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Why did he sell the rights to HBO before finishing the books? That was probably the dumbest move he could possibly make in his career. The books kept him rich on their own.

http://grrm.livejournal.com/465247.html
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>>64384613
Are you kidding? Someone offers you a huge amount of money for the rights to an adaptation for TV, which is currently stagnating? They could have changed their mind at any time. You want that money you need to take it.
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>>64384613
It's a mystery
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>>64384613
He stopped caring about the books years ago, I mean we all know he's at deaths door, why would he spend the last years of his life working on a dumb story about dragons and zombies?

Instead he's just been rolling in cash and telling his gullible fans "I'm totally gonna be finished year, for reals this time I swear!"
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He's 67 and fat as fuck. He's literally LITEARALLY one foot in the grave already.
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>>64384613
More like why did HBO buy the rights to this fat fuck's unfinished work when he's to smelly and lazy to finish them?

It's like Madhouse getting the rights to Hunter x Hunter when they knew Togashi was never going to fucking finish it.
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I think that he is genuinely surprised that he didn't kick the bucket yet. I am too. He doesn't plan on finishing the damn thing and probably didn't since 2010. Sadly the show turned out to be a "turn off your brain and look at the pretty colors between tits, asses, and guts" kind of show, so there's no hope for good closure.
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>>64384797
Togashi will have to deal with the yakuza if he doesn't release a chapter this year
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>>64384797
>More like why did HBO buy the rights to this fat fuck's unfinished work when he's to smelly and lazy to finish them?

Because they saw series potential and aren't too lazy to finish the story?

Paid off big time for them. He's the loser who has to watch someone else complete his life's work.
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>>64384613
He's old and can't be fucked with it.
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>>64384797
Hunter x Hunter prints money even without getting releases. That shit tops the sales chart for an entire year even if only one volume was released.
Guess what else does that?
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>>64384613
He did it in 2006. I bet not even the fat fuck thought he would be so lazy that he would realease only one more book in 10 fucking years.
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>>64384613

Only reason he hasn't finished the books yet is that he

>keeps gettng distracted by free holiday offers to Dubai.
>http://www.techtimes.com/articles/119958/20151228/george-r-r-martin-says-distractions-are-to-blame-for-next-game-of-thrones-book-not-being-completed.htm

Lazy fucker is a total sell out and doesn't care about the books. I'll put bets on that the writing will be worse than DnD's.
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>>64385147
I wonder what kind of sex they're offering him there that makes it so distracting.
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>>64384968
ah....you kids and your assumptions.

most people don't read. Most people however loves the little flicker box and the hand held gadgets. so years from now when all of us are either ancient or long since forgotten, people will probably have eye implants or eyes up display or minds eye displays by which to view Cersi being shagged by Jaime over their dead son's body.


A true creator wants to affect people long after He's gone to dust. Rejoice though because in time you youngin's will catch on to what's up, I guarantee you.
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>>64385356
What are you fucking waffling about you cretin.
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>>64385356
And the award for biggest faggot on /tv/ goes to you.
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>>64385398
All things will be explained to you in the fullness of time. usually after you've grown weary and achy and liver spots dot your body and in and around your eyebrows. hopefully it'll be before you turn to ash though because some of you are damn slower than shit down a slide.
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>>64384613
>tfw started reading the series 15 years ago
>it's now going to be spoiled by the shitty ass tv show
fuck george desu
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>>64385458
this old spongy fiver of mine hasn't had action ina while, care to suck on it? but if you do, i want you to play with the back of the glands because it itches sweetly sometimes. has these little spines on it, and when i try to scratch them it aches feels good all at once. maybe if you lolled my dick in your mouth like gum, ensuring to allow the back of the glands where those white spiny things are to be scrapped by your teeth every so often would be nice. and keep that up until i'm overcome by sensation and my heart ushers me into eternity---i'll pay you good money for the pleasure.
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>>64384613
Well now the books keep him richer even more
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>>64384613
The only next thing I want to read from him, is the words "The book's finished."
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>>64385469
Fuck off gran pa Torino
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>For that to happen, my publishers told me, they would need the completed manuscript before the end of October. That seemed very do-able to me... in May.

I mean it's not bad as I thought it would be. He might release it any time this year which is still good. Fuck those jews for skipping all those plots to race the books. They're probably doing the happy merchant face as we speak. Now everyone in the world is going to be forced to watch their shit.
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>>64385356

plz kill yourself.
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Martin should just give up and have books 6 and 7 be novelizations of the series.
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>>64385732
He thought he'll finish aDwD is 2006. His estimations aren't worth shit, a he proved in that very blog post. We are never getting Winds.
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It's become such a fucking joke at this point.

Why can't he just write the fucking books? It's not like he's being asked to run a marathon. He could knock out the rest of the series in 6 months if he just sat down and wrote instead of traveling everywhere to do interviews about what he's going to write
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>>64384613
Because television was always his preferred medium and now he has someone to finish the story for him since he wrote himself into a corner
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>>64384797
>More like why did HBO buy the rights to this fat fuck's unfinished work when he's to smelly and lazy to finish them?

What? HBO doesn't give two shits since the shows is printing money. It's the publishing houses that should care now that the show is spoiling shit for everyone.
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Because after the third book his readers figured out that jon is rhaegars son and since then he is trying to find another ending.
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>>64384813
How do you even get closure on something so sprawling?

The white walkers need to be resolved. The Lannister and Stark families need resolution. Someone has to be on the throne in a somewhat stable geopolitical situation (or the metaphoric throne completely destroyed, starting a new era).
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>>64385831
He explains why in the blogpost.
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>>64385147
>Lazy fucker is a total sell out

Dumbass. If you had made it and finally had a chance to live the good life, you'd really slave away at your work? Or would you take the chance to enjoy yourself?
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>>64385852
Whoa, who's the girl in that pic? She's really cute.
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>>64385972
We were clearly getting there. Tyrion/Iron born/Dany plots were all merging, as were the North/Stannis/Wall plots. Dorne/Aegon/Dany/KL were clearly being set up to clash too. It might take more than two books, and a cheap shortcut or two (white walkers/wild fire killed everyone there), but it's hardly impossible.
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>>64384797
Madhouse did a great job and maybe they even got new people interested in the series. Maybe Martin wanted the same.
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>>64386004
I wouldn't be able to enjoy shit if I knew that I failed thousands of people who loved my work, along with my publishers and editors.
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>>64385972
>>64385987
>>64385831

meanwhile in the same 10 years Brandon Sanderson has released pic related:

GRRM is such a hack fraud. You know what other author is going exactly the same way, Patrick Slothfuss.
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>showfags win
The bookfag tears will be delicious
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>>64386158
Jesus christ you're a dumbfuck. I hope you're just trolling.
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>>64385936

I doubt it, the amount of people who started reading the books after seeing the show is massive.
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>>64386158
Yeah but Brandon Sanderson's books are fucking awful, so a high output isn't really very impressive.
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>>64386158

yeah, but who cares since the King Killer Chronicles aren't that good. they are 98% filler and the lead character is a Marty Stu
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> I never thought the series could possibly catch up with the books

this is why grrm allowed hbo to film an unfinished series

he thought he had 9 seasons worth of material in the books that were published at the time including adwd. i remember when season 3 ended he said the next two books had 4 seasons worth of material.

basically he was delusional
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So, is the show gonna spoil the books for the fans? Jesus, what a clusterfuck!
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>>64386245
Really? I've enjoyed the 4 or so I read.

Elantris is one of my favorite books.
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Why would you care when the last two books were pure garbage. It's a good thing that hbo will finish the story
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>>64384613
has anyone told him he is not a fucking sea captain and dancing a hornpipe and doodly doodly doo carving lighthouses toot toot me hearty clam chowdah
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>>64386395
yes

season 6 is going to be one big spoil fest
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>>64386234
>>64385972
>>64385987
>>64385831
>>64386245

pic related what Jim Butcher wrote the last 11 or so years:


It doesn't matter how "shit" those books are, GRRM has literally NO EXCUSE to not have produced about 2000 pages of quality writing in the last 10 years.
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We may very well get Winds late this year, but for the first time I'm realizing Dream of Spring will never make it.
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>>64384613
>Why did he sell the rights to HBO before finishing the books
because they payed him to
>That was probably the dumbest move he could possibly make in his career.
He is a rich famous celebrity now, it worked out just fine for him
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>>64385356
>ah....you kids and your assumptions.
>most people don't read. Most people however loves the little flicker box and the hand held gadgets.

Could you patronize me some more, millennial
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>>64384944
I don't think you understand how important Dragon Quest is, anon
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>>64386463

literally who tho senpai desu
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>>64386395
Doubtful, they've changed things too much for it to be completely ruined for us.

Think of it as two different tellings of the same story.
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>>64385852
>Because television was always his preferred medium
> tfw no filmed Wild Cards

I did my business with him then when his narrative turned into "Dare you enter my magical realm" fetish bullshit and the other writers cringed off of the project
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>>64386463

He's already done 2000 pages with Dance and Feast in the last decade, not to mention the hundreds of pages of other junk he has done.
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>>64385831
He is a procrastinator, man. This is not something you change easily. I know how shit it can be because I'm in the same boat.

This is an accurate description I found while procrastinating
http://thoughtcatalog.com/david-cain/2013/02/procrastination-is-not-laziness/
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I've lost interest a long time ago.
His books stopped being engaging, and the story is a mess.
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>>64386474
winds is not going to come out this year

the rule with grrm is to take his expectations when he will finish and multiply it by 3. he said it would take him a few months, so with that and the 3 month delay for the publishers, we'll be getting it sometime early next year at the earliest
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>>64386158
I will never forgive him for what he did to wheel of time
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>>64386056
Quasimodo
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>>64386623
?
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>>64386158
>>64386463
If you read those books you'd now why.
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>>64386493
>Think of it as two different tellings of the same story.
Why not four, that worked out well right
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A quote from his blog post,

>Maybe. Yes and no. Look, I never thought the series could possibly catch up with the books, but it has. The show moved faster than I anticipated and I moved more slowly.

I can't believe he is this naive. From the moment season 1 debuted everyone knew that unless GRRM underwent a massive change in his writing style that this day would come.
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>Mago, Irri, Rakharo, Xaro Xhoan Daxos, Pyat Pree, Pyp, Grenn, Ser Barristan Selmy, Queen Selyse, Princess Shireen, Princess Myrcella, Mance Rayder, and King Stannis are all dead in the show
>Princess Myrcella ... King Stannis

Confirmed dead once again, stannisfags and worst Myrcella supporters on suicide watch
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>>64386004
This, also he's so close to dying he probably doesn't have to worry about money for the rest of his life.
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>>64386732
friendly reminder that he thought the adaptations of a feast for crows and a dance with dragons combined would make up 3-4 seasons

and because those books are shit it'd probably be cancelled before he ever had to release another book
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Are there any threads anymore on this fucking board that aren't posted by contrarian autists?
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>>64386883
bane threads
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>>64384716
wrong as fuck. He lives in a small home so the money doesn't go to his head.
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ultimately the only reason they decided to make a show based on unfinished material is due to the red wedding

if you watch any d&d interview from the first two seasons you'll immediately see they only care about the red wedding. they were so caught up in how 'shocking' it is that they didn't care how terrible the rest of the material was. they straight up say that their main goal was getting to the red wedding before the show got cancelled.
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>>64386351
Yeah I wonder if he didn't plan on them skipping all the flashback stuff, I know there is enough to do an entire flashback season, which I'm surprised they aren't doing.
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April 27, 2011 - Martin finally admits ADWD is done, his manuscript is at the editors

July 12, 2011 - ADWD is released

He made THE SAME EXACT POST five months before ADWD came out, so It'll be along shortly nerds
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>>64386813
>No mention of Sandor Clegane being dead on the show
GET HYPED
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>>64386943
to their credit thats the biggest climax in the story of what has been released so far in the books and they probably had faith in george since a dance with dragons hadnt been released yet
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>>64386988
adwd came out like right at the end of season 1
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>>64387037
yeah, so they signed the contract way before that
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>>64386951
Proof?
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>>64384613
>the dumbest move he could possibly make in his career

Because who wants to be an internationally renowned celebrity and near household name?
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>>64386978
>yfw winds of winter gets pushed back another 5 years as george reveals he's been working on the new interquel novel "a bowl of cleganes" for the past 6 years
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>tfw he dies before the books are finished and the show becomes canon
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>>64386666
The bells anon, the bells
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>>64386351
>basically he was delusional

No he just assumed the showrunners have dignity and shame.
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>>64387098
>yfw he dies and David and Dan are the ones hired to finish writing the books
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>>64387277
>or Elio and Linda
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>>64387096
I hope this is the case
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>>64387277
>yfw David and Dan star in a double penetration porn flick with Emelia Clark
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>>64387310
I would kill myself tbqhafwyf
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>>64387264
>thinking they'd actually take 9+ seasons on the first books to accommodate the fat man

do you know how tv and contracts work?
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>>64387277
>>64387310
>yfw our boy preston jacobs gets hired
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Because it was a large sum of money and George thought it would be good (which it has been, mostly), many other people approached him beforehand with similar offers
I can't wait until season 6 so the board can be flooded with good memes instead of cunts waxing lyrical about whether Poe Dameron is gay or not
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>>64387470
season 1 - great
seasons 2-4 - good
season 5 - absolute shit
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So let me get this straight. I paid my money to the fat fuck, I've been reading for well over ten years the books, and now I'm going to get the sixth one -which I've been waiting for since ADWD- ruined by that shitfest of a tv show?


t-thanks george
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Who else thinks this drawn out series has a better chance of being finish in book form than Berserk?
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That fat ass better get serious about the books, with the show set to end sometime in 2017/2018, people are gonna care less and less about him and he'll get fewer and fewer invitations to shit. A lot of the attention that he so desperately craves and so clearly loves, is gonna dry up.
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>>64386004
Stephen King was more successful by GRRM by a large margin and would shit out a book every month in his prime it seemed
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>>64387369
Cutting half the content and replacing it with retarded bullshit that goes nowhere is better right?

>actually defending the hacks
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>>64387685
cocaine's a hell of a drug
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>>64387630
it certainly does. Berserk is just too far away from the conclusion and one chapter every god knows when (he's back to irregular releases) is clearly not enough to probably even reach flowerstorm king, let alone a confrontation with griffith.
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He will die before finishing the series, you people know that, who would finish for him? Or it would be forever unfinished?
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>>64387630
Hard to say. The lifestyle of a mangaka is obviously a thousand times more stressful than that of a lazy writer who writes 2 books every decade, but GRRM is really fat and old... Either way it wouldn't surprise me if either of them died in the next 10 or so years.
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>>64387753
he said he doesn't want anyone to continue the books for him. According to that, the series should end with the show. In reality, it's pretty much a given the editors will give the books to someone else
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>>64386351
They had a lot more content than they used. The writers and showrunners cut out a fuck load of shit to streamline the show, for the worse in many regards. Just look at Robb Stark vs Tywin Lannister, the books go into great detail explaining what each army is doing, where they are, why they're doing it etc. In the show, everything was omitted because 'it's not important!'. They spent all of series 2 talking about how fucking overpowered the Lannisters were and how the Starks were guaranteed to win, and then they just completely gloss over it in series 3 and don't even attempt to explain why Robb hasn't just run in and fucked the Lannisters up. It was literally explained away by "oh he's probably fighting some other battle off screen".
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>he knows he's got terminal brain cancer
>he's literally just stretching this out so he can die before he finished his art
>he'll be memoralised eternally for having been cut off just as he was about to finish his life's singular achievement

Pretty crafty desu
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>>64387843
I really don't get what they were aiming for. Easy money in exchange for a somehow fleshed out adaptation? They could've had both. Jesus Christ.
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>>64387753
>Martin indicated he would not permit another writer to finish the book series.[43]
Another thing is GRRM has said he would make an eighth book if he felt it would be necessary
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>>64387928
I'll never stop reminding people who complain we'll never reach Dream of Spring that there could possibly be another book after that.


You know, just to crush their hopes for good.
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>>64386351
They do though. D&D just turned book 3 into two seasons and books 4 and 5 into one season (part of which is also in the 4th season).
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>>64387928
>>64387992
He just said that if either of the final two books ends up being 1500+ pages long he might split one of them up like affc and adwd, he never said that he'd actually write eight books
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>>64386920
It does though, only he spends it on other projects like his theater
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>>64385831
It is extremely obvious that he had the first part of the story well planned out from the beginning but never had a real plan for the second part.
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Lets be honest here, D&D cut way
too much shit


I'll dump some pretty old art for funs
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>>64387616
thats what you get when you read for entertainment, nerd
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>>64388078
it's their fanfiction anon! Let them do what they want with it you mean fuck.
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>>64387547
Absolutely this. Funny how Ned's death is the reason the show became so fiercely popular, but the lack of Ned is also the reason the show dipped in quality. No character has managed to fill his boots so far, Robb Stark was obviously supposed to do that but they fucked his character up so badly he ended up being one of the worst characters on the show.
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>>64387697
>thinking you can make a faithful but long as fuck adaptation of the books without losing the audience and costing a massive fortune

Please leave
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>>64384613

>obese and lazy
>sold out to jews

Literally the American™ Tolkien
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>mfw the fun I'll have spoiling bookfags

Going to just stick spoilers mid sentence in other unrelated threads just incase
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>>64388152
>mfw reading the books for the first time and getting to Ned's death

that was, honest to god, unexpected as shit. I used to think of him as the main character basically, I still wasn't in the mindset of the book not having a proper MC. It fucked me up real good.
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>>64384613
Are you retarded? He is exponentially richer and more famous because of HBO. His shitty book series has sold more copies since Game of Thrones than in the 15 years prior to that.
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>Bitching at a man to finish his book
>He doesn't owe any of you anything
Wish he wouldn't finish and tell you all to fuck off
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>tfw winter was coming
>tfw "Was it rape?"
>tfw Storytime with Old Nan
>tfw verts and reaction images everywhere
>tfw STANNIS DID NOT BREAK HIS VOWS
>tfw "Hi /tv/, this is Edward Starch"
>tfw you didn't know Dagmer's real identity
>tfw no chain
>tfw it fit
>tfw merlings were everywhere
>tfw CLEGANEBOWL was just one guy and he'd wish you merry CLEGANEBOWLs
>tfw frogfu was just one guy doing a countdown and he never got firsts
>tfw Rickon and Dickon become gay emperors of Essos
>tfw you were haeving problems
>tfw Mummy Dorne
>tfw "Friendly Reminder with Ros"
>tfw /TDQR/
>tfw "ALL HAIL KING JOFFREY THE WHORESLAYER!"
>tfw Talisa was a spy
>tfw Roose finally got loose
>tfw "Promise me, Ned"
>tfw "Was it rape?" Lannister Edition
>tfw Double Daggers

/got/, I dreamed I was old.
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>>64388251
Lose any weight this year George?
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>>64388251
Thats basically what he is doing
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It'll be out before the end of summer

the publishers only needed like two months for publication, which is insane.

I have a feeling they were editing translating, and writing all at the same time

all of a sudden we got reports of translators being told to set aside time

he's right on time for another July release
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>>64388278
I'm not ready for when /got/ will be allowed to exist anew. I'll enjoy this peaceful period while I can.
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>>64388251
he could retire if he wants, but he's the one saying he's going to finish it. so people expect him to do that.
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There's a couple things I can't remember from the tv show

How does bran get through the wall?

And is it ever shown that dragon glass doesn't kill wights but kills others?
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>>64388209
Yeah, and to credit the TV show they also pulled that shit off really well. I knew it was coming and it still blew me away. The highlight of both the books and the show, shame there are so few other decent characters to fall back on.
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>>64388184
At least Tolkien finished his shit and didn't have to see the travesty that the adaptation of his books were (basing this on Christopher Tolkien's own opinion and how well he knew his father)
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>>64388354

That's the point, anon.

Tolkien was an accomplished writer, a veteran, a family father and loving husband.
GRRM is the American version of that.
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>>64388350
George better not fuck up with Davos, Victarion and Jaime. I'm relying on them for then next book if we ever get it.

Also my secret dream is that he'd give more space to Loras' brother, Garlan. That man is bro as fuck and a legitimately interesting character. But of course he's never going to do that, can't wait for more Daenerys chapters.
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>>64388309
>peaceful period
>/tv/ has been a star wars clusterfuck for weeks now
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>>64388354

>and didn't have to see the travesty that the adaptation of his books were

Hello Christopher.
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>>64388422
now imagine that with /got/ present. It's as peaceful as it gets
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>>64388338
Sam finds a secret passage and tells Bran about it when he encounters him at the Nightfort.
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>>64388410


>tv writer, draft dodger, no tbqhfam except some ghoul
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>>64388078

More fan art please, someone post the real throne.
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>>64385831
The saddest thing is that hes admitteed theorists[some] have guessed how it all plays out. Seems like hes just trying to flip the script at this point and that explains the delay.
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>>64388454

>Sam finds a secret passage

Are you stupid? Coldhands takes him there. He tells him everything. Sam didn't find shit; he and Gilly would've been dead if Coldhands hadn't saved them.
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>>64388426
You're not doing it right when I literally said "basing this on Christopher Tolkien's own opinion"
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>>64384659

he was offered more money by hollywood studios for the rights for years and years but always said no because they wanted to "condense" the books into 2 hour flicks.
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>>64388487
he even talked about an ebig plot twist he thought up on the spot that would completely turn the series around, something that would set it apart from the show completely and that strangely enough fits with everything (or so he says)

he's clearly trying to fuck theorists in the butt
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>>64388492
he asked from the tv show, coldhands doesn't exist in there
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The reason he can't finish is because he doesn't know what he's doing. The series was only supposed to be 3 books and that is painfully obvious because after A Storm of Swords the story turns into a clusterfuck. You could tell he just kept expanding on more and more material like the Ironborn and Dorne because he probably thought, "oh shit, forgot about these guys, have to include them somehow". Everything about Essos is a gongshow, really outside of The Wall and R+L=J I bet he can't figure out where he's going with everything and he's just making it up as he goes along. I mean, he needs others to refresh him on his own fucking plot and characters ffs. When your fans know more about your own series than you do at this point, it's clear you've lost control or you don't care anymore.
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>>64387050

they most assuredly read the manuscript before they signed the contract. authors turn in their books about 18-24 months before publication. especially mainstream books like these that get their own advertising campaign.
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>>64388484

OK

Don't deny the fact D&D could've really done a good job if they commited, like HBO and George did

they biffed
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>>64388492
Why don't you read the post I was responding to jackass
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>>64387339

they ain't even black senpai!
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>>64384613
he knew he'd be dead before finishing them
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I don't like one bit how the fact they're cutting stuff from the show is already implicitly telling us those things won't matter at all in the long run for the end of the series. See Coldhands, Aegon (assuming he's still cut?) etc.
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>>64388593

It's always amazed me how popular these books are when so many of the individual stories are generic and dull.
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>>64388354
>Tolkien
>finished his shit
GRRM's procrastination is nothing, absolutely NOTHING in comparison to what Tolkien did with the Silmarillion. That one took him almost 25 years, and at the end he didn't even want to complete it anymore and was just evading the work by answering fan mail all day 'erry day
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>>64388603
>authors turn in their books about 18-24 months before publication
how many asses did you have to try before you found the one you pulled this one out of?
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>>64388152
losing Joff and Tywin was worse for the show imo
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Can't wait for all the bookfags who had autistic breakdowns every time the TV series didn't perfectly match the books are forced to watch the show for the story progression they've been waiting YEARS for that fat fuck to get to.
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>>64388749

seriously, I just mentioned the turnaround on ADWD was like two months
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>>64387098
>yfw the show is already canon
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>>64388799

ANYONE CAN DIE EBIN XD GAYME OF TROONES

I hate characters deaths so much. They're such a cheap way of getting emotion out of the reader.

I can understand it if it comes at the end, but the way Martin does it, you're just left with a less interesting story.

Reading AFfC and ADwD feels vacant as fuck, and not just because the characters are separated.
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>>64386581
The next deadline will be "beat Season 7." He might make it but probably not
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>>64388725

Tolkien finished his magnum opus and several other works on his works.
And he never told his fans that he would certainly publish the Silmarillion next year.
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>>64388801
I assume many people are just not going to watch the tv show and try to keep away from spoilers until the book comes out, if it ever does.

What you say also doesn't make much sense because it's true some things are going to get ruined in advance by the show but the story is taking a very different course from the books, so any bookfag who wanted to follow the story would stick to the books since the tv series does not progress along the same path.
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>>64388830
and they worked on the show for like 4 years before it even aired
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>>64387277
>>64387310
>>64387420

No one will finish the books. Martin ordered it to be so, and he also ordered all his notes to be burned in case he does die before it's finished.

Read the blog more often, boys.

I guess he wants a reasonfor us to not wish him dead.
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>>64387420
Mighty Preston is based.
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>>64388930

yea well, they suck, and had to basically shoot two pilots
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He started writing the series in 1991.

>1991

http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/1991.html
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>>64384613
If I had autists like you guys for an audience, I'd say fuck it too and live large on hookers and blow and not give a fuck after getting the cash.
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make way for the GOAT sister fucker of Westeros
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>>64389006
anon what exactly do you think he does instead of writing?
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>>64388993

>the series is old as me
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>>64388945
What a selfish fat fuck.

Robert Jordan had the decency to ensure his work was finished in the result of his death. Yet this morbidly obese faggot would rather take it to his grave.
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>>64388982
that still doesnt make a dance with dragons anything more than a 3/10 book
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>>64389037

He travels mostly, reads books, watches sports, watches movies, writes on his blogs, and writes other books.
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>>64388516
Imagine going to see The Game of Thrones in the cinema and having the main character have his son crippled, then nearly killed by an assassin, then finding out about royal incest before being killed, all in two hours and with most of the non-Stark cast being removed because of time problems.

Then the second movie has a new main character, the son who's out for revenge and who just has a bunch of cool medieval battles.

It'd be the Godfather and Godfather II all over again.
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>>64388945
we'll see about that stupid goy
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>>64388945
>implying he hasn't since changed his opinion since D&D got him those emmys
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>tfw r/asoiaf is in full denial mode and still thinks GRRM is ever going to finish these books

He's almost 70, obese, and writes like a snail. I wish I was as adept at deluding myself as Redditors.
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>>64389049

I know, dude, I know. And then you go to his blog and all you see is these sycophants posting shit like "TAKE YOUR TIME GEORGIE!!!" or "People are too stupid, you go man. Live your life."

It makes me so mad.
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>>64389050
Yeah read more books
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>>64389107
nice ad hominem, i suggest you do the same if trite like adwd gets you excited
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>>64385831
i mean he wrote clash of kings and storm of sword in 4 years. he's a lazy faggot
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>>64388993
>>64384613
>>64384663
>>64388867
>>64388945
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>>64388209

I actually remember where I was when I was reading that. (And when Bran was pushed out the window) Can't think of any other book that did that for me. I guess it will be just a great unfinished series at this point.With a cheap knock throw together by hacks to give us the gist of what happens.
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>>64388801
This, to be honest
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>>64389050

let's be fair it was 5/10

AFFC was 3/10
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>>64389182
4 good chapters does not make up for 60 chaptes of nothing and 10 chapters of daario cocklusting
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>>64389182

Tbh senpai if I could take Jaime's story from 3 and 4 and make them into a single book it'd be one of my favorite books ever.

Goddamn Jaime's arc is amazing.
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>>64385831
Dude is obviously not a writer at heart. Writing makes him anxious and so he avoids it, and once he's written something he decides to rewrite it.
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>>64384968
Only the showrunners are currently fucking it up majorly.

And TV watchers are too dumbass to grasp beyond the classic good vs. evil so they only care about Dany and Jon
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Post yfw this book series was made into a mega show beloved by millions, mostly normies, while the Wheel of Time will never get a good adaptation and will only be remembered by turbo nerds
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>>64389251
which 4?
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>>64387764
miura is a faggot who's just as much as a lazy faggot as grrm
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>>64388993

Dat filename.
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>>64389251


for you
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>>64389276
>WoT not ruined by having to cater to normies and TV execs
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>>64389277
theon
jaime
jon
epilogue
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>>64384613
>I worked on the book a couple of days ago, revising a Theon chapter and adding some new material

Friendly reminder that there's still people who believe Theon is dead.
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>>64389276

>tfw I've read nearly every fantasy series but haven't read wheel of time

I'm partly afraid of being disappointed, partly saving it for my dying years, and partly terrified of the final books because Sanderson is one of the worst writers I've ever read.

Should I just do it?
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>>64389025

Aside from being hot there is a reason he fucked his sisters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aoFCZGr3LY&list=PLCsx_OFEYH6tUn_-7b5bWcH37YSlnZsr4
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>>64386813
> no mention of Jojen
I knew it was a long shot but too bad. Why'd he have to die off-page?
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>>64387685
>tfw King's wife tried to make him go sober in his prime so he'd go to the bathroom and chug mouthwash to get fucked up
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>>64389320
>that epilogue

goddamn. To think I was actually hyped to see what it would come up in the next book.

also I love how D&D decided not to stick to it considering it was one of the best parts of the books. Truly makes you wonder.

>>64389323
what the fuck? He reaches Stannis' army and is clearly seen to be alive. Why would anyone think he's dead?
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>>64389320

>no Davos

> no Melisandre

>no Barry stan

see, ya fucked up already pham
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>>64389284

Except nobody cares since Berserk has sucked ass ever since chapter 100 or so. Everything past Griffith's transformation is absolute shit, except maybe that scene where he meets Guts at the graveyard, along with his princess flight.

And the pirate arc... Well, safe to say I won't touch Berserk ever again.

>>64389320

Is this a bad joke? Jon was pretty dull. Jaime was too, almost nothing happened compared to his book 4 chapters.

The only really terrible ones were Daenerys.
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>>64386813
Like we care about show cannon
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Reminder that we will never get this based speech in the show because D&D fucked it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVJa4Fl34l4
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notice how he never confirmed jon being dead
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>>64389406

the quentyn chapters were pretty unbearable lets be honest
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>>64389284
The difference is that Japan doesn't give a fuck about berserk anymore.
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Can anyone tell me where the fuck I'm supposed to read all the Winds of Winter chapters?

My copy of Dance doesn't have shit after the epilogue.
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>>64389424
this is a serious /tv/ and film discussion only board

where do you think you are
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>>64386326
I like them :(
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>>64389453

Thanks for reminding me of all the "QUENTYN IS ALIVE!" spergs.
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>>64389473

the internet - do you have it?
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>>64389276
>>64389336

i found it to be a fucking mess desu

so disjointed. at times it feels like youre reading some lunatic's stream of consciousness rabbling about this fantasy setting he invented and he expects you to be familiar with the geography, major historical figures, current geo political climate and other esoteric shit about the setting all along. it was like the dark tower but with shit structure and pacing.

speaking of other things that would be/are going to be wrecked by tv adaptations, the dark tower is going to be fucking rubbish
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>>64389453

Really? I liked them. But I guess only because I saw the finale coming and I liked the Tattered Prince.
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>>64389276
I want Elric
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>>64389284
At least this has a chance of being finished, Berserk will never be finished and the only way I could see someone wrapping up Miuras clusterfuck posthumously and quickly is asspull fairies teleporting Guts to Griffith and they fight and die
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>>64389535
>that bear hulk
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>>64386463
please don't compare shit authors to grrm. jim butcher makes his books way wordier than they need be, they always have a new baddie and a new deus ex machina. shit tier writing.
asoiaf, on the other hand, is a joy to read and re read. george takes his time, but the results are great. the more one reads them the better they get.
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>Stannis is dead on the show

confirmed
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>>64389521

Why? This is a serious question. I don't even hate you for it, although The Name of the Wind is the worst book I've ever read.

>there is literally no story
>cliffhanger ending
>mary sue
>annoying mary sue*
>some whore love interest and bdsm implications
>vegetarian dragon
>harry potter inspired school

Just what about it did you like?
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>>64389548

anything that has to do with the free companies I find interesting af

but those chapters were worse than Dany's pham
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>>64388725
Tolkien wrote much, much more than just The Silmarillion which itself went through at least three rewrites. You seem to forget The Silm isn't just the 300 page book published a few years after his death, it's 10+ volumes worth of unfinished material, including tens of legends within legends and 3+ invented languages. He also worked very little on it during the years he wrote The Lord of the Rings and when he had finished it no one wanted to publish it (his dream was to get it published together with TLOTR), so he had to settle on the latter. And since you seem to have read his Letters, you'd remember the first half is correspondence with his publisher about The Hobbit and then his son who was fighting in WW2 about writing TLOTR and most of the second half is answering questions about The Lord from readers and explaining stuff.

It's true that it took him a lot to start work on TLOTR though.
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>>64389561
don't forget he'll also need to wrap up the whole 'they still have a bejelit' plotline. No way Berserk is ever going to be finished
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>>64389548
>>64389453

I think the Quentyn stuff is the most redundant out of everything Gurm has done so far.

Like, what did it add? We got a tiny bit of info on some mercs, and we got to see what Volantis looked like.

All of that could have been done via other characters, it seems totally pointless. He's literally only there for the "Sun rises in the west and sets in the east" part of the prophecy.
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>>64389580
only the spergiest of spergs needed this confirmation
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>>64389336

DO IIIIIIIIIIIT! I was impressed by the series actually. Just one character or premise in the series could fill an average high fantasy story, WoT is packed with them. And Sanderson did his best to copy Jordan's writing style so the change was barely noticeable.
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>>64386679
>Umineko had an ending

ha, good one

all I saw was a massive clusterfuck centered around a trap and a mentally ill girl who thought she controlled witches
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>>64389530
IT WAS A SCREAM OF ECSTACY!
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>>64389545

The Dark Tower is already trash, anon.
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>>64389406
>every adaptation gets up to the Eclipse then stops
>they're doing it again
>the quality gets worse every time they adapt it
>the writers don't want to cover the troll cave rapes and demonic horse rape

Being Beserk is suffering.
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>>64389276
WoT is an unredeemable pile of shit to begin with
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>>64389548
>>64389616

>imagine if quentyn was just daenerys
>daenerys tries to tame her dragons but gets burned to a crisp
>the dragons go loose to join roose
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>>64389616
I think Quentyn was mostly used to show us just how much of a crafty motherfucker Doran is. I need a good reread of the series though.

Speaking of which, I can only hope he'll decide to give us some Doran badass moments.

>She narrowed her eyes. "What is our heart’s desire?" "Vengeance." His voice was soft, as if he were afraid that someone might be listening. "Justice." Prince Doran pressed the onyx dragon into her palm with his swollen, gouty fingers, and whispered, "Fire and blood."
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>>64389453
Not unbearable (Thats Daenerys chapters). Just kinda redundant
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>>64389697
Dany's dragons ARE going to turn on her, she's been built up as this fire immune, dragon taming walking God so much that GRRM will have her about to win then become dragon shit in a huge twist. It's the only way I see her story coming to an end now that she's been exposed as a shit ruler and irrational idiot in the novels/TV show.
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>>64385298
YOU JUST KNOW
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>>64389612
Not him but I've only read the hobbit and lotr, I've always been confused by all the other books, what is narrative and what isn't etc.
What should I get? It doesen't help that everything has been published differently in each country, so I'm specifically asking about english editions
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>Stannis confirmed dead
Since the show is Canon now, i'm pretty pissed about this. Best actor and character gets killed off and in a horrid way by stronk woman brienne.
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>>64389732
>I think Quentyn was mostly used to show us just how much of a crafty motherfucker Doran is. I need a good reread of the series though.

Sure, but did we REALLY need POV chapters for it? I mean he could have just showed up at Mereen.

George probably spent months writing and thinking up those chapters, that just really added nothing to the narrative
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Why not just throw a script at some ghostwriters and laugh at his retarded fanbase?
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>>64389821

Which HacknHack will change. Showing Dany as anything less than a Mary Sue will upset the tumblrinas too much. At least that's something that's not GRRM's fault.
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>>64389849
I had a hint his story was going to somehow merge with Tyrion or at least have an influence over it, that's why I think they showed us all that mercenary shit. I wouldn't bet on it though, the sooner I reread it the sooner I can verify if Quentyn's chapters really are pointless
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>>64389783

the boring Dany chapters led to her riding a fucking dragon

Quentyn just got cucked by Dany, pretty meris, the tattered prince, rhaegal, viserion, and life
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>>64389821
>>64389821
By god I hope those dragons all turn to Aegon's side and we get Aegon the Conqueror reborn.

Aegon the Reborn or Aegon the Restorer/Resurrector (by placing the Targaryens back on the throne) could be good names
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>>64389913

and Euron
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>>64389913
>quentyn

literally Filler: The Character
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>>64389843
The way they completely destroyed his character before killing him off will also leave a sour taste.
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>>64389436
> surely the absence of proof is proof of absence

I mean, you're probably right here but be careful with that
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>>64389932

That would be fucking glorious anon. But it probably won't happen because Aegon isn't a part of the show, and they are following the books, at least loosely. In any case I doubt they'd refuse to cover the guy that ends up sitting on the Iron Throne.

And there's also Victarion's horn.
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>>64388993
>It only took Tolkien 12 years to write Lord of the Rings.
Martin is a lazy hack.
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>>64389821
she rarely ruled on her own, she had a group of advisors making all kinds of decisions

lets wait and see what happens when she goes rogue
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>>64389025
is there a more alpha character than the Conqueror
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>>64389990
I still think there's an outside chance

>Aegon at least shares the throne at the end
>D&D don't want to add a new character + arc
>They decide to merge him with Dany
>Merged JonCon with Jorah already
>Books end with Aegon/Dany on throne, show ends with just Dany on the throne

I don't think a character not being in the show means they're dead/useless, just that somebody else has their storyline
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>>64389843
The show is losing its best actors.

First Charles Dance, then Stephen Dillane

Soon only the godawful Emilia Clarke and Kit Harrington will be left
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>>64389932
The dragons will be on no one's side, they eat Dany just as she's about to climb the throne, take on the white walkers, they kill each other in a final battle as some of the remaining Black Watch/Stannis men/other armies fight to the death with the white walkers/dragons at the same time.
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>>64390024
No
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>THE WINDS OF WINTER is not finished.
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>>64387685
Spooky...how could one author publish work that quickly?
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>>64390033
At least Kit has improved, Alfie Allen has become great too
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>>64389903
Come on now.
I hate Dany as much as the next guy but I wouldn't go as far as calling her a Mary Sue.

At least in the last season she was shown to be pretty incompetent and clueless.
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>>64390012
she ignored each and every meaningful advice she was given, sure she had counsellors and shit but it's not like she listened to them when it mattered.

>now that we can we should go to westeros m'lady, that's what we came here for, you have at least two cities ready to fuck you in the ass and you have no meaningful way to keep the town
>B-BUT MUH CHILDREN

and that was the beginning of the end.
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>>64390070
Alfie Allen is fucking epic.

Kit is a good swordsman, he is good in the action scenes

Emilia Clarke is actually getting worse
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>>64390011

You realize LotR is basically around the length of a single ASoIaF book right? Maybe just a little over that.

Also, LotR was way easier to write because it's a simple story. I'd imagine most of the work was done on worldbuilding by Tolkien.

I'm not defending Martin, because he created this clusterfuck, but it most certainly IS a nightmare to write in at this point, that I don't doubt.
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>>64390024
of course there is my nigga.
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>>64386487
I don't get why japs love DQ so much

I like it but not "skip work/school to play the new one" like it
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>>64390055

Maybe because all Stephen King books are utter shit? He might be one of the worst authors alive.
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>>64390033

nikolaj coster, jerome flynn, iain glenn and peter dinklage are still in tho
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>>64390024
they need to do a season mini-series on aegon

amber heard as rhaenys
margo robbie as visenya
owen wilson as aegon
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>>64390123
>BTFO by swamp manlet
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>>64390094
Jon is propably worse when it comes to Mary Sue-factor
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>>64390123
superor Dayne coming through
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>>64390171
don't talk shit about Howland man. He's the only way us bookfags will be able to hear something again about the tower of joy.
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>>64390173
In the show maybe, in the books at least Jon was about to break his vows and bring the Nights Watch into a damn war
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>>64390186
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>>64390055
King was/probably still is a massive drug addict while in his prime. He pumped them out so fast because he was on every drug under the sun all day long every day.

Tfw he admits he doesn't even recall writing most of his most famous novels because he was in a drug haze
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>>64390171
Swamp manlet who knows hax bog magic
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>>64390149
> Jerome Flynn
Is he the guy that plays Bronn? Not a bad actor but a shitty meme character who adds nothing to the story.
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>>64390194
>mfw thinking about ToJ scene in S6
How bad can they fuck it up?
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>>64390186
>mfw for some weird reason I always imagined Darkstar like he-man just with different hair color

I swear reading his parts with that in mind was fucking hilarious
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>>64390186
If Gurm spends 2-3 chapters with Balon Swann or Hotah or whoever the fuck is chasing him then i'm so fucking done.

Leave Darkstar to die offscreen
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>>64390149
>iain glenn

His character will die soon

>jerome flynn

His character has bussiness being there anymore

>nikolaj coster

Jaime is just painfully underused
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>>64390173
Remind me what Barristan was doing during this scene in the show? Was he already let go?

>>64390186
Why do you like Darkstar so much?
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>>64386158
The two stormlight books are the only actual good books on that list so that isnt saying much
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>>64390238
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>>64390232
Or in the show just stabs him in the back, kek
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>>64390235

yeah thats the one

why is he a meme character?
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>>64390186

Why do people like this guy so much? Am I missing something?
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>>64390249
poor Balon. I legitimately like the guy. Jaime even admits he's the only one aside from Loras and him worthy of being part of the kingsguard, and says his abilities with a bow are unmatched.

based Balon.
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>>64390270
Yep, he was already gone
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>>64390270
Why do I love Darkstar so much? It's pretty simple when I think about it. Darkstar isn't just the best character in the series, he might just be the greatest character of all time. Just imaging him riding through the sands of Dorne, the wind in his hair, his mighty steed below him. As he rides through the red mountains, the ladies swoon at his very scent. They know how he smells, the essence of his smell is sold in Planky Town under the the name of "Greenblood Orgasm." The very nature of Darkstar is mystery. could he be playing a deeper game than even his creator realizes? The answer is yes, he has transcended such boundaries as the written world, and has free will to do whatever he sees fit. However, Darkstar is filled with such guile, such arcane craft that he does not even use these powers. Why, you might ask? You will never know, for the mind of the Darkstar is not one that is easily penetrated. Darkstar is such a force of nature in his realm that nothing can truly touch him, the only thing keeping him bound to the page at all is his will to exist within the preordained boundaries of his world. Darkstar is not only beyond the comprehension of us, he exists within a plane of true focus and beauty. Observe his playful smile, his gorgeous and rippling biceps, his gallant nose, and most importantly, his eyes. His eyes, like pools of saffron, provide the only glimpse into the true machinations of Darkstar. Do not stare into them. Many good men have gone mad in the attempt. Darkstar is not just a character, a formless collection of words and images, he is himself is the binding that holds the saga together. Without Darkstar, the entire series, the entire world of Westeros as we know it crumbles. The Trident would stop flowing without Darkstar, the Reach would become a desolate crater, and the Wall would melt without his frosty gaze.
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>>64390237
you don't wanna know.
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anyone else think the show is going to end up being closer to GRRM's original planned ending, now that he has admitted to coming up with new things and changing the books as he goes?

So even if he finishes the book the show will be closer to his original vision, without all the nonsense and twists for twists sake. I imagine ADOS will be when he really starts going off the rails to make it different from the show.
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>>64390308
because the average age of /got/ posters is less that 14 and they will pretend it was a meme when you call them out but we all know they have posters of him hanging above their beds
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>>64384613
>hundreds of pages

268
6
8

So instead of writing thousands of words for TWoW, he decided to write thousands of words on his blog?
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>>64390370
I don't even want to think about all the time it went into some of his pointless blogposts that could've been spent on the actual book.
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>>64390303
He was always comic relief, which was fine, but last season he was used in the worst storyline of the series and contributed nothing to the story.
He has shitty one-liners and is forced to interact with the sand memes. The worst line of the show, bad pussy, was directed at him, so he's kinda guilty by association.

I have hope of him gaining a little depth again next season, maybe he and Jamie will go to the riverlands together?
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>>64390115
>Emilia keeps getting fatter and fatter
>they make her wear flowing dresses and sit down with her hands over her gut for most scenes to hide it
>she just keeps expanding
>soon they'll have to hire a guy to hold her down and shove DNP in her mouth for four weeks
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>>64390370

FUCK YOU SHITLORD! THE HUGO AWARDS ARE IMPORTANT AND ARE BEING ATTACKED! AND IF GRRM DOESN'T TALK ABOUT FOOTBALL WHO WILL!?!?!?
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>>64390361

im the leaked notes from way in the beginning, GRRM wanted Tyrion to get cucked by Arya

look it up I'm not even pham
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>>64390330
Kek, I wish they had included him on the show. Can you imagine.

Where'd this originate anyhow?
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>>64386920
Not only does he have a 2nd larger house, he has a theatre he watches movies in too.

He watches a movie a day.

More than /tv/.
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>>64390402
jaime is pretty much confirmed for going to the riverlands but not much word on bronn. it would make sense though. theres also talk of at least one of the sand snakes going to kings landing
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>>64390402
>bad pussy

holy fuck how did I even forget about it. Truly top notch writing, just like when we see Dany taking a shit but somehow worse.
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>>64390430
I dont mean his stupid original plan, I just mean his plan as of the show passing him.
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>>64390466

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sggmx8vysoc
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>>64390402
>>64390402
>maybe he and Jamie will go to the riverlands together?

hopefully. the adventures of jamie and bronn would be pretty excellent right now. much other story branches in the show have burned out for me now
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>>64390466
>her cunt became the world

its only bad when D&D do it
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>Based Radmure is returning
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>>64390490
>the guys who wrote this are the same guys who won at least an emmy for the writing

I just can't.
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>>64390490
Jesus fucking kek I couldn't believe my fucking eyes when I fucking saw this.
Like what the fuck?
Why is she attracted to somebod who could be her dad?
And more importantly how the hell does she infer that he "wants a good girl"? Does she know about Lollis (who he was bored with anyways)?

Requesting that pic of /tv/ being angry sandniggers hating the Sand Sneks and then suddenly loving them after she showed her tits please.
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>>64389336

Do it. It lags like a motherfucker from book 7-12 though..
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>>64390237
From having seen footage some dude shot of it.

Dayne goes down by getting stabbed in the back by Reed

knives too op, please nerf
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>>64390573

wut
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>>64390285
Knives carry great power anon.

Karl tanner knew it, the Harpies knew it, Stannis knew it, and Reed knows it too.
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>>64390657
>Arthur Dayne
>killed by a frog-man

anon pls
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It's OK, we got great writers to fill in for GRRM on Game of Thrones!
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>>64390705
you forgot the one who fights pretty good for a girl
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>>64390532
Because Gurm has the proper magical realmy neckbeard vibe
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>>64390567

Season 5 got more Emmys than any other season, we should respect that! Right?
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>>64390708
EVIAN
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>>64390490
Btw, was that supposed to be the sweet,innocent-looking Tienne?
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>>64390820
y-yeah right...
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>>64386158
>>64386463
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>>64390774

that he does lol
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>>64390820
you need a good tv show but you want da bad drama
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>>64388251
everything he has he has his fans to thank for. how many of them do you think would've started reading his books had they known they would never be finished? would've spread the word about them? this fat fuck has made a fortune pretending to be writing a series he never had any intention of finishing.
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>>64390851

?

The first trilogy is pretty mediocre outside of the second book. The whole leper thing was inspired, and the rape scene was surprising, but everything past the first trilogy is into the trash it goes tier. The fourth book is laughably bad.
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>>64390874
He is a true fa/tg/uy
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>>64390453
I know Nimeria was seen on set, but was there any spotting of bad possy on set this year?
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>>64390024
you do realize aegon has been revealed to be a betalord who gets repeatedly cucked by his own sister in The World of Ice and Fire by authors Linda and Elio right?
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Im fucking angry at D&D for their creative choices

like did they really think that Aegon fucking Targaryen coming back to invade westeros with a golden company of 10,000 wouldn't be an interesting plot point

and you know they didn't cast a jon con/aegon
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>>64390148
>>64390227

I was implying that after his successes, he used ghost writers to pump out books faster
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>>64391430
its a tv show, its a different medium

you cant have infinite characters. people are already invested in the core characters and he isnt even a targaryen
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>>64391380

yeeeaaaa go to bed Elio you cuck
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>>64386559
>http://thoughtcatalog.com/david-cain/2013/02/procrastination-is-not-laziness/
oh my gosh this is me!

THIS IS ME.......!
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