They keep killing /who/ edition.
Last one to die on us: >>64282879
>They keep killing /who/ edition.
I would who could be behind this?
/who/ is the only reason I come to this shitty website anymore.
It's super comfy and great fun after a series of dullness.
I advise you to watch it while you are drunk. Moffat himself must have been drunk whilst writing some parts of the script.
>"[The Doctor] was right to question his morality - which is fine, because that means, in the next series, he'll be a combination of those two different elements: the more questioning Doctor, and the warmer Doctor. It's constantly developing."
It's in the top three of moffat's christmas specials. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I enjoyed it despite the "cuckolding" subtext. It was fun and capaldi was great. Kingston was very tolerable, and it might be her best appearance yet in DW
Well...ok. I was being a tad facetious there anyway. Best benchmark I could come up with.
I'm with you on the first two. Snowmen didn't do much for me aside from Clara being in a corseted top.
> BBC America Doctor Who marathon for New Years Eve
> pretty much all Tennant episodes
> just the one Matt Smith episode
> the one where he dies
> which only airs at midnight
> then right back to Tennant
Matt Smith suicide when?
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!
Go back to mondas, put socks on their heads and give them back their accordions with the closest approximation to their original voices technology will allow.
>Big Finish gets War Doctor
>Big Finish gets 10/Donna
>Big Finish might be the first to competently write River Song and pairs her with the best doctor
Is there any reason to watch the tv show at this point?
Put the 'men' back into them. The more you remind the audience that they start as people, the more their inhumanity rings out as weird and unsettling. This goes for design, story and characterisation.
And since they're meant to be a dark mirror of humanity, find something to mirror with each story. Moff was onto something with the afterlife/shambling corpses idea but there's limitless potential. I like the thought of class war Cybermen personally.
>did a version of it for Nightmare in Silver before Moffat decided on the voice we have now.
The "new" voice isn't awful, it's an improvement on the previous era's voice. It sounds pretty good in lego dimensions. A little "deep" though.
The only good episodes in the last four seasons were Day of the Doctor, Time Heist, and Heaven Sent. The show's writing turned to shit. I didn't think there could ever be as bad a Mary Sue as River, but along comes Clara. She's stolen every inch of spotlight for years and Moffat didn't even have the balls to kill her off for real because he's clearly in love with her. Then there's Missy, the single most grating villain since fucking Sil. How does the show have better scripts again? Is it the hamfisted highlighting of lesbians and gender swapping? The complete lack of any lasting consequences for anything? The cringey flirting? The female characters who are all basically remixes of Irene Addler, because Moffat only knows how to write one kind of woman? Fill me in here.
At the end of the day, BF is not going to be as passionate and radical as it was back when it was the forefront of material for an unjustly cancelled show. You still get great stuff whenever a writer decides to push themselves for the hell of it (the CCs were wonderful for fostering this), but as a whole it's not a franchise that feels the need to be cutting edge and crazy in the way the best runs of nuwho try to. I liked back when they did insane huge arcs with McCoy but my god did those last few Hector stories blow.
I'm excited for what Dorney and maybe Fitton do with Hurt, and I've already bought the river box after the good reviews, but I'm very cautious about what could end up being a lame attempt to 'authentically' reproduce the Donna era.
The last few Hector stories weren't awful, but the amnesia got a little old especially after seeing 8 lose his memory so many times. They could have ended Hector's story after Gods and Monsters and I'd have been happy. Ace is still fucking great though.
At this point I trust BF more than BBC, even though they've been feeling sort of "safe" lately. I'd love to see them go back to doing really out there stories like divergent universe or Jubilee.
Husbands of River song was one of the worst episodes of NuWho. It's barely saved from being the absolute bottom of the barrel because it literally can't get any worse than Fear Her or the S8 episode with the fucking trees.
>The only good episodes in the last four seasons were Day of the Doctor, Time Heist, and Heaven Sent
>No The Snowman
>No Bells of St.John
>No Name of the Doctor
>No Time of the Doctor
>No The Caretaker
>No Mummy on the Orient Express
>No Dark Water
>No Under the Lake/Before the flood
>No Zygon Inversion
>No Husbands of River Song
Shearman return soon.
They'll never do another Divergent style thing though, that's a case of once bitten twice shy (even though its problems were more in execution than premise).
Anyone itching for a new Shearman play should check out Punchline, the GOAT unlicensed audio he did with Sylvester McCoy before Big Finish started.
>Husbands of River song was one of the worst episodes of NuWho.
That seems a bit hyperbolic, but I'll bite. What was your problem with it specifically? To me it was fun romp that was pretty inconsequential aside from the sonic screwdriver loose end. Just
It's a real shame. Divergent Universe had some fantastic episodes and 8/Charlie/C'Rizz had a great dynamic. One of the best Tardis teams.
I feel like 7 has gotten most of the better audios lately. It was nice to see 6 wrapping up Peri's loose ends, even if Widow's Assassin got a little weird. Dark Eyes was consistently good, even if DE4 was weaker than the others.
>Yes, plenty of things in the future, and at least one of them will be of interest to Doctor Who fans. I'm just plugging away at my stuff and hoping to do a Doctor Who again someday.
HARNESS ISN'T COMING NEXT YEAR
Moffat confirmed there's an episode set in ancient times and this thing got out sometime earlier this month, before he confirmed:
>Rush Hour by Steven Moffat
>Twenty Leagues In the Sky by Sarah Dollard
>Welcome to Telos by Mark Gatiss
>The Amphora of Time by Jamie Mathieson
>Speed Demon by Debbie Moon
>In Which We Meet The Doctor by Steven Moffat
>She's stolen every inch of spotlight for years
she's one of the main characters, she kind of has to be in the spotlight. I think the trouble with Doctor Who is that there are only two main characters, so if you dislike only a single character you are already annoyed with half the cast. Other shows don't suffer from this, there's always somebody else to overshadow them.
That's why a 4 people TARDIS team would be GOAT.
It would be nice to have more than one companion at a time. Why can't we have a whole crew like in the fifth doctor era?
Amy/Rory don't count. Rory was basically her accessory. Just a purse that looked good in armor.
You seem to have a thing for
beards. You don't happen to trip in another general, posting another actor/character with a beard do you?
what, steven moffat finally going to be removed as showrunner after season/series 10? doctor who is all about change we need fucking change with the showrunner the show is getting staler and staler though weirdly the quality is way up from season 7 (for sure) and season 8
Just me being crazy. No worries friend. There's a trip that posts in /got/ that seems to have an affection for oberyn.
I've been fond of my beard at times. Without it I think i'm all lips.
I actually think that Davison got a lot of the best audios recently, which is strange because he's been the least interesting BF Doctor to me for a long time. But in the last few years we've had Prisoners of Fate, Fanfare for the Common Men, Psychodrome, Iterations of I, Equilibrium, The Entropy Plague and The Secret History, all among the best of each year imo.
You can't just pile up characters without giving the an ecological niche. Right now we got capable weirdo and everyman setup, but what are more people going to do? How will you arrange them with things to do.
It doesn't really have place for action, all slots are already taken essentially by the Doctor, so where are you going to place next? Let's not forget the fact that important part of the show is to have large guest cast.
back then the show was entirely different though, the focus was on adventures and nobody gave a shit about characterisation. You don't need three different characters who do nothing but say
>where are we Doctor
>what are we doing Doctor
>help me, Doctor, a monster is approaching me very slowly
However, these days the focus is on character arcs and the adventures are more of a side-thing. That's why I really liked Series 1, beyond Rose and her Doctor-story you still had Adam, Jack, Jacky and Mickey with their respective stories.
Sorry m8, I fucking hate GoT, it's been overhyped since day one. Also I fucking hate medieval fantasy. Beards is where you become a man. Also there's something reassuring about them.
Gatiss is Moffat's friend. Moffat basically tells the BBC nowadays because they're scared he might leave. If he wants Gatiss to write an episode, Gatiss will write one. Just not Sleep No More 2.
No one knows. I for one hope he stays. Sherlock will end after Series 5 anyway.
>posting the same exact reaction webm again and again
You need to expand your folder f.am. And most of those are shit, you can't honestly believe Caretaker or Zygon Invasion/Inversion were good, can you?
I don't I probably couldnt go anywhere if I wanted as most of the surrounding area is underwater. I'd probably be asleep by midnight anyway. As far as a stream I haven't heard any chatter, sounds like fun though. Yes, you should absolutely go out and try and meet an nice boy or girl, maybe both.
I watch, not a huge fan by any means. I can't into lotr so i guess i'm not a fan of the genre either.
I thought you became a man when you're mounted in a closet on a pile of dirty clothes by a cheerleader singing the venga boys. /who/ knew?
>Also there's something reassuring about them.
That must make the trope of a beard=evil a bit confusing.
Some here last I heard /#F!RVVjAY4B!WXcvcfd3xw4_FBN85ceS_w
>Day of the Doctor
this meme has to stop
>No The Snowman
>No Bells of St.John
>No Name of the Doctor
>No Time of the Doctor
>No The Caretaker
>No Dark Water
>No Under the Lake/Before the flood
>No Zygon Inversion
>most of them
Yes, most of them, but not Warlords for some stupid reason! I mean, Amazon even has a pdf preview at the "Look Inside" button! But it's not for sale! AHHHH
>Amazon even has a pdf preview at the "Look Inside" button! But it's not for sale! AHHHH
ISNT THAT THE MOST FRUSTRATING THING
THEY HAVE THAT FOR SO MANY OLDER BOOKS, I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK
What's the harm in pirating out-of-print books? No money is getting back to the author or publisher anyway.
Rise of the Dublords
>What's the harm in pirating out-of-print books?
They're not out of print, that's the point. Mad Norwegian just doesn't publish any new ones. I wouldn't give a fuck about someone pirating New Adventures or Past Doctor Adventures or any of that stuff, but this is different.
>Anything is Canon in Doctor Who
Does that mean my fanfics of the Doctor Regenerating into Macho Man Randy Savage is Canon?
pls say yes...
I've never done it myself, but I know that if you want to get a good result, you'll need to remove the binding, essentially ruining your copy. These might be useful if you really want to do it.
>I thought you became a man when you're mounted in a closet on a pile of dirty clothes by a cheerleader singing the venga boys. /who/ knew?
They lied to you then.
>That must make the trope of a beard=evil a bit confusing.
Not at all. Beards are sexy. That's a shit trope too anyway.
/!\ New Trip Approaching!
>/!\ New Trip Approaching!
not new, just rarely donned: only when my identity is important. I try to be as non-autistic as possible.
on that note
The new year is almost upon us and /who/ threads have already died twice. At this pace a thread will die every night, lost in Star Wars autism and Adam Driver shitposting, with anons resurrecting the thread to find new ways of archiving over and over again. A travesty to Who. Isn't it better to end it at last?
Gatiss has been regularly writing the worst episode of the season on shows since the 1990s, why would the BBC be interested in stopping now? He's, tragically, one of their remaining big name creators.
He has the Unholy Acting Talent, much like David Tennant and Ewan McGregor, to deliver utter gibberish like it's real dialogue with real weight behind it.
The time has come, the prophecy is now fulfilled.
We are ready to unleash our legion of Tumbl-Daleks upon /who/ and wipe it clean from the face of the internet.
Is the Doctor a Mary Sue?
>has always been smarter than everyone around him, we never see a time when he was less educated or skilled at anything
>solutions come to him with little to no effort
>suddenly has knowledge and abilities that are convenient for the plot despite never having foreshadowed that knowledge or skill
>is able to solve unsolvable problems with his Sonic Lampshade (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LampshadeHanging)
>is always perfect, even when they try to make him seem flawed it's done in the most endearing, forgivable, or justifiable way possible so no one in the audience would be under threat of disagreeing with the Doctor's decisions
>even times when the Doctor was known to have done bad or questionable things it's retconned with little to no explanation as to how that even worked (e.g., ending the Time War in Day of the Doctor without a single lost Gallifreyan life at the hand of the Doctor)
So, what of it, /who/? Seriously: Is the Doctor a Mary Sue?
Sorry, anon. I clicked a post number to open the reply box and forgot to delete it. I didn't mean to hurt you like that.
fuckin' star wars
while its true that the point of his character is it be a know-it-all and it properly gets too much some times, he isn't really
>the reputation is earned, its from 35 series of television, plus other stuff
>he's not always in control and isn't always right (although that's become more frequent in Moffat era). Thats why I think a superfan shouldn't be the next showrunner
>The sonic should be depowered really, just keep it as a scanner and a lock pick
>he does have major flaws, being egotistical, being forgetful and haphazard.
>>the reputation is earned, its from 35 series of television, plus other stuff
But even in his first appearance he has that same reputation. We never see him actually earn that aside from just demonstrating his incredible knowledge and intellect that he already had. We don't see him work to learn these things, he just knows them.
>Clara: Oh, hey, can we go back to that place where the people with the long necks have been celebrating New Years for two centuries? I left my sunglasses there. And most of my dignity.
Reminder that this is where Clara is spending New Years.
>But even in his first appearance he has that same reputation.
Not really. He was a troublemaker, a little cowardly, and even a little menacing to the original protagonists (Ian and Barbara.) And he definitely has flaws.
Is that why BBC America showed only Tennant and Capaldi's years for Christmas week?
Is that why Disney only got Tennant's years?
Is that why BBC America are only giving Tennant episodes for New Year's Eve marathon?
Suicide when Matt? When?
>Christopher Eccleston trained at the Central School of Speech and Drama
>Its prominent alumni include Laurence Olivier and Harold Pinter amongst others
>Tennant's talent at this young age was spotted by Scottish actress Edith MacArthur. After seeing young David's first performance at age 11, she told his parents he would become a successful stage actor. Tennant also attended Saturday classes at the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama; at 16, he passed an audition for the Academy, one of their youngest students, and studied there between the ages of 17 and 20
>He developed his career in the British theatre, frequently performing with the Royal Shakespeare Company
>Peter Capaldi trained at the Glasgow School of Art
>Notable alumni include Robbie Coltrane and Alexander Mackendrick
>In 1995, he won an Oscar for Best Live Action Short Film for his film Franz Kafka's It's a Wonderful Life
>After a serious back injury ruined Smith's football career, his drama teacher introduced him to acting by signing him up as the tenth juror in an adaptation of Twelve Angry Men without his consent. Although he took part in the play, he refused to attend a drama festival for which his teacher had also signed him up, as he saw himself as a football player and did not view acting as socially acceptable
>Smith studied drama and creative writing at the University of East Anglia
>Seeked an agreement with the University so that he could graduate without attending lectures in his final year
Sure Matt, I bet BBC America and Disney definitely didn't use any numbers when deciding what episodes and which Doctor to air, better take your statement that you're more popular in the US as fact
did you juat get bbca? they've played mostly smith episode marathons before and have played his way more often, they're probably just trying to change things up
disney will get smith's years too
they skipped eccleston because he's not as popular and tennant comes next
I was just watching Night of the Doctor again on a lark and I never noticed this bit: https://youtu.be/-U3jrS-uhuo?t=5m32s
>Charley... C'rizz, Lucie, Tamsin, Molly... Friends, companions I've known, I salute you.
I hadn't listened to Big Finish before, so I didn't notice him listing the audio companions originally. So, Big Finish is officially, indisputably canon now, isn't it? Or at least 8's audios are.
Ten actually said something to the effect of, "I watched all of Gallifrey burn by my hand." If anyone remembers or can find the actual quote that would be lovely, but the point is that the Doctor actually mentioned SEEING the effects of the weapon he unleashed. So it's definitely a retcon for him to never have even used the weapon nor to even have memories of himself ending the Time War, because he clearly did remember it at one point.
so the flash of light before the Raven gets her is the time extraction taking place? there was no light when the other guy who got killed by the Raven
His adventures with Mary Shelley are also canon since she was mentioned in Neverland.
And the books and comics are also canon since Compassion and Destrii were mentioned in Mary's Story.
Therefore, Night of the Doctor indirectly made pretty much all of Eight's stories in every medium canon.
You might be thinking of 9's "I watched it happen, I made it happen!" line. Though in Day of the Doctor 10 and 11 say this to the General about Gallifrey:
>DOCTOR: Because the alternative is burning.
>DOCTOR 10: And I've seen that.
>DOCTOR: And I never want to see it again.
I was thinking of watching The X-Files, since I've never seen it and they're making a new season next year. There's a shitton of episodes (nine seasons and two movies, plus Millennium and The Lone Gunmen), it could keep me busy for a long time.
Uh yeah we do
>BBC Three today announces Class - a new 8 x 45 minute Doctor Who spin off from the acclaimed YA author, Patrick Ness. Class is a YA series set in contemporary London. Incredible dangers are breaking through the walls of time and space, and with darkness coming, London is unprotected. With all the action, heart and adrenalin of the best YA fiction (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Hunger Games), this is Coal Hill School and Doctor Who like you’ve never seen them before.
>Steven Moffat says, “No one has documented the dark and exhilarating world of the teenager like Patrick Ness, and now we're bringing his brilliant story-telling into Doctor Who. This is growing up in modern Britain - but with monsters!”
>On his first television series, writer Patrick Ness says, "I'm astounded and thrilled to be entering the Doctor Who universe, which is as vast as time and space itself. There's so much room there for all kinds of amazing stories, and to work with Steven Moffat and Brian Minchin to find a place to tell one of my own has been an absolute joy. I can't wait for people to meet the heroes of Class, to meet the all-new villains and aliens, to remember that the horrors of the darkest corners of existence are just about on par with having to pass your A-Levels."
>Coal Hill spin-off
>no based Ian or Barbara cameo
We're in 2016! We can now say we're only getting one episode this year!
Yes. It's pic related. The Man Who Saved Christmas.
>We are two years away from Enemy of the World
>We are four years away from Power of the Daleks
>We are five years away from The Harvest
>we are 6 years away from the End of Time Part 2
6 years f-a-m. I feel good because I know Big Finish will make Pie Lord 2.0 out of Tennant this year.
No. It was 6 years. SIX YEARS.
I feel so old, yet I'm only 19.
>Matt arrived in the role 6 years ago
>still hasn't left yet
>there's no sign he's leaving any time soon
>mfw he's gonna do more than Tom Baker
About the same as yours, I think. Except Davros never returned. Series 8 was about Daleks and Davros. Missy is the main enemy. Also, Heaven Sent is an episode about the Doctor going back in time to relive every adventure he's had since he's left the Time War. Missy says she's manipulated everything since the Time War to get him here at this moment. The price to pay to break free is lose Clara, because they're the hybrid. The Doctor decides to lose her but forgets her instead of having her killed. Missy escapes in a shuttle. Clara returns to her life. The Doctor meets his new companion, River Song, at Christmas. She's a mysterious woman who comes from his future! She dies but the Doctor sets off to meet her again as apparently they meet out of order.
>In 1986, Baker told an interviewer, "Tom Baker did it for seven years. ... There's a part of me which likes to have a tilt at records. I would like to think that maybe I'd still be doing it in eight years' time."
>Later that year Baker was dismissed from the part at the insistence of BBC management, who wanted to refresh the show.
why do E-sigs look like better Sonic screwdriver than the ones we have.
>implying he isn't
With the ratings how they are, and Capaldi himself saying that the 10th may be his last, plus the three series tradition, he's much closer to his end than his beginning
Had a dream I was fucking Jackie...it was good. I came inside her
>three series tradition
Shit, I never realized that, but you're right. All we need is Capaldi to leave after his third and we'll have a bona fide pattern of every Doctor in NuWho leaving after 3 series except Eccleston. I hope it doesn't become a rule among the Doctor Who staff, though. It'd be a shame if it became THAT predictable.
6 and 7 were split into halves, 7A was 2012 and 7B was 2013, Day and Time are considered to be 2013 specials
Technically not a 'year' of specials but a pretty fucked and spread out release schedule
Happy New Year /who/! Hope you have a fantastic, alonsy. geronimo, shutity up 2016!
>ROSE TYLER BUILT A TIME MACHINE IN A CAVE OUT OF A BOX OF SCRAPS
What I have said. It's too easy to mass-vote on strawpoll. Like when we had that poll about the best Series 9 episode and Sleep No More won with 150 votes. http://strawpoll.me/6188094/r/ I have never seen that kind of thing happen on poal.me so far.
Also, I think poal.me has a better design.
A K-9 movie has been confirmed for next year (2017) name K-9 TimeQuake. But it uses the modern re-design from K-9 Regeneration
I would go so far as to say strawpoll is better because it gives you way more options in regards to mass-vote checking. You can't calibrate any of that shit with poal.me, I think to claim it's inherently more secure is baseless conjecture since nowhere do they even state how they prevent mass voting
Strawpoll is function over form as it should be, it just works without any bullshit and gives multiple tiers of
Poal.me tries way to hard to be flashy and 'modern' with all of the useless animations every time you mouse over or click on something, and it's absolutely retarded to put the pie graph at the bottom of the scroll list instead of taking advantage of unused screen real estate beside the poll list. There isn't a single thing poal does better which can be objectively measured
>I would go so far as to say strawpoll is better because it gives you way more options in regards to mass-vote checking. You can't calibrate any of that shit with poal.me, I think to claim it's inherently more secure is baseless conjecture since nowhere do they even state how they prevent mass voting
Searching "how to vote multiple times on strawpoll" on google gives you a page full of pertinent results. Searching "how to vote multiple times on poal.me" gives you no pertinent results, at least on the first page. It's objectively easier to cheat strawpoll because anyone can find out how to do so very easily.
Its options to check votes don't really do all that much because one actually makes it easier to mass-vote, and the other just adds a captcha, which still doesn't stop proxies.
I can offer you no unquestionable proof of poal.me being safer, but I can show you a poll about Series 9 that we've had on the same day as the strawpoll above (thread: https://4ch.be/tv/thread/63352777/) http://poal.me/zep44g
There's much less Sleep No More trolling in this one. In the same conditions as strawpoll, poal.me has worked better. That's enough for me until someone actually shows me proof of poal.me being vulnerable.
>Strawpoll is function over form as it should be, it just works without any bullshit and gives multiple tiers of
>Poal.me tries way to hard to be flashy and 'modern' with all of the useless animations every time you mouse over or click on something, and it's absolutely retarded to put the pie graph at the bottom of the scroll list instead of taking advantage of unused screen real estate beside the poll list. There isn't a single thing poal does better which can be objectively measured
Have you tried to create a poll on poal.me? It offers you several options, including allowing user-added answers. That's an objective advantage.
As for poal.me looking "too flashy", that may be so, but I still prefer it over strawpoll's interface and fugly font.
Finally, the graph. Two points:
1 - poal.me has the option of allowing discussion on the poll, which takes up space on the left of the screen, so there isn't as much on the right
2- I actually find it better that the graph doesn't share the same space as the list.
A throwback to the days of yore, Destiny of the Daleks and such. and because it can fit with the Dalek scheme of the past
No replies because that meme's way too old for /who/.
Why am just fucking your shit up?
At least use standard abbreviation so I have some idea what you're talking about.
i.e. The Day of the Doctor becomes TDotD
just before filling out the captcha, I realised you mean A Good Man Goes to War
If only Jenna hadn't taken that Victoria part.
Then, she and Quasimodo could have a spin-off about their adventures that doesn't really have to be labeled as a spin-off, just a companion show.
And with Quasimodo's popularity, the tumblr audience would certainly watch it, and even take a look at the main show.
But instead, we get Class.
I don't care at this point.
I know that it is going to be bad, because Moffat is yet again producing it.
It just doesn't work anymore, people have to start admitting that.
The production team is starting to lose their imagination, creativity and we just need a breath of fresh air.
This is a good start, but I don't just think we should stop at reminding the audience that they're people beneath the metal, but also paint them as less outright 'evil'. The fact that Cyber conversion removes disease and disability and inequality is an interesting theme which hasn't been played with enough
Focus more on conversion, since it's the only thing that really sets them apart.
My personal wish is to pair them with industrial horror, like a foundry or giant scrapyard and make their recruits with rusty exoskeletons.
And keep their power level in check. Make them more hiding and stalking their future brain donors and less of an invasion force - there's Daleks, Sontarans and any generic alien for that.
Sorry Satan, still a little groggy.
Then lettuce throw hands! pic related: me shaking in my boots