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>I think you're failing to see his complexity, my friend. Victarion is a well written character because he rebelled against his brother and is now a conqueror!
Retards who think Victarion is a good character Edition
Will Essos be affected by the Others ?
Well, i like Victarion. And i don't hate Maisie. But she's ugly.
Well, i should have said " Victarion's chapters ".
pic related sums it up.
I'm not bored when i read 'em. I fuckin hate Daenerys and Bran's chapters.
So you don't think he's a good character but when you do it's because he "actually does stuff"?
It makes sense, I guess. At least you're not insisting that he's well written like that other guy.
he's got a nice mix of daring and pragmatism, but his big speech is so bombastic it makes people gloss over the fact that it's in the middle of the book and he ends on a sort of pitiful note. I don't think the stabbing is meant to spell doom for all his plans (my money's on Davos recovering Rickon and the Manderlys helping Stannis turn the tide during the Winterbowl), but I think it'll play into the idea that petty squabbling may undo the kingdoms.
Well, what do you call " well-written " ? I think Gurm intended to write him like that, with no subtlety, like the epitome of Ironborns.
oh and to this person:
I never insisted any such thing. some people were making claims about what happens in Victarion's chapters and whether or not he, Quentyn and Wyman are multiple character traits and go through some change in their stories. I only described what actually happens in the chapters. I specifically did not use any term like "good" or "bad" or "well-written" because all it does is lead to people declaring that the story is or isn't those things, and nobody really listening or responding to each other. I tried to give you a substantiated conversation, you mong.
It's not about subtlety, he just failed to create a character interesting in any way, and Victarion isn't the only one. There's a few in the last two books
Arianne, Victarion and Quentyn are probably the worst of all time
Okay, but I wasn't talking about if they went through changes or not. So what if they had an story arc? That's the most obvious conclusion possible, but it doesn't mean it has to be a good one.
I don't know if you are this person, but the comment chain and claims I originally responded was that Victarion, among others, is "defined by one trait and undergoes next to no character development". whether or not having several traits and undergoing change makes a character good, I asserted nothing.
that said, the person who was responding to me certainly sounded like those are the requirements to make a good character, and every time it looked like Victarion did meet them, the poster went "actually nevermind, that shit doesn't even matter, he sucks", and then made up a lie either about the character or the basis of their argument. the poster did this here >>52816588, here >>52817433, here >>52817862, and, let's be honest, here >>52819637
Does anyone else think Gregor Clegane in the show (never read the books) would be better if he had an extremely deep south london accent (imagine a british raf officer in wwii) and a hair/facial hair setup like vlad the impaler?
he'd be so much more intimidating then, rather than an overgrown thug.
>the person who was responding to me certainly sounded like those are the requirements to make a good character,
No, you implied it wrong and you're writing tons of retarded shit based on your wrong implication
Agreed for Arianne and Quentyn, they're cancer. But Gurm failed the whole Dorne part.
In a way, i don't really care about magic and dragons. I'd probably enjoy aSoIaF if the plot, the chapters etc, focused on political intrigues.
In the book, he's depicted as a genius fighter.
And about the accent
>non english fag
>so, i dont know
He'd be more intimidating if they gave him more than 1 minute in S1, 1 minute in S2, nothing in S3, and 1 ( before the fight ) in S4.
Gregor is not only supposed to be one of the toughest opponent ever, he's also a fucking monster.
In the books, he's a freaking giant ( over 7', probably at least 7'6 ) and he's a sick fuck.
Just to give you an example ( out of many ), once his raiding party was ambushed by Robb's forces and to punish his outriders ( for not seeing it in time ) he carved out his eyes, and gave him to his (new) ourider, teling him that 4 eyes might help him see better. And if it didn't, his next one with have 6 eyes.
If they just gave him airtime (not expecting 30 minutes a season like a normal character, but more than 0 or 1... ) he would've been intimidating enough.
In S1 they did it right, mostly with the cast but also with his actions ( which are striaght up from the books, so not much credit to D&D ) but after that, it's next to nothing. And then they had him butcher random peasants in S4 before his trial to remind people who he was... But that was so forced and cringeworthy.
In the books Oberyn vs Gregor was "the avenger vs the monster"...
On the show it feels like the avenger vs some random tough guy.
yeha i agree.
what was up with that peasant butchering bit in the show? it wasn't even explained who they were, i thought they were prisoners/criminals the whole time. it just showed him as a stupid brute. the actor sucked hard for him.
if they made him less brutish and more calculated, his anger and random shocking violence would be much more disturbing and worrying.
and like the other anon said, he needs the vlad tash.
yeah, just angry. headaches suck.
joking aside though he's just a guy who has literally been allowed to do whatever he likes from day 1 on account of everyone being too scared to stop him.
i wanna see daddy clegane - to spawn kids like gregor and sandor must take a fucking next level tier badass.
if you want to talk about season five check out this thread. >>52820212
It is great because it was not started by the biggest piece of shit on this board who spergs out over Victarion because he is a shitlord misogynist
I want to watch GoT. Should I read or watch it first?
Well, we finally have it.
Concrete proof that Season 5 will be shit and 100% fanfic tier.
DAILY REMINDER THAT GOT IS FOR GIRLS AND FAGGOT CUCKS
Can we just start a new thread? Everyone hates this shitty OP so bad that a NON /GOT/ GENERAL thread got above 300 posts and sunk off the board before this thing broke 80 posts. We never have successful GoT threads out side of this general anymore, OP BTFO
would you offer her a spot in your movie? how would you cast her? on the couch? yes?
We had a thriving GoT thread that was not a general and hit 300 before this thread could hit 80. Threads with unrelated OP pics made by tumbler need to be deleted, it is absolute cancer.
I'd definitely offer her
the lead role in my moviebut only if she was willing to play in a movie about an angel giving everyone hope and making them feel better just by being herself and perfect in every way
ded thred post you're waifu
another award show and 0 fucking pics of sophie and emilia together
ya. they had to have sat near each other yesterday
Did he fuck the ayy lmao?
Also I felt sorry for him