So, now the 3rd one is out, I feel it's time to announce my plans
Due to the amount of people saying it will happen, I have begun 2 Hobbit Fan-Edits; One as a single film that is closest to book canon as I can make, as well as 2 separate films that carry some of the aspects of the trilogy I enjoyed while removing most of the extra fluff that was obviously squeezed or pressured in there. I have begun work on the single cut edition and to put it in perspective:
>Original equivalent to book chapter 1 is about 45 Minutes and 10 Seconds in
>Single cut is about 28 Minutes and 30 Seconds
Unfortunately this results in stuff that may be reserved for the double cut (Frodo & Bilbo Dialogue, Prologue showing destruction of Dale), which adds a bit of vagueness/mystery to the story setup, but I will see how it plays out, it is all subject to change. It will also mean I will have to cut down on things like the Sauron Council plot in this cut.
Some early ideas of stuff to be removed or slimmed from the double cut is:
>MATRIX NEO LEGOLAS
>terrible love subplot
>gopro barrel escape
>inb4 fix the CGI, I know how to use Maya and stuff, but this CG is beyond redeemable
Anyways, if you have questions, or want to remind me of terrible other stuff that may need to be removed, please don't hesitate to comment
In the meantime, ill bump with some Hobbit webms
>"Wait, why can't they just ride real horses?"
>"Because the dock they're riding on is too long to effectively do with practical effects."
>"Why does the dock have to be so absurdly long?"
How are you going to remove the terrible love subplot without fucking with how Kili gets healed? Is it possible to edit that scene in such a way that Kate heals him without referring to their "love"?
That actually makes a lot more sense, I may do that for the double cut as it includes the council and other plots. The single cut is not only supposed to follow the book but really focus on bilbos character as well. Always good to get legitimate feedback on a board. Should I tell /lit/, i've never really lurked there and I would assume either they hate Tolkiens writing or hate the hobbit films.
I'm pretty sure the whole film doesn't need anything Bolg related at all. His only scenes are with the ones who will be cut anyway.
Assuming Azog remains in his current role, as that was Bolg's job in the book.
Im not sure yet, a big thing people may notice in the single cut is the lack of the prologue, which is just an example of how vague this cut may be. So it may just appear as a minor hint of infatuation with little dialogue (not that there was much to begin with), another thing is like the corruption of the Arkenstone, without the prologue truly explained, it will seem like a strange character arc that all the sudden Thorin is an ass. Ill attempt to work it in somewhere, in the book they describe it at Bilbos house, which the way its filmed would integrate terribly.
This had to be due to the 48 fps. You effectively have to render 2x the workload so corners have to be cut to make render times viable, not to mention increased composting and general edit work. I refuse to believe they WANTED it to look like that.
Still, if anything they should have done more practical/natural effects and miniature work in order to combat this.
Hmmm. I haven't seen the first one since it was released; is it ever mentioned by Gandalf or anyone else?
In the third they make reference to dragon madness, which might be enough alone.
That was the plan, the guy and his tower were only in like 2 whole shots
its been a day or so since i edited, but at least at the beggining they only briefly explain Smaug has taken the mountain. I'm still on the first film so maybe he does and I don't remember
I watched the first 2 in 48fps, and I remember it being clunky, this is just laziness
>pic is what I made in about 5 minutes
*Balin, not Dwalin.
That reminds me, I wish there was a way to edit it so that it was Balin who had that heart-to-heart talk with Thorin in the third movie, not Dwalin. It makes NO SENSE that they'd give that scene to a dwarf who barely had any lines before instead of the one who was established as one of Thorin's closest friends. Did they fuck up with the script and accidentally switched the names around?
If that was the case it'd probably include badass legolas footage from LotRs, with lots of 80's music. To make up for lacking material I'd probably do shot for shot remakes of all these scenes with me and my limited CGI experience in my backyard
Good to hear, you aiming for a book interpretation or including some other plots? I'm already estimating 3+ hours of film if i'm following book canon. The worst part about this goal though is the start I have briefly shows old bilbo and frodo, as he narrates some of the first lines from the book, which I felt should be included, but makes for some weird transitioning
Can't you take the audio of Bilbo narrating and put it over something else, like shots of the Shire?
And on that note, I had thought the ending of the third movie would go back to him telling the story to Frodo, but it just cut to him drawing a map or some shit? That was pretty weird, though maybe I misremember how the first movie started.
Please anon, please do not disappoint me.
This has given more a new hope for this to be good.
Please don't include anything of Legolas except for the part where he hangs upside down from the bird. The movie is going to seriously lack in comedy without Legolas, but I think with some good timing you could make up for it by only including him once.
I could, but I think id have to draw shots of the Shire from LotR, there's really only a few in AUJ. I don't mind ending with the old Bilbo either, its somewhat canon as in LotR he writes the Hobbit after he escapes to Rivendell. What you mention made me realize something wierd though, at the end of BOFA he is drawing that map what looks verbatim to the one Gandalf brings out in AUJ. Weird, may have to go back and do some looking
You may be right, ill check it out when I get there
also despite the many critiques about singing, its got to be included, the dwarven songs are decent storytelling elements in the book
-Shorten the mirkwood, barrel, smaug vs. dwarves, and final battles.
-Make Kate an extremely minor character
-Remove Legolas entirely, or make him a cameo
-Keep the focus on Thorin and Bilbo
-Tone down the bloom lighting and fucked up colors
-Make Sauron's voice deeper like LOTR.
Yeah, funny thing is, even cutting all those actions scenes I feel the dialogue (especially in the first two movies) was plenty entertaining. I'd like to do some editing around the Smaug scene, maybe darker lighting? Lens flare? Well see...what do y'all think
I also don't think ill have to cut back the Azog plot much either, unfortunately due to the ending of AUJ he has to at least have a motive in the first film
Oh wrote that down, its not just mystery sake. He is too hurt in the hobbit to understand the Sauron subplot, or else he'd understand what the hell is going in a FotR, because even when he sees the eye whilst touching the ring, he doesn't quite understand whats going on and has to go do research and shit
Pls no. Also, darker lighting throughout.
Hate to say it man, but Serkis is probably the best Gollum we could ever have...
>unless hes played by my ex huehuehue
Naw, it's not like that. I'm just making a general gripe. Tolkien at some point noted they reproduce "in the manner of the children of Iluvatar". So it means they exist. But through all forms of media, they've never been portrayed. Even in the damn video games.
Real time cloth simulation in Maya, which WETA uses, and it looks just about as decent as that webm. The point is the simulation took like 3 minutes and that's on my computer, these guys have massive render farms and data caching stations, they have no excuse (except for office oversight) for the cloth to look like that. These are the guys that made LotR and Tintin look great on a budget smaller than what these movies got iirc
>I've been interested in playing, about how long is the campaign if you just focus on the main quests?
I've yet to actually play it because it seems a bit thin for my tastes. Watched bits of it streamed and spoiled the ending for myself. The main thing of the game seems to be the ability to effectively adopt a roster of orcs and put them into positions of power. Decent stealth and combat, beside that. Open world sandbox wankery. Nemesis system.
I have one specific request.
Can you remove the goblin king part at the end of the goblin town sequence? Where he jumps on the bridge and gandalf cuts him. It's so fucking bad. The way he jumps on the bridge making a last stand, and then gets beaten in a way that belongs on a slapstick routine. It's not funny, all it does it take you out of the movie by breaking the logic of the world for a second, just for a stupid joke.
Ill see what I can do
all the way through? 6th grade lol, and im not sure I actually finished it then... though I picked it up not too long ago and have been reading bit by bit since among other projects. I also remember in elementary trying to read FotR and i just couldn't do it, maybe I'll give Tolkien another try now that I'm older
ffs so don't do that gay 48fps 3D shit. Nobody cares about 3D anyway, in a few years the fad will be over, and all that will remain is shitty CGI.
Good thing LOTR didn't have to suffer this treatment. Shot on glorious 35mm, lots of practical effects and with very decent CGI.
He talks to frodo and frodo asks him if he thinks gandalf will come and frodo then leaves bilbos house with the black notebook (presumably to the tree where he first hears gandalf riding up). The third movie then ends with gandalf banging on his door, as if bilbo was rethinking his journey and the movies take place between the time frodo leaves and gandalf gets to his house.
Certainly. And Gollum doesn't always look great either. But for the time it was very good CGI, and the really crappy bits aren't so many as to be distracting. It all comes together pretty well.
The barrel scene is great though. It could probably be cut, but it's definitely one of the more entertaining parts.
If you're going to cut any action scene it should be the pointless action at the end of the second one.
Part 1 probably had the most pointless scenes that can be cut, but it's the movie I liked the most.
I've never read the books, but what I expected was an adventure movie about a hobbit and a bunch of dwarfs, and the first one comes to closest to that. The second one was fine too, but it had too much holding it back. 3 was just awful.
Good work. Was going to suggest someone do this anyways. Its interesting. The actors, designers, and production team on the Hobbit trilogy clearly is very passionate about their work, and sell the hell out of the material presented to them. Its the editors and directors that really botched this trilogy.
Some suggestions I might make:
>try to go for two movies, AUJ, and There and Back Again, but if you can't don't worry about it.
>if need be, feel free to chop up the trilogy even more, and make seven short "episodes"
>wait for BoFA extended cut. The biggest issue with the final movie is that its clear that it was awkwardly put together, mostly because of the extended scenes which were clearly missing
>try to make it look like Tauriel and Fili were just friends, but keep the romance to a minimum.
>do some serious cutting of the second movie, so that Smaug dies at the end, and the people of laketown are left on their own, THEN have bilbo say "what have we done".
>don't stress about bolg/azog. They are so detrimental to the movies that its nearly impossible to make an edit without them. I would cut the amon suil scene, and a few others, but nothing else really matters too much.
>try to move the sauron face off to the middle of the final movie. its sooooo awkward where it is now.
>rather than slicing legolas out, or his fantastical scenes, trim them. show a few of his acrobatic tricks, but avoid the most ridiculous shit he does. hell, one could kill bolg off early with some proper editing if they really wanted.
>CUT THE RING'S SIGNIFICANCE GREATLY
>keep the scene where bilbo kills the spider and realizes the ring is poisoning him, and keep the scene where smaug notes bilbo is wearing the ring (but cut out the eye flashing on screen -- that shit was ridiculous)
>remove the stone giants
>remove the ridiculous roller coaster ride in the goblin caves
disagree. we NEED bolg. he is the one example in the series where legolas faces someone who can challenge him. without the bolg fight, even if you trim the legolas scenes, he's still made out to be batman.
>Shadow of Mordor
remove all mention of sauron by name, if possible. keep him as the necromancer until the last possible moment. sauron needs to be a minor villain, and his relationship to the ring needs to be down played, so that when i watch the fellowship its not redundant
>keep radagasts scenes, but cut them down. his intro in the first film is horribly abrupt and clumsy (gandalf talks about him, then we have an unrelated scene with him healing mice. wtf)
>but keep the scene where he goes to dolguldor. that was a good scene because we see the witch king, and that radagast isn't a complete bitch
>keep the mirkwood forest scene in the second movie. great scene in my opinion.
You weren't really fighting Sauron, Anon. And even then, there IS a reason he didn't stride out to meet Aragorn personally and do the mace shit.
I mean, shit. If you're going to bitch, this is far more worthy of it.
>Frodo did I ever tell you about the time Thorin almost killed me by trying to throw me off of the lonely mountain? He was a good friend.
>tfw you honestly don't mind this stuff but the CGI absolutely kills it for you
In LOTR, the Legolas bits were usually pretty cool (recently watched Fellowship) and grounded in reality, but everything he does in Hobbit looks like a videogame, and a bad one at that. I HATED the bridge bit, it wasn't even remotely "cool".
Dude, even bookwise he definitely would be. He's the Prince of mirkwood. The only reason he's not mentioned is because Tolkien didn't invent him until the fellowship reached the mines of moria while he was writing fotr
never saw the hobbit movies because it was a trilogy so i might watch an edit.
then again i didnt like lord of the rings trilogy when i saw it and it looks like the graphics havent gotten any better since then.
probably would be better if i just left the hobbit in my mind as the god tier graphic novel adaption.
There is no reason that couldn't have been done practically for the physics. Get a nice big warehouse or hangar. Get some reams of fabric. Then use CGI on that. Shit. I could get a better effect with a shoebox and a roll of tissue paper.
they were just being lazy, if you look at still image, the cloth looks rectangular. If you do cloth simulation with too sparse mesh, it will look stiff and rectangular. Kinda like dropping cloth made by sewing stiff leather squares together.
Just have it so it is a regular arrow that apparently causes an infection. Just have the scenes where he collapses and is put into a bed to recover. Then have him walking around and recovered later on in the film. It MIGHT work. You really just have to play around with it. Otherwise, just cut the whole thing out, including most of the barrel scene and the entire healing scene.
Are you drawing things from the extended editions or just the theatrical versions?
If so, is there anything from the extended editions that are even worth having in there?
I don't remember what changes were in AUJ, and I haven't seen the DOS EE yet.
Is there more Beorn?
If you don't mind my suggestion man, I think what you should do at the outset is decide upon a solid tone. Are you making it more child friendly, or going for the same dark-with-hints-of-hope tone as LOTR?
Becuase the entire problem with the hobbit at it's core is that it has an identity crisis.
We want the dwarves to be wacky and funny
>plate juggling, "can we have chips" bullshit, barrel scenes etc
Cool. But you can't then go and have it also be dark as fuck and try to have serious drama. Pick a tone, stick to it.
This thread is a weird coincidence, because when I woke up today I had the idea to try and do this. I decided not to since 1. I don't think I have enough space on my computer right now and 2. The third film isn't out yet on Bluray/DVD. Also I only own the second film on Bluray and the first one on DVD, so the quality difference could stand out.
I didn't even think this thread would still be up
didn't even know this, ill see what
can do, they actually put a ton of work into his sets and costume to only be on film for 5 minutes
Bluray...but when its all said and compressed quality is likely to be shit
boltgun grey only gives me indigestion, its not lethal enough
yeah, i'm attempting to give the single cut a more "kid friendly" vibe though I hesitate to use that word, because that's really not how the movie was shot