A few nights ago, I was debating with some people as to whether or not Korrasami was cannon, and whether it was "forced" or not. Well the creators just took the words right out of my fucking mouth. EVERY argument that I made is in here (the music, past hints, etc). I hope you see this and know what it's like to feel the sting of defeat!
>talking about cartoons on /tv/
>talking about the shit followup to atla
>I argue with people about character shipping on a children's cartoon show
>I support forcing degeneracy into children's programming in the name of progressivism
>I read kotaku
*tips horn-rim glasses*
This is potentially the worst romance ever, as evident by the people who weren't sure whether it was on purpose or not. Namely because the 'hints' were at an autism Chris Nolan level of compression and could be taken as anything, let alone a super secret lesbian relationship. Nobody missed anything, it's just that it was so poorly executed and build up.
>inb4 ma blush
>same blush with Sokka and Toph from TLA
>c-canon, right, senpai-bryke?
>the sting of defeat!
>at the thought of hot lesbian sex
First of all, no one gives a shit about lezbos.
And second, if it did matter to people, then this would not be the first time fans simply ignored the intentions of the creators.
Still had no basis in the characterisation of Korra and Asami. It may have been the intended effect of the scene but they're still shit writers.
If anything, ass-pulls like this are a disservice to the queer community.
Well, you sure showed us, OP.
Showed us that even with all the time those two said they had, they still couldn't write a budding romance in a way that didn't break suspension of disbelief for half of the fandom. The ending reveal is actually more forgivable if they just tacked it on at the end like a lot of people expected. Now we've got just another confirmation of just how terrible these two are at writing for characters and in general.
How is LGBTQ issues viewed in the avatar world? Do you think the comics will deal with gay rights issues?
I don't know if they confirmed comics or not. I haven't heard anything personally. I'm not sure if they should either. The ending was so perfect, I don't know if it should go any further. =b The show itself portrayed it positively, but as for whether the world is accepting of it or not, I do not know.
Do you watch the show? Need I list and explain every ounce of buildup that they've shown and explain it further? It's pretty clear, clear enough that I actually got suspicious at a point, and I originally never entertained that idea.
I wondered if those cues were just my imagination. They were subtle. And I figured if they went that way, it wouldn't be so subtle. Though I guess they needed to be to go under the gaydar of network censors.
Plus Mako seemed to be on the outs with both of the gals. Just as they seemed closer than ever. Though I still didn't think they would go there. Eh. Sure. Why not? Go for it.
I probably didn't think it would because how u conventional it is to see gay couples in kids shows even today.
Rather makes Nick dropping network broadcasts of the eps interesting.
What? You don't like two women together? You need dick? What are ya? A faggot?
And tell gay couples raising kids somehow they cannot raise their kids. Sounds like the same bullshit people made about interracial marriage in the 60s.
I too got suspicious, but only that they might actually try that. I immediately dismissed it as the build up had in fact not been nearly enough to make it work. This was silly of me, of course: Bryan and Mike have shown us over and over again that such small things as reasonable flow and progression are beneath them when it comes to fulfilling all those important bullet points on the plot checklist.
It had a pretty shit period, I'm not going to lie. Lucy maybe suicide was probably the dumbest/most entertaining plot development in a while. Then the creator came on /co/ and got told why her comic was sucking so badly. Once people stopped whining about Lucy the comic picked up decently, so it all worked out I guess.
Right on the money.
The people smiting the ending on this thread aren't claiming that it's not a homosexual relationship, they're claiming that Bryke are just shit writers and that the resolution came in totally left field. Anybody can cherry pick out three scenes from 500 minutes of film and claim that there are 'hints'. They want something more, when there isn't any more than one simple fact, the relationship made no sense at all, confirmed or not confirmed.
>go on /co/
>kotaku link on the front page
>people praising LGBT pandering bullshit
what's wrong with you guys
I don't know, I think that it kept you guessing as to whether it was for real or not. It's what made the ending so exciting - we got confirmation that we weren't really expecting. It didn't beat you over the head with it, it was just enough to keep you guessing right up to the end.
Okay I haven't been following the show, what happened? Also, which character did Kiki voice on the show?
Korra started working out around season 3. I could see her going lesbo and a bodybuilder. She might even become a spokeswomen for lgbt issues.
>show so shitty it got pulled from the air and had to run the rest of its last season through a website
>trying so hard to stay relevant
>SJWs keep spamming gay avatar everywhere to try to act like its relevant
>the series was awful and everyone forgot it existed
>samefag sjw keeps spamming it on /v/ and /tv/
>>show so shitty it got pulled from the air and had to run the rest of its last season through a website
damn, for real?
I only watched half of the first episode and after that it completely left my mind.
Didn't know that it did that badly though.
"Ending Was What You Thought, Deal With It"
cool, Korra and Asami go off and have adventures together as friends.
stopped reading right there
>which character did Kiki voice on the show?
Thanks. I was kind of hoping that she voiced one of the lesbians, she really is quite a qt.
Oh how wrong so many of you are here. Since I don't feel the need to respond to all the idiocy, I will address the show's move to online. Nickelodeon switched timeslots around, cut their budget, and failed to market it. In fact, they only gave a weeks notice before releasing book 3. Nick messed them up, not the show itself. The show is actually very well-received. Numerous review sites can attest to that.
More like Nick saw how bad Season 2 was, realized how hard they'd screwed themselves with that whole buying three more seasons at once decision, and lost all faith in the project.
Also, why exactly should anyone give a shit about what review sites say? Are people not allowed to think for themselves now? Even fucking Roger Ebert thought Phantom Menace was a good film.
>Implying aggregate reviews aren't indicative of the general opinion on something
>Implying book 2 was actually as bad as people make it out to be >>Protip: it's not
>You can think for yourself, but that doesn't mean that most people feel differently.
Don't give a fuck whether there's same-sex relationships in one of my favorite cartoons, but what pisses me off is how they forced it into the last episode with no fucking buildup. Everything about TLoK felt so goddamn rushed. I never felt this problem with TLA.
Not only that, but they said this was the last Avatar series. What a shit way to end. Absolutely depressing.
Soon I will no longer have to put up with this tumblr bullshit and their shitty fucking animation and signature dumbass facial expressions
not only that but the fags who liked it are mad
Avatar was indeed one huge story, but it had all these other little stories in every episode/set of episodes to keep it interesting. A lot of these were connected with the main storyline in some way. The problem with TLoK was how disjointed every season felt. It would've been better to just have one main story, and find a way to include Amon, and all the other bad guys.
This guy again.
Again, I kind of disagree, but I can see where you're coming from. There are plenty of other people that feel that way. The bad guys in each season were pretty awesome though. None of them were "evil" for the sake of being evil (except for Vaatu, but that comes with what he is).
I want reddit to leave. The unironic "lol" the tumblr reaction images, LBGT praising, and cucktaku clickbaiting. Take this shit to /co/ or you liberal hugbox. I know /tv/ is essentially reddit now, but I want to pretend as long as possible
I dropped it after the second season ended, and I really wasn't enjoying the second season by about 2 episodes in, but I needed to stick it out.
That whole "make the human and spirit world one!" thing was absolute garbage, mainly because it basically destroys Korra's relevance to everything, after it happened I was just completely done.
Korra was so annoyingly unlike-able, Mako was a whipped bitch, and Bolin was boring as fuck.
I never really saw Asami as anything other than a nuisance, because after the whole 'my dads in charge of the evil robots" thing happened she was only there for romantic shenanigans and didn't actually offer anything to the plot, not to mention she had basically no fucking personality.
>And tell gay couples raising kids somehow they cannot raise their kids. Sounds like the same bullshit people made about interracial marriage in the 60s.
Tfw the slippery slope is real, and it's only getting slippier and slopier.
Not even for a kawaii Japanese waifu?
inb4 White Women Dating Asian Guys In This Thread guy shows up
I honestly enjoyed Season 1 for what it was and tried to be, even after it shat the bed at the last moment.
Season 2 just kept right on shitting, stopping to catch its breath only to keep discharging through the script anus. To this day I still do not understand what the supposed benefits were to keeping the spirit portals open. At least now I know the answer: almost absolutely none, and it caused more problems than it was ever worth.
This site is just full of so much anger and hate. Many of you are unhappy individuals (daddy issues, not that attractive, whatever the case may be), and it can certainly be infectious. I'll go cry my way back to tumblr now hahaha. Boohoooo
Can one samefag really be this buttblasted that not everyone agrees with his/her stupid opinions and shoddy reasoning? I'm glad that 4chan remains a bastion of dissident thought. The alternative, being like this moron, is too terrifying to contemplate.
No. I'm genuinely curious. How cartoons and comic books can be your main hobby when you're an adult.
Apparently this Avatar is like a god tier series. But just compare this:
This is just a random good film from this year. There are many like this one.
The same way it's become increasingly acceptable to love video games all the way into adulthood. Aka societal expectations change. Back in the day it'd be considered very strange for adults to watch any cartoons at all, but all that's changing.
Also comics have always been enjoyed by nerds. What is 4chan but nerd central?
First video games now children's cartoons.
America is dying.
Why do you assume it's his main hobby? He's posting on /tv/, he's obviously a fan of film. You're allowed to like more than one thing. Cartoons and movies offer two very different experiences and exist for two very different reasons. Part of growing up is accepting what you like without worrying about whether it's "really grown up" or not. That's perhaps the most childish way you can choose to spend your time.
Holy fucking samefag.
I normally hate when people say this, but you seriously need to fuck off back to tumblr/reddit. You are obviously not old enough to post here. Go 'lol' to your le epic rage comics and memes from 5 years ago.
We've lost our way. /co/ hasn't been love and long, long goddamn time. We never fully recovered from the /mlp/ and obnoxious homosuck shit. Tumblr came in dry and the board didn't have a pillow to bite.
If you're a fan of film then you wouldn't watch 10 season of a dumb show for kids.
>Part of growing up is accepting what you like without worrying about whether it's "really grown up" or not.
Enjoying more mature works and growing out of cartoons is perfectly natural.
Obviously. The modern young adults are way more infantile than their parents.
no, all that was fairly tame other than mlp, /v/ invaded and started brand loyalty shit posting and it caught on, that was NEVER a thing on /co/ until about 3 years ago.
It's calmed down now though, the gays are getting a little pushy but it's getting back to where it used to be.
an additonal problem is that /pol/ style shit posting came to /co/ and turned off a lot of the jews, which as you know jews created something like 90% of all /co/ related content, so when they left the humor and board specific OC went with them.
Anyway, I'm going to go back to watching Calvary. I hope you enjoy your LGBT pandering children cartoon. I really do.
>If you're a fan of film then you wouldn't watch 10 season of a dumb show for kids.
Now try again without some arbitrary opinion you pulled out of your ass.
>Enjoying more mature works and growing out of cartoons is perfectly natural.
Once again, you're assuming this didn't happen to the OP. Who's to say he doesn't enjoy mature cinema? As far as naturally growing out of cartoons, I seriously doubt he watches as many cartoons as he did when he was a child.
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.” - C. S. Lewis
As you grow older, at a certain point something as cartoons cannot satisfy your intellectual hunger anymore, and you move on to superior media. This is the whole point, if you DO really grow up, you lose all interest in them, it all has nothing to do with "accepting what you like"
>literally no signs or hints at all
>both characters are shown emotionally falling for males
>literally last ep LOL THEYRE GAY
>NO GUYS ALL THIS FANART IS PROOF I MEAN IT GUIS STOPPITTTT!!
that's exactly the type of shit I'm talking about, eurotrash shows up spouting that kind of crap and whole place took a nose dive.
Every single board became less entertaining and less fun once that /pol/ shit caught on, 4chan hasn't produced quality content in at last that long.
I never believed in scapegoating /v/. I place blame solely on the obnoxious autists and the webcomic faggots that couldn't keep their SJW crusade to themselves. That wave of Sinfest and damn near daily Dobson threads were particularly painful.
C S Lewis was a pious asshole. The Narnia stories were shit. Susan gets locked out of heaven, away from her family for eternity, for the sin of being a teenage girl and interested in boys. Also all Muslims worship the devil, unless they are good Muslims, in which case they are actually praying to Jesus without realising it.
there isn't any overtly SJW shit on /co/ though I don't know where any of you got that idea from.
Dobson is all /v/ fucking talks about, /co/ used to like him back when he was CattyN.
It's not a scapegoat, I go on a lot of boards and /v/ clamps onto shit that catches its attention and runs it into the ground hard.
>As you grow older, at a certain point something as cartoons cannot satisfy your intellectual hunger anymore
Why? Because it's animated? You're telling me that if an animated series had the same dialogue, themes, and musical score as your favorite films; it would automatically be rendered unwatchable infantile shit because it doesn't have people standing in front of a camera?
That's pretty stupid, anon.
I'll admit one thing though, if you're the type of insufferable cunt who watches film to fuel your "intellectual hunger", then you definitely wouldn't enjoy this cartoon show. But since we're posting on /tv/, I think it's a fairly safe bet that your intellectualism is entirely put on.
It's a fucking kids show. It is made for idiot children to enjoy and pass the time with.
If you want to argue that some animes are intellectually stimulating or artfully made, that's fine, and I would even agree in some cases, but this is The Legend of Korra we are talking about. It is made for 8 year old children to understand and enjoy. If you ritually watch and enjoy it as an adult you need to grow the fuck up.
>if an animated series had the same dialogue, themes, and musical score as your favorite films
"if" is a keyword here. Very, very, i mean very, rare cartoon can be considered to be on the same level as cinema in all aspects you mentioned. I believe there're some, but honestly can't come up with any examples right now. What i know for sure, is that Avatar not one of them. It's a cartoon for teens.
And all i did, just pointed that if you really did grow up, i wouldn't even be explaining all this to you, and we didn't have this argument to begin with.
But judging by
i say you got rather upset
I'm not talking about the show, I'm talking about cartoons in general.
I just don't understand why cartoons in particular are seen as different from like movies or literature. No one will bat an eye if you mention you're reading Lord of the Rings or rewatching Star Wars, but these are all properties created to be consumed by children.
You're not arguing that something can't be artfully made if children can understand it? And you're telling me I need to grow up?
If your argument is that all media has to be "intellectually stimulating" in order to be enjoyable, then yeah, cartoons probably aren't for you. But you're also a complete faggot.
>If you ritually watch and enjoy it as an adult you need to grow the fuck up.
I don't watch it. I watch cartoons that are even more shallow; and nowhere in your tedious post have you explained why this is a bad thing.
Both George and Tolkien describe them that way, so take it up with them. I'm not sure why you would disagree though. They are clearly made with children in mind. That doesn't mean that adults can't enjoy them, they are entertaining for people of all ages. And guess what, so is this cartoon.
>"if" is a keyword here. Very, very, i mean very, rare cartoon can be considered to be on the same level as cinema in all aspects you mentioned.
Sure, I was just wondering if his objection to cartoons is literally just the fact that they are drawn.
>And all i did, just pointed that if you really did grow up, i wouldn't even be explaining all this to you, and we didn't have this argument to begin with.
And all I did was point out that if you were really grown up, you wouldn't be so concerned with acting so very grown up.
>i say you got rather upset
I'm not. I think people who say, "I only watch INTELLECTUAL cinema" are insufferable cunts. This doesn't make me upset, frustrated, or whatever other arbitrary emotion you want to assign to me. I think it's a silly way to treat any hobby.
>Both George and Tolkien describe them that way
I'm just curious, you didn't just made that up? I'm confident that Hobbit was a book for children, but LoTR and Silmarillion? Anyway, citation needed
>entertaining for people of all ages. And guess what, so is this cartoon.
If you have problems with development, yes
I just don't get why Korra and Asami didn't kiss.
The writers confirmed that they were cannon in a romantic way. I thought if Korra was going to end up with anyone it should have been Asami but what are the writers so afraid of?
No actually gives a flying duck about homosexuality these days. I really isn't a big deal.
But the make it such a big deal in TLOK. They have them hold hands for a second at the end of the season and then later confirm it on their twitter.
Why didn't they just kiss? Every other couple did.
It's like that guy who tells you he isn't racist, but... The writers are like ya we are so progressive about gay people as long as it is in the last episode as a sort of hinted implied ambiguity that we will later confirm on our blog and we won't actually show any gay stuff on the cartoon because we are afraid of the reaction.
Like they got moved to the internet, they could have made anything really, there must have been little to no network interference this season as it is obvious Nick didn't give a flying fuck about them.
>And all I did was point out that if you were really grown up, you wouldn't be so concerned with acting so very grown up.
The problem is actually, that i act as a normal person would, while you just being childish.
>I only watch INTELLECTUAL cinema
What i meant, was that most of the movies are far more intellectual than most of the cartoons, thus as you grow smarter with age you naturally move on to something more interesting and thought provoking.
Your insult was absolutely uncalled for
>I'm just curious, you didn't just made that up? I'm confident that Hobbit was a book for children, but LoTR and Silmarillion? Anyway, citation needed
Actually, you're right. He wrote the Hobbit as a children's book, and so The Lord of the Rings was initially published as a children's book; but he considers them to be appropriate for anyone to read.
>If you have problems with development, yes
Lazy insults aside, explain what makes this cartoon different from the franchises I just mentioned. Do you think that someone enjoying the Hobbit has "problems with development"? I mean, it's a book for children! That means anyone entertained by it needs to grow the fuck up, right?
>The Lord of the Rings was initially published as a children's book
>Lucas said himself that Star Wars was made for children
>Do you think that someone enjoying the Hobbit has "problems with development"? I mean, it's a book for children! That means anyone entertained by it needs to grow the fuck up, right?
It's a slightly different situation, but without going into the details, i say yes. Just try reading it, you will understand what i'm talking about. You wouldn't be really interested and legit entertained by reading Mother Goose Tales, would you? Would you discuss it on the internet? Would you protect it as a hobby worthy of an adult?
>The problem is actually, that i act as a normal person would
Oh, I'll agree with you here. Your views regarding cartoons and those who watch them are very normal. Though that doesn't make them well thought-out or sensible. As an aside, am I the only one concerned about the growing number of people coming here to brag about their mainstream opinions and how great their normalfag beliefs are? Who gives a shit?
>What i meant, was that most of the movies are far more intellectual than most of the cartoons
This part of your statement is true, and that's why most people aren't looking at cartoons for intellectual stimulation. We're looking at them to do things that is simply impossible to capture in a live action series.
>thus as you grow smarter with age you naturally move on to something more interesting and thought provoking.
The part of your statement is just nonsense. Yes, most adults watch movies because they are thought-provoking and emotive. I do. I watch far more films than I do cartoons. That's a natural part of growing up. The idea that I should have to completely abandon something I enjoy however, is nonsense. They do not exist for the same reason and are not attempting to do the same thing. And I personally consider a well-made cartoon far more palatable as art than a generically mediocre movie.
>Your insult was absolutely uncalled for
You should cry about it, then.
>It's a slightly different situation, but without going into the details, i say yes.
And that's why you're an insufferable cunt.
>You wouldn't be really interested and legit entertained by reading Mother Goose Tales, would you?
What a silly comparison. You're a silly, silly man.
>Would you protect it as a hobby worthy of an adult?
Why would I think less of someone for liking nursery rhymes? These stories have existed since the 1600s and most of us grew up learning them. I see absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying a bit of nostalgia, and it's something that can easily be shared with one's children. You really are very pretentious, you know that?
Are you fucking kidding me? Lucas described it as a kid's movie to Richard Dreyfuss back in 1977.
When questioned how did he go from writing a children's story, to a "mature fantasy epic for mature adults such as myself", Tolkien said - "My work did not 'evolve' into a serious work. It started like that. The so-called 'children's story' was a fragment, torn out of an already existing mythology. In so far as it was dressed up as 'for children,' in style or manner.
it's about fucking time. maybe now we can finally revise the rotten cis-scum shit that are old cartoons and make them more progressive and tolerant. You know what, let's start right now.
What are you talking about, it's a clear visual statement, get on with the times you homophobe