>>1072540 well there isn't really much of a story to tell, I'm just giving a simple caution
travel was on my resume as an interest, and I was bombarded with questions about ow long I was planning to stay in the position, whether I would request time off, whether I was committed to the role. mentioning I traveled in an islamic country provoked a visibly poor response as well
I found it rude and offensive, but it's something that must be expected to some degree
>>1072646 You're a dumbo anon, clearly OP made the mistake of having interests in "culture". Culture never made anybody any money, especially ISLAMIC culture. The job of hiring departments is to find people who are willing to work hard without frivolous shit like travelling. If you told me you wanted 2 weeks of vacation time in a row I'd kick you to the curb.
What? My resume is littered with travel-related shit. Several of my work and volunteer positions are from Turkey and India. I've had Google and other large companies offer me positions or take an interest in me. I often get a lot of questions about the places I've gone, but the interviewer is almost always enthusiastic about the exposure I've had. You can find a way to spin anything positively if you're not an autist.
>>1072544 I don't know what job you were applying for anon, but I've only ever been in workplaces where taking all your holidays in a row when the workload died down was the norm. Sounds like your interviewers had messed up priorities, or serious absenteeism problems in the past.
I would imagine it would actually help if your job involved a certain amount of travel?
it just depends on what job you are applying for and what country you want to work in.
My travel experiences have only helped with the job interview process. Additionally, the jobs I really want usually allow at least a month of vacation per year.
"Oh, wow you studied in this country? You interned in this country? You worked in this country? I have never been, but I spent x years in Europe blah blah blah. So you wouldn't have a problem relocating?" Then we can discuss traveling and the interview is less about me and more about our experiences.
Not to mention traveling around the world 1) makes me look like I come from money 2) looks like I am cultured 3) allows me to fit in with the bosses that came from money and spent extended time abroad.
Additionally, I work at a company that has a few highly educated middle-eastern mid level bosses. MMM, having spent time in Muslim countries has only helped me in that respect. I don't look like the hard core right wing dipshit that equates anyone that isn't white with the devil.
Kek, it would even help if someone wanted a real job at a big oil company.
I've been worrying about this. I'm 23, and I think it's about time I got a 'proper job'. I'm doing an MSc right now, and I think I'll be a fairly strong candidate for jobs when I graduate (first-class bachelor's, should get a distinction for master's, plus some work experience).
How much of a red flag is it to mention an interest in travelling at an interview? I was considering just coming straight out and saying I'd like two months off (unpaid) each year to travel - and that way, they can keep me happy and I'll never have to take career breaks or sabbaticals or anything like that. Personally I think that would be a great deal for them, but I'm worried they'd just tell me to fuck off and hire someone else.
>>1072688 2 weeks if you're lucky! I've had fulltime jobs without vacation or paid holidays. (and nothing fancy like healthcare obviously.) Wasn't even fastfood minimum wage, just an office job at a crap company.
Depends on the job and more specifically the employer. I know that a lot of new employers have a more general come as you go sort of policy, they don't really complain so long as you get your work done and are generally productive. My sister works for a marketing firm and she'll take days off, leave early, come in late all the time with no problems. These types of arrangements are gaining ground but still generally few and far between, I think they really only exist in techy jobs and start ups and what not, jobs with mostly young people working at them. Even if you got a job at this kind of place a 2 month leave every year would be hard to arrange. More traditional employers would probably laugh right to your face if you mentioned it.
I think it's ok to mention that you've done extended travel on a resume. If they ask you about just tell them you learned a lot and it opened up your mind and blah blah blah. If you want a good job I just wouldn't mention that you plan on traveling in the future. If you want to go for these 2-4 month trips every year or every other you just have to accept that a good solid job is going to be hard to maintain. If you're in an interview and they ask why you didn't stay at your last job very long just tell them you went happy and wanted to work for a better company aka their company, they'll like that answer.
>>1073105 >hurr murricans dont travel or because any places worth traveling (ie not mexico or canada) to are half a fucking planet away. where in europe countries are the size of americas testicle, so you drive an hour or two to another country and feel oh so traveled
>>1073104 You don't work hard. Germans for example have a higher productivity rate in companies while having 6 weeks of paid vacation (5 weeks paid is minimum by law). Work-life balance is a real thing, as much as rightwingfags don't like to hear it.
>>1073073 To be fair I'm not asking for holiday pay, I'd just like a contract that only requires me to work (and be paid for) 10 months each year. If you'd allow me to do that, then I'd be a happy and productive employee. If I'm only getting a couple of weeks per year, then I'm likely to get annoyed, get bitter about the company, and ultimately leave after a couple of years so that I can go travelling.
I completely agree that I'd get laughed out of most interviews if I tried to suggest something like that, I just think more companies should consider these sorts of contracts.
>>1073127 Check the numbers. Size has a big part of to do with, but sheer numbers Chinese travel internationally the most, followed by Americans, then Germans, then British. So they just must not go the places you go.
I said to my boss last January (I live in England) "I'm going to the Philippines for a month in September". "Oh... I'm not sure if you can have that much time off" "I am, I can have that much time off" "..."
He signed off on the holiday.
Sure, I couldn't have any days off for the the entire year except that trip, but it was worth it.
>>1072668 >If you told me you wanted 2 weeks of vacation time in a row I'd kick you to the curb. >mfw my European ass gets 6 weeks vacation a year, and I usually spend at least 3 weeks of it straight. Usually in September. Gotta spend a few days around Christmas, and I'll take a week or so in spring, and use the other days here and there.
>>1073335 I genuinely never heard of putting interests on a resume. Also, I didn't phrase that well. I meant it seems like it will on be brought up in a way that will eventually go against you. All the interviews I've been on, any interests that come out are generally just talked about to kind of see my underlying reaction to things. The interviewer couldn't give a shit. In the US everything is just about finding justification not to hire you
If it's something bad like mentioning you're a furry or you're really into anime then yeah it could maybe be used against you in a negative way. I just really don't see the harm in adding a category or section on a resume of "hobbies and miscellaneous achievements" were you list basic or generic things.
I actually have a section like this on my resume, below education and experience of course, that mentions my traveling. I was asked about it during my last interview and I just said It really opened my eyes and forced me to step out of my comfort zone.
Basically if you don't have autistic hobbies it's not hard to spin it into a positive. If it's on your resume they will either ask about it or they won't, I just can't see how it would hurt you in any way.
My girlfriend has a high-paying job and is very good with resumes. She specifically recommended that I list travel as a hobby and even go so far as to put down some of the countries I've visited. Had a great fucking run with my current resume, too.
>>1073320 So because they don't travel like you they don't travel? Do they not get on a plane and leave their country for another? How is the tour group even relevant to the incorrect point that Americans don't travel? At least talking numbers.
>>1073216 >To be fair I'm not asking for holiday pay, I'd just like a contract that only requires me to work (and be paid for) 10 months each year. Education, elementary/middle/high school. It's not guaranteed for college nowadays, however.
Work that is seasonal in nature...construction. Esp construction of roads, large government projects, things that require no damn snow. You might get winters off. Think clearly about that.
Outside of that? Think tourist areas have "Seasons" and low times for some types of companies that know that during a season you'll be working the equivalent of overtime as muc as 24/7 and you accrue time off you are silently forbidden to use until low season.
Get your damn foot in the door in these places before you start talking about your right(s) not to work. And of course, the most skilled you are in a rare to find people at your caliber, the more leverage you have to get a flexible schedule for your personal interests. It may help to live/work in places where it's the norm, such as rural to city, places were people have family weekend homes that require a touch of driving to reach.
>>1073418 >She specifically recommended that I list travel as a hobby and even go so far as to put down some of the countries I've visited. It's because it might build a connection with the interviewer, and add a bit of worldliness to your personality. It could indicate some normalcy about you or a connection with other coworkers which they will like, and either simply remember you over other candidates, or think that you'd get along quite nicely with someone else there who has similar interests (or cultural background).
But, be careful how you answer a discussion about this interest. You don't want it to be your #1 in life if that's not job relevant. Talk about how it was "a great opportunity" to see something you admired since grade school (check: you get your goals done). Talk about how you did it thriftylike when it came up you had a good bargain on some part, and was able do well on something, or that you got to add some culture to a business/family reason for being there (you problem solve and make things happen). NEVER forget it's an an interview, and all things you state can go against or for you, and if you're extremely privileged, as I was in much of my early life, you tone that shit down if you aren't interviewing with someone who is a peer. Mention the continent or region, not the 38 countries you saw. Make it no big deal, just discuss what you felt might be interesting (to them and their purposes for you in this job) and keep it brief. Sometimes this chatter is just a way to hear your personality with other conversations in the workplace. It's like a psych test, truly.
>>1073468 Yeah, I am thinking the OP spilled spaghetti and answered the question in an autistic manner and did not convey how the travel made him a better person and potential employee. Probably made it seem like he was just getting the job to fund his next trip.
>>1073333 my first ever real job i only got cause of my interests. i just randomly filled in stuff eg. "sitting in front of the computer" my manager told me after they hired me that they only invited people for interviews who mentioned computers amongst their hobbies. the people they hired earlier ran away because the job was too much staring at the screen for them.
i better get my next job based on travel as the hobby lol
> cousin in Germany has 6 weeks vacation > plus a bonus 2 weeks because the uni where she works is closed Christmas to New Years > a forced 2 week paid vacation > every year
> be me living in America > work at a $750M company > projected to be $1B in two years > this is the start of my 9th year > won't get my 4th week of vacation time until next year > get a dirty look if I request more than a week off at a time > told I shouldn't feel guilty about it > implying I do
>>1074933 Christmas holiday vacation at universities are not really "paid". You get your monthly salary just the same (not wages), but it's not deducted or anything. I'm skeptical she doesn't have to use any holiday days during that time, as it's illegal. Maybe her manager quietly lets her get away with it... I work at a uni in Germany too (and have in one other state as well), and it's a similar story, except we usually have to use 4-5 days of our vacation, after accounting for public holidays and any accumulated hours of overtime.
>>1072527 >Be at interview >Interviewer and I spend 45 minutes talking about travel and swapping tips for getting around on the cheap, since she's mostly done America and I've mostly done Europe. >Receive formal offer letter less than an hour later. >Now have two free weeks, a job lined up, and a bank account in decent shape. >Guess I'm going on a trip, then.
Yeah, I think you just had a shitty interviewer OP. Don't sweat it much, but frankly I wouldn't list your interests on a resume anyhow.
>Have no work experience at age 23 >Have only left my country once, to go to Japan for an anime convention >Decide to lie on my CV and add travel for this exact reason >Assume it will make me seem worldly and that the interviewers will want to hire me >Put countries on my CV based on where I am applying >apply for McDonalds >Put Jamaica, Tajikistan, Ghana, Mongolia and Iran >all countries WITHOUT McDonalds chains >interview handed to me >pretty hyped to get my first job >interview going reasonable well >interviewer asks me for a time I have overcome a challenge >I smile and say 'read my CV. Read the names of those countries. They all have one thing in common. They have No MCDONALDS!' >go on a long rant about how I love McDonalds and have missed it whenever I travelled and now I need to work there in order to make up for the wasted years >he just looks and says 'right, OK' and writes a note in red pen >end up not getting the job >none of the interviews I had seemed interested in my travel >only got a job when I removed it from my CV and lied about volunteering
>>1076078 In your extreme story there, it's obviously irrelevant.
I wouldn't say "nobody cares", as this is patently untrue (hello, /trv/?), but it is true that most people won't be able to really relate much to it. Especially if they don't travel much, or are the kinds of people who only go to sun'n'sand resorts.
It may depend on your line of work, but I have been asked about my travels to somewhat more 'exotic' places, and this always makes for good conversation, and being able to tie into personal/work skills only helps. I don't consider it a main asset, but it has certainly served me well in the work world.
>>1076078 The whole issue with your logic is that you consider McDonalds career work or a real job in any way. Resume? CV? They just need to know your IQ is over 80, you understand the customer is always right, and you won't steal from their register.
>>1072527 >> mfw traveling is part of my job >> mfw I get 5 weeks of pto/year and often get comp time off for OT work done while traveling >> mfw even when I vacation in different countries, I can expense meeting with clients and coworkers at the branch office as "discussing biznis n shit"
My director is a fucking g-unit, knows I love to travel and just lets me fuck off to the other side of the world for weeks on end.
>>1072527 Well since I'm in sales and not a dork, I basically ace any interview, walk in with oodles of charm, flash the pearly whites and walk out with a job. In fact it's been years since I've not gotten a job straight off the bat. Just go to the interview like a confident Alpha and be in control of body language, snappy with instant rebuttals, dominate the conversation, look 'em dead in the eyes and let them know, YOU. CAN. SELL.
Do this confidently and properly, and while dressed in perfect, I mean absolutely spotless, business casual attire, face moisturized, hair done up, and mind your body language, and you will get any job you want.
Go into the interview like a snively little bitch in the one suit you own and drop spaghetti and stutter whenever your social dominance is challenged, coming back with shitty scripted responses, and you'll be treated like a bitch. Because you are a bitch.
What is on your resume literally doesn't matter. The cover letter is where you sell yourself and if you can't write one like a champ, and I mean, not like a sniveling little pussy who is "a hard worker" and needs to fall back on their education (really, who gives a shit about education), and you will ace every interview.
But then, I guess that's why there are some people exchanging stories of late night threesomes, and others clogging the Japan General insisting YOU CANT GET LAID IN JAPAN.
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