Moving to New York. Which neighborhoods / ZIP codes would be best to look for apartments where I won't have to worry about being shot or stabbed or robbed, without paying $3000 a month for rent, of course.
>Which neighborhoods / ZIP codes would be best to look for apartments where I won't have to worry about being shot or stabbed or robbed, without paying $3000 a month for rent
Move to North Jersey or Eastern PA and commute to the city.
If not 3000, then how much are you willing to spend per month (in total)? My cousin was living in Astoria with 2 kids for a while til they moved to Nashville..so I assume it's not that bad.
You might want to consider something like Jersey City, close to the path train, although rent prices are most likely about the same as in some of the "other" boroughs (not manhattan).
Astoria or Sunnyside or St. George.
You'll definitely get shot in some parts of St. George, but I think it's an underrated option for the city. Probably going to blow up soon. It's on the tip of SI, which has a free ferry 24/7 to lower Manhattan. Takes about 30 minutes.
I'll likely be working in Manhattan at an ad agency, unless I can find one that's in Brooklyn, Queens, etc. (near wherever I'd be living).
Otherwise, I'd like to be within a few blocks from a train so i don't have to walk a long time in the snow during the winter. This isn't super high priority as I'd prefer finding a short lease (6 months / month to month) and find a more permanent apartment once I get there, but with the way rentals go in NY, I doubt finding a short lease is easy.
I'd like to spend less than $1500 a month on rent. Preferably less than $1000, but I know at that low it either means living with 4 people in a tiny apartment, or living in a sketchy area that I'm not familiar with, which is what I'm trying to avoid.
New York City is a very socially progressive city. That's why there's no evidence of racial segregation on interactive census maps of the city, like this one: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/07/08/us/census-race-map.html?_r=0
is New York really as expensive compared to 40 years ago as everyone says it is? what's the reason? tourism? gentrification? does it make it a shitty place? harder to survive? kill culture?
curious if any long time residents have an opinion on the matter
New York is extremely expensive because:
1. Manhattan was overtaken by big bankers. You know, those guys who needed the government to bail them out so they could take huge bonuses. They bought/rented all the super nice apartments in manhattan and made the rent go sky high so no one else can afford it.
2. Brooklyn - Hipsters. It was a decently inexpensive place with easy access to manhattan after that had become too expensive, and after the early hipsters moved in, all the brewpubs, coffee shops, and whatever other hipster businesses moved there because they had hipster customers living there. Then after it's a happening place full of cool businesses, more rich people move there and the rent once again goes sky high. Gentrification 101.
3...as for Queens, etc. I don't know. I just know I've been to Flushing Queens and it was pretty cool, but took about an hour to get to manhattan. I'm not trying to commute to work for an hour every day by train. Kind of defeats the purpose of living there and that time could be justified with a higher rent in a closer area. Time is money, after all.
Orthodox Jewish enclave.
I wish people would shut up already about hipsters in Brooklyn. Blaming the enigmatic 'hipster' for all the boro's problems and changes is getting old.
Finding a short lease is easy if you choose to sublease. People leave for months at a time and rent their apartments out. Check the fb group 'gypsy housing'.
NYC is ridiculously expensive, and you aren't getting anything fancy with those high costs. I like living small, but these studios that cost 3k aren't even that nice. It's honestly a retarded place to live for the average person. And that extends into Connecticut and NJ. Super high prices for homes/apartments. Super high prices for public transit. Super high taxes.
There are plenty of decently sized 1-bedrooms in Queens. Astoria/Sunnyside/Woodside has tons of them for ~$1500. Those are nice neighborhoods with good transit, plenty of bars, restaurants, etc.
I moved to NYC from Seattle and didn't find prices to be that outrageous comparatively. Granted, Seattle isn't exactly cheap either. Obviously NYC isn't going to be as cheap as a place like St Louis but it's not unbearable once you leave lower Manhattan.
There are millions of families, middle class people, students, etc living here. Not everyone is a millionaire. I wouldn't want to live in Tribeca anyway even if I could afford it...
1.5k is nothing to scoff at. that's a lot of money. You're spending at least 20k a year with that price for a place to sleep. And It's a long commute for being so close to lower manhattan.
Wages are generally higher in NYC. You also save money on transportation, etc. It's a trade off.
Yeah $1,500 is not cheap. That's why most people rent a room for much less than that and live with roommates. It's a tradeoff. You could live very cheaply in Toledo, Ohio if you wanted but that's another tradeoff I'm not willing to take.
Obviously I wasn't suggesting you could commute from Toledo to NYC. I said it's cheaper to live/work in Toledo. If cost of living is your prime motivating factor for choosing a place to live and work, NYC is not where you'd want to be. There are other reasons 8 million people choose to live here.
Much less than that if you rent a room. If you want your own studio, you can find one for ~$1,000 without getting too far from civilization. It really depends on what you're looking for. It's insane how people think everyone here is rich - they aren't. This city wouldn't function if poor people couldn't live here.
Try yonkers or riverdale. As close as possible tothe river. You can take the metro north to the city or drive on the henry hudson parkway/ westside highway for west side major deegan for east side.
there are three major chinatowns, two of which are bigger than manhattans, and several minor chinatown neighborhoods. many ppl do not understand the scale of the full city. which is understandable, you cant see everything on a short visit. that said, i wouldnt rec living in a chinese building. they scream a lot and weird smells.
This is really interesting, thanks for sharing. The chicago map is pretty crazy how it's segregated. blacks south, white folk north.
Gentrified neighborhoods were never shitty. They were usually working class places, not luxury but far from dangerous.
There's a reason why people move to Brooklyn and not the Bronx
Honestly queens is the most underrated place for affordable housing...
In elmhurst i paid ~$600/month to live with three roommates. Similar in woodside.
or you can pay less than 2k for 1br somewhere for youself.
As for safety, lets just say queens is neither the safest place nor the most dangerous places. Youll be fine unless you move to jamaica.
Sunnyside woodside are nice and quiet, pretty homogenous. Elmhurst is full of Chinese and indians but its lively and entertaining
I've been living in Bushwick Brooklyn for 4 years now. I have the L train and the JMZ which both get to the city fast 15+ minutes. The area is totally safe and full of young people (25+) Night Life is amazing and the area definitely has to be one my favorites of the city. Me and my buddy split a industrial loft for 750 each. If you wanna stay on the island try harlem, upper east side. Studios on the east side can be had for around 1200+ a month. Wish you the best.
Where do you look for "industrial loft" listings?
i do not understand (at all!) people who move to harlem just to stay in manhattan.
like great, you can say you live in manhattan but you're just gonna get major side-eye if you say 'harlem'
the commute to midtown (where most jobs are) is just as far, if not farther, as commuting from queens or parts of brooklyn.
Rent controls reduce the supply of apartments keeping prices artificially high in Manhattan. Also foreigners from non-diversified economies (China, Brazil, Russia, ME) snatching up property like mad as an investment
I live in east harlem, which has become about 5x more safe in the last few years. Rents are pretty reasonable for manhattan I pay 1440 for a studio, but it's in a building that's only 4 years old, so it's extremely clean and nice and new, wifi included, doorman etc.
Commute to midtown is pretty good compared to discount outer borough neighborhoods.
Upper East Sider here. I pay 1250 per month for a little less than 400 sqft. I'm only a block from the park and ten blocks south of 96th street. My rent last year (before I resigned) was 1205.