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Is there a decent review out for PC-07, the kit that gives CW Constructicons better arms and guns? So far it seems that people are not thrilled with it for the price.
He's definitely a drop in quality compared to their last one, but still a really good toy in his own right. I mean, he's a dead on likeness to the character, and he has a TON of articulation for his size. It's just that some of his joints are surprisingly loose, and a lot of his plastic feels sort of... I don't know, thin? He was a mild letdown, but probably just because their swerve is one of my favorite transformers ever. He's great, if you don't mind the price you won't regret him.
>he's 7", all of my Prime are shorter or taller than him except hideous CW Optimus
>going to use upgrade kit on CW Optimus, which makes him about 1" taller
Being autistic about scales is special sort of suffering.
>wanting proper scale
Boy did you get into the wrong toy line.
Even now I don't know if I should aim for Hasbro Devastator with the PE kits, or go for one of the third party Devastators.
Kind of ironic the latter costs s much more than the former.
Get DX9's Hulkie. It's fully articulated and has absolutely zero partsforming between any of the modes and pulls it off at Legends scale.
>buy Legends size micro-Devy for $150
>or buy Takara Devy for $200
I mean, I can see an argument if you're severely lacking space and want a Devastator, but at THAT price, you might as well just spend the extra $50-70 get the Takara one. Or the Hasbro one, which is cheaper at most online outlets, if you don't care about elbows on some of the individual bots.
For the lack of partsforming (which is in every other iteration as far as I can recall) it's great. And the scale is good if you don't want a giant toy dominating your room. I don't want to have to pull apart my shelving to fit the Hasbro version.
So Badcube Sunsurge arrived today, pretty much perfection. Looks fantastic on my shelf alongside Sphinx and the carbots. Pretty fucking awesome year for carbots mate0s.
I hear Willis is "supposed" to be out in April, and Ironhide and Ratchet arrive Jan-Feb. That just leaves Trailbreaker (plz Badcube/FT), Cliffjumper and Jazz and I am officially done with collecting Transformers.
Kinda wish you could get the PE Superion chest upgrade for £25 shipped. It's £25+ p&p at Kapow, but for what you get that just pushes it above what I'm willing to spend. Hopefully whoever KOd the hands/feet (which are also perfect) will do that set too. £16 for the hands/feet was much more palatable.
GTFO hasblow fanboy
We all know the prices. We are here because Tacky Tomy produces toys for kids. The price difference is negligible when the alternative is a hollow, no articulation pos.
Last I checked there was still a brutal stalemate betwen Maketoys' Green Giant and TFC's Hercules for best Devastator.
Is that still the case or had a consensus finally been reached?
>The torso looks so tiny
I think it looks fine in certain shots, personally, but I certainly see where you're coming from.
It's the best legends combined we'll probably ever get and I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. No partsforming and great individual figures? I can handle maybe-slightly wonky proportions.
This one is for 3rd Party stuff (aka: Not Official Shit).
The others are just because some jerkass mod usually deletes posts from a thread long after a new one is around, or because /toy/ is a slow moving board.
>New to 3rd party
>Huge fan of transformers as a child
>See pic related
>100 american burgers per limb
>See these compared to TFC and Maketoys
>"Those must be half as much as most".
Someone please explain why these sexy, huge, seemingly flawless things are the same price as Hercules and Giant? I have nothing against the combiner bot but the individual limbs are fucking garbage for what their charging.
Does Generation Toy just use slave labor?
To each their own. At least the official one looks the most like Devastator, is bigger than both of those two, and is cheaper
Naturally, but for 100 bucks your getting a very good standalone figure that huge. That's what I dislike about combiner limbs so much. They tend to be really compromise-y for lack of a better term.
These fags actually have somewhat of a justification being 100 bucks at seven inches and no throwaway garbage modes.
I really hope Generation Toy stick around to compete with MasterJew creations and the like. If GT can deliver huge, premium, no compromises shit like this at equal price points then other third party makers will have to step their game up.
I feel like I'm turning into a shill but I'm fucking hype for the wallet rape.
Hey guys, I'm debating on getting this guy. He looks like the perfect Megatron for my Classics Optimus. Just curious if any of you guys own him and if you would recommend him
It's hard to design a combiner team that doesn't have some concessions made somewhere. You can't have everything, because they have to function as a limb, a robot, AND whatever the fuck else they turn into, and someone is always going to find something wrong with one (or even all, if it's poorly designed) modes. Somewhere, something is going to get sacrificed to make it work.
Is there a pastebin or something that's a list of all the Legends-scale 3P figures? Or can someone at least tell me all the companies that have made some? It's been a long time since I kept up with this stuff so I'm out of the loop
It's kinda like how Lolita fashion is super expensive. It's such a niche thing that companies have to charge a lot more for it because less people overall will be buying the product- making it scale more or less with regular non-niche companies.
Mostly just three companies. Iron Factory, DX9, and Shapeshift. Plus a few model kit stragglers from Warbotron.
Maketoy's is about $60 per bot. Herc's price is cheaper in ching chong land but every other reseller has to buy from Robot Kingdom similar to Perfect Effect. Whoever owns RK owns a number of the companies over there.
I fucking hate that I'm falling prey to this too. They're not even accurate to anything but the colors are so good.
Their sister company Transformission might actually pull off a good Mensasor too.
>implying all of that shit costs enough to justify $30+ price tags on Legends sized shit, or 100-200+ price tags on anything bigger
Yeah, that Miko sure is $30 worth of plastic, paint, and engineering alright.
>get PC-07 the other day
>set everything up
Pretty neat kit. It's especially nuts how close most of the guns are to the UW set, and how they all attach to the altmodes in similar ways to the UW version. Long Haul's new gloves are pretty ingenious, too. My only complaint is that Mixmaster's gun has nowhere to go in altmode unless you also have the kit with the cab cover. Weak.
This is my first upgrade kit, actually. It's pretty cool to see how the new parts worked differently for transformation. Hook has a backwards joint on his arms to attach them in altmode, and Scrapper has little tiny grooves that the little foot-tabs still attach to.
Haven't tried the set out in combined mode yet, though. I'm a little wary on how Scrapper's new arms will fare as heels.
Finally broke down and got the white, purple, and black ko PE combiner hands and feet. I realized that for $60 altogether, I wasn't gonna do much better. Hopefully they ko silver ones for Bruticus.
>he thinks the only thing factored into the price of something is how much the materials used to make it cost
Even considering engineering, there's far more expense to account for. There's research, making the steel molds, the machines that create the figures and paint them cause an exorbitant amount of money to run., then designing the packaging and finally the manual labor, things like putting the figures together, into packaging, shipping them off, ect.
>want to buy third party transformers
>consider getting a proper budget going
>see how my work/bills match to the 50/30/20 thing
>realize my rent/utilities/college bills/insurance alone are at maximum low hours months 89% goddamn percent of my bill, and 66% at its very best
>finally understand why I'm always paycheck to goddamn paycheck every month, and can barely afford one figure a month without living on Ramen and water for a week
Third Party Transformers have convinced me to get a better job.
I have him. Mine nearly falls apart if I pick him up wrong, his entire chest assembly won't tab together right. I'll probably never transform him again for fear of breaking his tank treads off, and his tank mode sucks anyway.
Personally I don't mind too much cause I don't really handle my toys much and just have em as display pieces - and I do like the way he looks.
His lacking (not KO level, but lacking) quality just makes him a tough purchase to justify.
Apollyon is supposedly super fragile. Several people have broken theirs the first time they transformed it.
On the other hand, Hegemon has clear plastic on some of his joints iirc. Not a good idea.
That's why I'm kinda thrilled about GT's take on Devy. From what I've seen everything checks out. Great aesthetics, great build quality, great articulation, great modes, etc.
It's actually kind of suspicious honestly. There's not a single third party devastator that I don't have issues with that prevent me from dipping the 500+ dollars on. I really hope the connection joints end up being solid and all.
Cautiously optimistic and all that.
Apollyon is pretty great, Transformation is fucking scary, though.
>arm/leg assemblys on super long, super thing stalks of plastic
Yeah, I can see why he breaks during transformation. Looks be damned, if you can't fulfill the simple task of making something durable for the outrageous prices asked for them, you need to go back to the drawing board.
So you think it's safe to buy their stuff over time still, or better to just go "Fuck it" and buy it whole hog?
I'm thinking of getting a Feral Rex, and blowing $600 on a fat hunk of plastic at once is kind of a hard sell, but I'm worried if I don't do that, I won't get all of him. Places like BBTS don't even have all the limbs in currently.
Finally got the hang of this beautiful bastards transformation and it's just as un-fun and finnicky as when I first opened. I think he'll be staying in robot mode for a while.
They're made for anything with 5mm ports/posts. They also don't transform and aren't based on any existing transformers.
Steel Core is an original design, too, but it's still considered 3P. The BMOG toys were obviously meant to invoke the feel of Arms Microns. Walky and his friends are just faggots that refuse to associate with third parties because "they're evil thieves" or whatever.
Didn't the BMOG people rip a bunch of people off during the Kickstarter?
I can't stand all the idiots that acts like third-party should just concentrate on doing original designs and characters. Not many are going to buy that shit at third party prices without any character sentiment or real fiction attached to it, even if the designs are really great.
Or the people that act like white knights standing up for the Transformers brand by being totally against third party, as if a multinational corporation could give two shits about them.
I still throw hundreds if not more dollars a year at Hasbro and Takara, but if there's a product out there that looks cool and fills a need in my collection, I'm going to buy it. Capitalism.
Yeah there is little incentive for them to not do popular ones. My only 3p gripe is when they shoot for G1 aesthetics all the time.
I love TF but let's not pretend G1 designs are the pinnacle of the franchise, at least not until they got into Master force or later.
True, but those aren't problems on the scale of the others with shit like "The legs are a floppy mess that can't do anything but stand upright, and barely at that".
It's a shame the other Predaking's ended up so bad, I really liked War Lord as he seemed to "fit" in more than Feral Rex with official stuff, but his leg problems turned me off pretty fast.
Ordered this bastard yesterday. First proper bot in quite a few years for me.
Fanstoys are also working on a Galvatron in the MP scale so watch out.
Igear made IDW seekers, but Maketoys is apperently making both a Megatron and Starscream as part of their MP series because the official options suck.
Godspeed. I'm the one working on the website database like a TFU.info. It's quite a slog.
It's a dirty little secret that these usually don't sell that fast. Not sure if it's still the case but the margins used to be good enough that you could afford to sit on them if they were selling slowly.
>Or the people that act like white knights standing up for the Transformers brand by being totally against third party, as if a multinational corporation could give two shits about them.
those companies also steal ideas and such constantly, so fuck em when it happens to them. It's like feeling sympathy for some rich pop singer twat with a car collection crying because he thinks MP3 downloading is losing him money. Nah, no.
>My only 3p gripe is when they shoot for G1 aesthetics all the time.
I'm with you on this, there should be more non-G1 stuff, but the reality is that that's the main audience here, people who grew up with G1
Also I think one reason why they stick to G1 is cause its easier to design for. I cant see many of these companies producing movie designs or anything like that
My gripe is when they use G1 designs but there's so much artistic liberty that it barely looks like the character (Maketoys) or the designs are okay but then they fuck up the colors (tfclub)
I don't want movie designs, but some Beast Wars with updated visuals (like Leonidas) or more comic looking stuff would be nice.
I still like most G1 designs, but then the majority are (overly) popular characters like Prime, Megatron, Devastator, etc.
FR can stand but manipulating him gets hard as he is notably heavy. The footpads from Catilla help, but if don't have those I recommend getting rubber stick on pads for the feet to keep his legs more stable.
War Lord's thighs are too loose and Ares can't hold his own weight anywhere.
Most combiners seem to have foot slippage issues though, official or 3P it seems. You just can't really put them on slick surfaces, you need cloth or rubber pads, or whatever as long as it isn't slick. I've got book shelves I display stuff on, and they're "rough" enough to prevent slippage.
Sell off those apollyon now!
>tfw no 3rd party has attempted to do not only an accurate Megatron that won't fall the fuck apart due to shitty design choices, but haven't made all his panels removeable to showcase all his inner workings as shown during the Unicron sequence in the 86 movie
>but haven't made all his panels removeable to showcase all his inner workings as shown during the Unicron sequence in the 86 movie
Real talk, anon, that gimmick would be tight as fuck. I would gladly take that over dumb plot-device-of-the-week accessories
>>tfw no 3rd party has attempted to do not only an accurate Megatron that won't fall the fuck apart due to shitty design choices, but haven't made all his panels removeable to showcase all his inner workings as shown during the episode Perceptor and Brawn shrank down and went inside him
How large is the MP line?
Pic is the last Transformers toy that I ever got
Been waiting for a good Starscream and Galvatron since I was a little kid
>Generations WFC Starscream, he's the best seeker mold
>best seeker mold
Awkward proportions, part of the really bad hollow price guaging of 2012. It's not even a decent tetrajet (Cybertron's voyager mold is better). When I finally got the figure in hand, I was really disappointed.
Although to be fair, the 3P legends sized version does look pretty good.
more or less game accurate
>part of the really bad hollow price guaging of 2012
Not really, it was part of the second wave, only the first wave had hollow parts issues. Just comparing the parts count between Starscream and Shockwave and you can see that
>It's not even a decent tetrajet (Cybertron's voyager mold is better)
It's got some under kibble, yeah, but again, it's game accurate
it's probably the most articulated G1 Starscream toy too. not counting 3P of course
I dunno. In hand, FoC Starscream was a huge letdown. Generations Armada is a superior toy, IMO. Or the FE Prime Starscream. Or the Energon Starsccream. Or the Cybertron Voyager Starscream. Or the Animated Starscream. Or....
>Or the Energon Starsccream
stop talking shit
>Or the Animated Starscream
STOP TALKING SHIT
I think I have to keep him in vehicle mode though. I'm a huge fan of Metal Slug and this thing just about checks all the boxes.
The Metal Slug alt mode is the reason I'm getting this. Kinda wish more third party figures had alt modes that evoke videogame vehicles, really want a Vic Viper or R-9A Arrowhead transformer.
MakeToys' Blindfire comes very close.
He's got wheels iirc, but the treads do not work. partly because of how they need to move to transform. It wouldn't be impossible (Maketoys' Hardhead pulls it off well from the pictures I've seen), but it'd push up the parts/complexity/price a fair bit.
So he can't even move in tank mode? The fuck. Even Hasbro shoves tiny little wheels on non-moving tread tankbots.
Not a dealbreaker by any means, but for $85 bucks I'd expect him to be able to roll...
Nope, just as available as the Impactor version. Which is cool, given that Turmoil is a character that's a) not 80s G1, b) only gotten a handful of comic appearances c) doesn't even really have a fandom either.
If he was a bit less black and closer to the really dark brown of the comics, he'd pop a bit more. That said, I think he's cool as-is.
I have no allegiance to the source material but black on black on black looks...unfinished.
I know photos don't always do bright or dark toys well but an all black bot is a hard sell for me.
Still a killer looking figure though.
Yes but the only bit of combiner bit on him is a piston that covers the leg/elbow gap that doesn't get in the way.
It's hard to pull off yeah I'd agree. In comics that shit works because you can just lay down lighting and colored panels and all sorts of shit to make it work, but IRL a pure black anything is gonna look bad in a lot of photo's.
> Someone finally is making a MP Scourge
> It's a stiff looking way too toyetic POS
Being a syrup slurper is suffering. It's gotten to the point where I just order everything from Japan because that exchange rate isn't as bad and shipping to Canada is always retarded no matter where it's coming from.
>little iddy bitty tires
>tiny baby fenders over front wheels
>retardedly huge smoke stacks
>back end/legs not designed in any way whatsoever to look like the real back end of a truck
>How large are MP transformers?
Depends. Guys like Optimus, Starscream or Soundwave are leader class size, Galvatron would be too. The car transformers are deluxe to voyager size.
Star Saber and Ultra Magnus are close to supreme size
So exactly how many 3P-related Bruticus are there?
It's available in a boxset for about $420 or so, actually a few places have it on sale for $300-something now.
They are re-releasing them now individually, but if you want the set, get the box set.
I don't understand how so many of these companies could spit out combiner teams but not offer box sets (with a bit of discount) for them. Feels ridiculous to try and track everything down individually months after releases.
Until recently, I'd say people were afraid to go in on super-high price tag items. Stores were probably hesitant to stock them.
It's only now that the scene is so established that producers and stores feel okay dealing with items over $200.
If you go all the way back to something like Hercules, people were not even sure it would finish. Each release basically funded the next one.
But you are right, there's no reason they couldn't make a box set later on.
Because people are stupid and can't budget. That's why everyone will get 100 dollar limbs once every couple months but say "lol to expensive" when a boxset that costs the same or less then they eould individually.
These things are announced months or YEARS in advance and they can't get their finances sorted out in time?
Speaking of can't budget, I always find it weird when you see people complain that something got delayed because they won't have the money for it. I'd get it if something came out early, as you have not had time to save. But I guess these people will just spend that money on something else if that toy doesn't hit and then be SOL when it does hit.
But hey, I do get that hundreds of dollars IS a lot of money for spending on TOYS, particularly if it isn't your main hobby. Budgeting isn't easy when you have less money, but some people feel just plain foolish.
It's not always so advantageous to buy in bulk. Gravity Builder by Generation Toy, for example, can all be preordered for 600 dollars right now and comes with their take on megaton for free.
I don't know if all the toys are as good as the one I've seen, so it makes sense to dip 100 bucks in per limb so I don't end up with shit.
Established gestalts should totally fucking offer a discounted box set though. There's no incentive to buy them all at once when they haven't released them yet. It's effectively a kickstarter at that point.
These are the same morons who complain about the timing of the Botcon venue announcements, as if they couldn't have just been saving $50-$100 in a fund all year in anticipation of it, or still have the money anyway if it turned out they couldn't make it for whatever reason.
> How the heck am I supposed to save with this little notice?!
> It's. Every. Year.
Well, unless this is the last year, but that's another discussion.
But yeah, most preorders windows initially open up what, around six months in advance?
Sometimes I have to remind myself that I'm in a fandom about grown men who play with toys. It's not so unthinkable to imagine that some of the people here might not be fully mature, responsible adults.
>I just spent 100 dollars on a third party combing limb and locking myself into an autistic obligation to blow an additional 500 dollars.
Current Hasbro scale in inches, is around Legends 5, Deluxe 6, Voyger 7, Leader around 9.
Those are rough estimates, it will be different depending on the actual figure. Some will be a bit shorter, some taller. Head kibble (ie: big antenna's, stuff like Insecticon jaws, etc) usually doesn't count for it's size, but obviously can affect the size because a 7" figure with an extra inch of antenna isn't gonna fit in a 7 1/2" display case.
Which one? That sounds like Feral Rex, and he's actually really good overall, from what people have told me.
>want Feral Rex box set to hopefully save a bit of dosh
>Nope only thing out there is some fucking awful Edgemaster color scheme when all anyone wants is the proper G1 Predaking colors
I bought the guy in the center. Not Scrapper.
Just remember they vary. I think more Legends cleave towards 4 1/2" than 5. And the sizes don't also really reflect how much BIGGER the next size up is. A Deluxe isn't just taller, he's much wider too than a Legends, and so on and so forth.
Now this isn't a particularly great pic or anything, but it does show a Legend's (Shockwave) next to a Voyager (Soundwave) and a Leader (Megatron) in pretty close proximity to show the size difference. Ironhide back there is a Deluxe, but since he's further back I don't think he's a good judge...
The whole set was going for $250 on Black Friday and they still didn't sell all of them out. My biggest beef is the complexity getting in the way of solid transformations, lack of range on the knees, and how thin he looks from the side when using the cannon as a bow. There's like a $10 add on part in the works that allows you to stick part of the cannon on the back to fill it out.
It's easier to swallow and justify $100 every few months than it is $500 in one go. Manufacturing wise the company recoups costs per figure per release. Since they don' manufacturer in as large of quantities it would take a lot longer for 5 figures to come out of one their factories at the same time. Historically it's also allowed them to correct defects with subsequent releases or replacement parts included with the next few members if something goes wrong with one.
>Let's have Feral Rex but with Skywarp colors.
My first 3P toy came in yesterday, the planet x not-grimlock, and I am blown away. Are all third party releases this good? If they are, I might switch from first to third party entirely, just the quality of plastic alone is so much better.
Also, are the rest of the planet x dinos worth getting?
Not all of them are very good, but the bigger named ones tend to be pretty outstanding to justify the price.
The other planet x dinos seems to be just as good. I've been tempted by them.
I personally prefer no wheels, as otherwise it might compromise the gorgeous tread sculpt. In general vehicles not being able to roll doesn't really both me though.
However, the turret does rotate and the barrel can pivot up and down so it's not like he's just a straight brick.
Quantron is really great. He has some definite shortcomings, like looking a bit too thin in combined mode from some angles, and some scary transformation parts, but other than that I like him a whole lot. The whole team is excellent as well.
>I personally prefer no wheels, as otherwise it might compromise the gorgeous tread sculpt
I don't really see how putting a few tiny wheels somewhere on the 'bot so he can move would be compromising much, if anything.
Vulcun is Planet X's best figure so far, but the other dinobots are still pretty decent. They also tend to use good, dense plastic. Not all the other companies have that sort of feel but many do.
Oh man I don't know. That's gonna be totally subjective.
MY top 5 that I own are:
- Quakewave, got into 3p stuff and I just love everything about him
- Demolitioon Crue
Although, I'd probably include Iron Factory's whole Legends-scale line. And that is definitely up there too. But they're sort of in their own class I guess.
He was superposable for 1995 (two-axis shoulders, head rotates, single elbows, bicep swivel, waist, universal hips, single knees), but nothing all that special by today's standards - most obviously, he's missing thighs, ankles, and wrists.
>Like official Takara Masterpiece? They're making one of those?
Been living under a rock, anon? it looks good!
I definitely prefer the official one's color. That soft, matte purple is just delicious.
When you get him definitely report. I don't double dip on the same character but need a Shockwave.
>He has to compete with Quakewave
I think it should be the other way around. MP Shockwave looks even more cartoon accurate than Quakers
>220 american dollars on TF source
>Two Hundred and Twenty Dollars (220$)
>You could buy Quakewave/MP soundwave and a Fansproject headmaster for this money.
>You could buy a Commodus and Fansproject's Assaulter with this money
>You are 120 dollars away from being able to buy Quantron in its entirety
>B-But it's big!
Blown up legends tier quality garbage.
they actually look like the characters, the transformations aren't more complicated than they need to be, and the combined mode holds together way better than ANY third party combiner I've handled
the only shitty things about it are possibly its size if you want FP/MT like scale and Mixmaster.
Hardly. It's too fucking big, the toys are too simple for their size, It has shit proportions (*8 mile long legs), and you can do so much better for that price point in term of what you can get.
That's just wrong evening factoring cost. Green Giant is plenty huge and immensely more quality than Devy in both complication and detail. Herc is going to be ousted by Generation Toy for King Shit of big expensive devastators with each limb so far being phenomenal.
Vulcan is the best of their Dinobots, they've more or less been getting better with each release. I have the full set and love them, but it might be a bit of a little shock to go from Grimlock back to Swoop.
>They look like the characters
Because G.Giant and Hercs limbs are unrecognizable, right? The official crew look like cheap playschool legends figures while 3p crews try to make theirs stand out or go for the comic aesthetics.
>Transformations not being overly complicated
They can't be. It's three or four step legends tier.
>Holds together better
I would fucking hope so. Afterthought vehicle modes, shitty bot modes that are both huge and anemic looking at the same time like an upscaled knock off of a legends toy, and even bad looking limb modes better fucking have a solid connection.
Giant is mostly fine. Except Bonecrusher which is way off in robot mode. TFC is trash. A bunch of the headsculpts are wrong, the entire green color is wrong, Scavenger and Bonecrusher don't have the correct chests. Official one still has FAR more likeness to the cartoon designs compared to either of them. If they got rid of the hollowness and made Long Haul and Mixmaster more accurate they'd practically be MP tier.
>They can't be. It's three or four step legends tier.
Yeah but that's all they need. Overfiddly crap for basic G1 characters just for a result that doesn't even look like the character that well is what's making me lose interest in 3P.
> Afterthought vehicle modes
only Hook and Mixmaster have mediocreish alt modes. Everyone else is fine.
>If they got rid of the hollowness and made Long Haul and Mixmaster more accurate they'd practically be MP tier.
You have extremely low standards, which is totally fine. I wouldn't be spending 100 dollars per limbx6 on GT's Fravity builder set if I didn't have really high fucking standards on what makes a good toy.
Build quality, intricate transformations that take more than 5 seconds, and no compromises take precedent for me over G1 slavish accuracy.
Most of the aesthetic deviation is the company trying to separate themselves from other 3P's attempts. It's a lot easier to make your Not Devastator different rather than the best.
CW Devastator reeks of compromises (In bot and vehicle modes) for the sake of the final product which is aesthetically painful for me. It's gangly looking and is very clearly huge for the sake of huge rather than intent. This isn't okay when so much is sacrificed to make the gestalt the feature presentation. It holds together well because it weighs nothing as a result of the hollow cheapness of it all.
I'm glad you like it and I'm not condescending when I say that. You get off paying 220 dollars for something I'm going to pay 600 for. That's great. But CW Dev is just sub par. Please spend the rest of the money you saved not buying a 3rd party devastator on something decent and make me feel better.
I'm currently watching a KO DIA/Powered Commander set for Classics Prime, and my only concern is the quality of the KOs of that set; is the plastic quality/tolerances good? Paint apps reasonably accurate/not shitty? Also related, the left shoulder on my prime is loose as fuck, can't even hold the windvane gun at any angle, can I either disassemble/pose the shoulder a certain way to get some polish in there, or there a screw to tighten?
>Think Perfect Effect's Not Leo Convoy is just the sexiest fucking thing ever
>Apparent QC issues with loose joints
>Want to but don't want a shit toy.
I owned Quakewave, it is a fine figure but it's definitely not up to par with the level of cartoon accuracy most MPs are putting up. Also, the official one not only looks more accurate, it also doesn't partsform.
>transformations that take more than 5 seconds
CW Bonecrusher does some pretty neat tricks for transformation, and is fairly involved.
I'll give you Scrapper and Mixmaster, though- they're pretty easy to transform.
>Weak elbow joints that can't support the lion in beast mode
>Weak tail joints that flop if the joints are vertical
>The ass-gun armatures pop off the ass plate super easy
>The waist tilt is super jiggly and shakes too easy
So there's this, in case you hadn't heard yet. Pretty psyched imo.
I don't know that FoC Starscream needs a new figure. And I love PX, but I'll have to see how their Prime stacks up against the Second Chance FoC line.
Glad to see them making more, but those two don't particularly excite me right now. The HasTak seeker is good enough for me, and I'm just not a big fan of FoC Optimus. If it was WfC Optimus, I'd be more stoked. But hey, this might really impress me once we see the actual toys.
I'd really like an Insecticon trio from them.
FUCK Fall of Cybertron Prime, he's already getting a new toy. just give me an accurate WFC Prime, it's the superior design!
>Tons of greeble
>Tons of QC issues
>All that parts-forming
>Onslaught's trailer detaches and isn't a part of his robot mode
This is easily the shittiest Bruticus out there. I own the Warbotron Bruticus, Collosus, MBC Millitary Titans, G1 Bruticus, and the CW Bruticus. Warbotron Bruticus is the only one I've ever seriously considered selling.
I like the vehicle kibble for the same reason I like Devastator's design. It's cool and menacing for a giant robot to be so crudely assembled from a bunch of war vehicles.
What I don't get is why his arms follow this trend but the legs are just a tank and a jeep stood vertically. It's aesthetically clashing.
>What I don't get is why his arms follow this trend but the legs are just a tank and a jeep stood vertically. It's aesthetically clashing.
It makes sense, arms are shorter than legs. that's why the legs dont transform, to be as long as possible and to have good proportions
doesnt save the aesthetic of the set though, it's a fuckin mess
People keep saying Generation Toy/Transformission are offshoots from Warbotron, and Warbotron were offshoots from TFC.
I don't see it. Generation Toy's greeble is in the fine details of the alt mode picked out with lots of paint and colors. Transformission is a little less busy accurate to comic styling. Neither are being retarded with combiner elbows. Not at all like the mess that are the Warbotron combiners.
I like messes. Again, that's my favorite part of Devastator. He's very crudely assembled from moderately exploded and reformed construction vehicles with specific kibble all over him. I would hate a 'clean' devastator with no shovel foot, mixing drum shin, scoop shoulder, crane scarf, etc. It's what makes the dude uniquely him is how messy and utilitarian he looks.
Bruticus is like, halfway there. His arms look good with the helicopter blade and crooked shuttle. His drab military color scheme is also pretty good. But I can't get over how freaking boring the legs are. If they naturally bent and squashed down like Devastator's legs it would look a bit better I think.
This is all before the QC issues, of course.
IIRC KFC is XTB and they've rebranded multiple times to save face over their disastrous QC, like Badcube did after Huff. There was a huge shitstorm with Omnigonix using a KFC factory to make their not-sunstreaker and people questioning their ownership.
The Warbotron Guys are rumored to have fucked off from TFC because they didn't like being owned by Robot Kingdom. This explains their western focus and why their shit got knocked off so quickly. But the scale, design, and detailing doesn't really feel like TFC beyond choosing to start with Combiners TFC haven't done yet.
Generation Toy and Transformission are "sisters companies" so to speak but if they shot off from Warbotron they took the talent with them. Their Devastator is more like a revamped Giant.
MMC is Ocular Max and had some hand in Mech Ideas
Fansproject and Maketoys share designers and a factory so they might as well be sister companies.
UT and DX9 are related somehow.
Robot Kingdom owns a lot of companies like Perfect Effect, TFC, the late Igear, and I think Planet X. They're the distributor for a number of releases which is why the markup is so high for every other outlet and they get their shit first. There was some bad blood between them and Maketoys/Fansproject/MMC over selling or making KO's of their stuff which is why they don't sell their product on Robot Kingdom's site.
Of all the 3rd party Shockwaves I've seen I can't really say there's a super appreciable difference in them. None of them take huge design liberties, they pose mostly the same, have mostly accurate colors and shapes, etc. They seem mostly interchangeable to me.
>Really like brainstorm
>Really want Smartrobin
>Absolutely hate the orange face
>People scalping the fuck out of that exclusive mouthplate helmet
It's not shocking when you think about it. How many people have all of the following:
>the skill to design toys
>interest in Transformers
>connections in China for production
>connections with retailers to sell the product
Although, I don't know if the scene being so small if that makes the fact that so many companies are doing the same stuff make more sense, or make it all the more egregious.
I guess everyone rushes to make the definitive X transformer set so it becomes the thing to get. Got to make all dat nostalgia money.
People are still making devastators despite Herc and Green Giant being the guys to get for years and Hasblow releasing their giant piece of shit.
>Any good 3p Nemesis Prime figures?
Maketoys made one if you like stylized designs. This is deluxe sized and comes with a trailer.
Toyworld made are more classicly styled version that is voyager sized.
What most people tend not to get is that most 3rd parties aren't "companies" per say. It's just one guy with money, and sometimes some connections here and there, paying freelancers to do whatever he wants (and yes, there's only a handful of designers behind all the 3rd party products).
KFC is XTB only if you consider that the owner (Keith the thief) is the whole companies by himself.
MMC isn't Ocular Max, they just happen to be the only ones who used these designers.
MI is/was the personal company of one of the regular designers MMC uses.
Fansproject and Maketoys don't share designers. MakeToys is a one man army funded by a former FP designer who left the company years ago. He's still friend with FP and use them for their connections with the factory and for distribution. That guy is also working as a freelancer for an official japanese company releasing licenced stuff (not TT).
UT / DX9 are the same as KFC / XTB.
RK does own PE and PX but not TFC. TFC uses RK just like MT uses FP. Also, the RK issue with MT, FP and MMC isn't about the KOs but some behind the scene moves where RK tried to become the only distributor for every 3rd party products in Asia.
It depends on several variables including: how much money the owner of the company is ready to put on the project, who's contracted to conceive the figure, what factory is used, at what time of year the figure is produced...
As someone who is a MASSIVE hamhands and owns Apollyon, he's actually not that fragile at all. You've really got to be a dumbass to break it.
The transformation is scary, but I've done it many times and never had a problem. The plastic is really good quality, and the long thin stalks are made of metal anchored to metal, not plastic. His transformation is scary, but he's really not any more or less fragile than any other transformer ever, 3rd party or otherwise.
Great looks, lots of play value, pretty big for his price.
Shit articulation, partsforming, subpar vehicle mode(s), not a very good core figure.
Overall I like it. He'll never go in altmode or take take his armor off though.
Yeah, he looks good in "Fallen" mode, everything else is kind of crappy. I sold mine awhile back. As with many third party figures, they were initially decent, but I'd rather sell and then see if something better comes along.
>Hercules was king shit 3p devastator
>Green Giant comes along with cheaper bots, a smaller size, but more detail and intricacy for good competition for Hercules.
>Toyworld making a new Devastator
>Generation Toy making a new Devastator
>Actually Hasbro making a new Devastator
The choices, yo.
Wait do you mean the KO or the actual G2 Takara remold? There's a bunch of third party kits like the Dr. Wu set and the KFC poseable hands. I recommend the hands to get across the edge.
He has all the standard points of articulation but thet're hindered by his design. Examples: shoulders hindered by pegs and size, no wrist swivel (though the hands are pcc pegs, so you can place the sideways), shallow ball joint for feet is basically useless, etc.
I keep him because I like the look of it, and the pcc system makes for some fun fanmodes.
He's hard to recommend unless you know exactly what you're in for and are okay with the flaws. which there are a lot of.
His big problem is plastic tolerances. Some joints are way too tight (wrists) and others are way too loose (one of his pauldrons and one of his toes is pretty loose on mine) and aside from the wrists, it seems pretty inconsistent from reviews I've seen which joints you'll have problems with. You'd think some of them could be fixed by tightening/loosening screws but in some cases, it does literally nothing and in others, the screws will loosen themselves back up. He also has some tabs that can be stubborn and might need some shaving down to fit where they're supposed to. Not a big deal since they don't result in any noticeable visual changes in either mode. Another issue is his cannon has a rather confusing feature to open up at the barrel. It doesn't seem to serve any purpose and the thing can flip open while you're trying to pose him. Honestly, I'm probably just gonna glue mine closed because it's a feature that does fucking nothing for either mode. The tank treads on his back could have been a bit better engineered to tab into his upper back better but otherwise, they're held in by some friction plugs in his lower back. I don't have any problems with them falling out or anything but because the only support they have is his lower back, they tend to flop and sag a little. His tank mode is pretty meh but that's largely the fault of the design it's based on, which it is otherwise pretty faithful to, though some of the previously mentioned issues make it a little floppy as well. Transformation also just isn't that much fun.
Basically, I can't recommend him if you're looking for a fun Megs toy to play with, however, if all you're looking for is a great looking Megs to pose and display, then he might be for you as he does look fantastic in bot mode and none of the joint problems I've seen really get in the way of posing.