What is the reasoning behind all members of a race being able to handle a particular weapon, that is unique to their culture?
Do Human cultures ever have a special weapon like that, in setting or in real life? Aside from hunter-gatherer societies using primitive weapons, it's usually an elite warrior class that is expected to wield specialised weapons with complex technique. Yet the point of the racial weapon proficiency is that they aren't simple weapons that are easy to pick up.
That doesn't make sense. Those cultures (besides maybe Americans lmao) don't actively encourage the training with those weapons are part of the every-man's culture. Rather, those are weapons of the military classes. Cultural proficiency should only be given to cultures in which the average member is trained.
It really depends on how ingrained it is to the specific culture.
Quite a few folk dances I learned as a kid originate from knife fighting techniques with a Navaja. The Navaja itself being adapted from a modified medieval shaving razor, as it was the only blade Romani men were allowed to carry in many Italian, Spanish and French cities.
Typing that out makes it sound trashy. And it is.
The Kirpan for Sikhs is another good example, as Gatka is still widely practiced as a martial art, directly involved with the knife and the culture.
>Pistol for American.
Or a shotgun. Or a rifle.
What type of gun is considered the "cultural standard" is different depending on the part you're from. Generally, shotguns are considered the most ubiquitous gun to own where I'm from.
It's a game mechanic thing.
As in, you're getting a few bonuses to stats, a few penalties to others, a few frills, and a d8 weapon your class might not otherwise be proficient in, while sacrificing some skill points a free feat.
As game mechanic things go, it isn't one of the less logical. Some of these fantasy cultures are pretty uniform and warlike.
Bushmen and boomerangs!
>Cultural proficiency should only be given to cultures in which the average member is trained.
It'd make more sense to give you an extended choice of proficiencies during development that befit your characters role in that society, but that'd be more text to write. Easier just to say, "every dwarf is proficient with a pickaxe and beer keg, just cuz."
I totally agree. It comes down to the level of granularity you want in your cultures, or how much you talk to your GM when making a character. For a lot of gaming groups or settings, its quite little.
in nz bushmen are africans like the south african san or zulu, and aborigine is used for the ones with boomerangs.
Yes; see pic related.
Archery is difficult, so it makes sense to literally require everyone (read: all free males) to learn how to fight with a longbow, if that's a key part of your military strategy. Other races/cultures with other key weapons may differ on weapon choice, but the idea is the same.
Yeah but to be fair the klingons are kinda in a post apocalyptic time ever since their cultural revolution started the whole "everyone is a warrior" thing.
Shit its a wonder they get anything right.
>Do Human cultures ever have a special weapon like that
the universal weapon
guns are just long range spears
swords are just spears with long blades and short handles
The few Klingons we see who aren't warriors either don't fight at all (on-screen) or when they do they don't have options for what weapon they use.
That said, a lot of Klingon warriors seem to only carry pistol + dagger, so it's probably something more like katanas in (medieval) Japan; the vast majority of Klingon warriors (and probably a decent number of non-warriors, if they can manage) have had some kind of basic training in using a Bat'leth whether or not they plan on using it as their primary weapon.
Worf has extensive training/practice/whatever with a Bat'leth because he's a huge Klingonaboo, and a lot of the high ranking Klingons have as well because it seems to be the go-to weapon for settling political disputes (publicly, at least) so they want to be good enough to not embarrass themselves (and not die).
In RPGs, it's an abstraction for ease of use. Not every member of that race is proficient in it (in most cases), but PCs from that race get it because it's assumed they've had some basic combat training and if you're doing that you might as well throw in some practice with OUR SUPER SPECIAL WEAPON THAT'S TOTALLY THE BEST YOU GUYS.
Note that pretty much every Klingon not raised and steeped in Klingon warrior culture (including Worf's Klingaboo antics) has REALLY SUCKED at using the bat'leth and the springy daggers and everything else.
Most notably the half-Romulan kids in that prison colony and Alexander.
They didn't bother to put in long hours of practice, so they had no idea how to use this cumbersome and bizarre weapon.
Hell, the average Klingon really isn't that impressive with their bat'leth. Probably, because they slacked off as teenagers.
>the average Klingon really isn't that impressive with their bat'leth. Probably, because they slacked off as teenagers.
Yeah it certainly has nothing to do with it being such an impractical and difficult to use weapon.
...that's my point? It's a dumb weapon, so if you don't REALLY practice, like to a stupid degree, you'll be so-so at best.
Unless you're Dax, of course, who claims to have learned all her Klingon martial arts in her Jadzia lifetime, but I guess she was a prodigy or something.
I think that mostly has to do with the fact that she's a trill- even if she learned it all in her current body's lifetime, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the symbiote can apply previous training to new experiences to allow her to pick up the basics much more quickly and build on them faster.
The Franks or proto-frogs were named after the throwing axes they specialised in.
Yugoslavia was named after the "Yugo" AK-47 variant they produced during the cold war.
One of the daxes was a serial killer after all.
>specialised weapons with complex technique. Yet the point of the racial weapon proficiency is that they aren't simple weapons that are easy to pick up.
Another part where DnD goes pants on head retarded. The notion of simple/martial/exotic weapons doesn't really hold up in reality. The shit that got used, sword,s axes, maces, spears, and so on and so on is basic and straightforward to get started on, anyone can stab and cut and smash just like anyone will be able to punch, kick and bite.
The complexity is when you try to get really good at it. Just like with boxing and wrestling and so on. Not because the weapon is hard to use, but because fighting is a complex business.
The weapons that are difficult to pick up and get started with aren't there for fighting, they're there for martial artists who put all the weight on artist to hold exhibitions with, or to ensure everyone's a bumbling, clueless noob in a judicial duel.
I thought Kirpan was largely a catch all term for bladed weapon? Like, carrying a small knife or a full sized sword but fulfill the Kirpan requirement, so long as both are explicitly weapons for defending those in need.
>Yugoslavia was named after the "Yugo" AK-47 variant they produced during the cold war.
The problem with games like DnD is that they're set up to be a fantasy theme park where each race is basically a class. Elves are long lived and intelligent and fey and shit, dwarves like axes and mining and beer and are Scottish, no matter how they try not to do that every so often. You can have a balanced Dwarven society but then it's just a short Human society.
Well, fuck you very much, google. Picture related.
It's not hard, have some examples.
Conscription. Every able member of a race goes through mandatory military training. A part of that training includes at least rudimentary familiarity with the weapon in question. (Bow, pike)
Law. The judicial duel is a legitimate and popular part of jurisprudence, and is traditionally fought with the weapon in question. Thus most able members of the culture are trained in its usage. (Falchion, dueling shield)
Tradition. The race has a military-minded culture, which the weapon symbolizes. Being trained with the weapon signifies prestige, social rank, military connections, or simply ambition. (Katana, sabre)
They're still proficient with them, in the meaning of being able to handle the weapon without embarrassing themselves.
I always interpreted racial skills/proficiencies as simply "incredibly common"
In terms of race specific equipment, that it's specifically designed to their anatomy, along with some sort of magical quality.
Not only do most cultures have a hallmark weapon, some were actually identified by their weapons. iirc, France got its name due to an old word for lance, and the Saxons are named after a short sword.
Here's a 1922 encyclopedia article on Yugoslavia.
Further, the word Yugoslav is from the 1850s.
>Do Human cultures ever have a special weapon like that, in setting or in real life?
That's because Dax is the equivalent of a real world "all cultures are equal, but some are more equal than others and I'll idolize one of the more primitive and generally horrible ones" liberal. The sort of western women who wears an islamic body bag because it's "empowering". She even marries one of her pet noble savages.
Dude, her literal former life was the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire.
The first really successful one, who got them to sign the Khitomer Accords.
Because he learned their culture and gained their respect.
Her NOT being a huge Klingaboo would be what's silly.
(though she obviously got the Klingon whammy pretty bad, given that Ezra was way more willing to point out the massive flaws in Klingon society and government, even though Jadzia almost certainly recognized them as well, particularly given that bit where she was reciting her mother-in-law-to-be's family history)
This always impressed me about us. You think about the math involved with calculating a throw -- the weight of the object, the force with which you throw it, all the minuscule motions starting from the feet and the stance and going all the way up the torso, out the shoulder, into the arm, and right down to the way the object is held and how the fingers interact wit the object, what the eyes perceive and how we judge distance and figure out the arc.
And we do all that in a fraction of a second and with a casual toss, and we fucking land it.
Any Irish schoolboy or girl likely knows how to fuck someone up with a hurley, either in melee or beaning them with a small rock-hard ball from across the pitch.