MtG Modern General

It is a delicate dance when you play Eldrazi. At every single moment you must constantly be calculating the optimum use of your spells. You are not limited by something ancient like mana. You are limited by your own intelligence and cleverness.

Thought-Knot Seer means you have to know every other deck's spells and game plan. It's all or nothing. Eldrazi players have to be better at the game than other people.

Bad control and no late game. A reward Wizards put into the game for experienced players.

>>45384055
*tips PT coverage*

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Leave the Reality Smashers to me.

>>45384110
What's the point of suggesting cards that are only good in that one matchup?

>>45384162

because the format is going to be 90% Eldrazi.

>>45384198
And playing defenders wins you the game how?

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>>45384245

Stall the game until the opponent dies of old age.

>>45383998
>>45384110
just use loyal sentry

>>45384281
Or starts dropping Endless Ones that are at least 6/6, which they can do turn 3.

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What snowflake brews are you making currently? Pic related for me. Gonna play around with it while I wait for modern to stop sucking eldrazi weiner

>>45384404
You're running Painter's Servant with that, right?

>>45384415
Haven't put a list together yet. I think I'll just put in big green dudes though

RW is the best color combination. Discuss.

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>>45383998
>>45384110
best goddamn wall.

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>>45384404
Not exactly my idea, but I've been tinkering around with this idea.
Conclusions;
>monored
Fastest. Goes wide. Gets shredded by blockers and removal.
>RG with CoCo
Slow. Can endstep CoCo, untap and win out of blue though.
>RX (this one)
I think this one is the best against interaction.

>>45384527
Only excuse to play RW is legacy imperial painter. Grixis masterrace.

>>45384404
Mardu Ghostway

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mardu-ghostway/

Just cause I needed a RWB deck fill out my RWx Trifecta. Also, Mardu Burn looked boring.

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>>45384603
Speaking of mardu, I tried to make RWB Young Pyro/Lingering Souls pile. Really really wanted to play Butcher of the Horde, because that card is damn adorable. That lifelink +1/+1 counter on each creature angel whatever it was called could be a better fit over sad sorin (which I'm already not sure about).

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>>45384527
I prefer g/w but respect your opinion

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going to my first FNM. how fucked am I with this deck?

>>45384747
probably 1-3

>>45384747
>>45384747
UG turbo fog? I like it. Have you tried going bant for wraths?
Where's your Mikikoro

>>45384747
Also Jace Beleren is the planeswalker you should be running.

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>>45384747
This is what I am running. What's missing from the pic is 4 dawn charm and 4 path. Also the 3 rites of flourishing are stand in for 3 dictate of kruphix.
Fogs
>dawn charm
Counters bolts as well as fogs
>riot control
Prevents all damage so it counters burn and gains life
>fog
Fog
>cryptic
Slow durdly fog
>jace aot
+ is a fog
Tbh white gives you access to better fogs and solid removal and wraths. It's needed

>>45385858
>>45384747
Also I stopped running elixir as a win con. It's too unreliable as eldrazi has 4 mainland relics. Now I just run a 67 card deck and draw them out.

>>45385902
>>45385858
Derp I'm an idiot it's over 75 cards

What's the memiest but most competitive deck a person can assemble using only cheap cards or Legacy-playable cards (and shocks)
Cheap means $40-$50 per playset at most on the shitty meme cards that aren't playable in real formats.
I'm thinking of just building turbofog to annoy people

>>45386313
Eggs?

>>45386313

Zombie Infestation.

>>45386313
Stompy

>>45386313

Mono Green Stompy
Emeria Control
Takin'Turns
8whack

>>45386313
>Cheap means $40-$50 per playset at most on the shitty meme cards that aren't playable in real formats.

Stompy.

>>45384055
>Thought-Knot Seer means you have to know every other deck's spells and game plan.
That's actually the opposite of the truth

>>45386517
>>45386396
>>45386461

The only bad part about stompy is the fact eldrazi do everything stompy does but they do it better.

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>>45384162
>What's the point of suggesting cards that are only good in that one matchup?

Didn't you see the pro tour? Modern is going to be the Eldrazi format now.

The best part is how there is no hoser that hits colorless specifically so you can't even hate it out like affinity.

>>45386559

That's the joke.

>>45386579
WE KNOW ANON SHUT THE FUCK UP ELDRAZI WIN EVERYTHING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>45384289
And on turn 3 I can play a wurmcoil or karn. Probably wurmcoil in this match-up.

>>45386644
It's an odd feeling being on top of the world, then being bottom bitch. I'm just trying to figure out how to play tron without eye of ugin. Take out emrakul and run 3 newlamog?

>>45386352
Eggs isn't very competitive from my understanding but it's enough of a meme that I might play it just because I am a hateful, spiteful person who wants to bully nerds

>>45386366
Crême de la meme but too terribad for me to justify paying event entry fees for

>>45386396
>>45386517
Stompy won't make people hate me enough and doesn't seem fun to play in any way. Modern's got enough braindead linear aggro
Taking Turns and 8rack on the other hand are excellent suggestions, my man.
I know of Emeria Control but not how it plays. If you wouldn't mind shilling it, could you sell me on the most busted thing it can do in magical Christmas land?

Probably gonna assemble some Turns, 8rack and Turbofog on xmage and see which ones draw the most ragequits. Emeria Control sounds like a fun one to try

Thank you based pro-tour for making my playset of chalice of the void skyrocket in value

>>45386603
>muh eldrazi Christmas hands

For fucks sake

I like how this new hot meme Eldrazi deck consists almost entirely out of rares and mythics. Maybe you thought a deck without fetches would be affordable? HAHA FUCK YOU.

>>45386850

That's the best possible situation, but the deck really doesn't need the best situation to win. Their average draw is already retardedly strong.

>>45386866

The only expensive part about it are temples and eyes/urborgs.

>>45386913

Give it a week or two and I guarantee every single part of it will be expensive.

>>45386913
The PT winning list is $1134 on TCGplayer. You can build good Legacy decks for that.

By the way a set foil Inquisition is $140.

>>45386866

And WotC still pretends rarity symbol doesn't signify power level.

>>45386313

Just go for Takin'Turns

>>45387068
Treasure cruise

>>45386893
It really isn't.

Unless it's Chalice for 1 on turn 1 but that's bullshit no matter what deck does it.

>>45387238
A card they were so incompetent they didn't realize was busted, as evidenced by it being banned in every format that isn't Sealed 2.0

>>45387281
>vintage is sealed 2.0
Alright then

>>45386724
>>45386313
It ain't cheap, but if you want the top of the line anti-fun deck supreme there's no better choice than Lantern

>>45387311
>I literally don't know how Vintage works
Alright then kohai

>>45384055
What you really mean is buy x4 eyeofugin and x4 eldrazitemple, now i can finaly play modern mustbe really good in order to play a broken ass deck that will no doubt be banned within the year.

>>45384404
>>45384415
>>45384496
you use Progenitus, it's still worse than Through the Breach>Emrakul though

>>45387465
Worldspine Wurm is also good

>>45387428

Unless somebody comes up with a counter to Eldrazi pretty fucking soon, Eye of Ugin might end up emergency-banned way sooner than that.

And given that the deck outraces everything and WotC in their great wisdom neglected to print a single card that hoses the Eldrazi, I'm not sure what the counter could be.

>tfw taking turns looks fun af
>tfw normies love taking turns so all the time walks are fucking expensive
tier 2 is kind of pointless if its just as expensive as tier 1

>>45387465
>>45387492
That was the plan

So how's that meta adjusting? :^)

>mfw twin shitters still can't adapt to the meta

I fucking hate Modern players sometimes.

>>45387311
I think sealed 2.0 is referring to Standard.

>>45387700

Tell us your secret anti-eldrazi tech fampai.

>>45387675
Honestly its like any game with a toptier, people usually are still playing what they like.
I really want them to print a hoser though as it's too early for a ban call, imho.

Let's get some colorless hate going wizards, it's a real easy fix and since it'll cover two archtypes at once (three if it manages to cover tron) it's a no-brainer.

>>45387638
keep it on the downlow friendo, I still need my copies also it's really fun and surprisingly good

is grishoalbrand good against eldrazi?

>>45387837
No because you're a combo deck, and they're running Nazis.

>>45387777
Yes, as Cruise is Restricted in Vintage

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Man, just imagine if the Brainstorm fake and tarmogoyf redux were real and we had a potent discard outlet like Wild Mongrel again. UG Madness 2.0 would be all the rage

>>45387675
It's not, because it can't.
>>45387700
Me too, but this one isn't on the players.
>>45387638
I want core back. That's the kind of shit that could just go in core instead.

>>45387837
I don't know how relic of progenitus interacts stackwise but it may disable your reanimates.
In a strange twist of fate that deck manages to mainboard a whole bunch of hardcounters. It can even afford to run 4 ghost quarters.

>>45387903
>Flip Lilly
>Flip Jace

Don't worry Anon, there's plenty of good discard outlets at mythic rare.

>>45387638

The only time walk that's expensive is temporal mastery. Time warp is alright

>>45387920
the new eldrazi lists don't play relic main

>>45387837
Depends how fast you can combo. Thoughtseize helps give you an extra turn or two. The lower your life total the more likely you are to fizzle too. I've been having good luck with a through the breach/goryo's deck that doesn't run the combo. Different list than the one yuya watanabe and the guy who won the last pro tour ran though, been working on it for a while.

>yfw restore balance is the deck that stops the eldrazi menace

>>45387903
This will get banned in Modern before 2017.

>>45388176
it's fake, the guy even said so in his post

>>45387903
>this plus faithless looting
UR Draw 3, discard 1, put two on top of your library

>>45388202
I was under the impression the "fake" in this context meant it's watered down version.

>>45387903
what's the tarmogoyf redux? Who made these?

Would be a more convincing fake if they used the new madness reminder text.

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>>45384404

>>45387903
Madness 2.0 is going to be Jeska Ascendency. A potent discard outlet.

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>>45384404
Couple free creatures, couple crimson wisps, couple rituals, and you have yourself a deck.

>>45388332
If any of the Madness cards are any good I'll be running them there. My flavor senses tingle about an angel with Madness too, so there's that to look forward to maybe.

>>45388145
Tell me about this dank new meme.

>>45388332
>Jeska Ascendency
you mean Phage?

>>45388370
Restore Balance can wipe away the eldrazi menace, plus some new tech with painful truths and the new gideon mean that it might actually be more viable than ever now.

>>45388373
>>45388373
RETURN TO OTARIA WHEN.

I want my cabal therapy, I want my Ichorid, I want my storm

>>45388386
Elaborate.

>>45388440
>RETURN TO OTARIA
You mean return to return to Dominaria?

>>45388440
Storm is inherently imbalanced because wizards sucks at balancing interesting

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Just saw today's Modern League results.
4/8 Eldrazi again

#prayformodern

>>45388487
What if they made it less interesting by tying it into +1/+1 counters?

>>45388463
Turn 2 Restore Balance
If they TKS you can do it turn 3
Either way, they lose a lot of tempo. Maindeck Mistveil Plains and fetch it after the first wipe and you can have up to 8 Restore Balances. Add in Painful Truths and you get essentially a control deck. Put in more Nihiliths and that means that they can't shit out their hand without some kind of counter.

>>45388514
>Turn 2 Restore Balance

How are you playing a turn 2 Restore Blance when you can only cast it via W - Suspend 6 or Cascade?

>>45388503

They already fixed Storm with Surge, and because it's fixed, nobody gives a shit about it.

>>45388572

2 land + Simian Spirit Dude

>>45388503
1g: put a +1/+1 counter on target creature, storm

>>45387933
Time Warp costs more than Temporal Mastery, bro

>>45388514
>Nihilith bulk rare
>Restore Balance 3 bucks
Buyout soon fellow memer!

>>45388638
honestly, probably

>>45388580
Surge is boring because they didn't print any fun surge spells.

They should reprint elvish spirit guide in modern. It would be fun :^)

>>45388661
Go to bed Blighted Agent

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>>45388597
>Restore Balance

>Sorcery
>(Color Indicator: White)

>Suspend 6—{W} (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay {W} and exile it with six time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost.)

>Each player chooses a number of lands he or she controls equal to the number of lands controlled by the player who controls the fewest, then sacrifices the rest. Players sacrifice creatures and discard cards the same way.

>10/15/2006: This has no mana cost, which means it can't normally be cast as a spell. You could, however, cast it via some alternate means, like with Fist of Suns or Mind's Desire.

I'm not seeing how two lands and a monkey man make this card come out faster.

>>45388913
one of the 3 mana cascade spells.

>>45388913
Cascade you mongoloid
Same way Living End does it

>>45388913
Probably a Cascade spell is what he meant.

>>45388913

>/tg/
>bad at magic

Pick 2.

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Saying that cascading a 0 mana spell is the answer to a deck playing 4 main deck chalice of the voids seems a shaky statement at best.

>>45389013
Why would eldrazi chalice for 0 against an unknown deck? It at least buys you a game

I got pressued into buying an intro pack. I got Eldrazi assault, battle for zendikar or something. I've played the steam games a bit and i gotta say this eldrazi gimmick seems pretty neat, how viable is the red/black version of it?

>>45389013

Yes, because they immediately know you're playing a cascade deck and Chalice for 0.

>Shadow running my brand new Naya Zoo deck
>It's winning on turn 4, rarely on turn 5

Now to bring it out into an actual game so I can lose over and over again.

>>45384577
Oh yeah, top ten favorite cards of mine

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Getting real tired of playing people on xmage with their tier 47 jank brew when I ask for tier one and two

>>45389216
It's called fun anon~

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>>45384245
You obviously play BUG Mill with Phenax.

>>45387572
Instead of banning it rule change so that it can't reduce a mana cost below 0 like goblin electromancer

>>45389661
errata's like that make things confusing, and in general wotc hates doing it

>>45389324
Why is the design for U/B always some shitty mill card

>>45386603
When will people stop posting this shitty web "comic" ? Is it merely to troll?

If you want the eldrazi meme to die you have to stop playing Burn, Tron and Scapeshift. Because Mono Black Control ruins it, but it 0-2's to those three.

>>45387572
Would be better to ban the temple since that only hits eldrazi specific decks and leaves their special snowflake tron alone

>>45386313
Memeskai Combo

But ya, Eldrazi will rape you with Challice with X=1

Any advice for someone who just got into this yesterday and plans on going red/black eldrazi?

>>45390351

Run vampire hexmage in sideboard for tron

>>45390679
>wish for wear&tear

>>45391153
this
the only thing to really fear is TKS for a card you only have 1 copy of

>>45391170
>he takes wear&tear
>wish for more sweet sideboard answers
what a dandy deck

>>45391244
you can grab abrupt decay too. odds that they have a turn 1 or 2 chalice is pretty weak tho

>>45391048
They retain priority long enough for Ugin to fuck your shit up and it's all downhill from there.
Also Oblivion Stone.

>>45390715
Your deck is getting banned within a few months.

>>45387825
Doom blade.

>>45387825
Big Game Hunter
:^)

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I am become memes

>>45391645
So you need to draw both of your combo cards and have a 1/1 survive a turn to maybe combo off?

>>45391698
yeah that's pretty much it.

i can't take this format seriously any more, so it's memes all the way down.

>>45391776
>I can't take this format seriously any more, so it's memes all the way down.

That's how I feel.

>150$ in store credit at CFB when I traded in my cards that spiked
>not sure what to do with it, don't want to buy legacy staples at CFB because they're overpriced
>see this thread
>remember Restore Balance
>look at the prices for all the cards
>everything is still dirt cheap

I know what deck I'll be playing next week

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>>45391698
i did just beat valakut-breach with it 2-0 in a league. good times.

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>>45391810
>I know what deck I'll be playing next week

BALANCE STATUS: RESTORED

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>>45391645
>Blistercoil

Good taste my man

>>45391822
I'm sure you can win games with almost any deck. I just don't think that a fragile combo deck is going to be tier1

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>modern fnm playing lmao8whack goblins
>2:0 slivers easily
>1:2'd by dredgevine because flooded out games 2 and 3 after mulling to 5
>round 3 game 1 get iceream'd with a silence lock
>take g2 easily
>g3 get flooded out 4 turns in a row when any spell would have won me the game after a long grindfest with multiple martyr of sands for 12 each time

Variance is a bitch sometimes.

>>45388337
My Zada deck wins with craterhoof on turn 3-5. Still a work in progress, but its been doing pretty ok in the trial runs.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-01-16-zada-and-friends/

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>tfw playing the most stock burn list possible
>Have top 8'd every fnm and event I've played for the last 3 months with almost no effort
>Just foiling and promoing out the deck with the winnings to upset people even more

Every other deck just feels slow now.

Have people tried adding Dominator Drones in the Eldrazi Stompy decks? It could be a good T1-2 play along with Mimic since these decks also use Urborg It also has the bonus 'each opponent loses 2 life' ETB if Mimic goes first. It also gets caught by Matter Reshaper

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>hear this is a deck again
>feels better then Melira Pod
>decides to buy Angels in paper
>tfw seeing its price trend

Fuck this game.

the tcg for gays and losers desu

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>>45392423
Cool story bro.

>>45387321
But Lantern is fun as shit for the pilot.

baka game doesn't even have an anime

>>45393146
kill yourself weeb

>>45393146
someone post the manga page where jund guy is explaining splinter twin. YOU know the one.

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>>45393146
Yes it does

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>>45393302
http://i.imgur.com/vBeutm7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/7fD0Xgu.jpg

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>>45393320
as always, anonymous delivers.

>>45393320
>>45393302
>>45393146
http://exhentai.org/g/611374/84a50a6dcd/

>>45384055
Really not, it's just an above-curve aggro deck. You actually don't need to know about anything to do with the opponent's deck, you just need to pick the card that might block or kill muh eldrazi.

We aren't talking about the intricate dance of locking another deck down in Modern Control here, where you have to know what you can afford to let resolve because you sure as shit can't counter everything, we're talking about batting their blockers aside for 3 turns.

>>45387675
It's starting to, people are starting to look at things like Ensnaring Bridge, cheap chump blockers, fog effects and so on. If only Maze of Ith was in Modern.

>>45393450
It is.

Sorta.

Mystifying Maze is admittedly kinda meh.

Hey guys, I've been working on this budget infect list and I need some help finishing the last cards.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/13-02-16-budget-infect/

Also something i should cut?

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Been out of the game for month's now is death and taxes viable again yet?

Should I buy into U/R Delver?

It's a super fun deck to play, but obviously not the highest tier.

>I can play high mana spells 2-3 turns faster than I should be able to
>You can't play 1 mana spells

Absolute balance.

>>45393913
If you can scrape together at least three shadowpriests go for it

>>45391645

>blistercoil + jeskai ascendancy

am I the ony one seeing potential here?

>BAN
Eye of Ugin
Chalice of the Void
Blood Moon

>UNBAN
Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
Birthing Pod
Bloodbraid Elf
Chrome Mox
Cloudpost
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Glimpse of Nature
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Ponder
Preordain
Punishing Fire
Rite of Flame
Second Sunrise
Seething Song
Splinter Twin
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales

>REPRINT
Wasteland
Force of Will
Stifle
Counterspell

Also include all cards in Modern Masters as legal in Modern so it can be used as a non-Standard avenue to reprint cards not currently legal in Modern.

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>>45393963

AN ACTUALLY BALANCED MODERN:

>BAN

White bordered cards (except the ones with a reprint of course)

>UNBAN

Everything

>>45387832
Painter's servant is colourless hate :^)

>Sideboarding in Standard and Legacy
Well, the matchup isn't in my fair, so I'll put some cards that are better against my opponent into my deck.

>Sideboarding in Memedern
GUESS I'LL PUT ALL THESE SILVER BULLETS INTO MY DECK AND PRAY I DRAW ONE

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>>45393998
GIVE THIS ANON A JOB WIZARDS HE KNOWS HIS SHIT

>>45393963
>Ban
>Blood Moon
Why do I see this online? Sure, I've used this to just shit on pod or jund decks, but there's a shit load more decks that don't care. Storm, Twin (rip), soul sisters, burn, zoo..the list goes on. Even ton didn't care about it with their sideboard.

>Chalice
Why? I hate this card and would like nothing more than to see it leave, but I don't see if being relevant outside of being played in the current overused deck-of-the-month.

>Unban
>Seething Song
>Ponder
>Preordain
>Rite of Flame
>Seething Song
Stormgasm

>Reprint
>Force of Will
Stormgasm...again.

>>45394071
Meant to say tron doesn't care, not ton. Fucking autocorrect.

>>45384245
It would be funny if walls become such a big thing that people start playing siege dragon.

>>45394094
>everyone starts running Dwarven Demolition Teams in their sideboard

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>>45387278
>6/8 Pro tour

>It's not really that strong guys, I swear

2 more events have been posted on mtgtop8.

The first is 3/8 Eldrazi, and 9/10th were also Eldrazi

The other is 1/1 Eldrazi

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>>45389977
Because the alternative is removal, counterspells, discard, tutors and quality library filtering. Mill is simply the least offensive thing they can do with UB.

>>45394123
Wall Control is the deck we need to save us in this dark hour.

>>45393897
Any takers?

>>45394135
Unblockable + Deathtouch ;^)

Affinity = 97 decks

"Eldrazi Aggro" = 62 decks

"Eldrazi Control" = 36 decks

Add those together because that's what you should be doing anyway and Eldrazi is now officially the #1 deck in Modern, and it's only been at its current power level for about a week when these results are taken from the last 2 months.

>>45394138

I love these type of decks, how do we build it?

Esper control with a shitton of wraths?

>>45394108
Chalice on 1 turn 1 is busted, yeah.

>>45384577
Man this wall.

This fucking wall.

>>45394105
I did not know that was a thing and though it's probably a better choice I would prefer to see siege dragon being viable as it is my favourite card.

>>45394094
>>45394105
That would be cool actually.

>>45394191
Walls of denial, walls of omen, supreme verdicts, maybe throw in green for assault formation+overgrown battlements or red for vent sentinel grindiness, as much spot u/w control dickiness as you could muster.

Bonus points if you run one of each CoP in your sideboard.

>>45394196
You need to run 4 and even then it might not be your opening hand, you might not even play first.
You know what are your chances to actually block it?

You nerds made want to brew wall/defender shit.

>>45394208
Dead against: RG Tron, UR Storm, Ad Nauseum, Scapeshift, Lantern Control.

And it doesn't do much against Merfolk.

No thanks.

>>45394380
What's the point of curving a Wall of Denial into Verdict? You could just run Riot Control which 1) is easier to cast, 2) prevents potentially more damage that turn, and 3) gains you some life.

>>45394571
It's not that you necessarily want to kill your own creatures, but A) wall of denial is such a great defender that if you're playing U/W walls it should be an autoinclude, and B) It forces your opponent to overcommit on creatures to try to get past your defenders.

Other options might include dampening pulse, orbs of warding, or ensnaring bridge. Not too sure on any of them though if you're trying to run control. The first two are too slow, the latter doesn't work if you're trying to hold a full hand, and gaining hexproof isn't too great on a 5 mana card when, by that point, you should be able to negate anything they do anyways.

Really I'm just brainstorming ideas.

>>45394603
Also there's leyline of sanctity which is a generally better Orbs of Warding, though it doesn't give enemy creatures a pseudo -1/-0. Definitely good for sideboarding though.

>>45394603
>It forces your opponent to overcommit on creatures to try to get past your defenders.
This to me proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Essentially what you're trying to do is making your opponent spend a card by spending a card of your own. You want to 1 for 1 your opponent.

YOU DON'T NEED TO PLAY WALLS TO 1 FOR 1 YOUR FUCKING OPPONENT AND YOU CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO PAY 3 MANA AT SORCERY SPEED TO DO IT

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>>45388502
>affinity is at 97 decks
>Eldrazi is at 98

>>45394523
>dead against meme decks and aquamen

'Kay.

>>45394643
>Eldrazi has only been at its current power level for a week since the PT
>Before that it was just BFZ memesters

>>45391810
How does it feel getting coincidentally hosed by affinity and tron hate.

Enjoy your stony silence.

>>45394649
And what's your point?

>>45394782
Aggro could've policed the Memedrazi decks if not for Chalice.

>>45393963
>unban birthing pod
Unless you're bringing back something else of equal power I don't think you want Pod to come back

>>45394832
>something else of equal power
Perhaps you should keep reading the list. Pod wasn't even that good anyway. It was about as good at the time of its ban as Twin was.

>>45393931
Can someone explain what this means?

>>45394071
Blood Moon and Chalice are cards that win you the game on the spot. And no, don't bother telling me that you can build your deck around Blood Moon, because the definition of a card being format warping is when every deck in that format has to build around that card's existence.

And Chalice will always be dumb. Affinity can vomit their hand, drop Chalice on 1, and cruise to victory against half of the field.

They're cards that stop people from playing Magic. As much as I hate the notion of carebearing, I really do think those cards are a bit too much.

And nothing will make Storm in modern good, especially with Counterspell, Force, and Stifle kicking around. Go ahead, storm off, I'll just hit your trigger and take the 1. Oh you're doing it again? That's cute, Snapcaster Stifle again.

>>45384415
Bonus: Servant fucks Eldrazi by making them colored, which means Eye is useless and Temple is a 1 mana land.

>>45394832
b-b-but all you have to do is kill my creatures and interact with meeeee!

Ah but seriously, closest thing to GSZ even if curve restrictions are more restrictive than playing Green creatures. And WotC kinda hates GSZ as is due to being too good at consistency.

>>45394953
Yeah, but most of them run 3 to 4 Dismember mainboard, and a decent hand for them means you're getting your shit stuffed in by turn 2, and are scooping on turn 3.

>>45394895
Difference between Moon and Chalice is that Moon hurts you for bad deck building and play, Chalice hurts you for being efficient in a format that pressures you to be efficient if you don't want to lose.

Do you guys think packing cheap spot removal will be a must to deal with eldrazi? I'm talking stuff like Doom Blade, Go for the Throat, Terminate, etc etc.

>>45395069
Right now black removal is looking better than running Bolts and Path, yes.

But they're well suited to wars of attrition so don't expect 1 for 1s to get there alone.

So will ascendancy combo be tier 2 with the release of new madness cards?

>>45395138
How can we know when the only one we know about is a reprint that's already modern legal?

>>45389661
You can't reduce any cost below zero. Electromancer generally doesn't make spells free because it only reduces generic costs, but not colored. If you had 3 of them out, Titan's presence would cost 0 in total.

You might be thinking of Training Grounds, which isn't even errata'd, it specifies on the card that it can't reduce the cost of activated abilities to less than one, because it would be completely broken otherwise.

>>45394895
Moon is the one card that allows some decks that don't run $600 in lands to even function. If moon was banned we would see every single deck run 100% fetch/duals except ironically, shit like tron/eldrazi/affinity and the cost of lands would go up another notch. Blood Moon is basically the perfect card to punish people with greedy manabases.

Really though, I'll never understand why people cry about blood moon but want Twin unbanned. Yes, Eldrazi is bullshit, but Twin was fucking retarded in its design. I sure hope you didn't tap out on turn three because oh look at that I just instantly won the game. Turn six? Seven? Tapped out again? Hahah what a faggot, guess you can't cast that path. Saying that there's more degenerate shit around is meaningless when Twin was one of the most oppressive decks that completely stifled fair decks from functioning.

>yfw BUR Control with Painter's Servant in the side is the best deck to beat out Eldrazi

fml senpai

>>45395181
>mfw just burn it all to the ground senpai

>>45394994
>Moon hurts you for bad deck building
This is exactly the reason why it should be banned. I shouldn't have to build my entire deck around the existence of a card. This is why Wasteland should be in Modern. Wasteland punishes greedy manabases by holding them off a colour at the cost of one of your own land. Blood Moon just straight up asks, "Did you draw the right fetches to get the right basics?". There are also entire decks that just can't function with that card around like Tron. Not that I like Tron, but still.

>>45395275
>Tron can't function with Blood Moon around
>RG Tron consistently in Tier 1 and 2, UW Tron solid Tier 3

lol what

>>45395275
Stop being bad at Magic you double kisama.

>>45395296
Tron is tier 1/2 because players don't always have Blood Moon in their sideboard, and the ones that do don't always draw it.

>>45395309
>X is tier 1/2 because players don't always have -insert silver bullet for X- in their sideboard, and the ones that do don't always draw it.

Damn bruh, it's almost like that's the case for every tier 1/2 deck in the game.

>>45395275
If you built your deck like a retard and played it even worse, you deserve to eat shit to a 3 mana enchantment that can't even end the game on its own.

>>45395409
So I have to gimp my deck just on the offchance that my opponent is running a specific card?

Have I gone back in time to Skullclamp standard, only now people are now trying to justify Skullclamp's legality?

>>45395152
That's just part of training grounds ability, not an errata

>>45395440
>gimp your deck

>running fetches and shocks is gimping

Wew lad

Is Death and Taxes going to be the savior of modern? It seems well equipped to throttle Eldrazi.

>>45395468
Nice reading comprehension dork

>>45395494
It doesn't unless you can really fuck their mana.

>>45395498
Wew lad

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>>45395520

>>45388332
jace x lili reconfirmed. jace is going to go mad for that pussy

>>45395512
Is there really any other way to beat the deck? You can't really race them unless you're playing something like infect or Affinity. Strange as it sounds, I feel like control decks might be the best answer.

>>45395555
Racing them is great except for when they have Chalice.

And going over top of them is kinda hard because they can curve out big and fast.

>>45395494
Death and Taxes will always be bad in Modern without Swords, Wasteland, Mom, and SFM.

Wasteland will never be Modern legal, everyone just stop asking for it already

>>45395573
>Need to race them
>Best way to beat them is screwing their special lands

M E R F O L K B O Y S

>>45395579
>implying converting Ghost Quarter into Strip Mine via Lenin Arbiter isn't tech as fuck

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>>45395555
Land a bridge and needle Ratchet Bomb.

>>45393950
this doesnt get you cards or mana, its winmore in the deck not make me able to win like dorks or enchantments are.

>>45395622
>implying that Leonin Arbiter is a good card
Cards that aren't any good on their own have no business seeing play in this format.

>>45395730
Wew

L
a
d

>fnm top 8 is all eldrazi

Probably won't show up again until eye is banned

>>45395768
eye wont be banned

>>45395626

>Lantern Control

Literally the best human beings play this deck, I hope it saves Modern.

>>45395784
>playing oops no topdecks

>>45395784
Does nothing about the board full of Eldrazi.

>>45395768
Everyone at my shop was playing either Infect or Eldrazi. It was literally the shittiest night to be playing burn.

>>45395768
Just play some anti-meta memedeck that they can't actually fight, like Lantern Control or 8rack.

Alternatively, Merfolk, especially 8seas.

>>45395730
You mean like eldrazi, affinity and infect?

Ghost Quarter is even closer today than yesterdya for taking over Bolt as the most played card in modern.

>>45384055
Look at this arrogant fuck. Look guys, us eldrazi players are just a better breed of magic players, we win thru logic and pure strategy. It has nothing to do with broken ass cards and combos that any retard can run.

you must be 400+ pounds to be so full of yourself.

>>45395807
It doesn't need to with a bridge and a needle, pyroclasm takes care of Mimics and t1 Endless ones.

>>45395838
I don't give a fuck who you are or where you live, you can count on me to be there to bring your fucking life to a hellish end. I'll put you in so much fucking pain that it'll make jesus being nailed to a cross in the desert look like a fucking back massage on a tropical island. I don't give a fuck how tough you are, how well you can fight, or how many fucking guns you own to protect yourself. I'll fucking show up at your house , leave all the water running, open your fridge door and not close it, and turn your gas stove burners on and let them waste gas. You're going to start stressing the fuck out, your blood pressure will triple, and you'll have a fucking heart attack. You'll go to the hospital for heart operation, and the last think you'll see when you're being put under in the operating room is me hovering above you, dressed up like a doctor. When you wake up after the operation, you'll be scared for your fucking life, wondering what I did to you while you were being operated on, wondering what I did to you while you were being operated on, wondering what ticking time bomb is in your chest waiting to go off. You'll recover fully from your heart surgery. And when you walk out the front door of that hospital to go home, I'll run you over with my fucking car out of nowhere and kill you. I just want you to know how easily I could fucking destroy your pathetic excuse of a life, but how I'd rather go to a great fucking length to make sure your last remaining days are spent in a living, breathing fucking hell. It's too fucking late to save yourself, but don't bother committing suicide either....I'll fucking resuscitate you and kill you again myself you bitchfaced faggot. Welcome to hell, population: you.

>>45395818
The Eldrazi are powerful, they're just overcosted. Getting to run 8 Ancient Tombs solves that problem for them. Affinity's cards are all good, and have been good in past Standards. Infect gets to run creatures that don't operate on normal damage mechanics, a free buff spell, a buff that doubles as protection and narrow disruption, and a buff spell that's fueled by Delve shenanigans.

Arbiter on his own is a Bear, whose effect is increasingly played around by decks that go over you and ignored by decks that can run off one land. Arbiter isn't a good card.

>>45395920
>Eldrazi
>Overcosted
>5/5 Trample Haste with built in mechanic that forces 2 for 1's
>It costs 5 colorless mana
>Overcosted

wew lad

Just realized that you can run multiple ghost quarters in restore balance and it works
>ghost quarter, then restore balance to get rid of any basics they get

>>45395958
From a non-Standard perspective, it is, no one would give two shits about Reality Smasher on turn 5. By then Tron has Wurmcoil and Karn, maybe even a Newlamog, Jund has an active Lili that has most likely stripped your hand to zero and a Bob that rips him removal turn after turn, Lantern Control has set up shop blanking the rest of your turns, Merfolk, Living End, Burn, Affinity and Infect have all hit lethal in and Ad Nauseam has gone off.

>>45395958
When you can play Tasigur or Goyf? You're damn right 5 cmc is too steep.

>>45395920
>affinity
>running good cards
Hell no, it's a bunch of garbage that works in exactly one deck and nowhere else, OG affinity was a bunch of draft trash.

The only thing making eldrazi tick are the lands, without them the rest of the deck is garbage. Infect is a bunch of garbage creatures and pump spells going all in.

>>45396003
Fortunately your lands tap for 2.

>>45396000
I wanted Ad Nauseam to be good in this new meta so bad. I'm so upset it never combo'd off

>>45396033
>unblockable 1/1 is bad
That's a 20 turn clock, mate

>>45396047
It is good it cleaned up at regionals. It's never going to be tier 1 though, but that's for the best.

>>45396000
>they are overcosted
>because tron combo has even more mana by turn 5
>because LotV costs 3
>you could play removal

you do realize your points are all kinda retarded
you say no one gives a shit if this gets played on curve and go on mentioning a combo that breaks the curve - this is next level retard shit

hate to break it to you, but "overcosted" does not mean what you think it means

a 5/5 with two statics and built in protection from 1:1 removal for 5 is not overcosted
it costs a lot of mana, but it is not overcosted

>>45394123

#prayformodern

>>45396212
>Lava Axe is not over costed

Lad, just wew my shit up.

You ever notice how twin cucks always shit up modern discussions?

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>>45396225
This.

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Hey guys took suggestions from last time I posted this list. I tried it out at a modern tourney and went 3-1.

I only have real trouble with tron should I even take up sideboard space to combat tron or just take the loss? Also there is only a few tron decks at my shop atm.

>>45395896
I have a belly button.

>>45396354
If you're having trouble with tron, there's a black version of Sea's Claim that really mucks up their plan. I'd recommend two in the sideboard. Another person said Vamp Hexmage and it sounds like pretty cool tech, sac to kill a planeswalker, but I find the anti-land sideboard to be the most efficient and versatile.

>>45396354
What did you play against?

>>45396410
U/R kiki control, jund, boggles, nya burn.
Lost to jund cause I mulled to 5 my last game and top decked lands for 5 turns.

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>>45396403

>>45396403
>>45396461
I have thought about bumping up to 3 ghost quarters but the lands are tight cause its esper with emeria. I think I would rather run stony silence since its useful against lantern and affinity also

>>45396354
Just concede, Sun Titan is a joke as it is and no amount of sideboard other than Stony Silence to some degree helps.

>>45396490
Stony silence is a must, and while GQ is great since you can mainboard it, unless your colorless it'll hurt your manabase, so optimally 1-2 tops.

Imma still recommend Evil presence in the sideboard = slow tron start. It's even nice against burn, they don't run any spells with generic mana so it's basically a one mana stone rain.

>>45396490
Also Fleshbag Marauder is great vs boggles but unless youre a Coco/vial deck I'd recommend Selfinflincted Wound, it costs 1 less and the damage can be relevant in a race!

>>45396781
**unless you know that your boggles player runs Leyline of Sanctity, in which case Fleshbag is awesome tech since it doesn't target

>>45392794
>Rachet Bomb
>Lightning Axe

I can't stop laughing.

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my favorite wall tbqh family

just needs a few high grounds

>>45396860
Ratchetbomb for 0 is a thing.
Axe could be replaced with Roast or Dismember something but it's not bad. You don't need flashback for axe to be relevant (though it does make it great)

How would you build a sultai deck?

Would you run goyf or stick with delve spells or other GY shenanigans?

>>45397139
wtf is a sultai

>>45396225
If Lava Axe had "Rebound each turn unless the opponent pays mana and discards two cards"
then yes, it would be pretty OP.

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>tfw your deck is cheap, tier 1 and will never be banned.

I love this format.

>>45396860
It's engineered explosives now instead of ratchet bomb.

>>45397010
Roast is kinda ugh what with being 2cmc sorcery that can't hit fliers, the toss up was either Dismember and take the life loss or Lightning Axe and take the card disadvantage.

The choice is rather meta dependent and right now Dismember might be better against Eldrazi due to Chalice bullshit.

>>45395754

>>45397314
>Ensnaring bridge
>in burn

Anon I mean yeah but

anon

>>45397314

>Around 900 dolleridoos for that list
>cheap

>>45396003

But Tasigur is equally over costed, the only reason people play him is because they hope to get a discount just like reality smasher

>>45393382
Why is this in exhentai exactly?

>>45397368
Compared to every other tier one list, yeah. Not my fault Wizards are pure money grubbers

>>45397353
Beats Eldrazi, which is everywhere in the meta and at my LGS...also beats Zoo, Merfolk and Kiki-Chord.

WE NEED TO BUILD A WALL

>>45397433
WITH ZENDIKAR

>>45397433
TO KEEP THESE NON-ELDRAZI OUT

>>45397314

>only 2 ensnaring bridges

are you poor or something?

>>45397368
When Burn of all things costs anything upwards 100 bucks, that's a sign that something is seriously wrong.

>>45397207
BUG

>>45397207
Black blue green. It's named for the clan in Khans of Tarkir for those colors, like how red green white is Naya after the Shards of Alara fragment for those colors.

>>45397480
And thugs?

How many fetches should I run in a Death's Shadow tempo deck?

6? 8? 12?

Obviously I want to fetch-shock myself a lot.

>>45397525
Depends. How deep is your wallet?

The point of the deck is to commit suicide in game, and financial suicide in real life.

>>45397476

Listen to MaRo's latest podcast about reprints. It's infuriating. Basically Wizards has chosen to completely ignore availability issues and pretend the secondary market doesn't exist.

Things are going to get worse.

In two years Modern is going to cost the same as Legacy. Mark my words.

>>45397353
It used to be in burn back in the day, it's great in this meta since Eldrazi is a pure creature strat and you can topdeck for days.
Mully to bridge+lands and you instawin the matchup (they aren't bringing artifact hate vs burn game 2)

>>45397555
Link please.

>>45392562
was just about to buy into this deck too, RIP

>>45393313

Why does Gideon look look like Hugh Jackman?

>>45397547
Deep enough that I might consider paying for overpriced Serum Visions.

I own a solid manabase for something like UB faeries, but without more fetches and shocks I'll have to rely on not just Phyrexian spells but also cute shit like Plunge into Darkness.

>>45396833
Most bogles players do, at least in the sideboard. Or something with the same effect like witchbane orb. It removes several key weaknesses at once; targeted burn, sacrifice effects like Edict or Liliana, and targeted discard like thoughtsieze and Inquisition.

>>45397555
Modern right now is already as expensive as Legacy was back when it started. Stands to reason that four years down the road it'll be as expensive as Legacy is now.

So now that we've clarified what a sultai deck is, can I get some advice?

>>45397611
>So now that we've clarified what a sultai deck is, can I get some advice?
Don't build it?

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>>45397555
Wizards is fully aware of the secondary market. Many of their commentators for PTs and other events come from SCG, CFB, etc. It is literally impossible for them to even hide the fact that they know about it since the largest stream of money changing hands in MTG comes from veterans or people moving into constructed formats.

There is a reason why they don't reprint cards. And modern is already close to legacy in cost. Even the current standard decks are getting up there.

>>45397622
Why do you hate fun anon?

>>45396461
>They just play an Eye and vomit out 10 power

>>45397653
I play restore balance
i AM the fun

>>45397673
I also play that deck occasionally. Gets old fast though

>>45397634
Amazing to think that $300 could get you a good RTR standard deck when $120 of that was Thragtusks.

>>45397555
no way, modern masters 2017 will totally reprint goyf again to help bring down the cost of top decks like jund

and with the success of zendikar expeditions we could also see more reprints in that form! be sure to buy those booster boxes!

>>45397634

>Mfw Standard will now be hilariously expensive with the new 6-month rotation

I'm trying really hard to find reasons to not just quit this fucking shit.

>>45395816
I play 8seas and 8rack, feels good

>>45397476
Just get it one piece at a time

It won't cost you a dime

They'll know it's you when you roll into town

You can Bolt around in style

And drive the Eldrazi wild

Cause you'll be the only 4-0 in town

>>45397736
It's basically
>Get in early and by early I mean before the hype, or don't get in at all
now

>>45397661
Hey man I was talkin bout tron.
And frankly I've never seen the explosive eldrazerea 5 mimic/endless turn 1. It'll still stop eye t2 so no smasher for 30 memedream damage.

>>45397581

http://media.wizards.com/2016/podcasts/magic/drivetowork305_reprints.mp3

Trigger Warning if you've never heard Rosewater before: He speaks really fast and has a lisp, so he can get really annoying at first.
You were warned.

>>45397736
I remember having a discussion about the 6 month rotations with my LGS owner and another regular a couple months before it hit. I was trying to convince them that it was only going to make standard more expensive, while they firmly believed that for some reason it'd make more boxes be opened thus there'd be more cards in circulation. I tried to explain that boxes cost money to open but it fell on deaf ears.

I hate being right.

So I'm thinking of participating in my local store's Modern tournament today, don't expect to win just want to have fun. Never played in a tournament before though, my only concern is that I'll get floored by someone's tournament deck. Will a red+green landfall deck stand a chance in a competitive game, or should I just head there and play some casual matches with the people that get eliminated?

>Inquisition of Kozilek is like $25~

Jesus fuck.

I could trade my way back into fetches with my set.

>>45397869
Set foil is $140.

>>45397807
In a modern format? Chances are no, but all depends on your scene

>>45397807
Just play some pickup games with whoever wants to play. Scope out the meta, plan your sideboard for the next week, and enter then instead.

>>45397781
I love how it's becoming 4 color goodstuffs. New black-temur deck guys, you best be running full fetch + duals. get those mantis/rhino/knuckleblades, if you run black get painful truth, if you run blue get jaces, if you run green get sylvan advocates. It's literally become goodstuffs: the format, with some 'combo' decks in the form of ancestors/coco.
Standard fetch+duals was a bad idea, 3 color is already madstronk but now it's even better. Also attarka aggro but imo they should splash black for painful truth.

r/g tron is tier 2 glad i flipped my very valuable chronicles urzalands while i had the chance

>>45397634
If Modern keeps getting shittier I was going to consider getting back into standard with jank decks, but those prices...

Hopefully the reign of 4 color goodstuff will end when Rhino and the Fetchlands leave.

>>45397982
Just stop playing.

>>45397982
Yeah, I mean we only have painlands, BfZlands, taplands, and the new manlands, plus whatever else is coming in SoI...

I'm sure 3-4 color goodstuff will just end, absolutely.

Or just take this advice >>45397986

>>45397986
I'm not sure if I can. I managed to drop 40k sometime after 7th edition came out, but MTG has rooted itself much deeper in my psyche.

>>45397982

It will never recover and standard will always be a boring money sink. Sell your shit and find a new game or keep your cards as a reminder of the fun you once had.

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>>45398074
>>45398074

New thread

Allright, I'm looking for a deck good enought to score at FNMs while being bellow the 400$ pricetag sideboard included.

It can't be Bogles, Infect or any shitty budget aggro variations that shits out creatures and buff spells.

Does such a deck exist ?

>>45398307
jeskai ascendancy

>>45397923

Well that's what Wizards was aiming for. They said in an article a while ago that they were pushing hard for midrange this Standard. So there you have it; Goodstuff: the Format.