Is there any point to getting into 40K? I like the setting and there's a GW store nearby, but you guys are always going on about how GW is Satan and they deserve no money, and how Warhammer has progressively been getting worse, and how it might end up being End Times'd soon, which kinda makes me feel like it would be a bad idea to get involved. On the other hand, you're also still here talking about it every day so surely it can't be that bad, right?
Just get a small ~750 point force to play friendly games with. Spend ~7 hours painting each model, then not only will you impress the shoes off everyone, you'll get your moneys worth of GW prices.
Never get into tournaments, it'll just make you want to spend $2000 every few months making sure you've got the latest version of Taudar.
>Is there any point to getting into 40K?
Why do people ask dumb questions like this?
If you like it, then there's a point. If you don't, then there isn't. It's kind of simple.
WHY DO PEOPLE DO THINGS
>Is there any point to getting into 40K?
for fun. If you have people to play with, and you think you'd enjoy playing 40k with, and you like painting little space dudes, then maybe it will be a worthwhile hobby for you.
if not, there's always video games I guess.
A good group is a must. If they are all hyper competitive and your not, save your money.
If your not going to spend the time to paint, model, etc the hobby is an even bigger money hole. Your missing over half the value of the game
I play all kinds of tabletop. 40k is no worse or better than any in the end, you just tossing dice around and pushing toys around a table. More than anything else imo the people you play determine how much fun you have. Cool people are cool. Shit people are shit.
If you like the setting and the models, then that's really all there is to it. Sure the game may not be the best, but honestly it's about whether or not you love your collection.
At absolute best if you must own GW models play a different game with them, 40k is bad and AoS is an absolute steaming pile of shit, and I say this as someone who's had a collection since the 90s.
The setting, models, and lore are all first rate. The tabletop game and the direction management is taking things is terrible.
I wouldnt recommend getting into 40k right now. GW is going to run it into the ground within 5 years. Probably less.
Actually, they've been doing a lot of smart things lately- more starter packs, cheapish high quality models, even new armies like the ADMECH that've been fan favorites for ages.
I'd give them a chance. The setting's great and so are the models.
Well that is a pretty good question honestly.
Models are high quality, no matter what you might think of the aesthetic, but overpriced compared to other companies.
GW treat their customers with total contempt at a corporate level
GW fans tend to be total drones who don't even realise there are other companies
My advice is to play a different game, but if you like 40k models get them, maybe use them as proxies in a different game.
Well, its fucking expensive. But if you enjoy it, have the money, patience, and pals, go for it, you will not regret it. Okay maybe you will but its still fun as fuck.
40k has the best lore in anything ever made also so yea
I've been reading source material for a couple years, including rulebooks and stuff, but I have never given GW a dime.
I think I want to start modelling- how much money would it cost me to start off with a good supply of paint, green stuff, brushes, magnets?
Which is a not insignificant assumption for Mantic Games, which has games that resemble GW's quite a bit if you squint, if not so much that they get sued.
It has a lot of people who left GW, so this makes sense.
The rules are also free, so there is that.
Whereas you are going to be out like, what now?
at least 80-90 dollars for the rules just to start with GW games? At least that's how 40k is.
I bought a couple of GW models, entertained the idea of starting, but here in Australia I'd be paying 140 for the rules and $80-$90 for a codex
Even a fucking PDF costs up to $80 for the shield of Baal ,and the regular PDF codexes are $50. That's just indefensible.
I've heard of people spending thousands on a set of clubs, along with hundreds a year for a membership at the golf club.
You can buy the dark vengeance version of the core rulebook for twenty dollars on ebay, and the space marines book for 45 dollars
what kind of golf clubs did you get for 65 dollars?
No. In terms of game quality it's on par with something like Munchkin or We Didn't Playtest This At All, except it's not trying to be terrible as a selling point, and has a 300-500 dollar barrier of entry with a release cycle designed to force you to spend more money.
It's a beer and pretzels game pretending to be a wargame, with the downsides of both and benefits of neither.
It's the difference between the person with one 1,000 point army, and that guy with multiple armies for every faction, and two FW titans. You can get enough to get into the game and enjoy it, or you can get REALLY into it. Those two extremes cost vastly different amounts of money, and they differ based on what you want.
yeah that is very fair
I put together a 1000 point army recently for around 200 dollars, not including paints. Bought a lot of second hand stuff and picked up boxes of bits at convention flea markets for incredible cheap.
lots of people hate on GW paints for being "expensive" and recommend other brands instead, but if you do a cost per ounce they are pretty much the same as the other very popular brand, Vallejo, when buying individual bottles. The difference comes in sets.
>GW paints sets
full price as buying paints individually, but comes with a brush
>Vallejo paint set
discounted price compared to buying paints individually, but no extras.
Both GW and Vallejo paints are very good, though the product lines are a bit difference. Some like one, some like the other, and some use their favorites from each.
I don't have much experience with army painter or p3 so I won't speak about them.
>Now for tools
GW brushes cost a fortune, but they are good. Other brands, even generic brands, can also be really good. Treat your brushes with care, as they are expensive no matter which brand you choose.
Hobby knives and clippers you can and shout just buy generic. Take care of your tools and make sure you've got plenty of spare blades for your knife, as a sharp blade is both safer to use and allows for more precise work. Similarly, don't go wrecking your blades trying to force them through hard materials. Do not use hobby clippers to cut steel wire - you will ruin them.
Sculpting tools - buy generic. You can get some really great sets of steel sculpting tools off amazon for like 10 bucks. Many professional sculptors even make their own tools.
Green stuff - look up "kneadatite" and buy either from a manufacturer or on amazon. 12 dollars from GW gets you 20g of the stuff, 12 dollars off amazon gets you 100g of the same epoxy. 100g is actually a lot though and hats off you you if you practice sculpting enough to use it all up!
If you like the setting, aren't too picky about the models, and want a game that's actually good, consider Epic. It was basically 40k with tiny miniatures until GW killed it off a few years ago. Much more based on maneuver and positioning than army selection. Here, I wrote a guide.
As a hobby, 40k might be better. As everyone's said, it's fun if you have a good group. If they're competitive, it's not a tight enough ruleset.
i bought everything used.
ultimate paint set 2 each bottle
a ton of green stuff and basing 25
paintbrushes, ok i bought these new. W&N factory seconds $1each
citadel ultimate toolset 30ish
i havent paid more than a dollar per model including characters
Or play Eldar, and have Taudar every edition.
It can be fun but it's inherently bad rules require a lot of work to make it fun and you need a tolerant and open minded group of friends to play it with that will work together to balance the game and make it fun. Like AoS but needlessly complicated, though at least it has points.
It's not a fun game for tournaments because it's so badly written and balanced, or pick up games for the same reason.
Over all I would say it is not worth it. The main problem is the scale of battles encouraged do not work at all well with the rules designed for 28mm skirmishes.
To the contrary what all these mad faggots here say, the game is pretty fun to play when avoiding the WAAC-competitive folk and the hobby aspect is amazing. Dive into it!
Build an army and put a cap on it, say 1500 points is a standard game size. The main thing is that you set yourself an end goal when the army is finished. If 40K gets AoS'd then an 8th Age will spring up and things will actually get better, or use your models to play another game. Don't get into a trap of a never ending collection with more troops than will ever be used.
>I was told that everything about '40k End Times' or whatever it is named and other explicated information should be known at the end of febuary, because every worker shall be informed about future releases.
This is it lads, start praying.
>I actually enjoyed End Times because I'm a massive Vlad fan and seeing him again in all his glory was great,
But why? You will have your favorite space marines in spacemarines with new brilliant detalisation, seriously.
>not wanting Guilliman to wake up and usher in the Age of Ultramar
I just want a Rogue Trader army damn it. Thats what I've wanted for years. FW teased it in book 2 of the HH series but then they blueballed me in favor of knights and fucking admech
as someone who just picked the hobby up a month ago i can say this: just go to the store sometime and paint a bit there , you'll meet tons of people that way and the employees are nice
costwise it can be pretty rough, GW doesn't seem to operate on the whole" buy more pay less " thing
though the start to collect sets are really good value , heck the
tauone costs 5€ more than 1 unit of crisis suits and it still has a 40€ fire warrior team and an ethereal inside after that. same kindof deal for the AM which i'm assuming you like because of the picture in the OP
infact by looking this up i feel kind of shafted by the guard one
just keep in mind though that starting small is just fine, i started bigger and i'm still stuck painting my dark vengeance set after 2 weeks
the painting takes time
But the point is exactly that. It's a large investment of time and money. So it shouldn't fucking matter what some borderline autistic people say on the Internet. The question "should I get into 40k?" is fucking stupid and a borderline shitpost. He should be able to answer that question himself. Now if he's thinking about playing and has some specific concerns/questions about the rules or hobby...well that could make a good thread. But "hurr durr I hear GW is evil" smells like a shitpost to me.
No shit. But so is pretty much every corporate entity ever. Asking about it is like asking: "should I eat McDonalds? I dunno I hear it's like putting actual shit into my body." Do or don't that's on you...everyone fucking knows what they're dealing with, you don't need to ask other people to confirm the obvious.
>rules just boring
The rules being boring is subjective. Sure it's not really balanced, but a good game with friends can be fun.
>B-but it's expensive
Again it's relative. If you hoard models
like most of /tg/then yes it will get expensive. But if you only buy a box a month and complete said box before buying a new one, it's perfectly doable.
And yes, it might take a while for you to have a playable army, but you've got your whole life ahead of you. Rome wasn't built in a day.
>The rules being boring is subjective.
For Warhammer-only players "subjective" probably favorite word. They are borring, just look how many time newcomers spend on shooting phase playing IG/Orcs/Nids.
>but a good game with friends can be fun.
Group masturbation can be fun too.
>Sure it's not really balanced,
It's not about "balance" it's about optimization.
>Rome wasn't built in a day.
Especially when you should rebuild Rome with every new release if you didn't want to be conquered by Hannibal or Gauls every time.
>tons of people
Every GW store I have seen lately is dead.
>the employees are nice
Fat, sweaty people who follow you around the store in an uncomfortable fashion until you leave or buy something are not 'nice'.
Thing is, if you like this kind of game (sci-fi wargame, 28mm scale, moderately large battles), you don't have any alternatives. All the other sci-fi wargames are either very small skirmishes (see Infinity) or with smaller scale miniatures and usually featuring larger armies. Also it's the most popular wargame, so if I was to suggest one that you could easily find players for regardless where you are, it would be this.
That said? It's fucking expensive, it can't decide if it's focused on small skirmishes or huge battles and there are huge disporportions of power between factions and inside each factions so competitive game is plagued by repetitive lists and non-competitive game might be ruined by WAAC diehards who don't understand 'non-competitive' well.
(Same applies for many other games of course. I'm thinking of Warmahordes for one, since I'm familiar with it - but 40k aggravates this problem by the aforementioned lack of balance).
Rules are ... well, not incredibly bad but not really good either. Tactics don't play a big role, so unless one side makes really stupid mistakes the result is going to be decided mostly from the lists and the dice, rather than how you actually play them.
I personally don't like it and don't play it anymore, but if you want a large-scale sci-fi wargame with good miniatures, decently solid rules and which is easy to find players for, you can't be very picky.
(It can be great if you have a group of cool friends to play with, but that can be said of any game)
I'm in the same boat as you. I have been fascinated by the concept of the game since I was around 11 (I'm 30 now) and saw older people play them and I would spend the entire time watching them fight. The art shown in the books were also really cool to me.
After playing the video games my curiosity started to creep up again. I went to my local hobby/game shop that sells all sorts of miniatures and went to one of their game nights...
The people who play these games are the most toxic thing I have ever witnessed and I play fighting games for fucks sake.
I just stick to the lore and reading about the many adventures.
Well, its a hobby so its depends on you. Do you like the model? Like painting them? Like the lore? Like to play mass scale battle? If yes then this game absolutely worth for you.
The price is not cheap, yes, and the creep are real the corp also a huge asshole, but hey, if you enjoy it, nothing will stop you.
I for instance hate the direction of game that GW takes but since i really a big Mechanicus fans i still collect their skitarii and the cult mecha line, even expand to the premium priced tagmatha mechanicus and also love play it with my friends here.
So its come back to yourself, cannot expect a dozens of buthurted /tg/ to convinced you.
It's okay for friendly games and some of the models are really neat, but the game itself is shit. There's not even an attempt at balance.
Actually, has anyone made an attempt to just restat most of the units in 40k to make a vaguely balanced game? It's got a lot of fans, one of them is bound to be insane enough to dedicate that much time to improving it.
It is seriously a fucking money pit. Their business model is to get parents to buy their kids overpriced plastic. They give zero fucks about older players. If you end up liking a unpopular army good luck waiting for your next rules set.
As far as them being evil fucks. They opened up a shitload of their stores in our state. GW then jacked up the price of their stuff at the LGS, while keeping the old prices in their store. It did not work out too well. Most of the stores in my area did not buy new product from them, and put it all on sale. People kept away from the GW stores, and most of them closed down.
This company has nice science fiction figures, at very reasonable prices. The proportions are more realistic, they do not have the same cartoon look to them. There are a couple of other companies out there that do cheap, plastic figures. You could get away using these models at a LGS, but at a GW store they would kick you out.
>unpopular army good luck waiting for your next rules set
In order to win with Nids I have to play a very specific play type that isn't fun. It was enough to make me play something else.
Honestly, I'm pretty damn close to giving up on wargaming as a hobby. Infinity is horrible and my local meta is full of cheaters, Warmachine is great but I can't get time to play it, War40k is meh.
I have had fun with the goal system. Their pulp and Gothic horror games are very easy to pick up and play. They even have a sci fi game.
One of my friends had a ten year old chuck a hive tyrant during a tournament. The old school metal ones. He managed to duck just in time.
The last time I set foot in a GW store our Mordheim game was inturupted by a bunch of preteens rushing the board, and manhandling our figures.