>>45356046 I don't understand. Do you believe the company has infinite funds with which to maintain production of an infinite number of different models?
Each model requiring it's own dedicated overhead for design, production, packaging, etc. I would imagine ending production on some models would be necessary to free up funds, materials, and employees to create new ones.
If the point you are making is that they do not actually intend to release new models, then that may be valid, we can only wait and see.
>>45356027 Doesn't seem so. The leaks from the WD article about the new undead book lists all the subfactions, but those don't include Tomb Kings. There's the Deathrattle Legions, who are skeletons, but they're described as being led by wight kings and the pictures show the VC skeleton models. You could still use your TK models as Egyptian themed Deathrattle Skelebones, but TK aren't really a thing anymore.
>>45357045 There's still plenty on 2nd hand market. Hell, Necromunda and Mordheim were abandoned for a while and you can get most of the stuff easily via ebay just fine, some of it for cheaper than it originally was.
>>45357191 No, the benis is all natural, as god intended.
Body augmentation is the way of the future and should be encouraged. Enhancing yourself to be the best boyslut you can be is exactly as awesome as turning yourself into a cybernetic supersoldier. However, lopping off your dick and turning it inside out because you want to be a woman is mutilation and a sign of mental illness, and this distinction must be drawn.
>>45357317 What about getting oneself a ladyhole while keeping what good lord provided?
But as far as augmentation goes, I believe we should look into artificial eyes before improving the cosmetics. The market for them might be smaller but they will make a lot more difference for each customer.
>>45357479 Well, you don't need the full functionality, just the lite-version for... most common use. I mean, sure, it can't be done all simple and straightforward, but people are thinkers, I'm sure we can figure out the way.
>>45357562 not him, but maybe it's something like: >adding shit to look like someone else: fine >removing shit to feel like someone else: bad sorta like the distinction between roleplayers and people with actual identities problems
or maybe he's just afraid to stick his dick into another anon's mutilated dick at one point in the future; anal would be the only way to have a genuine experience in the end
>>45357587 You can still piss, you can still get fucked, what's missing? Besides, until we can find a cure for dysphoria that doesn't involve giving people the body their condition tells them they should have, it's the best option. >>45357633 In my opion, it's not gay if they have a vagina. Doesn't matter what they want to be called, their body is attractive to me because it's biologically female and therefore I'm into women.
>>45357688 They put her in a childs body and changed the body as she "grew" to match her age. In Stand Alone complex you see her in her childs body, and she mentions that she got her watch as a present for her final body fitting, which is for the type of adult body she uses now.
lmfao, I remember when people were 'FUCKING KIRBY FINALLY GONE NEW ERA GW BE GREAT AGAIN'
turns out the new CEO during his short reign axed WHFB, put out the shithole that is AoS, now started to axe factions, and he's on pace to destroy 40k as well while posting the worst sales number for GW in decades
I mean if his goal is to fuck up the company so badly they can actually go bankrupt and sell it to hasbro he's doing stellar
>>45358390 Anon, we have been over this before, the whole AoS trainwreck was already in motion when the new CEO took the wheel, he just couldn't back out of it - there's no way you can explain the stakeholders the last year or three worth of preparations, including sculpts molded and books written will have to be scrapped because you predecessor was THAT much of an idiot.
>>45356518 Oh look, the only non idiot in the thread and everyone just ignores him so they can keep jerking each other off about how evil GW is for wanting to make money. I can't wait until they finally give up and scrap WHFB entirely so you'll stop whining. You people act baffled and outraged because you seem to genuinely believe these companies exist to please you, personally, so when they make decisions you don't like you treat it as a slight against you, personally. If you pulled your heads out of your asses for 10 seconds you'd realize everything GW has done is consistent with a company desperately trying to wring money out of a dead IP.
No one bought Fantasy. If you people are to be believed, they are continuing to not buy Fantasy. Maybe in a couple years, when all we have left is Blood Bowl (assuming that doesn't turn out to be a passing fad), you'll finally accept that this is the future we all chose.
>>45358479 Maybe, maybe not. There's a serious dearth of real information on the subject. That's not stopped people from making shit up to try to force reality to be more in line with how they wish it was. Keep in mind this crowd have been claiming GW were 6 months away from bankruptcy for the past 15 years.
GW drove people away from Fantasy with their incompetent decisions, don't act like refusing to buy a product you dislike in the hopes they will get their act together means its your fault when they can it. Its not like GW provides any other way for fans to air their opinion other than refusing to support decisions they dislike financially.
Also WHFB is already dead and scrapped, you are pretty late. GW has nobody to blame but themselves, the huge reaction against AoS shows how much people loved WHFB. They were just not idiots and were waiting for GW to fix the actual game before spending more money on it.
>>45358532 >40k going to shit >"Stop giving them money, you dumb fucks, they'll never change their ways if you keep buying their shit!" >WHFB goes to shit >"Why'd ya stop giving them money, you dumb fucks, they'll never change their ways if you don't buying their shit!"
>>45359391 Seriously? How about the spectacularly shitty game, its balance, and the plain refusal to update half the armies? Not to mention the standard complaints about price gouging on ancient models, the ever increasing army size......
>>45359538 >GW does a bunch of things to maximize profit >the product is still unprofitable
Sounds like they're doing their best, and the customer base just isn't there. Sure, it would be nice if they could afford to hire better game designers, and get their books out faster, and charge the same prices as those bags of green plastic army men, but it's unreasonable to expect these things when players have moved on to 40k and skirmish games.
>>45359694 You can't force success on a product that nobody wants. LotR should have been dropped, and was. Eventually it will make sense to drop WHFB completely, and either go entirely into 40K or try to make a new game.
People 'moved on' because of the changes they made to a previously popular game. The customer base existed for 6th and 7th edition, 8th was what killed it.
>>45359667 >not wanting to spend literally thousands on an army makes you poor
No, the way to bankruptcy is to make your game financially absurd to any prospective customer. Also those hardcore veterans with 5000 point+ armies are exactly the people GW are driving away with their actions, deliberately or not.
>>45359751 WHFB has already been dropped completely, where have you been since last summer?
And are you blind? People wanted WHFB, they just didn't want what GW was turning the game into. The amount of bile and anger AoS caused was due entirely to how much people still loved the Old World. They wanted WHFB to be good and worth investing in again.
>>45359825 Except the vast, vast majority of people who play wargames are not 'rich'. Neither are most people who pay $5 for hero models.
The problem comes when you charge too much for base infantry that the game encourages you to have lots of. They might have survived price increases OR making the game favour big units but doing both was suicidal.
>>45359825 >Only rich people are going to pay $5 for an unpainted pewter army man. I'm a filthy second worlder paid $3/hour (that's middle class average wage in my country) and I've been buying unpainted pewter army men for $5 a piece. The thing is I only needed 10 of them for my game (Necromunda specifically).
Point being that price per piece doesn't make thing unaffordable on its own. It's price per piece combined with how many pieces you need.
High buy-ins restrict your potential customer base. Getting $150 (enough to put together an army in Infinity or most of one in Warmahordes) from each of X people is better than getting $500 from X/5 people. Especially since I'd guess that after making the initial buy-in most people tend towards the same continued purchase habits regardless of how low the buy-in was. They'll spend $N a month, and be more likely to keep doing so and expanding their collection if they feel they're getting something meaningful out of the game pieces that gets them. There's this myth of people making the buy-in and being content with their army men, but I've yet to meet or hear of someone who doesn't at least occasionally want that new thing to have more options of what to field.
If there were a wargame that delivered a decent play experience for $50, it would probably be gaining fans, and they'd probably end up spending a lot more than $50 over time. Say what you want about Blizzard or WotC and their products, but they know how to trip the short circuit in the human brain that gets people to keep buying months of subscription/shiny digital horses/new packs of cards, and I can't help but think that it's in part because you get emotionally and economically invested for about twenty bucks.
Not investing enough into game rules is another problem GW had. They can talk all they want about being a model company but it appears the people who used to buy their stuff did it in large part because they played a game with those models.
>>45359644 Fenris Nuked. Are they trying to slip the end of 40k in gently and hope no one notices when they can it and replace it with a steaming turd?
>it appears the people who used to buy their >stuff did it in large part because they played a >game with those models
I can't find the quote but I believe Kirby stated that most of their customers were collectors not players. I find this very difficult to believe, in fact I would assume it's the opposite. Especially if you include people buying so they can play "sometime", if the game is too poor or the player base disappears I don't think they'd sell much at all.
>>45360236 >If there were a wargame that delivered a decent play experience for $50, it would probably be gaining fans, and they'd probably end up spending a lot more than $50 over time
Well that is exactly why X-wing is doing so well. Less than $50 to start and you can have tons of fun without ever spending over $100. But the models are cheap enough individually people think they can afford another.
>>45358254 Yeah it's a weird dynamic. It seemed like to the classical Greeks, WHO you fucked wasn't important - only whether or not you were topping. Even blowjobs were considered bottoming, unless you were actively fucking your partner's mouth. And if your pals found out that you were fucking your missus in cowgirl position, you could say goodbye to the esteem of your fellow citizens.
>>45361312 Can you really say you're the same person you were when you were five? Because I'm guessing that your entire world has completely changed. Yes its scary, but it's really just a more abrupt version of what's inevitable to happen just by normal course of human life
>>45361462 Hey, that's a totally different thing from melding an entirely different consciousness with mine. Even if they don't override anything that's unique to me, it's still not clear if I am actually me anymore, or if I've become part of them.
I know that the average person is going to change their perception and even personality to the point where you might not have anything in common with yourself of seven years prior or later. That's not really the issue here - I'm going to die someday, but that still means I'd mind getting shot thank you very much.
>>45361568 No, fellow human. Please do not fear, it is merely a natural progression of our species. Please do not speak ill of higher forms of sentience, or their desires to uplift such filthy creatures such as ourselves into beings more in line with the true form.
>>45361687 I could honestly have lived with Sigmarines if they were handled in a way that was respectful to the old WHFB fluff. Fuck, I could probably handle most of AoS if it treated its predecessor with even a scrap of reverence.
But it doesn't. Age of Sigmar almost seems to go out of its way to shit all over everything the made the old world great.
>>45361722 Eh, just call the Sigmarines Order Daemons and treat them exactly as that and we're good. No stomping around all the time, them showing up should be a big deal like a reverse Chaos invasion.
Limit the "STARRING THE SIGMARINES" stories to one year, so we know when everyone else gets attention again.
>>45361312 >Am I the only one who finds the idea of melding my mind with that of an artificial construct to create something new terrifying? It is supposed to be ambiguous in that sense. The question of what conciousness is, how it is formed and how it can be modified is after all central to the movie.
>>45359774 >People 'moved on' because of the changes they made to a previously popular game. The customer base existed for 6th and 7th edition, 8th was what killed it. >emblying 6th wasn't already the cancer The game has never been better than it was in 3rd at any later point.
>>45362897 i left fantasy on 4th or 5th I think. Too many models required to paint and play(tried to build an orcs and goblins with savage orcs and goblins and beasts only...i would have need to btring AT LEAST 80 models-just the infantry). how it went from there?
>>45363230 Ynnead is created, Emps wakes up, Tau die offscreen while Tyranids fuck off to the edge of creation, Sisters of Battle turn a Cathedral into a Tardis and fuck off to another setting, 13th Crusade destroys Terra, the last battle is fought on Mars with the Orks allied with the Imperium, Chaos wins when Fuklaw BLAMS Guilliman.
Then Age of Emperor. Introducing ordinary humans with spears as the main character faction.
>>45359629 >recent 100 Years isn't exactly recent. Tiefenpsychologie has said so for a long time, but everyone's been too busy laughing at Your Mother Jokes or getting riled up over MUH FREUD MISOGYNY to notice.
Farsight mentions allying with the AdMech who have been ousted as heretics by the Imperium while trying to save it in the first book. So everyone gets excited. But then in the next book nothing, then in book four someone mentions the AdMech were overrun by Orks, and later on in the same book the Orks are suddenly buddies with the Tau/Imperium/Eldar.
Every character they don't want to talk about dies, usually in one big battle. Some are mentioned as preparing for the final battle, but don't show up and do unmentioned. Josh Reynolds answers questions, gives everyone an epilogue, but then GW says none of it is canon and Josh needs to shut the fuck up or feel the pimp hand so all those characters officially just vanished.
Oh, the Eldar gods? C'tan. Who survived the destruction of the universe before the current one, there's an eternal cycle of universe destruction but this one is different because it has something no other one did, Failbaddon, so this is the last one. The Void Dragon was actually an ancient Ork.
Except in the end it wasn't. Everything resets. Tau are reborn from Farsight's ashes when he blows up, but now they crave plasma and write it in runes on their naked flesh.
>>45356518 >I don't understand. Do you believe the company has infinite funds with which to maintain production of an infinite number of different models? Effectively yes There big enough that as long as its making a profit at all they can keep it.
>>45364004 >if you're having more sex than me I don't care if you get it in the ass from Bubba wearing lipstick. You sound salty. And endorsing deceitful lifestyles out of spite is pretty pathetic. Do you also pray for people with more money than you to get robbed because they were "asking for it" by being more successful than you? >I'm not putting my tax dollars into protecting your himbo ways. Then why are you endorsing the massive, pointless money sink that is trannies?
>>45356518 You know that GW does its own manufacturing yeah? Even if they don't stock them on physical retail shelves there is zero reason to not continue taking orders for any model. They might only do one print run a year but I'm sure there are people willing to wait to get OOP models they want.
>>45363325 >Introducing ordinary humans with spears as the main character faction. The end times kill literally all space marines and dump loads of orks and eldar on mars. All technology was destroyed when the void dragon was killed. 40K is now constrained solely to Mars, where the feudal system has returned. Demon incursions are now fought with spears and swords (Steel) and technology is a thing of the past. The game replaces circular bases with square ones and introduces ranked combat and percentage-based army composition. And then the Old Ones appear again because they much prefer this setting to AOS.
>>45364485 >a catch-phrase for people who lived in the Eastern Bloc It's exactly what it is now. The only difference is that former Eastern Germany caught up with their Western half somewhat. But other than that, the contrast between East and West remains almost as vast as it was 30 years ago.
I heard that you and your opponent need to take turns giving your local Games Workshop Official Game Overseer five dollar bills for each model you place until one player runs out of cash and loses the game.
>Buy a bunch of tomb kings stuff because I like the idea of dry zombie wizards controlling statues >Try and fail to get local people in to Fantasy >People finally get some interest with cool end times stuff then Sigmar happens >They squat Tomb Kings
>>45368880 I would but there is no fantasy wargaming community in my area, I was trying to get people in on fantasy and then Sigmar happened and everyone ditched their plans of buying any fantasy figures.
>>45370339 >Are they trying to be cartoonishly evil? Yes.
Like, seriously they are.
Did you forget they blew up the tomb of Jonah and literally pulverized it into pebbles down to the foundation, Jonah being an important figure in all three Abrahamic faiths, because it isn't an exclusively Islamic site?
I'll repeat that. The Tomb of Jonah, pic related, is VERY fucking important for Muslims, Jews, and Christians. They blew it up, then worked children to death razing it so that there's nothing to even excavate or salvage, because it wasn't Muslim enough.
The Dome of the Rock is the single most important site in Islam. As in as important as the manger Jesus was born in would be to Christians. ISIL has attempted to suicide-bomb it because it has importance to Jews as well.
I'm going to reiterate: there is literally nothing more holy to a Muslim than that site, and ISIL tried to blow it up for not being Muslim enough.
>>45370473 Yes. Its supposedly where Muhammad was taken by an angel to heaven, as well as various other miracles.
>>45370481 Russia used the pretense of destroying them as a basis to wipe out opposition to Assad.
The problem is that the nations capable of doing it REALLY don't want to commit themselves to a war in the middle east against a force that is essentially real life Warriors of Chaos with loose enough organization they can bounce back from anything. The other nations are busy using ISIL in proxy wars against each other, since they're in an almost medieval state of constantly looking to expand their borders if their neighbors are weak enough.
They themselves are destructive towards fucking EVERYTHING, and there's rumors the world powers are currently in operations cooperating to eliminate plots to each other while also pushing the attention of ISIL towards anyone else. Which is why ISIL leaders keep going from declaring that China, Russia, the US, or Europe are the biggest enemy to destroy first.
Here's the Tomb of Jonah before ISIL got to it by the way.
>>45370519 If you call them ISIS, you are recognizing them as a legitimate government and nation. Calling them ISIL is referring to them as just an organization. Call them Daesh, their original organization name, to piss them off more than eating bacon wrapped in an American flag while dressed as Muhammad.
Of particular interest, to bring this around back to Warhammer: this is the image of the Lamassu, a giant statue that guarded the throne room of the city of Khorsabad. The Lamassu in Warhammer Fantasy, D&D, and various other games is directly based on this specific statue. So it basically inspired your Chaos Dwarves.
Its now basically the only thing left of the entire city, since it was in a Chicago exhibit when ISIL took the region and destroyed everything they could find.
>Awesome ancient stone structures are getting demolished by a bunch of fanatics >No one in modern times bothers to make similar structures, they'd rather build dumb "abstract" """"""""""""""""art"""""""""""""""""""""
>>45370900 When the US started sending drones, they started hiding in civilian populations, almost literally with babies strapped to their chests.
When Turkish fighters pursued them to save archaeological sites, they wired every bit of ground or brick they could to a bomb or mine.
Russia bombed both heritage site and civilian to get rid of them for like two months, then went to bombing one of the groups fighting against them since it was also waging war against Russia's ally, Syria.
Seriously, there's no fucking victory situation other than nuking the entire region and turning it into a crater, but then what are you even defending?
>>45370944 We can't even build what we were doing in the 1930's anymore, its just too expensive to manage.
There's still folks building stone cathedrals and mosques, slowly, over generations though. Just nobody cares because it isn't old yet, and has no miracles to claim.
If nothing is done the structures will be destroyed and the people eslaved/killed anyway, so might as well cleanse the the land with fire. I agree with the russians here as bad as I feel for the unlucky innocents who are trapped in thatshitstorm.
>>45357659 >Doesn't matter what they want to be called, their body is attractive to me because it's biologically female But it'll never be biologically female. Turning a dick inside out and sticking in some silicone does not make a body biologically female
>>45371084 Glass it all. It's really the only way at this point.
As edgy and misanthropic as it might sound, I'd rather our art and history and monuments last past everyone nuking each other than let these fanatical assholes destroy it all and kill their people anyway, while we try and take a moral high point.
>>45372114 So you hook up people to machines that measure blood flow in the body, heart rate, and what parts of the brain are most reactive.
You get your test subjects, find out their identified sexuality and their "type", then show them images of the spectrum of manly men, feminine women, ladyboys, butch girls, and everything else.
You measure excitement, activity in the gentials, and what in the brain lights up.
Your junk only really reacts within what you identify as usually. But your brain shows a much broader spectrum of interests, almost invariably bisexual. When you compare it to the brain reacting between arousal and disgust, women are more neutral towards everything but their excitement range is more narrow. Men light up strong in wider interest range, are more repulsed by what they don't like, and have both going strong at the same time more than women do.
Straight or gay shows the same trends of their gender.
Bisexuals were all over the place, without any actual noticeable pattern.
>>45358390 Most of this was in motion before Rowntree got in, apparently Kirby still pull's the strings anyway. I'm sure if Rowntree could wake up he would like to rather than some situation where he indeed cannot break his sleep pattern.
>>45372538 That was their old job, to be executioners.
Notice they weren't around for the Badab War, and haven't done much when other chapters have fallen to Chaos. They even have a few members of their own who have turned to the Dark Gods, and even possibly a minor warband.
They've grown fat and idle, sitting in the Fang and drinking. Sure, they still fight and campaign, but their efforts are more limited than they would be as a fleet-based chapter, and they don't really put their whole heart into it.
>>45372137 >>45358452 You seem to forget that Hasbro has WoTC as a subsidary. If they bought GW (Which they would likely KILL for the chance to to) then they'd proabably just make it a subsection of Wizards
>>45372137 I feel like a lot of ork philosophy would fit in current children's television. Orks is made for fightan and winning and if we're fightin weze winnen. It's not weather you win or lose as long as you participate your a winner.
There really good at putting a self positive spin on anything.
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