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Pathfinder General /pfg/
Druid Edition

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/PQvignSr

Vote in the /pfg/ community consensus for tiers:
https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/WS3DZFK

Old thread: >>45345216
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First for bullying waifu posters.
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>>45353168
Don't suppose you know the artist of that image? Google image search isn't being particularly helpful.
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>>45353211
Artist is Kawazu.
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http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/more-races/race-points-unknown/munavri
WHY
-2 STR
+4 DEX
+2 to EVERY OTHER ABILITY SCORE
What the fuck is this
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>>45353170
From the looks of it, they've already gone and accepted the art.
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>>45353245
Thanks, friend!
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>>45353301
Honestly? It's cute art. I don't care where it came from.
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Lol playing Pathfinder
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>>45353307
All of them are also boys who don't look like boys, I'm 100% sure.
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>>45353318
I dunno, this one looks pretty convincingly like a girl and also has the benefit of looking like a legitimately-interesting race.
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>>45353289
>net +10 to ability scores
>innate SR
>can learn to use any item whenever they want
>120-ft Darkvision
>no racial HD or level adjustment modifier

Why? This can't be first-party. Who even comes up with this kind of shit?
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>>45353328
I liked the dirt naga, but I didn't save it. Hey Toho, throw up the dirt naga for me!
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>>45353333
>>45353289
James Jacobs Presents: Balanced
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>>45353350
I particularly like the Bird-of-Paradise/Flandre-ripoff on this one, myself.
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Hi thread, i have a question for you that i cant seem to find the answer for anywhere else. In my setting I plan to have an npc that is a Promethian Alchemist. I want him to have two homunculi, a pair of twins, but I can't seem to find out if you CAN have more than one. Anyone here know?
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>>45353328
>flat
>no hips
>androgynous

It's a dude.
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>>45353368
Deer Vaarsuvius doesn't deserve to have their gender questioned like this
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>>45353362
Forgot Dirt Naga had wings. That's a little odd, but you know what, I still love you Dirt Naga.
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>>45353362
They look like DeviantArt donuts with all the wings.
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>>45353388
They're touhous, mate, they've got to be able to fly or else they can't do the dakkamakka.
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nth for Eiremian and Ethumion Iconics!
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>>45353421
Yeah.. They really do.
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>>45353433
But is DSP really gonna do like three or five or whatever new flying races just for this low-cost art? Or worse, a half-dozen races with "Eh, the wings are just decorative" as a racial feature?
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>>45353444
Not gonna lie, we don't have immediate homes for all the art. Other bits are surprisingly fitting for some of our supplements. Bloodforge is far from the only potential destination.
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>Touhoufag is shoving his shitty anime wank fodder into dreamscarred press books

Why is this allowed?
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>>45353444
Make a fey template in the fey book that gives wings.

Pretty sure Paizo's fey template already gives wings, right?
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>>45353461
Gareth are we going to get a dirt naga? I want a dirt naga.
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>>45353467
He offered art that looked semi-decent for what basically amounts to pennies. Same as how Dorian got work with DSP, he offered and they accepted. Simple as that man; your art, too, can get in a book if it's decent enough!
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>>45353489
It's not even his art, he paid someone to draw him stuff to fap to.
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>>45353489
>he offered
Let's not forget we also were begging him to work for them and them to hire him.
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>>45353461
hey Gareth, can I bother you a bit?
I polished that ART for the Eiremian if you're interested.
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>>45353495
Man, people commission art for reasons beyond fapping. I've got a folderful of art I bought because I can't draw and I wanted to see my characters realized. Let's at least be rational if we can't be civil.

>>45353501
Given that we're talking about art, you might want to specify you mean Alternate Racial Trait
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>>45353501
If you're willing to deal with my bleary 3 AM criticisms, bring it on.

>>45353483
There aren't currently any plans but there's some non-race mechanical ideas for Bloodforge 2: Why Can't Anyone Keep It In Their Fucking Pants that might fit.
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>>45353509
>Given that we're talking about art, you might want to specify you mean Alternate Racial Trait

I'm an artist too anon
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>>45353497
It is true. I wouldn't be on deck with DSP hadn't it been for you lovely folks.
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>>45353524
Aura of Calm

As a standard action, an Eiremian can project their serenity to dampen strong emotions around herself (25ft. + 5ft. / 2 levels) and may target one creature, plus an additional creature every four levels and subtly manipulate their attitudes.
Enemies must make a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 the eiremian’s character level + the Eiremian’s Wisdom modifier) or have their attitudes influenced from hostile to unfriendly to indifferent. This ability does not influence a target's attitude to shift towards friendly or helpful. If the creature is currently being threatened or attacked by you or your allies, it receives a +5 bonus on its saving throw. This ability also automatically suppresses (but does not dispel) any morale bonuses granted by spells such as bless, good hope, and also negates a bard's ability to inspire courage or a barbarian's rage ability, for one round per the Eiremian's level.
She may also use this ability on her allies instead to grant them a bonus to their resistance against emotion-based effects equal to the Eiremion's Wisdom modifier, reduce the intensity of any ongoing fear effects by 1 level, and removes the confused and shakened condition.

An Eiremian can use Aura of Calm up three times + their wisdom modifier per day.
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>>45353524
Is the one with the mushroom table going to be in the fey book?
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>>45353530
I mean, great, but you weren't talking about art just there, and your acronym was coincidentally the same as the current topic, and Gareth is bleary and dead, so I wanted to be sure he wasn't confused. I am a thoughtful lover.
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>>45353385
Don't worry!
It's not being questioned.

They're dudes.
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>>45353550
None of them are going in Mists. Wrong feeling.
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>>45353544
7/10

I think it needs to be worded better. Or at least, a more compact wording.

I do like it as a concept though.
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Does anyone have epubs/mobi/pdfs of Beyond the Pool of Stars, Bloodbound or Pirate's Prophecy?
I've looked at all my usual sites but they don't seem to have been shared yet.
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If you pull the Angel Knight's mask off, will she die?
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>>45353573
That's already been asked at least five times, and it wasn't funny even the first.
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>>45353573
She's a BIG screw-up.
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>>45353544
Wait, so in addition to Daze, Eiremians also get Calm Emotions as an SLA?
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>>45353544
The wording, it burns.

"An eiremian can project her serenity, dampening strong emotions around herself. Up to three times per day, as a standard action, she chooses one creature within (25 ft. + 5ft. per 2 character levels), plus an additional creature in that range for every four character levels she posseses. Hostile creatures must succeed at a Will save (DC 10 + 1/2 the eiremian's character level + her Wisdom modifier; a creature threatened by the eiremian or her allies recieves a +5 bonus to its save) or have their attitude shifted from hostile to unfriendly, or from unfriendly to indifferent (this may not improve a creature's attitude above indifferent). Additionally, morale bonuses affecting the creature are suppressed for a number of rounds equal to the eiremian's character level.

Allies affected by this ability instead gain a resistance bonus equal to the eiremian's Wisdom modifier to saving throws against emotion-based effects and reduce the intensity of fear effects affecting them by 1 step. Confused allies affected by this ability cease being confused."

Still feels pretty damn complex, though. What're your thoughts, /pfg/?
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>>45353596
It was being presented as a possible alternate racial trait. Like, one they get instead of something else. Presumably daze?
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>>45353600
THAT's much better. And its not really complex - its pretty much the Calm Emotions spell as an SLA.
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>>45353600
It seems pretty strong and very complex for a racial ability. Personally, I think the negative version is more interesting... but on the other hand it's a lot more abusable, and I like the friendly version more mechanically. Either way, I'd cut it to one or the other.
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>>45353621
>but on the other hand it's a lot more abusable

How? it really doesn't do much except de-escalate an encounter or maybe convince the enemy to talk things over.
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>>45353631
Well, that's the thing, it's basically a save or the battle's over type of deal.
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>>45353619
On the one hand that's fairly true, and reprinting a spell as another ability has made it look more complicated/powerful before (you would not BELIEVE how much stuff I got for the /slow/ strike in Cursed Razor until I pointed out that it's literally nerfed, single-target /slow/). On the other hand, it's possible that the spell is also too complex.
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>>45353617
So either Calm Emotions or Daze?
Pretty nice options.

Both are actually good.
Terrible Peace is great against casters or anything for that matter really.

Aura of Calm *could* potentially be great, but Eiremians suffer from a CHA penalty so they won't make great bards despite this good SLA.
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Is there such a thing as an item of Message, or something similar (not counting custom items, I'm not sure the DM would go for it)? Basically a magical walkie-talkie for those of us with no caster levels?
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>>45353637
If a GM treats it like that, they're doing it wrong.

Just because someone becomes indifferent to you doesn't mean they're gonna stop trying to kill you.
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>>45353637
You seem to forget a lot of enemies remain combative even when they're not even hostile.

Undead and Constructs for example.
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>>45353646
Oh uh, Psionics are also in play, so Missive would also work.
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I feel this is nearly complete

Here are the great gods and goddess of Golarion!
The super-duper goddess of devotion, hope and uprisings! Super important!
The super-duper goddess of the Sun, she saved the universe from Rovagug, she has a state religion over the biggest empire on Golarion (offscreen)!
The super-duper goddess of the moon died for your sins, you can't worship her now :(
The super-duper goddess of JUSTICE and paladins, she's the heir of the god of man
The super-duper goddess of trickery, and revenge!
The super-duper goddess of travel, luck and dreams, she's the patron goddess of an entire people!
The super-duper goddess of death and fate!
The super-duper goddess of art, beauty and love!
The super-duper goddess of undeath! She's the only one to escape Pharasma!
The non-binary dualistic god of nature!
The neurodivergent transmortal of magic
The Egytpian gods because lol
The cis-shit god of the 1% and greed
The cis-shit god of drunks
The cis-shit god of tyranny
The cis-shit god of forges
The cis-shit god of violence
The cis-shit god of pain
The cis-shit god of rednecks and traditional gender roles
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>>45353667
>cis-shit god of forges
should be
>cis-shit god of creating evil phallic-symbol weapons
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>>45353667
>The cis-shit god of rednecks and traditional gender roles.

As a half-redneck, I need to know this one.
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>>45353691
Erastil of course, c'mon
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>>45353691
Erastil
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>>45353639
How about splitting it up into two different abilities instead then?

The hostile-targetting one could be an alternate ability for Terrible Peace.

The party-support one could replace that Eiremian ability that provides them with the emotion resistances.
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>>45353593
Baneposting discipline commission from DSP when?

/pfg/ voted for that, remember?
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>>45353691
So is that like, pink-neck?
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>>45353717
God, please stop reminding me of this when I don't have liquor on hand to numb the pain.
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>>45353728
Would you like some icecream and chabingers?
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>>45353735
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>>45353713
Empty Serenity? Yeah that could work.
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>>45353713
I like this as well, for what it's worth. I dunno if they'd go for it, though; I think someone said they were trying to move away from duality.
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>>45353696
I don't know shit about golarion and I haven't played a cleric in two years.

>>45353719
Sort of, I'm half Redneck on my father's side, so inherited the love of country music, deep fried things, snowmobiling and the like, but not the racism, alcoholism or lack of teeth.
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>>45353763
That was Forrest and his rationale made sense.
Positive and Negative Energy, despite being two sides of the same coin, don't necessarily mean everything they do or affect, are polar opposites.
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>>45353787
Thanks.
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>>45353763
That's not really duality (except in the strictest sense, I guess), that's "splitting a huge and powerful racial ability up into two smaller and more manageable racial abilities"
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>>45353784
>but not the racism,
So you're one of them paizo fellows, eh?

We don't take kindly to your kind around here.
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>>45353645
>Aura of Calm *could* potentially be great, but Eiremians suffer from a CHA penalty so they won't make great bards despite this good SLA.

You don't necessarily need that high charisma to be the party's mediator. There are a lot of traits and feats that lets you use intelligence instead.
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>>45353814
Oh, I don't disagree, I'm just (possibly needlessly) worried that it'd be rejected on duality grounds. Personally, I think it's really neat and would work pretty well.
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>>45353787
Oh god I'm having flashbacks.
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>>45353825
It's not like having a point less is gonna be the end of the world anyway.
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>>45353869
-3 actually.
Eiremions' Absence of Self incurs a diplomacy penalty.
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>>45353938
Orator.
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>>45353600
Gareth, listen to these anons
>>45353713
>>45353814
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>>45353947
>waste two feats just to talk good to people.

Yeah, nah. a -3 is a drop in the bucket at later levels anyways.
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>>45353328
>>45353362
What about the one with the potted plant?
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>>45353646
>>45353660
Nothin'?
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>>45354208
There's always the obnoxiously priced technological item Commset.
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>>45353646
Sorry, I gave 0 fucks to your problem.
But since I'm bored, I'll tell you.
There's a relatively cheap item that lets you carry messages unerringly from one person to another.

I've used it several times against my DM to track down people who went into hiding or gone missing, because RAI, it does exactly that job.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/feather-token/bird-token
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>>45354320
>A token that creates a small bird that can be used to deliver a small written message unerringly to a designated target.
>Unerringly to a designated target
>Unerringly

Well shit, looks like I found a way to deliver explosive runes via air mail.
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>>45353289
Oh come on, that's obviously not a player race. It's an NPC race like the trox or drow noble, no self respecting player would try to play one of those
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>>45354332
And now I'm reminded of how in Urban Arcana, you could send explosive runes through emails.
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>>45353289
desu senpai I think it'd probably be fine on a martial when put next to, say, bloodforge races. Light Blindness is actually really nasty.
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>decide to gm a game online to make being posted in the company's yurop office for a year a bit less boring
>three players show up with pretty solid characters (bard, paladin and alchemist)
>fourth player shows up with a magical realm futa sorcerer
How do I handle this? Two of my good players are the kind of people who would leave if the fourth guy accuses me of having soggy knees.
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So, how can I reduce my need for sleep as much as possible without becoming undead or something like that?
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>>45354387
Ring of sustenance.
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>>45354384
Depends on your other players. If you think they would mind that kind of sexual bullshit, you can just call out the player when they bring it up during inappropriate moments, and if they made a demon futa sorcerer I can almost guarantee that he will.

On the other hand if your players are okay with it, the best thing to do to dissuade that special kind of retarded is to have actual consequences and persecution in the game setting. Maybe people think a Futa with magical powers is a demon and constantly chase the fucker out of town? Not only will it teach him to both figuratively and literally keep it in his pants, but it also makes sense thematically. Generally the best way to dissuade players from doing something is to make their actions have consequences, even if they don't realize it at first.
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>>45354387
Get an item of Keep Watch.

You still have to REST, but you don't have to be asleep for it. You can just sit quietly and read or something in the time you'd otherwise be asleep.

>>45354392 is right though, a Ring of Sustenance also cuts down the amount of sleep you need, both combined would lead to you only needing to sit down for a few hours each day.
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>>45354407
A DM's greatest tool are the words 'Yes, but...'
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>>45354387
Ring of sustenance, Dreamer's Star, Allnight + Insomnia powder, Wand of Keep watch (important to note the distinction between Vigorous activity and non-vigorous, talk to your GM beforehand)

That's all I can think of, there's probably some more obscure ones out there
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>>45354392
>>45354412
>>45354447
Ring of sustenance it is, thanks folks.
Six extra hours a night should be enough for me to get shit done.
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>>45354524
There's also the Awakened from Stasis trait, which does the same thing as the ring for sleep.
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Its still weird seeing people cry more over Munavri when they have level adjustment. Same deal as Drow Nobles and Duergar tyrants-You want it, you pay for it in being a level behind until the bonuses are meaningless.
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>>45354568
>level adjustment
Pathfinder ha LA?
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>>45354582
Back of the Bestiary 1 it says "treat CR as LA" and then makes a few other concessions so that LA goes away as you level up.

so, as an example, the half-dragon template would be LA +2
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Can a monster be BOTH Resolute and Celestial in templates? Or both Entropic and Fiendish?
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>>45354598
>Back of the Bestiary
It's not in the core rulebook so I'll continue to ignore it.
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>>45354412
>item of Keep Watch
If spell duration is greater than 10min/level but less than 24 hours, no price modifier is applied and the cost is Spell level × caster level × 2,000 gp?
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>>45354650
Pretty sure, yeah.
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How much would it cost to build a castle out of Adamantine? I expect the cost to be impossible, but I want my party to assault a castle they can't possibly destroy (for reasons). The SRD doesn't mention price per weight, only price per weapon and armor, does anyone have numbers that include weight and price? I want to work backwards and figure this shit out.
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>>45354745
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/goods-and-services/ue-more-gear-4
300 gp per lb.
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>>45354787
wow, that's cheaper than i thought it would be. thanks
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>>45354745
>I want my party to assault a castle they can't possibly destroy
They will just steal it.
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How long does it usually take before they add new source material to d20pfsrd? Isn't there a thing where it has to be 3 weeks after the source material is released? Or is it just whenever someone can upload the material as fast as possible?
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>>45354804
I'm gonna planeshift the entire thing into another dimension when they kill the wizard who lives in it. They might want it, but a castle in the Abyss seems like a bad place to live.
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Question. What is the 'current year' for Golarion? And are the events in APs happening simultaneously, consecutively, or in alternative history?
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>>45353363
You only get one as a class feature but can add extra HD to the other for something like 200 gp each.
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>>45354861
I believe a bunch of them are structured:

Rise of the Runelords -> Shattered Star
Curse of the Crimson Throne -> Council of Thieves -> Hell's Rebels/Hell's Vengeance
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>>45354745
You're aware that Adamantine has Hardness 20, not Hardness Infinite, right?

Anything over 20 damage does indeed harm it, and it is still just as vulnerable to shit like being removed via Distintegrate.
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>>45354900
The anniversary edition of Rise of the Memelords makes reference to the events of Curse of the Crimson throne, it starts at the end of the 2nd book of RotRL
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>>45354794
How many pounds does a castle weigh?
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>>45354814
Two weeks after the print release, not because they're forced to do that but just because it's their policy
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What's the cheapest way to gain uncanny dodge without class levels?
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>>45354606
That is a very poor way to go about playing PF. Core rulebook a shit.
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I did something horrible and I don't know what to do about it, /tg/ you have to help me.

I purchased the subscription to Hell's Vengeance. I saw the sendspace thing and all the characters were colorful and interesting, the antagonists were actually menacing and they introduced both new devils and a new archon, so I bought it, I don't know what came over me, plz halp.
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>>45354600
Yeah, you can stack templates, so long as they are not conflicting. Since a resolute monster is from a lawful plane, and a celestial is from a good plane, I would imagine a resolute celestial creature would be from a lawful good plane.
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>>45354918
It might be an interesting idea one day to do a timeline so we can map out the progression and look at where failures can happen/speculate what they will compromise chronologically
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>>45354822
No, you don't get it. They will break whole castle apart with initiators wielding toothpicks or just adamantine weapons, and sell it.
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>>45355031
And they SHOULD.
That GM is trying to pull the old "Everyone but you can have cool things, look it's gone you get nothing lol". They will use the MYRIAD of ways one has to ignore or bypass hardness (or just hit it fuck hard like a barbarian), take it apart future-equipment-piece by future-equipment-piece, and That GM will deserve EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of them playing minecraft with his bullshit.
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>>45354950
So its a policy by d20pfsrd and not paizo? That's cool of them. I guess it's so that if you really want the books you can buy them I guess?
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So, paladins can get their divine powers from believing in an ideal; doesn't have to follow particular deity. Can clerics do the same? Also, is it possible to follow a dead god and gain power from that faith?
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>>45348000

No contest
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>>45355169
Yes and yes. It outright says clerics of ideals are a thing in their class description.
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>>45355169
On Golarion, no and no. in certain DnD 3.5 settings, yes and generally no but some deities will help a nigga out.
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>>45355103
So what are GMs supposed to do then? Not allow anyone in the world to have cool things?
Once the PCs have reached wbl, all the rest of their enemies need to be vow of poverty monks until they level up?
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>>45355218
Why not, you know, allow the PCs to have cool things? Being over-WBL isn't really an issue as long as it still makes sense.
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>>45354964
>That is a very poor way to go about playing PF
I don't like LA

>Core rulebook a shit.
Everything outside the Core Rulebook I can choose to include or exclude and I'll exclude LA
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>>45355244
The CRB is the most unbalanced and poorly-made book in the game, except perhaps the ARG.
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>>45355174
Thought mother of monsters is Lamashtu
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>>45355233
Letting PCs be too far over WBL will cause very real power creep problems unless you put restrictions on the stuff they can buy.
Yeah, you can go kind of over, but as long as you acknowledge there's a point beyond which it gets silly, theres a point where you need to, by your logic, stop letting the PCs run into cool things.
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>>45355255
>>45355244
Agreed on the LA though. LA sucks. Playing a CRB+other stuff on a case by case basis game sucks more though.
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>>45355261
Or talk to them and get a gentleman's agreement, instead of restricting things. Isn't that an option? Do you people play with people you don't trust?
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>>45355255
True I usually homebrew most of that as well.

>>45355263
Thank you anon.
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>>45355270
Then... Make a gentleman's agreement with them to not break down the adamantine castle?
That's kind of what I was saying.
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>>45355261
Or you know, don't have those restrictions?
The arms race isn't unreasonable and beyond a certain amount of gold salesmen for magic items simply do not exist. Nobody is selling the stuff level 20s use and the wizards capable of making it aren't necessarily trading in gems and +3 Swords any more.
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>>45355286
Make a gentleman's agreement for them to not use the wealth from sacking the castle on it.

The goal is to have a setting that makes sense. Give them some reason to spend money on things other than personal power. Alternatively, let them TAKE the adamantine castle. Clear out the BBEG and start their own base of operations around it.

That's basically what happened in my game. I expect them to at some point take the time to figure out how to turn the place's orbital laser back on too.
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>>45355270
>Do you people play with people you don't trust?

I have some players I like as friends but will go and pull the most ridiculous stuff if I don't explicitly say it's not allowed.
So yes, I do ;_;
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>>45355315
I'm sorry.
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>>45355294
>what is crafting
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>>45355323
Any item THEY can craft isn't a problem though. That's time not spent adventuring (or done very slowly if it is) so its something you can influence by making the adventures something other than tomb robberies with no time limit and on top of that by the time they can make all the absurd items they like they fucking deserve them. However abusable crafting is they do need a certain amount of spellcraft or a crafting skill to do it.
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>>45355300
>Give them some reason to spend money on things other than personal power.

Tfw one of my players always makes the stoic TN type who only cares about getting stronger, solves everything with violence and intimidation, and has no interest in possessions for leisure

I gave each party member a customisable magic room and they said 'don't need it, I guess since I'm getting it anyway it'll just be a room full of training dummies'
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>>45355257
Lamashtu is a full-fledged Major Deity. Drakania is merely a powerful monster.
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>>45355372
That sounds Chaotic Neutral to me, friend. Have you had The Talk with them yet?
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>>45355372
>Not getting a room full of summon monster traps
>Training with something that cant fight back
He did not know the path to enlightenment.
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How do I Hype Ebonics Rhyme Chamber in Pathfinder?
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What are the ways to boost Initiative beside Improved Initiative and some traits?
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>>45355389
He does pass the bare minimum roleplay requirements, and does occasionally show good personality, but still. He just never rolls a character who is interested in any material gain that doesn't make them stronger.
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>>45355389
It's actually not. Chaotic Neutral includes Valkyries, Gorum and Einherjar, which are those who seek battle and violence for its own sake.
However, the pursuit of personal gain through a strong code and the foreswearing of all but one's own strength is rather Lawful Neutral, similar to Iomedae or the traditional image of a monk in golarion.
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>>45355412
More dex. Some potions.
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>>45354861

IT'S 4716.

COME ON!
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>>45355471
Really, I think being obsessed with perfecting the self rather than society is more Chaotic than anything.
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>>45355518
Then i don't know what to tell you, you fundamentally misunderstand alignment. Quite literally the god of obsessive self-improvement is the poster child of LN. Lawful alignment doesn't distinguish between individualism and collectivism, it only cares about lawfulness.
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>>45355518
The difference is the means in which its being done. If you just want perfection irregardless of the hows and whats, then its Chaotic.

However if you seek perfection through rigorous implementation of self inflicted codes, standards, oaths, and covenants, then its Lawful.

For example: Buddha and Mormons, due to seeking self perfection and improvement through specific and strict traditions and laws, would be Lawful. While your typical mad scientist like Hojo from FFVII, who basically sought after perfection in whatever the crap way he wanted with nothing to stop him, would be Chaotic.

Basically, its the difference between if your Modus Operandi is either a refiner's fire, or the tumbling snowball
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>>45355338
>That's time not spent adventuring (or done very slowly if it is) so its something you can influence by making the adventures something other than tomb robberies with no time limit

Is there really that big a difference between "Well you coouulldd steal this adamantine but for plot reasons you can't" and "Well you couulllddd craft all these things and you have the money to, but for plot reasons you don't have time"?
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>>45355727
Absolutely there is. Time and possibility are so very different. Time can be rationed and can be weighed against a potential risk. Yes the Lich might raise an army, but then you'll have the magical items to fight said army.

Compared to "you can't have the castle unless you derail the whole campaign to live in the abyss" its charming and wonderful.
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>>45353489
Hey I recognize that witch.
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What are some ways(if any) to have my synthesist summoner not need to sleep so that he can alway have his eidolon, I'm aware that ring of sustenance reduces sleep to 2 hours.
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>>45355294
>wizards capable of making it aren't necessarily trading in gems and +3 Swords any more
I don't think there is a single wizard in PF who doesn't accept diamonds or diamond dust as payment.
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>>45355931
Item of Keep Watch. You still have to sit quietly and do nothing, maybe read a book, but you don't have to sleep. Is this the same anon who wants to qualify for feats by wearing the synth 24/7?
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>>45355895
Why is that druid wearing plate armor?
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>>45355931
Tiefling variant ability №12.
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>>45356062
Might be made out of ice.
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>>45355895

I want to stroke that witch's stoat!

Fuck, why are stoats the best familiars/patrons?
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>>45355991
Yes, I'm trying to build a melee tank since we don't have a front line and synthesist seemed like a good idea but it's turning into a hell of a hassle. Also sadly dm doesn't allow things from books that aren't the main ones(ones in the pazio srd)
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>>45354392
The ring of sustenance fulfills your daily nutrition and sleep after wearing it for a week.

Can I use this ring to maximize my gains?

Also why can't I use rigorous exercise to boost physical stats buy growing old automatically boosts my mental stats.
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>>45356221

Because reasons
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>>45356338
>>45356221

This reminds me of the time I was in a Land of the Linnorm Kings campaign where the party witch (a Varki woman modeled after the Sami) had a stoat.

She named it Otso, it was adorable.
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>>45355372
Man, even on the most "I have to get stronger" character I've had, I ended up getting massive amounts of money, then spending them on fluff stuff like a high-tech Batman mansion full of ridiculously good training equipment.

She was actually CN too, now that I think about it...
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>>45356336
I believe that's what the stat bonuses you get while leveling are supposed to represent
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>>45356090
Sadly no book that is not listed on the pazio srd
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>>45356410
>I believe that's what the stat bonuses you get while leveling are supposed to represent

Bruh, are you telling me squats give XP?
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>>45356464
If it's a deadly enough squat, yes.

Ability scores don't have enough granularity to cover mundane exercise. Someone who exercises a lot will have decent Str/Dex/Con scores, and this is represented by them *having high Str/Dex/Con scores*.

It might be represented by other things as well, or those stats might be representing completely different things, but no, "exercising" does not increase physical stats on its own any more than studying would increase mental stats.
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>>45356284
You can still be pretty tanky even without your guyver. The summoner can wear armor, it just gets replaced by the suit when summoned. Plus various spell buffs, regular summons to buy time, etc.
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>>45353667
I'm not really on the up and up when it comes to golarion lore, why are all the male deities cis-shits?
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Pathfinder general, I come to you with a conundrum.

I want to play in a pathfinder erp, yet i have no idea how to find where such a game would recruit; I tried, long ago, to find a GM in gamefinder threads, but they were all disgusted by my desire.

What do?
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What are all the ways you can increase your ability scores with the exception of wondrous items.
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>>45356363

>The Varki are Sami

Holy shit why have I never made the connection. For the longest time I associated the Varki with Inuit or Canadian natives more than the people they're basically modeled after.

Next you're going to tell me the Finnish are Tian.
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>>45356417
>pazio srd
Paizo.com or d20pfsrd? Because paizo.com srd is almost empty.
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>>45356284
Play a Ghoran. As a plsnt race they have no need to sleep.

>>45356545
I run such a game on irc. RL just took most of my players. Will try to make arrangements when not at work.
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>>45356545
>yet i have no idea how to find where such a game would recruit

Roll20 recruits for Pathfinder ERP from time to time, although it's a "once every three months" sort of deal.

F-List has the occasional listing, but the fetishes there are fairly touch-and-go while the players tend to range from friendly to assholes. Still, it's far more likely to happen here than on Roll20.

If you're willing to go with Play-by-Post, the absolute *best* place to get Pathfinder ERP is Elliquiy, which is surprisingly vanilla as far as ERP sites go; the userbase is quite mature, screening a player or DM to see if they got what you want is quick and anonymous (just look at post history), and there's always at least two games looking for players in the Group Listings. The dice roller is awful though, so you'll have to deal with that or find a workaround.
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>>45356545
It's easy

__________kill yourself_______________________________________________________________________
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>>45356610

IRC is my preferred platform anyway; I shall wait with bated breath for your arrangements.
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>>45356624
It ain't as easy as you think.
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>>45356592
Only pazio sadly, so the major books but none of the smaller cool stuff.
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>>45356485
Ya i will probably focus on summons since i dumped dex and str
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>>45356417
Its from The Bastards of Erebus Adventure Path. It has a bunch of Tiefling options and fluff details.

Like Fiendish Heritag.
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/fiendish-heritage
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>>45356709
This feat is obsolete by PZO9423 Blood of Fiends.
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>>45356632
Sounds good. Using Spheres of Power and some house rules on feats, 25 point buy. Also build your race to 20 RP, with some limits I will get to later, mostly on SLAs.
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>>45356763

Not 100% familiar with spheres of power, but I can learn. I'll fiddle with ideas; what level?
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>>45356763
>Spheres of Power

Ick. Why are you using that piece of shit?
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>>45356763

How lewd are you thinking for this campaign?
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>>45354872
>You only get one as a class feature
>To the other
So... are you telling me i can or cannot have two promethian homunculi?
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>>45356780
Because the concept is good even if the implementation is somewhat lacking, you cockmongler.
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Sup /pfg/, i've come across the Akashic classes and I love them, especially the Daevic. Does anyone know when the full book for them will be releasing?
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>>45356808
Wasn't this the ERP game on Roll20?
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>>45356884
Yeah, I'm a different anon though.
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>>45356775
10

>>45356795
Handholding


>>45356780
Better than vancian
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>>45356901
We talking clasping hands or entwined fingers?
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>>45356901
>Handholding

What kind of plot were you thinking that would allow this level of degeneracy?
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>>45356916
>Entwined fingers
This is too much, anon, this is a Christian board!
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Is there any way to get Craft Magic Arms and Armor before level 5 WITHOUT being a Forgepriest?
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>>45356952

Mythic rank 3 in the arcanist gives you an option iirc but that requires a lot of GM fiat.
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>>45356980
I think you mean rank 1.
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>>45356901

Alright, I'll have a basic idea for a character ready for you; or at least one or two different ideas, we'll see how things go.
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>>45356901

Are you going to allow voluptuous party cumdumpster skinwalkers or damaged Lamasthan rangers?
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>>45355389
>>45355471
What would be True Neutral, then?
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What alignment would this be? LN?
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>>45357050

He's Lawful Evil.

He follows a very rigid code of laws and ethics, but they're utterly sociopathic.
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>>45357046
Why not both?

>>45356935
We Calistrian now

>>45356933
Gathering nonhuman allies to face an army of succubi

>>45356916
Entwined and tracing gentle circles against each other
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>>45357016


Youre right, first tier in the archmage. My bad. I knew it was there, just not sure where

Crafting Mastery (Ex): You can craft any magic item
as if you had the necessary item creation feats. If you
actually have the item creation feat needed for a magic
item you're crafting, whenever you attempt a skill check
to create that item, roll twice and use the higher result,
and you make twice as much progress on the item for any
time spent. This ability does not reduce the item's cost or
any other requirements.
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>>45357091
I too am intrigued by this game.
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>>45357069

>justice is sociopathic

Bait
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>>45357033
Sounds like a plan
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>>45357091
>Gathering nonhuman allies to face an army of succubi

Why not lewd Land of the Linnorm Kings?
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>>45357050
Where did this come from anyway?
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>>45357125

The character in that art once refused to save a little girl from falling out of a tree and breaking her leg, but was more than willing to carry her to the hospital.

That's the textbook definition of sociopath.
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>>45357215

Mr A. A comic by Steve Ditko

>>45357261

>doesnt put himself at risk
>does what he can once the risk is gone

LN
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>>45357091
So a magical girl campaign with all the usual implied lesbianism?
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>>45356980
Not that much. If you can find a mana well, it's canonically easy to get mythic power.
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>>45357187

>Lewd Huldra
>Lewd White Estrid
>Hot Tian girls
>All those thralls and slave taking
>Trolls, wolves and vicious beasts prowling the lands
>Reputation Points for siring or having a child
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>>45357102
>whenever you attempt a skill check to create that item
Why would someone ever not take10 on magic item creation or attempt something they can't create while doing so?
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>>45357306
Don't forget making skinwalker girls say awoo when you're plowing them from behind
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>>45357306
>>45357334
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>>45357327

The constant clatter of dice appease the RNG gods
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>>45357364
>RNG gods
After playing too much ragnarok online I prefer to rely on RNGesus as little as possible.
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>>45357306
Reminder that you will never have voluptuous Tian and Ulfen women wearing Victoria's Secret wings for you.
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>>45357306
Maybe some mana transfers?
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>>45357383
Uh, is that legal? Serious question here, Jesus Christ.
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>>45357406
It's gone now; what was it?
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>>45357386

Maybe you just need to attend worship more often? Maybe sacrifice a little too
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>>45357425
It was the same as >>45357399
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>>45357425
Two lolis kissing, one brown wearing red. With tongue. Fate Stay Night.
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How did the Hell's Rebels end? And how much Mephisto was involved in this AP?
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>>45357386

How're those cards coming along, buddy?
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>>45357105
I may have to make thread for it later
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>>45357391
>Reminder that you will never have voluptuous Tian and Ulfen women wearing Victoria's Secret wings for you.

Anon, if lewd DM uses the setting and concept posted here >>45357306 and >>45357187, you'll totally have that.
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>>45357406
It aired on normal tv. All I have to say is Japan...
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>>45357399
Sure. http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/psionic-powers/b/bestow-power
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>>45357437
I fail to see why it wouldn't be legal, she's grabbing her wrists, they're not holding hands per se.
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>>45357575
Yeah, at like 3 in the morning.

Also Kuro is literally powered by lewd.
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Is this Touhoufag who got accepted by DSP for whatever shit Agata, as in that autistic dude who plays half-fae catboys with absolutely cringe-inducing, stupid histories and asinine personalities? The narcissistic fuck who consistently gets kicked out of games because he won't shut the fuck up and stop trying to play other people's characters?
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>>45357444
5 phens and no marc. It's x10 though.
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>>45357306

>you will never play an adorable Tian/Ulfen woman who uses her ravishing looks and vicious intelligence to wrap the party around her finger.
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>>45357625
Its not like its that scene from Lesbian Bear Storm.
Two girls with bear ears and gloves licking honey off a third girls naked body.
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>be kineticist
>have terrible will save
>DM let me get a magic item that grants me Distorted Hourglass Stance
Crisis averted.
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>>45357689

Touhoufag actually plays the system? I thought the narcissistic fuck you're talking about was BUILDPOSTER, who seems to have all the qualities you prescribe to Agata.
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>>45357705
>wrap the party around her finger

Anyone who has this as their goal is in for an unpleasant surprise.

Most players don't want their character wrapped around your character's finger.

You'll probably just annoy everyone and end up ditched or dead.

>inb4 you try to use your social skills on other PCs to force them to like you, not realizing it will only alienate their players and make them resent you.
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>>45357761

I've never played with the guy, thank Christ, but I've spoken with multiple people who equate Touhoufag with Agata and all of them find him consistently insufferable.
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>>45357764
That's more of an OoC thing, really. If the party goes into it with the goal of that sort of dynamic it can work great. Same goes for master/servant or apprentice relationships, or lovers.
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>>45357764
Not if she's putting out
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>>45357497
>>45357391
>>45357306
>>45357187
The current party does have an invite from a selkie to visit her up north, and eventually needs to visit the far east...

>>45357334
Oh god... the things one player put that poor, sweet awoo through...
>Before: pure and joyful tomboy
>After: eagerly obedient with an empty eyed, broken smile
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>>45357830
>Oh god... the things one player put that poor, sweet awoo through...
>>Before: pure and joyful tomboy
>>After: eagerly obedient with an empty eyed, broken smile

Oh I know exactly why I've got this sadness; and also a boner.
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...what's awoo referring to?
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>>45357951

The howling of a canine.

Don't worry too much about it, those guys are just bullshitting about their fetishes and have never experienced the events they describe.
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>>45357830
It's not violence when there is love.
Also head pats and plenty of aftercare. We're aiming for the lewd kind of positive reinforcement, not mindbreak.
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>>45357830
>Oh god... the things one player put that poor, sweet awoo through...

You got to break the wolf to make a dog, anon.
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>>45357689
Why does it matter?
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>>45357987
With all due respect, listening to a canine howl as one plows it from behind is among those things that should remain strictly in the realm of fantasy and never be actually experienced.
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>>45358059

Hahah, you're funny.

But everyone knows you've never roleplayed doing so and never will.
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>>45357689
He didn't get accepted by DSP, he donated art to them.

I doubt most of it'll be used, but it's still a hundred times better than Bloodforge's art.
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>>45358059

To be fair, the anon said "making a skinwalker SAY awoo", not "making a skinwalker awoo/go awoo" which means whatever the girl's doing while getting plowed, it's not actually howling.

"Awoo" is just a catch-all word for wolf-girls anyway.
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>>45358187
If she's not actually howling you need to try harder.
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Whoever suggested Ryuutama that other thread, thank you for giving me this gift. This is the softest, fluffiest, most comfortable RPG I've ever read.
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>>45358206

You're going to want a lot of sounds coming from your awoo, but howling should not be one of them.

Save that for striking fear into the hearts of your enemies.
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>>45358272
It's not "awoo"
It's "ah-ah-ah-w-wooo"
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>>45357689
>The narcissistic fuck who consistently gets kicked out of games because he won't shut the fuck up and stop trying to play other people's characters?

Sounds like a good storytime. Let's hear it.
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Novice here,
Im playing a caster for the first "Magus", and I have a stupid question regarding Shocking grasp. How do I cast it ? Do I roll for it separatly as if I was making a melee atk, or do I have to combine it with my melee atk. Im confused by this part in the description "Your successful melee touch attack deals 1d6 of dmg "
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>>45358314
First, you cast the spell. Then, you either walk up to them or you make a concentration check (DC 17, your bonus on the check is your caster level + your bonus spell stat) to avoid provoking attacks of opportunity (if you fail, you take an attack of opportunity and need to roll the same check but at a new DC of 11 + the damage you take).

It's then a melee attack against touch AC with a weapon that deals 1d6 electricity damage per caster level, that disappears once you touch someone or cast another spell.
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>>45358314
You make a separate attack as part of the spell. so if you use your spell combat class feature, you'd make a normal weapon attack and then the attack with shocking grasp (which is either with your free hand or with your weapon, since you're a magus.)

If you use your free hand, you don't have to worry about your targets armor at all since you're just trying to grab them, but if you use your weapon you get your weapon's damage and critical range (which is why rapier/scimitar magi are so popular).
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>>45357187
You run it, I'll play it, anon.
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>>45358293
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>>45358395
>>45358314
(Failure on the second check means you lose the spell, I should add.)
If you're actually playing a member of the magus class, then you can use spellstrike to deliver the touch and add your weapon attack damage on top of it, but it targets normal AC instead of touch AC.

Also, you get to keep making "touches" in place of normal attacks until you discharge the spell.
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What's a good replacement for a Skeletal Champion Fighter 2? to go up against level 2s?
The original fight is against level 1s or maybe 2s but these will definitely be 2 (maybe 3?) and will be of tougher stock.
The fight also has some other skeletons in it but i dont plan to change them much, they should be mooks to absorb blows.

I am thinking perhaps a path of war character will be threatening. His original version had improved disarm (to steal blunt weapons with his off hand so you couldn't hurt him), so perhaps a scarlet throne focused warlord? What makes the best einhander in POW?
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>>45358443
Is there a template/website for this?
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>>45358443
While, we're at it, you might be so kind and link the other source as well.
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>>45353646
There is a teamwork feat that lets you basically Message people you can see (who also have the feat). Of course, a limitation of sight might be too much for what you want.

Otherwise, magic items or carrier pigeons (or similar).
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>>45358211
I know that feel. I sort of want to convince my friends to play it.
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>>45358614
I'll be your friend, anon
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>>45358311
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/24529302/#24549606

Time to break out the old evidence that Touhoufag is victim of a massive smear campaign created by one, incredibly autistic faggot.
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>>45358395
>>45358397
>>45358444
Thanks for your answers, Im still confused, Im a little slow with magic in PF.

Right now I'm only a Lvl1 Magus, from what I understood is that at this point I can use Spellcombat as a FullRoundAction to hit with my Scimitar and Cast Shocking grasp with my other free hand.

By doing that, I get a -2 on my Scimitar atk roll, and also -2 if I cast ShockingGrasp with my free hand, but since it gives me a +3 vs metal, I'll be rolling with a +1, and it's going to be a touch atk, since I don't have acces to Spellstrike yet, am I correct ?

Now once I get Spellstrike(lvl2), I'll be able to cast ShockingGrasp with a total dmg of :
(2d6) + Scimitar(1d6 +Str Mod) against regular AC and not touch AC

Did I get this right guys ?
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>>45358653
Yes, you are correct.
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>>45358630
Honestly I'm still holding out hope for that SoL game we were talking about a few threads ago. I want to play the comfy tabletops.

>>45358636
Not to disagree with you, but he IS kind of an autist fuck. Not nearly as bad as that one anon was bellyaching, but he's definitely not the average anon.

>>45358653
Yup.

Honestly, though, Magus is not really a good choice for your first spellcaster. It's a good class, but it's fiddly as shit and has a ton of resources and "exception to the rule" abilities that make it difficult to play. On top of that, it's super squishy at low levels.
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>>45357399
>it's that webm
She can't keep getting away with this.
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>>45358636
If someone gets this much hate, he probably deserves it.
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>>45358724
Actually, yeah it is. Kid on kid is okay, adult on adult is okay. It's just adult on kid that's criminal.
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>>45358513
Yeah, right here
http://photofunia.com/categories/all_effects/morning_news

>>45358530
That one's here.
http://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=2514065
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>>45358728
>literal SJW logic
gb2>>>/paizo/
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>>45358785
>>literal SJW logic
Woah, hey, don't drag me into this.
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>>45358752
Kid on kid marketed to adults. And it's not like Kuro hasn't played tonsil hockey with adults.

She's a walking statutory charge.
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>>45358857
>And it's not like Kuro hasn't played tonsil hockey with adults.
Well if it still uses fate/stay rules then probably not. They don't retain their memories from each time, right? It's kind of like a saved copy was booted, and then deleted after each grail war. Or I'm mis-remembering
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>>45358904
They're copies of the original hero. I believe the original hero gets to go over their memories, if I recall correctly it was described as "like reading a book".
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>>45358904
Kuro's different. Also I'm pretty sure she made out with Shirou.
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>Weapons in Osirion and the surrounding regions tend to have the classical, streamlined designs seen in ancient statues. Even when made of iron or steel, these swords are often washed in bronze or copper to look older.
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>>45358904
Kuro isn't EMIYA in loli form, Kuro is the magically repressed magus side of Ilya which would've potentially grown up into everyone's favorite 18 year old murder loli in FSN. She uses the Archer card as a focus to manifest, then wishes herself to be a real girl when she turns face and is told the Einzbern line of magi is dead. She is explicitly Ilya and sees herself as such; they just call her Kuro/Chloe for simplicity's sake and to uphold the Masquerade.

>>45358923
And Taiga. She pretty much literally fucked herself in one of the OVAs.
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>>45358920
>>45358923
>>45359136
Should I actually look at that series? I've played F/SN, most of ataraxia while it wasn't finished with translation, and was tempted to try and read/watch this. Then I saw the mana transfer scenes and lost interest. Is it actually any good and those scenes don't ruin the rest of the show?
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>>45359182

>tfw no Best Caster in series
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>>45359182
Yeah those are from an AU side show where Ilya became a magical girl. Go watch Fate/Zero for srs bsns instead, it's amazing.
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>>45359182
>>45359204
Prisma Ilya is a half-decent show the writers decided to pad out with loli bait rather than make it the rest of the way decent.
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>>45359182
How much loli fanservice can you take, anon? If it's high, watch the first two seasons and the back end of the third. If you can't, start with the 3rei manga, about five ish chapters in.
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>>45359204
>>45359226
>>45359254
Danke.
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Our characters have recently been exposed to a host of diseases during a fight with some kind of pestilence daemon that was hiding in the sewers under a plague-ridden city. The monk and barbarian both walked away clean, but my slayer, the party's wizard, and our oracle all have at least one disease. One that both the wizard and my slayer have is described as a magical disease (they're all magical diseases actually that "dulls your sense of pain and clouds your judgement" and aside from giving a -1 penalty on will saves until cured it prevents you from knowing how many hit points you have at a given time beyond at max HP, above half HP, or below half HP. I'm not really sure if I should be angry about this, it feels kinda meta, plus it could make it easy for the DM to fudge damage rolls since he says he won't tell me how much damage I take from attacks so that I can reverse engineer my HP (he'll be keeping track of it instead).

Am I overreacting? We can probably cure the disease, but we need to get to somewhere we can get Remove Curse since it requires that and Remove Disease to cure.
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>>45359136
>would've potentially grown up into everyone's favorite 18 year old murder loli in FSN

I fucking hate this stupid, erroneous idea. I fucking hate Prisma Illya. And I fucking hate you.

Kuro's characterization is so absolutely fucking disparate from the original Ilya that any comparison there might have been is meaningless. Prisma Illya is fucking cancer, an absolute travesty that does not deserve to exist when the money that went into it could have been more productively used on a series that wasn't dime-a-dozen mahou shoujo rubbish., and everyone who approves of it and propagates it is a worthless moefag who the world would be better off without.

Where is the attention to detail that got me into this setting? At the very least, Prisma Illya makes references to how things are supposed to work and maintains the general characterization of some characters (ironically not fucking Illya herself, though!), but it's all superficial. It's this cursory adherence to the Nasuverse and decent animation that tricks ignorant people into thinking Prisma Illya is acceptable when it's actually a plummet in quality.

This series is actually fucking shit, yet is somewhat popular 1) because of its tenuous connection to the Nasuverse, 2) because moefags will latch on to any inane thing that triggers their innocence boner, and 3) because people love Illya, even though she's not actually even in this fucking show; there are characters that happen to have designs that are based on Illya's, but Illya herself, as seen in Fate, the one people fell for in the first place, is utterly absent due to the plot's circumstances. And if Kuro is supposed to be the closest equivalent to that Illya, than her characterization is, frankly, totally botched.

Hiroyama is a fucking stupid hack and I hope he dies a coward's death.
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>>45359388
>being this mad about chinese cartoons
bruh. Stop. The Nasuverse, in its entirety, is stupid, awfully-written crap. Nothing of value has come out of it, at all. It's just fun to watch/read. It doesn't have to be anything else.

It's very much like PF, in that regard. You can have fun with it, despite what it is, not because of what it is.
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>>45359388
We Heaven's Feel now.
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Thread new thread new thread new thread:

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>>45359659
>>45359659
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>>45359661
We are only on page six.
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>>45359684
who fucking cares?
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>>45359661
Slow your roll.
>>45359388
Control your autism or gb2/beast'slair/
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>>45359475
>obvious secondary who only watched the anime or got into stupid Fate garbage
>never knew the actual quality of Kara no Kyoukai and Tsukihime untainted by absolute shit like CCC, Apocrypha, and Grand Order

Nasu used to put actual effort into his work. After Mahoyo under-performed, he's gotten lazy and peddles garbage while throwing the IP to authors who don't have nearly the talent he used to show, let alone up to the standard of quality that Urobuchi demonstrated before them.

There was a time when Type-Moon used to be good. It's godawful now, and it's idiots like you who gobble it up. Congratulations, you are the lowest common denominator.
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>>45359747
>Nasu used to put actual effort into his work.

Have you ever read any of his interviews? Or afterwords? Nasu doesn't give two shits about a coherent world and is a pathological liar. He takes the easy way out whenever he can and deliberately does no setting work so people like you can sperg out about it.

The only secondary here is you, for getting worked by a man who shits out urban fantasy drivel that you willingly gobble from Tohsaka's anus.
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Can ranged weapons be made out of special materials?
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>>45359830
Unless there's a restriction in the special material description then yes. Whether or not it'll do anything is something else entirely.
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>>45359811
>implying I give a fuck what you think
>implying Nasu doesn't just write whatever the fuck he feels like and people lap it up
He's not a good writer. He's a solid entertainer, though.

Also >>45359826
But let's be honest, you're the one who is getting legitimately angry about chinese porn vidya/comics/cartoons. Not even particularly good ones, either.

>>45359873
Darkwood is pretty much as good as mithral for bows, isn't it? I need to take a look at that part of the book again.
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>>45359873
So if you had a material that had, say, an innate, scaling Enhancement bonus that was based on BaB, and it made enchantments put onto the weapon into Ex abilities, along with dealing double the base weapon damage to creatures vulnerable to Cold Iron/Spellcasters/things with SLAs, which parts of this, if any, would apply?

All? None? Just the innate bits, but the damage doesn't? The reverse?
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>>45359826
>Have you ever read any of his interviews? Or afterwords?

Did you, faggot? No, he stressed the details so fucking much because he was afraid people would come up to him at cons and call him a liar about the consistency of his own world.

Early Nasu was concerned about the structure of his world and disliked moefaggotry to the point where Takeuchi had to convince him to put more of it in the work. You can read this as far back as the fucking Kusarihime interview, you dumb cunt. Current Nasu clearly doesn't give a shit, however, given the nature and content of CCC and Grand Order.

I've never thought Nasu's works were fucking masterpieces or anything, but at least they weren't worthless pandering trash to moefaggots and lolicons.
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>>45359960
>So if you had a material that had, say, an innate, scaling Enhancement bonus that was based on BaB, and it made enchantments put onto the weapon into Ex abilities, along with dealing double the base weapon damage to creatures vulnerable to Cold Iron/Spellcasters/things with SLAs, which parts of this, if any, would apply?
I guess the enhancement bonus would apply to ranged attacks. I'm not sure about EX abilities from magical enhancements. The double damage to vulnerable shouldn't apply, unless it was on the ammo.

I'm not good at off the cuff judgments so you'd want a second opinion.
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>>45360036
The Ex thing doesn't really do anything to how they work, it just makes them not shut off in anti-magic and shit. Basically means that your sword is no longer magical, it's just made REALLY fucking well and the universe went "Well shit nigger, fine, it can fucking light itself on fire. Chill, man."
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>>45359960
Sounds awful like a GM call, guy. Such a material doesn't exist in the base game, which means it's already houserule stuff.
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>>45360076
I know it's a GM call, just looking for what other people think before going and pestering them.
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>>45359902
>"implying I give a fuck what you think"

Clearly you do or you wouldn't feel the need to respond to my opinion at all.

And what Nasu wanted to write before was distinctly different from what he wanted to write now. He wanted to write Rakkyou and Tsukihime and those works had an actual sense of quality and effort to them despite their raw nature.

Fate is just about what it means to be a hero. Fate/Extra is about war. CCC is about fanservice. Everything released the last couple years was about fanservice and pandering and had absolutely zero substance. Power levels have skyrocketed and characterization is at an all time low. The Nasuverse has become a reflection of Toaru at this point, a franchise that started out itself mimicking Type-Moon.
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>>45359972
You do realize, from actually looking at the text that was a bullshit excuse, right? If you don't, I have a bridge to sell you.

The man had to pull an alternate universe retcon separating Rakkyo and Tsukihime instead of owning up and explaining why DAs weren't a thing in Rakkyo/why his super sekrit Eyes were on two characters. They had to rewrite Overlooking View for the movie because it was incomprehensible garbage in prose form. Arcueid and Ryougi exist because they were Nasu's fetishes (instead of Takeuchi, who was twin maids and Saberfaces). Fujinon and Azaka were moefaggotry of their time, and Nasu has reused those archetypes in every fucking thing he's written. You're just a child crying about shit you don't like. And as a child, your arms are too short to slap box with the adults here. So shut up dude, sit down man, and relax.
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>>45355471
>Valkyries
>Chaotic
>literally pursue a rigid code concerning those slain in battle

Anon...
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So apart from the art being really, really bad and unsubtle (I'm guessing the entire budget for Hells Vengeance went on lube for JJ and Crystal's beat-raw cocks) the first book doesn't seem that offensive.
Mostly its just a series of events something along the lines of
'Can you stop acting retarded plz townsfolk?'
"NEVER. VIVA LA REVOLUTION"
'Stop breaking into the Jail you stupid fucks! Or there'll be consequences'
"What do you mean you're going to execute someone?! OPPRESSORS"
'Ah shit they set a building on fire, for fuck sake!'
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>>45356484
Don't forget; everyone with high scores must exercise if they are a species that can exercise.

If someone didn't exercise, they wouldn't have high ability scores in the first place, because they'd be little limp-wristed low STR concubines.
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>>45360314
To be fair, no one said good has to be sensible or that evil has to be insane.
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>>45360119
Okay then, what are Tsukihime and Rakkyo about, since you've botched Fate so badly. Hint: Fate's about the crushing weight of ideals and breaking free from the mistakes of your forebears. It's also about historical figures cockfighting and putting your penis in one of three women.
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>>45360296
Alignment arguments are the only thing stupider than Nasuverse arguments, and we already have that as our stupid argument for quota.
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>>45360361
Jacobs does.
All the time in fact.
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>>45360293
>alternate universe retcon separating Rakkyo and Tsukihime instead of owning up and explaining why DAs weren't a thing in Rakkyo/why his super sekrit Eyes were on two characters.

It wasn't the MEoDP or Dead Apostles, moron. Touko encounters Dead Apostles alongside Lugh in Mahoyo just fine and the universe doesn't implode or anything. The problem was Arcueid, and it wasn't the fact that she existed, it was that she came out of Castle Brunestud and is hanging out with a fucking Japanese teenager. Arcueid would represent the ideal perfect humanoid form that Touko's path to Akasha is seeking, so going to Misaki Cho and convincing Arcueid to let Touko research her would be an easy access to Maelstrom of Origins, and that would defeat the point.

>They had to rewrite Overlooking View for the movie because it was incomprehensible garbage in prose form.

Have you even fucking read Overlooking View? It's the movie that fucked it up, and they didn't even really rewrite it - not the lines at least. They just copied the text from pretty much the first part of every conversation rather than the actual relevant discussions and dialogue, so the actual point and meaning of the movie is totally fucking lost. What they did add was the two action scenes in the movie, but that's hardly a big rewrite.

You must be thinking of Oblivion Recorder, which WAS rewritten relatively extensively. But even then, it wasn't because the prose was incomprehensible, it was because the chapter was so unabashedly dark due to its subject matter.

>Arcueid/Ryougi exist because they were Nasu's fetishes

And yet he went out of his way to give them legitimate characterization and attempted to instill a degree of depth in them, something you simply don't see in his current heroines. Well, he at least tried in F/E, but come CCC all effort in that regard was thrown out the window.

I've run out of room, but I've already shot down as erroneous all of your possibly legitimate complaints, so fuck you.
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>>45360076
Yeah, but generally it's the magic itself that lends itself to the ammo. I guess since EX abilities get to break the laws of reality I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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>>45360920
Whoops, wrong post>>45360076
meant this one >>45360074
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>>45356062
I couldn't tell ya man.
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>>45360379
>Fate's about the crushing weight of ideals and breaking free from the mistakes of your forebears.

the ideals of being a fucking *hero*

>It's also about mythological *heroes* cockfighting

ftfy, you retard

Fate as a series is about *heroes.* That is the unifying concept.

Kiritsugu wanted to be a hero.
Shirou wanted to be a hero.
EMIYA wanted to be a hero.

Well, to be accurate, they wanted to be allies of justice, a certain type of hero. But becoming a hero does not mean you will be an ally of justice, merely that you will be renowned by humanity. Then we cascade into all of the "utilitarianism actually sucks pretty hardcore" stuff that made Urobuchi praise Fate so highly.

While it is not untrue that breaking free from the mistakes of your forebears is something of a theme, it is one only really reflected in the exploration of Shirou and EMIYA in the original game and isn't really relevant to the nature of the Heroic Spirits themselves.

Excalibur is the materialization of the human desire for "glory," the high renown that names one a hero. Not justice, not goodness, not ideals as a whole. Glory.

Fate is about heroes, dumbfuck.

As to Rakkyou, it's about... a lot of things, depending on the chapter, because it's a messy story, but the overarching theme is about death and the taijiu (as in the parallels between two things existing in equilibrium and also, being the diagram of the supreme ultimate, Akasha). It's also about Nasu wanking to Mage: The Ascension and about how Clocktower doesn't know what the fuck it's doing Christ almighty.

Tsukihime is about life, death, and eternity. Shiki and Roa are actually really well done foils.
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>>45359741
Seems like a lot of people.
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>>45361179
>taijiu

I mean taijitu. This fucking thing.
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Is there any way to redeem Swashbuckler at all?

Houserules included.
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>>45361303
Houserules yes, but default swashbuckler is sweaty rancid garbage.
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>>45361303
Play the Cavalier archetype instead.
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