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The worst Primarch
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>>45327744
If this were a Russ thread it'd have 20 comments by now
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>>45327955
Well people actually like Russ.
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>>45327744
I am quite like him and Angeron IRL.
Explains why I have no friends.
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>>45327744
But that isn't Ferrus Manus
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>>45327744
You meant "best", right?
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>>45329638
let me guess you're Intelligent, Nihilistic with a Wicked Sense of Humor

>>45329541
he is pretty fucking based
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>>45327744
Dorn looks pretty weird in that pic.
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>>45327744
Oh look, it's Alpharius disguised as Perturabo.

Because of course Alpharius is so smart and unbeatable that he could totally pretend to be another primarch and fool even the emperor. And even if someone did see past his disguise, it was all part of his plan to fail so it's automatically a win.

Don't you guys know that Alpharius is perfect and never loses?
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>>45329959
>That is/isn't Alpharius
When did this become a meme?
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>>45329977
Not even memeing, I just really hate how Mary Sue, perfect and unbeatable Alpharius is portrayed in the fluff.

It's like Curze got the Batman fluff but Alpharius got the Batman crunch.
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>>45329977
2012
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>>45329977
It's always been a meme.
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Best Primarch
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>>45330048

Lold. Well played, indeed.
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>>45330048
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>>45330048
>>45330189
What's so socialist about Corax? The Raven Guard's homeworld is practically Mega City One.
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>>45330239
http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Corvus_Corax

Lurk moar
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>>45327744
You used the wrong pic, that's not Angron.
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>>45329638
When Angron's not murdering people (so about 3% of the time) he's fairly likeable, albeit bitter

>Angron had laughed, the sound rich and true. ‘Such pretty lies! We fight for the same reasons men have always fought: for land, for resources, for wealth and for bodies to feed into the grinders of industry. We fight to silence anyone that dares draw breath and whisper a different opinion from ours. We fight because the Emperor wants every world in his hands. All he knows is slavery, painted in the inoffensive cloak of compliance. The very notion of freedom is a horror to him.

>You are free, Leman Russ of Fenris, because your freedom matches the Emperor’s will. For each time I wage war against worlds that threaten the Imperium’s advance, there comes another time when I am told to conquer peaceful worlds that wish only to be left alone. I am told to destroy whole civilisations and call it liberation. I am told to demand millions of men and women from these new worlds, to make them take up arms in the Emperor’s hordes, and I am told to call this a tithe, or recruitment, because we are too scared of the truth. We refuse to call it slavery.

>I am loyal, the same as you. I am told to bathe my Legion in the blood of innocents and sinners alike, and I do it, because it is all that’s left for me in this life. I do these things, and I enjoy them, not because we are moral, or right – or loving souls seeking to enlighten a dark universe – but because all I feel are the Butcher’s Nails hammered into my brain. I serve because of this “mutilation”. Without it? Well, perhaps I might be a more moral man, like you claim to be. A virtuous man, eh? Perhaps I might ascend the steps of our father’s palace and take the slaving bastard’s head!

At the very least, he has his ideals and he acts on them, which is more than can be said for Curze
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>>45327744
At least you have the Iron Cage going for you, brother.
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>>45330372
>“What would you know of struggle, Perfect Son? When have you fought against the mutilation of your mind? When have you had to do anything more than tally compliances and polish your armour?” […] “The people of your world named you Great One. The people of mine called me Slave. Which one of us landed on a paradise of civilisation to be raised by a foster father, Roboute? Which one of us was given armies to lead after training in the halls of the Macraggian high-riders? Which one of us inherited a strong, cultured kingdom? And which one of us had to rise up against a kingdom with nothing but a horde of starving slaves? Which one of us was a child enslaved on a world of monsters, with his brain cut up by carving knives? Listen to your blue-clad wretches yelling of courage and honour, courage and honour, courage and honour. Do you even know the meaning of those words? Courage is fighting the kingdom which enslaves you, no matter that their armies outnumber yours by ten-thousand to one. You know nothing of courage. Honour is resisting a tyrant when all others suckle and grow fat on the hypocrisy he feeds them. You know nothing of honour.”

He was surprisingly good at laying the verbal smackdown, as well as the physical
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>>45330357
>implying I haven't

Motherfucker that's why I'm asking, because I want to know what about him made people think that.
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>>45330372
Well, sanity loss tends to get in the way of having "ideals".

And even then he genuinely cared about Nostromo and about killing criminals. Those are ideals, are they not?
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>>45330398
>"You’re still a slave, Angron. Enslaved by your past, blind to the future. Too hateful to learn. Too spiteful to prosper."
Fuck you.
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>>45330495
well he had literal brain damage.
and yet he was an eloquent bastard.
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>>45330398
Angron a based
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>>45330553
But isn't he always whining about the nails? Sure it isn't a good thing, but hey - he is stilla Primarch. Emperor-sama should be able to pull them out somehow.
I'm actually quite sad how the whole Horus Heresy played out. At least Big-E should have tried to get the nails out, instead of just going "Well, there you have an army of superdudes, do as you like."
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>>45330412
Not him, but leading a worker's rebellion in the mines and factories of Deliverance is kind of old-school communist/socialist and and dismissing the Terrans that survived Battle of Gate Forty-Two to the Nomad fleets for being too oppressive/reminding him of the leaders he'd overthrown is a little bleeding-heart for a supersoldier

>>45330451
True. Well, until he shattered it, anyway.

>>45330495
They're both right (hell, Angron knows he's a slave >>45330398), but only one of them has literally got spikes in his head.
Not to mention being more eloquent than Guilliman's "shut up, you're a dick", which notably completely fails to address any of Angron's points
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>>45330372
I like the idea that Angron would have stood against the lunacy that was the Great Crusade if he hadn't been forced into it at gunpoint and made addicted to the slaughter. I mean, I'm not even a chaosfag and I can tell that the Emperoro's plan was pointlessly counterproductive in almost every way.
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>>45330664
Being Angron is suffering.

>>45330697
Well, there comes a point where you have to give up and say "fuck this shit, I'm out"
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>>45330697
>Not him, but leading a worker's rebellion in the mines and factories of Deliverance is kind of old-school communist/socialist and and dismissing the Terrans that survived Battle of Gate Forty-Two to the Nomad fleets for being too oppressive/reminding him of the leaders he'd overthrown is a little bleeding-heart for a supersoldier
That's not even socialism, that's just being nice.
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>>45330372
>>45330398
>bitches and moans about his butchers nails
>immediately implants them into his legion

He was a hypocrite who simply hated authority, all authority, and developed rationalizations in order to do so.
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>>45330825
he implanted them in his legion because everyone he fought with in the pits wore them.
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>>45330825
Brain-damaging neural implants tend to do that to a person.
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>>45330878
>>45330896

Again. He bitches and moans about them constantly. He says they're sooo bad. Soo terrible. And then he jams them into his new legion because 'nostalgia'.

He's a hypocrite, like all chaos fags
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>>45330925
He's kinda right. Angron always bitches about his nails, but the first thing he does is implanting them in his Legion. And then he just moans about "muh NAAAAAIIIILS!!!".
I think he could have been handled better in the HH.
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>>45327744
>worst

Lot of competition in that field.
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>>45330825
Say what you want for what they do to the rest of your life, the Nails do make you better at killing.

Given that that's all Angron has left, it's a semi-logical move - especially when you consider the force that was mustered on Bodt to await his arrival, a combination of bloody and somewhat mistrusted units whose assemblage was described by Sanguinius as "the Emperor is assembling a carnival of monsters for his amusement, though I doubt whoever he unleashes them upon will see the jest" - given that force to command, and tasked almost solely with destruction, making his men take pleasure in slaughter (the only kind of pleasure he knows personally) doesn't seem so retarded.

Not to mention the camaraderie >>45330878 mentions
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>>45331279
>described by Sanguinius as "the Emperor is assembling a carnival of monsters for his amusement, though I doubt whoever he unleashes them upon will see the jest"
Hello pot, meet kettle.
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>>45327744
Here, have a better photo.
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>>45331312
True, from what the new book pics show it's not like the Bangles were much better.

Still, this was an unusually brutal selection of units mustered, including abhumans only just human enough to be allowed (yes, again pot-kettle coming from Sang)

And then Angron's just dropped into the command, no period shadowing the Emperor or other primarchs.

Implanting the Nails wasn't a good thing, but I can at least see some of his reasons for doing it.
And it's more his entire deal he's bitter over, including having to screw people over, not just "muh nails"
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Thats not lorgar
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>>45327744
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>>45329977
the second legion came out
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Despite my hate for Russ I still blame everything on Magnus
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>>45330925

That's literally the only reason I hate him. He speaks one way and acts another, he refuses to better himself in a meaningful way simply to spite those around him.

He could have been the hero who overcame it all. But instead he became the berserker who wants to end it all.
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>>45332637
Kek at his face.
And the PJs

>>45332508
I'm glad FW have said they'll be looking at the Solar War in the fairly near future, it'll be good to see Dorn get a bit of screen time as he's forced into a Warmaster-like role and hopefully he'll get a bit of development too - up until now, we've pretty much only actually seen him being angry:
Angry at Curze for dreaming of the Emp's failure
Angry at Garro for >implying Horus could be a traitor
Absolutley blindingly angry at Pert and Himself for the results of the Heresy
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>>45327744
ruleswise, you may be right. 1500pts for 11 attacks, a large blast and 5+ invul saves...
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>>45330664
I don't know if Big E himself tried to remove the nails, but IIRC Malcador himself took a look at Angron and decided that the Nails couldn't be removed without killing him.

>>45330878
>>45330925

Betrayer seemed to indicate that it was the World Eaters themselves who all volunteered to stick the nails in their heads, as a gesture of solidarity with Angron.
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Angron was the biggest hypocrite of the bunch, don't believe that people actually like him
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>>45331368
Anyone else think the tubes makes him look like an old woman trying to get ringlets?
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>>45330762
And now you know one of the core tenants of socialism: just be nice to people you assfucks.
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>>45330372
Fucking awesome.
I'm glad someone wrote this out, I generally avoid the Horus Heresy books but it's great that they addressed the fact that the Emperor was completely chill with the horrible society he found Angron fighting against.
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>>45334718
>Emperor was completely chill with the horrible society he found Angron fighting against.

that's not true. Angron's homeworld agreed to join the imperium peacefully, why would he go down there a fuck up a world that accepted his invitation? Emps would have ended the slavery and shit, that would have came along with compliance.
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>>45333976
>Betrayer seemed to indicate
of course it does. Betrayer was written by ADB, and ADB's favorites can't have flaws that actually begin with them; everything is evil dad's fault and evil childhood's fault and everyone else who doesn't appreciate how great his favorites are is a big dumb meanie who's mean and dumb.
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>>45334827
Again, I haven't read the HH books, but old fluff was pretty explicit that the big E let Angron's army die. If he had any sympathy for them, I assume he would have ordered the compliant slave lords to stand down and not kill the people who he had arguably arrived to help. He doesn't even have to destroy the whole society, just say "If you wanna be in the Imperium, you have to let all your slaves go and spare the rebels, or else we will end you." Does the HH series ever cover this, or anything else to do with Angron's homeworld's fate?
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>>45327744
Yeah, right. No primarch is good, they are all either neurotic wreaks, entitled manchildren or just straight up dumb.
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>>45330189
>Corax
>Slav

Is this part of some meme or something? He looks more Native American to me.
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>>45335180
Looks more like Conan.
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>>45332637
Magnus did nothing wrong. NOTHING WRONG.
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>>45335337
What about turning to Chaos?
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>>45332508
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>>45335395
What else he can do? Just wait and let his homeworld get fucked by Emperor who didn't even read the the message he sent and instead sent a braindead savage furry just because the Emperor didn't approve his communication method? Oh, he already did that actually.
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>>45335523
Instead of throwing a brick through the Emperors window with his message attached to it, didn't he basically throw a molotov cocktail through the Emperors window with his message attached to it?
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I always saw Curze as a tragic figure.

He was always meant to be judge, jury and executioner, and might have even managed to fill that role if he hadn't been constantly assailed by the worst of the worst of futures in his visions.
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>>45335560
Nigga. Magnus actually have no choice. There is a chance that the message get lost, late, unreachable, blocked, or tampered by Horus or his ally if he use the normal mean. And he need to deliver the message as soon as possible so the Emperor will have time to prepare the force to deal with Horus treachery. So he pick the fastest, unblockable, incorruptible method he can find. And the end justifies the means. Even it's mean tying the message on a Nuclear ICBM and launch it to Emperor's personal toilet.
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>>45335423
I really like Dorn tho. Even bought a miniature resembling him. And the whole Iron Cage incident or whatever it is called, was on purpose to cleanse himself and his chapter of the guilt of failure. After all, if he was alittle quicker he might have been able to aid the Emperor rather than carry his shriveling body out of Horus' flagship.
Btw, what happened to Horus' body? O.o
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>>45335641
>Horus's body
Left to the Sons of Horus, later stolen by fabulous bill
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>>45330048
>One eye
>Home brought to ruin

i lol'd until i remembered i live there.
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>>45335635
Then he should have just have died instead. Clearly he had outlived his usefulness. Everything he did from that point has been of no benefit for humanity.
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>>45329977
1990 something.
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>>45329913
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>>45330189
Okay Curzefag, I keked pretty hard at this, not bad.
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>>45327744
You just need a hug.

A big, strong and warm one.
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>>45327744
It's not alpharius.
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>>45335635
>Magnusfag logic
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>>45335635
>have no choice
he did have a choice, he just wanted to prove he was right by doing it with magic
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>>45337029
>>45337048
My favorite part of the lore is when Russ kicks Fagnus in the eye then goes all Bane on his spinal column.
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>>45336348
It's okay fellow britfag. It's okay to admit Britain is dying.
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>>45337087

Im a fucking idiot, meant for >>45335731
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>>45337087
fucking idiot
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>>45329638
Wrong.
You are Alpharius
Source-I am Alpharius .
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>>45338010
>t. Omegon
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>>45335641
>And the whole Iron Cage incident or whatever it is called, was on purpose to cleanse himself and his chapter of the guilt of failure.
Making him dumber than Pertu-"let's kill 1/10 of my legion for not being the best"-rabo
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>>45337048
>Implying magic is not the best way to send a SMS.
>>45337029
>>45337079
Go fuck a dog or something, furfag.
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>>45330189
>cinnamon roll
what?
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>>45338672
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>>45330239
>implying Hollande is even remotely socialist
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>>45332726

Not to mention APOPLECTIC at Sigismund

The Crimson Fist was a shitty short but man, that scene did a lot to redeem it.
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>>45330357
>Linking fan-fic codex copypasta wiki

gross
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>>45330239
He led a workers revolt against the corrupt autocrats of his world. Like everything else in that image it's an exaggeration for a sake of a joke.
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>>45330372
>When Angron's not murdering people (so about 3% of the time) he's fairly likeable, albeit bitter

He's pretty bro-tier and friendly with Lorgar for whatever reason.

Granted Lorgar seems to get along well with everyone except Guilliman. And even Rowboat didn't like what the Emperor did to him, he was forced to go along with it.
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>>45340538
What did he get pissed at Sigi for?

I know he came damn close to killing Garro for even >implying Horus turned.
Though I think a part of that is that he got on pretty well with big H

Dorn's basically got two modes, stoic-serious and raging, but I still kind of like the guy.
Definitely looking forward to the Solar War stuff
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The Emperor could have avoided a lot of shit by picking out the Primarchs who hated each other and forcing them to work together until they tolerated each other.

Magnus and Russ could have been a great buddy-cop pair. Just put them up against some kind of really reprehensible enemy where the collateral damage doesn't matter whatsoever, like some kind of horrible furry-Draka Empire, and wait for them to come out the other side down half their virus bombs and drinking shitty whiskey.
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>>45330398
>"You [Lorgar] kept that mule Kor Phaeron. Russ kept his kin-friends. The Lion kept Luther. Humans - brothers and foster fathers - saved and raised into Legion ranks. But not me. Not Angron, no. Did the Emperor teleport his gold-wrapped Custodians down to help me and my army? No. Did he free the War Hounds and order them to battle, fight alongside me? No. Did he save my brothers and sisters the way he spared and honoured the Lion's closest kin? The way he honoured Kor Phaeron? No, no and no. No mercy for Angron. Angron the Oathbreaker. Angron the Betrayer."
I feel the books actually did a decent job making Angron vaguely sympathetic and slightly deeper than "MAIM KILL BURN"
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>>45330372
Can i have a torrent link?
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>>45330372
>hates authority
>sells himself to Khorne
inb4 "didn't sell himself to Khorne"
Of course he did, he's an idiot who's just fighting whoever Khorne points him at.
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>>45343267
That's the whole irony of Angron, that all he accomplished in the end is to get himself enslaved again for the rest of eternity. Also, Lorgar sold him to Khorne.
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>>45334889

angron went back there and butchered the world
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>>45340629
No one respected Lorgar, even his own legion kinda felt shamed by him

>>45342530
>it's another "Angron bitches about everything, never tries to fix anything" episode
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>>45343551
What's he supposed to fix about things that already happened? He isn't a time traveler. And he did revolt at the first opportunity where it had any chance of working.
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>>45340685
Sig was meant to go with the fleet
He met keeler and she prophesied he needed to stay since he had to be at the siege
So he said no and sent Pollux - who turned out to be a genius and almost would have wiped out the ironbitches at Phall killing pertadumbo
Dorn had a go at him for it and the said as its war I can't demote you due to morale
Basically mehmet my son I am diasspoint
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>>45343812

that storyline always annoyed me, like polux was winning and is praised for blindly following orders and allowing his force to get smashed.

I know the fists are meant to be all "duty above all else" but really they could do with some common sense
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>>45343551
By Betrayer Orgar is a Machiavellian schemer who out maneuvers and verbally smacks down Erebus and Kor Phaeron. He also holds his own against Guilliman

It's time to move past his wimpy depictions in first heretic
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>>45343812
Man, chain of command is important and all, but it's not like Sigi was a better fleet commander that the guys he sent like Pollux

Still, it does seem every time Dorn rages the situation will have him in the wrong
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>>45344160
But at first he nearly dies to the Warlord Titan and Angron has to safe him, then Guilliman nearly ruins his ritual until Angron shows up and during the ritual he gets beaten up again and Angron has to save his ass again. He was a very good schemer and he was right about Erebus and Kor Phaeron being idiots who think that they can toy around with the future as much they like, but he wasn't that much of a great warrior.
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>>45329977
When the worst BL novel of all time Legion came out.
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>>45335560
I like the fact that Magnus told Emperor that Horus was heretic and Emperor was like nah it cant be and sent Russ to get him without any restrictions on Horus,
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>>45344672
Magnus didn't tell him shit. He barged into the Emperor's throne room in the form of some Daemonic entity using Tzeentch's power, destroying the Webway in the process, was mentally chastised for the Emperor for being retarded, and then got pulled back to his body without fulfilling his original goal.
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>>45330697
But Bobby G shut him down pretty good.
All Angron does is whine and ruin, he hasn't built anything, he hasn't improved life for anyone.
Even fucking Curze turned Nostramo from a lawless hellhole into a pretty nice place to live
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>>45344672
IIRC The Emperor dispatched Russ to just bring Magnus back to Terra, but Horus intercepted the order and changed it to annihilation. Russ already had a huge beef with Magnus so he gladly accepted the change.
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>>45346926
>Russ already had a huge beef with Magnus so he gladly accepted the change.
When will this meme end?
Not only did he try to contact him through standard means, but when that failed he tried to contact him through Hawser (not realizing he was duped, but still)
And during the battle of the fang Magnus said that when they fought beneath Prospero's skies that day Russ had "tears in his eyes and grief in his voice"
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>>45346184
>into a pretty nice place to live
Literally "Living in Fear: The Planet"
And it went right back to what it was when he left.

I can't say he's done anything other than ruin, but I don't know that he actually can - the Nails really, really suck, and would have killed him fairly soon if he hadn't been demonified

I find G-man's response a bit weak though, telling someone whose entire past has been being shat on (and the literal brain damage) that he should just "get over it", while completely ignoring what Angron points out, that of all the primarchs he had every advantage, that's a bit rich

Angron encouraging the development of the nails within his legion, now that is a kind of hypocritical dick move, but on the other hand it did make his men more aggressive, and it was something the legion very much wanted - when he arrived he quickly became the pinnacle of warriorhood to his legion, uniting where before it was fractious, and they gladly accepted the Nails as a way to be more like their primarch. It's worth noting that, powerful as he was, even Angron couldn't have forced basically his entire legion to adopt the Nails, and yet they did
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>>45347034
>the Nails really, really suck, and would have killed him fairly soon if he hadn't been demonified
Curze was haunted by insane visions, and yet even he tried to do some good before he eventually went overboard.
>It's worth noting that, powerful as he was, even Angron couldn't have forced basically his entire legion to adopt the Nails, and yet they did
He still just said "say no more ", when the far more humane and kinder option would have been to refuse them, a la Ferrus telling his sons not to overdo it with the augmentics
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>>45335635
>He had no choice
He saw there were many powerful wards around the emperor and instead of just reaching out to Malcador or Rogal Dorn or someone else nearby he's just like "Fuck it these wards probably weren't important anyway" and SMASHES THEM TO BITS WITH HIS MIND just to send a simple fucking message.
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>>45347088
>he far more humane and kinder option
He was never going to do that, I'm saying he's not terrible, not that he wasn't a bloodthirsty son of a bitch.

It suited his methods and his sons wanted it - while it may have been somewhat hypocritical (though the marines did have the choice, as shown by the rare few left unmodified by Istvaan) it's hardly a stupid decision that's forced on the marines, as it's often made out to be.

And Ferrus didn't manage to tell his sons, he lost his head before he got the chance
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>Be Angron
>Complain about butcher's nails
>Give my soldiers butcher's nails
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>>45347299
Yeah you tend to make stupid decisions when there's nails in your brain.
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>>45347299
>Be Angron
>Have nails forced into my brain
>Nails make me an ungodly capable fighter
>Get given an army
>They're good, but could be more powerful
>They want nails to be like me and be better fighters
>Give them nails, they're more powerful
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>>45344636
It was a Warhound, not a Warlord, and the main reason why the thing almost killed him is because he was too busy trying to save his boy Angron, who got buried under a building for being too angry to fall back.
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>>45347430
>get played like a fiddle by baldie and preacher boy
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>>45346975

Yeah, Magnus kind of fucked up there. Why didn't he just order his Legion to surrender instead of shutting down communications and orbital defenses, leaving the Sons and the Spineguard to fight a hopeless battle?
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>>45350403
He sort of did.
Mostly he was too caught up in himself and his failings to directly order it with any authority, so he was just hanging out on his pyramid.

But the legions take after their primarchs, and the Sons, led by Ahriman were unwilling to accept that they should stand down - they were every bit as arrogant as Magnus in that regard.

It was only after the Wolves had trashed most of his city and his legion that Maguns broke his silence and fought back for his sons, but by then it was all but too late
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