>>45325974 >Fantasy wasn't selling well >3rd most selling miniatures game in 2011 >4th in 2012 >dropped out of the top 5 in 2013
Looks to me like GW fucked up with 8th edition horde rules requiring more models, switching from plastic and pewter to resin and keeping the prices the same or increasing (despite saying they would decrease because cheaper material), dropping specialist games completely, and End Times just completely fucking up the setting and giving a big middle finger to their fans.
Not too mention their fixation on 40k and Space Marines in particular, ignoring everything else.
>>45331965 >since only 8th and 7th editions grognards hate changes, almost all veterans prefer AoS to WHFB, 9th age and KoW
You what now? No one objected to the changes in 7th from 6th, the core rules were a lot better (though army book power creep became real during 7th). The changes from 7th to 8th were drastic though, and some thought for the better, some thought for the worse.
The changes from 8th to AoS though were even more drastic. AoS doesn't even resemble WHFB, so I don't know what "veterans" prefer it, the only people I know who prefer it didn't like WHFB in the first place.
>>45326647 there's almost no limit on anything now. Through Formations you have an option to make ridiculous force detachments like 10 heavy supports or what not. With allies you can combine (using a seperate force organisation chart) the cheese of one army with the cheese of another. Huge titans and baneblades are fairly common and are a perfectly legal for normal forces. It's just take whatever you have points for.
>>45335378 >>45335109 >>45335103 >>45335090 You better find this pic good or you are an autistic neckbeard grognard with no tastes and rose-tinted glasses. There is no way GW could have had a drop in quality.
>>45331965 >But you will love it, since only 8th and 7th editions grognards hate changes, almost all veterans prefer AoS to WHFB, 9th age and KoW. You, sir, are a sorry delusional fellow, and also full of shit.
I liked WHFB years ago. I abandoned GW entirely in late 7th edition, but still looked back at it with some bitter love. And I find nothing to like in AOS. Not in its childish design, not in its poor execution, not in its lackluster and stupid rules. It amazes me that people somewhat manage to like it, but that's fine, people on /tg/ have the weirdest fetishes and I am noone to blame. But one thing is liking it and one thing is defending it as a decent game, or its models as decent models (not to mention the 'premium top models' GW wants to sell them as).
>>45335592 Yeah, that's basically my viewpoint. I really didn't like the direction the game was taking under the 7'th edition and the miniatures where departing from the more grounded design they had through 5'th and 6'th edition. So it became clear to me that I was not their target audience anymore. With the 8'th edition I had a complete fallout with the game because I really didn't like what they did with the rules, the fluff was either just copypasta of stuff I already read or just bad and the miniature design had become even worse in my eyes.
However, I always kinda had a small hope that WHFB would head into a better direction. The End Times and AoS completely destroyed this hope and it mostly seems like an intentional mockery of WHFB. The AoS minis has some of the worst design I have seen GW come out with ever. All I can say about the rules is that I guess it is a game per definition.
>>45335103 after looking a bit into it I may be realizing the corpses are falling from a hole in the outer surface (the deathlands) and that everything below the green vortex is some kind of underground place, but I'm still not sure about it
>>45334792 yeah. that's why priestley, thorpe and alessio did at least. can't really say chambers did seeing as he went to blizzard of all places lol the perry brothers do still do the odd mini for GW (like some of the great Hobbit stuff), but they're doing their own thing for the most part.
>>45336020 not op - i haven't played since the launch of 5th ed 40k but i still look at warhammer stuff on 40k occasionally so that's 8 (9?) years or so. I dunno. I have this nostalgic attachment to it, but I don't really enjoy it anymore. I didn't like the direction the game was going in, I preferred it as a small skirmish game with a hq, a few of troop squads then a tank or creature or two.
>>45335763 >reading Moorcock right now, WHFB Chaos is joke How? Moorcock came up with the ideas that GW ripped off, but his depiction of Chaos wasn't exactly more complex than Warhammer's. There was the conflict with Law I guess, but early Warhammer had that too.
>>45336360 Same but I catch up really qickly, worst for me is I liked the fantasy 28mm, but with what happened now where do I go, I don't like the Kings of War rules, my favorite army was Lizardman they took the shortest end of the stick if that was even possible, and Privater Press is not what I was lokking, but it's where I'm going since fuck 40k unbalanced system.
Omg I feel sick I just started reading this thread and went to GW website to see stuff, and I'm felling bad, WAY bad I saw sad excuses for wulven, Dwarfs ridding dragons, daemons that looked like Japanese Onis badly done and and unproportional manticore, and I decided was enough. It's actually getting worse by the month
>>45325814 You (and a lot of people) were out for 8 years. Gw decided fantasy no longer had a fan base and replaced it (just as people started to care again due to end times, mind you) with Age of Sigmar: the "who's line is it anyway?" of wargames...
>>45337304 i'm feeling the same but then gw sometimes comes up with a handfull of amazing models like the sydonian dragoon and the techpriest with the swanky pope-hat. and i think they might be turning things around for the better, but then they release some more shit again and its somehow even more shit than the last shit they cranked out and i lose hope again. meanwhile the prices keep rising, entire games are abandoned and its painfully obvious the company is ruled by people who don't really understand their customers and fanbase. it's sad.
I want to download a rulebook for fantasy to pick it up with a friend,i was adviced to play 7 or 8th edition.now i see people complaining about this horde rule:what is it what edition would you rather advice?
>>45342613 It is 100% official. I went downtown to the FLGS had a look in the Fyreslayer book and there it was. It is so increadibly bad that I can't belive that GW would publish it. It's sad really, because to me GW's illustrations used to be a measurement of quality in the industry and was hard to beat.
>>45343547 It's sad cause it's true, well when I move to a civilized country where I can find shops with demo games I will give it a try not gonna invest in a game alone since my friends Gave up completely and I'm unemployed, if I get a job I may get the starter box even if just to paint them, but then again I also want maybe give Warmahordes a try, but mantic is far more accessible and it's quality getting better, (still those old elves are weird), and I want a fantasy wargame not a skirmish game.
>>45343724 Well, Kings om War is made with proxies in mind and they have pretty much made army lists for all the old WHFB armies after GW killed the game. If anything KoW is a lot faster to play than WHFB ever was. So it's a good game for people with limited free time.
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