>>45319399 Something something Byronic Hero. But yeah, romanticism would be a great way to explore that particular side of BR, instead of edge, spikes, and sadism. Would be perfect for the Innistrad setting as well, with regards to Tibalt
>>45319482 His backstory really fits in iirc. He was forced to study necromancy but it wasn't in his chords and started hating himself and society because of his failures. Put in an impossibile romantic interest and you're done.
>>45320029 Pirates would show up in a blue leaning water world, where they are most definitely the BR faction. They raid and pillage for wealth and pleasure. They are literally the Mardu/kolaghan except on boats instead of horses.
You start by going backwards, when Black wasn't just Spooky Evilness and Red wasn't just ALL ANGRY ALL THE TIME. So, take the good parts of the colors. Black's Will to Achieve and Red's Passion and Creativity. Go from there.
>>45318809 Well, maybe White\Blue is a totalitarian mass-mind-controlling regime and Red\Black just wants for everyone to stand free and equal by burning everyone and everything then reanimating the charred remains into a society of mindless undead.. Well, shit.
>>45320047 >You will never be a Rakdos stand up >You will never fall in love with the slightly crazy Rakdos girl who owns your favorite club >You will never have three beautiful children who grow up to be talented musicians >You will never help keep terrible Rakdos entertained and asleep for as long as his inevitable doom can be prevented >You will never get any respect, no respect at all
>>45318809 To answer your question. Look at any video of ToRtanic featuring a lightsided Sith protag. Then proceed to make a whole faction full of people that try to live up to those ideas. "Happiness is an emotion, so is passion. I can use those to fuel my ambition instead of rage and hate."
>>45320431 I imagine Rakdos members are well respected a lot of the time. Remember the murderhobo chucklefucks are a specific part of Rakdos. They're the innermost circle that reports directly to the demon itself. In practice, Rakdos owns ALL the nightclubs, including the ones off-duty Boros go to let off steam. Rakdos is also the playwrights. Shakespeare would've been Rakdos, as would Mozart and Beethoven, and Rafael and all the other big renaissance names.
>>45320483 >Using that term without knowing what it means The Sith care about using your emotions and dominating others through the force. Nowhere has it ever said that you need to be a murderhoboing dick with anger issues to do so. The real Mary Sue's are 'grey' jedi like Kyle Katarn. "Let me use powers based on being calm and serene and powers based on passion fueled emotiongasms at the same time because I'm just THAT force aware!"
>>45320489 And THAT'S how we get retarded shit like Reef Worm, the greenest creature ever in existence.
Just make the lands Ocean Themed, you chucklefuck. If you can do it with any other fucking theme, you can do it with water too. For fuck's sake, there are walking and flying creatures in any colour, why should swimming be a Blue exclusive?
>>45320977 Mountains are made of violent tectonic shifts and collisions of the planets. Or volcanic eruptions and are the rage of the planet made real. Water is one of the most important scientific and industrial compounds humanity has ever touched.
>>45320977 Pretty sure the idea behind it was that volcanoes are associated with anger and emotion and water is associated with memory in a lot of cultures. Don't ask me which ones, just repeating what I think Garfield said.
>>45318809 I think the problem is Ravnica and how much it influences dual-color relationships
The plane was built from the ground up for its guilds to represent the ideological extremes of their color pairs, RTR Hallowed Fountain, Syndic of Tithes, Rakdos Shread-Freak's flavor texts exemplify this: the guilds are all assholes in their own way regardless of color
but now everything must be to an extreme all the time, so black red is MURDER KILL RAPE BURN all the time
>>45321067 So what? Many mountains are old geological formations and are very stable. Conversely many parts of the sea are subject to tectonic shifts that can cause tsunamis, nevermind typhoons and shit.
This association with types of land and colors of magic is completely arbitrary in the end.
>>45321198 They are what they are because they are. The honest answer is "If you don't like it, shut up." But if you need justification Mountains are reds domain because dragons are always on top of mountains. Volcanoes are always mountains in media, and mountains are made by earthquakes and have avalanches and rockslides and SCIENCE doesn't happen in the secret mountain-top lab.
Why are islands blue? Because the wizards tower most often looks like a fucking lighthouse. Old astronomy was for navigating the sea and tended to be associated with lighthouses. Hence, blue secluded islands are perfect for astronomy and lighthouses!
>>45321354 Reread the sentence. I like it, so I can justify it all I want. You don't but none of your bitching will change it, so shut up and find something you do like, or play the game and get over yourself. Your choice.
>>45321674 MaRo is a ginormous faggot and everyone knows it. But he knows how to drive product, and that makes Hasbro happy, which keeps him in the job. Knowledge of driving product and actual creative vision and skill are two different things, tho. Magic needs a re-definition of the Colour Pie and he's the big reason it won't happen. He's to blame for Red being the shitty, uninteresting colour it is, even though there is so much potential for it, even apart from land-destruction and fastmana. Just give Red volatile counters, for fuck's sake.
>>45321881 >Counter target spell. You and your opponent may each search their libraries for a spell with the same converted mana cost as the countered spell and cast it without paying the mana cost. Then shuffle your libraries.
>>45322004 >Counter target Spell, it's controler gains the Mana back Also sounds like fun Or, >Counter target spell, it's Controller gains R equal to the Converted Manacost For the dickish-funny part of Red.
>The fuck am I supposed to do with RRRR? Can't cast Elves with that shit!
>>45322532 First when I wrote the post I wrote "RETURN TO LORWYN FUCKING CONFIRMED" but then I remember the "we don't care about the source material only about the pop culture understanding of the source material" so it might be a return to Lorwyn but it could also be a Disney plane
>>45322841 Yes, we have healers, old ladies, philosophers, politicians and house cats in white. We have scholars, archivists, librarians, scientists and pet birds in blue. We have artists, aristocrats, clergymen and executives in black. And we have farmers, musicians, poets, healers and majors in green.
It's way past time you realize rules about color pie and flavor representation only apply to red.
>>45318809 I was just thinking a mother seeking vengeance for her infant's death woumd make a great red/black Walker, but that doesn't scale up super well. Maybe the remnants of a once noble but now shattered empire, angry at the world for sniffing out its brightest beacon and willing to do anything to call the heinous act to attention.
>>45323815 A few way further back like Chandler, but there is totally a dearth of complex red characters. Which is a pity, because the three cards mentioned are fairly fleshed out for magic characters. I mean Diaochan is a historical figure but P&K and Feldon both have their meaning and lore within the magic story.
>>45323876 There is also Daretti, the crippled artificer. Bosh, the confused and lonesome golem. Ben-Ben, a goblin hermit. Some other goblins also fit but on the other hand they're goblins. Eron the Relentless is a rogue like Chandler, but he has some more explicit aggressiveness. Homura is a monk, but there is some weird fluff stuff going on. Jaya Ballard isn't necessarily violent. Taskmages seem to be used for many duties.
However, that's just a handful, and the majority of these characters come from years if not decades ago.
A good and sympathetic red and black faction would be a barbarian clan with a culture that values combat like the dothraki In game of thrones and doesn't fear death but embraces the circle of life
They would be in opposition to bant colored Malthusian cultists who believe that sentient life is basically a parasite growing on the Earth and they take it upon themselves to cleanse it, not because they think sentient life is evil, they just believe "scientifically" that it is better for the earth to have only plants and dumb animals that don't shake up their ecology like sentient life does
Rogues are more black than they are blue since in Magic then usually manifest as thieves and assassins rather than just clever tricksters. That's a doubly stupid response because the type of rogue a pirate is would be the greedy, ruthless variety rather than the well educated, patient kind.
>>45322532 Lorwyn is general celtic folklore. Fairy Tale Plane would probably have specific nods to Fairy Tale Tropes—big bad wolves, wicked witches, giants that live in the sky, lots of children getting kidnapped.
>>45326143 Yeah, they had 4/5 allied colour pairs, no way you can call Elementals R/G though the weird elementals were in all 5 colours equally and the Flamekin were mono red, but they also had 2 enemy colour pairs and a 3-colour wedge faction getting just as much support in the same sets. Point being, >>45324528 is full of shit
(Granted, they're a pretty old creature type, but new MtG hasn't backed down on the general tradition of ocean stuff being blue, so I don't imagine that would change if they ever decided to bring back pirates.
>>45329345 Maybe specifically on a water world setting, where literally everything has the aquatic connection. By much the same token that shit like krakens and leviathans in such a setting might be green rather than the typical blue, standing in for the typical terrestrial beasties green normally gets.
But the dispute originated from the suggestion of pirates in general. Pirates in literally any context other than a water world would be blue.
>>45329495 Maybe they'd be part blue to justify the water bit, but pirate's are one of the least blue things ever written. "They're on a boat so they must be blue" is some of the worst writing that Wizards has put out, and like >>45320570 said, just justifies blue doing non-blue things. Man, a bunch of small dudes swarming in, raping and looting everything within a 5 mile radius, burning everything without a care for science, study, or introspection sure are blue because they gots a boat, huh?
>>45329799 true, but they're usually mechanically blue. Blue is allowed slow big stompy things with weird effects late game. They're the things that the early game was stalling into after all. Pirates wouldn't even play blue. They'd use red's entire suite of low cost attackers, swarming the field, possibly with haste, and lots of burn.
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