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Affinity + Ensnaring Bridge + Tezzeret, AoB
Eat shit Eldrazi.
>ban the current good decks
>push the newest pack to make a 1 deck meta
>but don't even make cheap reprints at a reasonable rate so everything stays inflated as fuck
Where were you when Wizards became even worse than Konami
So guys what was your favorite part of this pro tour? My favorite was turning Reality Smasher from Oath of the Gatewatch™ sideways!
Control player friend of mine keeps telling me that all I have to do as Burn against Eldrazi is to outburn them by turn 5-6, and use some spells on removing their creatures if I have to.
How do I convince him that Eldrazi outright shut down a Burn deck?
I just had a sample hand post-mulligan
1x Stomping Ground
Normally a hand that is worth risking on the draw, however a T1 Chalice would be an auto-concede for me.
Even on the play, if I draw into a second land then this hand is excellent, but a Chalice will also likely be an auto-concede
Eye of Ugin
It knocks off two mana from corlorless spell costs, making it possible to cast Endless one, Eldrazi mimic, and Chalice for free on Turn 1.
And when you think about just how much mana it knocks off of every Eldrazi card, the value that you gain is insanely broken.
They can literally have a turn 3 5/5 haste trampler.
Even if you chump and burn to finish it off you still got 3 for 1'd. And that's not even getting into the mimics, knots, skyspawners, drowners.
You could either try to race them on life and fail, or try to burn their creatures and hope they run out of gas. Even if they do, they only have to draw literally anything and have an eye out to get their gas back.
I wish I could organize another shoah to get rid of Reddit "intellectuals" who think Big Game Hunter is +3 Card Advantage against Reality Smasher because they're fucking insipid and incapable of understanding what Card Advantage is a measure of (hint, it's in the fucking name you mongoloid inbred idiot pseudo-intellectual moron, it's the ADVANTAGE in terms of CARDS that it gives over your opponent. Board-wiping Drowner of Hope is a 1-for-1, the fact that single-target removal would be 3-for-1 does not suddenly turn Day of Judgment into +3 CA)
I don't use that stale meme, fucknugget. I'm just explaining why you're an idiot for not understanding what it means and represents.
I'd be making just as much fun of you for thinking "le happy merchant" is because of recent Israel-Palestine conflicts
don't make it sound so lewd fampai
At least it wasn't some furfag "taking the knot" bullshit
In other news, are people really trying to make prison a viable strategy? Because holy shit worship was a near bulk rare hovering at $2-3 the other day.
This is the card that will save modern. They just need to reprint a blue version.
Counter artifact or enchantment
Counter artifact or return artifact to hand
It seems colorless hate is rampant, but they worded it around artifacts (aka the only colorless to exist at the time). Eldrazi weren't a thing, but now that they are, I suggest...
Counter target colorless spell
spell snare is already nice but it doesn't hate colorless, it hates 2cmc (and does a damn fine job of it)
I'm recommending a different animal.
Either that, or reprint Force Spike to punish these greedy simian spirit guide tactics
See, this is another issue... You can sideboard in artifact hate vs affinity, chalice, bridge, basically you can sb hate for all these really powerful colorless cards... as long as they're artifacts.
I would gladly accept a Smash to Smithereens that targets colorless, non-land permanents. It doesn't even have to ping or target Inkmoth, just a simple hate card to deal with this new archtype
I suggested that same idea in the modern thread a week or so before OGW spoilers were revealed and people were whining that it would nerf Tron too much. I was surprised they didn't print it but hope that they do in SoI. The new block generally has a couple of cards to hate out popular strategies in the old block (RIP to take out flashback, Loxodon Smiter for Liliana, Voice of Resurgence for Snapcaster etc)
I didn't think about Karn. To be fair, fuck that golem, but since spellpierce already hurts him it could be worded as "colorless creature or (colorless?) artifact", or maybe as a soft counter, or "colorless spell with cmc 6 or less"
Idk, maybe a green Sea's Claim that only targets nonbasics, or some red colorless kill spell, a cheap white wrath for colorless creatures, fucking anything.
Yes and not even for power level reasons. Broken on the play, garbage on the draw. Should be banned for turning the game into a dice roll as whoever goes first game 1 wins the match.
Is there a place that has all the Eldrazi artwork, without the card around it, somewhere?
I dont play Magic, have not since the first Mirrodin set, but the Eldrazi art really intrigues me.
For being PG-13 it sure has some nightmareish shit
>there are people playing rw prison to beat eldrazi
>it still loses to every single other deck
One of the few times I ventured into the general forum on MTGS I saw a thread about magic art people thought was too gross or scary.
Watching a bunch of grown men whine about disturbing art on the internet was a good laugh.
I love how metal the art can get without bordering on bad taste and I hate that it's getting cleaner and more sterile lately
Most of the posts on there were like
"I'm a surgeon and I'm no stranger to gore, but I think card X is just too far."
Or even better
"I'd like to have an enjoyable game of magic with my kids, but I just can't when I have to look at card Y's art."
>there are people who complain about Phyrexians being too scary
For fuck's sake, Phyrexia was basically UberHell, a place so evil that even evil people, zombies, and demons took a look at it and said "nope"
Maybe Gigeresque body horror?
>if Yawgmoth were alive he would have gotten a Planeswalker card that costs BBBBBBB or some shit with an ult that wins the game
Does anyone have that monoblack lifeloss list form a week or two back? It used spells like bump in the night and syphon life to drain your opponants wityh the wincon being the black command I think.
I found a slightly bigger image for you.
Bottom line is Phyrexia ain't gotta explain shit
>mfw watching this meta while sitting on full sets of Chalice and Urza's Saga Worship
>Maybe Gigeresque body horror?
I would definitely say that thematically the phyrexians are very Gigeresque, with the focus being on the perversion of the human form by technology, but stylistically none of magic's artists actually draw like Giger.
I guess the best way to describe classic Phyrexia is like a clunky version of Gigeresque aesthetic.
Whereas Giger is all about smoothness and sex, Phyrexia is about greebles and violence.
I feel like lore really did take a downturn following Lorwyn-Shadowmoor.
>I feel like lore really did take a downturn following Lorwyn-Shadowmoor.
Funny you should say that because that's when they started shoehorning a new card type in every single piece of lore.
Not that guy, but there are plenty of possible builds that abuse Worship. My go-to in the past has been URW, but I'm considering building Bant around
4 Sylvan Caryatid
3 Geist of Saint Traft
1 Eternal Witness
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Path to Exile
4 Commune with the Gods
3 Spirit Mantle
Caryatid is the only acceleration available that has protection from spot removal and enables a Turn 3 Worship soft lock. The only question is how hard I want to go into Blouses versus Prison.
Hah, that's right isn't it?
The Lorwyn five - Jace, Chandra, Garruk, Lili, Ajani.
Of course Lorwyn-Shadowmoor wasn't about the superfriends beating Oona.
Well, the next release after the Shadowmoor Cycle was Jace: the book, then Alara: the book, then Chandra: the book etc.
It looks like the two Theros books didn't even get physical releases.
I haven't done the math but it's probably fairly low, I'd wager in the ~3-5% area. Turn three kills however spike up quite a lot, especially if the opponent has nothing on their turn two, or something you can gutshot/dismember away. The chance of a T3 kill is likely somewhere around 20% or more.
Perhaps, but you do get one or two draw steps as well. And if the opponent is fetch or shocking themselves it goes a long way towards helping you get lethal out by turn 3 at the very least.
Do you like playing a variety of decks and having multiple viable strategies? Then yes, diversity is good.
Do you like pushing new product, jacking up singles prices, and being able to math out all your matchups before the game even starts? Then no, diversity is not good.
tl;dr diversity is good for people who enjoy the game and bad for people who enjoy making money off the game.
I used to have 3 in my burn's sideboard since I saw a few people playing affinity in my old LGS. Literally only useful in the second game if I had it in my opening hand but it still felt great to drop it for 0 with a shit-eating grin.
Some people would rather have mirrors than bullcrap or diceroll mathups. Eldrazi may not be that, but assuming there could be a tier 0 deck that rewarded only the most skilled player and was hard to use, some people may prefer that to diversity.
Then it becomes even more of a diceroll, because draw order is inherently random. You can smooth it out, but there's still more luck in it. Matchups between two very different decks are usually more skill-testing because the best line of play isn't always evident.
Unless both decks just aren't interactive at all, but even Bolt requires you to make a decision. And with more decks in the format that decision becomes less clear.
Assuming the decks are not aggro and do go for the long game the draw order would eventually matter less. The dream would be something like highly interactive grind wars. Though it'd be hell for tournaments.
Imo diverse is what you get when you play casualy, when you play for fun you can have whatever you want it doesn't matter. But when you make it competitive with money on the line people are going to play what wins or at least has the highest chance to win that they can afford. And after a while everyone knows what the best decks are and so if you want to win you play those. Before the twin and bloom bans if you look at the top 8 lists there are i think 7 or 8 decks maybe more that were getting into the top 8. With the pt top 8 there were two. So with the next event people are either going to be playing eldrazi, or trying to beat eldrazi. And that is pretty shitty and going against what they say they want with diversity. It could be that no one thought eldrazi was going to be a real contender so there wasnt enough hate to keep it down. Even on here everyone thought it was going to be tron vs affinity vs infect vs burn so if the people at the pt thought similarly then why botherwasting deck space on a meme deck. In any case we will see with the next pt. probably on the smaller tourneys as well we will see what the other decks do to compete with eldrazi. It could get hit with a ban too so there is that.
The player was Mikhail Stroev (RUS). He went 3-2 in the Modern portion. This is the list he ran in November for the PTQ in Moscow:
Don't know what he was running on the day, but it was probably similar.
Gigadrowse is actually your best card against Eldrazi because it taps down lands at instant speed, and is one of your only relevant T1 plays. I've been working on a similar strategy that uses
2 Narset Transcendent
What MTGS has usually called "psuedo-Walks" are good with Narset because you can rebound lets you replicate Gigadrowse. Being able to do what it does faster could make Turns quite viable.
So yeah, I'm going over decks in past Standard cycles that ran Worship and crying that Crystalline Sliver isn't in Modern. Deck was very briefly the tits.
How bad would running Diffusion Sliver alongside Spell Pierce and Mana Leak feel?
Let's say there was literally only one viable deck
Every card in that deck would be triple digits
In theory a diverse format with many competitive decks means prices shouldn't go too nuts.
I say in theory because the prices are nuts but they'd be worse the fewer competitive decks there are
It doesn't share tribal synergy, doesn't protect other creatures, and isn't that resilient or consistent of a deck. It's just that tribal synergy and soft protection haven't counted for as much in Modern as they did during slivers' brief Standard heyday, so the power just isn't there.
This is a cool fucking list. I'd never think to put ensnaring bridge in affinity, but it actually has synergy in the list. You can dump your hand quickly to turn bridge on, you can sneak through small flyers, you can move ravager counters or attach plating after swinging, and you can sac the bridge to ravager to alpha strike. Very cool. This looks like it might be a good list for disciple of the vault.
Counterslivers is interactive. Bogles isn't. Neither deck is very good in the format, but Bogles is probably better because it tells other decks to fuck off.
>the Eye and the Temple have the same high powerlevel
>In the above post, things that do literally nothing
Eye is 2 mana * number of eldrazi spells you cast this turn (+1 with an urborg)
Temple is just 2 mana.
If you have 4 2CMC eldrazi, Eye gives you 8 mana.
Temple gives you 2 mana.
So I know this will never be a top 8 or anything, but I've been toying around with a Boros Soldier tribal and I've wanted some opinions on how to improve it
4champions of the parish
4mentor of the meek
4paths to exile
any help is appreciated!
If you're going to do Boros Soldiers at least go full ham and include Aurelia for flavor.
The deck will suck anyway.
Dredge punishes people for not preparing for it. If they've got hate available its an uphill battle, if not its one of the strongest decks in the format
You'll take a lot of G1s easily but then they board in Rest in Piece etc and you have to really work to not just lose the nest two
>crack expedition wasteland
>LGS owner practically begs me to sell it to him for $150
>TCG low is 200
It's for his legacy deck, not his display case. I'm not super upset about it.
The only mono-white deck that's gonna get shit done for you is hatebears. If you want to do Boros (which I commend you for) just drop the soldier shtick and use the actual good cards. There are some absolutely modern-playable Boros watermark cards in Boros Charm and Boros Reckoner, off the top of my head. Any deck that can comfortably run 4 bolts, 4 paths, and lightning helix should do okay.
I had to go out, but now that I'm back I just did this. This is with 4 Eyes of Ugin and 4 Mimics, as Jiachen Tao's deck used.
Feel free to check my math.
tl,dr; 2.73% chance of getting (at least) 2 mimics and (at least) 1 Eye of Ugin in your starting hand if on the play, and 4.49% if on the draw.
>really want to play legacy
>build super budet monored burn
>had goblin guides before they got retarded expensive so that was covered
>no fetches at all
>substitute chain lightning with incinerate
>running jank shit like reverberate because I thought reverberating a fireblast would be funny as shit
>ready to play legacy!
>but then remember
>live in rural nowhere surrounded by cows and rednecks
>closest town isn't even a stain on the map, est. population is like 4000-6000
>nearest sanctioned FNM isn't even in the same state
you think I would have learned but then I bought into modern so I can play maybe one friday a month when I both have the time and am not too tired for the drive there and back.
Get an RA cert. and host unsanctioned Legacy at your local library
Recruit all the kids. Pull out your big marketing meme dick and sell it as "speed chess but actually fun for kids" to the library staff, get a biweekly slot, then sell the idea as an after-school mindsport.
Emphasize math and probability.
Do your homework, get the kids onboard.
Sleeve up 20 or so different Pauper decks (proxy if you're 2poor) and hand them out at events
Foot the bill to print out MtG strategic and tactical articles, make sure a few of the kids get hooked on the tourneyfag aspect. Get them to recruit even more.
Try to broker some support from Wizards of the Synagogue, anonymously at first. A little prize support goes a long way, but unsanctioned might be a dealbreaker for the Rabbis. Spin it as educational small-town CSR, something to pretty up PR
Take the smart kids and pull 'em out. Introduce them to the level beyond pauper, a world of uncommons and rares. A world of legacy
You'll have your own legacy circuit up and running
in like 10 years or however long it takes for kids to get jobs
I assume you live in a state where the most popular pastime is doing meth, so your best course of action is to open your own LGS and market magic cards as 'more fun than meth and you keep your teeth!'
>want to get into modern by slowly investing in
>watch the recent protour
>all eldrazi with maybe some affinity
>all the shitposting that ensued after because eldrazi
>the spike in price of eye
>suddenly worried that getting into modern might be a bad idea
Tron player here. It's a bit late to board the train. There is a high possibility of an Eye ban and even if that doesn't happen, the meta is incredibly hostile to tron right now.
at least it is at my store. I'll have to bring a different deck if this keeps up.Deepest sympathies mane.
honestly every aspect of magic sucks. the only way to really enjoy the game in a financially responsible way and how I'm going to introduce people to magic 100% from now on is drafting. which is exactly what wizards wanted. so they have succeeded in reaching their end game of making competitive magic literally too shit to play.
Reminder that this exists
The fun isn't overwith anons. First the eldrazi come for modern, but they also want to shit up legacy as well!
lmao. They dump one of up to 4 mimics for 0 mana and you think you're doing well with a 1 for 1 trade that will only work on that specific card? They can also mulligan hyper-aggressively. I don't think you understand the problem let alone its solution.
The gameplan is to stall until i can fly in with a plating or just ulti Tezzeret, AoB (Damage/Lifelink twice the amount of artifacts you control)
Until then the Bridge needs to hold, the Jar helps with that. I dont know if Ravager is required. 3x Welding Jar, 3x Ravager?
Maybe we have to eat the Bridge and then just run in.
It hits endless one as well. It's a one mana counterspell against 8 of the creatures in the deck. It's not perfect but it does work against phyrexian spells, pacts, FoW, affinity and now this deck.
Yeah, you gonna have to have some way to hack against speed, and there isn't any cards printed that cause you to lose games you won/ You can't violate casualty that much in meat space without hacking a machines ability to notice time.
>nuking your entire opening hand to nuke your opponent's entire opening hand
Pretty cheeky. Just add 4 maindeck ghost quarters so they can't recover with eye of ugin, and Leyline to stop Thought-Nazi
suspend, cascade, pacts, minor affinity pieces, idk run 1 in the sb and whip it out vs ezdrazi, but it seems so niche compared to something like dispel or hell even spellsnare.
Spellsnare assumes they are playing on curve, Nix assumes they are somehow free-casting a creature/spell (not goryo tho).
It's a perfect sideboard counterspell but the question will always be "is it worth the slot?"
I wouldn't rely on this thing in my deck vs eldrazi, dedicating 1/60 for a chance to counter mimic. Might as well bring Bolt for that.
If you're playing wraths you might as well go full W/R or Jeskai control and put in some crumble to dusts. Much better than ghost quarters, since ghost quarter probably won't stop their t1-t2 play anyways.
Funny you should mention that.
At least Konami has the decency to reprint $100 cards in supplemental products.
We have entered a future where a TCg company has become even more jewish than Konami. What a time to be alive.
What the hell does that have to do with managing extreme prices of cards out of print by reprinting them in supplemental products?
An in print product being like that will go down fast because its unsustainable anyway.
If, and it's a damn big if, they make things like MM and other non-standard legal packs like conspiracy it will allow for more reprints than what they do in event decks and clash packs. Both are just standard cards anyways, although the last event deck had some nice value.
I fucking hate infect holy fucking shit my entire god damn meta is infect and one affinity and one tron player, go online its all fucking infect or memeldrazi, fuck this shit show. Finally a reason to actually quit this shitty format. Its worse than fucking standard. 'non rotating' my asshole, and I didnt even play twin.
what the fuck? i thought the event decks and the clash packs were popular? every new player I've met in the past few months was told to pick up the origins clash pack because it had value and was easy to turn into a moderately playable standard deck
I'm still disappointed they discontinued the premium deck series. There was a supplementary product that would've made it so easy to reprint high dollar staples while also teaching new players about deck archetypes that aren't RHINO SMASH
>i thought the event decks and the clash packs were popular
Sort of, they had massive variance. The latest ones were great value and kept standard prices down, however there was a string of them that were dogshit and sat on shelves too.
But it is real damn baffling, do they even have starter decks still?
Will banning the Eye be good enough?
The deck is still not too expensive to build (~$600), and I think that it may be feasible to run without the Eye, but is the Eye the only thing that is likely to get banned?
That Event Deck was such a good deal even at $50
Closest Wizards came to giving you a competitive deck. If only they didn't include Elspeth and a sword and instead gave you a set of Godless Shrines
Yea, testing with the UR version and its pretty stable without an Eye of Ugin start. Would probably need some tweaking after the ban but otherwise its pretty much an aggro deck with some pretty good topdecks. Colorless version might be stronger overall though.
Alright so what happens is Vines of Vastwood has the printing "Target creature can't be the target of effects and abilities your opponents control this turn" or in short terms it gains Hexproof. So basically even if he was to redirect stuff to Spellskite, none of the spells can legally target Spellskite so they will not get redirected.
That's how I understood it. What I meant was, in the game, Oliver plays Vines to give Ivan's Spellskite hexproof. He then presumably waits for it to resolve (or maybe he doesn't and that's why he fucks it up?), plays a kicked Vines on his Blighted Agent, but then from the commentary Ivan somehow redirects it anyway and Oliver scoops, losing the match to Ivan.
Watch 44:10 to 45:15 in the video to see what I mean.
vines of vastwood doesn't grant hexproof. it's distinctly different in how it's worded (vines of vastwood was before hexproof was a keyword)
the spell makes it so the targeted creature can't be the target of spells or abilitys of the opponents of vines of vastwood's controller.
vines of vastwood was tech you could use against twin. you cast vines on their exarch in response to splinter twin and splinter twin was countered for having an illegal target.
Oooooh I see what he did. The sneaky fucker. Shit I actually fell for it. He tried to bamboozle his opponent.
Alright so while Spellskite now has the vines printing of "Can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control" the second Vines was still controlled by Oliver so he can still legally redirect and target Spellskite. It's almost functional like Hexproof but it's not exactly Hexproof.
it's one of those things where a card has a little bit of complexity and can sometimes be used in unintuitive ways. and wizards hates commons that can be used more than one way and confuse new players. so we don't get anything neat like that anymore.
Not quite hexproof, it makes the creature unable to be targeted by spells or abilities that vines of vastwood's controller's opponents control. (Which made it pretty useful against twin)
How does this list look?
2 Treetop Village
4 Aspect of Hydra
4 Vines of Vastwood
4 Collected Company
4 Birds of Paradise
2 Sylvan Caryatid
4 Kalonian Tusker
4 Strangleroot Geist
4 Leatherback Baloth
4 Kitchen Finks
depending on ur meta i'd swap finks for boggart ram-gang, maybe toss in a witness for sweet company recycling
also llanowar elves seems better than caryatid because it can attack
list seems cool though, i'd like to play something like it
My meta has a lot of burn so the finks are pretty important. Witness sounds good. I like Caryatids hexproof and it helps to block goblin guides as long as they don't have an Atarkas Command.
It reminds me of something I saw a long time ago. A guy called a judge over and talked to him in private. When he returned to the table, he pithing needled a BoP. His opponent didn't tap it for the rest of the match.
is it possible to make brain maggot not shitty? what looked like an el cheapo thoughtseize solution seems to only have the benefit of revealing my opponent's hand. maybe just go with despise and sideboard pic related
What a scummy LGS owner. Also your own fault, Anon. Luckily mine is a decent guy and a friend - gave me retail value for my BG expeditions. He keeps a full set in a binder as a retirement plan.
>Owner is begging you
>Youre surprised that you didnt give it to him at full price
>Thinking anybody is going to give you full price for it
You are not a trusted seller, you are not going to get full value out of it from anywhere.
150 is fine considering if you sold it on ebay for 200 you would get 18-20 in fees then a few more bucks in fees for paypal and shipping. you might get around 170 for it after all that but you have to go through more effort and the buyer might try to jew you.
most people dont understand that the price the store sells cards for isn't the same price they'll buy them off people for
even though you think this would be obvious, people constantly claim that they're getting "ripped off" because the store isn't buying and selling at the same price
my guess is it's because they're casual players who aren't used to selling cards
Modern cards are pretty garbage power-wise, even Standard has been stronger many times in the past
If you're asking for key pieces to buy because they're cheaper now that they're useless,
Tarmogoyf is literally the only legacy staple
If you're asking because you already have some key pieces, mention them
it's a fucking Birds of Paradise, how bad can your matchup be against that kind of deck that you board in Needle for a fucking BoP it doesn't even hit
Unless it's a maindeck Needle in which case how the fuck is your matchup so bad you need maindeck Needle against Birds
Playing to your outs even if that out is predicated on misplaying from your opponent is normal. Throwing a hail mary at turn 1 on the other hand seems like living on the edge