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When did you realize that you were so deeply entrenched in 40k that you didn't even care how lazy and stupid just naming them "Space Marines" was?
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>>45299433
Im under the impression that 40k is meant to be a bit silly and dark.
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They're supposed to be colonial marines from aliens combined with medieval knights in space I think space marines was the best name anyone could of come up with
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>>45299433
I am ok with this.
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>>45299433
Space Knights would've been so much better.

IG should be called "Space Marine Corps"
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>>45299433
The thing about the words 'space marine' is that within the lore this could easily be explained as an ancient word from the beginning of the human imperium.
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>>45299433
Marines are traditionally used for projecting force, or in normal people speak, going places and fucking things up, as opposed to the army that is geared more towards holding and defending territory.

Normal marines make landing from amphibious vessels, ships, planes etc so space marines is a pretty self-explanatory term.

If you want to go down your route, you have to sperg out over literally everything.
Plasma Cannon?
Plasma CANNON?
Yes, cannon are by definition guns that fire projectiles using explosives, but if you have a bigass weapon that uses plasma to wreck shit, calling it a Plasma Cannon lets everyone know that this is not a fucking plasma pistol, plasma rifle, plasma slingshot, plasma pea-shooter, it's a motherfucking cannon and it's going to blow up bigger shit than the previous denominations of plasma weaponry.
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>>45299433
My toy soldiers have chainsaw swords. They're called chainswords.

And that's okay.
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Their formal name is "Adeptus Astartes," isn't it? "Space Marines" is just a colloquialism.

>>45302642
I could go with this though.
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>>45299433
They should be Stellar Infantry, or just Stellars.
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>>45299465
That impression would be correct.... if not for the 3/4ths of fans NOT getting that impression, and giving more money to the bits of 40k that take itself too seriously over the past 2 decades.
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I'm completely fine with the idea that 40k is completely pants-on-head retarded.

I don't expect anyone to know what it means when I draw Khornate symbols on the coffee cups at work.
I expect faces and palms to collide when I tell of the all-psyker party.
When I say that "It's red, so it's faster. Because it's red" I'm fully prepared for bewildered looks.
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>>45304983
That's even lazier somehow
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>>45305097
Red goes faster is an objective physical law though
Are those people just dumb?
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>>45305126
I guess.
Then again, it can also be attributed to car culture. I mean, go google "Red ones go faster" and, while of course, you'll get orks, and tropes, you'll also get "Do red cars really go faster" related search.
Of course, this is again given evidence when "personal stories" cite insurance companies as charging higher premiums for red cars, as well as more speeding tickets, which can be attributed to red being a more eye-catching colour.
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>>45299433
Marines during the Age of Sail were soldiers stationed on ships. They were used primarilly for boarding actions, and were also the first men onto the beach during landings. This role means the name "Space Marines" is a perfect descriptor of their usage in combat, and was in use in Sci-Fi for a long time before GW used it in 40k.

>>45304983
Stellar Infantry implies a different job. Would work for the Guard, but not Astartes.
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>>45305097
>all-psyker party
what
that sounds horrifying
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>>45305749
Everyone says that. It was quite the opposite. We were all friends, and we covered for each other.

Well, until the Diviner started messing about with Sorcery
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The Imperium is often rather simple when it names things. Lasguns are laser guns, meltas melt tanks, etc.

>>45305308
If idiots are more likely to buy a red car than the red cars will have more accidents than other cars of the same make and model. If the insurance companies see a correlation between red paint and increased accident numbers, they will increase premiums. They don't care about why red cars get into more accidents, only that the correlation exists.

That is, if insurance companies really do charge more for red cars.
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>>45305796
>Everyone says that. It was quite the opposite.
doubt.jpg
>Well, until the Diviner started messing about with Sorcery
fucking psykers
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>>45305849
>The Imperium is often rather simple when it names things. Lasguns are laser guns, meltas melt tanks, etc.

Hellguns are
High
Energy
Laser
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>>45299433
It's a satirical take on army propaganda during wartime. They're called "Space Marines" to make the connection even more obvious.
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>>45304654
THIS.
Adeptus Astartes sounds better than anything anyone here can come up with tbqh.
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>>45299433
DID YOU MEAN THE EMPEROR'S ADEPTUS, ASTARTES, HIS MIGHTY ANGELS OF DEATH INCARNATE??
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>>45302395
Wrong actually.
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When playing roleplaying games set in 40k I never refer to them as Space Marines. They're Adeptus Astartes. I'll accept my players talking about them OOC by "Space marines", but not IC.
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>>45304654
>>45306187
>>45308016
>Adeptus Astartes

I'm going to have to go ahead and say that that is actually worse than Space Marines. It's about as pretentious as you can get without adding a third word.
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>>45302395
>board dedicated to a topic very closely related to the SF/F fandom
>users literally know nothing about the SF/F genre
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>>45308092
>Departmento Munitorum
>Templars Psykologis
>Officio Sabatorum
>Adeptus Astra Telepathica
>Collegia Titanica
>Logis Strategos
>Legio Cybernetica
>etcetc

Do you even 40k?
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>>45308092
>pretentious
literally just spewing words
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>>45308235
Not him, but fuck I hate 40k for that annoying bullshit.
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>>45308237
pre·ten·tious
/prəˈten(t)SHəs/
adjective
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed
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>>45305849
Lasgun is straight outta Dune. So are Space Marines, sorta.
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>>45308381
that doesn't describe adeptus astartes in any way
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Honestly before anyone is allowed to read a 40k codex or buy the miniatures they should be sat down and forced to read a mixture of classic sci-fi like Dune, Foundation, etc. and 70s/80s comics like Judge Dredd and Nemesis the Warlock.
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>>45302395
>They're supposed to be colonial marines from aliens

No, thats the Imperial Guard. Marines are Starship Trooper seen through 2000AD lens and a good dose of heavy metal.
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>>45308558
Honestly, discovering 40k has prompted me to really read/watch the important sci-fi stuff. I've slowly been reading through Heinlein, Asimov and Judge Dredd so as to educate my self.
I'm actually reading Dune ATM.
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>>45308618
Oops, wrong pic.
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>>45308708
>oldschool Guardsmen
Hell yes, I love those 10 times more than Cadians.
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>>45308410
Eh, you can't say they lifted lasers from dune if they don't go nuclear when they hit a shield. Lasers are a sci-fi staple
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>>45308558
I think that after people play D&D for a little bit to get their toes wet, they should definitely read

The Dying Earth
The Elric Sage
Conan the Barbarian

To a lesser extent, they should also be familiar with Lord of the Rings, Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser, and to also brush up their Homer, Dante, and really to read just about anything else they can.

It's a wonderful thing how going through the inspirations of a game can actually enhance playing it considerably.
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>>45309263
Don't forget Three Hearts and Three Lions/The Broken Sword
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>>45309063
No, the name "Lasgun" is literally from Dune.
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>>45309324
I can't recommend those just yet, because I still need to read them. But, I keep hearing about them, so I might as well bump them up in my reading queue.

Speaking of Three Lions, the Lyonesse Trilogy also deserves some mention.
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>>45308522
Not him, but that does describe the name "Adeptus Astartes". Not the subject, the name.

Reading comprehension, fucknuts.
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>>45309414
Explain your reasoning fuck nut
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>>45308618
There's nothing heavy metal about 40k now, its shit rock now.
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>>45306059
Rogue trader used a lot of Vietnam war imagery
So all those marines with kill and ace of spades and other stuff scrawled on the helmets
The design was knights in space though
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>>45299433
But they do have a proper name

There adeptus astrates.
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>>45309424
Its a pretentious sounding name, how basic are you that you don't understand what is being said?
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>>45309460
How the FUCK is it pretentious?
Like I said earlier you're just spewing fucking words for no reason with NO actual substance at all.
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>>45308906

Me too. You're in luck, anon (provided you've got the cash):

http://victoriaminiatures.highwire.com/products/arcadian-guard?pagesize=12
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>>45309457
Now the guard they don't have a real name but that's OK

Astra militarium never happened.
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>>45309480

Latin or latin-esque = pretentious
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>>45309566
autism
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>>45309460
>it's a pretentious sounding name
yeah, like the United States of America is sooooooooooooo pretentious compared to America.

and the United Kingdom is sooooooooooooo pretentious compared to Britain.

you're just finding reasons to spew shit out of your mouth just for the sake of argument. There's no objective reason for this, you're just being a troll
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>>45309424
Adeptus->Adept
A person who is skilled or proficient at something.
Astartes->Astarte
Greek name of Babylonian goddess of war, Ishtar.

Adeptus Astartes: Dog Latin for "Person who is good at war"
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>>45309593
that's not pretentious?
the name is stupid sure, but it's not pretentious you sperg
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>>45299433
The term is "Adeptus Astartes", and it is only mortals such as yourself who say "space marine". Does it serve to strike slightly less terror in your heart when you hear the sound of bolter fire?
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>>45309593
It's pretty accurate then.
The Adeptus Asartes are in fact good at war, so good that a single company can clear a planet's population.
Hell, I'd even say the name is undercutting their skill.
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>>45309616
Not that anon, and not arguing that it isn't pretentious, just providing translation. In fact I'd say that all the High Gothic names are intentionally pretentious as it's the language of the "higher classes" in 40k.
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>>45309737
Adept of a non-existent god? Doesn't seem very relevant.

>, so good that a single company can clear a planet's population.
If you're reading a marine codex or you're talking a planet of pacifists. Otherwise, marines die to literal stone age savages, which you can read about in the Chaos codex.
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>>45299433
When did you realize that you were so deeply entrenched in Cheetos that it was making your face fat?
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>>45308276
youre a stupid faggot and i hope you die

also stop posting in 40k threads
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>>45309480
The definition was posted by someone else above.
Check it, you triggered twat.
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>>45309587
US is the official name, America is incorrect.

It exists, rather than some faux-Latin name for a future setting which was never given a reason for using Latin.

Its the same as anime that arbitrarily use Spanish words for no reason.
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>>45309978
That's nice, dear.

Now go play with your dolls outside.
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>>45309654
Roleplaying on 4chan is pathetic.
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>>45309593
Why would the wizard of athiesm name his servants "good (religion I'm trying to make everyone forget)s"?

It makes no sense. It was chosen solely because it sounded cool to the dork that sorted the mail.
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>>45310193
Why are the planets in our solar system named after gods that no one worships?
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>>45310297
Not really the same thing emps wanted to stamp out all religion

I would say its fine for him to name the marines that though he made mistakes.
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>cool anons think not liking something makes them even cooler

youre honestly like liberal faggot feminists. becoming a part of a group you dont like just so you can complain about it to everyone else in the group

dont fucking play if you dont like it. or is it that when you dont shoehorn yourself into groups that people wont talk or hang out with you? gee i wonder why
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>>45310297
Because they were worshiped when they were named.
Emps trying to stamp out religion then naming his soldiers after religion is fucking stupid.
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>>45308381
>literally describing himself
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>>45309566
Claiming an entire language is pretentious. You know exactly how fucking stupid you are.
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>>45310069
Let me guess, you think Estados Unidos sounds pretentious, too? After a while you have to realize it's not the words that are the problem, you are just that damned autistic. Shit son, you might be the source of all autism in the universe.
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>>45312566
>Estados Unidos

its really too bad people only associate spanish with shitty illegals

spanish is pretty much the closet language to latin still spoken. its just latin 2.0

that makes it pretty cool
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>>45312500
>>45312526
I don't know if you're just genuinely stupid, or if you're just so immensely butthurt about someone saying something from 40k wasn't great that you're blinded to what should be common knowledge.

Space Marines are, effectively, toys. They're little toy soldiers that eat brains and spit acid in a game where there's green fungus guys who can make things happen if they believe hard enough and will do things like painting their vehicles red to make them go faster.

It's pulpy, nonsensical, and is often considered to be more of a parody than an homage to its sci-fi origins. It's not high-browed, no matter how much people may try to pretend it is after deluding themselves that it should or can be taken seriously.

Now, using a foreign language to describe something is common form of "Puffery," very often seen in restaurant menus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menu#Writing_style

Latin, being an archaic language used primarily in scholarly circles, is often misused in an attempt to provide things with a degree of gravitas that really doesn't suit them.

To take a somewhat bastardized form of latin and use it as a name for toy soldiers that are 50% pauldron and 60% exaggeration of their capabilities really is pretentious.
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>>45299433

About a decade before Warhammer 40K even existed.
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>>45312797
>go to beaner stand
>order a taco
>i am now a highbrowed scholarly academic
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>>45312977
>"Hey, look, that guy is playing with his robot toys again."
>"THEY ARE NOT ROBOTS AND THEY ARE NOT TOYS! THESE ARE "ADEPTUS ASTARTES", AND THEY ARE WARGAMING MINIATURES!"

Did I trigger an unwelcome flashback for you?
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>>45309566
EVERY SINGLE ROMANTIC LANGUAGE AND INFLUENCED LANGUAGES ARE PRETENTIOUS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>45313402
no, why?

im pointing out that youre wrong and stupid

youre responding with babys first bait and a cognitive dissonance fit

pretentious enough for you?
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>>45309576
>>45312526
>>45313413

lol guys im on your side

i was giving my interpretation of the anon who claimed that adept asstards is pretentious
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Its actually cringey how poorly read most fa/tg/uys are.
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>>45314195
what does that have to do with the thread other than this chode?>>45302395
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>>45314195
>Its actually cringey how poorly read almost everyone is, including many post graduate students.
FTFY
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>>45314260
>>45305849
>>45308618
>>45309063

And straight up, so many of threads that start up can be answered with "its an homage to a classic sci-fi novel."
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>>45314334

oh yeah the lasgun guy. god thats embarrassing
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>>45314363
He probably thinks Dune is just the shitty Lynch movie, and no doubt after he watched it he made a thread that went:

>So Dune is literally just 40k: the movie, right?
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>>45314419
i always thought it was funny that one of the most famous things from dune is the god emperor (which is from the fourth book) but even dune "fans" rarely read past the first book
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>>45314496
A lot of people dislike the sequels though. I havent gotten there yet, but having read Dune Messiah I can see why. It was miles behind the fjrst.
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>>45314525
the 2 and 3 book do suck. 4th and then 5-6th follow different people and take place at different points in the future

4-6 are my favorite but 1 gets respect for starting it all
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>People are seriously pretending that the faux-Latin Gothic GW uses isn't "pretentious"

It's intentionally both pretentious (now, when they pretend it's super serious) and flawed for comedic effect and the aura of lost grandeur it presents (originally).

Mementumus moriartes, my amicusates. Gloriates awaits if you tranquilliatus yourself. In the grimdark of the far future there is only mendosatus latinusum.
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>>45314588
Its a reference to the type of archaic language used in Gene Wolfe's The Book of the New Sun you swine.
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>>45314624

kek I've actually read that before and didn't pick up on it.
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>>45314588
>An old and powerful organisation that is ruling most of humanity uses big and important sounding words from an old language to intimidate the masses.

Hmmmh..
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>>45314748

Shit, I just realized that one Nurglefucker's ship's name is a sword from that series too

>>45314756

>Ecclesiarchy
>with a space pope

ayyy
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>>45309593
You do realize that dog latin is like half the point of the setting
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>>45308235
Not that guy, but sure, that's what names in 40k are like. Pretentious, butchered Latin. That's intentional, but that doesn't make it good. If anything, it's intentionally bad.

Fuck, some of the most retarded things 40kids do is take the dog latin seriously.
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>>45307481
This is what happens when you start as a small wargame couched in pop culture references, and then become a massive cash cow built on the same terms but reliant on the idea of them for your IP.

This is why Space Marines and Imperial Guard are no longer called Space Marines, or Imperial Guard.
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>>45299433
...just now.
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>>45299433
What else would they be called? They're marines in spess? Embrace the 80's
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>>45299433
I think everyone realizes it when they first hear it. Unless they were 8 years old at the time.
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>>45314496
Man, I have met 40K fans who believed that he concept of a god emperor was one of 40K's great innovations. You know the sort; they talk to you all wide eyed and breathless: 'he's not just an emperor but a god!' as though the concept is just a mindblowing twist.
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>>45308558
Dune's pretty dry though
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>>45309379
No, it's been around longer than Dune

It's been around since as long as Pop-sci magazine writers learned the word "laser"
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>>45311077
>Because they were worshiped when they were named.
Not Neptune OR Uranus
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>>45316336
>Dune's pretty dry though
i know for a fact you havent read the last 3 books

its gets really weird and freaky in a lot of parts and has a lot going on
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>>45316382
>i know for a fact you havent read the last 3 books
I haven't read past the first 20 pages of book 1
I got 2 presents for my 15th birthday: a Dune omnibus and a Lija Bailey: Detective with a Robot omnibus. I found Dune boring and dug into Asimov
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>>45316400
youre an idiot

its fine if you didnt read it or dont want to but dont say its dry after 20 pages you cock sucking nigger

youre lying just to talk shit about one of the greatest sci-fi works ever?

also iv read most of p k dicks stuff and plenty in the dune sage is weirder
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>>45299433
I like legio astartes, with space marines being the coloquial term for them in low Gothic. The are the marines that operate every where from planet to ship to moon to the stars in the sky, while imperial guard or imperial army being so much more defined by the fact that they are seen as a land based force; being transported but vulnerable through the sky above; the strength being boots on the ground.

Within the guard you have all the deferential military services (marines; paras;gi;mech inf etc) but space marines are really those that do it all and are equipt to do it all; and are equipt and trained for everything and anythingthe galaxy can throw at it.

With the meat grinder that 40k is; I tend to think that the majority of battles are served by long tooth pdf we. On crusades, regiments that have trained for ten+ years and now the troopers are of age to go get turned into mince meat Co queries back a few planets and settling as they go; colony of the fittest kind of thing.

White shields being really only called into service when a planet is attacked; not so trained, or settled in the head of being a soldier.

I also like to think that first founding home world's are run amok with geneseed mind you so take it with a grain of salt. Take ultramar that place I like to think the scholiums pretty much every attendee has geneseed implanted and ig they wash out then two is removed; net gain for the chapter and the Imperium, as think of how much is lost in forays where the geneseed isn't recovered a shit ton; marines wouldn't really be part of the picture in 40k if the practice of only harvesting the seed from dead marines took place; yeah that shit happens but it's not the only source.

And yeah ok if we go with genotypes don't all match for applicants that is no real excuse; your saying an apothecary with a techmarine + 30k pre schism mechanicus couldn't work out a single positive /negative match machine? This was still the Era of innovation under the E
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>>45299433
I never had any problem with that.
Since English is not my native language, "Space Marines" doesn't sound stupid.
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Wasn't Warhammer 40k kind of supposed to be cheesy schlock given rules for large scale conflict? Like we've got Space Elves, Space Marines, Space Werewolves, Space Vampires, Space Marines with gothic architecture on their fucking planes, lil grey space men with japanese mechs, Space Orks, Xenomorphs, an army entirely comprised of the T-800, psychics, Space Vietnam, and we used to have Space Dwarves. I think the first major mistake GW made was trying to treat this game's story like it was this seriously deep and meaningful plotline.
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>>45314496
That's because the estimate are really hard going; as plot in terms of people and actual personalities ( which most books have to keep thing moving ) turn into a homage to a single character that survived; him being omniscient after that book and the grand finally. It then turns into more of a geopolitical with theological overtures is it right to make war against the entire universe to enforce your understanding of right and wrong? To shape societies from their children until their deaths with only the concept (or maybe not even that in some cases such as the Idahos waking to take the place of the last and the fishspeakers).

Turns people off bruv gets to deep and heavy; and has a glacial plot line, good reads though.
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>>45316585
iv never heard of someone not liking them or stopping at them

the only reason people dont read them is because the 2nd and 3rd books suck and they think they are going to get more of the same if they keep reading them
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>>45316625
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>>45316625
I read while at work; found them interesting.

But I can see why some people can't be fucked; shit 3/4s of my school couldn't be fucked reading an assigned book that you could smash out in a day; half a day if it was interesting. That being over almost a whole fucking year; the age of the screen has bemolished the age of imagination and art; tv and movies now being the highest form ( video games soon to steal their spot as soon as vr takes off)
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>>45313402
what the fuck rae you even doing on /tg/

Seriously
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>>45309379
It's fine though because Dune's author is as much of a cunt as GW when it comes to this shit. He wouldn't let Iron Maiden call one of their songs "Dune", so they renamed it to "To Tame A Land", apparently the lyrical content was still allowed though.
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>>45312797
I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that the Imperium is based almost entirely on the Roman Catholic Church huh? The fact that they, the basis for the faction, spoke latin couldn't possibly have anything at all to do with the naming conventions, regardless of how bastardized it is.
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>>45315659
what are spaz maroons called now?
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>>45299433
Nerver happened to me. It was clearly a silly setting to me already when I was a teenager.
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>>45312526
>I am perfectly fine with weebs speaking japanese
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>>45314881
Yeah, Terminus Est
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>>45316263
So they entierly missed the point that the Emperor is not a real god and that he is written intentionally to cast doubt over his divinity? He is at best a WIP god, but even then GW originally threw several theories out there to make his ultimate destiny ambiguous. Hell, I seem to recall reading that Rick Priestly suggested that there is a chance that the Emperor doesn't do anything at all and all those souls they feed him are wasted feeding a psychic houseplant.

These people seems like the kind of people who would join a cult if they didn't have escapism.
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>>45310297
Because of Roman/latin traditions that still saturates western society today.
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>>45317353
Still Space Marines, just now they're listed on the webstore as Adeptus Astartes: Space Marines, and the codex cover says "Codex Adeptus Astartes SPACE MARINES". Blood Angels are also a "Codex Adeptus Astartes" so it's safe to assume any new Space Marine codex from now on, vanilla or variant, will have it as well (though I don't think there have actually been any since those two).

The Cult Mechanicus and Skitarii books have the same thing going on; they're both "Codex Adeptus Mechanicus [army name in big letters]".
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>>45317584
Oh, and the Eldar as well. Codex Eldar: Craftworlds and Codex Eldar: Harlequins. Dark Eldar are the odd ones out because their current codex came before the other two.
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>>45317584
I think GW is shooting themselves in the foot with the unique names because the names will just sound like nonsense to those that are new to the setting.

With a clear name people have a better idea of what the factions are all about and if it meshes with their own interests.
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>>45308381
>the giant superhumans that are essentially nothing but legend to the imperium, who defend all of humanity once it goes to shit, are pretentious.
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>>45302805
Underrated.
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>>45316336
Keep reading your shitty 40k tie-ins then.
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>>45309796
>mfw 3 Chapters of Marines cleansed an entire system by themselves
>mfw you are one of those "it's all propaganda" faggots
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>>45307481
Oh come on, you're not seriously going to try and deny the massive influence they took from Aliens are you?

Have you ever even LOOKED at Space Hulk?
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>>45310193
>cites the inquistion and crusades as attrocities committed in the name of religion in the last church
>proceeds to have a crusade and found the inquisition
the emperor is kinda silly
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>>45317671
>>45317341

>he thinks the toy soldiers are real

Is that your mental deficiency?
Do you actually believe space marines are out there?

Because, no, they are not out in space, nor are they anything like the Roman Catholic Church except in the most superficial manners.

They are toys from a silly game where the entire joke behind the Imperium is literally that they're supposed to be as pretentious as possible in the most ridiculous ways, up to the point of some of their ships having skyscraper-tall cathedrals on the outside.

I'm actually having a hard time imagining anything more pretentious than "Do you know what would give an air of prestige, tradition, culture, and importance to that ship? If you put a cathedral on it."
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>>45310154
You do know what board you're on right?
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>>45312500
RA3 was a great game
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>>45318529
>>he thinks the toy soldiers are real
do you?
>calling plastic soldiers pretentious
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>>45318529
This is a new form of autism that i have never seen before.

And I consider myself to be pretty autistic.
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>>45304983
Get out of here Stellar.
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>>45316382
You realize it's a joke, right? Even Penny Arcade did this one.

I think you need to calm your ass down a little.
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>people are mad that 40k is cribbing off of every sci-fi book and show out there

You realize this has always been their thing, right? They used to be pretty proud of it. And I'd honestly be surprised if people didn't know about Dune or Judge Dredd, especially since the later had a great movie only a few years ago. Most people don't get as immersed into 40k and can recognize how stupid yet awesome some of these things are.

I tried Dune when I was maybe fourteen, but I couldn't get into it. Maybe I'd like it more now.
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>>45319197
Calling toy soldiers "toy soldiers" isn't pretentious.

Calling toy soldiers "Furieux Combattants de Plastique Que Je Tiens dans ma Main"?

If you're not French, in France, or made out of chocolate, it's a bit pretentious.
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>>45319543
Why is John Blanche so shit at art? Even /ic/ would laugh at this display of "skill". Also, six weeks? Looks more like "5 minutes in a kindergarten playground" to be honest.
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>they're soldiers
>they are transported in vessels
marines. that operate in and from space.
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>>45299433
I could write a book on the problems I have with 40k and that wouldn't make the appendix.
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>>45308092
>i don't know shit about 40k but i want ppl to listen to my opinions anyway

go back to bed grandpa
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>>45319845
This. Why get pedantic about names when there's already a shitton of stupid breaches of logic and bad fluff?
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>>45320091
I'd suppose because names are at the front of it all, on the face of any given army or character - in the case of "Space Marines", the face of an army which is in turn the face of the entire game and setting. Though in that sense one might consider it appropriate.
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>>45316263
>i have met strawmen

No you haven't, you colossal faggot.
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>>45316456
>one of the greatest sci-fi works ever

It's a soap opera script about dicks. About giant, talking dicks. The protag is a giant, talking Mary Sue dick. It's not even GOOD, let alone great.
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>>45299433
>When did you realize that you were so deeply entrenched up your own ass that you didn't know 40k was a little silly until JUST NOW?
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>>45299433
They're space marines. Space. Marines. Marines in space. They are literally marines which fight from spaceships.

What else would they be called? The Armorifica Bolterarium?
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>>45315659
>This is what happens when you start as a small wargame couched in pop culture references, and then become a massive cash cow built on the same terms but reliant on the idea of them for your IP

Exactly this. The game was originally a sci-fi mash-up universe with all the bits from all the universes the authors thought were cool. Except now they have to pretend it's not, even though the Imperium couldn't be any more Dune if they tried.
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2005
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>>45318529
"Oh no, dude's giving logical reasons for using a language I think is pretentious. Better call him autistic."
Go fuck yourself, kid. You know what the Roman Catholics, whom the Imperium are based on, would do? Put a cathedral on a ship. You're not saying anything to prove me wrong, just spouting opinionated garbage and calling everybody who disagrees with you retarded.
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>>45319661
lol muh cultural appropriation. Go back to tumblr please. They're not calling the "toy soldiers" Adeptus Astartes. They're calling the faction in the lore that. You are actually so fucking stupid it's hard to fathom how you're even alive.
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>>45323706
>let me tell you about Roman Catholics, kid
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>>45324161
Go on. I'm here.
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>>45323706
>Put a cathedral on a ship.

Really? We're not talking about "in" a ship, we are talking ON a ship. On the outside. At a scale where each window is about the size of a football field.

You can go ahead and be further pretentious by trying to say that there's logical reasons behind why they should be pretentious, but at the end of the day, we are looking at a toyline based around bastardizing any and everything they can get into contact with, with lore that does to science fiction what Twilight did to vampires and werewolves.

Calling them "pretentious" for giving their goofy-looking space marines a latin-esque sounding name is being rather reserved.
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>>45316336
Well it's not called the desert planet for nothing.
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>>45324593
Good thing 40k is Fantasy, not sci-fi.
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>>45319748
As someone who's had to work on commission by committee, that translates to "it took five weeks for them to decide what they actually wanted."
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>>45325389
It's such a rape of science-fiction that it has to be called science-fantasy.
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So here's the thing.

What Roman Catholics would do doesn't matter. What anyone thinks of the lore of any fictional world in the context of any aspect of the real world doesn't matter.

The Imperium isn't Roman Catholic, their imagery notwithstanding. The Imperium is a fanatical cult dedicated to a mythologized human with the powers of a god, and it's completely fictional. hate it if you want, but hate it for the right reasons, not 'muh Catholicism' or 'muh notions of reality' or anything else.

Warhammer is not trying to be realistic in the slightest, and only occasionally gives a passing nod and wink to the laws of reality. It violently sodomized ideas of reality, decorum, and realistic aesthetics, then torched the poor bastards and marched on towards highly stylized visuals, exaggerated-for-the-purpose-of-awesome game world axioms and fuck your bullshit sensibilities.

If you don't like it, that's fine. Just dislike it for reasons that actually apply, and not reasons that make you sound like your idea of fine dining is a 128 color box of Crayola crayons.
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>>45307481
If anything, some countries have retarded copyright laws.
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>>45326411

Copyright is insanely convoluted these days, isn't it? It started out "hey, this guy made a thing, so he can sell it or copies of it" and has turned into some sort of legal-political-ethical Gordian knot.

Fundamentally, I believe in the rights of creators, and think they are worth protecting. Still though, in my country (the US), those rights have been extended into legal fictions so far that someone that writes a piece of software can sell LICENSES to use it (not copies of the thing itself, mind you, but a terminable privilege of use!), as if copyright contains within it the right to tell people how they have to use a thing once they buy it. Not even the Jews tried to charge people for reading the Old Testament. It's an obscenity.
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>>45325797
I'm not hating it, I actually love it. But " The Imperium is a fanatical cult dedicated to a mythologized human with the powers of a god" sounds an awful lot like what Catholics do with Jesus.
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>>45327531
>I think having one aspect that sounds similar means they're the same thing

Nigger, really. Did the apostle have power armor? Were the Jews a kind of psychic space elf? Did the Romans shout 'WAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHH!!' every five seconds?
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>>45327596
What are false equivalencies?
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>>45327596
>I think that because one faction is based on a religion they all must be
Also the Romans in this setting are the Ultramarines, not the Orks.
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>>45299433

Ironically the Imperial Guard are the real "space marines" of the imperial forces (with felinids and other people from catachan being a sort of hyper-muhreeny muhreen force within the imperial guard) and space marines are actually Space Paladins, which technically are actually called the Astartes in game but GW could have named "Spaladins" given their general laziness.
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>>45327635

What are rhetorical devices?

>>45327665

Talk about not being able to see the forest for the trees.
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>>45327710
I'm sorry, but just because I said they are based on and heavily influenced by the Church does not mean I said they ARE them. Also please explain to me WHY their basis doesn't matter? It's actually pretty important to understand the basis when trying to figure out motivations for things, which is exactly what we're doing here. Please sit down before you have a heart attack.
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>>45327759
>Please sit down before you have a heart attack.
>I don't know what's going on here, so I'll just call him mad.

Poor guy. You sound all tuckered out.

I don't know how to make it more obvious that I am shitposting.
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>>45328041
I never said you were mad, just a little excited. I worry for your safety my friend. I'd feel incredibly guilty if you died over something I said and you weren't even correct in your objections.
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>>45328119

Nah, not excited at all. I was just being a shitter, to distract myself from the clusterfuck of a day I have had.
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