Six Smiths ain't dwarfs/duardins edition
You can't fix AoS.
I like painting Stormcast but feel the Khornates are way overdesigned and kind of obnoxious to put together and paint. Anyone else have the same experience?
Also I want to run an all vampire VC army but everyone groans at the idea of 'herohammer' what do
Before anyone starts raging at me, yes.
Im the guy who is doing lizardmen with the girlfriend who is playing khorne. Im new to tabletop completely but have loved warhammer for years. Age Of Sigmar may very well flop, but im glad to have gotten a box so as to say the I own some Warhammer miniatures. But the reason for my posting is hat I have a question about painting them up. I want something colorful, without being a pain on the eyes. What are some good color schemes for lizardmen that you guys like seeing? And what do you think of the pictures the AoS app has? If the lizardmen are Praise the Sun daemons, whats the deal with that midnight black thing they have going on? Seriously, before you tap the picture of say, a Bastiladon, its a cool picture, then you tap it and look at a close up, its a totally different scheme, and ive noticed all the updated lizardmen have the same motif.
I would really ask in the WIP thread, the thing with colorful is its going to take a lot of glazing and other techniques to look decent, that or airbrushing. You're in for some pain if you plan on layering each Saurus the old fashion way.
My favorite battle report, von Casterin vs Glottkin.
OP resources link have GW painting guide for lizardmen, pretty colorful too.
We have, but it is wolftime, not AoS.
Leave your comment there>>45272644,
and try to imagine that, you speak those line to other investors.
If someone upload BoP, I will unload the 1st book in epub format too.(I know we have scan of hardcopy already)
>We have, but it is wolftime, not AoS.
That's the picture I posted a few threads ago.
It speaks about the Deathlords armies.
I fear it is the last chance for now to get a Death repack. So my hopes are high for that article.
Here, anons, read some Black Rift of Klaxus while waiting for the Balance of Power book.
Mega-anon, please, write a post when you up it in your storage.
How are Black knights vs Hexwraiths?
Is it worth using black Knights for the deathrattle formation, or are Hexwraiths that much better?
I we're talking about the Undead....
This set looks pretty awesome but....
I prefer Coven Throne. Also maybe Black Knights. Is the special formation in the box worth it?
i love the insane amount of detail.
its a little intimidating to paint perhaps, but I watched the duncan rhodes vid on painting the starter kit, and then wrote out my paint list noting what colors I could switch around in order to give the group variety.
but yes, it is a great value as it gives you a lot to paint.
get them all based and a quick shade and layer, and then just start rocking our the detail on them.
I think your vamp army would be awesome.
you sould totally fucking do that, that would be awesome.fuck the haters, do what you want.
first, as one Anon said, WIP will help a lot.
another is to type "bastiladon paint schemes" into google and browse the images.
If you have a warhammer or games workshop store, go in and talk with the employees. they tend to be awesome for helping with the brainstorming part.
I use an app called "citadel paint list" to create and keep track of my paint sets i come up with, and my wife writes them in a list on white paper and then does a small mark of the color next to the name.
I have other people help me as I am partially colorblind, but using the above methods has worked well for me so far.
Faeit is saying the Grand Alliance: Death book is going up for preorder next Sat, amongst the (final?) bits of space wolf stuff. Don't know if repacks means undead stuff, wolf stuff, or bits of both. The book at least doesn't sound completely implausible to me given there was undead stuff in the last campaign book, means it can dovetail in nicely.
IN EVERY THREAD
You can't fix AoS, luckily it's dying.
Shh don't criticize too much or they will report you on mass and the mod who loves AoS and dicks will ban you.
So Tomb Kings are Deathlords and Vampires are Soulblights.
I just don't care anymore. Have a bat.
Holy shit, the dart landed on "realistic price for an 88 page softback". I hope this pricing for the grand alliance books continues. Hell, I hope other GW rulebooks (codexes etc.) join this pattern, though that's probably wishful thinking.
35 warscrolls doesn't seem very many though, there's 71 products on the webstore currently. Even considering some of those are army bundles, and other stuff (like skeleton warriors) can be condensed into a single warscroll, it's hard not to worry some stuff might fall off.
>Settra's FUCK YOU campaign against Chaos won't be mentioned
Why is 'What are you, poor?" always the defense for GW's prices?
Has it never occurred to some people that a lot of us can afford it, but think the prices are horrendous anyways?
Fine name, works.
Terrible and not fititng.
Couldn't they have been something like 'Darksoul Necromancers' or something?
Cute reference. Drop it.
RATTLE RATTLE RATTLE
Works, you could have gone with 'Flesh-eater COunts' or 'Crimson Counts' for the Vampires now that I think about it..
>Beasts of the Grave
Another cheeky (self) reference. Also terrible.
D- apply more effort.
I make $18 an hour, that's STILL a lot of fucking money. That's an objective fact, unless you have no understanding of the value of a fucking dollar.
I could buy a Revell model half my size for that.
How much better would this game be if you had to use the Warscrolls detachments and you couldn't increase the unit sizes? Or rather, you buy a box, that's the max amount of models in the unit, and then you're limited by Warscrolls for how many units you can take total.
>Fine name, works.
>Terrible and not fititng.
>Couldn't they have been something li
I'm just surprised there are no Deathknights. Could have used that for Grave Guard or Vampires if Vampire Count isn't viable.
Of course, that is a given. Not that I expect GW to..
Though I get the feeling that the current warscrolls were as much experiments as they were stop-gaps. If this thing lives to a second edition we might actually see better implementation
and I hope to god points values or some sort of list construction system that works.
They want maximum OCDONUTSTEEL so a name as often used as Deathknight wouldn't work.
Deathbarüns maybe. Redharsemen.
Or Deathcast Eterna-wait, they're going to give Nagash Sigmarine ghosts, aren't they?
>mfw I just spent 100 dollars on pretty square bases so I can play both 9th Age and Age of Swiggity Swigmar
"grand alliance" of death
- Drops half of the existing undead units
- Adds nothing new in return
- can't be bothered to offer more than a single paltry formation to let you play the handful of old units it did bother to include in a new way
- almost sure sign that undead won't be getting any substantive new releases for AoS in the next year
Literally worse than nothing. But at least the book's cheap, I guess?
Destruction will at least keep both of their constituent armies (orcs and ogres). You could at least call that an alliance, if not a grand one. The grand alliance of death is just vamp counts. Not only is it not grand, it can hardly even be called an alliance.
Squatting TK is stupid as hell, them and Skaven are the two things GW produces and nobody else does.
They have no third party competition on Egyptian skeleton soldiers.
>But at least the book's cheap
That is really big for gw.
There are 39 vc + 26 tk in app, consider that all tomb kings won't be included, which 4 warscrolls will drop? My money on Bat Swarms, Count Mannfred(merged), Black Coach and Fell Bats.
Settras going to come back with his new golden body he was promised and all the tomb kings are going to come back as statues instead of deathrattles. He's gonna kick the shit out of Archcaon and send the chaos forces screaming back to their gods. Then everyone is going to like Settra better than Nagash and will start following him as their God of death. Poor nagash will never catch a break. Sigmar will try to get Settras allegiance, to which Settra will reply "FUCK YOU SETTRA IS THE ONLY GOD-KING" and the tomb kings become the new antagonists of the setting
Thats actually a pretty good concept, both in fluff and game terms. They could get rid of all the shitty old school skeletons and replace them with badass egyptian terra-cotta warriors, while still keeping all the excellent animated construct models they have now. Make a golden settra in a blazing flying chariot their giant centerpiece 20 wound super unit. Everybody wins.
Fluffwise, keep the war of the dead going on through the age of myth and into the age of chaos. In fact, make that the reason why chaos was able to fuck up the realm of death in the first place. Settra got sick of Ruling alongside his ancient enemy and decided "FUCK YOU GUYS SETTRA DOES WHAT SETTRA WANTS, AND SETTRA SAYS FUCK NAGASH" and rebelled against sigmars alliance, returning to the realm of death to conquer all of it and kick the shit out of nagash. With both undead armies out of the equation, sigmars armies are severely weakened and fall to chaos. With seta and nagash locked in battle, the realm of death is open to invasion. By the time the 2 death gods realize it, its too late and both are forced to retreat. Cut to the present, Sigmar sends storm casts into shysh to reunite with his old allies, but fears that gaining the allegiance of one before the other will gain him a new enemy.
>They could get rid of all the shitty old school skeletons and replace them with badass egyptian terra-cotta warriors
Now, I know you mean well
But I spent fucking money on those skeletons, man
For everyone panicking that they are axing all the TK stuff. Might it be possible that they are eliminating some 'double' units?
All the variations on skeletons will just become 1 warscroll, tomb guard and grave guard are merged, etc, etc?
If you take a look at the factions supported by the new death book its more likely that TK just aren't in. The app counts 39 VC warscrolls and if you take out the special chars. 35.
They won't drop TK.
So any hope they will make new mini's for Jezzails/Globadiers any time soon? The skryre battallions look pretty good but so far they require quite a lot of jezzails and Globadiers.
>Anyone interested in a share of the Skulkers of Skullpass warscroll?
This is the problem Tomb Kings, Brettonnia and the Empire currently have in AoS.
How can there be Tomb Kings if Khemri was destroyed?
Who does Settra worship now all the Khemrian gods are dead? Do all the Tomb King forces work for Nagash since he's now the God of the Dead, even if that goes against their sole motivation? And who runs the Morgue Factory?
For the same reason any of the existing factions can exist.
Their themes can still be applied to the new setting. Who is to say that there is no feudal kingdom of humans somewhere or a prussian empire of humans?
Regarding Tomb Kings, they might not be 'the Tomb Kings' anymore, but egyptian undead is still in the cards. Frankly we don't know all too much about Shyish in AoS, but VC and TK can still be continued there in a slighty new fashion.
Yeah, the realms are so huge and varied that literally anything is possible. Josh reynolds suggested that a variation of each culture that existed on the old world can be found in each of the realms. And pretty much every combination of races could probably have been found living together, seeing as even orcs and undead were part of the great alliance. I think the Khorne bloodhound BT even mentions a civilization of Duardin and Goblins! Pretty much anything you can come up with is justified in the vast and unexplored background of AoS.
Pretty much no hope at all, they removed all the skaven shit that didn't have a model and every old character, notice how every Chaos BSB is gone.
Buy a Warp lightning cannon and a box of Stormvermin.
Use the handful of Plagueklaw heads and put them on the Vermin, with some convertions and using bitz to make backpacks and GS the globes and masks you could make probably 10 or so.
The remaining SV can be given Kroot arms if you can abtain them to make very cheap Jezzails.
what's the skulkers? never heard of it
How the fuck do Skaven 'tunnel through' reality? how is Skavenblight half sunken into the warp? are Skaven part daemons now? how does anyone travel any fucking where in this world
The realm thing is such a shit idea. Part of Fantasy's charm was it all took place on one world so everything mattered, unlike 40k where a planet can explode and it mean's nothing
>Part of Fantasy's charm was it all took place on one world so everything mattered
I suggest that, you should join this thread instead>45274465.
Joke aside, I will try to answer your questions.
>How the fuck do Skaven 'tunnel through' reality?
Much like their tunneling "technology " in The Old World, since they live in Realm of Chaos, a realm that connect to anywhere, so skavens can "tunnel through" the realm with trial and error. BTW, there tunnels collapse frequently.
>how is Skavenblight half sunken into the warp?
Classic skavens quaility, maybe Great Horned One rolled "misfire" when merging into Realm of Chaos.
>are Skaven part daemons now?
No. A lot of mortals exist in Realm of Chaos, under the regin of Dark Gods.
>how does anyone travel any fucking where in this world
Most of mortal do not travel thru Mortal Realms, and a few ways to do it. 1st, thru realmgates; 2nd via spaceships, Slann and seraphon go where they please; 3rd, by magic or teleport, even the Great Maw of ogors(ogres) can open portal for his worshippers. That's all I know.
>hey took the Horned Rat, made it a chaos god
The Horned Rat was always a Chaos God. The Skaven themselves were described as Chaos mutants/Children of Chaos even in the oldest lore sources.
What's wrong with you people?
Classic skavens quaility, maybe Great Horned One rolled "misfire" when merging into Realm of Chaos.
Actually the sinking happened after. The Skaven fucked up with some arcane machinery.
Tell me something that I don't know why don't you?
There are countless Chaos entities and gods in the Realm of Chaos but there are only Four Chaos which spawned them all.
The Horned Rat ascended from being a lesser Chaos God to the main Pantheon of Big Four.
The plagueklaw heads are not in scale with Stormvermin, I use Doomwheel heads which are a pain to acquire. Will post a pic of the WIP when I get back.
Not too crazy about kroot arms either, they have non-human hands (4 digits, 2 thumbs) and are not in scale with most skaven.
Thanks for the tips, though atm I'm thinking about converting the Cannon crew(only clanrat which doesnt have a molded on arm)
The Skulkers is a battalion with jezzails, stormvermin and Stormfiends for Clan Skrye
Thanks for posting, but..
>TWO units of Stormfiends.
Fucking Jewdubs man. i hate when a formation has a crazy huge minimum requirement.
Any other Skaven formationd about? i hope pestilens and moulder got some new stuff.
Which two are they?
I don't wanna count the ' Hurrr buy a Verminlord/furnace + Realmgate' shit, fuck that weak cashgrab to sell their shitty terrain, it's not even a good formation.
I assume the second is one i've not heard of apart from the original 'Plague clawpack' in the pdf
I want an Eshin one that involves a few Assassins, maybe like a kill-team and you can mark a specific enemy hero as the target for more damage, etc.
Finally, what would /tg/ like to see in a Start collecting: Skaven box?
I think Lizardmen have only one currently on their warscroll.
Beastmen are kind of just Chaos Allies now, they removed all their named characters and some monsters and such. they appear in the Chaos tome
the names they are pulling out of nowhere are incredible, in the sort of 'only a 12-year-old boy would think this is cool' kind of way.
gascloud chokelung? gautfyre skorch? whyrlblade threshik? for real?
Honestly as someone who interacts with GW from time to time for my work, I don't really think that the 'shills' exist.
You'd be surprised how many people (unwittingly) do PR/Marketing for companies. Have you seen seen 9fag before the release of Fallout 4?
How the hell can a unit or formation be good or bad? What on earth do you people mean when you say that?
In the absence of any sort of balancing mechanic everything just sorta exists, it isn't good or bad. Sure some might have higher numbers, but doesn't that just mean your opponent lets you take more or less of them?
Can any kind and smart anon explain to me this affair with races' names? What profit for GW in naming them uniquely? Is there actuall danger that some smart ass will register rights for word "orcs" or "elves"?
Tzeentch always has less than anyone, and Slaanesh got nothing.
Also, what's this bullshit about Archaon taking all of Slaanesh's worshipers? How the fuck did that work?
Cuz every non aspie can eyeball balance, compare the state troop battallion with the wander host battalion. Both are meant to do roughly the same thing. I'd prefer the state troop battallion.
No no Orc is not copywritable, but Orruk is.
So some company can make an Orc Warboss that looks similarish to a GW orc but they can't make an Orruk Warbass(tm).
It's so they can protect their own IP a little easier. If it was a new company, or a new game then I could see why, but this is a poor move in the eyes of established customers on an existing IP when there's no defensive IP enforcement being made. It just looks desperate.
Aelf, Ogor and Duardin aren't that bad, though if they wanted original names for the elves they could have stuck with Asur, Asrai and Druchii, or made up something along those lines. Same goes with dwarfs, they should have just called them Dawi.
Orruks is weird and takes longer to type out than orcs so no one is going to use it.
Its the fucking death faction names that get me. Deathmage? Nighthaunt? DeathRattle? when has the word "rattle" ever been threatening without the word "snake" immediately following it?
You need to remember that most copyright law works like this:
If you don't protect your IP (aggresively) you lose it. So making things cpoyrightable can sometimes just be common sense, since you know you are gonna end up in court.
Not saying that this is happening at GW, but I noticed that most people have a very limited knowledge of IP and copyright law. Not that I'm an expert by far.
Still I don't understand. I still can buy Orc warboss from other company, who look pretty similar to GW one, put it on the table and name it Orruc or what ever as much as I like. And all other guys who plays with me will see and identify it as Orruc if we play AoS. What rights they want to protect? Right to write this new name on the cover of the miniature's box?
Absolutely no reason why not. You could also say theres a district of azyrheim that looks exactly like nuln and is inhabited by previous Nuln citizens. Or you can do alternate versions of Nuln in each of the realms. Almost anything is possible
Yes I'm aware (some aren't) about actually protecting your IP to maintain it but there are other ways of maintaining your market presence that doesn't involve using laws to do your job.
In some ways (and I understand the purpose of IP protection, don't get me wrong), usurping the competition is making a better product, providing better service and being a better company. Not smashing every competitor with a hammer each time a new one appears. China for instance doesn't give a fuck about IP (generally), you have to beat them by being better, not more aggressive. Right now they're being very EAish, if you know what I mean.
I'm just saying, just because there is no numeric value, doesnt mean you can't think something is cool/good.
Maybe people think think that a certain rule or battallion gives them a cool gameplay hook. Thus it's deemed good
Thing is, let's say you've invested quite a lot of money into an IP. And then some jackass (ab)uses your IP to make a quick buck.
That is something that can bankrupt your company. Because esspecially in games/film/etc IP is really the only truely valueable thing you have.
And because of the law, you have to defend it very vigoursly or risk losing it in the eyes of the court.
Again, not saying that's a good system, or that you have to squash everyone who is infringing in a minor way. But I am getting quite sick of everyone demonising every major company for protecting their IP. Like Ubisoft and EA are fighting over the ghost trademark. I can imagine that neither company is really looking forward to the court case, but the legal system is forcing them(in a sense)
the Khorne units are fairly straight forward. In a way I like them better than the older warriors of chaos because they look more like gladiators than vikings, it just fits. Could have been much worse, like every spike has a skull on it.
how is that going to work. Mad Max has a custom vehicle called the Deathrattler, and I don't see how they can slap (tm) onto a term like that.
Why not just make models cheaper so you don't have to protect yor IP
No I'm not demonising them. The ghost thing is fucking stupid though. Gentleman's agreements can be had. It's worse with patents right now though if you look at how easy it is to operate shell-company patent attacks against mega-corps for cash.
Here's the thing, GW wanted firmer protection of its IP, something that actually came from an aggressive action they took themselves. The tyranid debacle. What happened though was it made the company more closed. They're now even more tight-lipped than they used to be. There seems to be us vs them, where us is GW and them is the customer. They're trying to do what Apple did, without the competence to produce surprise products. What they get is a groan from the stalls, not applause when something new appears.
A lot of people got upset (rightly so IMO) when they basically refused to acknowledge anything was happening before BAM all change. Even after that point there was poor corporate cohesion on the new game. They couldn't even coordinate the rollout of websites/marketing properly. It was drips, not waves.
I was reading the 1d4chan entry and in the After The End Times section it says that "the next part is sketchy". What does that mean? It it true or not?
Please answer, I'm deciding on whether I want to buy books which tells me if I want to buy models.
Yeah their communication has been really awefull. Which doesn't help with the brand image they are trying to create.
They want to be the friendly neighbour with the nice, cool and expensive toys.
But the image they are creating at the moment is more of a patronising demon with cool and expensive toys.
>people should stop whinging so excessively about GW prices though. Have they ever tried a truely expensive hobby?
Or advertise so your IP is iconic.
Right now the mainstream thinks Warhammer stole their Orcs from Blizzard. You need to dispel that, not give up and start over in a niche.
Now people who like Grimgor in Total Warhammer and want merch will see Age of Sigmar Orruks and pass on it thinking they missed the boat.
You can have a TM on an exisiting thing, as long as it's different. It might also be about how unique your universe is in general.
if you create Gothic Superhuman Space Knight miniatures then pretty GW could say that you are infringing. But GW doesn't have copyright on Gothic, superhuman or Space knight stuff. And then the medium also plays a large role. Honestly it's not a mathematical thing and every case is different.
Yeah, as always good communication would have gone a long way in the whole AoS debacle. And yes from a PR standpoint AoS has been a disaster. Gamewise and saleswise I can't really judge, my group is pretty enthused about the ruleset. New setting doesn't excite me all that much though.
They've also got the problem that in the digital domain the IP on display is the old (WHFB) not the new AOS. This to the passing customer is illogical and confusing.
They've really done themselves a disservice. I expect the 2016 financials will reflect that.
I really agree. I like the rules and that I can kinda bring what I want within reason, but the setting is not really working for me atm. We'll see when we get to the TK and elves for my part.
yeah 2016 financials might not be that good, but on the other hand you have to sow before you can reap.
When capcom went through a rough patch because they were restructuring everyone gave them a lot of shit as well, yet they were one of the first Japanese publishers to get out of the slump.
1d4chan presents its info in a sarcastic, jocular manner. They're playing on the fact that so many people are hating on AoS and that so far the lore is still underdeveloped.
Yeah most stock brokers aren't that clever in terms of long term stuff they just get by on having contacts and getting deals done
That's why we had shit where oil went up - economists say this will cause reduced demand etc - oil goes down - economists say this will mean more money in the pocket so people will spend more and demand will go up - oil price rises
There were economists on the news with graphs saying China would have 10% growth for the next 100 years because it had that rate for 5 years in a row
Thing is. Computer gaming is a growth market. Tabletop I would say less so. There's room to grow sure. But it's a smaller niche. The last thing you want to do is alienate existing customers whilst confusing new ones in the name of growth. If it was a random game system they slowly established on top of whfb then it might be a little less offensive to both groups. Problem is this might make less financial sense on paper and money rules the roost.
Except AoS is nothing like the WHF of old.
I'm loved the look of WHF since the 90s but never got into it. Even considered buying the RPG from ffg. But were I to buy WH now if would be AoS which lore aside, has basically nothing to do with what WHF was.
I hope total war doesnt suck.
I don't mean to be rude but because of your summary there you are not a desired audience period you like what they are offering but you did not buy anything, that makes your input and feelings on that inconsequential. The bottom line is will somebody buy this or not and you along with a lot of other people we're not buying Fantasy.
At the end of the day that's what matters the most. We can argue about the reasons why and the trends that it's going and where it's going or not going but ultimately not enough people were buying.
Don't let all the Doom and gloom put you off of it. There are a ton of people enjoying AoS. There are plenty of YouTube batreps floating around for it, put out by multiple prominent producers of wargaming content. If you're questioning whether or not to get into it, I'd start there.
War of the Realms: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLliZQodsai-jE4gDmSTy3FxjMrn4_O9uW
Realms of Conflict - Warhammer: Age of Sigmar Battle Reports: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzrPO7KIAtwVBEtiGJXQ1YcmmMUp9kN2q
The Great Crusade - Age of Sigmar Battle Reports: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVYCMqmeLRl8DyOPuEChyOflgwxXXN5wJ
Warhammer Age of Sigmar: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-b0the1MK7r21ECBGzi9PkV5lJIIXA80
Has this been discussed here yet?
Format for first AoS throne of skulls. The laurels of victory and underdog system seems pretty neat.
My only gripe is that 30 seems like an absurdly low number of models considering I wanted to take my night goblins and you need thirty of the fucks in one unit to do anything whatsoever.
I'm just really not feeling the story. It seems too much like a JRPG to me. I'm trying to see the good in it, GW lore tends to be deep and varied for multiple audiences to glom onto something, but all I've really seen so far is Stormcast Eternals and Chaos and neither faction appeals to me as lore or models. I really like the look of the Tomb Kings but they don't seem to even be in the setting yet, just their faction leader and I have no desire to buy his model.
I dread the day that Bretonnia gets a book.
Could you imagine the fucking Brets in AoS?
>The rules state you get a bonus if you do a 'allo 'allo French accent
>not getting a bonus for "French taunting"
This is probably gonna happen, unless they get squatted.
The fluff is not all Stormcasts and Bloodbound. They were just the first two big releases. The narrative will eventually expand to encompass the rest of the factions. Some of them are already getting their own fluff/Battletomes such as the Fyreslayers and Seraphon.
>There are a ton of people enjoying AoS
Where was that? The free stuff only focused on two factions and kinda touched on the rest really quickly.
I'm not going to buy something to read the basic lore. I use the lore to decide on if I like a faction, so if that isn't free I don't know if I will care, meaning I don't care.
From 1d4chan it looks like only the groups that don't interest me are getting attention. I sort of liked Slaanesh but it looks like that faction is on its way out or is being the bitch of everyone else to make them look better. I don't want to put money into that.
>I'm not going to buy something to read the basic lore. I use the lore to decide on if I like a faction, so if that isn't free I don't know if I will care, meaning I don't care.
The lore has never been free outside of blurbs.
There's been wikis on the other Warhammers. Age of Sigmar doesn't seem to have a wiki.
Do you guys just buy this stuff hoping your faction will get lore? How long do you usually have to wait to get yours?
Not to mention the fact that it has all been made available to you for free by myself and others who AREN'T whiney cunts and are willing to share what we HAVE paid for so that all of you can enjoy it without having to despite the fact that doing so is contrary to the cause of supporting the company that produces said content.
>There's been wikis on the other Warhammers.
Not official ones. You can find AoS stuff on wikis too. Hell, you can find the ebooks online if you're even a little bit savvy.
>Do you guys just buy this stuff hoping your faction will get lore?
There will typically be hints that your faction will get lore in WD and the like.
> How long do you usually have to wait to get yours?
In Warhammer Fantasy it took many years. AoS is going faster. We've already had five army books, three campaign books and a bunch of stuff from Black Library.
Maybe he meant to say 'none?' I mean, they rhyme.
Knocked out a quick list for this:
Harbinger of Decay (general)
Rotbringer Sorceror and Familiar
10 Plague Monks
3 Nurgling Swarms
Summonable: 3 Plague Drones, up to 5 times I guess
Feel like it hits the balance between fluffy/fun and competitive.
Why are people still crying about Slaanesh being squatted? If anything, Slaanesh has gotten far more attention in the AoS fluff than he ever did in fantasy. All he did there was troll elves and then fail badly against them once they got their shit together. In AoS we actually have slaaneshi war bands fighting everyone, being featured in most of the Battletomes and campaign books, and giving them an interesting motivation other than "lol kill aenarions descendants."
Elves, ahem, Aelfs, don't even exist in the realms other than azyr and you don't see people bitching about how elves are being squatted
Because Warriors of Chaos are fucking faggots, and the way Warhammer lore works is if you aren't belonging to a Chaos God and favored you are not shit.
Also, Slaanesh had more of a presence in the lore than anyone. Tzeentch plotted, Slaanesh got shit done since almost every cult was Slaaneshi because his portfolio is literally corruption.
>Just fucking no.
It is official lore, not everyone worshipping Sigmar, a few even "worshipping" vampire for protection.
>So when do the Tomb Kings and Slaanesh get their own lore?
Read >>45328673 and >>45311107
End Times is Age of Sigmar, not Warhammer.
As you recall Tzeentch didn't do shit either. Nor did Ogres. Greenskins didn't end up meaning anything.
In fact, Khorne failed pretty hard. Nurgle and Khorne were the big players on the side of evil.
>So when do the Tomb Kings and Slaanesh get their own lore?
Slaanesh has had quite a bit of lore already.
Tomb Kings are gone, but Tomb King style undead have been seen in some short stories and will likely appear in the death books which I think will be the next release.
>will likely appear in the death books which I think will be the next release.
No TK sighted so far, BTW Krell still here!!! Deathrattle army of bone!!!
Who actually approved this?
Warhammer End times set on the warhammer world with warhammer fantasy characters was Age of sigmar? Ok.
And how did Khorne fail? His forces drove the dark elves out of naggarond, mopped up what was left of the empire, finished off Athel Loren, killed one of the incarnates and stalemated the rest, and didn't suffer any major losses until Sigmar Himself returned.
A death rattle is the sound made by one at the hour of their expiration. However, it is not a particularly threatening term, and a more minatory word than the one listed previously would be something not unlike "Undead Legion", which while being significantly unoriginal, comes with certain maniacal and ominous air.
Khorne's forces were defeated to the last in Naggaroth, the DE left because Malekith decided to push his claim.
Athel Loren was finished off more by Beastmen than anyone.
Khorne's only victory was an Incarnate, meaning he tied with Mannfred.
The problem isn't the logic, its the glorious Bretonnians worshiping an ELF.
Even worse, Elf Anakin Skywalker.
Worse still, a fucking blind Elf Anakin Skywalker who requires a wizard to see anything.
A fucking wizard.
Fucking Gorkamorka would be better. Hell, fucking Morathi.
Not the literal cuckolded piece of shit that not even High Elf players like.
Why the fuck can't we have the Green Knight back? He's already a damn ghost, and non-Incarnates already managed to survive.
>Khorne's forces were defeated to the last in Naggaroth, the DE left because Malekith decided to push his claim.
Nope. Malekith fled, though some stayed behind to continue the fight, like Hellebron, she too had to eventually leave. Khorne stomped Naggaroth.
>its the glorious Bretonnians worshiping an ELF.
For one thing they weren't Bretonnians.
For another Bretonnians did worship an Elf.
>Fucking Gorkamorka would be better.
Sure, maybe if it were the Realm of Beasts.
>Hell, fucking Morathi.
Morathi is not even a god.
>For one thing they weren't Bretonnians.
Fuck you you fucking piece of shit fuck.
>For another Bretonnians did worship an Elf.
Who they rightfully abandoned as soon as they knew.
>Sure, maybe if it were the Realm of Beasts.
Show me where it fucking says the Brets are in Sigmarville or whatever they shitting fuck they call it.
>Morathi is not even a god.
Show me where the fuck it says that.
I'm not going to look through that for you.
Just do a search for Morathai.
>until the fucking store page says anything otherwise they are fucking Brets
No Bretonnians have appeared anywhere in AoS, so I don't see what you're getting so flustered about. As far as we know, no Bretonnian worships Tyrion because they are all dead.
Khorne wrecked Naggarond so bad that even if the dark elves did hold out they would have been a pale shadow of their former glory. 3 major cities fell pretty quickly, volroth had a garrison of 80,000 and fell before a relief force could even get there. only 1/5 of the naggarothi nobility were alive by the time malekith tried to leave. Valkia and Skarbrand were both defeated and that still did nothing. Dark elves ran away, the source would be End times Nagash and End times Khaine.
Says she's still flesh and blood, but she was powerful enough to join Sigmars Pantheon and be present at the battle of Burning skies. They mentioned "morathian sea fortresses" in one of the scenarios, so she's probably worshiped as a goddess by the mortals anyways.
shit, forgot the pic related
>Mfw Reading clan Eshin section in the chaos 'dex
>They are so fast and secretive! no one knows where they live or how they train..!
>..But you can maybe purchase their skills somehow
>Eshin warriors are masters of poison, firearms, explosives, shadows and sabotage!
>...No poison mechanics, no guns or bombs anywhere in the warscrolls. best ranged attack is a throwing star.
>Their battlecry is: "pfft.. nothin personnel...man-thing.."
Where were you when GW outsourced the fluff to Fanfiction.net?
I kinda like how hyped it all is. Bonus points for using the classic awesome gutter runners.
Night runner kit update when??
Why you surprised? Book has old as shit models in it. Wait until a proper update arrives. I have no clue what's going on via rules.
Also, I saw another fucking "joke" rule in the book. Fuck off GW. I don't want to say a word 3 times just to get +1 to hit. Fire Dorfs ALSO had two bullshit things in. One of them was so shit I dunno why it exist.
>Make a grudge and target a character! Oh wait your opponent can decline this... So you either grumble and don't get the bonus or keep on making 'grudges' until your opponent gets bored and accepts
Why GW? Why?
I've been thinking about the Tomb Kings stuff. If they were getting squatted, keep an eye on the "Last Chance" section on GWs site. A lot of the TKs nicer kits are it's newer ones from, what, 3-4 years ago?
I think they maybe updating a few of the core models to work with the new death theme, with some more Arkhan-ish ascetics. Either that, or they're working TKs into whatever the construct army is
Ok, how about we introduce the bretonnians back into AoS?
Fluff: during the end times, king louen leoncoeur seems to have been raised to godhood by lileath after getting rekt by festus empowered. Im going to assume he goes to the haven, and when this gets destroyed, he and a large portion of the super-grail knight spirits guarding the place survive and make it to the realms. Eventually they settle in Hysh, the land which they have the greatest affinity for. Louen orders these super grail knights (Lightcast Illumiknights? in keeping with AoS corny naming) to crusade through the realms and free the tribes of peoples suffering under the lash of tyranny, or to slay dangerous beasts. Many primitive tribes are inspired by these chivalrous knights, and adopt a culture very similar to the brettonians of the world that was, though they honor Leonceur as their Patron god rather than the Lady. Louen still mourns the loss of his lover, the Lady, and Honors her in his every chivalrous deed. Thus does the cry "For the Lady" echo throughout the 8 realms, though for a slightly different reason. Louen believes that it was the Ladys sacrifice that allowed him and his knights to survive the end times, and sees it fit that those who honor him also give thanks to his fallen benefactor. Louen joined sigmars Pantheon and was a steadfast ally, but after the battle of burning skies he was forced to retreat back to Hysh. He ordered his knights to protect the last pure places they could find throughout the realms, no matter how meek or insignificant. Some sites perished under the onslaught of chaos, but many more held out through the age of chaos, bastions of hope and order in a sea of madness and death. With Sigmars storm breaking, the Fyreslayers returning to action, and the gates of Azyr being opened, Louen has declared a crusade to aid his old allies.
They will be. Just like Empire will be. Several times it has mentioned mortal men go out to fight with Sigmarines against Chaos. So I assume that is them.
Furthermore, I think it was one of the recent White Dwarfs (or maybe Visions) mentioned Flagellatents... but the fluff text didn't seem to be WHFB related. I can't remember exactly, but it seemed to mention Empire troops.
So just read 'Godless' and it had sexy Slaanesh people in it... Yet there is one bit where it went
>As was her way, she – and though verbal language lacked the nuance to describe, much less define, her gender, of late she felt like being a she – thought long and carefully before answering.
Should be useful to dump on the SJW crowd who might attack 40k.
Wait, Sands of Blood? I don't remember that one.
I remember listening to two. One started off with Mannfred being freed and the next one was about Mannfred and Co finding some Vampire Monks or something?
Was that Sands of Blood? I need to listen to Part 3 and 4 then.
Thanks, I found it.
>>45329970 having just read the story, it says nothing about the people being brets, more likely empire, they use a luminark and wizards after all. So no reason to be buttblasted.
Don't worry. It's basically just the free rules combined together. Oh and for some reason Chaos can now take Dark Elf Harpies.
The entire book is just OP nonsense if you're Nurgle.
Is the order in power.
It also has fluff about Slaanesh.
But it doesn't have any formations for Eshin, only for Skyre (technically not a formation, but you get bonuses to units if you take multiples of a single type).
All the clans have been split up
Masterclan (Thanquol + Verminking + Grey Seers)
Clan Verminus (Clan Rats, Storm Vermin)
Clan Skyre (Engineering)
Clan Moulder (Beasts)
Clan Pestilins (Plague)
Clan Eshin (Assassins)
So my guess is, since they don't have formations but the main Chaos forces do (well the monsters and shit don't) such as Slaves to Darkness, Beastmen, Specific Gods and so on, they'll get their own book with them soon.
That guy says it goes
1. Prisoner of the Black Sun
2. Sands of Blood
3. The Lord of Helstone
4. Bridge of Seven Sorrows
I thought Prisoner of Black Sun had Mannfred being freed? So which one is the one where Mannfred finds the vampire Monk things which turn into Varghiests?
People need to chill. I don't think Bretonnians have been squatted. Why? Because fucking Beastmen have rules and formations. So, since Bretonnia has rules like all the factions do, I assume it'll be released at some point.
The problem the guy raging seemed to have was the idea they worshipped and Elf.. Well they did. Lady of the Lake was an Elf. So them worshipping an Elf in AoS isn't going to fuck anything.
Beastmen are split up into two 'factions'. Brayherds and Warherds.
Brayherds are Beastlords, Shamans and Ungors and shit. Warherds are for Doombulls, Bullgors and Gorgons.
There is one one formation, for Breyherds.
>a Wildstalker Brayherd consists of the following units:
>1-3 Great Bray-Shamans
>2-6 units of Bestigors and/or Tuskgor Chariots
>3-9 units of Gors
>4-12 units of Ungors and/or Ungor Raiders
>Primal Fury: goaded on b their chieftans and shamans, the beastmen become consumed by a savage fury, tearing apart the hated foe. Models from a Wildstalker Brayherd make one extra attack with each of their melee weapons whilst they are within 16" of their Beastlord. You can also re-roll wound rolls of 1 made for these models whilst they are within 16" of both their Beastlord and a Great Bray-Shaman from the same battalion
>Breyherd Ambush: Endowed with the cunning of the hunting pack, a Wildstalker Brayherd is adept at encircling the foe and attacking from an unexpected direction. Instead of setting up the units in a Wildstalker Brayherd on the battlefield, you can place them to one side. In your first movement phase you must set up all of these units wholly within 6" of the edges of the battlefield, and more than 9" away from any enemy models. This is the unit's move for the movement phase.
Well, we will have to wait and see. My assumption was Brets would be mortal Paladins instead of the immortal Sigmarine Paladins.
They would choose a God and worship and fight for them, regardless of who or what they are. Since they're probably mortal warriors who survived Age of Chaos or sons and daughters of them at least.
So that's my guess.
>He knew it so well. The Master of Change was his lord and guide, but it was not the hand of Tzeentch that extended over the Thousand Portals. It was the touch of the Star-crawlers, the thieves that had taken the Cosmic Gate from the Great Architect in the distant eons of prehistory.
>They had a name, a mortal appellation that did nothing to convey the wholly interdimensional horror of their antithetical nature. The Slann. Starmasters. Heavenly lords dedicated to the purging of all that was and could be. A cleansing blandness that would stop the worlds in their orbits and split the realms from each other for eternity, trapping all in the cosmic amber of stasis.
What? I don't remember reading anything bout that. The Slann want Chaos defeated, that's it. Their fluff was nothing more than "We beat Chaos and if you help them, through choice or not, or you might somehow help them by just living, we'll kill you". Which was the same as WHFB. The curse of Tzeentch (I believe) that caused them to stay asleep in WHFB has been replaced by their minds knowing everything bout the past and future meaning they can't really see the present. They're like Fateweaver except it's constant. They have near infinite power (which is not possible, you're either infinite or you're not).
Yet this fluff says they locked this gate in pre-history. Meaning they did it before mankind and Elves and shit appeared. So Seraphon have been fighting Chaos in the realms before Sigmar and Co even arrived. Which is cool, but, again, just like WHFB.
I'm starting to think not much has changed at all in terms of fluff.
Yeah, Beastmen are pretty good now.
Cygors, at full health, can throw their Boulder 18", has 4+ to hit, 2+ (!) to wound, -2 Rend and does D6 damage. That's pretty insane if it hits And you can re-roll it if it's against a Wizard.
Oddly enough, it's melee weapon, Massive Horns, is 4+ to hit, 3+ to wound, -1 rend and 1 damage, but at full health you do 8 attacks. It's also got a 2" range for some reason.
Best thing is, it can unbind two spells per turn and if you successfully do it, the enemy Wizard takes one MORTAL wound and the Cygor heals 1 wound.
Since it's got an insane range attack and isn't shabby in melee, it's pretty good. Has 14 Wounds, 7 Bravery. 8" move at full health. Only a 5+ save though, but you're ranged, so no worries.
Also Centigors and Jabberslythes are considered "Monsters of Chaos" now. So are Harpies.
I don't think the factions mean anything really.
Eh, no one says they HAVE to worship Tyrion, and we haven't heard diddly squat about the brets yet anyway. All we know from the story is that there are humans in Hysh worshipping Tyrion, using a luminark.
Humans who have light wizards, worship tyrion, and wear silver armor with white robes. Im guessing they combine the high elf and light college aesthetic in their design. They probably revere blind people since they see it as tyrions blessing. And their city was suspended above a canyon on beams of light. Sounds like a pretty interesting civilization, wish they'd explore more into it. But since AoS background is so vast and ill defined, we can easily come up with any cool civilization or place we want
as a dwarf player, no no one plays fire slayers.
normal slayers were ok/cool tier.
fireslayers are fat naked manchildren with no style.
i want more machines and steam-dwarves damnit.
As a Dwarfs player, the only thing stopping me from buying them is a lack of money set aside for them. Not to mention there already a bunch of batreps on YouTube right now with people playing Fyreslayers. You're talking out of your ass.