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Eight Ancient Tombs Edition
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>>45274083
first for memes
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>>45274083
eye is much better than ancient tomb in the deck, since it basically taps for 2 for every eldrazi you cast, so it can effectively tap for 4-8 mana when you are casting several spells with it
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claiming this thread in the name of gleemax
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>>45274046
I think i heard about this, and from what i recall people said this about the whole unbanning of twin as to the eldrazi situation
>the eldrazi are honestly too much, even if they unbanned twin, that just means a few iterations of eldrazi would be put down, but it would still dominate the format, probably even more so then twin.
>if anything amulet bloom decks might have had a better chance of 'policing' these eldrazi decks since it was a quicker combo deck than twin in some cases, plus pretty hard to disrupt after the amulet was played, but eldrazi would still hold a pretty strong torch
>Eye of ugin is honestly the problem, there were countless times where it alone allowed for so many absurd plays in the current pro tour it honestly cant be ignored, like when turn 2 with a single temple and an eye, cast 2 Matter Reshapers cause of the cost reduction. And that's basically the norm of what the deck can do cause of EoU

Basically ban the fucking eye. It'd make the deck a lot more fair, despite it hurting tron just a bit. I mean temples also produce two, but a 2/1 on turn 1 isnt grounbreaking vs 4 2/1s on turn 1.
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>>45274194
That's the point idiot. Ancient tomb and all the sol lands are busted. Giving one that doesn't need to tap and costs no life is the problem
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>>45274179
Put it up on tapped out. I wanna goldfish that shit.
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The hero Modern needs.
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>>45274200

Thats a big mana cost
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>>45274258
for you
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>ban fast mana: the format
>give sol lands exclusively to one archetype

ANOTHER GREAT IDEA FROM WOTC!
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>>45274222
buts its restricted to eldrazi spells only, and u can only have 4, I mean, turn 1, if you have one, u get an eldrazi mimic, a 2/1 creature, crazy. Like u'd have to have them as ur first 2-3 lands for them to be broken, and even then, its just colorless mana, u cant do anything but play eldrazi spells for 'unfair' costs, while the tron lands, can get 7 mana turn 3 vs 3 temples getting 6 mana for JUST eldrazi, meanwhile the Eye not only does nearly the same, but gets better as the game goes along, and even feeds you more cards in the late game. Plus you don't even have to tap it for the mana so it combos even better with cards like urborg and such. Like having the eldrazi being a tier 1 deck isnt a bad thing as long as its not over oppressive.
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>>45274179
Interesting. Seems pretty slow though.

I guess the idea is starting with Booming your flagstones and their land to keep them slow, and then getting the Bust off a goblin deep dweller?
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Why are there posts on reddit blaming the twin ban for the current state of modern. Twin wouldn't do shit against this top 8. Also the answer is more bans, not unbanning more broken cards.
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>>45274204
Honestly Wizards fucking up has become a comedy staple in my life.
I can't wait to see what stupid shit they do next, hopefully involving the leaked SOI pack.
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http://archive.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/eventcoverage/ptber08/t8decks

The last time 6 copies of a deck made a top 8 at the same PT, the deck doing it was Elves that contained 4 Glimpse of Nature and 4 Jitte, and looked very much like its Legacy counterpart.

Also the last time 6 copies of a deck made a top 8, LSV was in that top 8 too.
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>>45274325
>the answer is more bans

The answer is to unban half the shit on the list.
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>>45274222
>>45274310
might have misread, what im trying to say is the temples are fine, the eyes need to gtfo.
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>>45274228
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/gobbogeddon/

beware of trap hands. if you played ernhamgeddon back in 96 it's essentially the same game plan. disrupt the early game if you can or ignore the board if you have a wrath, wrath if you have one, cast a fatty and armageddon. the goal is for the only permanents on the board to be your goblin and maybe a moon or crucible.
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>>45274354
Oh right good idea, make the format even faster and more degenerate with less diversity. Nice to see tg is equally retarded.
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>>45274354
The cards on the banlist couldn't stop the Memedrazi deck if they tried. Honestly this is a case where there MUST be a ban. Most likely Eye of Ugin.
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>people just immediately crying for a ban instead of giving the meta the chance to adjust
When did you realize you stopped thinking?
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>>45274364
>Unbanning cards reduces diversity and makes a format worse!
This fucking cuck.

>>45274374
There is NOTHING you can do about this deck.
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>>45274388
There are things. People are just getting tunnel vision and don't want to start adapting to a brand new deck
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>>45274372
Maybe not but it would make me happy.
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>mfw wotc decides that the card that needs to be banned is SSG

RIP in piss combo
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>>45274407
Turn two I'll play an Eldrazi Temple and Thought-Knot Seer. Oh is that a Big Game Hunter? Exile it.
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>mfw Wizards is turning into Konami
>Kill strong and beloved deck/archetype to buff and shill new weaker product
>After product flew off the stores, kill said deck to shill and buff the other new product
>Rinse and repeat every 3/6 months

Well I gotta admit, Konami went FAR ahead by recently killing a deck ONLY 2 weeks after it was released, because the new booster was completly sold out so they couldn't profit of it.

Are you guys prepared for Wizards turning Konami and the eventual morph of Magic into Yugioh?
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>>45274407
This.

>tfw madness is returning and the interplay with reality smasher is readily apparent
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>>45274388
Yes. The more disproportionately powerful cards you have the more the less powerful cards are pushed out of the format reducing diversity. I'm not sure how that is too difficult for you to understand that it would go over your head, and yet here we are.
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>>45274432
I already took your Thought Knot with Thoughtseize turn one.

Heh..nothing personnel..kid..
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>>45274432
Yeah, I remember people making the same argument about Thoughtseize and Clique.
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>>45274374
>>45274388
^^^^^ he's right u know
It plops down creatures as fast as aggro, but instead of just vulnerable hard hitting fags, they have upside, i.e. eldrazi mimic, matter reshaper, etc.
Turn 2 and 3 they can plop down Thoughtnot seers and reality smashers, both of which stop aggro and burn creatures in their tracks, not to mention avoid eidolon burns.
The creatures they put out like thoughtnot disrupt ur hand, so there goes ur combo piece, reality smahers wants u to discard a card to kill it, so fuck 1 for 1'ing, and matter reshaper lets u draw a card, or even gives u a free card if its 3 cmc or less right onto the field, and others bring along with them several creatures, like blight herder or drowner of hope, so going wide isn't viable either.
Combine that with some spot removal like dismember, bolt, etc, you got urself a deck that has removal, creatures pumping out faster than zoo, stronger than midrange, that fuck over controls strategy in the ass, and a middle finger to a lot of combo decks as well.
This is probably one of the most (too) well rounded decks i've ever seen in modern, jack of all trades. It needs a ban, no question about it.
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>>45274452
>If X number of cards enter the format, X number of cards get pushed out of the format :^(
Well no fucking shit Sherlock. Modern's problem is a completely fucked up imbalance of archetypes. By the way, "archetypes" doesn't mean "decks" as Wizards would have you believe; it means broad overarching strategies. Zoo is not an archetypes, it is a deck. Modern right now is nothing but aggro decks. Like, the entire top 16 of this shitty event was nothing but aggro decks. If cards on the ban list can help to make control a thing, then holy fucking shit unban them already.

Right now about 80% of the ban list could be unbanned and none of it would stop what's happening.
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>>45274473
Aw man, well i guess i'll just have to play 3 eldrazi mimics from my hand on turn 1, oh woe is me, oh sob, oh cry
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>>45274517
Right into Pyroclasm.
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>>45274517
Then a turn 2 Reality Smasher and swing for lethal ;^(
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>>45274492
This. It has the consistency of a midrange deck with the speed of a combo deck. It has 12 sol lands, cliques that cost 2 colorless to cast, 3 mana 5/5s with upside and 0 mana 2/1s that pretty much always attack for more.
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>>45274522
If Pyroclasm magically answered the Eldrazi deck, Tron wouldn't have been chewed up and spat out of the PT.
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>>45274541
It doesn't answer the deck. It answers the three mimics you ran out.
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>>45274560
>I NAMED A CARD THAT DEALS ENOUGH DAMAGE TO THE BOARD TO KILL A BUNCH OF X/1S
Nice job there. Really, you did great.

The last time a PT top 8 had 6 copies of the same deck, it was basically Legacy Elves running 4x Glimpse and 4x Jitte.
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Should I bother buying repacks if I just like collecting cards and opening packs? I just have some useless amazon bux left over.
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>>45274516
Oh man, just give me chrome mox, seathing song, rite of flame, and ponder. I'll fix your fucking format.
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>>45274584
You'd draw shit hand after shit hand, important cards would eat a Thoughtseize or Thought Nazi, and you'd go home crying about bad beats.
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>>45274584

Storm would still suck
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>>45274492
"It needs a ban"
t. combo player
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>>45274616
Perhaps you haven't seen the top 8 of the current PT. 9% of the field just took 75% of the top 8 slots. ~35 people brought Eldrazi, and 6 of them made the top 8.
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>>45274438
>Are you guys prepared for Wizards turning Konami and the eventual morph of Magic into Yugioh?
i'll just play dota or cs:go or something. nobody said i HAVE TO play magic cards. if it sucks i'll fuck off to something else and sell my decks for pocket money.
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>>45274575
You started the little game of one up, asshole. Do you cry this much about everything or just children's card games?
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>>45274083
More like Bitchfest Edition.
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>>45274679
I didn't start jack shit, I simply stated that there are no reasonable answers to a deck as big and fast as Eldrazi. Some other faggot linked Big Game Hunter as if it's going to stop a Legacy level deck.
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>>45274616
I play grixis, living end, naya zoo, and mardu midrange, TnN, just saying...
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>>45274407
Best discard a card too else my Reality Smasher ain't going nowhere, :P
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>>45274522
Pyroclasm my two matter reshapers I got out turn 2, see what happens.
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>>45274579
No
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>>45274751
Reality Smasher only cares for spells

>cast some removal on him
>discard Big G to get rid of your Thought Knot

that's the plan
>implying you still have Big G in hand after Thought Nazi
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>>45274751
Nah familiy, I don't think so.
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>>45274179
I would play at least 1 or 2 basic Mountains.
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>>45274751
>Path Smasher
>discard BGH
>get rid of two of your fatties for two mana
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if you dont ban eye how many bans do you have to make to fix the deck
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>>45274789
Problem with Smasher is, it already caved your face for 5 before you can do anything to it.
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We will save Modern
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>>45274789

Has this thing replaced Obliterator as the 'what the fuck were they thinking' creature?

At least Obliterator had a stupid mana requirement.
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>>45274890
the problem with the card is fast mana not the text
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>>45274890
No, because it's not broken in itself. The only reason it's so strong is because you get to play it for 2 to 3 mana cheaper due to the Eldrazi lands.
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>>45274890
Obliterator is just a pseudo unblockable 5/5 with pseudo pro red.
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>>45274884

Assuming you have a Cavern of Souls when they have Chalice out, then yeah maybe.
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>>45274884
Im not so sure, Anon. Chalice on 1 scares me alot.
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>Wizard will only ban one
>Eldrazi Temple or Eye of Ugin
What is your choice?
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>>45274923

Not like they're always on the play, and not like they'll always turn 1 land SSG into chalice for 1. You have Cavern to help you out, and once you get Heritage Druid/Elvish Archdruid out, not all your Elves cost 1 mana
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>>45274934
eye obviously, its stronger than workshop
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>>45274934
Eye of Ugin definitely. Also once that is gone there is no reason to ban the Temple anyway.
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>>45274923

Nice clean list.

When do you side in Leads? What do you do vs Tron with 4 Pyros?
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>>45274945
Hol up...
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>>45274944
Guess I buy Caverns right now before they spike higher due to Eldrawzzies.
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>>45274959
workshop taps for 3, eye taps for 8
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>Print a land that reduces the mana cost of a huge mana tribe by 2
>5 years later
>HEY GUYS HOW ABOUT WE PRINT SMALL CREATURES OF THAT TRIBAL TYPE, WHAT COULD GO WRONG
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>dont play eldrazi
congratulations. your deck can't possibly win.
>play eldrazi
congratulations. your investment is worthless next b&r update.
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>>45274958
Leads are flex slots. Was trying them vs. decks that 1v1 you alot (Thoughtseize.dec/Manaleak.dec). With this new colorless meta I dont have a fucking clue anymore.

Pyroclasm is actually rather easy to play around, though Leads also helped there.
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>>45274374

>Guys stop calling for an Eye of Ugin ban, we just need to build decks around it to have a chance at beating it.

>The first question a brewer had to ask is "can this beat Twin?" Too many decks weren't viable because they simply couldn't beat Twin, and thats why Twin needed to go.

Fuck people like you
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>>45274969
I've been using it wrong this whole time!
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>>45274934
>>45274945
>>45274955
For consideration.
Eye of Ugin
>can search for eldrazis
>is legendary
>is not a colorless source

Eldrazi Temple
>is a colorless source
>not a legendary
>can't search eldrazis
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>>45274995
>it's ok when Tron does it
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>>45274997
the search ability is irrelevant, the problem with the card is that it powers out several eldrazis and effectively taps for much more than 2
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>>45274997
I don't think the deck would really be broken if you took out just one of the two.
Eye is also played in Tron and I hate Tron so therefore we should ban Eye of Ugin. I am the hero we need to save modern, please hire me WotC.
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>>45275023
no. the deck is still completely fucking busted with just eye. the deck barely needs temple, its just very good.
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>>45275023
The question is would it be playable.
Temple still allows for turn 2 TKS without it being too frequent. Maybe they would start splashing green for Ancient Stirrings
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>>45274992

So what do you side vs Tron?

-2 Chord
+2 Lead?
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>>45275009
>>45275023
If they ban out Eye of Ugin, the degenerate shit we seen is still possible with 2 Eldrazi Temple opening hand.
On the other hand, banning Eldrazi Temple made it very unlikely for the deck to ever power out TKS on t2.
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seriosuly what the fuck is wrong wiht this thread? does your brain work with memes? is your only possible thought overreacting to everything? This eldrazi deck is busted but it's not like we are all doomed forever, calm down people will adapt and then a ban will come. No need to cry nor create stupid consiparition theories. No need to spam the thread and shout how busted eldrazi is to whatever is asked in the thread no matter how unrelated
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>>45275071
Eldrazi just ripped a PT apart so of course people will overreact.
I will say people asking for emergency bans are hilarious though
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>and you niggers thought I was bad
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>>45275071
I bet WotC pays you a large sum to come here and convince us that they don't have a grand masterplan to force us to buy packs from the newest sets and use that money to take over the world. WHAT UP SHEEPLE!
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>>45275085
>WHAT UP SHEEPLE
Not much how about you
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>>45275071
are you retarded or something, how do you expect people not to be talking about something so major and recent

like what kind of autism is it that makes you think that people shouldn't be talking about it
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>>45275071
The problem is that you don't have any great way to fight eldrazi decks. They are too fast for countermagic, land destruction or discard, and many of their cards already have built in protection from 1 for 1 removal. Board wipes are also pretty useless since they can very easily recover.

You would need to go pretty esoteric in order to beat eldrazi, either by tapping them down, applying a prison effect or trying to loam+ghost quarter them. And these strategies outright suck against the rest of the meta.
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>>45275103
i did not say eldrazi ar not a problem, but people are overeacting like with everything in this general
>>45275092
in the last thread there was a guy trying to get tips for a new deck to build and people spammed eldrazi onto him absolutely randomly, when he specifically asked for a mindgames deck, another one asked for other tips and people answered that he would get rekt by eldrazi either way. I didn't say it's wrong to talk about it, but damn
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>>45275103
probably the best way to beat eldrazi is prison, but not slow ld prison, something more like ensnaring bridge or worship that you can hopefully develop by turn 3

you need something that answers large numbers of 4/4 or larger creatures by turns 2-3
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>>45275164
One thing that stood out to me is that none of the Eldrazi list ran any answers to hard locks like Ensnaring Bridge or assorted enchantments.
Ratchet Bomb comes close but it's slow and can be easily responded to in turn
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>>45275178
not maindeck but it gets hit by all their sideboard slots for affinity, and they have heaps of sideboard since there are so few bad matchups
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>>45274789
and my path becomes a bloodbraid elf.
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>>45274424
It has always been a problem, just never *quite* enough of a problem for Wizards to actually bother to do something about it. But this pro tour really showed how awful having a lotus petal effect in the format is. It was in the recently deceased Amulet Bloom deck. It's in Goryo's Vengeance. It's in Eldrazi. It's in damn near every single suspect deck. Even in otherwise fair decks, it still enables things like turn 2 blood moon which end games immediately. If you watched coverage and saw the number of times it enabled some swingy degenerate play, you'd have to agree with me. Unless you like modern being swingy and degenerate, in which case, fuck you.


I agree with the philosophy of unbanning to rectify bad metagames instead of draconianly and hastily banning everything. However sometimes broken cards come along which are so strong that to metagame against them warps the format into something stupid. Treasure Cruise. Mental Misstep. Skullclamp. And now with all these 2-5cmc eldrazi, eye of ugin and eldrazi temple are officially broken to the level where they absolutely destroyed the pro tour. Mercilessly. (In combo with another card that bypasses normal mana limits, SSG...)


Ban: Eldrazi Temple, Simian Spirit Guide

Unban: Ancestral Vision, Bloodbraid Elf, Sword of the Meek

Next January, potentially unban SFM if fair decks still suck.
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>>45275241
It would be amazing to see more "if you would discard X" effects being played in response to Eldrazi.
But I'm pretty sure people will just keep complaining instead
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>>45274916
>>45274890

Obliterator is also better defensively.
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RW STAX PILLOWFORT VARIANTS IS THE SAVIOR OF MODERN YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

>Runed Halo naming Thought-Knot Seer
>Sphere of Safety and Ghostly Prison holding down the fort
>Nevermore naming Reality Smasher
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>>45275260
I dont understand why you would play cuckatrice over xmage
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>>45275254
Trouble is unless you are running a large number of them they can just pick something else and laugh at your overcosted creatures. There are few efficient cards with that text so its hard to run enough to make them useful vs non liliana/kommand style of discard.
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>>45275262
post a list
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>>45275046
- 1 Mystic
- 1 Llanowar
- 2 Elite

+ 2 Leads
+ 2 Rec. Sage
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>>45274934
Chalice of the Void.
Without that shit Burn, Infect and Elves actually stand a chance to push the deck down to T1 stead of T0.
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>>45275262
Trouble is it would be easy for them to just put 4 enchantment hate in the board if it did become a viable way of stopping them, and then it wouldn't be anymore
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>>45274969
Eye doesn't even tap.
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>>45275260
>>45275270
I don't understand what's wrong with his resolution
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>>45275252
i don't agree with you just because i like rituals and ssg is the only decent one we have, i think they are part of magic and i want to keep them. ssg is a card that is inherently very explosive, but it makes grat swings from too good to decent, i don't think it's a problem inherently, but it is definitely like "super enabler" which shows that there is something wrong with the deck, if something is a bit too good ssg might push him to broken because of those explosive draws that happen sometimes,but i think it's random enough that it's not a problem
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>>45275254
If feel like my GW bears brews just got better.
It's great to fuck over that fat guy playing jund (or jund with white instead of red) anyways.

Sometimes I don't even know what people are playing but Arbitor and thalia just fucks em up anyways.
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>>45275283

>-2 Dwynens Elite

I've been doing it wrong the whole time. Now that I think about it, that's completely logical.
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>>45275270
idk, just tried cockatrice first and never had a reason to try xmage? also from like the 1 screenshot i've seen of xmage, the ui looks much uglier

>>45275296
it's a replay and i'm on a 5-year-old laptop? dunno
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How are you enjoying blinkmoth nexus spike guys?
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>>45275318
xmage has rules enforcement.
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>>45275301
I think if you're looking for that kind of "old school" magic, vintage and legacy are the formats for you. Fast mana is inherently broken and can only really be contained when everyone is doing it, and with free counterspells.
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>>45275322
damn, didn't know that, that's nice, but is it slower because of that?
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>>45275262
Paraselene is a thing and they have sideboard pace to spare.
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>>45275325
>Force of Will
>Free

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>45275328
Honestly not having to deal with retards not knowing or wilfully ignoring the rules is worth it
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>>45275275
Yeah it's for fucking over lilly. But it will also work with reality smasher. I'm not a super competitive player but everytime I can recall I played against jund type decks, both in modern and in inn/ravnica standard the discard to battle has came up and it's usually a big blow out.
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>>45275328
its slower and laggier but it has rules and supports actual game modes like draft and sealed

I have no idea why anybody would play cockatrice, xmage is strictly better
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>>45275278
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=93853
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>>45275340
When people say free, they mean it as an abbreviation for free mana cost
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>>45275289

Most of the decks are Colorless or off-enchantment destruction colors. They'd have to splash a color and ruin their finely tuned engine to beat prison
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>>45275346
There was some guy a few weeks ago arguing that Xmage takes less skill because you don't have to think about your triggers
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>>45275325
legacy would probably be better for me , but i really think that having some explosive draws that sometimes mean you will win is not such a horrible thing. Yes it is bad to lose without having played, but very often the game is decided on draw anyway, this is just a more glaring way of winning on the draw. Again SSG is very good and it makes some powerful deck have those times where you don't even get to play,but it's not the problem here, it just makes the problem worse
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>>45275336

They have to splash white for it
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Just lost to the deck on Xmage. I was using RUG Delver. Turn two spreading seas, turn 3 blood moon. Still lost. The ass pain is real.
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>>45275365
I mean hes not wrong, its just not a relevant point
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>>45275353

That is a very spicy list. Outdated sure, but still spicy
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>>45275375
Yep, those cards just don't do anything to stop them
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>>45275346
>>45275344
heh, not having to argue is pretty nice,but i like playing fast and retards don't come along that often, will try xmage and see how much the rule enforcement slows the game down
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>>45275252
>was in the recently deceased Amulet Bloom deck
Not in most lists, the only decent reason to run spirit guide in bloom was if you palmed your opening hands, terrible otherwise.
>It's in Goryo's Vengeance.
Which cheats out a better version of yawgamoth's bargain into play but a worse petal is broken?
>It's in damn near every single suspect deck.
Except infect affinity and tron (vengeance is not a suspect deck yet either)...
>>45275325
>Fast mana is inherently broken
In comparison to what? If fast mana makes for a good meta game it isn't broken and all of the metas with fast mana have been better than modern has been for the last 2 years.
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>>45275375
8 MISHRA'S WORKSHOPS

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>>45275386
the games themselves play out quicker, the slow part is the gui itself unless your pc is beastly
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>>45275375
serves you for not playing superior WUR delver
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>>45275393
4 Mishra's Workshops and 4 Ancient Tombs with no life loss*
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>>45275353

What a bitch deck to fight. Fucking wow I'd hate to be fighting against that even if it does die to enchantment removal if it doesn't name it with Nevermore first
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>>45275413
workshop doesnt cast 4 eldrazi mimics on turn 1
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>>45275428
That doesn't make Eye of Ugin into Workshop
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>>45275322
rules shmules


i saw a comment that most of the pt made their sideboards with affinity, infect and burn in mind, and were caught off guard by eldrazi boardwise. does that seem plausible, or even relevant given the difficulty in finding cards to answer these decks?
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>>45275388
>trying to deny fast mana is broken

Black Lotus
Mox
All rituals
Lotus Petal
Lion's Eye Diamond

Bypassing normal mana limits is the most powerful thing you can do in magic, and it always has been

Goryo's vengeance should be banned too desu, putting emrakul or griselbrand into play WITH HASTE should cost at least 4 mana (see unburial rites for a fair but powerful reanimation spell). Fatties are never the problem, because when cast for their actual mana costs, they're perfectly fine. What's always broken is BYPASSING MANA LIMITS, which cards like simian spirit guide, goryo's vengeance, rituals, lotus petal, and eldrazi temple/eye of ugin all do.

To get a mana advantage you should have to play cards that can be interacted with like birds of paradise, noble hierarch, farseek, etc. Simian Spirit Guide is degenerate as fuck and just makes for miserable games where a combo player does something absurdly powerful before the other guy even gets time to use discard, hate permanents, or counterspells to stop it
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>>45274522
Pyroclasm almost does shit against the eldrazi, it misses on the bigger creatures entirely, it only really hits, Mimics and Stranglers, it can hit endless one sometimes, but thats only if they paid less than 3 to cast it, and Matter Reshaper, but that doesnt really count cause it literally replaces itself, not to mention the strangler probably already did its job of removing ur creature anyway.
>>45274407
and again, in reverse, also only hits a few creatures, the Smasher and TKS, and others depending on build, one of which can remove the BGH before it even has a chance to work, and the others not mentioned leaving behind tokens for u to deal with as well. 2 for 1 isnt really 2 for 1 when they still have board presence.
>>45275241
>>45275254
And these guys only work on discard, TKS exiles, and the only other one to really discard is Smaher, meanwhile ur dealing with Reshaper, Mimics, Endless Ones, Stranglers, Drowners, and Scions and so forth,

And thats why its a really strong deck, its got a diverse selection of creatures, most of which have upside effects which make it hard to 1 for 1 and most of the time 2 for 1, despite ur efforts. That and combined with the fact that it can splash in almost any color to suit its meta and still be efficient as shit makes for an extremely strong competitor.
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>>45275441
Well 4x Chalice in the mainboard is definitely a tech choice for Affinity, Burn and Infect, the card is near useless against every other deck
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>>45275441
there just arent any real answers to the strategy, ld is too slow and doesnt stop the tide of creatures, wipes are either too slow for the big ones or too small for the small ones, they also play hand disruption and even counterspells

you want to race them which is a deck choice not a sb choice
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Modern is so disgusting, full of casual trash players. Wahhh the Eldrazi are killing me because they banned the broken decks in the format.

You want to know how to fix Modern? You delete it and go back to extended so control decks can actually police the format and Aggro isn't slaughtered by Midrange and Combo.

New cards shouldn't have a massive impact on a non Standard format every freakin set.
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>>45275457
yeah legacy + extended + standard is better than legacy + badlegacy + standard

modern will never have the kind of answers that are needed to keep the format in check because wizards doesnt print the kinds of cards that glue legacy together anymore, namely brainstorm and counterspells

extended was the perfect format. mix of rotation and a large card pool which allows actual brewing because the format is large and also changing
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>>45275482
Right now Extended would contain Deathrite Shaman + Fetchlands + Shocklands, Voice of Resurgence, Anafenza, Meme Rhino, and a slew of other stupid goodstuff cards in Abzan colours. And, just like standard right now, would contain NO COUNTER MAGIC.
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>>45275504
maybe google the phrase "mtg banlist explained"
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>>45275428
Eye of ugin doesn't cast Trinisphere on turn 1.
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>>45275322
IRL doesn't have rules enforcement.
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>>45275525
What's better on turn 1: Trinisphere, or a pair of effective 4/4 or 5/5s?
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>>45275531
Hi
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>>45275482
This is stupid, if you need to play blue in a format to stand a chance since the only thing that works is free counterspells, that is a broken format.
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>>45275537
Trinisphere on the play would stop you from playing any Mimics t1, so I'm gonna go with Trinisphere
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>>45275543
If you miss a trigger, you fucking miss it. You're not babied by the judges.
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>>45275537
Trinisphere.
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>>45275453
>Black Lotus, Mox
kek, might as well insist that drawing is broken because of recall.
>All rituals
Would you look at that 'unplayable in any deck but storm and some variations of reanimator' BROKEN! they don't even see play in pauper.
>Lotus Petal
Are you haveing a fucking giggle?
>Lion's Eye Diamond
OK so dark depths is an unacceptable card because it was good with cards that were printed several years after it was printed? The card was unplayable for years and still isn't broken in legacy.
>Fatties are never the problem, because when cast for their actual mana costs, they're perfectly fine.
>Cheat spells are never the problem, because when you don't have retardely large fatties they're perfectly fine
>What's always broken is BYPASSING MANA LIMITS
What is the point of having grizel B without having cheat cards? It won't see play without cheat effects so it might as well just be banned in the first place?
You think that you're actually saying something by repeating 'BYPASSING MANA LIMITS' but you're just spouting one side of a tautology, cards are played through costs, if a card has too big of an effect for too little mana then it becomes OP, you can focus on either the big effect or the mana cost, you choose to focus on the mana cost because modern players have been brainwashed into thinking fast mana=OP.
>Cards should be able to be interacted with
Somewhat OK in theory, but how do you interact with lightning bolt with anything but blue? No decks interact with everything, you're just circularly arguing for the entire game to be about creatures because every color has creature interaction (farseek would also be removed from that list).
>There's nothing to interact with
Bullshit, you don't play a deck that can interact with is, because you can win enough of your games without interaction, there are enough answers in modern, they just aren't playable.
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>>45275564
As always, it only deals with half the deck. And it still leaves huge bodies on the board.
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So I'm a dredgevine and living end player looking for something more competitive. How's ad naseum these days?
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i present to you the anti eldrazi tech, remember to buy your copies before the spike
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>>45275585
It's not Eldrazi.
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The biggest issue with the Eldrazi decks is that the OGW eldrazi are very efficient creatures with a CMC for Standard in mind.

Eye of Ugin let's them cast a 2/1 for free. It lets,them cast a 3/2 that replaces itself for 1 diamond mana. You cast a 4/4 that lets you see their hand and strip an answer for 2. You cast a 5/5 trample and haste guy with built-in protection for 3.

Yes, you need diamond mana, but basically 3/4 of their mana base taps for said mana so it really isn't an issue. If it was just the Eldrazi Temple the deck would be pretty balanced all things considered. At worst, they'd get their 5/5 out on turn 3, which lets other decks build a board presence or cast a mana leak or similar counterspell, and lets LD be a viable strategy against the deck.

Ban the Eye, give more tools to other colors by unbanning stuff (assuming you can print enough supply to meet the demand for the recently unbanned cards).
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>>45275585
I suggest sticking with Living End for the moment, it's very good against Eldrazi
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>>45275593
eldrazi mimic isnt a 2/1 its a 5/5
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>>45275457
If you unbanned every single blue card in the Modern banlist, Control would still not exist.
If you also reprinted Counterspell, Control would still not exist.
It has been tried in that "every card with modern frame is legal" subformat. And it turns out the only reason Miracles works in Legacy is the extremely limited mana costs they play. As soon as niggers start playing 4-5 drops and delve shit, it loses because even with counterspell, terminus, top, swords, force and council's judgment, threat decks beat answer decks.

Control is viable in Standard because critical Cancel redundancy beats the very few meaningful threats in the format, not because the archetype is good.
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>>45275593
>1 diamond mana
It's colorless mana. Use the proper terminology.
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>>45275585
Stop shilling your failed spec and put on a trip so I can filter your posts.
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>>45275618
>not calling R fire mana
>not calling U tear mana
>not calling W sun mana
>not calling G tree mana
>not calling B skull mana
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>>45275585
ad nauseum is like 2 tiers worse than living end
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>>45275595
can I keep running the list from TCC or do I need to change things around, aside form adjusting to my meta I mean.
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>>45275595
Don't worry, SOI has just the right thing for your deck.
It's called Invasive Surgery.
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>>45275599
Typing on a tablet keypad is slow enough as-is. My overall point was that the OGW eldrazi were costed with Standard in mind, not Modern. And WotC has been on a "creatures with relevant/powerful abilities" kick since Bloodbraid Elf. It's just gotten to the point where now the moment a new set drops we look at the strongest effects for the lowest cost and if it'll fly in Modern.

Nearly every set from Alara onward has had at least 1 creature affect Modern in some way.
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>>45275649
That's a good thing though
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>>45275634
mean I kept reading tear as tear in your post
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Why isn't wizards printing a Modern Masters ever year? They don't make money on singles sales, and the trend is a customer gets tired of Standard and moves on to a new format anyways.

Do they hate customers? Why won't they make it easier and more lucrative to buy already printed cards so that they can make an even bigger profit and maintain their older customer base?

Prices are inflating like crazy and it will only get worse unless they do something. This isn't like vintage where the cards are oldie relics that are worth thousands of dollars these are cards that are commonly used and built into tournament decks like crazy.

Do they think people can ride the standard train forever? That their players don't grow and just cash out and never come back?

This is pants on head retarded and I would fire everyone responsible for this mess if I was hemorrhaging potential profit like WOC is right now. Supply and demand jesus christ.
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>>45275708
You could e-mail them your thoughts instead of complaining about it on 4chan
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>>45275455
the point of the comment was suggesting the overwhelming dominance of eldrazi was due in part to people not devoting sb slots for it, which seems to probably be irrelevant because as >>45275456 and many others have said, there's not much you can do.


how do you all think 8rack would be against new eldrazi? they dump their hand faster than ever and have few ways to deal with bridge. Plus now that they've dropped relics and maps, wrench mind is better
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>>45275734
8 rack seems awful, if you dont draw your bridge you cant possibly win, and then they have all this artifact hate in their sideboard along with shit like chalice and ratchet bomb
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>>45275734
Well it's a mixture of two things:
1) the deck is actually strong
2) nobody who wasn't playing it prepared against it
Reason 2 is also the reason why calling for a ban is unreasonable at the moment.
I for one would like to see how the meta changes
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>>45275649
Not only Modern.
>Tarmogoyf
>Clique
>Knight of the Reliquary
>Hierarch
>Guide
>Iona
>Emrakul
>Glistener Elf
>Blighted Agent
>Thalia
>Griselbrand
>Tiago
>Delver
>Deathrite
>Eidolon of the Great Revel
>Monastery Swiftspear
>Monastery Mentor
>Thought-Knot Seer
>Shardless Agent
>True-Name Nemesis
>Containment Priest

MaRo's creature fetishism has been pushing Legacy's shit in these past 10 years.
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>>45275564
Oh no, now my Eldrazi Mimics are just 2/1s for 0 :^(
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G/W Hatebears shits on Eldrazi

think about it

>Path
>Loxodon Smiter to shit on Smashers ability
>Gaddock

Thalia, Arbiter, Ghost Quarter are even more gravy

I tell you, G/W Hatebears is Eldrazis worst MU

And Chalice does shit against it
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>>45275774
Maybe you should read Gaddock Teeg.
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>>45275780
What are you talking about? It stops Eldrazi Conscription
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>>45275774
you dont understand how explosive the deck is in the first few turns, hatebears has no answer and gets beat down
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>>45275780
it's noncreature, right?
okay, my bad
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>>45275774
If the decks that beat Eldrazi can't also have a good matchup against >50% of the rest of the field, then it means nothing, since it would still be correct to play Eldrazi and beat everyone except (insert anti-eldrazi deck here)

If I remember correctly, when Caw-Blade first emerged people did play anti-CB decks, but they only beat CB and lost to Valakut and everything else, so people just played Caw-Blade instead
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>>45275708
I'm sure that most wizards employees know more about business than a raging basement dweller.
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>>45275734
>8Rack
Chalice
At
One

8Rack would actually be the deck's bane if Chalice wasn't a thing. Bridge, Smallpox-Extirpate and Pack Rat are all things you don't want to face when your plan is swarming big dudes.
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>>45275800
not to mention even if you tailor your deck against eldrazi its not even clear that you can be more than like 60-40 because of the retarded draws the deck has
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>>45275733
To who? It's a faceless organization that HAS no legit contact. Maybe Hasbro but I doubt they would get more than a slap on the wrist.

It's frustrating to see this format die because it has so much potential for being another gigantic source of income like standard is.
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>>45275708
if you read exit reviews from past wotc employees or anonymous shit like glassdoor you see that they have some major bureaucracy and seniority issues with both the department itself and also corporate

they are really fucking gridlocked, same kind of reasons modo is shit and always will be shit
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>>45275807
are you fucking kidding me? the deck generates tons of 1/1 chaff if it wants to. edicts are awful. it also operates just fine on low land counts.
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>>45275615
>has been tried in that "every card with modern frame is legal" subformat. And it turns out the only reason Miracles works in Legacy is the extremely limited mana costs they play.
The fuck are you on about? Stoneblade has won several no ban list tournies and control is viable in no ban list modern.
>Control is viable in Standard because critical Cancel redundancy beats the very few meaningful threats in the format, not because the archetype is good.
Can this meme please fucking die already? Control was good for over a fucking decade of magic, it wasn't always a secretly bad archetype or some bullshit.
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>>45275802
It doesn't take a masters in marketing and finance to see that they aren't doing what sells, the market is growing and they aren't increasing production to deal with it.
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>>45275811
It's still going to do more than posting about it here
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>>45275802
>big companies never make mistakes
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so which eldrazi deck is actually the best

the chalice one or the ur one
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>>45275908
UR
a.k
BfZ draft deck eldrazi
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>>45275924
hes right though
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>>45275931
I'll have you know it took a lot of balls and skill to go Eye, Mimic, Chalice on 0 on turn 1
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>>45275915
yeah I think I like ur more too, also the fact that you get to play stubborn denial and hurkyls recall in board is very strong
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>>45275071
Autism
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Messing around with friends, testing shit out and Bant TurboFog with 20 fogs and new Nissa seems to be pretty good against Eldrazi, Zoo and Infect, while also seeming favorable against Burn, especially post board.

Gets absolutely shit on by fair UR and GBx decks though. Could this be the aggressive cancer that kills the other cancer?
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>>45275980
List please
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>>45274884

I play Elf variations a lot, curio combo, devotion, collected, belcher yadda yadda. I love elves. But elves are never gonna be better than tier 2 decks at best in modern for many reasons.

One of them being that you can't do shit to a Chalice turn 1. And chalice wasn't a thing in modern until memedrazi.
At least in legacy you can force of will it, in modern elf you just can't do shit about it. And chalice 1 mana is game over for any Elf build.
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I'm surprised the spikes only touched the Standard shit and Eye and Chalice. Can't play the deck without Temple and Urborg.
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>>45276097
Temple got 3 prints, 1 of which at uncommon.
Urborg also got 3 I believe
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>>45275980
What about affinity
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>>45276081

You have Cavern of Souls. They also can't always be on the play, nor can they consistently play their shit turn 1. You only need to resolve 1 Heritage Druid or 1 dork into Archdruid, and you can drop all your Visionaries, Elites and cheat your way into CoCo-ing into Ezuris and Shaman of the Packs.

The best part is you don't even need to enter combat to beat them
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Woah guys, I don't get why you're giving Wizards of the Coast™ such criticism.

You guy should instead focus on bulding fantastic new decks to counter the new exciting Eldrazi® decks!

I'm quiet sure we'll also see brand new fantastic and exciting card effects in the next expansion Shadows over Innistrad®. Vampires and Angels are so exciting!

So come on guys, keep on building decks!
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>>45276188
I read that with MaRo's lisp
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Ban chalice
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>>45276126
Currently testing the match up now and it seems pretty good, if you untap turn 4 (turn 3 on a good affinty draw) with a dictate/mine up, you seem to win 100% of the time from that point on. Things get hairier without mine/dictate but it is not a bad match up.

Iwill post list in a bit after I make some adjustments
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>>45276272
on what planet is Chalice a Problem?
Against Affinity Stony is better
Against Infect Spellskite is better
Against Burn/Zoo it is awesome but they have Revelry and Smash

Chalice is fine, always was
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>>45276128

-Yeah because with all of their hand removal you sure as hell can easily put on your battlefield your 3 elves for heritage.
-And like, their mass and spot creatures removal are non existent, they're not playing Ratchet bomb or dismember or gutshot post-SB.


They have too many answers, Elves are non interractive decks, very creature dependant.

I'm not saying you can't win. I'm saying Eldrazi rapes you in most of the time.

I love elves. Elves are fun. Elves are what I build most of my crazy homebrews around. I was playing CoCo elves before it was even a thing.

But elves in modern, with the current card pool, the current ban list will never be better than a tier 2 deck, they're too easily disrupted, are too creature dependant, with creatures easily mass removable, etc.
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>>45276295
That's why it's restricted in Legacy uh
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>>45276393
Restricted in Vintage you mean.
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>>45276408
Yeah whatever nerd you get my meaning
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>>45276420
No you have to be more clear on the subject, Since not everyone is stupid like you.
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>>45275756
>>45275807
idk, i feel like your chance of immediately ripping chalice are greater than their chance of immediately landing chalice. They need a guide and the artifact, whereas you only need 1 of like 8 discard spells, and they realllly don't want to mulligan. As >>45275832 said, tokens are problematic.
i just feel like black control might stand a chance because of fast discard, removal, and damnation. also, as mentioned before, obliterator is great against a small field of big creatures

>>45275763
makes sense. i too am curious to see how things play out


look at this
>http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/ptogw/pro-tour-oath-of-the-gatewatch-modern-metagame-breakdown-2016-02-05

2 loam decks
also,
>possibility storm combo
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>painter's servant shuts down the Eldrazi lands
GET YOUR PLAYSET NOW BOYS
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>>45276097
Urborg has been getting steady rises for the past few days. It's not impossible that it will explode in the following weeks instead of today. But today is still very possible.
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>>45276435

I'm really interested at the Elves, Loam Pox and Jeskai Ascendancy lists
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>"He's playing colourless Eldrazi."
>"And it's packed full of Oath of the Gatewatch cards."

That second sentence seems to sum this PT up nicely.
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>>45276188
I'm actually hoping for something playable that makes Vampire tokens

I'm tired of using her as soldier tokens
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>>45276513

>tfw I am actually rooting for Affinity

I mean really
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Everyone at the cardshop hates eldrazi now. I dont even have eye of ugin, just eldrazi temples. No chalice either.

At least I shouldn't have to worry about inkmoth nexus getting banned if I cash out and start playing infect.
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>>45274997
>eldrazi temple
>colorless source

Wait, so now every card that used to produce generic mana can pay for <> ?
Damn, and I was avoiding all those new cards because I thought I couldn't put them in play.
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lets go affinity
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>>45276597
No card has ever produced generic mana.
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>>45276597
<> just means you HAVE to use colorless mana as part of the cost.
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Three Thought nazi's wow nice game
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>Matches already ending
May as well make rounds 30 minutes at this point.
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Eldrazi wins the temp aggro game against Affinity

gee, what a suprise

seems like that ugly fuck LSV will get another success now, that he waited long enough for another broken deck to emerge

good for him
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>>45276650
dat topdeck Smasher
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>These topdecks by LSV
SKILL
L
I
L
L
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Are you allowed to put cards from your sideboard in the main G1 if you know what deck you're going up against?
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>>45276609
>>45276544
I would take memedrazi winning over Pascal winning any day of the week.
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>Drowner
>Dr Owner
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>>45276650
>namecalling one of MTG's most relevant pro's ever

bruh.
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>>45276674
Nope.
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>Sky Spawner
>Key Card
>In Constructed
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>>45276682
word

but I have to say it is hard to tell who I dislike more, LSV or Maynard
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>>45276695
>sucking this much dick
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>>45276698
>tfw I was running BG Eldrazi in my testing and came to the same conclusion that Scion Summoner was a good card
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Will this even be worth watching if both affinity decks lose?
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>LSV crushing it
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>>45276776
>he doesn't want to see Eldrazi mirror for the 50th time
What, you don't like competitive diversity?
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>>45276795
>smashing it
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>Urkel's Recall
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>>45274364
>less diversity than 8 colorless aggro decks in the top 8

NICE
ME_____M__________E________
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Reminder to buy Dismembers as they will spike like crazy
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>>45276825
>Artifacts

Urkel pls
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>>45276795
all it took was having a broken deck where winning is trivial and up to luck in the mirror.
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>Dismember
>Force of Kill

Fucking kek
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>>45276863

LSV also played Glimpse Elves in the Top 8 of the PT that year.

>Captcha: Mountains
>There are no Mountains here
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>Drowner of Hope
>Fatty that spawns 2 1/1s
>Dr. Owner

Hearthstone, in my Magic?
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>>45276882
Stop asking questions
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Did he just say manland?

I DEMAND an official apology from Wizards right now.
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>>45276917
Should have used the official term thugland
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what a massive punt from shuhei
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>>45276695
>defending a sjw
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>>45276917
>Thugs 'n' Bugs
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>>45276943
all communities of betas are inevitably taken over by sjws, betas are always obsessed with being polite and not offending people, following social norms etc, making people upset terrifies betas
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So Jund and Abzan are pretty much dead so long as Eldrazi remains in the format, right? Because trying to wear down that deck through attrition is just impossible.
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>>45276979
Yeah they are some pussyfaggots unlike us cool guys here at 4chan.
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>Ctrl F "ban"
>52 results

Shit thread, and you need to get good.
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Last time a deck had 6 decks in a single PT top 8, LSV won the PT. The deck was Elves.
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>>45276998
sarcasm is the humor of a weak mind, the humor of the passive aggressive, of women and children
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i want to fuck that lady judge behind pascal
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>>45277002
Put a space after it and it drops to 21 including your post you fucking dolt.
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So which do you guys prefer or feel is stronger.

UR Eldrazi or Colorless Eldrazi?
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>>45276943
>MUH ESS JAY DUBYUS
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>>45277020
Colourless is better, but UR is better in the mirror.

Falco beats Fox. Fox beats everything else.
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This Maynard guy is starting to tick me off. First he tries to cheat his way into top 8, now he's clearly slowplaying.
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>>45277034
slowplaying only exists if you arent a mtg celebrity
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>>45277023
Feel the bern, eh?
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>>45277030
>People want to justify Fox only in MTG

Time to move on to a different game
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>>45277034
There's no time limit on these rounds.
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>>45277034
Judges tend to be more lenient on slow play when there are no time limits. There's no impetus on the players to play quickly and possibly make bad moves to avoid a draw.
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>>45277046
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>>45277053
Nothing in my post even implied that. I'd much rather all archetypes in Modern (aggro, control, combo, everything between) were competitive.
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>>45277002

Totally, every single player on the Pro Tour not playing Draftdrazi or Affinity should just get learn the game and get some experience.

Silly baddies, playing cards that Wizards isn't selling. They should just purchase more Oath of the Gatewatch products at their local retailer.
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>>45277034
>slowplay as affinity
I don't fucking get it. LSV is tapped out and can't block. Just play your cards and turn your shit sideways.
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>>45277041
Regardless, the longer i'm watching, the more I find myself wishing he would choke on a foil 'goyf.
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>>45277065
That's right, these top decks are absolutely STUFFED with brand new cards from Oath of the Gatewatch™!
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NO YOU FUCKING IDIOTS HE CHOOSES NOT TO ETB THE MIMICS BECAUSE THE SMASHER WAS A 0/0

MY GOD
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>>45277066
You need a plan. The goal is to find a way to sneak a threat out of Gut Shot range. The solution was to force a Ravager + Inkmoth trade before the modular trigger so Pest can get the counters.

Line of play is not obvious at all. Sequencing it was the tricky part that needed thinking.
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>unban twin, sword, mystic, ban temple, eye of ugin restricted
Format fixed?
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You know what would be a funny solution to Eldrazi?

Reinstate the old legendary rule
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>>45277108
lol
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>>45277011
How's that fedora of your's treating you?
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>>45277112
Keep going with the unbans. There's a metric fuck ton of cards that shouldn't be on there. Dread Return, Jace, and Visions for fucking starters.
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The fuck? Nothing says that mimic continues to change like the creature it mimics.
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>>45275453
>ITT: Babies who don't play legacy
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>>45277125
fedora is the humor of a weak mind, the humor of the passive aggressive, of women and children
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>>45277112

Spotted the Tron player
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>>45277125
I'm not the guy the that you are talking to, but are you sure you're not on the wrong website? Redditor.
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>>45277119
>Everyone still plays Eldrazi, but mirror matchups are just who wins the coin flip

Lin Sivvi please go
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>>45277111
Sure, fine. But there's also a time where you just have to take a line and force the opponent to just have an answer. These matches tend to lead to the latter situation more often then the first.

Thus. Slowplaying.
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>>45277125
le epic anybody who disagrees is le fedora meme
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>>45277147
Gatherer
Use the new creature’s power and toughness at the time the ability resolves to determine the base power and toughness of Eldrazi Mimic. If that creature is no longer on the battlefield at that time, use its power and toughness when it left the battlefield. (Keep in mind that those values may be negative, for example if a spell like Spatial Contortion giving it +3/-3 is what caused it to leave the battlefield.)

>>45277108
is right
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>>45277154
Fedora, pls, you can do better than that.
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So, just out of curiosity.

What answers does your deck have for the Eldrazi deck post-sideboard?

For me its probably Paths and Deflecting Palms for the creatures, and Destructive Revelry for Chalices.
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>>45277157
Not THAT old
The one that existed post-Masques to M15
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>>45277147
He cast Dismember in response to the Mimic triggers / Smasher ETB, so it resolved first. Mimics would’ve been 1/1.
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>>45277146
Jace is too powerful if/when the format slows down from turn 2 unboltable haste beaters. Dread Return might be alright since you can't play Oops, Visions seems fair since Cascade outside LE isn't a thing.
>>45277153
And? The deck is trash in the current meta. I've had to pollute my side with a set of Melira, Gut Shots, Feed the Clan, Swagtusk and just pray I dodge solitaire combo like AN and Grishoalbrand.
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>>45277177
Mimics would have been dead you moron
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>>45277175
>Everyone still plays Eldrazi, but mirror matchups are just who wins the coin flip and dumps three mimics on turn 1
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>>45277112
Unban: Twin, Pod, Jace, AV, BBE, SotM, SFM
Ban: Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi Temple

Format fixed
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>>45277196
Ah, you’re right of course. Thought he needed Dismember + Gutshot, but he was just discarding Gutshot to Smasher. Anyways.
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unban the artifact lands so the meta is closer to 50-50 memeffinity-memedrazi
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>>45277259
Don't forget Force of Will ;^)
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Unban: Twin, BBE, Jace, Ancestral Vision

Ban: Eldrazi Temple, Tron lands
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>>45275140
literally autism
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>>45274340
I can't believe they decided to reuse the SAME GARBAGE TRANSFORM CONDITION for werewolf cards. I honestly can't. "Not playing the game" should not be an encouraged mechanic.
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>>45277288
>>45277288

New thread
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>LSV keeps 7 on a 2/2 tie
>3 Mimics, Smasher, Eye, Temple, SSG

you read it here first
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>>45275550
You don't play blue for Force you fucking retard, you play it for Brainstorm
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>>45275543
Wheres the woman with the big tits from the stream?
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Reality Smasher is the Siege Rhino of Modern
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The amount of Oathwatch stuff in the recent modern pro tour amazes me. What's this going to do to standard, as the two markets compete for powerful cards?

Where's the price point going to settle for Eldrazi Mimic, Reality Smasher and Matter reshaper? I got playsets of each for some dumb standard colourless (though I may splash green to ramp, as there are 8 painland that most of the time will make <> which can also go green).
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Eye or temple which deserves a ban more?
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>>45278398
Temple. It contributes 2 mana without even having to tap, when paired with urborg it's essentially Mishra's Workshop, and lategame it allows you to tutor every turn.

Card is fucking busted.
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Wow. All this bullshit they're talking in the stream wants me to quit this game. They don't know shit about their own game.
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>>45278788
you confused temple with eye
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