Having lived in Commieland (and ex-Commieland) for a good portion of my life and now living in Canada, I will tell you this: not much different. Travel enough, and you eventually realize that "culture" is not a big deal.
>>45269786 >Martials turn into Psychics at high levels this think tokusatsu series like Kamen Rider and Guyver, which have armors and guns powered by the fighting spirit of the users (besides of a good dose of alien/demon tech)
I think there is a company currently making this. They were on here a few moths back talking about it. Infinite Odyssey I think it was. At least part of the game was all about eastern shit, didn't seem very anime styled either. Wonder what happened to them?
>>45270890 India… well, I dare say castes systems in space. Not unlikely, given almost any theoretical model of a colony ship's length of transit and the right conditions. The cultural model is a very stable one, even if monstrously unfair.
Lessee, let's say an Easern culture, such as India since they are one of the largest and could be, if economies shift a little (accident, war, collapse, what have you) one of the wealthiest nations on Earth. India has and will continue to have a HUUUGE population problem, even given any scenario where the planetary population is reduced by natural means, India still probably has two tenths of the total. India /is/ still legally a democracy, and they really do try, it's just that nearly, what, three-bordering-four thousand years of a religiously and politically dominant upper social class doesn't just go away.
>ITT Commie culture is Eastern This triggers my vodka.
OT: it would not differ much from Western. Difference in culture comes from difference in context of life - technology level, economic situation, climate et cetera. Space conquest implies a certain technological and economical level of society, which will reflect greatly on culture. Basically what >45269739 said but with less /pol: a star-faring Eastern culture would be inevitable Westernized. Not because teh "white powah", but simply because Westernization is the simple outcome of adoption of certain technologies and means of production and the cultural shift that follows. Can't have rickshaws when available motorized transport. Can't have a culture of craftsmen when mass production. Can't have cutesy paper lanterns when electricity.
But if you want more flavor then well, go read Dune.
>>45277717 They did however invent all of the tech needed for it, america just stole some of their best scientists and engineers in that area and threw money at them to get to the moon. Not to undermine the achievements of Americans, just that you did not create space-flight, just stole it from others.
A additional point Russians got something into orbit first. Therefore by your standards they created space-flight.
>>45277962 >A additional point Russians got something into orbit first. Therefore by your standards they created space-flight. Which is my entire point.
Never mind that Soviet sci-fi literature (Lem, Strugatsky brothers,Tolstoy, Belyaev, Efremov) is very close to Western sci-fi overall, except maybe a bit more anthropocentric. So there's no point in making a distinction between the two.
It's also pretty damn good. You should definitely read Lem and Strugatsky brothers if you're into sci-fi.
>>45278194 It could be said that the classic writers of Western sci-fi like Wells, Clarke, Asimov, Niven or Heinlein generally focused their works more on the scientific aspect in their fiction, anticipating technology and the setting it would bring the humanity into (ofc there are exceptions like Le Guin and Dick).
Meanwhile most of the Soviet classics use science fiction more like a background for philosophical argument on human nature, with new technologies, discoveries and marvels from beyond serving as mere means of uncovering the core of some conflict in our existence.
I guess it could be said that this makes Soviet sci-fi a bit more Eastern in nature, but the overall style and context in pretty much inseparable from Western works, since the two seeped into each other a lot through the XX century.
>>45274005 >Westernization is the simple outcome of adoption of certain technologies and means of production and the cultural shift that follows.
How western is China? Because they're sending shit to the moon while US has to hitch a ride from Russia to get into orbit? Or how about Japan? East is dominated by collectivist ideologies. Not all of it, but especially Asian countries have much more group mentality than the west. And that has nothing to do with their level of technology.
Thinking that you need to be western to go into space is the same sort of thinking that led people to believe that white man must be the center of the universe because we got boats and guns and no one else does.
>>45274005 They could hold on to more traditional things because they are not western. You saw this argument coming about a century earlier through toys of all things, with films trying to hold up traditional Chinese toys over factory-made western style ones.
>>45278732 >How western is China It's quite conflicted at the moment.
>Because they're sending shit to the moon while US has to hitch a ride from Russia to get into orbit All their rocket shit is adopted Russian tech with changed names though, and the effort is only made for the sake of national prestige of which the US has a plenty, so NASA sticks to the cheaper option. You don't have to prove anything to anyone in space - we've done a plenty of proving to each other in the last 50 years. China is just ready to flush down money to feel all grown up and in da club with all the kewl kids.
>Or how about Japan Definitely Western. How they bow and how they eat doesn't matter shit when their economy is ran entirely by international capital.
>East is dominated by collectivist ideologies We Russians are very much collectivists, yet still definitely Western in anything but political opposition to the current united West.
>Thinking that you need to be western to go into space I didn't say that "you need to be western to go into space". Only that going to space requires a certain level of technology, and implementing said technology leaves very little of the traditional culture of any kind, replacing it with the model that is called Western for no other reasons than West adopting it first.
>>45278826 >They could hold on to more traditional things No they couldn't. Economy > ideology. The basic requirements of survival in the contemporary capitalistic society completely steamroll any traditions and cultural differences beyond minor quirks, replacing them with values that are more or less universal for today's world.
>>45269651 What do you mean by Eastern? Your picture features Russia, which is still white, European and Christian, and just about the closest thing to the West on this planet. Surely it would be a more interesting conversation if it was about nations like China?
>>45278922 >You don't have to prove anything to anyone
Well why is Russia trying to be a cool guy again? You already were on top, who are you trying to impress? Just lay low and let smaller nations waste their resources being cool instead.
>Definitely Western. How they bow and how they eat doesn't matter shit when their economy is ran entirely by international capital.
Capitalism is not a culture nor a way of life.
I want you to travel past the Urals and still claim you're in the west.
>I didn't say that "you need to be western to go into space". Only that going to space requires a certain level of technology, and implementing said technology leaves very little of the traditional culture of any kind, replacing it with the model that is called Western for no other reasons than West adopting it first.
Ever think that maybe west used and developed the technology in a way that suited their needs and way of life, rather than the technology turning their world into what we now know as the west?
Gunpowder didn't cause China or Japan to become similar to (late) medieval Europe. Several nations have had wooden boats with sails, but they'd used them in their own ways and made them in their own style. If the technology needed for making big wooden ships with sails and cannons, or gunpowder and muskets, did not lead to two nations on the opposite sides of the world to become more uniformal, why would space technology?
Hell, you'd think that with space exploration and long isolation in inhospitable environment, more eastern, collectivist way of life and group being more important than the individual would be more prevalent than western individualism.
>>45279385 >And how many more shit on the streets? More than you can imagine, but you couldn't imagine a hundred million either.
>So's North Korea. So they're at least as good as North Korea. Korea has nuclear devices worse than the nuclear devices America had in the fucking late 50s. They don't have a total megaton yield between all their weapons exceeding 0.5. India has modern ICBMs. It's not really the same thing.
The Celestial Bureaucracy is made up of nigh immortal techno gods who've taken special potions and augmentations to draw sustenance from the universe and can be replaced by a worthy human every now and again.
Wondering drunks who hitch a ride on freighters and teach people their kung-fu and wondering hero swordsmen with blades made out of star metals.
>>45279367 >Well why is Russia trying to be a cool guy again? To try and stay relevant.
>Capitalism is not a culture nor a way of life. Right. Its a broad economic system that defines the very context for any culture or way of life. What is possible under pre-capitalist system is impossible under capitalism, and vice-versa.
>I want you to travel past the Urals and still claim you're in the west. Novosibirsk-kun reporting in, kek. We're not any less Western culturally just because of some geography.
> Ever think that maybe west used and developed the technology in a way that suited their needs and way of life, rather than the technology turning their world into what we now know as the west? As per Adam Smith, David Ricardo and Karl Motherfucking Marx, the means of production dictate the social formations, not vice versa.
>Gunpowder didn't cause China or Japan to become similar to medieval Europe In fact Sengoku Jidai Japan was pretty similar to Europe of feudal fragmentation.
>Several nations have had wooden boats with sails, but they'd used them in their own ways and made them in their own style Style was different, yes. Use? Not so much. Does fish behave itself much different in Yellow and Black seas, so that it must be caught in different way?
>If the technology needed for making big wooden ships with sails and cannons Eastern nations did not posses the technology for manufacturing efficient artillery until much, MUCH later.
>in inhospitable environment, more eastern, collectivist way of life and group being more important than the individual would be more prevalent than western individualism. On the first stages of space conquest - yes, of course. That is why said first stages were conducted under the of military leadership of US and SU, and not by private enterprise or corporate interest. And similarly will be conducted a plenty more. Aldo it's the reason Soviets won the start of the space race.
>>45279824 Putin can have great party times as it is - he's unchallenged in power here. But he also understands that global power > world's oldest gas station, so he tries to keep Motherland at least somewhat of a former. It also doesn't really boil down to him and his ambitions - there is a lot of that collectivist angle here that may be hard for you to grasp.
>>45279857 Be proud of it - this sort of willful ignorance is part of what made your people what you are today, and that is not something to fuck with.
>>45280026 >Heinlin and Aasimov was all about sociology and philosophy Yes, but theirs is a philosophy of what transcends man, not focuses on him. Dick would be a better example, if he had less drugs in his writing.
>>45280082 Kebab is weak. We are the only worthy opponents for each other. In opposing one another our peoples define themselves and grow stronger. Without this conflict we forget who we are and grow decadent, and there lies oblivion.
>>45284518 >What's with his antigay thing, is that Russian et al, or is it a smaller group pushing that angle Most Russians plainly don't care about homosexuality in general, but the disdain towards the Pride movement is damn universal. And meanwhile a small number of government freaks tries to go full apeshit on gays - like member of Petersburg duma Vitaliy Milonov. That one is straight out insane about his proposals - like, they START at "Make homosexuality a heavy crime". Probably does it mostly for scandalous exposure though.
As the result - media is full of clowning around the issue, government has thrown out the "No Gay Propaganda Law" (forbidding bright displays of homosexuality in public places) and most of the populace just doesn't care as there are more pressing issues - like the damn trade sanctions WHERE'S MY FUCKING CHEESE I WANT MY FRENCH CHEESE SOOKA BLYAT and ruble plummeting down, but they are glad that "Oy now that we have this law there will be no more damn homo parades".
>What about Belarus and Chechnia Belarus is our one strategic and military ally. Lukashenko is THE exemplar dictator in the world ATM, dancing with all the Europe and playing referee about the whole Ukraine issue. But as long as he remains in power Belarus will remain adamantly pro-Russian in it's policies, and that will be quite a long time still.
>Chechnia It's currently an all-but-in-name Monarchy of Ramzan Kadyrov, the kebab whom Putin bough back in Yeltsin times to betray Johar Dudaev and remove all the separatist Ichkerian kebab. He's Putin's #1 loyal lapdog, and for that Putin gives him Chechnya to rule unchallenged, plus hefty financial aid from Moscow. "Son of a bitch, but our son of a bitch". As the result, all the Ichkeryan swine kebab was REMOVED with extreme prejudice, and Chechnya population is nearly 100% supportive of Putin policy on the federal level.
>>45284518 (cont) > Last I heard Russia still wanted to be only slavs Russia never was purely slavs. Not since XI century at least. It's only about 80% slav at the moment. The only guys harping on about "Russia for Russians" and "Russian national state" are literal neo-nazis, and Putin's policy is VERY strongly against them, with displays of racism towards the non-slavic peoples of Russia easily landing people in prison for quite awhile (the infamous Article 282 of the Criminal Code of Russian Federation).
>>45284933 Informative. But I get this nagging feeling that collectivism is really just being used to promote Russian homogeneity.
Don't get me wrong, the Scandinavians and Finna do similar to Muslims, and are more than a little behind the curb with LGBT issues. That or the US is just so far ahead the rest of the world looks behind, even Thailand.
Still I'm tied, I've been told Russia wants to seem diverse, but they don't seem to be doing anything that would show it.
How's their treatment of non Muslims Africans going, I remember a long time ago watching something on a Russian native black running for a high office, maybe even Putin's chair.
Does the cosmodrome see any civil science use these days?
>>45285224 >But I get this nagging feeling that collectivism is really just being used to promote Russian homogeneity That certainly one of it's main uses, sure. We had two quite bloody wars with kebab within our own damn borders just two decades ago, so any separatist ideas are not even opposition - they are the cancer to be burned out with any means necessary, as far as Kremlin is concerned.
>Still I'm tied, I've been told Russia wants to seem diverse, but they don't seem to be doing anything that would show it It simply IS quite diverse ethnically. but obviously we do not welcome much diversity in ideology. Quoting State Duma speaker B. Gryzlov: >"Parliament is no place for discussions!" We want people of all colors marching together in neat lines for the Motherland, like it was during Soviets. It has very little alike with all the SWEDEN YES assclowning about respecting teh cultural differences. If it's useful for Kremlin like Chechnyan pro-Russian Islamists - it's good, if it's potentially dangerous for Kremlin - it won't live for long.
>How's their treatment of non Muslims Africans going They are ultra rare. We're very used to (and mixed with) Mongoloids and Middle-Easterns, but black people still make pedestrians turn around and stare. Too cold, I assume.
>Does the cosmodrome see any civil science use these days We're finishing building a new one, for use together with Baikonur - the Vostochny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostochny_Cosmodrome Lots of investments. Putin puts a lot of chips on our space program, clearly unwilling to share the market with Elon Musk and the like.
So, culturally xenophobic, more straight laced appearing, utilitarian society. Open displays of individuality, are seen as disruptive and not tollerated, but the flip side is those that would violently opress minorities in the population are tollerated even less.
The designs of machines are rugged, simple, and usually built arround 1 or 2 major pieces of tech, the rest being auxillery pieces of hydrolics and electronic systems held together by the strongest cheapest metal that could be mass produced easily.
Everything is done according to budget, sometimes at the cost of efficiency, and a little more often than american or western europe, safety. Bold saccrifice for your people, and perserverance being highly valued things.
>>45278172 Actually, the V2 rocket was an American invention. The man who made it was called a mad scientist, arrested, and had his blueprints and inventions sold off. Germany bought the plans to the V2 rockets.
It's your fault for not identifying yourself as Western even though by all means you are! And when you finally accept it, we can stop arguing and threatening each other like idiots and go after the real enemy!
Designs of alien life would be pretty much the same deal as everywhere else, when tasked with making a new race, you start from what you know. So, there would be just people, people with animal traits, pairs of races with humanity between and so on. And overgrown animals as cosmic fauna.
As for civilisations clashing it would be similar too, maybe with praising whatever doctrine it's stemming from. socialism, honor and ancestors, glory of PRC and so on.
>>45301552 Commie here, it was worse in worst situations, not that noticeable for majority of people. Everyone was very effectively kept in informational isolation...now post commie 90's is a hell hole, nothing will ever describe the fear of living in a city where mafia, stealing and killing was glamurous to everyone and often the only way to survive. Tons of my friends died in that time, it was even worse for those who were not teens. That shot was so bad that the "black" or thieves or gop culture is still a thing.
>>45301552 Another commie here. It was... somewhat different in the commie times (though grandparents told that Khrushchev's Thaw and forth is like the ultra-light version of commieland compared to what it was under Stalin) - lots of things worse, but lots of things also better.
Then we somehow believed that free market solves everything, but in reality it only sent everything to hell. So the 90s happened. Sufficient to say that any Western ideas of how "90s sucked" don't even begin to compare to how they sucked here. That is the reason why many people here are pretty bitter about capitalism, nostalgic about Soviet times and supportive of anything that is not "the Western way", like dictatorships of all sorts.
>Were there any bits you miss Definitely. >Any you're REALLY glad are gone Lots of those too.
>>45285224 >Don't get me wrong, the Scandinavians and Finna do similar to Muslims, and are more than a little behind the curb with LGBT issues. That or the US is just so far ahead the rest of the world looks behind, even Thailand. Are you implying that there is a "forward" and a "backward," something other than "selective advantage at this location and time?"
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