So /tg/, with the news that Fenris is about to suffer the fate of Prospero, I'm going to be running a series of sessions involving the Siege of the Fang. The players control an Inquistion/Minostorum task force sent to aid the loyalist space marines in assaulting the vile, heretical Space Wolves.
In order to facilitate this task I would like a full list of all teamkilling incidents by the obviously traitorous Space Wolves legion, so that their crimes may be read to Logan Grimnar before he is executed.
According to the leaks, there's at least two other First Founding chapters (and many more non-First) getting involved in facing the Wolves, so the Inquisition is most definitely not alone here.
It's apparently believed by the wider Imperium that the Fenris system is falling to daemonic incursion, if I'm interpreting the leaker right. His info is pretty skeleton, so it's kinda hard to understand. It's on Natfka.
Try the 5e Codex: Grey Knights - the release of which forced ADB to completely rewrite The Emperor's Gift (although I've always been somewhat skeptical about what exactly could have changed so drastically as to render all his previous work invalid). It didn't explicitly mention outright war, but did say this:
>However, many thousands of soldiers slipped through the tightening noose. This was perhaps because the scale of cull being attempted on Armageddon far surpassed any that had previously taken place, although matters were further complicated by the fact that Logan Grimnar, who vehemently abhorred such practices, did everything he could to inhibit the Inquisition's agents. Thus was the Inquisition given cause to pay closer attention to the deeds of the Space Wolves in the years that followed.
Papa Wolf went from speaking out against the cull to actively working against the Inquisition, who are now the focus rather than the Administratum. As of the Space Wolves codex earlier in the same edition, he'd only refrained from violence (against the Administratum) due to Ulrik's counsel, but with the new GK fluff it wasn't a great leap that the man who in the past "has willingly, some would say joyfully, led his forces into battle against Imperial institutions" might lead his forces into battle against an Imperial institution yet again.
you sound like a pretty cool dude
may the emperors will be done my friend
ADB wanted to portray GK and the Inquisition as good guys, but GW's intent was that they were not, but the Space Wolves were.
Hence the 5th edition SW codex not only says Logan led his forces against Imperium many times, but also implies that the purges of Armageddon were unnecessary dickishness because the rich and powerful of the planet were spared - only the regular citizenry and guard were subject to them.
>ADB wanted to portray GK and the Inquisition as good guys, but GW's intent was that they were not, but the Space Wolves were.
>Hence the 5th edition SW codex not only says Logan led his forces against Imperium many times, but also implies that the purges of Armageddon were unnecessary dickishness because the rich and powerful of the planet were spared - only the regular citizenry and guard were subject to them.
That's kinda lame, if that's the case. I'm all for Space Wolves being bros and fighting for the little guy, but the fucked-up fact of the matter is that those people the Inquisition wanted to purge could very well be threats to the Imperium due to how Chaos corruption works.
I'm not opposed to them helping people and putting a hand up at the Inquisition while doing so, and having it being portrayed as a grim, but necessary, process (because it is necessary, but it's certainly not a cool thing to do), because that's a big part of the Space Wolves' character, but the Inquisition aren't dicks for the sake of being dicks.
>but the Inquisition aren't dicks for the sake of being dicks.
In ADB's telling of the Armageddon tale, the Space Wolves initially agreed for the guardsmen to be purged, but for the people in the unaffected hives to be spared.
After the war was over, a new Inquisitor took charge and basically said, "I made no such agreement" and started purging everyone.
So the Space Wolves, like children, started saving guardsmen because those are precisely the people the Inquisition didn't want saved.
And so the new Inquisitor Lord came off like an asshole and the Space Wolves like children.
>And so the new Inquisitor Lord came off like an asshole and the Space Wolves like children.
You have a problem if you have to portray antagonist as a complete asshole. Space puppies punishing the puppy kicker.
I must admit: I'd really like to hear more about the SOB/Marine scuffle from the Ecclessiarchy side.
See if there was more to it than just 'Ecclessiarchy is trying to be bossy'. Like say, actual evidence of Chaos Infiltration in some of the remote tribes that they believed that they were more capable of rooting out than the Wolves.
>that Inquisition spared the elites of Armageddon
That's not pragmatic if you have to deal with chaos corruption in higher circles in the future. This is particular inquisitor's fault.
There have been a few SOB/marine scuffles in lore. Such as with the Angel's Vermillion. A blood angels successor who's home planet was put under siege by the order of the Argent shroud just before Armageddon.
Well duh but the point is that the bit about sparing elites is only in the codex, not in the BL book. I don't know whether ADB forgot it or omitted it because he did not want to make Inquisition look too as bad as the codex.
But it would explain why von Strab was such a dick come the Second War of Armageddon.
Well, to be fair, the Wolves have a lot longer memory than the Ecclessiarchy. Remember the time when some rogue cardinal tried to invade their world? That's something to hold a grudge over.
I remember the event you're talking about, though.
Yeah, that's it.
I'd like to see that from the SOB perspective, not just the marine one.
Well, ok. the SOB perspective is likely something like:
>The fuckwit cardinal did WHAT?
>We need to go invade WHO now?
>Can we please just Alicia Domina his ass and not fight a first founding chapter?
So maybe more the Ecclessiarchy perspective.
Except it isn't
The end sentence as I posted in the other thread is finer is system
So an outer planet gets burnt that none hear of before
Remember that prophecy they needed to rescue the GK and they did rescue them
So GK slap seal of purity on the wulfen and bring the purifiers to burn the arsefuckers of Caliban
I love the SoB, but they don't seem to be the type to be that level-headed and practical about it. Usually it'd probably be more like:
>The Emperor has judged this chapter to be tainted and out of his light, and we shall cleanse them in holy flame!
>If we are taking large amounts of losses, it is the Emperor's will that we few who remain fight harder!
It'd basically be pic related but with Sisters instead of Dark Eldar.
Actually, I more or less copied the opinion they had of the Ecclessiarchy in both the SOB novels and the Enforcer Trilogy.
The latter has the SOB 'Conveniently' miss on seeing a priest get decked because he was being a petty fucker and they were supposed to be his bodyguards.
As far as the books with them as main characters have portrayed them, not even the Sisters like the Ecclessiarchy all the time.
That's a pretty interesting viewpoint to take, as in what BL literature I've read, they've usually been religiously devoted, like in Flesh and Iron, or one book where they serve a radical Istvaanian Inquisitor.
GK were in system being attacked by daemons
Krom went to help them against orders due to the prophecy
So I'm guessing the story will progress with GK saying wolves aren't tainted
Maybe a parley after the first planet gets burnt
GK go to speak to da on the rock
Catch out changeling
Mega face palm
Combined action just in time for thousand sons strike force coming in to deal killing blow
Cue chaosfags crying they are never allowed to win cf AoS
Oh, that Radical one is...bad. Really bad. I mean 'Fat old priest killed a power armoured soldier in a grapple'?
But yeah, the two SOB books and the Enforcer Trilogy have them (Though they are secondary characters in the latter) as the very pragmatic and practical side of the Ecclessiarchy as they are soldiers as much as nuns. In the Second SOB book they get into an argument with the Mechanicus as they have an enemy force in the area and they don't have time to deal with their bullshit until after it's secured.
The second SOB book as a few of them. The first book...a lot less.
The end of it is SOB vs Ecclessiarchy
The Gaunt's Ghosts has a couple of well meaning members but it's not a very good depiction of the Ecclessiarchy as it portrays them as well meaning but kinda fucking stupid, unaware that they live in a violent universe.
I'll be honest, I nearly stopped reading it at several points. An inquisitorial operative being made into a commissar and magically knowing what to do, the annoying back and forth shift between what was going on in the present and what had happened before...I ended up sticking with it because, despite its lore-rape at various points, it managed to pull a pretty interesting story out of the ashes, what with genestealer orks and some pretty awesome stormtroopers, and the weirdly alien glass-forest planet.
I guess it might depend by the order and who's in charge? Some Sisters are extremely fanatical, some are very practical. And like you said, they're soldiers as much as nuns. I could imagine some Sisters becoming more and more radical in their beliefs as a way to cope with long campaigns and heretical enemies.
>I guess it might depend by the order and who's in charge? Some Sisters are extremely fanatical, some are very practical. And like you said, they're soldiers as much as nuns. I could imagine some Sisters becoming more and more radical in their beliefs as a way to cope with long campaigns and heretical enemies.
Yeah. I think that's the core of the issue the SOB have in depictions.
You put the Dark Angels in a book and you don't expect them to act like Salamanders and everyone gets that.
The SOB have 6 orders. One of which is famous for being fanatical beyond sanity, one for being concerned with Good above Law D&D Paladins and another other for being exceptionally levelheaded, tactical and pragmatic and people sorta expect them to act the same.
Wait is Fenris actually going to be Prosperoed canonically?
Man first my Space Vikings get turned into Yiff meme shit and now they're gonna possibly get Squatted.
Redemption Corps. It had a story to tell and sorta went 'Story can overrule various factions really not acting like they do'. The SOB are one of the worse parts of it, working with a Radical Istvaanians Inquisitor.
Istvaanians are they guys who like to make the Imperium a worse place to live as they think it makes people fight harder. They are such douchcannoes they have been denounced by the rest of the Inquisition for being too dicky.
It wasn't 100% bad (I mean, it's no C.S Goto) but it wasn't great.
The title >>45278189 gave. It's in that trilogy with Cadian Blood and Dead Man Walking. Really great if you're tired of Space Marine literature and want some good ol' guardsmen.
I never really got that sense about the Inquisitor, honestly. I got the idea that he was mentally manipulating all the Sisters and worked behind the scenes as much as possible. And I already said I liked the genestealer orks, even if I don't think acted like genestealer orks are supposed to (no actually Genestealers that I remember).
The Dark Angels are rather bog-standard if they don't know about their big secret, honestly. Not particularly nice, and a little stuck-up, but they do their duty and rescue civilians sometimes. You even have one chaplain letting a woman do some grave-robbing of Astartes tombs so that she can feed herself.
I think the SoBs just haven't gotten enough love, simple as that. Which is sad, because they can be pretty damn cool. They're above Guardsmen-level, and even if they're not quite as tough as Space Marines they do pretty well against them and are occasionally admired for how well-trained they are.
I think people confuse the DA with the Angels of Redeption alot of the times.
DA go out of their way to rescue people alot of the time because their entire mantra is "Selfless sacrifice is the purest form of service"
It's just the DA are also on a mission to capture their fallen brothers.
>The Dark Angels are rather bog-standard if they don't know about their big secret, honestly. Not particularly nice, and a little stuck-up, but they do their duty and rescue civilians sometimes. You even have one chaplain letting a woman do some grave-robbing of Astartes tombs so that she can feed herself.
Maybe a bad example. Replace that with say 'Flesh Tearers'. My core point was 'There is a lot of marine chapters and they all get enough of a look for people to be able to realize they don't all act the same'. Same with Guard Battalions.
The SOB don't turn up enough for people to really identify the various Orders in the same sort of way. So you get a rather conflicting view of what they are like as they get seen as 'The SOB' rather than 'The Bloody Rose Order'
>I think the SoBs just haven't gotten enough love, simple as that. Which is sad, because they can be pretty damn cool. They're above Guardsmen-level, and even if they're not quite as tough as Space Marines they do pretty well against them and are occasionally admired for how well-trained they are.
As much as I didn't like the payoff for the audiobook I rather liked how the SOB were described as fighting in a Space Marine/SOB vs Chaos one. Marines are skilled warriors...but that's it. They are warriors. Even when working together they are each an individual god of war. The SOB fight like parts in a single machine, with almost unnatural precision and understanding of where the rest of the force is due to knowing what the Battle Hymns actually mean on a tactical level.
Sounds like it.
DA and Iron hands all to happy to take up the sword against the Wolves, and the Inquisition have a score to settle.
GK however sense shenanigans because Wulfen have always been chaos-resistant and GK confirm they're actually fighting chaos.
I liked how there was a casual relationship between the major and that Mordian girl. Kind of ballsy when most BL literature doesn't seem to mention that stuff.
It took me a while to figure out his character, though. Especially since the first part of the novel has him more or less massacring a guard regiment to save their dick of a commissar, and then shooting him. If you were gonna do that, why'd you kill them all off, huh? You even knew which side was the real dick.
The squad of stormtroopers themselves were pretty cool, especially as you saw them get whittled down and change a bit as time went on. Pilot lady was cute. Ork genestealer twist, as I've mentioned, was pleasant, and does make a nice change from CHAOS, but it wasn't quite as good as Iron Guard's Dark Eldar tweest.
I wouldn't go as far as to call the DA heroes or humanitarians or anything. It's just unlike the AoR, they know how to properly do their duty and actually know to protect people.
I wish they'd focus a little less on the hunt, though. It's hard to find many points in their history where they're doing something without having it be a pretext for Fallen-hunting.
Well it is "I fucking hate shit not getting done" Stern.
So you bet your ass he's going to slap some retarded inquisitor's cock off his head, tell the Dark Angels to cheer the fuck up then lash a couple of Wulfen to his arms and slap chaos in the face.
I don't know if that'd stop the Iron Hands, though I know the GK have their gaunlets wrapped tightly around the DA's balls so they can drag them anywhere. The Iron Hands would probably be like
>ERROR: why do you not replace the mutating flesh with bionics?
>A chapter of Mutant space marines who are chaos resistant respecting another form of mutant space marines who are chaos resistant.
Wulfen are genetic mutants, not chaos tainted ones, that's always a plus.
It was a pretty well done casual relationship. They fuck while travelling in space and that's about it, although through the novel you get hints that Mordian cares more than she lets on, and being Mordian she's the best second in command the Major could ever have.
The Wulfen are basically the Iron Hands nightmare scenario - a First Founding chapter that has succumbed to the weakness of the Flesh and rather than attempting to cut it out has embraced it. Trying to explain it as something they've had for a long time rather than a recent mutation is even worse, because then it feeds into the Iron Hand paranoia that the other Marine chapters are deviants who will fail the Imperium when they are most needed. For thousands of years they've hid this - what else are they hiding? What about the other Chapters? Did they know? Did they help cover it up? How deep does the rot go? What about the Salamanders? What about the Raven Guard? What about the Dark Angels? (at this point the DA representative votes to go full purge to show their loyalty and total lack of secrets)
Well one thing to tale from all this is thay for all their catholic trappings the sisters are more prodestant, seeing it as a direct line between man and emperor, I feel that is a useful guiding point for their piety when writing
I haven't read enough of his work to give a yes or no on that. Eisenhorn's relationship with what'sherBlank seemed well done enough, even if I don't honestly like how he portrays female characters. Yeah, yeah, call me SJW, but do they always have to be sexy and flippant up until the moment their skills are actually useful?
While we're kind of on the subject of stormtroopers, is there a difference between a hotshot lasgun and a hellgun?
No the Imperium is.
"Over a dozen chapter runes, knightly houses and Astra Militarum".
The Dark Angels convinced everyone including the Ultramarines that the Space Wolves fell to chaos because of the Wulfin combined with daemons following them around
Hotshot Lasguns fluff is that they are upgraded Hellguns.
Same firepower, but the battery system allows them to shoot as much as if they were wearing power packs.
This allows Stormtroopers/Tempestus Scions to finally utilize Gravshutes in their tactics.
They've been through a lot, and gone full wolfy wolf, but they don't deserve this. They could still be cool viking badasses.
And then the Iron Hands start screaming that Fulgrim was a brother to Ferrus once as well and start aiming at the Dark Angels.
At scrying portals and crystal balls around the planet of Sorcerers popcorn is opened.
13th Company is the reason why the Imperium is about to roll over the Space Wolves in the first place
>yfw the daemonic incursions following the 13th is states to have formed the sigil of the Crimson King
>yfw the yiffs will suffer, as Magnus has sufferes
>Russ comes back
>the Lion wakes up
>both muster up their armies on the frozen wastelands of Fenris
>each army halts as the primachs slowly begin to approach each other
>instead of reaching for their weapons, each goes to punch the other, but then the Lion clasps his brother's wrists as Russ laughs and pulls him into a hug
I know, but I'd find it fun if it seemed like they were about to repeat their earlier punchout session, but it had been so many millennia, and Russ was just happy to see one of his brothers again, even if it was the Lion.
And I also wanted to crib off of the Braveheart scene where they send in the Irish to charge to Scots.
Imperium's fw they listened to the Unloyal Dark Angels to kill one of the more loyal Chapters which had a good chance of helping defend the Imperium from the 13th Black Crusade.
Imperium's face when they've successfully betrayed Russ and possibly tippped him over the edge making him fall to Chaos.
Yfw history repeats itself again except with Wolves instead of Sorcerors
WE SHALL STAND WITH OUR PROGENITORS!!
AXES OF RUSS!! FOR RUSS WE HOWL!!!
>At scrying portals and crystal balls around the planet of Sorcerers popcorn is opened.
Wondering what the Sorcerers are thinking?
Sorcerer 1: Now they'll feel how we felt ten millennia ago.
Sorcerer 2: I don't feel bad for them at all. After what they did they deserve it.
The Dark Angels drink a lot of Mjod and actually loosen up for once. The Iron Priests manage to get the Iron Hands to have some fun by showing them some cool wolfwolf gear. Russ and the Lion banter and laugh like long-lost brothers. The next day they have the Dark Angels version of a hangover, which has shame instead of headaches.
So are you saying that daemons never ever lie? I'd trust Ahriman over a daemon.
>Lion comes back
>At the same time, Luthor, arguably one of the most powerful chaos champions in the galaxy, vanishes from the rock
>The 13th black crusade is rocked as there is now a second person loose with the blessings of all four gods
While true, it could at least be an interesting foray back into the 'is the lion actually loyal?' thing, since he's constantly talking about how the lion's going to forgive him when he comes back.
I feel the same about the Mechanicus. There's a few Tech Priests that aren't shitheads in Ciaphas Cain, Eisenhorn, and the Dark Heresy novels, but they're almost universally portrayed as petty assholes that are dicks for the sake of it.
It's different from Horus. As per "Visions of Heresy" Emperor purged Chaos influence from Horus before killing him, but knew that he'd only have a short window before it would return and he couldn't do it a second time.
Luther snapped out of Chaos by himself after beating the Lion, but it's unclear whether he could be repossessed. Dark Angels probably have him hooked up in some serious psychic suppressor machinery.
this is the kind of shit that drives us all nuts - this kind of gw/bl blindness and stupidity. In the current year of the Imperium, we have a full-scale invasion involving the White Scars and Raven Guard, another invasion involving ALL the Blood Angel successors, the biggest and most successful Black Crusade EVER, the biggest and most successful WAAGH!! EVER -- and, oh, by the way, the Dark Angels have been tricked by a c'tan shard into abandoning Cadia - and , indeed, Terra - so they can organize Imperium forces to wipe out Fenris?????????
Like, does anyone read this shit before they churn it out?? Does anyone at geedubs have even a modicum of memory and reason?? NONE of this fits the established lore!! (Not to mention how the hell they plan to fit all of this nonsense into that last day of year 999.....) I mean, jesus fucking christ, the Dark Angels know the Space Wolves better than anybody - they've been rivals for more than 10,000 years, they know exactly how each other operates. The dangles and the yiffs have earned a lot of leeway from each other over that time. And the dangles have a worse relationship with the inquisition and gk's than the yiffs...not to mention the ridiculous levels of purity and security maintained by the dangles: they are perhaps the MOST difficult chapter to infiltrate, even for a god-shard.
0/10, shit-tier thinking
Goddamn that was one of the dumbest additions to that fluff bit.
Sometimes less is more.
Before it just said, "Sanity returned to the warmaster" and that tears glistened in his eyes.
There was no faggy speech about "pls kill me".
Just the Emperor seeing the terror and regret in his son's eyes, but knowing what he had to do.
Sometimes less is more.
>cardinal who everyday gives thanks to the emperor, in a usually painful manner
>Has a small team of 6 abhumans/mutants that are fiercely loyal and equal to their fervor of the Imperial Truth
>A couple of the heretics normal Cardinals and Inquisitors would just outright kill, he would "cleanse with torture", giving their souls atleast the chance to find the emperors grace before death
>is kind to most of the people, and beloved by many more
Shit, I think I need that in 40k. Would be just nice enough to bring some faithful happiness, just grimdark enough to not take it over the edge.
Now that I think of it, Horus might have snapped similar to Luther if he had killed the Emperor. This would have led to him purging humanity and weakening Chaos to insignificance. Hence why Cabal wanted him to win, and why Chaos wanted him to die as "the Sacrificed King" and never return.
>Grey Knights come in to purge the place.
>See this whole situation.
>Purge the Daemons and then instead of killing off the people, they mindwipe them to forget about the situation and the Cardinal gets a proper burial.
>They do however take one of his bones and install it into a holy banner that is taken out of the reliquaries during Apocalypse-tier battles.
>Chaos suddenly has it now more difficult to fight the Imperials.
yerp, mixed deceiver and changeling up in me mind - fuck. replace c'tan shard with demon shard, then.
as for the dangles, erm, yeah - they WERE fighting chaos during abby's attack, sooooo, buggering off from the eye of terror warzone to pound yiffs is, indeed, abandoning cadia. and terra.
As in include him into the fluff?
That would be hard to pull off and would require him to have actually something about him that even Karamazov wouldn't go to him to "inquisitively question him about his gifts".
Thanks to players results, in the real campaign they did bugger off to defend the ruins of Caliban rather than help Cadia, so its actually quite in character to get sidetracked by their own internal politics even in dire situations.
Speaking of, when is this whole thing supposed to be happening? Because Grimnir was supposed to be in charge of the Marine forces during the EoT fightback because he was so respected, and the Wulfen were originally created for the campaign / suddenly reappeared during it. Is the EoT campaign not happening again?
the dangles faced down the Terminus Est and her fleet, prevented Typhus from changing history, and kept a planet-demon from breaking loose into both the past and the present at once. in the Eye of Terror warzone. where the black crusade was.
and you made mention of dangle internal politics - why? there are no Fallen here......
and i second your question: when is this? is Logan no longer leading Cadia's defense?? did 12+ chapters, the inquisition, and the imperial guard ALL forget that there's a black crusade going on?? right now? right next door to Fenris???? poorly-though-out bullshit
That would also require some work on him, but would be fun to see Chaos Daemons suddenly getting debuffs when charging him while he counterattacks with a giant powerbook to the face.
Does anyone have a link to the huge archive of 40k eBooks? Going on a trip and I need stuff to read.
>‘And where are those noble Sons of the Lion in our hour of direst need? Are they to abandon us once more, to repeat their actions of ten millennia past when they failed to aid our Lord the Emperor in His final confrontation with the Arch Traitor? Oh woe that the Unforgiven pursue their own Gathering of Angels at the ruins of Caliban, when the Emperor’s servants are dying here, upon the bloody ground of Cadia!’
Sisters of Battle and Inquisition (the Ordo Hereticus one) in my opinion since they are the closest one.
Also you could make the Inquisitorial Henchmen into Mutants with the certified loyalty stamp on their foreheads and Abhumans.
Also Imperial Guard if you replace the Guardsmen with Abhumans and Mutants.
Most of the Celestial Lions' interactions with the Inquisition leave it vague as to how many or how powerful the Inquisitors involved were, except for the bombardment event, but that Inquisitor didn't condemn the Celestial Lions' (he even thanked them for trying).
Probably he's shitting out ten warp storms at the moment.
You know? That's actually a nice thing you said. Something nice came out of this thread.
So hoping you'll make the force of Cardinal Mozgus and spread the glory of big E and all the goodness that is left in the Imperium.
I'd do it, but I'm broke.
This is the 4th time. The one you mentioned, the time the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy attack (which end with the Lord Inquisitior leading the attack being decapitated by the head Space Yiff himself) and the time some Shrine World ruler got very full of himself shortly after the Reign of Blood ended, declared all other world's to be corrupted, and started building his own empire, which reached Fenris and lost despite outnumbering the Wolves something like 1'000 to one or something.
Possibly this is the event in the Gav Thorpe novels
Typhon and one of the actual chaos unforgiven were using time travel via tusgulsa and the daemon trapped inside caliban and some other artifact to fuck up the past
So it's a good thing they did go
Also they ended up causing the fallen to scatter via a 'literal interpretation of genie wish'
It's in both Russian and English luckily, yet you need to set this before launching the modules.
Also waiting for when finally the evolution of it, Chapter Constructor, will include all the parts and be in full English (Chapter Constructor has only standard bits and none of the specialized ones from the likes of Dark Angels or Space Wolves).
(sorry that I have to do this this way, because the system is saying that it's spam)
Here you go brother.
Hoping your founding will be fruitful.
Just keep calm, and purge carefully.
EoT campaign got retconned out a long time ago. The 13th Blakc Crusade is just starting in the current endpoint of 40k fluff, and if they do progress the background I doubt they'll follow the campaign fluff they already retconned once.
I, personally, like all that stuff. I don't, however, like that it's being all crammed into the timeframe of the very, very end of the 41st Millennium, with little chance of pushing on. It's irritating how they keep teasing the End Times, but that's it.
The 41st Millennium has 1,000 years to make use of; why jam all the big stuff at the very end of it? I don't want the End Times to come, but shit, what's the point?
It's because they want to be apart of history.
Crusades happen all the time
How often do you get to purge a chaos corrupted 1st Founding Chapter?
To be fair, all they saw were Wulfen running around killing their scouts leaving daemons in their wake and Space Wolves saving said Wulfen.
And when they arrived on Fenris they'll find chaos daemons everywhere and a Grey Knight battle Barge destroyed by Fenrisian defenses (also set up by chaos)
The dark gods were very thorough
Hi /tg/, OP here! So I've decided that the party's will each be commanding an element of the Inquisition task force sent, which will reinforce the Astartes already there with Minotaurs, SOB, Imperial Guard, and Grey Knights of Modrack's company(who are more aggressive than Stern's). The idea is that they will both command the assault on the Fang and switch to certain strike teams in pivotal moments.
I've read some of the wiki page on the Fang and it says that it's nearly as heavily defended as the Imperial Palace, but what are some ideas for what these defences might consist of?
Fortunately for the Space Wolves, it got them an ally in the Grey Knights.
Though the Grey Knights vessel was destroyed by Space Wolf defenses (just as planned) the Space Wolves managed to rescue Stern and co. Who will doubtlessly end the purge
Anyone who thinks the Wolves are going to get wiped out is havin' a laugh. They're one of the most popular 40k armies.
The Wolf haters are going to get twice as salty after they win/avoid annihilation.
You're likely right about that. But, hell, I like the Space Wolves myself, and even I'm tired of their shit. I like that they fight for the little guy, but them getting away with everything and being seemingly invincible gets old.
Really? They move nearly the entire DA fleet, the Rock, the Iron Hands, other Space Marines, Grey Knights and an entire crusade of other shit to Fenris to kill the Wolves? With that force they could do something usefull like defending Baal, Cadia or killing of the Tau or doing one of those other extremely important things that need to happen to ensure humanitys survival. Instead they throw a giant crusade against about 3000 Space Marines that have been loyal for 10 millenias, because of some suspicions of heresy.
How does it come that the Imperium has the ressources for such an operation, when it's getting its ass kicked on every major frontline?
Can't be more than a few thousand years. He already tried to set up the doom of the Space Wolves multiple times.
Also why is Magnus still so god dam salty about Prospero, imagine everybody whose planet got anihilated in 40k would bitch about it for thousand of years.
I know, but everyday some planets blow up. A big chunk of the traitor primarchs destroyed their homeworlds themself. Also exept for Bjorn nobody of the Wolves that attackes Prospero is still alive. Imagine everybody would spend eternities to plot the theatralic downfall of the grandchildren of the dude that wronged him.
But he still hasn't done anything than ploting how to kill the Space Wolves for ten thousand years. He has done nothing else since the heresy. He didn't even train Abaddon. This should get boring after sone time. He is as worse as the fantasy dwarves.
Yeah, thats why i am using -was. He is now just a pawn in tzeentch game, in which tzeentch allowed him to "feel" somewhat victory - ofcourse plot armor over furries wont allow him to taste it fully
>Twice the Changeling had met his foes face to face, as the thrill of running further circles around his quarry was too much to resist. Once, as an adjutant to the Imperial Governor’s Guard, he delivered a datascroll to Brother-Captain Stern, and at another time, the Changeling joined a council of advisors to Inquisitor Karamazov. The many intertwining plans were converging when the Changeling joined the refugee throng, consuming the priest and taking his place. This death too was prearranged, his doom marked years ago when the flea had dared speak aloud Tzeentch’s name, claiming he had the Emperor’s protection and naught to fear. Just another detail; one of nine thousand times nine thousand. Some petty revenges were exacted upon targets in retaliation for their ancestors’ doings, dating as far back as the epoch Mankind called the Age of Strife.
Ok, but back to my original question. How does it come that the Imperium can spare a force of that size? Marines from 12 chapters including the majority of the Dark Angels are a fuckhuge amount of Marines compared to other major combat zones or crusades.
>How does it come that the Imperium can spare a force of that size?
It can't. It's drawing forces from everywhere for this.
Consider that anything less would result in a horrible stalemate that would tie up all those elements for basically ever or worse, a complete loss.
>lot longer memory than the Ecclessiarchy
But they seem ready and willing to gleefully ignore that one time fully half of all the Marines turned traitor, which coupled with the fact that the Marines are still a self governing body with no checks or balance ever since they were first founded, is the source of most Marine vs Imperium tension.
And yet Sisters receive some of the best tactical training in the Imperium.
This a fault of BL and fanon
a vast majority of this is fanonmore then anything. People hear 'screaming fundamentalist' before 'one of the best trained, non-agumented, military forces in the Imperium.'
According to that link, that only happened a couple of centuries before this current event. In a setting where Marines have vastly extended lifespans and rejuevenation treatments are a thing, it's quite possible that most of the SW remember that fiasco. It sounds to me more like this tension between them and just about every other institution in the Imperium is a rather recent development, no doubt just as Magnus planned.
Not yet plus he has rules for his company
Look at the tau campaign
Did aunva get special rules?
Also they have a revised codex - not sure if it's actually on more the preorder yet - and no indication he's dead in that
Basically compare kauyon with curse and then extrapolate to the sequel or even trilogy
Which means alpha legion GK da formations perhaps soon
it would be perfect if only the salamanders came to the defense of the yiffs
the two worst chapters gone in one go
>but the Inquisition aren't dicks for the sake of being dicks.
The Inquisition has always been and will always be big on euthanizing loyal imperials who saw shit. I hate this cuddly friendly imperium bullshit. They run off the logic of "better safe than sorry" times a thousand.
>space marines dont know what chaos is
that fluff looks a little too old for its own good
i do agree that you need to silence normies so they dont open up warp portals that kill trillions and doom entire sectors
if it were up to me i would just make it so that the guardsmen were the ones mind scrubbed. like grimdark men in black
murdering all of them as they congratulate each other for victor in the emperors name is a little to edgy for me
>the single most selling SM supplement in GW history
Yeah, no. It's probably just an excuse to make some models of the other wolf lords. Or maybe off a few to give players the chance to make their own lords
what? so fucking what you mince? im just posting random 40k pics. my point is still the same
but they if you want to talk about the IH they are pretty retarded with their human hate and GW has had to tone them down over the years. it was just a neat pic
heres a yiff pic even though i fucking hate them
Then explain to me why the daemonic incursions formed the shape of a Prospero sigil, daemon.
Official Space Wolves Special Character Tiers:
Mythical Hero Tier:
Bjorn the Fell-Handed
Ulrik the Slayer
Lukas the Trickster
Honestly that's still pretty horrible fluff and I hate it.
>You caused that which you hate, Dark Angels! Yoooouuu
Was it really so hard to just have the Fallen get scattered around time and space by the Warp? No. It actually worked pretty well, because that's what the warp does. Instead you have to add this 'you were the traitors all along' sort of bullshit on top of it for the shock factor.
this whole notion of exterminating anyone who knows about demons is untenable and ridiculous.
EVERYONE in the Imperium knows about demons; EVERYONE knows about Chaos and the Warp.
It is preached from every pulpit in the realm; every single imperial citizen is admonished to personally despise and reject the works of Chaos.
Chaos is described in the Munitorum's primer for its Imperial Guardsmen: every single Guard soldier has in his possession a book that acknowledges demons.
This notion of ordo malleus 'exterminating everybody but the hurrdurr gk's' is ridiculous fanwank meant only to further the marysue aura of the gk's. It's gayness like this that makes the malleus and the gk's look pathetic and foolish and, well, ridiculous.
Daily reminder that the Emperor considers what Magnus did as the worst forms of oathbreaking.
Also that Malcador does not blame Horus for his fall. However, he totally and resentfully blames Magnus who should have known better.
The important question is - did Ward write it, or is this pre-Ward fluff?
Because of fan hate, and how GW quietly shafted him, we've more or less been given the green light to ignore anything Ward wrote.
It's not fanwank. It's standard procedure that was detailed in the First War of Armageddon and also the Sanctus Reach fluff. Both cases had the Space Wolves interfering to protect the popluce from being purged.
And in Pandorax, the Draigo had to pull some favours in order to rescue Catachan regiments from being purged.
Nothing your inquisitorial defence force will get through considering an OUTER defence system destroyed a Grey Knight battle barge.
You have to remember Fenris is a hostile death world with only one good bit of land.
huh - i am not sure, anon - i hate to admit it, but i suspect the idea that the malleus kills everybody but gk's predates ward. The first hint of that angle that i can recall coming across is the note about the first Armageddon war, wherein Logan of the wolves is pissed that the citizens and troops were all sterilized/exterminated; i think that was before ward (but i am not certain). But i am sure that ward must have made it worse.
Either way, it's wrong! Everybody knows about demons, so denying their existence is not a viable thing in 40k.
it is wank designed to appeal to fans' basic motivations of bigger, badder, better, awesomer. It is mindlessly appealing to those who want big feels without the thought that goes along with it. EVERYONE in the imperium knows about demons: saying that you're keeping a big secret is ridiculous WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS!!!!!! The local confessor goes on and on and on about demons every bloody day! Demons are NOT a big secret!! gw and bl pretending that demons are a secret is disingenuous and, honestly, very weak writing.
The oldest fluff-anything I have access to is the Deathwing anthology, and one of the short stories in there has a very backwards planet - feudal-era tech, except for some anti-grav to avoid wheels - where they regularly 'expunge' daemons from heretics. Granted, most of the time it's just superstition, and there aren't daemons involved, but apparently the holy words used did have some real power, and if publicly hunting out daemons can be done on such a backwater world, why wouldn't it be common anywhere else?
I'd be pretty impressed if Ward wrote it, given that it first started appearing in the lore over a decade before he joined the company.
>and how GW quietly shafted him
The same way they quietly shafted Rick Priestley, Andy Chambers, Alessio Cavatore, et al?
thank you, anon! Deathwing is indeed old fluff, and that makes my point - every planet engages in witch-purging its own population; every imperial citizen is admonished to beware the demon, the heretic.
The idea that the inquisition is keeping demons a secret is beyond ridiculous. Demons are not a secret - exterminating billions to 'keep the secret' is pathetic and weak, a very small-minded grasping for 'drama' and 'conflict'; a very pathetic way to demonstrate how mean and bad the imperium is.
Now, i have no problem with the notion of exterminating billions who have been actually warp tainted; but knowledge is not taint, because EVERYBODY knows. Exterminate the ones whose heads are gonna 'splode; but it is clearly established that mere knowledge does not 'splode heads.
Either way, it says nothing about exterminating people who learn about demons and Chaos - only those who learn about the Grey Knights, which does make some sense because they're supposed to be top secret.
tfw the Imperium knows the Space Wolves have so much plot armor they have to send a whole crusade.
The Ultramarines alone would have been sufficient. They're the greatest of all space marines afterall
>And in Pandorax, the Draigo had to pull some favours in order to rescue Catachan regiments from being purged.
It was an Inquisitorial apprentice pulling a favor with Draigo, who agreed to mindwipe them instead
Reads like there actually is a substantial daemonic incursion going on elsewhere in the Fenris system.
Makes sense that DA, IH, and Ultras are there. A daemon-tainted First-Founding chapter is pretty much the greatest nightmare of the Imperium's whole command structure. The Heresy left some deep scars. That wound is going to be cauterized with extreme predjudice.
Good thing we're pretty sure none of the First Founding Chapters are suffering any taint.
>Reads like there actually is a substantial daemonic incursion going on elsewhere in the Fenris system.
There is; as part of the trap to get the space wolves killed off, the daemons used Fenrisian defenses to destroy a Grey Knight battle barge, and tried to kill the Grey Knights who got out.
Krom Dragongaze was given a prophecy that if he didn't save the Grey Knights, the space wolves were doomed
he did, of course
SO THEY WERE JUSTIFIED IN BURNING THE GREATEST COLLECTION OF KNOWLEDGE IN HUMAN HISTORY, KILLING THOUSANDS OF LOYAL ASTARTES AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS!?!?
>implying anyone would listen to Sapphon 'let's listen to what that Fallen has to say' over Asmodai
very first book of chaos makes mention of the mindscrubbing and executions carried out by malleus - it also goes on about how the ordo works, all of which has been officially discarded since, because the ordo malleus then was different from now (basically, it was ordos malleus, hereticus, and inquisition police all in one).
It seems the malleus was meant to be the big bad behind the imperial scenes, before they decided they didn't need a big bad; because bureaucratic corruption and inefficiency served well enuf.
It was daemons in the original fluff too. Because if you know the Grey Knights exist, then you probably know why they exist
>implying anyone would listen to a petulant psychopath with no ability to see the bigger picture?
No one listens to Asmodai - they tolerate the idiot because he's the scariest motherfucker in power armour.
but, again, that is not a logical stance, given that everyone in the imperium knows about demons - it's not a secret! it's the very basis for the bloody ecclesiarchy! demons are listed in the infantryman's uplifting primer!
keeping the grey knights a secret, however: that does make sense in the grimdark. to an extent, at least: i mean, the demons know all about them, so what's really the point of the secrecy??
That is still a lesser crime than personally destroying humanity's greatest hope for freedom from Chaos and then willingly making a pact with a Chaos God, my son.
>Surely the Minotaurs will participate in the conflict? I want to see the Wolves hand their asses to them.
That would be what happens too; it would be the Crimson Sabres at Umidia all over again. I mean, it's going to be what happens to the main fleet anyway, seeing as the Wolves are the ones on the cover, but watching every other Chapter storm off and the Minotaurs getting fucked without support would at least have entertainment value.
My sons are my implements, to use and discard as I see fit. You are not fit to judge me. You are not fit to emulate me. You are fit only to obey me. Your crime is usurping My Right to order the universe as I see fit. You are not a god.
This is why your sons were purged, my child. Arrogance does not befit you. Leman shall humble thee and bring you to reason. You have had congress with demons, my son; and for that you shall answer.
The tone reminded me of the Old Testament / Islam style God. "I am unique, I am above all, I cannot be emulated or equaled. Everything exists to serve me, I am the only thing that matters, I order the world as I please."
Your deluded action brought about my corporeal destruction and the enslavement of humanity to Chaos. Clearly, you acted above your station, my son; and against my express instruction. What you and your brothers failed to understand is my wisdom. I know what is to be, and how to avert it. You do not. Yet you presume. I required of you but one thing: obedience. You failed.
You always were too arrogant for your own good, Magnus. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and Tzeentch feeds off such hope and ambition. You defied my direct order not to meddle with the entities of the Warp, and as a result damned humanity to a slow death and yourself to eternal slavery to the Lord of Change. If you had obeyed my commands, both the Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves could have been at Terra to end the threat of Chaos once and for all. If you had obeyed my commands, we could have fought Horus together and the Imperium would not have been left to the corrupt and the misguided. If you had obeyed my commands, we could have overseen the constructed of my Webway and guided humanity into a glorious future of complete independence from Chaos. Instead you damned us all with your arrogance. And yet despite the fact that you were plainly dancing to Tzeentch's tune this entire time, you are still so blind as to believe you were in the right. For that I pity you.
Do you think it brings me joy knowing my soul is not mine, knowing I was nothing more then a puppet my entire life DO YOU THINK I'M GLAD MOST OF MY SONS ARE ASHES!!!! ANSWER ME DAMN YOU!!!!!!!
Do not mistake me, my son. Your love is not in question; only your obedience and your faith in me. You proved disobedient and faithless. For that, I lost my shit, drove you to Chaos, and got throned. Maybe we can share the blame, my son: I expected too much of my sons.
>Bjorns reaction to this
WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK DO YOU MEAN "THERE'S A SHIT LOAD OF IMPERIAL FORCES APPROACHING FENRIS?" WHY'S THE ROCK HERE?
THEY THINK WE WHAT? "FELL TO THE TEMPTATIONS OF CHAOS" JUST BECAUSE A FEW OF US TURN INTO FUCKING WEREWOLVES?
BACK IN MY DAY IF YOU EVEN IMPLIED DAEMONS EXISTED YOU WERE EITHER SHOT OR MOCKED MERCILESSLY.
SOMEONE GET ME A MEETING WITH THOSE BROODING HOODED TWATS AND THEIR ROBOFETISH FUCKBUDDIES. I'LL GIVE THEM WHAT FUCKING FOR.
>All that room for shoving in homebrew armies
From the Iron Luminaries, successors of the Iron Hands, I pledge 100 Astartes of the 7th Company, 2nd of the Itinerant Forces.
For the Glory of the Machine God, lets put down some dogs!
Well, I would tell you - but we both know I won't. Suffice to say you are and always shall be a part of me. I walk your path with you. The lord of change now determines your path; but I still determine your future. Your dreams are my dreams. Walk forward in faith. Watch for the moment of redemption. Remember always that you and your father are one.
They couldn't awaken Bjorn, but Bjorn half-awoke himself and told Krom Dragongaze that he had to save the Grey Knights in the Fenris System or else their chapter would be destroyed.
Apparently Bjorn does prophecies now.