>PT top 8: 6 eldrazi 2 affinity
It looks like we are finally at a point in this format where Legacy police cards are needed.
Which ones should be printed in the next Modern Masters?
I'll trade my Naya Zoo and Infect decks for some legacy pieces, I don't really care about this format anymore. I don't have confidence that they can make it fun and balance after this shit. The decks share fetches so you'll only get 4 Heaths and 4 Foothills but I now have 2 Strands I'm not using so you can have them too. Naya Zoo doesn't have Goyf but it has 3 CoCo, 2 Voice, 4 Knight, 3 Scooze, 4 Path, and theres 4 Temple Gardens and a Stomping Ground and Foundry along with some Razorverge thickets I can throw in. Infect has 3 Breeding pools 4 Might of old Krosa, 4 Noble Hierarch, 4 Inkmoth Nexus, 2 Pendelhaven, and I have 4 Spellskites and 2 stony silences that are up for sale/trade plus any other cards that are staples in that deck. I'm looking for 2 Underground Seas, a Volcanic Island and 4 Misty Rainforest. These won't cover all of those but even just a few is fine. The cards I'm looking for can be in bad condition so long as they aren't damaged or unplayable. I've made a huge mistake buying into this format even if it was almost a year ago.
If it were up to me, the following cards would be printed and made Modern-legal (and removed from the Modern ban list):
Force of Will
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
You can cast Reality Smasher and swing for 5 turn 2 with Eye of Ugin, Eldrazi Temple, and a Spirit Guide.
I can't wait for tomorrow's broadcast of top 8 where all the Wizard casters have to pretend that this top 8 is diverse and healthy and fun to watch
I might make some popcorn just to watch all the shitty magic being played and all the cringe
Smasher would not, the other two would. B/G/generic would be a deck.
>I wonder if memedrazi is just popular rather than necessarily overpowered.
It was like the 5th most popular day 1.
Cabal Therapy, Pact of Negation
Seems good with flip cards, since you can do stuff without casting spells.
The phyrexians cards created a new deck in legacy and two in modern, one of which got the hammer.
>turn two swing for 20
Mate what the fuck? Even if they don't get the nut draw, eldrazi can still threaten lethal on turn three or four often enough that it might as well be considered burn. But unlike burn, it ALSO gets enough midrange that it basically takes over aggro and midrange by itself, and control doesn't matter anyways right now.
>tfw considered building utron as my first modern deck
>could have bought chalices and snappies while they were still cheap, and them flipped them and played literally any other format
Cards I would reprint:
Mother of Runes
Cards I would unban:
What happened, /tg/? I thought this modern tour was going to be Affinity, Tron, and Burn?
people forgot that Eldrazi Temple and Eye of Ugin exist. The eldrazi deck does the same thing tron does, except you get to play good cards that can win on turn 2 instead of filling your deck with shit like sylvan scrying and expedition map.
tbqh, i have thought about standard where the Mimic would be devastating with on curve eldrazis from Matter Reshaper -> Thought Knot -> Reality Smasher -> Oblivion Sower but i dismissed it as too unreliable.
April Banlist Annoucement:
>Eye of Ugin is banned
>Tarmogoyf is banned
>Blah blah too fast combo no fun Mishra's Factory etc
>We chose to ban Tarmogoyf because we feel that it oppresses other green creatures. Green decks don't have any other viable choices because Tarmogoyf exists. In the interest of competitive diversity, Tarmogyf is banned. Players wishing to replace them can look for creatures using the new Delirium mechanic in Shadows Over Innistrad^TM Booster Packs.
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/tg/ is just a retarded place
I'm retarded too. Bought into BW Eldrazi in december
Got my eyes/temple for cheap before the spikes.
I will get cucked by Jews of the Coast in 3 months when they'll ban the deck to oblivion.
Fuck me senpai. Meanwhile I'll enjoy the last months with my memedeck, triggering faggots playing other decks.
At least until april. Most likely they won't make any changes to the banlist until right before the next modern pro tour, at which point they'll most likely ban Eye of Ugin or Eldrazi Temple, which will render the eldrazi deck basically unplayable.
>Thinking WotC will ever ban Tarmogoyf
>Thinking a card that plays well with SoI cards would get banned
Silly Goy, Tarmogoyf ensures that Shadows Over Innistrad™ cards show up in the top decks in the format, and how else are they going to sell Modern Masters 3™?
It's not that good if you don't have the right curve.
What make the deck broken is the mana acceleration provided by Eye+Temple.
Dropping a mimic turn 2 when your opponent cast an Anafenza is just ridiculous. Take your matter reshaper and shove it up your ass because next turn it's rhino time.
Dropping 3 eldrazi mimic T1 following by a 5/5 haste trample is what makes everyone rustle their jimmies.
So, did that pyroclasm finally drop? People were hyping the fuck out of it.
Why would infest get better? What new cards did I miss?
Okay. Cool. I'll sit on this shit. I probably have a few of the parts, but nothing expensive like Chalice.
Banned into tier 5 deck in 3 months
It's too late to jump on it when trash tier draft rare into the bin it goes that were 0.2$ yesterday are now 10$.
You missed it by 1 month when the eyes of ugin where less than 10$
Infect didn't get any new cards, it was just the only deck still standing after the bans that had a good Tron matchup, and everyone expected Tron to dominate the format because Twin was the only thing keeping it down, and nobody expected the Eldrazi decks to happen.
No. Black is the color most inclined to be evil due to amorality being a core concept of its identity, and white is most inclined to good for the same reason, but white villains are surprisingly frequent, and there have been a couple black protagonists. Kamigawa block is probably the best example.
White's focus is on community, and while that's usually a good thing it can also devolve into tyranny and despotism. Similarly, black is defined by selfishness, but someone doesn't necessarily need to be selfless to be good (like >>45265803 said, Toshiro Umezawa is a good example of that).
I really think the Modern format will get it's first emergency banning. Eldrazi decks have completely destroyed all the other decks and archetypes at the PT, and I don't even see a way for the meta too adapt too handle them.
Lets try to figure out a way to adapt.
What card or deck can deal with a clock faster than burn using threat stronger than junds?
Affinity? What about turn 2 thoughtseize + 4/4 and chalice of the void for 1 on turn 1? Any 0 cost answers on the draw?
Perhaps we can make a deck specifically meant to counter the eldrazi matchup?
I don't want them to ruin my favorite format and I think they would do that if they released eternal masters
EM would be amazing to get more people into the format but it just isn't going to happen
In order to release eternal masters they would need to bypass the restricted list which fucks with 'collectors'
they would need to find a way around getting assraped by collectors so they'd ban the super expensive cards to keep from getting sued
>Perhaps we can make a deck specifically meant to counter the eldrazi matchup?
The problem with this is that it needs to be good enough to not only kill Eldrazi, it needs to be able to still do decent against Infect, Burn, Affinity, Tron, ect. If they aren't then it'll all just get rooted out within the first couple rounds.
Except for the people who already do, I suppose?
You play around Force of Will by not being some some combo deck that heavily relies on resolving a single spell. Unless your deck hinges on resolving that one spell to win, getting forced is not necessarily a bad thing for you.
>april b/r announcement
>we noticed that eldrazi isn't selling as many booster backs as we would have hoped
>in the interests of the diversity of our portfolio, mox opal and glistener elf are banned
Shadows isn't going to feature Eldrazi. One of the reasons they switched to the 2-set block structure is because people got tired of the same shit all year long. SoI is going to have as much to do with Eldrazi as Tarkir block did.
It is DEFINITELY about how Emrakul is in Innistrad and making spooky Cthulu Horror stuff happen with her tentacles and her corruption. Consider it confirmed.
It may be spookier, stealthier eldrazi, but it's going to be eldrazi.
White is order, not good.
Pact of Negation is literally a 0 mana counterspell but people still play modern.
Sell sell sell. Everyone else is going to flood the market and pop the bubble.
>Fucking around in the Blind Eternities?
Why would they explicitly make Emrakul absent from the events in Zenkidar if she was just going to do nothing? Do you even understand how narrative logic works?
Has a huge drawback and you can play around it; IE if they have 5 mana you should consider it and during their next turn they can't do much. There is no such drawback with force.
>Why would they explicitly have Elspeth leave New Phyrexia if she was just going to go to some plane nobody's ever heard of to do something completely unrelated? Do you even understand how narrative logic works?
emrakul can be anywhere else. not using her in SOI lets wizards have her show up later on in the story. if they use her now the planeswalkers could just kill her and no more eldrazi ever.
there is nothing wrong with making emmy absent. leaving something unanswered lets wizards come back later and use it. same with bolas and the phyrexians.
can't have this be like the marvel movies where all the badguys always get killed because eventually you run out of bad guys.
>Sell sell sell. Everyone else is going to flood the market and pop the bubble.
Not going to happen. There are actually tons of Goyfs in circulation, but prices are kept artificially high because they're expected to be that high, and people refuse to sell it for less. Until Magic starts seeing massive amounts of people dropping the game, the bubble won't burst.
Staples tank. Cryptic Command was 50-60 not too long ago. Clique has dropped by about 12 since MM2. Chalice is spiking hard on the back of this eldrazi deck, but once that demand is satisfied no one will be willing to pay the current price.
No, they'd just not include any reserve listed cards. There aren't honestly that many of them that see play other than the duals, and it'd be entirely possible to put together a set without reserve list cards.
By far the most important and expensive reserved list cards in Legacy are the duals. Aside from that, there are a few other expensive reserved cards (Imp Recruiter, LED, Tabernacle, Candelabra, City of Traitors, Moat, Gaea's Cradle). However, there are many cards on the reserved list which enable Legacy's more strange archetypes that aren't super expensive, like Mox Diamond, Humility, Aluren, Intuition, and Metalworker.
Banning reserved list cards from Legacy would probably make it a totally different and less diverse format. On the other hand, reprinting the non-reserved cards would create a very strange price disparity between certain decks and cards. It would still be good for the format, but it wouldn't entirely solve the problem.
If Eldrazi proves to be THE deck to run in Modern then I think the Temple needs a ban more than anything else.
Spirit Guide is nothing and Eye is still fine on its own.
Also, my UW/Esper control friend believes that Eldrazi ain't shit for some reason. Is there anything that I can say to convince him otherwise?
As long as eye is out there you have:
A. The ability with Urborg to make it a workshop
B. The ability to drop 4 free mimics turn 1
This is what needs to stop, not whatever temple is doing.
>Also, my UW/Esper control friend believes that Eldrazi ain't shit for some reason. Is there anything that I can say to convince him otherwise?
Tell him that it's as fast as Affinity, but it doesn't die to Spell Snare and it can shut off his Paths with Chalice on 1.
Also I think Eye needs the ban, just because Eye hurts control decks more (in both Eldrazi and Tron) with its ability to draw gas and Eldrazi Titans. It's very hard for Esper to keep up with an active Eye late game, and almost impossible for UWR and Grixis.
>Ghost quarter lol
Besides, you're playing elves. Cavern of Souls doesn't protect your elves that you're casting via Heritage Druid. And you're hardly guaranteed to draw multiple caverns. Elves just seems like a god awful deck to try to use against Eldrazi. Too slow.
It will depend on play or draw. If they're on the Draw, then Chalice is bad but on the play then sure. If a single Llanowar/Mystic is out then Elves are gonna go fast. If a Heritage Druid gets out first turn and Elves are on the play then they can go stupid wide as well if they drop Dwynen's Elite and tap to cast an Archdruid or more Elites.
went 1-3 drop at regionals, waited for a win-a-box to fire and it never did, and wasted $25 on a couple of MM2 packs. I wish I had stayed at home and watched pros meme each other with eldrazis
>Ghost Quarter lol
Okay you've Ghost quartered a land but there's still 3 more Caverns floating around in the deck and I've already got my turn 1 Elf out.
> Cavern of Souls doesn't protect your elves that you're casting via Heritage Druid.
Once Heritage is out you're casting multiple 2 drops or 3 drop elves be it Visionaries or Elites and most lists now run 3-4 Dwynen's Elites for higher combo chance. Chalice on 1 won't even matter at that point. Drop an Elite and tap for GGG, bypasses the 1 counter on Chalice.
> Elves just seems like a god awful deck to try to use against Eldrazi. Too slow.
Wtf am I reading.
I've played the Eldrazi matchup with Elves quite a few times at my store and in about 10 games i've only ever lost 1 set. Somewhat anecdotal and a small sample size but that's just my take from actually playing as Elves so take that with a grain of salt if you will.
>Does Affinity have a chance to win?
>How hard does a Chalice shut down Affinity?
On the play? Chalice for 0 or 1 is pretty frustrating for Affinity. On the draw? Chalice is pretty bad because they may have dumped their entire hand on board before you can even Chalice for 1.
>mfw I pulled an Eye of Ugin in a MM2 booster
>mfw I traded it before BFZ dropped
>mfw I just lost $30+
I don't understand people who believe that giving Force to Modern wouldn't make most of the decks blue.
Sure, legacy has a lot of diversity BECAUSE of Force rather than despite it, but Modern doesn't have as many powerful cards.
I think people underestimate what a card like that would do just because Legacy behaves differently than other formats.
>Ancestral Visions is banned
>Ponder is banned
>Preordain is banned
>Stoneforge Mystic is banned
>Deathrite Shaman is banned
>Bloodbraid Elf is banned
>Splinter Twin is banned
>Birthing Pod is banned
These cards are all good but none of them would break the current meta. Meanwhile:
>Sol lands? Perfectly balanced for a Diverse Format(tm)!
It perfectly fits with Wizard's goal to sell as much of the eldrazi sets as possible before laying down key bans to bust the decks back down to tier 5.
Konami does this ALL the time with Yugioh, Wizards only just now decided to start squeezing it's players through this method.
I don't think Wizards actually realized what was going to happen. All of the lists I've seen from every top website basically was saying 'Oh its going to be like another midrange deck, it's going to be alright but Affinity/Burn/Infect are going to be better and fast'
I don't even pros had that much of an idea it would be this insane and if they did they certainly kept it private. I don't like defending Wizards but I really don't think it was their intention to break the format, I just think they didn't test it at all.
Look at the cards that were printed too. Reality Smash and TKS are insane value cards
Honestly I like the idea of the deck in modern. If they ban temple or eye then the deck becomes a lot more reasonable to deal with.
What I'm still trying to figure out is just how the fuck these eldrazi got printed in the first place. Is wizard really so stupid as to not think even the slightest about eternal formats when making a set? I know they don't test it but come on this is absurd
So I'm looking for a deck that would fit a specific play style.
I love it when I can bluff and play mindgames with my opponent, or just get them confused with awkward boardstates. What modern decks would fit that description? Doesn't have to be tier 1-2 decks, just something not too expensive.
I was thinking about this. Imagine if each of the cards was a regular colored card with the same effect and stats. TKS is a 4/4 for 4 that's basically pretty much a better vendillion clique. Reality smasher is a 5/5 for 5 with trample and haste and basically has hexproof.
Eldrazi mimic is insane because it basically is always as strong as your biggest creature. Matter Reshaper is a 3/2 for 3 that basically cascades. It's really nuts when you think about it
Lantern control? Honestly your're going to lose to Eldrazi no matter what you play
So /tg/, how should the chart read now?
Honestly a UR or Jeskai Aggro deck.
Run things like, Delver, Abbot, Snap, Stormchaser and Young Peezy along with stuff like Spreading Seas MD and Blood Moon. It's half the price of most other Modern decks and allows you to play either Aggro or Control.
or play Infect because Infect loves to bluff having the kill in hand.
They wanted to "make colorless feel like something not quite like the other colors". The problem is that taking from every other color was already black's whole schtick, just with downsides in doing so (life loss, sacrificing permanents, etc). So what we end up with is creatures that are the strongest creatures in limited, modern, and probably standard too once Khans rotates out, have insane abilities across the board, and are aggressively costed colorless - I mean generic :^) - powerhouses.
Seriously, BFZ/OGW are fucking awful and I still hate how hard Wizards is forcing this "sixth color" bullshit.
The only other deck in top 8 is affinity so it literally is a colorless dominated format
As an Infect player, I have never once bluffed a kill because nobody really falls for it. I HAVE bluffed a kill with Belcher though by keeping in a single Balustrade spy
They thought that colorless was going to be a bigger drawback than it was because it can't be found with fetches. They seriously underestimated the powerlevel of the cards. Even if they all cost 1 more mana it would still be a decent deck. Which is fucking scary
>They thought that colorless was going to be a bigger drawback than it was because it can't be found with fetches.
And they have no clue about what cards they've released in the past. Even in standard there are pain lands which would work well enough for two or three color eldrazi, and in modern it's just too powerful as we saw. Hell, part of why it is so good is that it DOESN'T hurt itself with fetching shocks. Even with a slow draw, having that extra 3-4 life over a typical deck that shocks itself can mean all the difference when fighting against burn or affinity.
It was a fine deck back when it had to use Wasteland strangler and stuff like Oblivion Sower because it was expensive and you still needed some color to cast them. These colorless eldrazi for 2/3/4 are fucking insane and broken when you get to play 8 ancient tombs that dont damage you. I'm surprised people haven't started using Vesuva
Isn't UR delver just an aggro deck though? I've never played it, but looking at the decklists it seems pretty straightforward. Maybe I should give it a shot, it seems pretty cheap.
I actually love lantern control, I once built a janky kitchen table deck using the same strategy. The price of ensnaring bridge and mox opal kinda ruins it though.
If I wanted to play a deck for 3 months I would build a standard deck
I've played against both types albeit not the exact same lists down card for card but the decks about 80-90% similar because believe it or not there was one guy who was playing and we got into the discussion that he felt the deck should maindeck Chalice to fight aggro because I was having the same discussion with him in regards to U Tron on why Chalice makes the aggro matchups a bit better to handle unless they drop turn 1 Caverns. Like Vials and Cavern will make Chalice terrible but Elves don't play Vials but Merfolk play both.
Wasn't the whole point of tron having an absurd amount of mana on turn 3 and cranking crazy powerful shit colorless shit out like Wurmcoil, Karn/Ugin, and Kozilek?
Is there even a point in playing tron anymore since you can now vomit out eldrazi mimics and endless ones on turn 1 while having your main beaters kill your opponent's removal and life total? Even without eye/temple, reality smasher still outclasses wurmcoil and makes rhino feel a little weak despite costing less and having a powerful etb.
>turn 1 eye, drop two mimics
>turn 2 temple/eye, drop seer, bye bye removal and swing for 8
>turn 3 whatever, drop smasher, swing for 15
>sometimes they didn't even bother with seer, they just exiled spirit guide and dropped smasher a turn early and the opponent flatout scooped
The fact that there isn't a single eldrazi titan in any of the 6 eldrazi decks in top 8 shows how brutally fast this shit is.
Jace come back, we need you more than ever. Bring preordain and a counterspell reprint with you.
All of my friends play legacy and I want to get out of modern, I've kinda lost hope for it. Plus I don't know any other way to sell them or trade for them and selling the individual pieces sounds like a fucking hassle. I'm just looking for Volcanic Island, 2 Underground Sea and 4 Misty Rainforest, all in heavily played condition.
>Is there even a point in playing tron anymore since you can now vomit out eldrazi mimics and endless ones on turn 1 while having your main beaters kill your opponent's removal and life total? Even without eye/temple, reality smasher still outclasses wurmcoil and makes rhino feel a little weak despite costing less and having a powerful etb.
None whatsoever. Tron is going to die until eldrazi is gone because eldrazi has hand disruption and can put up huge creatures really fast, plus doesn't need to worry about getting tron out. Eldrazi does what tron does 10x better and can actually handle the insanely aggro decks like infect. Eldrazi is better than cawblade and there is no way to beat it unless a 0 mana card called 'WE FUCKED UP' is printed that destroys all enemy eldrazi and you can pull it from your sideboard to have it in your opening hand.
In the post-day 2 turmoil, snapped up a playset of Eyes for 40ea, playset of foil temples for 13ea, 20 Mimics for 4.50ea, and 2 Caverns for 40ea using my store credit at a LGS.
There was a playset of eyes for 180 on eBay I wanted to snatch up but ran out of money.
Time to play a Tier 1 deck for a few months then drop everything at peak price.
A turn 1 pyroclasm is all that I can think of that will let you withstand a bunch of mimics popping up, and that would require you to have a spirit guide in your hand AND you still wouldn't be 100% save because the can just beat you to death with reality smasher next turn anyways..
People at my LGS were talking about how Eldrazi was so degenerate at FNM but I never realized how bullshit it was until now.
Have you checked tcgplayer lately? The mid seems to be static but the copies available are nowhere near those prices.
You can't get an Eye any cheaper than 55 shipped and once top 8 happens, they will keep rising.
>Reality smasher still outclasses Wurmcoil and makes rhino feel a little weak
You are so fucking weird anon. You seem to be suggesting that Rhino is just a little bit worse than Smasher but that Wurmcoil is significantly worse.
While wurm keeps its 6 power on the board after dying, Reality Smasher doesn't die at all. Reality Smasher has trample AND haste with an ability that shoves a dick so far up removal's ass it's easier just to say the words "game two?". Rhino has the lightning helix, but it lacks haste and can still be path'd/dismembered.
Reality Smasher and Thought Knot Seer beat the face and the hand.
Apparently Nahiri is trying to lure Emrakul over to Innistrad. The name of the set is a hint too because Emrakul often casts its shadow over a large area when closing in, hence shadows OVER Innistrad.
She wants to destroy Innistrad out of vengence because thinks sorin abandoned zendikar. Either that or she knows what happened with sorin and nissa on zendikar.
>He bought into the Zoo meme
I'm no better of. I'm a control cuck.
And for the Eldrazi, is there any strategy to beat it?
Can't combo off faster than it, when every combo deck in the format goes off turn 3-4.
Can't out race it with aggro, when it can land a T2 4/4's Colorless Clique or Trample, Haste 5/5 that demands a 2 for 1 to even be removed
Can't choke it with control when it can drop threat after threat that demand 2-1 to even answer. They'll crush you under their pure virtual card advantage
Can't even go for value midrange, when their entire deck out values yours, and hits the board two turns faster than you.
Cashing out of modern while i can, edh and pauper here i come, good fucking riddance the cancer format, enjoy your circle jerk
>wizard reprints temple and eye in mm2015
>many of the eldrazi cost 1 to 2 more, even with the token spawn
>new set is Emrakul JUST FUCKING INNISTRADS SHIT UP
>so more eldrazi
Oh they fucking knew exactly what was going down. They can't pull the "Sorry, we didn't expect this to happen in testing" bullshit, because they printed the lands to be used with the new eldrazi. Wizards wants to make Modern into yugioh, since it's a cash cow that way. They have a soft rotation with the banlist, ban shit out from old sets to force us to buy new shit. Or if they dont ban out cards, they power creep the fuck out of shit.
I'm personally trying to tinker with a format that features Invasion Block, Odessey Block and Onslaught Block, with 7th and 6th editions. No idea to go on from there, it's a lot of cards to cover
She's definitely using a lot of mana to cause a huge stir on the plane. The flavor text shows that she wants sorin to suffer. Being a lithomancer and all, she might even have fucked with anything silver on the plane.
Even the moon itself, which might explain why warewolves are back
Legacy has always been the a great format. Here's the fucking problem, the Reserve List. So by that very aspect, Legacy is among the WORST formats out there. Modern was supposed to be the Legacy-hungry poorman's Legacy. But it's not. It is neither accessible to poor people and it isn't as interesting as Legacy.
I know Magic still seems like the greatest game to some people, but to those people they got into the game on the ground level. So they own Power, they own duals, and they bought into Modern on the ground level (I did).
Every single "authority" in Magic is mute on the matter. Either they don't care because they already have their shit or they're in the pocket of Wizards.
I can't believe a fucking card game is dealing with scarcity issues. I believe it when shit like hockey is out of reach for people on account of needing goddamn ice rinks and thousands of dollars in gear but this is goddamn paper.
It's not like they actually need to do anything different to print stuff like duals. They could just go fire up their printers and print 10000000 black lotuses and distribute them in boosters full of them and it wouldn't cost them any more than it costs them to print garbage commons. It's scarcity because they know that if they don't induce scarcity nobody will keep buying packs because formats like Legacy exist. Same reason Standard is the official format, they need to push packs. The reserved list is still probably the single worst decision they've made but I guarantee you it is in part to keep people out of legacy because they don't want people to be able to sink money into one deck that they can play for years and years without needing to buy a single Wizards product. It's all a big racket but nobody is going to let you in on that because it's quiet words spoken behind closed doors. I'm almost starting to want to pick up chess at this point because all of these companies are fucking evil.
Or I could actually work on making my own game like I was doing before I realized it sucked
If they sold an Eternal Masters set in a print run that was larger than Modern Masters, but less than new sets they'd make a killing, Legacy would become more accessible, and the scarcity would still be there. The game wouldn't die because reprints destroyed the value of everything.
$50 dollar duals are a lot easier to stomach than $250 dollar duals.
I haven't played in like two years, can someone explain the colorless diamond mana to me? Is it like a pseudo 6th color now? Does something that costs 4+1diamond cost 1 specific colorless and 4 anything?
Even with Caw Blade the emergency ban wasn't immediate.
One major event dominated by a new contender is an anomaly. If the next major live event is also swept by Eldrazi that will make it a trend, and Wizards will probably only then consider an emergency ban.
I'm just going to start giving away my extra Power, Ulamogs, Kozileks, and Emrakuls from my Chinaman product at GPs. I got a couple duals that I'm not ever going to use either.
Just get that shit onto the marketplace. Someone with less scruples than me will start selling that shit or trading it for value. Raise paranoia levels and sitr up this shit.
When everyone starts carrying around $20-100 hand-lenses to identify real cards from fake ones, Wizards will have to either accept that reality or solve it - by killing the list. Eventually, word will get out to less savory types of people and kids are going to start getting mugged for their fucking Pokemon cards. It's already happened at big GP events.
The game is no longer as innocent as it used to be. Might as well take it entirely to the point of no return.
Cashed regionals today with Soul Sisters. Felt good until I saw the top 8 for the PT.
Exactly. I think a select few groups have a large enough quantity of high-value cards on the list that were the list reprinted they could sue for damages or something and Wizards wants to avoid that. But like >>45271821 said it's MOST LIKELY going to be online. Vintage is a lot more fringe than Legacy believe it or not
Welcome to neo-modern, enjoy your stay
The format hasn't had a chance to adjust yet. This is the Pro Tour, the first major event. People showed up with a deck that preyed on the inherent ignorance and inexperience with the new format.
Give it a month, we will know the truth about how good (or bad) Eldrazi is once it has a chance to settle into the new metagame. If it proves to be unbeatable then fine, but we need to give the experienced players time to grind that shit to death first.
At least your deck starts out with a low curve and main deck ghost quarters so you can just aggressively blow up eyes and temples.
Don't know if that's good enough but it's more of answer than most decks have.
Diamond mana is another term for Anus mana. You can only use colorless to spend for Anus mana, but Anus mana can be spent to pay for any colorless costs. Cards that are anus colored have many unique mechanics that are different from the rest of the colors in the color pie, like:
And more! As you can see, Anus is a great new color that is sure to revitalize MTG for years to come.
I feel you. It's annoying to try and fire off any kind of tournament when you're just short a few players and the next table over there's like 8 EDH autists.
Then things like this PT happen when you try to convince them that actual constructed formats are fun too.
Any timebros ITT?
4 Time Warp
1 Telling Time
Cryptic is for fags (jk I'm mirin)
>Hey, these faggots play this card game, in the middle of the night, at a games store, until midnight
>Their collections are worth possibly thousands of dollars and untraceable
>Sometimes they walk home or take the bus
God, could you imagine if some homeless people got word that shit goes down in the stores every Friday?
I like cards. I don't like where 40k is going. Whenever they choose to make something good they get bandwagoned. Entire armies, thousands of dollars become worthless competitively. Does MTG have something to prevent my expensive deck from getting shafted?
>go to MTGS's Modern Forum
>Tron still tier 1
>Bx and WB Eldrazi in tier 2
>colorless Eldrazi nowhere
Just came out of a match playing juggernaut, made 2 battlefurrys and carried. I like interacting with people though. I want to have
Seriously what is the actual fuck with auriok champion being 35+$
It's played in one or two deck that aren't even tier 1.
It's even worse in canada, 60CAD$ for a copy
J U S T
fuck me up familia
If the hero deck is a tuned soul sisters list then I don't want to be saved
lol can it be actually worse than it is right now ?
>Arcbound ravager : 50$
>Mox Opal : 50$
>Glimmervoid : 50$
>Inkmoth Nexus : 50$
You need a playset of each
ISN'T IT ENOUGH ???
WHEN DOES THE RIDE END MR SHEKELSTEIN ????
WHAT'S THE NEXT BUYOUT ????
I too know what it is like to be a slow thinker.
They're not here yet.
The Eldrazi are attracted to high concentrations of mana. And Nahiri discharging a whoooooole lot of mana. Expect Emrakul and its brood to be in the second set once they finally arrive to wreak havoc.
Sorin wouldn't give a flying fuck if she destroyed a few vampire castles, but it would certainly hit him where it hurts if she drew the big daddy itself over to tear the plane a new asshole. For all those two know, Emrakul is nigh indestructible.
The only REAL mystery left is why the fuck blue jesus is went to innistrad in the first place. Perhaps he is looking for something regarding the chain veil.
Alright, enough lorefagging for tonight, I gotta hit the hay for the night.
Not being able to program isn't a stopping limit to game creation, it just means you will have less programming talent then you would otherwise, and you not have the ability to get stuff done that you can't convince other people to do.
You do need to be able to keep good notes, and that's something I'm not good at naturally, and for some reason I need some type of work for money environment pressure to get myself to do it.
As it is, I am mostly good for adding bits of insight into a game/product, from a scholarly analytical background..
This turns out to be fairly hard
Dude, you can buy two Scalding Tarns for the price it takes to buy one Blue-dual. And you still need the Scalding Tarns
That doesn't sound terrible until you realize that we're talking about $125 and $250 cards. Legacy is more expensive, but both Legacy and Modern are priced on the side of the line clearly labelled bullshit.
Am I the only one hoping they kill Emrakul's ass in the next block? Eldrazi need to go away forever. They aren't interesting lore-wise or mechanic-wise. Just fucking be done with them and bring back Marit Lage if you need some lovecraftian horror a few years down the line.
Honestly I could probably do a large chunk of it in Python in a couple months and I've literally only seen like 20 minutes of YT guides on Python and that was like 4 years ago but the game is so simple that it would be a trivial matter to a competent programmer. It's a unique idea but I don't know if it's good or not
kek what if we added a smug Though-Knought behind Glistner Pepe
Consider that a minority of players browse Magic communities like MTGS, Reddit, and here. Then consider that Wizards has made every effort to stifle discussion of the topic in all the places it controls, namely MTGS and Reddit.
I'm pretty sure this is the only place where we can talk about it freely and not get fucking banned for it. In most communities, fakes are as real as myth and legend. The culture is such that you can't reveal yourself to own proxies because then you will forever be untrustworthy to trade with.
My fakes cavern of souls and marsh flats were never detected.
Never tried to trade them and will never do it since I don't want to screw people. I just want to play a card game that isn't a way for faggots to pretend they're wall street traders.
Funny how an american company is getting raped by communist China free market.
THANKS BASED CHINAMEN
Thanks bros, it's always nice to hear some positive comments. A lot of the time the deck can really bring out the salt in opponents, it gets old :<
I dunno how or why but it's gay af.
I used to have snappy in the list too, but I don't miss em.
Anyways I'd run one cryptic and 3 mine in an ideal list but it works fine without it.
>tfw no singleton cryptic for turn 4 playz
Legacy has a wide variety of decks to choose from, and there are a lot that don't require duals.
I only do FNM modern, the protour is for how long or is it just this weekend?
might be nice
If I sell out Id just stop magic. got into modern so I didnt have to pay attention to set rotations as I dont get the chance to play paper often. Everything getting banned so often now makes me not want to buy into it, and no one really plays legacy and standard/EDH are jokes.
Play Jank. Jank is better in Legacy than in Modern.
Pic related is known as "Parfait"
It's an Enlightened Tutor control/prison deck using the Land Tax + Scroll Rack engine. Has decent game against most Legacy decks and only cost me about $600 bucks.
>Wizards wants standard PTs to showcase new cards
>people whine about standard PTs
>Modern PT gets overrun by cardss from the las set
Wew that was completely unexpected. Don't blame Wizards for having good business sense, blame yourselves.
I'm sitting on playsets of Eye of Ugins, TK-Seers, Matter Reshapers and Reality Smashers. I hoarded the eldrazi from pre-releases knowing that they're going to be great but I never anticipated the Eye of Ugins becoming crazy expensive.
I also just got into modern a few weeks ago (converted a legacy deck into a junk deck; I'm an old player with lots of old awesome cards) and despite the banning shenanigans, modern seems pretty fun. My beef is do I get rid of the Eldrazi stuff I'm sitting on after the Protour and make a small fortune?
Or do I ride the colorless wave and do turn 2 Reality Smashers and crush face?
Parfait and Mighty Quinn are basically siblings, yeah.
The Land Tax engine is more powerful than Scrying Sheets, but you have to have less lands than your opponent to get it online.
I mean, they're both pretty janky but janky decks are also the funnest. I once lost to an Astral Slide deck flickering Eternal Witness getting back Vindicate and blowing up all my lands. Fun times.
Nice. I'm playing Dredge, Oops/Belcher and trying to finish ANT. If I can cash out these modern decks I should have about 400 leftover to mess around with after buying the duals I need
I just realized that there's a real possibility that the meaning behind hologram only existing on Rares and Mythics means that we will never see powerful and therefore valuable commons or uncommons again because they lack the hologram.
Have they reprinted ANY good common and uncommon cards post-hologram?
I really don't think they have. They're never going to reprint Inquisition or Path to Exile again.
Elves and Merfolks.
Both are legitimately good decks.
Elves has so much flexibility in deck building that it has 3 variants all working for it. It's very explosive, can kill without attacking or can simply attack for more than 50 damage.
Merfolks are a solid tribe, can deny resources by flooding them, can bypass combat by going unlockable, fast clock and decent disruption
Bears are great but I'm a personal fan of these lil giblets
>1/1 flying for 1
OFF THE CHAIN
Belcher is the back-up wincon. You don't get Tax + Rack up every game, and when you just have an active Land Tax (or two) your library gets thinned out pretty fast.
Usually I win with RIP/Helm, though, because Scroll Rack puts the lands I draw with Land Tax back into my library and gives me real cards instead.
Humility is often better than Moat. It stops flyers like Delver or Emrakul and creatures with activated abilities like Qasali Pridemage and Grizzlebrand. If I had a Moat I'd probably run both for the total lockout, but Humility on its own is just fine.
I'm pretty happy with that list, I'm not sure about the Cursed Scroll and some of the sideboard choices. I'm new to Legacy and coming up with sideboards is killing me.
Neat list, thanks mang
I love Legacy because weird shit like this still works well. There's still good and bad decks but you can get a lot further with a lot of fringe decks and people are always really dedicated to what they play rather than just flavor of the month
>Has anyone ever made an Artifact-creature-only variant?
yeah. get all the prison/tax artifacts, posts, vesuvas, sol lands, grim monoliths, metalworkers, forgemasters and payoff creatures, then do the wop while you forgemaster out steel hellkites and shit.
>I love Legacy because weird shit like this still works well.
Parfait is a perfect example of what makes Legacy so great. Unlike Standard (and increasingly Modern) Legacy has the cardpool to support decks with wildly different strategies instead of having everyone run around with 24 Land/24 Creature/12 Removal goodstuff piles.
Like, compare Death and Taxes, Miracles, Lands, ANT, Elves, and Pox. They might share some cards here and there, but they play totally differently.
it reminds me of dota in a way, because each deck does something so incredibly well that it lives in its own niche where it's very good and it's powerful when used well. compared to something like league where everyone is just a version of each other and the best choice is simply the one that was tweaked poorly to have the best numbers
the problem with ghost quarter is that they hold priority after their land drop and can just cast whatever they need to
GQ and spreading seas can hinder future plays but theyre still just going to play their cards on/above curve on their turn
creature type: human is relevant. Not strictly better.
you might have named human for your cavern of souls to cast snapcaster. you might also have a Champion of the Parish in play.
>mfw I'd have to drive for 3 hours to find a place that plays Legacy
Guess I'm stuck with the shitheap known as modern.
Speaking of which, that deck is almost all human-type, with mutavaults in the mix as well, so it could very well be relevant.
That being said, in this particular deck I don't think there is any interaction that possibly warrants the human subtype
I have no idea why that guy chose to run flying men
>add 4 copies of janky cards to deck
>eat burger with top 8 money
USA THATS WHY
Viability of a Mono Black Control deck? This is my list so far. Any suggestions welcome. It's sort of a suicide advantage list.
4x Smallpox ss
4x Thoughtseize s
2x Inquisition of kozilek s
2x Bearer of silence 1s
4x Dark confidant 1s
4x Gatekeeper of malakir ss
4x Geth's verdict ss
4x Death's shadow s
3x Street wraith 3ss
2x Liliana of the veil 1ss
3x Damnation 2ss
4x Ghost quarter
3x Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
4x Blinkmoth nexus
>checks his draft chaff box
>finds 40 Eldrazi Skyspawners
>finds 10 Endless Ones
>finds 6 Drowners of Hope
>finds 9 Blight Herders
>finds 2 Eldrazi Mimic
Into the trade binder it goes
Death's Shadow is out of place here.
Deck desperately needs Innocent Blood.
>tfw it won't be in SOI
Ayee did not realize that until now. Game one on the play i can thoughtseize that away but after that.....yeah. I don't want to add red or green. Or blue or white for that matter. How do i fix that post board in black?
>inb4 just run green
>abrupt decay yadda yadda
I'm working on a legacy build that is so much more fun and playable, including that card. Pox as well. Death's shadow is the only clock i could think of in modern suicide. Any other non-eldrazi
4 Squadron Hawk
4 Serra Avenger
4 Geist of Saint Traft
4 Path to Exile
3 Steelshaper's Gift
3 Stony Silence
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
4 Leyline of Sanctity
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
4 Flooded Strand
4 Hallowed Fountain
4 Seachrome Coast
4 Ghost Quarter
Onto something with this pile?
>What Modern deck are you playing and why?
>Aggro Eldrazi, because it has 8 Ancient Tombs.
Damn son. LSV throwing it down in the player profile.
White would be better.
>Disenchant vs Chalice Eldrazi and Affinity
>Stony Silence vs Tron, Affinity, BW Eldrazi and Lantern
>Rest in Peace vs Dredgevine, Jund, Junk, Grixis, Grishoalbrand and Living End
>Kor Firewalker vs Burn
>Path vs Zoo, Merfolk, Elves, Kikichord, Grishoalbrand and Affinity
White is the lord of sideboards.
Blue deck that needs to survive here, was going to get a chalice of the void but I guess it spiked hard.
Is trinisphere an alright substitution? It takes one turn longer and doesn't counter but it's also 40$ cheaper.
Anyone here got experience using Trinisphere and to what degree of success? Too slow? Not half bad?
I'm not worried about any downside it may have, just worried if it can hold off these aggro decks
>Guys stop calling for an Eye of Ugin ban, we just need to build decks around it to have a chance at beating it.
>The first question a brewer had to ask is "can this beat Twin?" Too many decks weren't viable because they simply couldn't beat Twin, and thats why Twin needed to go.
Does your Chinaman product pass as genuine?
If so which vendor would you recommend, I'm selling all my real cards and spending the proceedings on China, and walk away with a fat profit and the bootyblastedness of Wizard