My theory:Avacyn is/was Nahiri, this is Sorin's fault and now she's (uderstandably) pissed at him. Evidence: >Vampires are not known for creating angels, corrupting and brainwashing are more their style >Similar appearance >Both have a talent for trapping their enemies using pointy stones. >Sorin was implied to have done something terrible to her last time they met. It's either that or Avacyn is based off Nahiri and she's pissed off because of that. It's like going to somebody's house and seeing they have a waifu body pillow with your face on it.
>>45263711 >>Vampires are not known for creating angels, corrupting and brainwashing are more their style
Avacyn was created back when Sorin was an oldwalker. Oldwalkers were more or less literally gods; Sorin may have *preferred* black mana, but he would have had access to all five colors in high amounts.
Although having said that I was really hoping that Avacyn was going to be a Vampire Angel when she was first released. Oh well, I can dream. Still mono-white, the exact same card, just with the Vampire type in addition to the Angel type.
Also didn't a story earlier confirm that Nahiri was still alive in the present?
>>45263711 Your theory is dumb. Now I will tell you why by looking at this card.
In terms of given information, we have the card's art and flavor text. The art appears to depict Nahiri seriously fucking shit up with a massive spell: this is supported by the function of the spell. The fact that the spell (in the art) and the spell (card) are both red are basically obvious signs that Nahiri is now using red magic. But that's all (arguably) obvious. Let's move to the flavor text. >"As Zendikar has bled, so will Innistrad. As I have wept, so will Sorin." -- Nahiri
In these two lines, Nahiri compares herself using a pretty simple analogy to Sorin, and her protectiveness of Zendikar with Sorin's protectiveness of Innistrad. Combining this with our knowledge of what's going on in Zendikar (SHIT'S FUCKED SENPAI), we can deduce that Nahiri is fucking up Innistrad because Zendikar got fucked up... by Eldrazi.
What does this have to do with Sorin, then? Sorin was also responsible, alongside Nahiri and Ugin, for imprisoning the Eldrazi in the first place, but later on they got out. Now, technically, this wasn't Sorin's fault, but it could be that Nahiri holds him responsible anyway. In any case, by connecting Zendikar to Innistrad, it's clear that Nahiri is doing this to Sorin at least partially because of what happened to Zendikar.
>>45264728 She might also have a grudge because Sorin completely ignored the emergency call when there was the chance that the vampires would wake the Eldrazi up with their horribly/well placed temple. Ugin gets a pass since a) he was dead to the world until Sorin woke him up, and b) she had no idea how to find him. However, she knows where to find Sorin and if he's not there, she can certainly get his attention with some well placed pandemonium. Any anger from the ignored emergency is likely amplified exponentially by the fact that the Eldrazi actually did get out, partially due to Sorin's actions with Nissa, and Zendikar is a dusty, bismuth-y husk of itself now.
>Wizards has suggested Avacyn doesn't have a personality >This is how Sorin views her; his proudest creation, but not a person. Avacyn is a mana construct that creates order on Innistrad. >Things are failing. The world is going to hell, and with his actual daughter-figure Nahiri blaming him for what happened to Zendikar Sorin doesn't know what to do >Avacyn, who has been slow to show it but has learned to love the humans she was created to protect beyond their value to the vampires, tells Sorin she knows he has it in him to make things right on Innistrad, and calls him father for the first and last time. >As the magnitude of what this means strikes Sorin, Avacyn flies towards certain death to sacrifice herself for her people and the angels that accepted her as their leader.
>>45273225 >As the magnitude of what this means strikes Sorin, Avacyn flies towards certain death to sacrifice herself for her people and the angels that accepted her as their leader. >tfw they do this why must WotC kill all my waifus
>one night >Tibalt using his planeswalker power, sneak into houses and put sunglasses on everyone while they were sleeping >next morning >Oh noes, Innistrad is covered by shadows Shadows Over Innistrad
>>45262242 What if Sorin used Nahiri's spark to create Avacyn. Explaining the resemblance and how white she is. Now Nahiri has her spark back, meaning Avacyn is gone/powerless and Nahiri is pissed for what he did.
>>45276973 Does Bolas even know Ugin's back yet? We all know Bolas knows everything, and it's all part of his plan, but I'm not sure if he knew that Ugin was manipulating his favorite dragon fetishist from beyond the grave.
>>45277775 They just need to let him win sometime. His sass is a little out of place but in the cringefest that is Magic lore a good old cliché villain that wotc doesn't try hard to make special can only be good.
So now that there are literally clue tokens, are they going to pull an Eldritch Horror and include enchantments that are mysteries? Basically enchantments that require a certain amount of clue tokens to resolve their true effect or some shit? Or they add ticking time bomb creatures that turn into Eldritch monstrosities given that enough clue tokens aren't fed to it at a certain rate?
>>45273047 I'm thinking this is it, yeah. I would have put this in there too but I couldn't remember the details. How exactly does the "emergency call" work, anyway? How does it cross planar boundaries? Isn't that supposed to be about impossible? Where was Nahiri all this time in the first place, some kind of stasis? I read her UR but I was still confused.
>>45276778 First off, you're implying that Nahiri doesn't ALSO hold Nissa responsible, in addition to Sorin. Second of all, you're implying that Nahiri actually knows who Nissa is, which I'm not so sure about.
>>45277262 >He has spies everywhere and he know that going back in time is possible. Tarkirs change will at the very least tell him that some serious shit is going on. If he had spies on Tarkirs (and he should have), their reports must have been really awkward.
>>45277428 Yeah. He's the one who led the fight against Phyrexia. He also destroyed an entire plane (after trying to evacuate it) to save his own from Yawgmoth. He was a really multi-dimensional character, and people still debate if he was "good" or merely put in the right position. It was heavily implied he would have become Yawgmoth had Yawgmoth not found Phyrexia before him.
My predictions >Nahiri takes revenge on sorin by causing havoc on innistrad >Avacyn goes to fight >gets trapped again in a rock >Grimdark happens >Sorin fights nahiri >When one is about to kill the others, jace comes and tells that they killed eldrazi >they free avacyn >they have a foursome to celebrate >tibalt appears >tries to team with ob-nixilis >Ob gets tired of his stupidity and makes him planeswalk. >when ob finds nahiri wants to take revenge >he fails because then the superfriends team up and he planeswalk away again >They mention bolas is watching >the end
>>45278291 Almost certainly. I expect to see a lot of stuff in that vein, with abilities that key off the number of Clues you have, or that are activated by saccing Clues.
It would be downright dumb not to have things that interact with the new artifact type, since without that it's just a weird, fiddly pseudo-cantrip with extra hoops to jump through for no reason. If nothing else, NWO dictates that can't be the case.
>>45280952 Kind of what you can do in Eldritch Horror. You can spend clues to reroll dice or you can use them to actually solve objectives. I hope we get some super ancient eldritch abomination as a mythic that has doom counters or some shit.
>>45281594 >Unless they were planeswalkers Impliying that temporary shitstorm didn't affect planeswalkers too, Narset became a new one and sarkhan became a rug, and i'm sure this made nahiri more insane
>>45282492 That wasn't a direct result of the time fuckery except for Sarkhan's new color, which to be honest still doesn't make much sense to me. It's not like he started using different magic post-time shenanigans, is it?
Anyway, 'walker Narset is the same as old Narset, just from a different timeline. It didn't directly change her.
>>45275423 >colorless creature spells cost 2 more Why would you want her to have such a niche ability? Thalia was good because it taxed broadly for the low low price of 2cmc and had a good body, just like Linvala had a good body, an aggressive cost, and a powerful unique effect.
Thalia being a narrow bear against Eldrazi basically relegates her to the shitheap once she rotates, if not before then.
>>45284074 >Like preventing nonbasics from untapping or something. Nonbasic land hate is red, senpai White's access to land denial/ramp involves counting the number of lands or Plains you control and comparing them to the amount the opponent has: see Balance, Restore Balance, Knight of the White Orchid, Oreskos Explorer, Land Tax.
>>45285082 I'm not sure what the "it" you're saying is. Nonbasic land hate is solidly red, period, and preventing lands from untapping is only white at all if you consider Yosei, the Morning Star and Hokori, Dusk Drinker's abilities. Most white tap-down abilities focus on creatures or on permanents entering the battlefield, and Yosei's ability only forces an opponent to skip one untap step; it does not tap and hold. Aside from Hokori, I can't find anything in that color that prevents lands from untapping permanently.
>>45285366 Blood Moon effects are red. Effects that prevent untapping are white or blue. Back to Basics is old as fuck so using it as any kind of proof is dubious but it should be safe to say it would not be red if it was printed today.
>Back to Basics is blue, and also from Urza's Saga. If the premise you're seeking to defend is "lands not untapping is blue and white," you haven't really given enough white examples to defend it. I haven't conteseted that blue has things that can tap lands, although when I double-checked I found surprisingly few that held them.
Thalia was white in her last appearance. If you want her to tap and hold nonbasic lands in her next appearance, she will have to be red. It's as simple as that.
>>45286671 >Thalia was white in her last appearance. If you want her to tap and hold nonbasic lands in her next appearance, she will have to be red. It's as simple as that.
You quoted my post and didn't read it. >Back to Basics is old as fuck so using it as any kind of proof is dubious but it should be safe to say it would not be red if it was printed today. >would >not >be >red Because red doesn't do untap prevention. White and blue do. Back to Basics could be either of those colors, but not red. Same with this hypothetical Thalia.
>>45286739 >Back to Basics is old as fuck so using it as any kind of proof is dubious but it should be safe to say it would not be red if it was printed today. That was someone else, actually, not me. The fact of the matter is that Back to Basics is an old enough card that would not be printed today in any color, because the way it does things (tapping and holding lands) is very, very infrequently done in any color, and the thing it hates out (nonbasic lands) is done in a color that doesn't even tap things down in the first place.
Back to Basics is even more irrelevant than that when it comes to Thalia, though, because Back to Basics is blue and Thalia is white. White still only has one card that prevents lands from untapping anyway, Hokori. Tapping creatures and artifacts? Sure. Tapping creatures or artifacts and holding them? Also done. Making permanents enter the battlefield tapped? All things that white does, and does often. Tapping and holding lands is simply not done in white, let alone tapping and holding nonbasics specifically, and you have failed to contradict that.
>>45287011 Put "nonbasic" in Hokori's rules text. Does this make Hokori not white? No, because you're just narrowing down within a permanent type that white can touch. The argument about "nonbasic lands specifically" isn't an argument.
I don't think a white or a blue card that taps and holds lands or nonbasic lands is likely to ever get printed but the effect exists within their parts of the color pie because they can tap any type of a permanent and they can prevent untapping things.
>>45287404 >Does this make Hokori not white? Yes, because you're altering an already niche card with a new ability to make it more like a different color's, i.e., red's. >the effect exists within their parts of the color pie because they can tap any type of a permanent and they can prevent untapping things.
Show me a white card that both TAPS and HOLDS LANDS specifically. Not two cards, just one. Many effects just aren't allowed to co-exist on the same cards for issues with the power level and, yes, the color pie.
>>45264728 nahiri doesnt know the gatewatch saved zendikar, she might she straight up killing innistrad until jace gets to her. Both nahiri and sorin know how weak new walkers are and when sorin told her about the eldrazi she probably just thought sorin let her home plane get killed without even sticking around to defend it.
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