Have you come to accept that the Imperial Fists are the best Space Marine chapter in 40k?
this is strange. i actually have ties to an inquisitor of the ordo astartes and he assured me that there is no adeptus astartes chapter with pure imperial fists geneseed. maybe youre thinking of some successor chapter?
>none of these anons want to serve Sanguinius, Best of Men
That's cool, I guess. You guys do your own thing. Anybody want to play Fortresses & Flyrants later?
That's a funny way of saying Ultramarines
Strange. Never seen it spelled that way.
For a moment, I thought you meant someone other than the Ultramarines.
Hey. I like the Chapters that follow the rules.
I don't have to hunt them down as much, so I get time to find other heretical bastards.
Like the Imperial Fists. Haven't heard from them in awhile...
I accept that the Raptors are the best chapter
ultramaggots get outa my way
fists fuck off im here to slay
dank kush green
finest last legion on the scene
Praise it, Blaze it, Emprah's finest represent.
YOU ARE CORRECT BATTLE BROTHER. WE ARE THE BEST AND WE ARE DEFINITELY IMPERIAL FISTS.
WE ARE MOST CERTAINLY NOT ANY OTHER SORT OF ASTARTES.
>Doing the jobs on the edge of the universe that no other spacemarines willingly do
>Won the Babab Wars
>>arguin' bout stoopid tin-humies.
>>dey keep bangin' on bout who best
>>we da bestest
Red Birds bestest tin-humies, but nuddin' bettah dan Evil Sunz.
Call yourself what you want for now, Gue'la. Your empire still rots.
Most humane while not being retarded chapter coming through.
Step aside Lamenters and Salamanders.
Are they really all that humane? Aside from their obsession with their eventual death, they seem to be a fairly standard chapter.
At best you might say they have Buddhist-like ideas about life being full of suffering.
Their entire mentality is about being the most self-suffering fatalistic grim bastards possible, but all in the name of ensuring that mortal humans don't suffer like they do.
They all see themselves as being already dead and that suffering and pain is their lot in the universe and nothing will change that, so nothing can hold them back from fighting as hard as they can to protect the innocent and the faithful from feeling their suffering.
They're one of the only chapters that manages to be both very grimdark and very sympathetic about protecting regular humans, without those two sides of their mentality conflicting.
>All of creation suffers, young ones. Only in accepting our own mortality can we make a difference. Only in bearing the burden of our failures can we find the strength to go on. Only in detachment from glory, or honour, or jealousy... from life itself can we hope to spare others from grief.
They're pretty cool, honestly. The only problem I have with them is that, in one short story, a marine they'd already declared dead managed to return to the Chapter, and they had to spend a long time figuring out what to do about him.
Ah well, at least they're not the Obsidian Glaives.
Oh yeah, Sergeant Tarikus.
He was captured by Fabuus Bile IIRC.
Can you imagine their train of thought?
>So, you were dead, because you're a Doom Eagle, then you were MIA so you were dead to us, but now you've come back, that means you're alive, but if we accept you back in our ranks, that means you're dead again!
Well, it would seem I am late to the party then. I'll simply leave you with a pict of best primarch's most luscious lips.
I can see how people are supposed to find him handsome, but it's actually laughable.
I'd rather Horus. I think he's supposed to look more like the Big E anyway, and we all know the Emperor is a sexy Turk.
That's not the Salamanders. You know, the chapter that does the job they were created for a protects humanity.
Meanwhile, Imperial Fists are doing the opposite of what Space Marines are supposed to do. They don't fortify a place up and get into wars of attrition. Space Marines are supposed to drop pod down on the most important target in the enemy's lines and then kill it.
Or, you drop those Space Marines right on top of the CSM artillery and prevent them from being able to do much of siege at all.
How many times do Space Marines actually win in a siege? The Imperial Fists lost the siege to the Iron Warriors in Storm of Iron. The Excoriators got slaughtered down to a single man by the Cholercaust, and it was only the timely arrival of the Legion of the Damned who, in true Space Marine fashion, appeared behind enemy lines and took them out. Hell, even the Emperor knew the siege of Terra was a losing battle and chose to teleport onto Horus's ship to fight him rather than continue the siege.
To be fair, in the Siege of Terra it was eight legions up against four.
The Space Marines often are more like the tip of the spear, but they can also do great in bolstering a human defense and making them last longer and fight harder where on their own they'd easily break and flee. What's the point of beating the enemy in a few battles if you lose what you were fighting for in the first place?
Space Marines are always out numbered. At most, they deploy at just over 1,000 guys. That's why they suck at sieges. You need numbers to survive a siege.
Fair point, but you should only need a squad or two to manage that, not entire companies. Hell, even when the Ultramarines were defending in a siege, Damnos, they still lost and they're "The Best Chapter Ever."
They were going up against a foe that's got spooky powerful technology and I think at that point they had never faced them before.
Well, couldn't you call anyone living in Anatolia Anatolian? I could call the Galatians Anatolian if I wanted to, and they're Celts. I might get some bad looks for it, but I could call the French Gaulish.
I agree with you, but
>the siege of Terra was a losing battle
Loyalists were winning or at least completely preventing Chaos' breakthrough. Horus lowered his shields because he knew they were fucked with the Ultramarines and Space Wolves fleet nearing Terra, gambling everything on him being able to kill the Emperor.
>tfw ywn slaughter tau while yelling WEEABOO at the top of your lungs.
>tfw you realise imperial players call you weeaboo to disguise the fact that they serve a god-emperor in an honor-based warrior society comprised of various clans with highly ornate armor and signature sword weapons, all while being highly racist.
Best Legion with the best successors
Why yes, your point Hinkle?
I always thought Terminator armour must suck for Space Mongoloids.
"Welcome to the 1st company, have some Terminator armour!"
"Could I... Could I perhaps not? It's a bit slow as fuck for my taste, the bike is kind of my jam to be honest fampai."
>imperial fists don't even have all the geneseeds working.
I'm continually disappointed that there isn't more of this going around in 40k. Stuff like a chapter that has poor-quality Lyman's ear so their situational awareness is bad compared to other marines. Or one where the mucanaroid no longer functions so they have to take extra care in void-fighting. Or one where taking one's helmet off in battle is severely punished because a long time ago their melanchrome stopped working and now they're vulnerable to radiation.
Hell you could make a chapter like the Templars or Storm Wardens with a kind of crazy yolo philosophy because they no longer have a sus-an membrane, so since serious wounds are more likely to kill them they dive into combat to cause as much damage as possible before they die.
It's really kind of lame that out of all the chapters with the constant worries over production and degradation of gene-seed the only ones where GW actually wrote some kind of weakness is in the Fists, and everyone else just has some kind of handwavey 'problems with implementation rate' or something equally vague. Or the Space Wolves.
>What is Death of Integrity and the Blood Drinkers?
Just need to dig up a bit. But yeah almsot no Chapter is properly "defined" by a lack of organ, can you imagine how bad it would quickly be looked upon in the Imperium?
The perfect angels not so perfect in the end? Can't have that.
>Or, you drop those Space Marines right on top of the CSM artillery and prevent them from being able to do much of siege at all.
You then reference Storm of Iron, where the Imperial Fists do more or less exactly this and fail horrendously.
The problem with Sieges, if you get into a place where you are besieged, especially in the Warhammer Universe, you are fucked 9/10 times unless the writer wants to pump up the Faction he is writing about or the fluff states that the faction will win.
>Loyalists were winning or at least completely preventing Chaos' breakthrough
Well they were at the doors of the Palace, if Sanguinius would have died/not been able to stop the flow, the whole siege would have ended just before the shields went down.
I think that there is still something worthwhile in Perturabo but when he finds out about the manipulation Horus had done to him and the IV Legion, then he will go corrupted and shit.
You can pick and choose the look of each chunk of your marines armor piece by piece and how many pimp bits you want on said piece as well as which weapons and how pimp those weapons look.
No chapter insignias though, I think.