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WE END TIMES NOW!

WE AGE OF SIGMAR!
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CRAWLING IN MY SKINNNN
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Reminds me of the new aos khorne models
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>>45109213
>WE AGE OF SIGMAR!
The fact that BL will busy with The Beast Rises for at least a year gives me hope we don't have to worry about Age of Emperor just yet.

Though whereas the Ultramarines and Grey Knights appeared to have leveled off, it seems the Space Woofs are just going to keep getting more speshul.
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>>45109292
Where stand the Blood Angels?
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>“It’s True the End Times Draw Near. The Wulfen can strike out of the Warp anywhere in the galaxy to fight alongside their brothers.

>Their savagery infects their Space Wolf Brothers….”

JUST
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>>45109213
Why do they all have to be in a stupid one leg in the air running pose. I fucking hate those poses, they look so dumb.
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>>45109352
you can thank modern gw for that
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>>45109352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecSCaZ_XPlo&ab_channel=NikolaRamljak
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>>45109213
>Alas, poor Yorick!
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Remember when Space Wolves were aesthetically just marines with a few wolf decorations.

Wasn't that nice.
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>>45109330
Wulfen vs Legion of the Damned..
Who would you like to support you in your time of dire need?
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>>45109213
>You know, instead of keeping the feral werewolf faces and claws, we'll give them hairywolf legs. So they look like some kind of satyrs. And mohawks.
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I'm not even angry any more. I feel nothing about this.
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>>45109499
legion. they're total bros
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>>45109499
Legion, because it don't have to be checked for fleas later on.
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>>45109499
Wulfen are now warp infected instead of geneseed mutated dudes? The fuck?
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>>45109527
But you would be smelling of sulfur and brimstone for weeks.
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>>45109536

Who or what implied that?
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>>45109504
You are just mad that you can't play furry marines.
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>>45109506
What was your breaking point anon?
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>>45109330
>>45109565
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>>45109544
A real man is suppose to smell like a forge.
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>>45109580
I dont know about the other anon but mine was Aos

it showed that gw is just suicidal at this point
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>>45109580
let's be totally honest here.

That's exactly what the fucking Space Wolves would do, even the old hard core ones. furry legs versus scary man-wolves is worse than hover sled pulled by dire wolves.
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>>45109591
So burnt hair? This is different to a dogman how?
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>>45109579
But they are even more furry now.
0/10
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>>45109316
Blood Angels have never been accused of being speshul snowflakes, as far as I'm aware.

At least not like the Ultras/Knights/Wolves
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>>45109213
>Death Companies now go around with dracula capes and fanged helmets

JUST SIGN ME UP.
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>>45109230
>that one nid warrior
>that look of horror as fabulous muscle werewolves are about to dance then murder his brood easily
>that look of horror as he'll never please the hivemind and murder these things
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>>45109589

>they can strike out of the warp

Disappearing into the Warp was always part of their deal

>their savagery infects their brothers

The Warp is not the only thing that can infect people. In fact, lots of things can infect people.

Nothing implies that they are warp-infected.
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>>45109499
Legion of the Damned is cooler.
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>>45109580

I think it was somewhere around all the name changes - Astra Militarum and all that crap.
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>Giving thunder hammers and shields to fucking warp-mutants
>Giving them unique guns. or any ranged weapon.

I gotta admit the TH/SS guy's pose looks cool.

The only hope here is that maybe this is a sign combat is back and possessed / mutilators will be halfway decent.

Wulfen are an elite choice right? I'll be tempted to just ally them to my traitor guard as Satyr's Dark wolves.
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>>45109683
You mean totally unprotected, unexplained warp travel is not kind of a giveaway?
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It's a shame that there'll probably only one of each weapon option in the kit, pack leader aside.
Because those S+3 AP2 axes for 8pts are way too good to not take by default.
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>>45109213

Me on the right, between 3rd and 5th
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>>45109213

holy fucking shit it is really happening

so fucking glad I soldall my 40k stuff when age of sigmar hit roflmao
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>>45109778
>S+3 AP2 axes for 8pts
>AP2 axes for 8pts
>AP2
>8pts
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>>45109632
did you forgot when GW released all the nipple-plated blood angels and the Sanguinor
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>>45109683
wait, wouldn't that make the wulfen infection more psychological? like yawning i guess

>>45109724
we all hope so.
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>>45109330

The current era has been called the Time of Ending for some time already
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According to naftka, the thunder hammer is helfrost, so it's an Eternal Warrior ignoring thunderhammer.

Why do the Yiffs have so much "Remove from play" bullshit. The Eldar and Necrons have like 1 each and they're the most advances races in the setting.
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Also, I really hope the heads will be seperate bits or at least easy to remove. They're just begging to be replaced by those wolf's head helmets from the basic SW box.
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>>45109800
I started browsing /tg/ with the 5e Dark Eldar dex dropped actually.
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>>45109802

Yeah, for maybe 4 years now. They've never done anything with that concept, though.
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>>45109778
Deutsch is a beautiful language really
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>>45109808
well they didn't spend enough time in the warp and fuck xenos i suppose
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>>45109808
Because the most speshul of all space marines has special donut steal helfrost(tm) technology.
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>>45109778
"I am Bjorn SickBurnBruh, and I challenge you to a dance-off in the name of Emperor!"
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>>45109213

utterly hideous. what the fuck happened to GW?
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>>45109799

Unwieldy
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>>45109799
That's totally okay. That's just five swings of S8 AP2 at I5 on the charge. No problem.
Same goes for the S+1 AP2 Shred weapon pair for 12pts.
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>>45109316
They got a bit toned down with their new dex.
But 5e in general was the whole All Space Marines codexes suffered from special snowflake syndrome.
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>>45109868
Their current designers have it in their heads that dancy poses and way too much detail are all they need
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>>45109213

haha, really? the 20 years old wulfen are way better than these
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>>45109877
Not on the charge.
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>>45109877
Not on the charge
Plus everyone else pays at least 15 points for an unwieldy AP2
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>>45109889
>But 5e in general was the whole All Space Marines codexes suffered from special snowflake syndrome.
Most of them have been toned down or leveled out.
When will the Space Yiff's wild ride end?
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Nice flayer virus you got there.
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>>45109877
Not on the charge, where it'll strike at I5. And given their speed, punch and potential transport, they'll be doing that a lot.
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jesus christ, why the legs?

WHY???

these could have been good without that
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>>45109824
>They're just begging to be replaced by those wolf's head helmets

If you're a fucking faggot. those wolfyMCwolf helmets are garbage.

And i'm not even someone who gets upset over the modern 'too much wolf' SW's, those heads just look shit on even basic marines, and will look terrible on hairy unarmored werewolf men. Get your shit together anon.
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>>45109917
So long as their the studio's pet army. Never
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>>45109799

>melee units
>40k

have fun dying to millions of shurikens, mon-keigh
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>>45109915
>>45109916
>>45109931


Wait a Frost axe is just a power axe with 1+ S right?

You're telling me it loses unwieldy on the charge? and this shit costs 8 points? Fuck men i have not fought SW since the old dex but if this is true these dudes are going to be such a fire magnet.
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>>45110025
Plus THREE strength
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>Remove From Play Thunder Hammer
The power creep has no end does it?
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>>45109977
>Warpstalkers: Wulfen can enter from reserves on turn 1. When deploying via deep-strike, don't roll for scatter.
>Wolfhunt: Wulfen units can assault in the same turn they arrive by deep-strike
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>>45109923
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>>45110025
Lightning Claws : S-User AP3 Shred
Wolf Claws : S-User+1 AP3 Shred
Frost Claws : S-User+2 AP2 Shred

Because having Wolfclaws wasn't special enough. They have to out snowflake their snowflake equipment. (Which is cheaper than before because REASONS)
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>>45110077
>what is overwatch
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>>45109230

THESE WOLVES THEY WILL NOT HEEEEL
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>>45110025
A regular Frost Axe from the SW 'dex is S+2 AP2 Unwieldy. It costs 20pts.
A new Two-handed Frost Axe is S+3 AP2 Two-handded 'Merciless Strike' (which means it strikes at regular I on the charge and is Unwieldy otherwise). It costs 8pts.
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>>45110095
not much of a threat unless you got flamers or play tau
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>>45110088
>>45110117
One fucking day, every model that with a good save will be considered overpriced garbage because they charge points for a save they never get to use
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>>45109580
5th edition GK codex

fuck Draigo
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>>45110064

>>45109778
Helfrost Thunder Hammer with Stormshield 20 points.

>The regular dex, terminator armor with regular Thunderhammer + Stormshield 30 points.
>Outside of terminator plate a thunderhammer is 30 points alone
They're also keeping up the tradition of being vanilla marines +1
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>>45110147
Hammernators are 45 points
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>>45109213
Do they have actual wolf legs now? How long until they're full furry?
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>>45110088
Lightning Claw pair: 30pts
Wolf Claw Pair: 30pts
Frost Claw pair: 12pts
Seems reasonable.
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>>45109824
>S8 AP1 Helfrost pistols
>S+3 AP2 Axes with full Initiative at charge

ok
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I like them
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>>45110176
I was only looking at the armory. My mistake.
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>>45110178
I think those are called Thunderwolves.
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>>45110134
My Lion's Blade DA gunline with overwatch at full BS are laughing at melee armies. For that matter so do my Ravenwing.
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>>45109778

My killa kanz were dropeed to str 7 for THIS shit?
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>>45110088
>>45110181
I'm one of those guys who insists "the game is meant to be played casually with friends!" and GW is starting to tick even me off.

They literally do not give a shit.
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>>45110204
This is what gets me, they ALREADY have fast durable models that can be tooled up to pack a punch in melee
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>>45109808

>eternal warrior ignoring weaponry

It's official, GW has become Privateer Press
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>>45110178
They are already way past that point. Look up "There are no wolves on Fenris."
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>>45109683
No, the rune priest from the 13th company made the warp teleport thing. Not the wulfen by themself.
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>>45109962
>Space Wolves
>pet army
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>>45109213
>Bottom Right
He looks like fucking Grim Fandango with melting arms
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>>45110212
i'll admit it; i don't play much but talk a lot of shit. my army doesn't even have a lot of 'regular' guns that can do overwatch and the last few times i charged into combat it did maybe a wound
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>>45110183
>>45110077
The time of Tau is at an end already. RIP Riptides.
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>>45109213
Those things are literally Distraction Carnifexes.

No fucking way anyone is going to let all that remove from play and AP1&2 come anywhere close.
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>>45109580

GW has surpassed itself once again!
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>>45110372
>now this is weird grimdark podracing
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>>45110349
Except they can deep strike without scatter and assault the same turn. Your only chance to respond is overwatch.
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>>45109213
i used to roll my eyes at those who cried 'wolfy wolfing wolf fuckers' at the Space wolves... There is no denying it. there just isn't.
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>>45109778
>Die Iron Priests statten die Wulfen für den Kampf[...]
When will they stop with this stupid half-way translations?
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>>45109800
>Sanguinor
fight me
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>>45110349
These will either be run as a force multiplier in a huge pile of bloodclaws, TWC and assorted shit, or they will come via Stormwolf, i.e. hardly any chance to do much about them anyway.
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>>45110349
They deep strike and can charge the same turn.

There wasn't even casual attempt at balance being made with these guys.
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>>45109845
It is, I'm taking courses for it in college right now, though I'm just elementary level.

Ich heiße Herr Anon, Anon-san
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>>45110386
They can't. >>45110077 is full of shit.
They are good, but that is nonsense.
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>>45109580
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>>45110386
>>45110408
Eurgh, really? That's real?
Why the fuck is GW undoing all the limitations they spent two editions enforcing with this one unit
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>>45110372
nnnnnnnnnnnnnnyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyooooooooooooom
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>>45110386
>Except they can deep strike without scatter and assault the same turn. Your only chance to respond is overwatch

Hahaha wow they're not even trying anymore. Meanwhile Dark Eldar can't do shit after DS.

So glad I don't play anymore
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>>45110431
Na, dann halte dich mal ran, damit du bald eine normale Unterhaltung mit dem Rest von uns führen kannst.
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>>45110386
I don't see that rule anywhere on the 3 screenshots. Source?
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>>45110440
No, they can't, unless that's a formation bonus I haven't seen yet. As is, they buff other SW via Curse of the Wulfen, can run and charge in the same turn via Far Leaps and attack again after dying via Death Frenzy.
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>>45110143
... that already happens with MEQ.
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>>45110440
Nah it's made up shit. Think about it for a second.
Super high S/AP melee with remove from play weaponry able to drop down and immediately kill anything in range. No way.
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>>45110475
It's bullshit. Don't listen to >>45110077
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>>45110512
>Super high S/AP melee with remove from play weaponry able to drop down and immediately kill anything in range. No way.
Well they are a collector's model company after all. The rules are just a bonus :v)
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>>45110143
Welcome to roughly three editions ago, anon.
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>>45110226
That has never been an excuse for shitty rules.
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>>45110475
I think that was just a joke, it doesnt appear on the rules
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How long until we start seeing weapons on elites that ignore invulnerable saves?
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Goddamn those are shit models
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>>45110558
At least one more Eldar/ Tau release cycle.
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>>45110512
>no way

We live in a time where anybody will believe ANY rumour about GW. Because they have proved time and time again they are stupid enough to do most of it.
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>>45109579
Yes, and? Some people want furry marines, not just furries.
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>>45110558
This.

And then they'll introduce SUPER INVULNS that ignore invuln ignoring weapons.

And then Eternal warrior becomes as common as IC, but every power weapon or instant death becomes 'remove from play'

also by ths point every monster can Stomp and the table is now just a 3+ roll for Deathblow

And then the new rule 'Living Legend' becomes a thing, and it ignores remove from play and only Space wolves and maybe Calgar get it
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>>45110558
>new chaos book
>the long neglected 1k sons have finally studied enough and had enough of the space wolves bullshit
>inferno rounds become ap1
>can take heavy bolters or autocannons
>got a new lv1 spell that also lets them ignore cover and invuls
>ahriman becomes lv6 with the ability to harness spells on 3s rerolling 1s and ignore perils
>preferred enemy space wolves
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>>45110447

Ork hover-chariot pulled by grot-team when
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>>45110646
Armor saves become irrelevant as everything is AP2 and AP1, AP existing purely as an anti-tank stat
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>>45110653

>chaos getting op stuff

R u havin a giggle m8?
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>>45110653
nah, just change to ap4 and +5 pts hike to compensate
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>>45109213
Been a space wolf player since 2001. other than the master of the dance they look pretty great, better than the hairy mexicans we used to have.
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>>45110653
Gotta be honest, Ahriman and maybe Eldrad deserve a bit more than ML4 seeing as ML3 are everywhere.
I'd love to be able to field my fluffy TSons again without getting stomped every time.
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>>45110704
>Been a space wolf player since 2001
You have my condolences.
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>>45110529

Being permitted to buy such finely casted collector's pieces and the specially formulated paints and glues required to finish them is a privilege, not a right
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>>45110704
Shouldn't have painted their skin brown, m80.
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>>45110704
You are a shame to every SW player. Hell, even every human being.
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>>45110688
one day anon we'll burn down everything including ourselves to show how much we really hate ourselves. whoops that's a bit too personal but that's how i see the chaos marines
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>>45110715

But getting stomped is the defining attribute of playing fluffy Thousand Sons.

Speaking of that, I need to start playing again and get my seasonal win in with them.
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>>45110704
>Werewolves in power armor are bad
>Fauns with slayer hair are good

Well, there are people who are into scat, who am I to complain.
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>>45110687
Don't forget all guns ignore cover, all flamers are torrent, and rending is just remove from play on a 4+

And then everyone realizes in a world where your 400+ pts unit or model can be removed by a boltgun it is actually the 3 point Gretchin that reigns supreme

All armies replaced with various Grot factions, the Red Gobbo returns, and thus Grothamma 40k is born.
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>>45110744
>tfw you will never get to tear down the sigmarine statue in front of GW hq by hitching it to an apc and then drape an American flag over its face while short, brown, hairy Bongladeshis swarm around it beating it with their shoes
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>>45110704
Honestly, I am kinda warming up to them, too. Heads are not that great, but rest looks kinda cool and helmets exist for a reason...
Send help!
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>>45110726
“The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.”
leik dis if u cry everyteim
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>>45110796
Source on quote?
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>>45110796

I was gonna post that but I was too lazy to find the exact quote.
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>>45110831
http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/
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>>45109213
At least you're getting new models.
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Oh look, a shitposting thread.

We saw this about 5 days ago, seen translated rules, had the shitposting about them already.

As for "End Times", you do realise it's been the Time of Ending for 40k for at least a decade and specifically mentioned as Time of Ending for 4 years at least?

Fuck off shitposting.

>>45110571
True. Give me back the 90's any day.

>>45110646
>AoS removes massive BRB rules and puts them 'depth' in each factions, giving them something unique
>OMFG AGE OF SHITMAR FUCKING GEE DUBBYA OMG GEE DUBBYA IS DEAD THIS IS IT FOR REALSIES THIS TIME!

>40k adds more rules
>OMFG FUCKING GW MAKING SO MANY RULES FUCKING GEE DUBBYA OMG GEE DUBBYA IS DEAD THIS IS IT FOR REALSIES THIS TIME!
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>>45110831

Rick Priestly in an interview for a three-part piece on the rise and fall of GW by some boardgames website I forget what it was called
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>>45110239
And so the serpent has bitten its own tail
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>>45110857

The GWIDF has arrived
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>>45110791
Queeners don't deserve to be liberated. They love a nice boot stamping over their face, be it the goverment, the monarchy or the evil overlords from GW.
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>>45110779
Literally the reason why I shelved 4k points of Deathwing and now enjoy no-upgrade Greenwing.
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>>45110842
>>45110796
Odd thing is... which is what makes me question the whole interview. Is, if I can remember correctly, it mentioned the end of specialist games and how that's a problem.

But... GW has literally just opened a brand new specialist game studio and we've already seen leaked new models and shit.

If it has 'destroyed the studio', why is it still going? Why hasn't it died yet?
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>>45110372
Warhammrr racing speciality game when? Or better yet some sort of Warhammer themed twisted metal
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>>45109438
Truly, it was a better time.
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>>45110891
What the fuck you on about? How is anything I said defending GW? I literally attacked the shit new models, how is that me defending it?

Do you mean my point about, you know, pointing out exactly what happens no matter what GW does? How is that me defending them? That's me pointing shit out. That's like you go "OMG THE NAZI INTERNET DEFENCE FORCE IS HERE CAUSE YOU SAID THE NAZI PARTY WAS IN POWER IN 1940!!!"
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>>45109504
Could you not just put the heads, arms and bodies on, say ASM legs?
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>>45110907
Inertia

GW will never die, it will live on like a necrotic thunder ape-lich, hooting and flinging its shit at passers by, eternal thanks to its phylactory of liscenced IP
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>>45110857
Are you such a blind GW fanboy you cannot realise that both too few and too many rules is a bad thing?

Age of Sigmar was a fucking stupid idea, the current direction of 40k is also fucking stupid.
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>>45110891
Reminder that 16% of /tg/ is GWIDF
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Something about the expression is just so fucking hilarious to me.
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>>45110909
There is rules for that in one of the WD's. It's essentially Wacky Racers though. I'm sure somebody has them.

However, since the Specialist Game Division has been rebuilt, we might see a 40k racing game. I think the 'fluffy' way of doing that will have it set in Commorrgah.
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>>45110907
The new specialist games studio will pump out stuff like dreadfleet and that assassin game, not continue battlefleet gothic or whatever.
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>>45110372
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1qe-778dUw
[Character selection intensifies]
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>>45109438
>>45110915

Remember when the modelers and converters made them more Space Vikings and less yiffing faggots in fursuit?
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>>45109800
To be fair; one or two silly kits doesn't put BA anywhere NEAR the realm of Wolf Wolf speshulness
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>>45110941
>if you don't automatically attack everything GW does, you're GWIDF

Uh-huh.

>>45110940
Where is the cut off point? AoS doesn't have 'few rules', the base games does, true, but the individual units all have shit to remember which is a pain. Is it less complicated? Sure, but it isn't void of anything. As for 40k, you're right in that it's getting close to that, but I don't think it will. I think we're at the limit. New special rules? Maybe. But I don't think we'll see anything like Snap Shots added into the game any time soon.

I dunno, perhaps if you, or /tg/, wrote a detailed 'paper' on what needs to be fixed/changed, then sent it to GW, they'd listen or look over it. Hell, they have an email just for that, but I doubt anybody here uses it.
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>>45109889
>>45109917

If only they had left the BA with some good rules/toys after the snowflake scrub was done.
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>>45110935
They are just lucky they had such a large playerbase when AoS hit.

The loss of players that caused would kill most other companies immediately.
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>>45110996
They would not even bother reading it, their current rules decisions are driven entirely by what they think will make them more money.

That is why they ditched point values and army restrictions entirely for AoS.
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>>45110143
So, a lot like right now?
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>>45110956
I dunno if you're shitposting or being ignorant on purpose, either way....
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>>45111059
And another one.

Oh and I won't bother linking the, you know, leaked Blood Bowl minis and other models they're going to be selling... Don't want to do this, it's illegal after all, you know, owning niggers.
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>>45111059

So where's the Necromunda or Battlefleet Gothic? That's right, not coming. At best they'll sell the remaining models under that label and put the rules up as free pdf's again.
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>>45111091
calm down dude. you got shit on. it's okay.
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>>45111059
>>45110956
You know what? I like a good beat down, so fuck it!
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>>45110226
Yeah with every release since 7th hit, I've told myself "They're gonna pull their heads out of their asses soon, they'll try to make the game better next."

And with every subsequent release? Disbelief or disappointment. I sold my CSM. I sold my Daemons. I'm now going to sell my Nids. Which leaves me with IG, BA, and HH Night Lords. And a game thats damn near unplayable.

GW will go out of business before they make 40k a good game. In fact, everything theyve done for the past 15+ months suggests they will continue to make arbitrary, non-sensical decisions with regards to rules and balance. They just dont get it, or they are trying to squeeze out a few shekels while they tank the entire business.

Sales are shrinking for a reason. I'm done giving money to Games Workshop.
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>>45111091
>b-b-but it'll only be pdf
>literally released pictures of new Bloodbowl minis
>b-b-b-b-ut it won't be BFG or Necromunda despite them saying so!!!!!!!

More new stuff.
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Shame GW has their head so far up their own arse they will probably make the specialist games pointless by pricing themselves out of any sales.

The BFG stuff should be in the same price range as FSA for example but I half expect them to go twice that.
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>>45111126

>"revamped" bloodbowl

Oh that's great, we are going to get a space dreadfleet called battlefleet gothic too
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>>45110926
>That's like you go "OMG THE NAZI INTERNET DEFENCE FORCE IS HERE CAUSE YOU SAID THE NAZI PARTY WAS IN POWER IN 1940!!!"

aka exactly what happens in /hwg/ every day
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>>45111174
A handful of ships would be nice for RT actually.
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>>45110239

How so? Please explain I am ignorant of Privateer Press.
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>>45111170

Overpriced boxed games, one would think GW has learned their lesson.
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>>45111204

>weapons have a rule

>rule has a counter-rule that negates rule

>weapon that has rule has another rule that specifically counters said counter-rule

Eternal warrior shouldn't be negatable, period.
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>>45111261
It was fine imo when it was on short range beam weapons of necrons, or on a single aspect's Exarch's sword.

But the fucking yiffs have got in on their thunder hammers and pistol, and giant fucking beam cannons with blast templates.
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>>45111289
Necrons only had it on their monolith, and a 16" beam weapon from a forgeworld creature.
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>>45111200

Yes, but only a few people bought dreadfleet for models.

GW fucked their old BFG up good too, the studio stopped updating rules and gave the mission to freelancers. They made the rules for Admech and Craftworld Eldar fleets for GW, and then moved on to Rogue Traders (which had GW models but no rules yet) Legion fleets and updating the original release but inbetween GW had decided that they wouldn't update BFG any more, even for free, and refused all updates, and eventually took down everything BFG-related.
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>>45110907
>Why hasn't it died yet?

The strength of the 40k IP. And thats it.
But make no mistake, GW is slowly dying. Their yearly shareholders report has illustrated this for the past 5 years. They've pulled out all the tricks in attempts to stop the bleeding, yet it has continued. This years will be the worst yet, mark it.
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>>45111132

I saw which way the wind was blowing in 2010 with Apocalypse and all that shit. "ppl luv baneblades let's make a million giant $200 vehicles and start stealing ideas from forgeworld"

Basically apocalypse made it apparent that rules were now intended solely to sell models (even more than each new codex being more op than the last, which really started with the tau and daemonhunters), this was also when the released the daemon horde army that you can use in both whfb amd 40k! They removed daemonettes tits, made new dark elves shitting, started charging $25/10 basic infantry, and I just had enough.

Let subscription to white dwarf run out, stopped buying their minis (only box I bought between 2010-now was empire huntsmen to kitbash into mordheim witch hunters).

I'm still keeping my armies because I like them and I can just play old editions with my similarly-disillusioned core group of gaming buddies, and I can use them as proxies (whfb for Kings of War for instance).

I played a 7,000 point 4-player game of whfb over the summer using 7th edition rules and had a blast, so even if I only do something like that twice a year I'd rather keep my collection than pawn it for a couple thousand bucks

But GW is dead to me, all new minis I'm interested in are historicals (bolt action and Hail Caesar/warhammer ancient battles)
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>>45110907

You completely missed the point of his statement. The studio isn't doing anything creative anymore, this is the case with what is happening right now. They are reproducing the same products that they made decades ago. They are not inventing anything new, they are not trying anything new, they are recycling their old intellectual properties.
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>>45111332
I haven't read a shareholder report in a while. Do they have any idea that people think their new fluff sucks? That their models are exorbitantly priced? That their game is horrifically balanced and only getting worse?

Any one of those things?
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>>45110983
One set of nipple armor in the tactical box, and The Sanguinor? That makes BA special snowflakes?

Anon has over-committed to hating everything.
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>>45111344

Age of Sigmar was something new, although no doubt driven by unprofitability of the WHFB mastodon.
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>>45111334
I think the plastic Baneblade was the start of the end.

28mm is just the wrong scale for the size of games GW is pushing 40k into.
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>>45111332

It is swiftly approaching the point of no return, where even if they pull their collective heads out of their assets, it'll be too late to save. Old fans are dropping like flies with each stupid decision, and prices prevent the vast majority of potential new players from investing. There's enough wealthy idiots out there to keep GW on life-support for a while, just like there will always be morons who pay $150 for a gun skin in CS:GO, but there's not enough of them to provide each other with opponents
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>>45111374

All shareholder reports available on GW's site repeat Tom Kirby's mantra:

"We are a manufacturer, not a retailer"
"Our customers are driven by desire to collect and own miniatures alone"

Background and rules are not a concern in any investor report.
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>>45111390
And its uninspired dreck that was released in perhaps the most incompetent way possible.

Also WHFB was still profitable and was one of the top 5 selling wargames when they started planning to get rid of it. Even with the poor rules of 8th edition and huge barrier it still made money.
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>>45111379
It's Anon, hating everything is what he does.
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>>45111436
How disheartening
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>>45109213
>>45109230
PREMIUM MINIATURES FOR A PREMIUM PRICE
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>>45111379

Sanguinary Guard. But to be fair it's very Greek, and Europe has always had a fascination with the Greek fascination of Heroic Nudity.
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>>45111436
The question is, do they actually believe that.
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>>45109364
HAHAA FUCK
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>>45111436

Their corporate culture is nauseating.
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but guys gw is too big to fall and then if it falls the fallout will be immense. though it'll probably be like heavy metal where the underground is live and well
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>>45110907
Dude, it takes a blind man not to spot the complete death of creativity in GW. Their biggest new thing - AoS - has literally rehashed Space Marines. This is a company that has outright stated that they are not a gaming company but rather a collectible model producer. Everyone who did real creative work for them has left. Even back when Andy Chambers quit he stated outright that GW simply stopped being a creative place to work.

I like 40k, but GW has a serious problem with their priorities.
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>>45111454
>>45111436
>The games are a key part of both our Hobby and our business model. Our games are played between people present in a room (a Hobby centre, a club, a school), not with a screen. They are truly social and build a real sense of community and comradeship. This again makes good business sense. The more fun and enjoyable we make our games, the more customers we attract and retain, and the more miniatures our customers want to buy. This in turn allows us to reinvest in making more and more exciting miniatures and games, which creates a virtuous circle for all.
According to their stated business model; better rules should in theory be a priority.
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>>45111512
AoS was like a wrecking ball to the fantasy community, the level of spite and anger is crazy. And in many areas its killed 40k, let alone fantasy gaming.

But on the other hand thousands of wargamers are now investing in dozens of other games that are both cheaper and have better rules.

The ONLY thing 40k has going for it is its IP and they are doing their best to water down and butcher all the good stuff about it.
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>>45110857
>le ebin shitposting

AoS dint do anything but water down fantasy so little jimmy can have a turn

we saw the same shit happen when geedubs released a bunch of large units and special characters. we wont see endtimes in 40k yet but were getting there
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>>45111490

The suits probably do, Priestley didn't according to his interview:

>The current attitude in Games Workshop is that they’re not a games company, it’s that they’re a model company selling collectibles. That’s something I find wholly self-deceiving and couldn’t possibly agree with.
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>>45111332
You mean the worst since 2005? This is the history of GW's stock value going back to July 2, 2004. As you can see, despite the constant cries of apocalypse from this board, the worst drop in price for GW in recent memory occured two years ago, and (I'm willing to guess) was the result of a market correction more than anything else. Although, if we look at short-term price fluctuations, it may seem like GW is suffering, I would assert that GW is merely experiencing a fall-off of sales after the initial wave of interest in AoS (one might note a massive jump in stock price around the time AoS came out, if one looked at the one-year data), rather than the result of a company facing insolvency. Combining this with patterns that clearly emerge at various scales (such as the fact that GW tends to experience a dip in stock value at the end of the year, likely due to people spending more money on presents than minis during the holiday season), I would predict that GW is a decent investment in the 5-to-10 year range. In other words: no, GW isn't slowly dying, its holding steady. This can be next to death if a company doesn't do anything about it: which GW is. The sky is not falling.
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>>45111374
No, they seem to live by the phrase 'willful ignorance'.

It's so ridiculously over the top, that I have wondered if management is purposely trying to go out of business. A lot of the people I know who are 'sticking it out' in regards to 40k are even coming to the end of their ropes.

Even if they released a streamlined brb, and 16 perfectly balanced codexes, TODAY. I dont think it would be enough. The demise of 40k as we've known it for the past 20 years, is inevitable. Until the past few months I thought it was just a rough patch. But this isnt a rough patch. Its a fundamental disconnect with the players and the industry. And Id guess its got 5 years left at the most. Then GW will likely try to re-invent the game, whuch we've all seen how that goes.
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>>45110857
Please tell me you're just pretending to be retarded.
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>>45111630
Seeing that GW experienced an uptick in stock value after AoS, and even after correction, still appears to be slightly more valuable, I suspect you are wrong about WHFB making money, or, at least, as much money as you imply.

Linking to my previous post so that all interested can take a look at the 1-year data for themselves.
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>>45111631
Wouldn't that be sad, a cabal desperately trying to drive a business into the ground but failing.
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>>45111059
Why is White Dwarf STILL White Dwarf. Shouldn't it be White Duardin? I'm not even trying to shit post but why isn't it
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>>45111582
Eh the problem with WHFB was that Kirby thought the solution was "make hordes so good that anybody who doesn't run them will get stomped, that means they'll buy more boxes, which means more money!", what he didn't realise, as he's a prick, was that little timmy comes in, wants to get into WHFB, gets told he needs 300 Clan Rats, 500 Skaven Slaves, 100 Storm Vermin and all the clobber to go with it, and the price tag baulks the parent. Then he sees 40k, where an army can be anything from 40 models to 400. Which made it the cheaper option (relatively, though in reality GW has increased their prices bout £2.50 in total, but added shit loads more stuff to sprues).

Anyway, WHFB was already struggling, Kirby just ended it with the rules idea. AoS, no matter what people say, is at least a way to get kids into it. Where 5 models is a legal army, for example. It's not great for old players, not supporting it, but I hope it means that more players join AoS and I can finally have games again.

My guess is it'll do a WHFB, couple of editions will be minor rules, then they'll get more complex.

It sucks, but, there we go.
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>>45111714
>uplift in stock
>drove away their oldest fans, caused huge amounts of bad will with LGS's and blew a hole in sales so large the hugely popular Betrayal at Calth could not fill it even with all the WHFB fans panic buying models to finish their armies.

All that proves is that stock price does not seem to accurately represent what is going on.

And the only reason WHFB was getting less profitable was GW's own stupidity.
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>>45111776
>I can finally have games again.

Why don't you play an actual good game.And they raised the prices to even more insane levels for AoS, its still going to drive people away.

I doubt AoS will even get a second edition, if they are willing to bin their oldest IP that casually why would they keep AoS around given its terrible performance?
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>>45111630
No one mentioned share prices anon. Not sure why you decided to spaz out about them.

I mentioned sales have been shrinking every year for 5 (6?) years. Which actually is the proverbial sky falling. Cutting the fat and corporate trickery have kept profits flat for the past few years, but that doesnt work forever. Eventually you need sales to level off, or perhaps even increase. But the opposite is happening.

I get that you like 40k, I do too. And I want it to remain a successful game for a long time. But that isnt guaranteed.

Googling GW's share prices over the past decade isnt an argument. Its one piece of the discussion, and not a particularly relevant one. Shares are one metric used to measure the health of a company. If you think that picture you googled is impenetrable armor for GW - try googling Chrysler and GM's decade leading up to their total collapse. And they would not exist today had the Federal government not decided to bail them out with tax dollars.

GW is not special. If sales continue to shrink, or the shrink accelerates, you'll see.
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>>45111695
In what respect, anon? What have I done wrong there?

I was pointing out the reaction of /tg/ and several other communities. I wasn't supporting, nor attacking anything. I also mentioned bringing back the 90's models, unless you think the CAD stuff we get is fantastic? I dunno. I think some is good, some is meh, some is not my cup of tea. The BA Chaplain recently released was cool. I liked the exclusive SM Captains. Ad Mech were cool. But these are meh.

Oh, and protip, I advise you to read up on Socratic Irony. It's part of Socratic Method. I forget I'm on 4chan sometimes and this has been dumbed down, or altered, into "pretending to be retarded".

>>45111742
Guess it's because White Dwarf is a copyrightable 'thing', while Dwarf is not. They copyright Grombrindal, but not Dwarf. Since Grombrindal is the "White Dwarf", that's protectable.
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>>45111630
>>45111714

GW shill detected.
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>>45111844
See, terrible performance, I've not seen anything to support this outside of claims that FLGS is selling it for 70% off and stuff.

I'm fine if it is, but I've not seen any solid evidence for it.

As for binning the IP. Well, the alternative was nothing at all. Not only was it losing money (though people deny it was) but it was not defensible from a legal point of view. Blame Chapter House for that.

As for raising the prices, when 5 models is a legal army, it's still going to be less than WHFB. I don't think GW cares as long as it makes more money than WHFB was.

Binning it casually is a bit harsh, they did spend over a year releasing novels and campaign books and models and shit for it, I don't think it was done casually, but that's my opinion.

But I would appreciate some actual evidence of AoS doing terrible, some financial statements or something. I know GW's profits dropped to £16m instead of £16.6m, but since the specialist games studio was set up, could be the culprit.

As I said, if you have any solid evidence, it'd be nice to see so I can discuss with people i talk/play with about it.
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>>45111910
Nah, just a typical layman. People with no background or experience in how a public company runs usually gravitate to share prices as a simple black/white metric.
When someone posts a google image of a graph displaying market performance over a period - you can probably just ignore them.
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>>45109802
Same in Fantasy, since 3e before 40k existed.
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>>45109352
I wouldn't mind running poses, but they aren't even that, theyre literally one leg raised awkwardly or directly up, it looks weird and not fluid
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>>45109834
Actually, they dumbed a lot of End Times lore and advanced and resolved a lot of End Time plotlines.
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>>45111910
>>45111859
>>45111802
I'm not acting like I've made a foolproof argument: I'm simply saying that GW has SOMETHING going for them right now. Now, I'm willing to guess that "something" very well might be "clever economic legerdemain", but GW does appear to be taking honest steps to make the company more stable. That, and I'm a contrarian who gets tired of hearing "THIS IS THE END FOR GW" literally every single time a new piece of data comes to light, regardless of its nature. But this is a containment thread for that, so I really don't know what else I was expecting.
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>>45111332
>>45111429
GW is dying? It has been for fucking years. This shit is getting boring, if it's dying, why isn't it dead yet?

If GW is dying "slowly", then, I guess you're right. Everybody is dying "slowly", it's called living. Call me when Hasbro or Mattel takes over like people have been claiming for the last 10 years will happen. I couldn't give a toss one way or another, but it's bollocks at this point, every year I read this and every year I go "do I sell my mins now, or do I wait?" and every year I don't, or I sell some, and nothing happens. GW isn't dead by the end of the year. I keep getting told it'll get worse yet the evidence seems to show improvement in stock prices, which is the mark of health in a company.

What the fuck is happening? Do you guys know something I don't? It's blowing my mind out seeing this every year, I don't want to dismiss it as 'shitposting;, as it happens every year and thus it's dedicated fucking shitposting if that's the case.

What is happening? I keep seeing GW is bleeding and dying, I was told this in 2004 as well, that Hasbro was coming to swoop in now GW had stopped being a "distributor" for WotC, it never happened. Just like SoB never got updated despite being told they would in 2006.

Driving me nuts, which is it? If they're dying, when is it going to drop dead? I need to know.
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>>45112074
Confirmation bias. They want GW to fail, so they interpret all evidence they see as evidence that GW is dying.
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>>45112074
>and thus it's dedicated fucking shitposting if that's the case
GW's popular and bullied anon when he was in grade school playing alternative games you've probably never heard of, like Confrontation or Urban War.
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>>45111974
There is nothing on paper proving the success/failure of AoS.

But the general reaction online, anecdotal evidence from flgs', starter boxes going for 60% on Amazon, and stagnant sales (here on the west coast at least) are all we have. There are flgs' that refused to carry AoS, and dropped GW products altogether. So thats also not good.

When you take it all into account, it paints a pretty bleak picture of AoS. Which makes perfect sense doesnt it? How big do you think the market is for a tabletop wargame with few rules/guidelines for creating an engaging experience. And though the starter set was reasonably priced, the new kits are absurdly priced, even by GW standards.

The writing is on the wall anon, the ship isnt yet sinking - but itis definately taking on water. Its ok to acknowledge that, it doesnt mean you hate GW. It means you arent an obtuse retard.
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>>45111802
It's most likely that speculation on a new brand drove up the value. To understand how well the stock price matches the health of the company you'd have to understand who the shareholders are and how well they know the market GW is in. My suspicion is that they probably don't understand very well, unless the shareholders are mostly level-headed fans.
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>>45112104
nobody wants to see gw fail (well maybe some) we just like seeing gw get hurt for making stupid decisions
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>>45112074
Its gibberish. GW is going through a rough patch, yes, but it doesn't yet look apocalyptic. /tg/ is just infested with contrarians who will trumpet Armageddon at a tile falling off of a house, and bitter grognards who want GW to die for making editions past Rogue Trader.
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>>45112132
not to mention all the fantasy players who left are probbaly supporting other games
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>>45112145
I definitely do want to see GW die. I just don't see it happening within the next 5, or even 10, years.
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>>45111802
I don't think it was GW's stupidity, but Kirby. He is poisoning the company and he's still there under some special title despite being EVENTUALLY forced from his fucking tyranical position.

GW has done some stuff recently which has improved my opinion of them. Knight Titans came back, which was sweet. Cult Mechanicus and Skiitari was an amazing release and I can't wait for more. Forge World doing great models (Dread Saurian, Thanatar and so on). The novels were interesting, especially this new Beast Arises series.

As for AoS? Well, WHFB wasn't surviving and Kirby basically killed it. I saw a marked drop from about 5th onwards as 40k got more popular. Kirby just ended it with "le hordes to win" and letting Ward go fucking insane with his fucking Elf faggots. Who the fuck thought it was 'fair' to let Initiative 6 Elves get Always Strikes First (meaning re-rolls against everything lower than 6, so, 90% of all models) and Fights in Extra Rank (meaning a horde of Spearmen can go to 50 strong and all attack FIRST, meaning you need an equally strong horde to resist that, meaning on Chaos Warriors, Dwarfs or Lizardmen had a chance, while Elves vs Elves slaughtered each other) then allowing High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves have access to like 10 lores (oh and giving Lizardmen literally the same shit as High Elves, thanks!) coupled with all the extra bits and fucking bobs.

It was a nightmare to play Elves, it was bloated as fuck, just like 40k is getting.

Ah I've ranted enough.
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>>45111871
>copyright
You mean trademark.
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>>45112166
All 10 of them?

*rimshot*

Nah. Kidding. It's more like 20.
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>>45111974
No the alternative was they reduce all plastic infantry to £1 a model, stop pushing huge games and units, get rid of the idiotic 8th edition rules and start interacting with their community again. Fantasy did fine before they drove people away.
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>>45112104
No we want them to stop being grasping shitheads and go back to being the company we liked.

>>45112189
>knight titans

That is just emblematic of the horrible direction 40k is going in that started with Apocalypse.

They got rid of Epic and now they are selling huge kits they make a fortune off for regular 40k, a game in entirely the wrong scale.
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>>45112132
See, all these people claiming to refuse to carry AoS, has anybody got evidence of this? Like, does anybody have names of these FLGS? Has anybody got contact emails so I can ask to confirm this? I'm going on what people say online. Which isn't unbiased, regardless of supporting ot attacking. I want to confirm what is being said. The starter boxes going for 60% on Amazon, can I have links to this? Proof of recipes? Proof of listing? There must be some evidence for this. Taking a picture of it isn't enough, since Inspect Element is great for editing shit. So I would like to see the actual page. Reaction online isn't anything to go on either, as I am sure that a lot of the negativity is from people who never played WHFB, let alone touched a model. Ever noticed how shit like "Ork weapons work cause they believe they work" got spread around despite no evidence that says this (though some implies it)? Or how "Orks don't get sick any more cause Nurgle got beat up by Gork and Mork"? I don't want to use this term, but the word "meme" is something that comes across. I've seen people say outright false things alongside saying AoS is bad and evil and whatever. It's hard to trust what is said online, especially /tg/, /v/, Dakkadakka, Whineseer, Heresy Online and loads of other sites.

Remember before AoS? We had people spouting shit like "Lizardmen have been squatted, it's going to be a 5 faction WHFB, humans + dwarfs + ogres as one, Elves as another, Chaos as another, Skaven as another, Undead as another"? It was all bollocks. It was stuff spread and taken as gospel truth.

I'm not supporting AoS, or GW, but if something is being stated, ergo, a claim, then the Burden of Proof is on the claimant. As such, is me asking for proof of these 60% off (I'd like to see and might buy them for bitzbox work), stagnant sales and the names of FLGS that refused to stock them, so I can check.

I dunno man. I just want evidence so I know to call it a day.
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>>45112293
>got rid of Epic

You know that's coming back, right? It's been confirmed for months now, you do know that, right? The proof is literally in this thread, GW announced it around Xmas time.
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>>45112317
>I'm not supporting AoS, or GW, but I will protect and shill for them
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>>45112317
>I am sure that a lot of the negativity is from people who never played WHFB, let alone touched a model

It would help if you avoided absurd arguments only used by AoS fanboys trying to defend their game.
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>>45110603

this guy speaks truth.
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>>45112338
What does that have to do with my post? And why are you typing in a deliberately provocative manner?

Even when Epic comes out GW won't suddenly cease production of all the models that have no place in 40k and go back to when seeing a huge walker or a super heavy tank was a rare event.

Ah the days when you had to get permission to use that stuff.
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>>45112317
If you cant find an AoS starter for 60% retail its because you dont want to. Believe whatever you want, no ones gonna do the bitchwork for you.
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>>45112234
Funny, since AoS, the PPM of Saurus Warriors and Saurus Guard has FALLEN. Kinda odd.

As I said, hordes were the problem. Remove the hordes and WHFB would have shuffled along.

Thing is, anon, I don't know how much business acumen you have, you might run your own multimillion dollar business, I don't know, but without knowing a bit more detail, it's a bit hard to go "Do this and that would have solved everything", cause we don't know if it would have.

If we can use anedotal evidence to say AoS is failing, I can use it to say WHFB was barely alive. My area had 5-7 WHFB players. Two were Elves, one Skaven, one Ogre, one VC, and two Empire (and one also Dorf, he loved cannons). We played each other over and over. Kids weren't interested when we went into the bunkers, it was 40k. That was it. GW doesn't care about grognards, we have spent our money, they care about getting Timmy to make an impulse buy. WHFB wasn't doing it. I dunno if it was the rules, or the daunting task of making that many models, but it wasn't getting new blood.

If they had gone back to 5th edition with some modifications, maybe it would have worked. Hell, I thought they should have done a Lord of the Rings route, personally, but they didn't.

Now we are where we are. Either way, WHFB was failing and I don't think it could have been saved with minor changes.

Kinda irrelevant now, huh?
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>>45112451
Hello GW.
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>>45112449
Okay, I did say Burden of Proof, but I guess that's something that doesn't exist in these arguments? You made the claim, back it up... but I guess not.

>>45112349
How? I just want to see these evidence, have you ever possibly thought I want this evidence to prove shills wrong? Thought of that? Yet I've never seen any evidence posted, ever, along with this claims.

>>45112378
So, what you're saying is, the comments you can read on /v/ are from hard core WHFB players? Yet when I ask "post your army", they can't even post a list of their models, let alone a picture to prove it? You get the same old "I sold my army", which is real convenient. I didn't sell mine, I still play WHFB.

I'd like to know how it's absurd, I didn't state is as fact, I said "I am sure", which is a saying. I never said all of it, I said a lot of it. Which is true. Because, guess what, WHFB players have either ditched GW or have gone on to 9th. I know, cause I play both 8th and 9th (modified) with my groups. They don't moan about AoS, they just get on with what we've always got on with, playing models. One of them said he might get the new dorf models and make up some rules, do we care? Nope. You're literally going "if you ask for proof, you must be a fanboy, accept what I said, goy!"
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>>45112449
not that faggot, but come the fuck on anon, learn this and it'l lmake arguments easier, prove to him and btfo.
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>>45112543
>How?
>AoS is not bad
>AoShaters is just shitposters
>GW maded everything right
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>>45112451
The grognards are vital and it was catastrophically stupid of GW to deliberately alienate them. They spend an order of magnitude more than the kids ever will and they are the ones in wargame shops who introduce new people to games. There were many thriving WHFB communities that GW has devastated and nothing has showed up to replace them and give GW money. GW stores are ghost towns and the LGS's are full of people who will tell kids to play anything BUT Age of Sigmar.

Also I am talking about the new models, you know the ones going for £3.50 EACH.
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>>45112483
>guy attacks GW
>'Hello GW.'

are shitposters not even reading what people say any more? lol
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>>45112592

>There were many thriving WHFB communities

Where? Not in the US of A. I have lived on both coasts and it's all 40k or Warmachine. And X-Wing now, I guess.
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>>45112543
No, what I am saying is that its childish to just deny any criticism of AoS or GW as being from someone who never played the game.

You have absolutely zero basis for assuming 'a lot of it' is from people who never played it. What possible reason could people who had no stake or interest in the game have to do that?

Why can you not accept the people who invested years of their life and thousands of dollars are pissed off? Also a huge number of WHFB players DID sell their models.
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>>45112647
America, Europe, other places. And many of them are dead now. Unless you have lived in literally every big town in the USA you don't get to claim they did not exist.
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>>45112411
>Typing in a deliberately provocative manner
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Face it, miniature wargames as a whole are on the decline besides X-Wing, same with published in-store TTRPGs, board games and CCG/TCG are what is on the rise.
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All I know is that I refuse to play any GW games while Guardsmen are almost $3 per model.
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>>45112586
Where did I say AoS is not bad? Where? Go on, point out where I fucking said that. Oh, wait, you can't, you're just shitposting. Here is your (You).

>>45112592
Oh right, yeah, new models are expensive. But, devils avocado, you don't need 200 of them any more. I've got about £1500 worth of Lizardmen and £200ish of DE's. So maybe I'm not the best person to talk about it, but I don't think you need that many models. Maybe I've wrong.

As for devastating WHFB communities... It hasn't really in my experience. We've been shocked, yes, but we've picked up 8th and gone "let's see how we can fix this" and worked on it. 9th is being done by /tg/ for example, I take ideas from it and modify other things. Like I've brought back Slann Disciplines that gave Loremaster (Yeah yeah, inb4 OP) and fiddled with bits and bobs with other things (Kroxigor with Devastating Charge for example) and just got on with it. AoS hasn't changed anything for me. As for the new models popping up for AoS, I've not taken any as I don't need them, but friends have taken some and work on new rules for them or use them as proxies.

As for grognards being vital. If you have, like me, hundreds of models of a single army, I'm not going to buy many more. Yet little Timmy can be sold multiple boxes of things, along with all the tools and paints and stuff, which is where the money comes from. We're already on plastic crack, a drug dealer doesn't just stop with his current customers, he pushes it on others.

But, maybe you have evidence to support your claims, I'm going on what I saw over the 90's and early 2000's before I stopped going to bunkers.
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>>45112682
>Face it, board games as a whole are on the decline besides Monopoly, same with CCG/TCG. Video games are what is on the rise.
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>>45112647

>NYC, D.C., ATL, SEA,Z technically SF..

Close enough.
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>>45112411
>>45112338

What kind of form will new epic take? A boxed game? What scale?

The only thing we have is a vague promise to revisit old lines. Will they be updating rulesets with expanding model lines like before, or boxed games like Space Hulk and Dreadfleet, their new "Man-o-war"?
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>>45112730

Technically true but video games don't directly compete in an odd turn of events.
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>>45112736
>What kind of form will new epic take?
$20 for a 6mm Land Raider.
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>>45112659
Because I was talking about /v/. You ever been to /v/? This is the board that hates Undertale because of it's fanbase. Where it'll rabidly attack anything because of the hive mind. I've seen this shit work. Example, over the last couple of months, 40k threads popped up a lot on /v/, so I enter them. People talked about Space Hulk: Deathwing. Now, I read an article about how it seemed to have gone dark and how facts seemed to point towards problems with development. I posted the article once. Over the next half a dozen or so threads, I saw the article being posted to people asking about Deathwing.

My point is, people will believe, repeat, and spread stuff, even if it's wrong. Ever noticed how the word "autism" suddenly sprung up despite it rarely, if ever, appearing over the last decade on 4chan? Or how bout projecting? Or cuck? Or 'senpai'? Or 'desu'? Or logical fallacies or dozens of other things? You read something. You repeat it. Enoguh people pick it up and repeat it.

Therefore, when I'm on /v/, a board which is disliked and called /b/2.0, I do not trust what people say. If you do, power to you, but I do not. On /tg/? Yeah, I can assume people going "AoS sucks!!! WHFB WAS GOAT!" actually played WHFB at some point.

On /v/? Nope. I want proof of that shit.

As for me, I also spent thousands of dollars on WHFB, want me to list off my total model count?
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>>45112736
Blood Bowl is the first. We've seen the new models. If the rumours are true, GW will do regular box with Orcs vs Humans. 15 models each side. Then Forge World will cover the other teams. Though I can't remember where I read that.

As for the rest? Nobody knows. All we know is Epic, Necromunda and Battlefleet Gothic are the other mentioned by name games. They also say "many many more". So I assume Mordheim, Gorkamorka, Dreadlfeet/Man'O'War (which is also getting a vidya) and maybe Talisman games?

I don't think Warhammer Historicals is coming back, then again, don't think anybody remembers them.
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>>45112847
Get ready for Age of Blood Bowl.
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>>45112543
Well, I guess I just dont give a fuck about the burden of proof in an AoS starter box argument with some GW apologist in 4chan?

Pay full retail, dont believe, do believe, I dont care man.
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>>45112760

Works for Flames of War!
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>>45112866
Why? Blood Bowl was in an alternate universe ANYWAY. Why would it have anything to do with AoS? It's the same board game as before.

Since Man O War is getting a (crappy looking) vidya, I assume that is too. Remember Battlefleet Gothic is getting a video game. Mordheim got a video game. Bloodbowl got 5 video games recently, Bloodbowl 2 was out recenently.

In short, GW has got video versions of most of it's popular games in development. Which leaves two:

Necromunda
Gorkamorka

As the two non-video games. We'll see how this pans out, but my guess is we'll see an announcement for one or two at E3 (also I'm betting on Dawn of War 3).
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>>45112736
The new epic is confirmed to be going to a different scale than the old epic.

Gotta stop folks from using those old models!
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>>45112932
It's actually $9 per tank, at least for Team Yankee.
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>>45112899
Mate, all I want is you to provide proof of what you claim. Why is that hard? I'm not buying shit. You've made a claim and you've not backed it up. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm not saying you're making this up to shitpost, I'm just saying "can you give me the link to prove it?". Why is that difficult? When I got looking, I come up with the regular sites, Wayland Games, Gifts for Geeks, etc etc.

I don't see any for 60% off. I don't get why something you say is a fact, something that can prove to me it's struggling, is beyond you? Can you at least give me the website this happened on? Because I can't find shit, mate. All I want is some proof so I can bookmark it and use it in discussion with a couple of mates of mine.

I don't get why asking for help in finding something is cause for this kind of response. Fuck sake, /tg/ used to get shit done...
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>>45112961
I suppose you have source?
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>>45112899
First item on the list for an ebay search of AoS starter set is a still shrinkwrapped one for $74.99 plus free shipping. Not sure what retail is but thats about 50-60%.

Same search on Amazon had the first one listed at $90 plus free shipping.

When shit is readily available at that deep of a discount, its because its not selling. That burden of proof faggot is just a lazy GW apologist. No matter what anyone says he will have a comeback.

Time will prove that GW is fucking up, simple as that. If you disagree then you are a full blown retard, no exceptions.
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>>45112378
But that's how /tg/ works. 90% of people shitting on BL are just parroting half truths and outright lies they once heard here. Not to mention all the 4chan memes, like Orks can magic everything into being with their WAAAGH field or Baneblades were light scout tanks during the DAoT.
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>>45112736
If I was GW I'd be careful about Epic.
The fact that there's a very much alive second hand market, including fan-made models (that are better than the real thing) and re-casts of most of the popular kits means that it's pretty easy to just waste effort. They make some kind of epic 40k boxed game with 2 factions and maybe some expansion, and let forgeworld pick up the slack, and suddenly everyone who's never heard of it before realizes that they can buy better epic minis for cheaper off shady individuals on /tg/ or tactcom.

The titan kits that some nerd copied from forgeworld and re-did at epic scale, printed and made molds from are one bajillion times better than the forgeworld epic kits, I don't really see that changing.
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>>45113008
Fuck you faggot. It wouldve been faster to check amazon or ebay yourself than to continue preaching about burden of proof from atop your high horse. Consider suicide.
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>>45112961
Forgeworld interview from a few weeks back.
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Dear God this thread, I'm a SW player and don't like the new SW either but all this ciclejerking and shitposting isn't even fun, just ignore it anons
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>>45113091
I was the guy he was replying to, I meant /v/, not /tg/, so that's probably worse...

>>45113125
RIGHT. Thanks. Amazon. Right. Ebay. Right. Okay. That's a start. But that's how arguments work, anon. Why is it beyond you to prove evidence to your claims? Why? As for considering suicide, I do, daily. But mainly because of people like yourself who are incapable of backing up their argument with facts and instead resort to ad homs.
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>>45113125

Anon is lying, Amazon still has them posted at ~80 USD at the lowest, hardly a massive 60% off or whatever they are claiming.
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>>45113083

>retailed at $100 or so
>50-60% off

C'mon now, stop lying.
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>>45113238
You replied to the guy claiming it was 60% off. Not to me. Also, I checked. It was 20% off. Just like Wayland Games. In short, typical 3rd party seller % off.

Wayland Games sells everything 10%-25% off. 40k included. So, I don't know what's going on.

>>45113125
I could only find the 20% average mate, can you show me the 60%? I've looked on Amazon.
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Weeeelllpp.
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>>45113083
>$75
>Sold for $100 RRP
>25% = 50%-60% in Anon-land

I'm confused anon, does 1% = 2% where you live?
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>>45113145
Any chance for a link? That's terrible news if it's true but I haven't seen anything about it on the epic forums.
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>>45113226
Im capable faggot, as demonstrated. I just didnt feel like looking it up for you. And the fact that youd rather make several lengthy, preachy posts about 'burden of proof' instead of just doing a simple search yourself.. Idk man. You're just a typical faggot I guess. But anyway, fuck you, fuck your mother, and kill yourself. Seriously though, kill yourself. From this brief little interaction with you on an anonymous message board, you've managed to spotlight your semantical, argumentative, egotistic personality. Everyone hates you, I can guarantee it.
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>>45113301
It's seriously 125 burgerdollars in GW's webstore.

So 80 dollar is something like 65% of the GW price.

I don't think there are any 40k kits where the price difference is that huge when you compare asking price on ebay or look up cheap webstores and compare it to GW.

That said, a few ebay sellers aren't the ultimate proof or anything, there are still kits being sold for 100usd+ shipping, so 80 is far from the standard price.
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>>45113329
RRP is $125, not $100.
$75 would be 40% off.
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>>45113329
All these people who can't read, I'm not even the guy who made the claim but you realize that 60% of retail is not 60% OFF, right? It means 60% of the recommended price.
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>>45113301

You are lying. AoS starter retails at $125.
Buy it on ebay for $75 + free shipping Thats 40% off. Theres your AoS starter for 60%.

Now what faggot.
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>>45113328
What ever happened to The Lord Inquisitor? I know they made it a 60min film, but I've not seen shit for like 5 years.

>>45113339
I've tried to find this interview, I can't.

>>45113349
That's cool anon. But I'd look to see psychological help, projection isn't a nice thing. As for being 'capable', demonstrably not, anon-kun. Despite the fact others have already proven you wrong with the 60% off claim, it's now up to you to prove it. But you can't.

But, I'm glad I made you feel anon, that you felt anger to somebody you've only had a brief interaction with. But, that is seriously unhealthy, and I suggest you check with a physician about possible high blood pressure. Also, I would advise an anger management course, you're also suffering from some serious issues. I don't know, maybe your dad abused you, or left when you were young. Maybe your mother wasn't there for you, or died when you were young. I dunno.

But I believe in you, anon-kun, I know you can get better. Don't hide in the dark, anon, we care about you. 4chan is a place where you can talk about anything, you're anonymous, nobody knows who you are. We can encourage you to seek the professional help you desperately need.

As I said, I believe in you anon, if you were in front of me, I'd give you a hug. Maybe we could have a drink and have a few games of 40k or WHFB or something. It's OK anon, it'll be OK.

We're here, anon, we're here, but tackling your crippling anger issues, your projection defence mechanism and several other major personality flaws, is something for a professional to deal with.

We're here, as I said, want to add me on skype or something? We can talk there. Maybe make a thread after your first appointments? Either way, good luck anon, it'll be OK.

It's all going to be OK. I don't hate you, anon. Maybe in another world we were friends and you didn't act like this, alas, we're in this dimension.

It's going to be OK, anon. It's going to be A-OK! =3
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>>45113339
T. B. H. old epic was a bit too small probably due to them originally just being Titans and then adding the infantry etc
Titans in epic should be 60 cm or so
Then infantry could be a good size
Of course Emperor class would then be the size of 40k Knights
Actually sounds good
Superheavy the size of normal tank
Leviathans size of land raider
Tau Manta size of a vendetta
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>>45113432
Oh, was it? Never mind. Shame it's not 60%, would have been nice. As for Amazon, I can't find any there.

>>45113481
Yeah, sorry, not the other guys either, just random gguy passing thru.
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>>45113432
Lets see... 40% off... carry the 2...

HOLY SHIT
AOS STARTER SETS FOR 60%

JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A GW FAGGOT IS AN AOS FAGGOT.

Kindly fuck yourselves, all of you.
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>>45113521
So still no link, just retarded opinions?
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>>45113511
It wasnt a 60% off claim, but you knew that. heres your reply anyway.
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>>45113487

>40% = 60%

Wut
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>>45113562
I'm not the one you're arguing I came back to this thread after searching for a share of the new AoS book
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>>45113511
god damn you typed all that out are you a girl? date me
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>>45113591
40% off equals 60% of retail.
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>>45113432
>>45113481
>>45113546
Right, I thought the guy was claiming it was 60% OFF. Not 60%. That's all I wanted. As for Ebay, fair enough, I'm looking at Wayland Games, a 3rd party reseller, it's doing it for 80%. Which is the average for all their products. Ebay is rather good for bargains as it is.

>>45113591
He means the price of the product is 60%. Not 60% off. In short, every 3rd party seller, like Wayland Games, sells products for 80%, 40k and AoS. Which means it's 20% off RRP. When in fact they meant it was 40% off and selling it at 60%. Which is on Ebay. Which is a rather common thing.
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>>45113636

Going from $125 to $75 is a 40% reduction, not 60%.

125 * .40 = 50, 125 - 50 = 75

Please at least use basic math when shit posting about this stuff.
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>>45113511
it's literally scheduled for like a 2017 release

http://preview.thelordinquisitor.com/
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>>45113585
Actually, the original guy asked for the 60% off proof, and the guy didn't correct him then. It was his fault for assuming when somebody went 60% of, they meant 60% off, not 60% of RRP. Which isn't that odd for Ebay.
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>>45113680
I think you're shitposting now, pretending to be others.

They've already said they didn't mean "60% off RRP" they said "60% of RRP". Which meant the selling price is 60%. It's a complicated way of saying 40% off
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>>45113598
But a simple google search with last month filter
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/01/gw-adeptus-titanicus-latest.html
Now it's a reported conversation with
Hoare so who knows for sure
But the lead in with the production means that GW will be careful about what they announce outright
Think about it - GW say they are going to do 50 mil Titans (my post had typo not 60cm 60mm)
It takes them 6 months to get ready
Some American knock off merchant slap crap versions in 2 months then uses biased American courts to sue game workshop
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>Blood Angels Chaplain with Jet Pack
>£20
>Blood Angels Chaplain with Jet Pack from Ebay
>£17

Holy shit. 75%. 40k is fucking dying.
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>>45113680
Go back thru the posts retard. No one ever said 60% off. It was always "AoS starters for 60%"

Read slower anon, you arent as smart as you think you are.

>basic math

Basic reading comprehension.
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>>45113767
I think he's falseflagging. I was the original guy who misread it as "60% off RRP" when it was "60% of RRP". I wasn't corrected at the start, so I assumed that was what was meant, was just treated to bullshit.

somebody else came in, said some shit, now I think he's trying to falseflag... which is a pretty common thing these days.

So, yes, it's 60%, being 40% off RRP. Most 3rd parties sell 25% off.
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>>45113735
>It's a complicated way of saying 40% off
Well, if we're being honest, it's an attempt to trick you into thinking the discount is bigger than it actually is.
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>Dark Vengeance
>Ebay
>65% RRP

Wait, so 40k is fucked too? Guess GW is really dying if it's flogging DV at 35% off.
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>>45113840
Thanks anon

>the man who was tricked to death.jpg

All of this for a a simple trick? I must applaud your efforts.

>>45113616
If I was anon, I would go out with you for a ass rending angry sex pounding.
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The black mace was cursed by all of the traitor primarchs I'm pretty sure that it was also worldbreaker a fucking primarch weapon. But apparently that is just about on par with a chilled thunder hammer? >>45109808
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>>45111974
>Blame Chapter House for that

Bullshit. Why did people buy stuff from CH? They weren't getting what they wanted from GW. It's like the music industry blaming pirates for falling sales, when it was said music industry's insatiable greed that caused customers to source their product elsewhere.
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>>45109213
looks like the guy on the right is eating a plasma shot to the face.
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>>45113922
Just getting all the primarch to focus in something and cursing it should be way more awesome.

Unless is something like
>FULGRIM, STOP FUCKING DAEMONS, THIS OBJECT NEEDS YOU, LEAVE THE DRUGS THERE!

>Oh, curse that boring thing! What's the problem?

>....Nothing, that's it, bye.
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>>45111059

if the quality of games will be equal to the quality of that pamphlet we are in for a pretty good laugh
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Why not play historicals? It's much cheaper than GW games, and it's got much better fluff.
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>>45109580
7th made me stop buying, AoS made me eBay what I already had.

That said, I wouldn't mind Grimnar's stupid sleigh if it were priced reasonably and the rules had more than five minutes' thought put into them.
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>>45111714

are you really this stupid or just shilling this much?

share prices do not matter now when the company isn't doing as bad as they could because of three factors this year: strong british currency, increased revenue from IPs (mainly whfb video games by the way), and cutting costs with the new shop model. These three could help them out to only post a 2.5% loss despite their sales being down more than 15% this year. All these three are not sustainable ways to get revenue, so you can't build on them. Realize this: the main operating area of the company was down 15%. That's a ridiculous loss, and all happened after AoS came, doesn't matter that they hit a fuckton of homeruns with 30k and 40k this year. Only the shills don't wanna see the correlation. There's a reason why there was 0 (zero) AoS models in the GW top28 sellers last year

Now that GBP is falling, you will experience an even worse decline the next half, and that will be the point where the shareholders react. Why don't you post the one-month sample by the way? You know, to see the shareholders reaction to the half-year report? Because then your shilling would not work, and people could see that the sweet number which is 526 now was 621 early january?
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>>45112204

30% of GW's revenue, by the chapterhouse legal documents. If 20 players were playing fantasy then 36 players did 40k. They most be pretty fucking rich guys, around 60 peeps maintaining GW profitable
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>>45109213
Who else is reminded of Alfabusa's Custodes?
I mean,
>Almost naked
>Silly poses
>AYAYAYAYAAAAAAYYYYY
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>>45112317

here you fuckwit, first three buy it now result for the 'age of sigmar starter' search:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-Fantasy-Age-of-Sigmar-Starter-Set-BRAND-NEW-FACTORY-SEALED-BOX-NIB-/321898125538?hash=item4af29f98e2:g:J8gAAOSw14xWJaO2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CITADEL-GAMES-WORKSHOP-WARHAMMER-AGE-OF-SIGMAR-STARTER-SET-SEALED-/272118184452?hash=item3f5b81fa04:g:RI8AAOSw9mFWMVGn

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Warhammer-Age-of-Sigmar-Complete-Starter-Set-New-IN-BOX-Must-see-/161959859856?hash=item25b58f5690:g:kj4AAOSw37tV-XOD

So yeah, the anon was really wrong, you can get it for 50% not for 60%. And these are the buy it now prices, which are the last resorts of an ebayer, you will get it for 30-40% at auctions
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>>45112543
>How? I just want to see these evidence, have you ever possibly thought I want this evidence to prove shills wrong? Thought of that? Yet I've never seen any evidence posted, ever, along with this claims.

This is the point where it is evident you are a lying fucking shill. Millions of ebay auctions have been posted, hell in the AoS thread there were guys buying starters for $40 from another dudes FLGS

I realize that your tactic might be working with people who have not followed the scene, but why the fuck do you do this when someone like this guy >>45115335 just destroys you if he spends the 1 minutes required on it?
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>>45112727
>9th is being done by /tg/ for example, I take ideas from it and modify other things

Rofl, at least you would read about the shit you are spewing, holy fuck... /tg/ has nothing to do with 9th, never did 9th, most of them even dislike 9th, which is done by the ETC/Swedish comp guys, on their own forums

You are so disconnected from reality it even hurts. Whatever GW is paying you is too much
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>>45113301
>>45113329

>doesn't even know the retail price is $125
>tries to change '60% of retail' to '60% OFF retail'

dude, you are just pathetic at this point
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>>45113638
>He means the price of the product is 60%. Not 60% off. In short, every 3rd party seller, like Wayland Games, sells products for 80%, 40k and AoS. Which means it's 20% off RRP. When in fact they meant it was 40% off and selling it at 60%. Which is on Ebay. Which is a rather common thing.


Common thing my ass. Look at the Dark Vengeance starter:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=dark+vengeance+warhammer+40k&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xdark+vengeance+starter.TRS0&_nkw=dark+vengeance+starter&_sacat=0

65 quids/110 usd retail price, the cheapest you will find not counting the opened one with missing pieces is 20% off

Only the AoS starter is tanking hard, other starters/old WHFB starters kept their value for years.
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>>45113851

show me the link of new unopened dark vengeance box selling for 65% you faggot
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>>45115770
If anything, the old WHFB starters have gone up in value.
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>>45109213
>about to get into 40k tabletop, finally
>read this thread
<mfw
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>>45115327
I'll buy almost naked, silly posed marines for my emperor's children. AWAKEN MY MASTERS.

This is just retarded. Is not wat space wolves were suposed to be.
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I like the models too mauch butthurt in this thread
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>>45111332
>They've pulled out all the tricks in attempts to stop the bleeding,
HEY GUYS, LET'S MAKE THE GAME UNPLAYABLE!

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if GW was intentionally aping the Imperium of Man, only to declare when they go bankrupt that they were only pretending to be retarded.
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