>>45109230 >that one nid warrior >that look of horror as fabulous muscle werewolves are about to dance then murder his brood easily >that look of horror as he'll never please the hivemind and murder these things
>>45109889 >But 5e in general was the whole All Space Marines codexes suffered from special snowflake syndrome. Most of them have been toned down or leveled out. When will the Space Yiff's wild ride end?
>>45109824 >They're just begging to be replaced by those wolf's head helmets
If you're a fucking faggot. those wolfyMCwolf helmets are garbage.
And i'm not even someone who gets upset over the modern 'too much wolf' SW's, those heads just look shit on even basic marines, and will look terrible on hairy unarmored werewolf men. Get your shit together anon.
>>45109977 >Warpstalkers: Wulfen can enter from reserves on turn 1. When deploying via deep-strike, don't roll for scatter. >Wolfhunt: Wulfen units can assault in the same turn they arrive by deep-strike
>>45110025 A regular Frost Axe from the SW 'dex is S+2 AP2 Unwieldy. It costs 20pts. A new Two-handed Frost Axe is S+3 AP2 Two-handded 'Merciless Strike' (which means it strikes at regular I on the charge and is Unwieldy otherwise). It costs 8pts.
>>45109778 Helfrost Thunder Hammer with Stormshield 20 points.
>The regular dex, terminator armor with regular Thunderhammer + Stormshield 30 points. >Outside of terminator plate a thunderhammer is 30 points alone They're also keeping up the tradition of being vanilla marines +1
>>45110212 i'll admit it; i don't play much but talk a lot of shit. my army doesn't even have a lot of 'regular' guns that can do overwatch and the last few times i charged into combat it did maybe a wound
>>45110440 No, they can't, unless that's a formation bonus I haven't seen yet. As is, they buff other SW via Curse of the Wulfen, can run and charge in the same turn via Far Leaps and attack again after dying via Death Frenzy.
>>45110512 >Super high S/AP melee with remove from play weaponry able to drop down and immediately kill anything in range. No way. Well they are a collector's model company after all. The rules are just a bonus :v)
>>45110558 >new chaos book >the long neglected 1k sons have finally studied enough and had enough of the space wolves bullshit >inferno rounds become ap1 >can take heavy bolters or autocannons >got a new lv1 spell that also lets them ignore cover and invuls >ahriman becomes lv6 with the ability to harness spells on 3s rerolling 1s and ignore perils >preferred enemy space wolves
>>45110744 >tfw you will never get to tear down the sigmarine statue in front of GW hq by hitching it to an apc and then drape an American flag over its face while short, brown, hairy Bongladeshis swarm around it beating it with their shoes
>>45110726 “The studio, the creative part of Games Workshop, had always been kept apart from the sales part of it. One thing Bryan said was that if the sales people got to be in charge of the studio, it would destroy the studio, and that’s exactly what happened.” leik dis if u cry everyteim
>>45110646 >AoS removes massive BRB rules and puts them 'depth' in each factions, giving them something unique >OMFG AGE OF SHITMAR FUCKING GEE DUBBYA OMG GEE DUBBYA IS DEAD THIS IS IT FOR REALSIES THIS TIME!
>40k adds more rules >OMFG FUCKING GW MAKING SO MANY RULES FUCKING GEE DUBBYA OMG GEE DUBBYA IS DEAD THIS IS IT FOR REALSIES THIS TIME!
>>45110891 What the fuck you on about? How is anything I said defending GW? I literally attacked the shit new models, how is that me defending it?
Do you mean my point about, you know, pointing out exactly what happens no matter what GW does? How is that me defending them? That's me pointing shit out. That's like you go "OMG THE NAZI INTERNET DEFENCE FORCE IS HERE CAUSE YOU SAID THE NAZI PARTY WAS IN POWER IN 1940!!!"
>>45110940 Where is the cut off point? AoS doesn't have 'few rules', the base games does, true, but the individual units all have shit to remember which is a pain. Is it less complicated? Sure, but it isn't void of anything. As for 40k, you're right in that it's getting close to that, but I don't think it will. I think we're at the limit. New special rules? Maybe. But I don't think we'll see anything like Snap Shots added into the game any time soon.
I dunno, perhaps if you, or /tg/, wrote a detailed 'paper' on what needs to be fixed/changed, then sent it to GW, they'd listen or look over it. Hell, they have an email just for that, but I doubt anybody here uses it.
>>45110226 Yeah with every release since 7th hit, I've told myself "They're gonna pull their heads out of their asses soon, they'll try to make the game better next."
And with every subsequent release? Disbelief or disappointment. I sold my CSM. I sold my Daemons. I'm now going to sell my Nids. Which leaves me with IG, BA, and HH Night Lords. And a game thats damn near unplayable.
GW will go out of business before they make 40k a good game. In fact, everything theyve done for the past 15+ months suggests they will continue to make arbitrary, non-sensical decisions with regards to rules and balance. They just dont get it, or they are trying to squeeze out a few shekels while they tank the entire business.
Sales are shrinking for a reason. I'm done giving money to Games Workshop.
Yes, but only a few people bought dreadfleet for models.
GW fucked their old BFG up good too, the studio stopped updating rules and gave the mission to freelancers. They made the rules for Admech and Craftworld Eldar fleets for GW, and then moved on to Rogue Traders (which had GW models but no rules yet) Legion fleets and updating the original release but inbetween GW had decided that they wouldn't update BFG any more, even for free, and refused all updates, and eventually took down everything BFG-related.
The strength of the 40k IP. And thats it. But make no mistake, GW is slowly dying. Their yearly shareholders report has illustrated this for the past 5 years. They've pulled out all the tricks in attempts to stop the bleeding, yet it has continued. This years will be the worst yet, mark it.
I saw which way the wind was blowing in 2010 with Apocalypse and all that shit. "ppl luv baneblades let's make a million giant $200 vehicles and start stealing ideas from forgeworld"
Basically apocalypse made it apparent that rules were now intended solely to sell models (even more than each new codex being more op than the last, which really started with the tau and daemonhunters), this was also when the released the daemon horde army that you can use in both whfb amd 40k! They removed daemonettes tits, made new dark elves shitting, started charging $25/10 basic infantry, and I just had enough.
Let subscription to white dwarf run out, stopped buying their minis (only box I bought between 2010-now was empire huntsmen to kitbash into mordheim witch hunters).
I'm still keeping my armies because I like them and I can just play old editions with my similarly-disillusioned core group of gaming buddies, and I can use them as proxies (whfb for Kings of War for instance).
I played a 7,000 point 4-player game of whfb over the summer using 7th edition rules and had a blast, so even if I only do something like that twice a year I'd rather keep my collection than pawn it for a couple thousand bucks
But GW is dead to me, all new minis I'm interested in are historicals (bolt action and Hail Caesar/warhammer ancient battles)
You completely missed the point of his statement. The studio isn't doing anything creative anymore, this is the case with what is happening right now. They are reproducing the same products that they made decades ago. They are not inventing anything new, they are not trying anything new, they are recycling their old intellectual properties.
>>45111332 I haven't read a shareholder report in a while. Do they have any idea that people think their new fluff sucks? That their models are exorbitantly priced? That their game is horrifically balanced and only getting worse?
It is swiftly approaching the point of no return, where even if they pull their collective heads out of their assets, it'll be too late to save. Old fans are dropping like flies with each stupid decision, and prices prevent the vast majority of potential new players from investing. There's enough wealthy idiots out there to keep GW on life-support for a while, just like there will always be morons who pay $150 for a gun skin in CS:GO, but there's not enough of them to provide each other with opponents
>>45110907 Dude, it takes a blind man not to spot the complete death of creativity in GW. Their biggest new thing - AoS - has literally rehashed Space Marines. This is a company that has outright stated that they are not a gaming company but rather a collectible model producer. Everyone who did real creative work for them has left. Even back when Andy Chambers quit he stated outright that GW simply stopped being a creative place to work.
I like 40k, but GW has a serious problem with their priorities.
>>45111454 >>45111436 >The games are a key part of both our Hobby and our business model. Our games are played between people present in a room (a Hobby centre, a club, a school), not with a screen. They are truly social and build a real sense of community and comradeship. This again makes good business sense. The more fun and enjoyable we make our games, the more customers we attract and retain, and the more miniatures our customers want to buy. This in turn allows us to reinvest in making more and more exciting miniatures and games, which creates a virtuous circle for all. According to their stated business model; better rules should in theory be a priority.
The suits probably do, Priestley didn't according to his interview:
>The current attitude in Games Workshop is that they’re not a games company, it’s that they’re a model company selling collectibles. That’s something I find wholly self-deceiving and couldn’t possibly agree with.
>>45111332 You mean the worst since 2005? This is the history of GW's stock value going back to July 2, 2004. As you can see, despite the constant cries of apocalypse from this board, the worst drop in price for GW in recent memory occured two years ago, and (I'm willing to guess) was the result of a market correction more than anything else. Although, if we look at short-term price fluctuations, it may seem like GW is suffering, I would assert that GW is merely experiencing a fall-off of sales after the initial wave of interest in AoS (one might note a massive jump in stock price around the time AoS came out, if one looked at the one-year data), rather than the result of a company facing insolvency. Combining this with patterns that clearly emerge at various scales (such as the fact that GW tends to experience a dip in stock value at the end of the year, likely due to people spending more money on presents than minis during the holiday season), I would predict that GW is a decent investment in the 5-to-10 year range. In other words: no, GW isn't slowly dying, its holding steady. This can be next to death if a company doesn't do anything about it: which GW is. The sky is not falling.
>>45111374 No, they seem to live by the phrase 'willful ignorance'.
It's so ridiculously over the top, that I have wondered if management is purposely trying to go out of business. A lot of the people I know who are 'sticking it out' in regards to 40k are even coming to the end of their ropes.
Even if they released a streamlined brb, and 16 perfectly balanced codexes, TODAY. I dont think it would be enough. The demise of 40k as we've known it for the past 20 years, is inevitable. Until the past few months I thought it was just a rough patch. But this isnt a rough patch. Its a fundamental disconnect with the players and the industry. And Id guess its got 5 years left at the most. Then GW will likely try to re-invent the game, whuch we've all seen how that goes.
>>45111444 >>45111630 Seeing that GW experienced an uptick in stock value after AoS, and even after correction, still appears to be slightly more valuable, I suspect you are wrong about WHFB making money, or, at least, as much money as you imply.
Linking to my previous post so that all interested can take a look at the 1-year data for themselves.
>>45111582 Eh the problem with WHFB was that Kirby thought the solution was "make hordes so good that anybody who doesn't run them will get stomped, that means they'll buy more boxes, which means more money!", what he didn't realise, as he's a prick, was that little timmy comes in, wants to get into WHFB, gets told he needs 300 Clan Rats, 500 Skaven Slaves, 100 Storm Vermin and all the clobber to go with it, and the price tag baulks the parent. Then he sees 40k, where an army can be anything from 40 models to 400. Which made it the cheaper option (relatively, though in reality GW has increased their prices bout £2.50 in total, but added shit loads more stuff to sprues).
Anyway, WHFB was already struggling, Kirby just ended it with the rules idea. AoS, no matter what people say, is at least a way to get kids into it. Where 5 models is a legal army, for example. It's not great for old players, not supporting it, but I hope it means that more players join AoS and I can finally have games again.
My guess is it'll do a WHFB, couple of editions will be minor rules, then they'll get more complex.
>>45111714 >uplift in stock >drove away their oldest fans, caused huge amounts of bad will with LGS's and blew a hole in sales so large the hugely popular Betrayal at Calth could not fill it even with all the WHFB fans panic buying models to finish their armies.
All that proves is that stock price does not seem to accurately represent what is going on.
And the only reason WHFB was getting less profitable was GW's own stupidity.
>>45111630 No one mentioned share prices anon. Not sure why you decided to spaz out about them.
I mentioned sales have been shrinking every year for 5 (6?) years. Which actually is the proverbial sky falling. Cutting the fat and corporate trickery have kept profits flat for the past few years, but that doesnt work forever. Eventually you need sales to level off, or perhaps even increase. But the opposite is happening.
I get that you like 40k, I do too. And I want it to remain a successful game for a long time. But that isnt guaranteed.
Googling GW's share prices over the past decade isnt an argument. Its one piece of the discussion, and not a particularly relevant one. Shares are one metric used to measure the health of a company. If you think that picture you googled is impenetrable armor for GW - try googling Chrysler and GM's decade leading up to their total collapse. And they would not exist today had the Federal government not decided to bail them out with tax dollars.
GW is not special. If sales continue to shrink, or the shrink accelerates, you'll see.
>>45111695 In what respect, anon? What have I done wrong there?
I was pointing out the reaction of /tg/ and several other communities. I wasn't supporting, nor attacking anything. I also mentioned bringing back the 90's models, unless you think the CAD stuff we get is fantastic? I dunno. I think some is good, some is meh, some is not my cup of tea. The BA Chaplain recently released was cool. I liked the exclusive SM Captains. Ad Mech were cool. But these are meh.
Oh, and protip, I advise you to read up on Socratic Irony. It's part of Socratic Method. I forget I'm on 4chan sometimes and this has been dumbed down, or altered, into "pretending to be retarded".
>>45111742 Guess it's because White Dwarf is a copyrightable 'thing', while Dwarf is not. They copyright Grombrindal, but not Dwarf. Since Grombrindal is the "White Dwarf", that's protectable.
>>45111844 See, terrible performance, I've not seen anything to support this outside of claims that FLGS is selling it for 70% off and stuff.
I'm fine if it is, but I've not seen any solid evidence for it.
As for binning the IP. Well, the alternative was nothing at all. Not only was it losing money (though people deny it was) but it was not defensible from a legal point of view. Blame Chapter House for that.
As for raising the prices, when 5 models is a legal army, it's still going to be less than WHFB. I don't think GW cares as long as it makes more money than WHFB was.
Binning it casually is a bit harsh, they did spend over a year releasing novels and campaign books and models and shit for it, I don't think it was done casually, but that's my opinion.
But I would appreciate some actual evidence of AoS doing terrible, some financial statements or something. I know GW's profits dropped to £16m instead of £16.6m, but since the specialist games studio was set up, could be the culprit.
As I said, if you have any solid evidence, it'd be nice to see so I can discuss with people i talk/play with about it.
>>45111910 Nah, just a typical layman. People with no background or experience in how a public company runs usually gravitate to share prices as a simple black/white metric. When someone posts a google image of a graph displaying market performance over a period - you can probably just ignore them.
>>45111910 >>45111859 >>45111802 I'm not acting like I've made a foolproof argument: I'm simply saying that GW has SOMETHING going for them right now. Now, I'm willing to guess that "something" very well might be "clever economic legerdemain", but GW does appear to be taking honest steps to make the company more stable. That, and I'm a contrarian who gets tired of hearing "THIS IS THE END FOR GW" literally every single time a new piece of data comes to light, regardless of its nature. But this is a containment thread for that, so I really don't know what else I was expecting.
>>45111332 >>45111429 GW is dying? It has been for fucking years. This shit is getting boring, if it's dying, why isn't it dead yet?
If GW is dying "slowly", then, I guess you're right. Everybody is dying "slowly", it's called living. Call me when Hasbro or Mattel takes over like people have been claiming for the last 10 years will happen. I couldn't give a toss one way or another, but it's bollocks at this point, every year I read this and every year I go "do I sell my mins now, or do I wait?" and every year I don't, or I sell some, and nothing happens. GW isn't dead by the end of the year. I keep getting told it'll get worse yet the evidence seems to show improvement in stock prices, which is the mark of health in a company.
What the fuck is happening? Do you guys know something I don't? It's blowing my mind out seeing this every year, I don't want to dismiss it as 'shitposting;, as it happens every year and thus it's dedicated fucking shitposting if that's the case.
What is happening? I keep seeing GW is bleeding and dying, I was told this in 2004 as well, that Hasbro was coming to swoop in now GW had stopped being a "distributor" for WotC, it never happened. Just like SoB never got updated despite being told they would in 2006.
Driving me nuts, which is it? If they're dying, when is it going to drop dead? I need to know.
>>45112074 >and thus it's dedicated fucking shitposting if that's the case GW's popular and bullied anon when he was in grade school playing alternative games you've probably never heard of, like Confrontation or Urban War.
>>45111974 There is nothing on paper proving the success/failure of AoS.
But the general reaction online, anecdotal evidence from flgs', starter boxes going for 60% on Amazon, and stagnant sales (here on the west coast at least) are all we have. There are flgs' that refused to carry AoS, and dropped GW products altogether. So thats also not good.
When you take it all into account, it paints a pretty bleak picture of AoS. Which makes perfect sense doesnt it? How big do you think the market is for a tabletop wargame with few rules/guidelines for creating an engaging experience. And though the starter set was reasonably priced, the new kits are absurdly priced, even by GW standards.
The writing is on the wall anon, the ship isnt yet sinking - but itis definately taking on water. Its ok to acknowledge that, it doesnt mean you hate GW. It means you arent an obtuse retard.
>>45111802 It's most likely that speculation on a new brand drove up the value. To understand how well the stock price matches the health of the company you'd have to understand who the shareholders are and how well they know the market GW is in. My suspicion is that they probably don't understand very well, unless the shareholders are mostly level-headed fans.
>>45112074 Its gibberish. GW is going through a rough patch, yes, but it doesn't yet look apocalyptic. /tg/ is just infested with contrarians who will trumpet Armageddon at a tile falling off of a house, and bitter grognards who want GW to die for making editions past Rogue Trader.
>>45111802 I don't think it was GW's stupidity, but Kirby. He is poisoning the company and he's still there under some special title despite being EVENTUALLY forced from his fucking tyranical position.
GW has done some stuff recently which has improved my opinion of them. Knight Titans came back, which was sweet. Cult Mechanicus and Skiitari was an amazing release and I can't wait for more. Forge World doing great models (Dread Saurian, Thanatar and so on). The novels were interesting, especially this new Beast Arises series.
As for AoS? Well, WHFB wasn't surviving and Kirby basically killed it. I saw a marked drop from about 5th onwards as 40k got more popular. Kirby just ended it with "le hordes to win" and letting Ward go fucking insane with his fucking Elf faggots. Who the fuck thought it was 'fair' to let Initiative 6 Elves get Always Strikes First (meaning re-rolls against everything lower than 6, so, 90% of all models) and Fights in Extra Rank (meaning a horde of Spearmen can go to 50 strong and all attack FIRST, meaning you need an equally strong horde to resist that, meaning on Chaos Warriors, Dwarfs or Lizardmen had a chance, while Elves vs Elves slaughtered each other) then allowing High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves have access to like 10 lores (oh and giving Lizardmen literally the same shit as High Elves, thanks!) coupled with all the extra bits and fucking bobs.
It was a nightmare to play Elves, it was bloated as fuck, just like 40k is getting.
>>45111974 No the alternative was they reduce all plastic infantry to £1 a model, stop pushing huge games and units, get rid of the idiotic 8th edition rules and start interacting with their community again. Fantasy did fine before they drove people away.
>>45112132 See, all these people claiming to refuse to carry AoS, has anybody got evidence of this? Like, does anybody have names of these FLGS? Has anybody got contact emails so I can ask to confirm this? I'm going on what people say online. Which isn't unbiased, regardless of supporting ot attacking. I want to confirm what is being said. The starter boxes going for 60% on Amazon, can I have links to this? Proof of recipes? Proof of listing? There must be some evidence for this. Taking a picture of it isn't enough, since Inspect Element is great for editing shit. So I would like to see the actual page. Reaction online isn't anything to go on either, as I am sure that a lot of the negativity is from people who never played WHFB, let alone touched a model. Ever noticed how shit like "Ork weapons work cause they believe they work" got spread around despite no evidence that says this (though some implies it)? Or how "Orks don't get sick any more cause Nurgle got beat up by Gork and Mork"? I don't want to use this term, but the word "meme" is something that comes across. I've seen people say outright false things alongside saying AoS is bad and evil and whatever. It's hard to trust what is said online, especially /tg/, /v/, Dakkadakka, Whineseer, Heresy Online and loads of other sites.
Remember before AoS? We had people spouting shit like "Lizardmen have been squatted, it's going to be a 5 faction WHFB, humans + dwarfs + ogres as one, Elves as another, Chaos as another, Skaven as another, Undead as another"? It was all bollocks. It was stuff spread and taken as gospel truth.
I'm not supporting AoS, or GW, but if something is being stated, ergo, a claim, then the Burden of Proof is on the claimant. As such, is me asking for proof of these 60% off (I'd like to see and might buy them for bitzbox work), stagnant sales and the names of FLGS that refused to stock them, so I can check.
I dunno man. I just want evidence so I know to call it a day.
>>45112234 Funny, since AoS, the PPM of Saurus Warriors and Saurus Guard has FALLEN. Kinda odd.
As I said, hordes were the problem. Remove the hordes and WHFB would have shuffled along.
Thing is, anon, I don't know how much business acumen you have, you might run your own multimillion dollar business, I don't know, but without knowing a bit more detail, it's a bit hard to go "Do this and that would have solved everything", cause we don't know if it would have.
If we can use anedotal evidence to say AoS is failing, I can use it to say WHFB was barely alive. My area had 5-7 WHFB players. Two were Elves, one Skaven, one Ogre, one VC, and two Empire (and one also Dorf, he loved cannons). We played each other over and over. Kids weren't interested when we went into the bunkers, it was 40k. That was it. GW doesn't care about grognards, we have spent our money, they care about getting Timmy to make an impulse buy. WHFB wasn't doing it. I dunno if it was the rules, or the daunting task of making that many models, but it wasn't getting new blood.
If they had gone back to 5th edition with some modifications, maybe it would have worked. Hell, I thought they should have done a Lord of the Rings route, personally, but they didn't.
Now we are where we are. Either way, WHFB was failing and I don't think it could have been saved with minor changes.
>>45112449 Okay, I did say Burden of Proof, but I guess that's something that doesn't exist in these arguments? You made the claim, back it up... but I guess not.
>>45112349 How? I just want to see these evidence, have you ever possibly thought I want this evidence to prove shills wrong? Thought of that? Yet I've never seen any evidence posted, ever, along with this claims.
>>45112378 So, what you're saying is, the comments you can read on /v/ are from hard core WHFB players? Yet when I ask "post your army", they can't even post a list of their models, let alone a picture to prove it? You get the same old "I sold my army", which is real convenient. I didn't sell mine, I still play WHFB.
I'd like to know how it's absurd, I didn't state is as fact, I said "I am sure", which is a saying. I never said all of it, I said a lot of it. Which is true. Because, guess what, WHFB players have either ditched GW or have gone on to 9th. I know, cause I play both 8th and 9th (modified) with my groups. They don't moan about AoS, they just get on with what we've always got on with, playing models. One of them said he might get the new dorf models and make up some rules, do we care? Nope. You're literally going "if you ask for proof, you must be a fanboy, accept what I said, goy!"
>>45112451 The grognards are vital and it was catastrophically stupid of GW to deliberately alienate them. They spend an order of magnitude more than the kids ever will and they are the ones in wargame shops who introduce new people to games. There were many thriving WHFB communities that GW has devastated and nothing has showed up to replace them and give GW money. GW stores are ghost towns and the LGS's are full of people who will tell kids to play anything BUT Age of Sigmar.
Also I am talking about the new models, you know the ones going for £3.50 EACH.
>>45112586 Where did I say AoS is not bad? Where? Go on, point out where I fucking said that. Oh, wait, you can't, you're just shitposting. Here is your (You).
>>45112592 Oh right, yeah, new models are expensive. But, devils avocado, you don't need 200 of them any more. I've got about £1500 worth of Lizardmen and £200ish of DE's. So maybe I'm not the best person to talk about it, but I don't think you need that many models. Maybe I've wrong.
As for devastating WHFB communities... It hasn't really in my experience. We've been shocked, yes, but we've picked up 8th and gone "let's see how we can fix this" and worked on it. 9th is being done by /tg/ for example, I take ideas from it and modify other things. Like I've brought back Slann Disciplines that gave Loremaster (Yeah yeah, inb4 OP) and fiddled with bits and bobs with other things (Kroxigor with Devastating Charge for example) and just got on with it. AoS hasn't changed anything for me. As for the new models popping up for AoS, I've not taken any as I don't need them, but friends have taken some and work on new rules for them or use them as proxies.
As for grognards being vital. If you have, like me, hundreds of models of a single army, I'm not going to buy many more. Yet little Timmy can be sold multiple boxes of things, along with all the tools and paints and stuff, which is where the money comes from. We're already on plastic crack, a drug dealer doesn't just stop with his current customers, he pushes it on others.
But, maybe you have evidence to support your claims, I'm going on what I saw over the 90's and early 2000's before I stopped going to bunkers.
What kind of form will new epic take? A boxed game? What scale?
The only thing we have is a vague promise to revisit old lines. Will they be updating rulesets with expanding model lines like before, or boxed games like Space Hulk and Dreadfleet, their new "Man-o-war"?
>>45112659 Because I was talking about /v/. You ever been to /v/? This is the board that hates Undertale because of it's fanbase. Where it'll rabidly attack anything because of the hive mind. I've seen this shit work. Example, over the last couple of months, 40k threads popped up a lot on /v/, so I enter them. People talked about Space Hulk: Deathwing. Now, I read an article about how it seemed to have gone dark and how facts seemed to point towards problems with development. I posted the article once. Over the next half a dozen or so threads, I saw the article being posted to people asking about Deathwing.
My point is, people will believe, repeat, and spread stuff, even if it's wrong. Ever noticed how the word "autism" suddenly sprung up despite it rarely, if ever, appearing over the last decade on 4chan? Or how bout projecting? Or cuck? Or 'senpai'? Or 'desu'? Or logical fallacies or dozens of other things? You read something. You repeat it. Enoguh people pick it up and repeat it.
Therefore, when I'm on /v/, a board which is disliked and called /b/2.0, I do not trust what people say. If you do, power to you, but I do not. On /tg/? Yeah, I can assume people going "AoS sucks!!! WHFB WAS GOAT!" actually played WHFB at some point.
On /v/? Nope. I want proof of that shit.
As for me, I also spent thousands of dollars on WHFB, want me to list off my total model count?
>>45112736 Blood Bowl is the first. We've seen the new models. If the rumours are true, GW will do regular box with Orcs vs Humans. 15 models each side. Then Forge World will cover the other teams. Though I can't remember where I read that.
As for the rest? Nobody knows. All we know is Epic, Necromunda and Battlefleet Gothic are the other mentioned by name games. They also say "many many more". So I assume Mordheim, Gorkamorka, Dreadlfeet/Man'O'War (which is also getting a vidya) and maybe Talisman games?
I don't think Warhammer Historicals is coming back, then again, don't think anybody remembers them.
>>45112866 Why? Blood Bowl was in an alternate universe ANYWAY. Why would it have anything to do with AoS? It's the same board game as before.
Since Man O War is getting a (crappy looking) vidya, I assume that is too. Remember Battlefleet Gothic is getting a video game. Mordheim got a video game. Bloodbowl got 5 video games recently, Bloodbowl 2 was out recenently.
In short, GW has got video versions of most of it's popular games in development. Which leaves two:
As the two non-video games. We'll see how this pans out, but my guess is we'll see an announcement for one or two at E3 (also I'm betting on Dawn of War 3).
>>45112899 Mate, all I want is you to provide proof of what you claim. Why is that hard? I'm not buying shit. You've made a claim and you've not backed it up. I'm not saying you're lying, I'm not saying you're making this up to shitpost, I'm just saying "can you give me the link to prove it?". Why is that difficult? When I got looking, I come up with the regular sites, Wayland Games, Gifts for Geeks, etc etc.
I don't see any for 60% off. I don't get why something you say is a fact, something that can prove to me it's struggling, is beyond you? Can you at least give me the website this happened on? Because I can't find shit, mate. All I want is some proof so I can bookmark it and use it in discussion with a couple of mates of mine.
I don't get why asking for help in finding something is cause for this kind of response. Fuck sake, /tg/ used to get shit done...
>>45112378 But that's how /tg/ works. 90% of people shitting on BL are just parroting half truths and outright lies they once heard here. Not to mention all the 4chan memes, like Orks can magic everything into being with their WAAAGH field or Baneblades were light scout tanks during the DAoT.
>>45112736 If I was GW I'd be careful about Epic. The fact that there's a very much alive second hand market, including fan-made models (that are better than the real thing) and re-casts of most of the popular kits means that it's pretty easy to just waste effort. They make some kind of epic 40k boxed game with 2 factions and maybe some expansion, and let forgeworld pick up the slack, and suddenly everyone who's never heard of it before realizes that they can buy better epic minis for cheaper off shady individuals on /tg/ or tactcom.
The titan kits that some nerd copied from forgeworld and re-did at epic scale, printed and made molds from are one bajillion times better than the forgeworld epic kits, I don't really see that changing.
>>45113091 I was the guy he was replying to, I meant /v/, not /tg/, so that's probably worse...
>>45113125 RIGHT. Thanks. Amazon. Right. Ebay. Right. Okay. That's a start. But that's how arguments work, anon. Why is it beyond you to prove evidence to your claims? Why? As for considering suicide, I do, daily. But mainly because of people like yourself who are incapable of backing up their argument with facts and instead resort to ad homs.
>>45113226 Im capable faggot, as demonstrated. I just didnt feel like looking it up for you. And the fact that youd rather make several lengthy, preachy posts about 'burden of proof' instead of just doing a simple search yourself.. Idk man. You're just a typical faggot I guess. But anyway, fuck you, fuck your mother, and kill yourself. Seriously though, kill yourself. From this brief little interaction with you on an anonymous message board, you've managed to spotlight your semantical, argumentative, egotistic personality. Everyone hates you, I can guarantee it.
>>45113328 What ever happened to The Lord Inquisitor? I know they made it a 60min film, but I've not seen shit for like 5 years.
>>45113339 I've tried to find this interview, I can't.
>>45113349 That's cool anon. But I'd look to see psychological help, projection isn't a nice thing. As for being 'capable', demonstrably not, anon-kun. Despite the fact others have already proven you wrong with the 60% off claim, it's now up to you to prove it. But you can't.
But, I'm glad I made you feel anon, that you felt anger to somebody you've only had a brief interaction with. But, that is seriously unhealthy, and I suggest you check with a physician about possible high blood pressure. Also, I would advise an anger management course, you're also suffering from some serious issues. I don't know, maybe your dad abused you, or left when you were young. Maybe your mother wasn't there for you, or died when you were young. I dunno.
But I believe in you, anon-kun, I know you can get better. Don't hide in the dark, anon, we care about you. 4chan is a place where you can talk about anything, you're anonymous, nobody knows who you are. We can encourage you to seek the professional help you desperately need.
As I said, I believe in you anon, if you were in front of me, I'd give you a hug. Maybe we could have a drink and have a few games of 40k or WHFB or something. It's OK anon, it'll be OK.
We're here, anon, we're here, but tackling your crippling anger issues, your projection defence mechanism and several other major personality flaws, is something for a professional to deal with.
We're here, as I said, want to add me on skype or something? We can talk there. Maybe make a thread after your first appointments? Either way, good luck anon, it'll be OK.
It's all going to be OK. I don't hate you, anon. Maybe in another world we were friends and you didn't act like this, alas, we're in this dimension.
It's going to be OK, anon. It's going to be A-OK! =3
>>45113339 T. B. H. old epic was a bit too small probably due to them originally just being Titans and then adding the infantry etc Titans in epic should be 60 cm or so Then infantry could be a good size Of course Emperor class would then be the size of 40k Knights Actually sounds good Superheavy the size of normal tank Leviathans size of land raider Tau Manta size of a vendetta
>>45113432 >>45113481 >>45113546 Right, I thought the guy was claiming it was 60% OFF. Not 60%. That's all I wanted. As for Ebay, fair enough, I'm looking at Wayland Games, a 3rd party reseller, it's doing it for 80%. Which is the average for all their products. Ebay is rather good for bargains as it is.
>>45113591 He means the price of the product is 60%. Not 60% off. In short, every 3rd party seller, like Wayland Games, sells products for 80%, 40k and AoS. Which means it's 20% off RRP. When in fact they meant it was 40% off and selling it at 60%. Which is on Ebay. Which is a rather common thing.
>>45113585 Actually, the original guy asked for the 60% off proof, and the guy didn't correct him then. It was his fault for assuming when somebody went 60% of, they meant 60% off, not 60% of RRP. Which isn't that odd for Ebay.
>>45113598 But a simple google search with last month filter http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/01/gw-adeptus-titanicus-latest.html Now it's a reported conversation with Hoare so who knows for sure But the lead in with the production means that GW will be careful about what they announce outright Think about it - GW say they are going to do 50 mil Titans (my post had typo not 60cm 60mm) It takes them 6 months to get ready Some American knock off merchant slap crap versions in 2 months then uses biased American courts to sue game workshop
>>45113767 I think he's falseflagging. I was the original guy who misread it as "60% off RRP" when it was "60% of RRP". I wasn't corrected at the start, so I assumed that was what was meant, was just treated to bullshit.
somebody else came in, said some shit, now I think he's trying to falseflag... which is a pretty common thing these days.
So, yes, it's 60%, being 40% off RRP. Most 3rd parties sell 25% off.
The black mace was cursed by all of the traitor primarchs I'm pretty sure that it was also worldbreaker a fucking primarch weapon. But apparently that is just about on par with a chilled thunder hammer? >>45109808
Bullshit. Why did people buy stuff from CH? They weren't getting what they wanted from GW. It's like the music industry blaming pirates for falling sales, when it was said music industry's insatiable greed that caused customers to source their product elsewhere.
are you really this stupid or just shilling this much?
share prices do not matter now when the company isn't doing as bad as they could because of three factors this year: strong british currency, increased revenue from IPs (mainly whfb video games by the way), and cutting costs with the new shop model. These three could help them out to only post a 2.5% loss despite their sales being down more than 15% this year. All these three are not sustainable ways to get revenue, so you can't build on them. Realize this: the main operating area of the company was down 15%. That's a ridiculous loss, and all happened after AoS came, doesn't matter that they hit a fuckton of homeruns with 30k and 40k this year. Only the shills don't wanna see the correlation. There's a reason why there was 0 (zero) AoS models in the GW top28 sellers last year
Now that GBP is falling, you will experience an even worse decline the next half, and that will be the point where the shareholders react. Why don't you post the one-month sample by the way? You know, to see the shareholders reaction to the half-year report? Because then your shilling would not work, and people could see that the sweet number which is 526 now was 621 early january?
>>45112543 >How? I just want to see these evidence, have you ever possibly thought I want this evidence to prove shills wrong? Thought of that? Yet I've never seen any evidence posted, ever, along with this claims.
This is the point where it is evident you are a lying fucking shill. Millions of ebay auctions have been posted, hell in the AoS thread there were guys buying starters for $40 from another dudes FLGS
I realize that your tactic might be working with people who have not followed the scene, but why the fuck do you do this when someone like this guy >>45115335 just destroys you if he spends the 1 minutes required on it?
>>45112727 >9th is being done by /tg/ for example, I take ideas from it and modify other things
Rofl, at least you would read about the shit you are spewing, holy fuck... /tg/ has nothing to do with 9th, never did 9th, most of them even dislike 9th, which is done by the ETC/Swedish comp guys, on their own forums
You are so disconnected from reality it even hurts. Whatever GW is paying you is too much
>>45113638 >He means the price of the product is 60%. Not 60% off. In short, every 3rd party seller, like Wayland Games, sells products for 80%, 40k and AoS. Which means it's 20% off RRP. When in fact they meant it was 40% off and selling it at 60%. Which is on Ebay. Which is a rather common thing.
Common thing my ass. Look at the Dark Vengeance starter:
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