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I've got another perk for the Star Wars jump that I'd like feedback on.
I Don't Come Cheap [100cp]: The more well know you are within a group or organization the better you will be payed. Even if your employers don't like you they'll still agree to pay you twice their usual rate because they heard you killed the fifth deadliest man in the galaxy or saved the child of an important politician. You can get up to 3x your original payment with this ability. (Free: Bounty Hunter)
Ooh, I like that one. I mean, in theory it's nothing you couldn't do on your own if you have a strong reputation, but this guarantees it. And a lot of 100CP perks are "things you could do anyway, but now it's certain", so I'd say that's around the right level of power.
I like this, but >>45090596 raises a good point about how BH are betrayed in canon. Maybe add some verbage about how even if you are betrayed, you can find a way to get what you're owed from your former employer?
Sure, you realize how easy it is to mimic styles right? I'm not really too concerned in how much hope you have, I just don't feel like fighting with Tera in another debacle like what Borderlands had.
Don't you talk shit about my waifu.
There's always companion imports in my jumps. As for more than 8, eh. Both these settings you have a small number of people working together. However if you want to make your own Justice League I'll allow it.
As for someone in the other thread saying about the magic and occult knowledge. Would you want me to put it you'll be near Constantine's level after a few years?
>Updated Sailor Moon Jump last thread
Pretty solid, I like the new drawback a lot more than the old one, though I can't help but notice that we now have both a "bring people back from the dead at a great cost" perk and a "the heroes are dead" perk in the jump.
That combination sounds like it could lead to some good writing.
>I did what I had to do to save the world
>Casually walk out of afterlife?
I was about to object to this being too powerful, but it occurs to me that this probably wouldn't be too useful if you get sent home before you can do it.
Oh my fucking god, can we have at least one 'cheat death' thing go past without somebody bitching.
Everybody's fifteen kinds of immortal, invulnerable (or close to it) and all that shit by now, the dying clause is never going to be a thing.
Unless you've established infrastructure to feed you prayer while dead, then it accelerates your climb. Though that's hardly casual, and I can think of a good many other schemes to set up ways to cheat death through heavy investment of resources prior to it.
My issue is the phrase "casually walk out of the afterlife" suggested, to me, the ability to trivialize death. I don't know anything about Constantine and thus have no idea how accurate that is, but that's what I initially thought it meant. If that is what it means, I don't think it should be offered to jumpers without some kind of limitation because that sounds like it would make jumpchain completely impossible to lose under normal circumstances. The perk in Asura's Wrath is find because it mentions that coming back to life is balanced out by extreme difficulty.
If it instead just means you can casually leave Heaven or Hell if you end up there without dieing, then I think that's fine.
Why are you letting one random anon condemn all of us? This wouldn't be a discussion if everyone agreed with him, and I think that's the only time I've seen that view.
Ignoring the death rule. I thought we were just talking about moving between dimensions.
Well even if coming back from death is easy, it won't matter in the chain because you die you lose, you know? I'm not sure what he meant either to tell you the truth, but even if he meant your worst fear it still would lead to losing the chain.
Diablo style ARPG set on the tropical coastline region of a land called Wraeclast, which originally was colonized by a Mayan influenced civilization called the Vaal. Later human colonies were affected by the Vaal practices and over time the land was warped by the same practices that led to the downfall of the Vaal empire. Flash forward to present day, where Wraeclast now serves as a sort of penal reject colony for a mainland never really described, but the civilization on the island itself has transformed as the Exiles discover more about the lost Vaal civilization again.
Just make sure when you write up the magic perk you aren't suggesting that you can work or get to Zatanna level/style magic. The backwards speaking might lead some people to that conclusion and Zatanna magic, while awesome, is insanely OP.
Constantine from the show wasn't as powerful as he was in the comics. Go watch the show, he's basically a dabbler in all magic. The show was canned but hey, it was good while it lasted. Also he was in the Arrow S4 bringing back Canary with Lazerus Pit. He's still powerful mind you, but he's not like his comic version where he's walking out of heaven and hell on a lunch break.
Occult Knowledge & Magical Knowledge rewrote so that it doesn't imply you're the best thing ever, right out the bat.
Your magic at beginning is average strength but very versatile. You have great magical potential which allows room for growth.
I honestly don't even remember her being in the show. His writeup made me think of her, though, and the potential problems with her magic. That's why I made the comment that I did.
I read a bit where they're considering him for S2 of LoT. It sounds like they're going to have a rolling cast they swap out each season.
Oh real quick update note, I put back in about the magic having a cost. Also noted that simple magic doesn't require much but a gesture. More powerful the magic more complex it gets. However thanks to Constantine style of kelptomagical styles you know shortcuts. Just like Constantine himself does in the show constantly.
My sword - because I swore an oath to Master Goultard to be its guardian. More to protect everyone else than it but hey. Its only gotten loose the handful of times and only had to be nuked the once.
As I remember, John was always more con than proper sorcerer. Yeah, he could do magic, but mostly he was a cheat that tricked people and entities into defeating themselves. Late stage Constantine did as much through the power of his reputation as he did through actual action.
When he /did/ do magic, it usually ended in someone being killed or damned.
It is not a good thing to be John Constantine's friend.
Nu52 is . . . ugh, I fucking hate it and I hate going off about it because it just comes across as bitching about the new thing to bitch.
I /love/ the idea of Justice League Dark, but I loathe the approach they've taken to it. By and large I prefer how DC used to handle magic and the supernatural.
I feel you, man. I really liked Shadowpact and was hoping for JLD to be like that.
It didn't take long for those hopes to be dashed.
The New 52 Hellblazer... It's...better than JLD I guess.
I don't read many comics, but I can guarantee you I hate the new Lucifer comic series more than both of you hate all those series combined.
Yes. That's right. Some daft bint is writing a sequel to Lucifer.
As in, that comic series that literally ended perfectly with Lucifer finding true freedom by flying into the void/fourth wall.
Old Hellblazer and Constantine was . . . Lovecraftian in its approach to magic. You didn't use it flippantly, and if you did you would get bit in the ass. Magical creatures still did magic easy breezy, but magical creatures were a big deal. Now that was magic in Hellblazer, some other properties treated it differently and were lighter hearted at times. But Hellblazer shared the same DC continuity with Sandman and the Endless, and they were pretty firewalled from mainstream DC. It was more mature, in terms of themes and overall narrative.
Nu52 is more or less Charmed wearing DC capeshit cosplay. Magic has a price, kinda, but its more ubiquitous and cheaper. I wouldn't mind any of that, mind you, as a different property. It just isn't what I wanted out of JC or Hellblazer.
Also, Justice League Dark was built up to be more adult and interesting but it was more or less what the title implies: magical Justice League with bullshit CW'esq interpersonal drama.
Lucifer was amazing in the Sandman books. It a shame they're fucking with that.
Comics have always been shit. You're just older, have some more discretion, have read better, and... well, it's like 4chan.
Comics were never good.
They were never this bad, either.
(And okay, there are some fantastic issues or storylines. They've always been rare, and it feels like they've just become more so.)
Please tell me that it's either a parody or focused on other characters?
It might be tolerable if it's something like the adventures of God Girl, or a series about Delerium.
Wait never mind it's a comic the later is overworked.
Oh. Oh, you wanna know how fucking bad it is?
YAHWEH IS DEAD
Yes. That's right. The no-bullshit omnipotent God. The guy who instigated and brought about Lucifer's entire character arc, established to be COMPLETELY omniscient. The dude who's so omnipotent he was able to also look away to create a little uncertainty for himself near the end. The being, in short, established to be absolute in every sense of the word.
The angels are currently trying to figure out who killed God. And because I have a morbid fascination with tranwrecks that shit on my nostalgia, Lucifer has apparently been wounded by some sort of living metal that is also the same kind of metal that was apparently used to kill God.
No, they haven't shown God's corpse on-panel. Just a sort of crack in reality the angels are poking at.
Won't lie: The Sandman and Lucifer are the only ones I've ever really gotten into, so I wouldn't know anything about New 52. A lot of my salt comes from someone trying to milk the latter for sequels.
Well, there's bad, and then there's this. Not edited, by the way. This is how they made it.
I'm sorry to tell you but nope. Lucifer comes back with a wound. For some reason he decides to start a nightclub. The other angels find out Nietzsche's wet dream has come true, find Gabriel (who's a drugridden human for reasons I think are explained in Constantine, which I never read) and basically offer to restore his angel powers in exchange for hunting down Lucifer. Then Lucifer tells him he doesn't know who killed Yahweh either.
God girl doesn't even get mentioned.
Meanwhile, Mazikeen is on the throne of Hell calling bullshit on being told Lucifer has returned, and quite frankly I feel like she's my personal self-insert even though she only has one panel.
Well, shit. There goes any interest I had in reading comics other than those that they made.
*start a nightclub again
I feel I should emphasise this point; he closed down his /old/ nightclub in Lucifer and the whole comic was about him letting go of the past and coming to terms with himself.
Oh, and now for some reason he disrupts the natural order of the world just by existing. As opposed to earlier where it's explicitly stated he dindoo nothing to humans they didn't bring upon themselves. They might explain this as him returning from the Void to a new creation or some shit, but I'm not optimistic if that hasn't been made clear.
It'd be one thing if they actually made a character like that and justified it and wrote him out, as retarded and pandering as it would still be, but nope. Didn't even try. Just made this guy randomly start screaming things the people they believe read comics don't like, summarized as little black bars that are little more than "Hate him." labels.
They've been nosediving forever, and this kinda writing has just accelerated it. But media companies don't really think these days, they just check out their twitter feeds, or pay someone else to.
On one hand this is stupid.
On the other it's still a better explanation for stuff like the disaster Pandora was trying to stop and the later reveal that she's actually a reoccurring multiverse destroying disaster.
Which doesn't really help with the stupid at all.
I'm going to just assume Lucifer and Yahweh flew too close to one of those Marvel crossovers, and got hit with bullshit cosmic destructive stuff from the explosion, because I might as well go full refuge in audacity with how stupid this is.
Yeah, that's both stupid and unnecessary. Though it does explain the "disrupts the natural order just by existing" thing. Of course he's a walking transgression of the natural order, he's from back when the DC universe wasn't complete tripe. The awful world it is now would naturally reject something such as him.
Wait...what? As in, SHE is the disaster?
And you know what, that makes as much sense as anything. During the comics Lucifer flies past the Source-basically the consciousness of the DC universe-on his way to somewhere more interesting.
But fuck, I really hope the comic isn't going to be about the Source murdering Yahweh and gloating about it. Because that's stupider than any powerlevel argument even these threads have ever had
It's noticeable that for whatever reason Elaine Belloc isn't mentioned at all by the angels, or anyone else for that matter. Amongst other things Lucifer gave her some advice about not screwing up as God when he left. Clearly, something must have happened to her for things to go so wrong.
My guess? The whole thing about Elaine's friend being the goddess of hedgehogs while Elaine was the goddess of everything BUT hedgehogs backfired on them. There was a threat that could only be stopped by the power of hedgehogs, and without it she was killed.
>Wait...what? As in, SHE is the disaster?
I have no clue if she was meant to be that specific approaching disaster that lead to New 52, but she is a multiversal level disaster.
Basically there's these seven demons called the seven deadly sins that regularly get into a fight with her that destroys the multiverse and makes a new one. However these demons are not just demons but the incarnations of her sins. This battle constantly reoccurs with them forgetting it until it's time to kill each other and the multiverse again.
Apparently the cycle breaks, but it says really bad things when the inner demons of the person worrying about a cosmic disaster regularly break reality.
Of course, it all makes sense now! Lucifer was penetrated by some sort of bullshit that was also used to kill Yahweh.
And as everyone knows,
the hedgehog can never be buggered at all!
"At any cost" always sounds like a failure of the imagination more than something someone could actually do.
It's probably just a writer bitching about their comments section on their blog or something.
Alright tell me how bad I've messed up Scientist origin.
Well, Adorakable is going to make a lot of jumpers very happy, I can tell you that. "The smarter you are the prettier you are" is going to be pretty great for everyone who's both vain and obsessed with science, which is something like 70% of jumpers.
You read a lot of serial work, you get used to authors being petty about that sort of thing. Especially when they have the option of telling the story from a biased viewpoint. I find it funny like I find chick tracts or old The Question comics or Legitimate Alternatate Deathstyle funny.
Yes, it's a joke. It's literally the equivalent of putting "blah blah blah" in the text bubbles, except that the narrator is an SJW.
Jesus, guys. Fifteen seconds of research before you sperg out.
The fact that the writer thinks it's funny doesn't keep it from being pathetic, anon.
Mirror Master isn't even in the show yet.
Then a word of advice: Stop thinking you'll get your way if you're stubborn enough. You're already despised enough people are unwililng to trust any IP to you.
>Then a word of advice: Stop thinking you'll get your way if you're stubborn enough. You're already despised enough people are unwililng to trust any IP to you.
Okay then, I'll just do something that hasn't been claimed without telling anyone and post it in the thread
Grodd doesn't have tech in this one. He's a psychic gorilla that was part of the military's experiments in brain boosting. He was getting smarter, but he wasn't "turn everyone into apes" type deal. They sent him to Earth 2, Gorilla City where similar gorillas live.
If you haven't watched the show, please do. Otherwise don't ask silly Comicbook questions about the TVerse. That's like asking is Superman going to kill the Joker in Batman vs Superman, because he did so in a comic.
And then we get to reject it.
Because it was made by you.
In fact, I'll even be logging on to the IRC to lodge a formal request with Captain Brutus, to not upload any of your shit to the drive.
We've /tried/ you fucking shit-brained imbecile. You have fought EVERYBODY who's offered the faintest amount of kindness to you.
We do not want your shit.
Go. And fucking. Stay. Go.
You're the only person since Mommy everyone has seriously considered breaking the /jc/ rules for to remove entirely.
I was completely serious. If you had a sense of pattern recognition you'd notice every time you're stubborn, things never go right for you and people only stop arguing with you when you make concessions.
>It's a bancho argument again.
I'm thankful to jump-chan for letting me travel the multiverse.
I'm thankful to my companions each in their own individual way, for how they've contributed to my life.
I'm thankful to my enemies, for making funny noises when I rip them to pieces.
Nope! I didn't even know Stormlight Archive was a thing. Please do, I feel like myself at least and possibly a few others are getting a bad case of the internet cabin fever from there not having been any jumps lately.
So what's it about anyway?
It's a Brandon Sanderson novel set in a world regularly wracked by huge hurricanes (like, every couple weeks), which has influenced its evolution to be a very alien landscape to the typical fantasy world. Humans are implied to be alien to that world, having fled their to escape...something. It's not clear what, the narrative has been relatively vague about the threat so far, but it's something bad. Anyway, it's a weird world. Most of the life forms are either crustaceans or fish, with even the role of birds being replaced by "sky-eels". The plants are all motile, able to fold themselves into protected casings that can better survive the storms. Said storms carry a mystic "stormlight" energy that embeds itself in any previous stones exposed to it, providing a source of light that can also be tapped by magic users for fuel (though of the original thirty magic systems used on the world of Roshar, only one still survives to the modern day). And everywhere you go there are the spren, minor spirits of concepts from the mundane to the abstract. Water spren gather by lakes, fire spren dance around every candle, pain spren are a common sight on battlefields and liars put a lot of work into avoiding attracting spren of anxiety or shame. It would be a very fun place to visit, if only because the descriptions make it sound so pretty.
Yeah. There's a lot of cool stuff to grab there, too. Magic itself is mostly lost, but stormlight-powered magitech remains. Engineering is considered an effeminate profession, though, so if you're a male jumper you might get looked at weird for trying to learn it. The best magitech goes into the creation of "shardplate", basically powered armor. No one knows how to make the full armor sets anymore, though enchanted shields (called "halfshards") can be replicated and they're hoping to figure out the power armor eventually. Fortunately shardplate is self repairing, so it doesn't wear down over time. This is good, because the one bit of relic magitech that no one even has the slightest idea how to reproduce is the shardblade, blades which cut effortlessly through any matter, though don't leave any visible wounds on living flesh. Cut a person with one and their flesh just shuts down along the path of the blade. They can hack corpses apart just fine, though. The only things they can't penetrate are other shardblades and shardplate. You won't be able to replicate them, though, for any crafting jumpers. The reason why is a plot point, so I won't say it, but the spoiler-free version is that they require a very unique ingredient to produce. And no, it's not souls, those are a dime a dozen. You think no one's tried smithing a blade from souls?
Other than the cool toys, the main draw is probably the lost magic systems. The narrative is reintroducing them gradually, so we only know a handful of the ones available. There are ten principles of magic that are used in various combinations by the schools, and we only know what half of them do. There's Transformation, Adhesion and Gravitation, which should be fairly obvious what they do. Abrasion manipulates friction, Progression can accelerate growth and healing,and Illumination manipulates light. The other four we only know their names, and we only know four of the combined schools.
>Magic itself is mostly lost
I can read objects and time travel so not that lost, but yeah unless they put out a big setting bible describing what that stuff did not much can be accomplished.
It lets you go to "mirror dimensions", so you could go to fanfics that only change events without changing the fundamental structure. Like, you could go to a Harry Potter fanfic where Harry wasn't friends with Ron and Herminoe, because that's a change of events. But you couldn't go to one where Harry is a Time Lord, because that fundamentally changes what the setting is about.
Erm. My understanding is fanfic versions of alternate universe don't exist in jumps normally, otherwise every jump would have the danger of Mary Sues coming out of the woodwork to kill you instead of just Changeling.
What I want to know is how much awareness we have of these other dimensions. Can we try to open a door to 'a frozen Earth' in the middle of a battle, and then later open a door to 'the frozen Earth I dumped Lung on'? Do we have some sort of search function and mental Rolodex of dimensions we've connected to?
Look on the bright side: When you jump there you can prove to the world that you're a strong independant man who don't need no waifu!
Unfortunately canon Doormaker is kinda sensorily impaired; the power you get has the advantage of not brain damaging you, but there isn't a lot of info on how well he perceives the other worlds. It's worth noting that another parahuman, Labyrinth, who can bring pocket worlds into existence is in a constant hallucinating state.
Don't take my word as Worm's but I think given your power doesn't make you braindead and that Shards which perform similar functions make their users go woozy, your perception of those worlds would be very hazy and vague when you attempt to actively use it. Of course, you could always open a small portal to look before you leap at where you're going and it would probably be much easier if you know exactly where you're going, or if you're in a world where instead of there being infinite alternate universes there's metaphysics in place that make navigating the worlds easier, like the portals already in existence in Azeroth.
No, men practice other crafts. Men can still be biologists and doctors and lawyers and all sorts of learned roles. But magitech engineering is considered a traditionally feminine role for societal reasons that are difficult to summarize. If it makes you feel better, there are as many if not more weird and arbitrary restrictions on women's role in society as there are on men.
I was thinking of the kind of mary sue that has omnipotence or such.
Since jumps don't mention silly thing like Harry Potter God of Hyperdeath (+100 damage against omniverses) coming to kill you during your stay I would assume sillier fanfics like that don't exist.
They don't sound advanced enough for there to be any REAL biologists or doctors, and lawyers are not a respectable or worthwhile position. I'd respect a man who makes crafts out of bird shit before I respected a lawyer.
Is it just me or would it be really amusing if those darker and edgier Mary Sue In Name Only characters did exist, but ended up not being a problem do to deciding your not an enemy do to some kind of insane nonsensical reason?
For example Harry Poter God of Hyperdeath noticing your entry into a random timeline and thinking "A dimensional traveler reincarnated into that timeline. This will help ruin the plans of that manipulative old fool Dumbledore. There's no way the old goat can plan for this", and then thinking up more excuses even if you have bad things occur to that timelines version of them.
Presumably he could find them, but he didn't have Clairvoyant's total perception effect and/or speed of search.
I go by treating it about the same as the Dimensional Breach Controller.
Their level of technological sophistication is weird and all over the place, to be honest. Probably has to do with their society rising and falling multiple times over the centuries. But there are real biologists and doctors (though the existence of spren has confused microbiology somewhat, there's debate over whether microorganisms are living creatures or just very small spren), with one of the main protagonists being one. I'll give you the point about lawyers. However, these restrictions are regional ones, and many cultures in the setting practice completely different ones. So if Alethi standards of masculinity offend you, you can just head west to lands where the Vorin faith isn't as strong. Fewer plot-centric things happen there, but you can still be involved in important things.
You joke, but what happens if you end up in something both terrible that was actually meant seriously - like Methods of Rationality?
...might be worth it, just to slap that goiter of an SI in the face with what a nasty little hypocrite he is.
Not in the modern west, anon. Are you posting here from Saudi Arabia?
I see. If it's a regional thing it might be less abhorrent. Alethi sounds like a shithole regardless.
They do have surgeons and doctors worth the name, and priests can learn more or less whatever they want. Gender segregation is really heavy in setting though. Even the food is different for each gender.
Women can't involve themselves in military matters, and are more or less banned from most leadership positions and physical pursuits including doctoring as well as IIRC. (They are also expected to keep one of their hands concealed at all times for some odd reason. It's considered erotic for some reason.)
Men on the other hand can't be engineers, or artists, or even learn how to read the common script, instead only being allowed to learn simplistic glyphs.
The exception are priests who can do whatever the hell they want, except rule or own things.
That's all in Vorin lands though. Other places have different standards.
I guess? I mean, they'd have to be really convoluted in the case of certain jumpers.
"Oh look, an elfen omni-demon with a subdimension full of over 100 different kinds of superintense life energy. But because I'm already destined to win always she is clearly not a worthwhile asset to my entourage, and all I need is the power of MC-kun's love to destroy my enemies"
"Golly, that blonde woman's devouring an entire world! That's 40 times as big as my ego, but as the rightful heir to the dojo she'll surely recognise my natural spirit authority and do as I say when it's time for me to beat up Aizen!"
"I refuse to understand how a multiverse can be alive. I must be tripping balls"
Oh, Alethkar is totally a shithole. One of the viewpoint characters is the brother of the former king, uncle to the current one. His inner monologues tend to feature frustration about how his countrymen are awful and seem to actively work against any efforts he makes to turn Alethkar into a better kingdom. "Just...oh my god, stop squabbling over this stupid shit. We have giant rock monsters attacking the kingdom, Ehlokar. Giant rock monsters. Whether this woman is showing proper modesty by keeping her writing hand covered is not the important thing right now."
I'm sure there is, but how is that relevant to my post at all? Anon said 'welcome to being a woman' with the pretext of the real world, not some specific book setting. Chances are if that anon is posting here, they're probably in a society where women aren't under those kinds of restrictions.
Seems like perks that let you teach people and then going around teaching 'storytellling' in the form of these funny symbols that tell stories when you put them next to each other would work.
Or those 'make something popular' perks to do pretty much the same thing.
Or just a shitton of self contained computing systems with kiddie learn to type and read and write programs on it.
They have women read to them and write for them. It's a large part of why they aren't considered irrelevant despite being banned from leadership.
Depends on how good and comfortable you are with lies. You might be able to pass yourself off as Herald, basically divine saviors with odd powers. The church is largely responsible for the way things are and have taken some major hits over the past century. You could claim they fucked things up again.
They're not illiterate, they just have their own separate writing system based on ideograms like East Asian languages use rather than an alphabet. So it's much harder to learn full competency, but easier to learn individual words and phrases. Much lower overall literacy rates, but they've got enough to get by.
Not very. It's already happening in canon, I imagine you could speed it along without too much trouble.
I believe the point is that men would not want to live in that world, or at least dislike that part of it; just like how women would not want to live in/dislike that part of the worlds you describe. Though I am fine with this idea being explored in fiction, do not know about the other non.
So they're morons completely controlled by their women (or any woman with a brain at any rate, having full control of the information people process is having full control over their reality). The men here are completely fucking useless.
It doesn't sound like a full writing system, though. Sounds like some kiddy runes for idiots to easily look at and understand.
I am blowing this place up, by god. Is there anything here worth saving at all?
I apologize if I was unclear. What I meant by "welcome to being a woman" was in regards to the way you felt discovering that a fictional setting basically removes you gender from playing any important or interesting roles, and leaves them playing the bit parts. I didn't mean to imply that was what my actual life was like, just how I feel way you're feeling right now way more often than I'd like.
Well, like I said, it's only lands that practice Vorinism that do this. The western half of the continent should be much more acceptable for you. We do see characters from non-Vorin states in the series, and they tend to find Alethi societal traits to be pretty ridiculous. Doesn't help that the Alethi have a lot of other dumb rules. For one thing, they discriminate based on eye color. See, attuning to a shardblade causes your eyes to go pale, and in many cultures the power of a shardblade is an ultimate symbol of authority. This has spread even to those who have naturally light-colored eyes. So if you have dark eye colors in the East you're a filthy pleb unfit for any position of importance. Go back to being a farmer, let the lighteyes handle the big boy stuff. Yeah, Alethkar really is kind of a shit hole, now that I summarize things like this.
... Did you miss the part where men are in charge? Of pretty much everything? Women can control information, but it's almost always men who actually decide what to do, and then the women are expected to abide by that. Particularly because only men are actually allowed to DO things. And there are the male priests who can as scholarly as they want. They're not rare either, so a vast feminist conspiracy to control all the information ever would be doomed to fail.
I mean yeah, most men are illiterate but they aren't irrelevant.
They're ostensibly in charge, much like the Chinese Emperor before the Three Kingdoms period was in charge in name, but the country was actually ruled by the Eunuchs who controlled their upbringing, learning, and life and thus their world.
Well as someone with very dark eyes, they do suck. Discriminating based on it is stupid, but dark eyes are in fact ugly and generic as hell.
And I heard you about the other countries, it's just that this place existing annoys me. Depending on when I take the jump in my chain I'd either blow it up or effect quick and vicious cultural upheaval (in which there will be many bloody purges).
Uh, the...neat flying fish and crustaceans, the mobile plants, the mystic storm energy and the coo spirits living everywhere? You know, literally everything >>45095568 pointed out? It all seemed pretty neat to me.
Geez, that sounds like a bit of an overeaction. If you just wanna commit genocide or destroy society, just commit genocide or destroy society. Don't take out your anger on the world, that's not healthy.
Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice and Fire is probably the most famous. Not that there aren't exceptions everywhere, they're just portrayed as being uncommon among the general trend. Well, unless you're from up North in which case it mostly boils down to how well you fight.
There's a simliar situation in The First Law trilogy, which is basically an edgier ASOIAF anyway.
Here, I banged something out right quick. Let me know what you guys think.
I decided to go with a minimalist opening, but now I'm thinking that not enough people would be familiar with the premise and I'm thinking it might need a more involved intro. I considered just copying the opening monologue, but I thought it needed a bit more than that. Feel free to post ideas.
>Depends on how good and comfortable you are with lies. You might be able to pass yourself off as Herald, basically divine saviors with odd powers. The church is largely responsible for the way things are and have taken some major hits over the past century. You could claim they fucked things up again.
All it takes is passing myself off as divinity? Pfft, I'd have done that anyway.
Wasn't that largely because nobody saw the emperor, and the Emperor had all most no contact with anyone save through them?
Here the figurative "emperor" is very much involved in day to day affairs. If the "eunuchs" didn't do what they were told it would be quickly found out and it would go very poorly for them.
True, but that's just an example of how an underclass can control the ruler through controlling what he knows. "Being in charge." in theory doesn't always work that way in reality, same way even an absolute king has to abide his lesser nobles.
As usual, I don't have enough CP. Gah, be merciful and add more drawbacks man.
Though to be fair it's often I start out with none
Would you mind at all at having it be recorded on the Joke Jumps folder on the drive?
Yeah, if a man completely ignored women's input it would go poorly for them. But like I said, there are plenty of male scribes and what not running around and usually the one relaying information get's checked multiple times or else the man in question has reason to personally trust their scribe. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it happens a lot less frequently than always.
Besides, most of the characters are pretty cool people, or at least interesting. Just change Vorin culture. It shouldn't be hard for a jumper than can blow up countries anyway.
Question on Mushoku Tensei, for jumper purposes if you can use the fighting spirit already does the magic armor provide any further benefit as a physical booster? I have other plans for it but I'm not sure since the matter is never broached in canon.
Depends on when I jump it. I tend to accumulate physical might before I do political. I like science and learning and all that, but I never did have the patience for teaching or politics, but I HAVE always wanted to zap laser beams and fling around tidal waves.
He didn't make that.
If you have that much personal strength you could just say "I'm a fucking Herald. You fuck ups are fucking up. Again." The setting has some cool stuff but not that much personal power. They'd probably figure you were related to their god somehow if you didn't hide your strength.
The Marvel Cinematic Universe is a big one nowadays. Same with Game of Thrones. Star Wars. Some of the Star Treks.
Yeah, I know all of these settings have female characters who do interesting and awesome things. But like >>45097313 pointed out, they're all exceptions - Princess Leia doesn't make you feel like any woman in Star Wars can be smart of capable, she feels like the one woman they're letting in the club. They're all secondary heroes as well - their moments are much less important or interesting than the real heroes'.
Nah - it's just not fleshed out enough yet.
Give it a year or two and maybe then.
It could be - at the moment there's "dude who eats souls and gains all their powers" and we haven't seen any real limits on the Gamer's ability to learn... but that doesn't have to be broken.
If it was made now though, I'd suspect it was just a power grab.
>Joke Jumps folder
Yeah, that's cool. That's where I intended for it to end up.
Here's a slightly better version though.
>Added an intro for people who aren't familiar with the series
The problem is that being The Gamer is several thousand CP worth of perks from multiple settings fused into one background, but the only thing fleshed out in the setting. It needs to go long enough for there to be interesting choices, instead of "be the Gamer."
You're pretty wrong about Star Wars, at least in general. As far as the Republic and the Empire at large felt, as well as the Jedi Order and the Sith, gender meant nothing. And as far as the only other big organization goes, the Hutts are all hermaphrodites, so it doesn't matte to them either. You might say that the big 7 movies have lacked any impressive female characters (and I agree), but the society and world of Star Wars isn't a sexist one, by and large. Of course the galaxy is absolutely huge and there ARE planets that hate men or hate women or whatever, but they're in the minority.
A fair point. I'll figure something else out.
I make no claim on this setting if someone wants to take a crack at it now or later.
Maybe I'll take a go at it once the next book comes out if it's still open.
Ah man the setting is great. That's at least half of the reason why I like the work. The other half is the characters.
Not sure if that last Caveat is a dealbreaker or not.
then again, a Demon is one who's willing to fuck over mortals for their own pleasure.
Think hard about that before you object :V
The problem is that all of that is secondary material which, by the way, is no longer canon. The new one is a lot better - the Ma-Rey Sue debate aside, the female background characters make it feel a lot more like women can be capable in that universe.
To be fair he'd just just been shot by Chewie's explosive laser crossbow, several hampering him and leaving him in immeanse pain. And he was toying with them for most of the fights.
How the fuck can you LIKE someone who has zero character? I can get being indifferent, but she isn't anything to actually like.
Secondary material, sure, but a lot of it was great. Don't disparage the EU as a whole or ignore it here.
I ended up liking Finn (as a character, Boyega as a person not so much) a whole hell of a lot more than I thought I would. Him and the pilot guy should've been the stars.
I haven't watched the latest SW precisely because from what I understand, it's a confused effort at pandering to nostalgic SW fans-down to copying the entire plot of A New Hope-and also what you said. I wouldn't be surprised if >>45098087 is not just right, but they wrote her deliberately like that to help the audience self-insert as her.
...oof. Yeah, that's. I suspect that's gonna be a dealbreaker for the lazy and those with actual morals.
To say nothing of the pseudo-pod/companion issues that arise if they're not consumed as energy
But well, if they are consumed and you're going for demons here being absolutely evil kudos-
So...it's Dark Binding: Building edition?
I'd recommend spelling out that once being tormented, they can't be restored in any way if you're keeping that bit in.
I guess I finally know what to do with Voldemort.
The last saber fight had some good points. How he kept hitting his wound, trying to power himself with pain, was a nice touch.
Also, the fight itself was /gorgeous/. The snow and the colors at night, the forest lit up by the lightsabers. . . For me, that's the most beautiful sequence in the entire film trilogy.
That's the problem. You shouldn't tweak fan's noses by making ta major antagonist pathetic. He's not a credible threat, and they didn't kill him so he's coming back. He's the new Jar Jar. Fuck.
Most of the perks and gear options have been for Devils/Demons being Chaotic Evil.
The 400 gear option for them is to convert souls into a wine with spiritual energy.
I actually should make it that you can't 'take out' souls sent into the afterlives, thanks for the reminder.
It doubles in size at 999,999,999 souls to accommodate them. But it can fit nearly 1000 times that many. Does Hell get very crowded eventually? I mean, it's Hell, I don't expect it to be pleasant, but it still seems like you'd have trouble managing the souls in such tight quarters.
Who, Voldemort? He... goes wherever it is people in Harry Potter go when they die.
Except in my chain, I turned him into a philosopher's stone, because it was the surest way to get rid of a person who comes back to life through soul fuckery, and I'm a fan of the classics.
Completely skipped the whole "Voldemort's returned!" plot in the second half of the series. I caught him when he was still a mutant snake baby. Followed Peter back to his location.
Bonus: Sirius Black lived because the Death Eaters crumbled shortly thereafter, and there was no battle at the Ministry.
I didn't do anything with the stone, though. It's just been sitting in a test tube in a desk drawer in my warehouse for several hundred years or so. Ran some scans on it. Studied it a little. Couldn't decide what to do with it. So's just been sitting there.
Souls still apparently retain a semblance of themselves in that form, and it's just the ONE soul all by its lonesome.
He must be bored as shit.
Ah, is that so? Well, at least with my way he actually has some use put to him.
I'm unfortunately trying to get the jump out as soon as I can, I've stalled on the gear so I can't think TOO much about the numbers.
I will say that the afterlives given could fit the entire population of humans given in the game, the world isn't that full of the bastards for obvious reasons
(Humans being hunted by demons)
I'll try to update it so that it's not completely useless in the long run, but right now my priority is finishing the gear and drawbacks by the end of the month.
I'm considering trying my hand at making a Dungeon ni Deai o Motomeru no wa Machigatte Iru Darou ka/Is it wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon/Danmachi jump. Would anyone be adverse to this or have any objections to it? Gauging interest and reactions.
They didn't really sell that though.
I wanted him to stasis that bolt, but for it to creep closer and closer - showing that the murder didn't really make him stronger - and then destroy his entire left forearm.
That way, he'd lose a hand like his predecessors AND actually be legitimately fucked up by the blast rather than just random dripping and chest beating.
How are you planning on doing the origins?
Adventurer, Supporter, God? Or are you going to go with a non-combatant origin?
For the record, I would suggest an option to import Companions as part of your selected familia, or alternatively to import a god to be your familia God. Or something.
Bear in mind, I haven't read the light novels, but I'll do my best to gist it. The story follows an adventure, specifically a low level scrub, who falls in lust with a high level girl when she saves him from being eaten by a Minotaur while dungeon diving. So he decides that he's going to win her heart by becoming the best scrub ever.
Once you get past the stupid name, it's actually fairly entertaining. Also, Lily a cute.
It wouldn't be true death, unless you were destroyed by something that can also kill a Rakasha.
Some of the things that can:
The Wand of Fire (and probably any similarly powerful energy blasts).
The Trident of Destruction.
The death-gaze of Kali or Yama.
Probably Kali's skull-topped prayer wheel.
A pissed-off Sam/Buddha/Kalkin.
There are probably at least a few others, as the Rakasha were kindof a big deal.
Alright then. The gods of various real world mythologies exist and manage the functioning of the world creating various species. One location of note on the world is the dungeon, a seemingly endless ever descending and expanding labyrinth of varying environments that continuously produces monsters far surpassing other creatures that emerged forth onto the surface of the world causing massive destruction. Creating a tower of babel to seal the entrance to the dungeon, humans and other species end up having it destroyed by the descent of the gods. Long story short, they got bored keeping the world functioning and came down to Earth for entertainment under a mutual pact to not use godly powers while on it. They granted a Grace to the various species which let them stand on even footing with monsters, and built a city over the dungeon Orario, and a new tower of Babel far surpassing the old one in height. Creating guilds "familias" of those who accepted their Grace the various gods split into factions in the city managed by the ruling entity of the city, The Guild which is managed by Ouranos. Some raid the dungeon for drop loot, magic stones that comprise the core of monsters, or pursue their own special interests and areas of focus. Some just try to see how far down it goes and what lies at the end.
The Grace/Status itself manifests itself on the recipient's back drawing out the experiences and innermost self into power. Reflected in an rpg like manner of level, parameters, and abilities drawn out by the Grace. A bit different from standard rpgs but that is a rough backdrop of the world so far.
It wasn't even that good
I'll post some women with a bit of Gravitas
It's still a spark in my eye at the present. Tentatively considering origins as Drop In, Country Bumpkin, Supporter, Adventurer, and a non-combat origin which I'm still mulling over a suitable name for. There might be more than this to follow, but off the top of my head this is it so far. I'm unlikely to include a god origin, simply due to their power restrictions being agreement only, and their power scope not being shown in series. I don't want to accidentally hand out omnipotence candy. I'm definitely going to include import options for companions to be in your familia, although I'm not so sure on importing gods from other settings. Percy Jackson's example has left me wary on the subject.
It isn't. Anime has the most fanservice, with manga a couple steps behind, and light novels having very little at all. I'll be working more with what translated light novel, and manga I can get my hands on.
Not a fan of her either, but she isn't a hobo...anymore. Not by the start of either series anyways. Certainly not after she robs Apollo blind either.
>why aren't jumpers getting obliterated by omnipotents
I figure it's the Benefactor looking after us during our chain. And for dealing with such things post-spark I bought The UnChousin One from Tenchi Muyo, and Beneath Notice from Hercules And Xena.
Because magic bacteria everywhere is stupid, as is your powers just making bacteria move around. Bacteriakinesis.
The force was meant to be mystical, and magical, and they gutted that too.
Mostly I think it's because explaining the Force at all is a bad idea. There's so much mysticism built up around it that to give definitive details about how it works kind of takes away from the sense of wonder.
My autistic rage is nearly consuming me, but that's not true. Midichlorians are our ability to USE the force. Plus, they're the stupidest thing to come out of the prequels, including JJ.
First of all, it was a member of said hokey religion who told us about them, so they clearly do understand about midichlorians. And that brings into question why any Jedi thinks about them in mystical terms. Secondly, from a storytelling perspective it's generally bad form to take something that was always presented vaguely and wrap it up in such a concise package. The human mind loves vagueness, it's why in horror the monster gets less scary once you see it. Things that are only half-understood have an appeal to them that things that are fully understood don't.
What you do behind closed doors is none of my business, anon. Unless that is your thing or you go out of the way to take drawbacks, I'm not going to screw you over, nor will you be anyone's slave.
You won't gain divinity from this jump, or be included in any pantheon. That said, I'm considering adding in a perk for letting you impart a Grace onto others. Posing as an unknown deity would bring about it's own questions and issues, as would someone without revealing their trick. I'm certainly not going to stop you from doing so if that's what you want to do.
I just go with the headcanon that they're just some form of benign bacteria that's adapted to reproduce most quickly in the presence of concentrations of the Force, like those found in the body of a potential candidate. So instead of it being microorganisms somehow giving any number of mystic powers (Force Ghosts especially don't work well with that explanation) it's just that they're an easy way to check for potential with the Force.
Also avoids silliness with my jumper shoving themselves full of the things to get stronger Jedi abilities.
>open door can't be stepped through by a toddler
Stepped? No. But once they figure out how, those munchkins can _crawl_. You blink and the little suckers are on the far side of the house.
>wants to be a god even if the jumpmaker said no
>a consolation prize is met with "meh that's all the god is good for"
>berate any other option as enslavement
Never change, /jc/.
And how do you expect to learn how to get out of slavery if you've never been enslaved? If you avoid every opportunity for it to happen, someday when it happens against your will you're going to be blindsided.
Hmm, The consolation prize was basically what I wanted so...
Oh wait, I get it now, I was being an ungrateful fuck.
Thanks for letting give people grace. That was more or less what I wanted. I may not get the title but it's effectively the same thing.
I have a few questions about two items from the marvel cinematic universe jump. For the Extremis formula and the strange formula. How hard would it be to remove the negative aspects of them amplifying the wrong thing or possibly exploding for example.
I was also wondering what happens if you have craftsmen of the gods from Viking Saga with this?
Lastly is it safe to combine them?
It doesn't sound like slavery from what I'm reading. It's not like you are forced to say with one god perhaps you can strike out on your own in the jump but I don't know anything about the setting.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to reply to that anon.
Or why I feel the need to reply to you.
Or why you feel I feel you feel he feels they feel you feel she feels you feel she feels he feels who feels they feel thee feels thy feels thou feels tai feels my feels your feels the feels these feels fie seals feels feels feels feels
I believe everyone in the Guilds has one.
Also in regards to you people thinking you can 'end' a conversation by offering a 'solution', my current plan is to look through my stuff to see if I have anything that can break pacts/promises/bindings and such.
You still must be serving a god to have power, no?
I don't think anybody does it in canon, but I don't think there's a system preventing them from doing so either. Nobody is going around flying solo, it's easier to join a familia, so they don't have a reason to do it that way.
Walking into a shop (up to a god) and paying for a tattoo (grace) doesn't make you a slave, anon.
This. Some of the gods are quite mercantile. Heck, unless you're choosing to stay, at the end of ten years you're going to be moving on regardless. Sign up for a ten year stint, leave with cool powers.
Having to work in their interests does though. Unless they actually do have gods sitting around who sell stat updates without having to join their guild, that's sort've the requirement to it.
Most guilds just have dues and you can leave whenever you want (though you'll probably upset the god in question and get a rep for being fickle). It's not slavery, so much as a job.
>You still must be serving a god to have power, no?
No. If you get a Falna to gain power, you can still decide to say "fuck you" to your god, and while you can't gain more power from any Exilia you gather until you can get your Falna updated, there's nothing stopping you from using what you've already gotten however you like. Of course, if the god is sent back to heaven (that is, would die except their powers automatically unseal and they leave the world) the Falna stops working, but you still have all the potential you had before, and you can get another god to get it back.
>I believe everyone in the Guilds has one.
The Guild is the Familia of Ouranos, so probably, yes. Most if not all Adventurers aren't members of the Guild, though. And while all Adventurers have a Grace, that's only because anyone from the setting without one would die in the dungeon because they're weak and monsters are STRONG. A long-term Jumper can easily avoid that, though, and keeping your Falna hidden is standard practice.
As a random anon, I think it's probably not safe to combine them as is, but jumpers can pick up lots of science so it's likely you can make them safe and probably even combine them once you've studied them a bit.
Then don't get it. It's necessary for people in-setting because it's how they gain power (literally, that is, it's not "the god gives you power because you carry their mark" but "the mark on their back is basically a stat screen that is modified to power them up"), but you're a jumper, you can go without if you've got enough power boosts already.
Grace is going to be a freebie perk, you can just not take it. The dungeon itself isn't inherently grace or die mechanic beyond powerful monsters and the dungeon itself being sentient and hating you. A jumper who put in the cp and work on other jumps could hold their own in there or go further than those in canon have reached depending on what they've done so far. I don't advise an early jumper to try tackling the dungeon without it but hey, if you think you're hard enough give it a go.
No problem m8.
Leaving a familia to join another requires permission, apparently due to the secrets of the deity being contained within. It's pointless plot drama that isn't resolved in translation so far. If you want to take the grace and do your thing that's cool, they can't compel you to do anything. At most, since they need to update the Grace to up your stats/abilities/level they can hang it over your head. Like I said before, this drama won't be a thing outside of drawbacks but then you're choosing it in that case.
Gods can put a lock on their Grace to keep other gods from poking it or seeing it on your back. Since others learning about your abilities can be bad if a rival familia learns about it and plans on sniping a rival familia's member.
And that laisez faire attitude almost destroyed it from the inside out when people got too into the stuff.
Zeus and Hera's familias canonically get wiped out by a fuck off super dragon prior to story start then chased out of Orario.
Should mention that after jump ends your Grace becomes self updating upon sleep/rest. Consider your Benefactor being the one updating it in your stead.
Like I said, while the setting has it's own issues and hang ups, I'm going to be going out of my way to not inherently fuck you over by choosing a perk. There won't be any trap options. Drawbacks will be another matter, but that is par the course.
You can't increase the power boost the Falna gives. It doesn't block you from improving in general, it's just that the boost from it is so large that people in-setting have no real other way to compare.
>What kind of person jumps a setting and gets nothing from it?
But Anon! Your experiences and journey in the world and seeing new things was your reward all along!
So yeah, it's slavery. As far as 'not taking it', I can refer you back to >>45100770 since people seem to love using that excuse. I'm saying I don't like something, I'm not saying to change it nor am I seeking a solution.
My current plan is to see if I have any magics of perks that let me use their power with impunity and they can't do shit. Secondarily, I'm going to look to see if I have anything to bind or mind control gods.
>and gets nothing from it?
Then don't get nothing? Spend your CP on whatever gets offered. Go into the Dungeon and use your Jumper powers to harvest magical crystals, fancy magical materials, and maybe some knowledge on how the Dungeon works. Buy the magical potions and gear the non-combat Familias make. Acquire waifus. Don't just rely on having power handed to you by a god. For someone so dead-set against being a slave, you sure don't seem to know what to do with freedom.
For like the fifth time, I'm not asking for a 'solution', especially not a stupid one like yours. I already have a plan, I just said I didn't like something.
I never got around to updating my build for that. Does it give you a magic ass tattoo of your god's name?
It's a tattoo of your own name on your ass. It's literally nothing more than some information about you and your abilities marked on your back. Something about transcribing your experience lets them power you up. It looks the same for all gods. They can't do anything to you but stop updating it. Kind of like how a boss would stop paying you if you didn't work for them.
Can you companion a god? They don't appear to have abilities too far from what normal people have.
>For like the fifth time, I'm not asking for a 'solution', especially not a stupid one like yours.
>"If I don't get the power-boosting slave branding, I get nothing from the jump!"
>"You know, there's a bunch of other things in the jump you can get. Here's some examples."
>"I DON'T NEED YOUR STUPID SOLUTIONS!"
>You making a consensual agreement to serve someone else in return for using their power, is slavery.
>But you taking their power for yourself and they can't do shit about it, is somehow not.
... anyone ever tell you your worldview is kind of fucked up, anon?
I'll stick 'em in a No-chamber.
Being slave tattooed in their service is what bothers me.
Also enslaving them is totally slavery. I don't care about enslaving other people, it's getting enslaved I don't like. I'm evil, anon.
Personally, I took nothing but Conflict Minerals in Mass Effect. I went for the catharsis, not the rewards.
Granted, it's unusual. But some settings are annoying enough that you don't want to be contaminated by their benefits.
Your spite is weak, child.
I am thankful for this meal I am about to recieve.
So, how do you keep up with your friends in past jumps Anon? Is it even possible?
>Take Naruto jump
>Buy my own summon contract
>Get friends to sign it
>Pass messages to them through talking kangaroos using ninja Australia as the middle dimension-man
Is it a blind spot or Naruto's world is frozen or cut off via jumpchain magick fuckery?
I don't know this setting so I can't pick out waifus, and you told me to go into the dungeon and pick stuff up which is what I was referring to there. I think I addressed everything else? Not sure, there's a lot of you.
Why do you hate Mass Effect, noble anon?
Silly baka, you're assuming the tattoo is just a brand of ownership, when it's the divine equivalent of getting custom cybernetics installed, so whatever god you're working for can connect to your magic and upgrade it with cooler powers.
The Emperor and his many blessings.
Through him we are delivered from Chaos
I told you you can buy stuff with cp (what exactly, we don't know yet, except that it's not a Falna since that's free) and get a bunch of stuff injump, some of it in the dungeon some of it not. Neither of which are nothing, neither of which are (or should be, jump's not out yet) useless, and all of which are getting something from the jump. If you don't want one free option from an unreleased jump because you don't like your assumptions about the thematics, and can't think of anything else of value to you because you don't know the setting, the problem here is not the jump not offering anything of value. It's you assuming there's nothing based on your own ignorance of the setting and bitching about it.
The tech tree's dependence on a resource you'll never see again, mostly. If I want to cook up more Eezo, I need to jump through a whole bunch of hoops to do so. Supernovas and/or alchemy wank are pretty far out of my desired development path, and pretty much everything it can do I can do as well or better anyway.
As for the setting itself... I wanted to like it. but I just couldn't bring myself to. Cool ideas drowned in poor execution.
>Worshipping a corpse.
Fool you bind yourself from greatness. Why worship him when you could gain more power with the runic powers?
Hmm. Am I misinterpreting or does this mean, if we sign up with a god, they can see our stats?
>sign up with Hestia
>she's just so happy to have a follower
>she installs Grace
>discovers you can already benchpress the Titanic and blast holes through mountains
Things seem to revolve around it, as far as in-setting power goes, it's probably all tied back to it. Or is it not? I'm also not sure if the items are anything I can find use for. You'd know better than me, again, but it doesn't seem to be the focus either. I should also say that I prefer using entirely in-jump powers during a jump except under duress, and even then I like the pretense.
Finally, I'm not saying there's a problem with the jump. Never was. No attacks on the jump. Just talking about how I didn't like the slave tattoo.
I mean, you can think that's cool, sure. But it's also the brand.
You could get it from Anno, I think. But that's an understandable reason not to like the tech.
Isn't Nurgle literally a corpse?
You know if your trying to recruit someone you probably shouldn't use the symbol of the 'god of being a dark and edgy backstabbing team killer that even the other ruinous powers hate'.
Luck perks plus jumps where you can buy perks that make defeated foes drop loot are nifty for that sort of thing.
>Oh, I'm running low on eezo. Better go out and slay a few zombies.
Sure, I guess. But I couldn't think of a more selfish goal.
>Insert pro humanity arguments from last thread
>No man is an island
I've been through this song and dance Heretic, you cannot sway me.
I'm not sure if this would work for you, but I had a thought I was curious about,
What if you took Path of the Gods, had a few perks that ensure you retain control of the fragment, and then replace it with one of the gods from this setting?
Oh, I'm aware that there are ways to get more. But that would involve spending CP on perks to enable a techbase that is redundant at best compared to others with less finicky material requirements.
This isn't to say I didn't have fun in Mass Effect; I had plenty. It just wasn't about the perks I got, which is where this response chain started:
>What kind of person jumps a setting and gets nothing from it?
The kind who wonders what the Catalyst's face will look like milliseconds before his computational substrates are devoured by a horde of technorganic abominations.
Only because Konatanon would waifu you first, and it would not be fun
If you do decide to convert to a new religion for power I recommend looking somewhere other than the ruinous powers. Wanting to be selfish is no reason to be stupid.
For example there's Zarus from the Dungeon and Dragons Races of Destiny book. Which is basically the god of "Humans are better than everything else, and the non-humans are fools that need their guidance at best".
>Things seem to revolve around it, as far as in-setting power goes, it's probably all tied back to it. Or is it not?
Not really. IIRC it's implied to basically be the process of turning into a god, and while it does let you become massively stronger and faster (to the point where the equipment made by gods and their familias is needed to not just shatter on use like a normal weapon would, both from the force of the adventurers swinging it and the toughness of the monster targets it's hitting that often completely outclass the adventurers), the main thing it's useful for is as a shortcut for learning magic, and acquiring skills and development abilities. In-setting, the magic is very, very powerful, though the most impressive feats are blasting, to the point that a high-end caster can wipe out in one spell a horde of monsters that an entire Familia had been struggling to hold back while the caster chanted.
Also, the magic crystals that can be harvested from dead monsters are the foundation of the entire economy of the city. This is a city where you can buy things that are literally made by the gods, and yet the crystals are still the main export.
>Isn't Nurgle literally a corpse?
Weren't some Anons pledging themselves to her service, despite profuse protest on her part?
Maybe I've mixed up my namefriends. That would be embarrassing; I can't even shitpost properly!
I'll allow it. You can companion your chosen god, although godly powers are sealed for the chain. They can give Grace, likely have some perks from the jump, and have the stats of whatever you left the jump as. Sound fair?
Your Grace starts out the same as any other person who gets theirs. Shows level one with bottom level in all stats, because that reflects your starting point. Like all the other perks in chain it interacts with your base abilities and functions from there. This is NOT a nerf to any of your abilities. Just as far as the Grace knows you're level 1, even if your base is something ridiculous thats the foundation it's going to build off from. The mental image is funny to imagine.
It's some sweet looking ink though. Here's an image of Hestia's.
Magic batteries that serve as the core of a monster's existence. The setting uses most of it's tech on it given the dungeon has an unlimited supply.
They do a bunch of other things too I imagine.
But they are also probably a symbol of having killed a bunch of monsters which could possibly have been a threat to the city. Much like how wolf pelts used to be used as currency.
People are masochists so I'd think Val has a little bit of interest
They could get me by playing on my desire to help people. That's my greatest weakness, and my greatest strength.
To quote the one asking, "I wasn't wrong." Probably not a good idea to try picking up monsters in it.
Maybe the sentient peaceful ones cut off from the dungeon's hive mind. They're pretty okay. Hard to find and elusive given they have to deal with adventurers and other monsters connected to the dungeon that see them as enemies.
If that's the case I'd pledge immediately. I've seen enough deity mortal romances to know that it never ends well. If she lets me do my work in peace I don't care about much else.
Given that by now, Red is probably her Garden... her Grace would...
Well, I hope you enjoy sunlight, fresh air, the feeling of rich earth on your roots and being a treant demigod.
Well, her previous claim to fame was the DPP, but she doesn't talk about that much anymore. Mostly when she mentions a project, it is very specifically the garden. So yeah, we pay attention to it because she brings attention to it. That's generally how that works.
And? She doesn't talk about them in the threads. Not everyone's going to dive into pastebin.
Besides, her garden is the only project she actually had to come up with a separate project for in order to survive interacting with that project.
No it isn't. You don't resolve 'how does an animal control a mystical force' by going 'oh, it's not the animal, it's a bacteria.'
What you CAN do is that midichlorians are indicative of force saturation. They breed best in a force rich environment, and can therefore be used as a tool to approximate or assess an individual's force saturation.
This isn't fucking hard.
>hey breed best in a force rich environment, and can therefore be used as a tool to approximate or assess an individual's force saturation
I thought that was the explanation. It's actually what lets you use the force?
Somebody who can twist those parasites into something more useful. If they're shacking in, they're living by your fucking rules, which means they're pulling their weight.
Besides. Alt-form restrictions. Keep 'em in one form, they can't fuck around with the others.