Much of the media that fa/tg/uys consume show the hero as dextrous - pulling off superhuman sword manuevers, trick shots with guns, crazy parkour, et cetera. It's a way of doing action hero stuff while still having a body that conforms easily to social expectations of attractiveness. The strong guy in these same shows tends to be either dumb or comic relief.
>>45073369 Because humans are all about technique. There is too much shit that is just plainly born with strength beyond human capabilities, but none of those animals teach people how to properly swing stuff.
Also human body compared to animals has great range of movements.
Humans are totally Con(with smaller relation of con to hp and more to stamina)/Dex build
Because having a higher percentage to not get hit (DR/<><>) seems like it's better than a bonus to damage, but people forget there's a limit to what agility can accomplish against a wave of fire in a open dragon hoard.
>extremely large frontal lobes >binocular vision (invaluable for using slings, spears, bows and later guns) >thumbs >perspiration (allows us to run without overheating)
Also humans can chase animals for a long time. An early method of hunting was to just chase animals until they got exhausted.
I say humanity's definitely got constitution on its side if anything. Str is hard to gauge desu. Common misconception is that large animals are natural aggressive and violent when in reality most large animals are herbivores and use their size as a deterrent. Elephants, (though there are historical exceptions) don't go rogue and start fucking everything up.
The only exception I can think of are Hippopotamuses and some predatory sharks.
do muscles really affect how hard you can throw a punch or how badly it will hurt?
How does that work anyway? What causes a super muscular guy who throws a punch to do more damage as opposed to like a skinny or fat dude? Wouldn't a fat dude's punch hurt pretty bad? Idk someone explain it to me
>>45074794 Muscles generate force and torque that moves the body. Muscles are basically behind your acceleration capability. Full explanation of every movement of your body is pretty hard.
More muscles means you can generate more force which means everything accelerates faster while keeping the same weight. Basically skinny dude with the same muscles as fat dude throws medium speed punch with skinny arm behind. Fat dude throws slow punch with fat arm behind.
Of course it doesn't work that way since applying weight is really hard when your arm is connected to your body and interlocks with it creating very complicated movement that depending on how you use my be more of a rigid body or less of a rigid body.
But basically if you consider just body tackle that still uses muscles.
Skinny dude with no muscles goes medium speed and collides with something causing it to kinda hurt.
Fat dude with no muscles goes slow but is a fatass so it still kinda hurts. Not that easy to stop.
Muscly dude will move even faster than skinny dude in the example and will still be heavier than him so you get let's say medium weight very high speed collision that can kill.
Depends on the system. In 3.5/PF, dex gets initiative, AB and AC and in some cases damage. STR just gets AB and damage. A STR can up their AC and initiative via other means, of course, but Dex already does that for less feat/gold investment.
That being said, I thematically prefer Str to Dex just as pure style.
>>45073874 Nah its true. Real cardio not 1-hour on a tredmill cardio kills muscle gain hard. Thats why a piss ton of runners have that wiry look to them. Its just how your body deals with its priorities and since the cardio is strenous on your heart thats priority one in this case rather than bulking muscle. Eating more just kills both gains.
>>45075153 Why is your body such a retard? "Oh I haven't needed to lift anything heavy in a couple of weeks, let me just turn all this muscle into fat because I will never, ever need it again." Fuck you body.
>>45075071 I kinda like the look. Most of the other Riders have this thin, lithe look about them, so it's nice to get some variety. Plus the suit makes him look like a damn tank that walks like a man. Someone is going to hurt themselves if they punch that guy.
>>45075153 >piss ton of runners have that wiry look to them That's because the runners you see in the Olympics are about running only, they don't need any muscle besides legs and even then endurance is top priority. Short distance runners look great though. >Its just how your body deals with its priorities and since the cardio is strenous on your heart thats priority one in this case rather than bulking muscle Muscles are useless without cardio, but I don't see how it would degrade muscle gains to strain your heart. And I don't see how food kills any muscles.
And what the fuck is real cardio anyway? Marathons? 1-hour for mediocre runner should be around 12km, 20km for good one.
Even so, the size of that girl, even with the speed and momentum she generates would be entirely unable to throw a body like that.
Especially without breaking her leg from the force of impact required to do so.
Basically, you never take your eyes from whatever you're fighting, this includes no needless spinning, because if you spin a bunch, you're going to get fucked up when they attack with your back turned, and optimally you never want to leave the ground, either, because any impact will send you careening in a direction you don't want.
>>45077068 I actually meant the way actions that take very little time are dragged out to give everyone a time to react and explain what happened with a thesis and show everyones reaction to the explanation but you are not wrong either.
>>45076948 Vampires don't weigh less than normal people, anon.
And physics still applies to them, regardless.
Keeping that in mind, the force necessary to throw another person of your size in the fashion that she was thrown, would also throw her back since being on your tiptoes doesn't allow you to in any way negate that much force bowling you straight back.
Basically what I'm saying is, it's fucking stupid, and you should feel bad for defending it.
>>45074397 >But the "five times" figure was refuted 20 years after Bauman's experiments. In 1943, Glen Finch of the Yale primate laboratory rigged an apparatus to test the arm strength of eight captive chimpanzees. An adult male chimp, he found, pulled about the same weight as an adult man. Once he'd corrected the measurement for their smaller body sizes, chimpanzees did turn out to be stronger than humans—but not by a factor of five or anything close to it.
Proportionally stronger than people, yes (but so are a lot of animals) but not in terms of total strength
They still exerted the force necessary to actually fly.
They didn't just float there all willy nilly, and they didn't "nothin personnel" people either.
Usually the wind was involved with how they flew. Otherwise they actually changed shape into something that could naturally fly.
Imagine jumping, except when you leave the ground you don't stop exerting force on your body to propel yourself forward. That is precisely what they did. How? Magic, of course, but they still did everything by the books.
Just because we can;t fly on our own doesn't mean that something that can violates physics. They aren't human, they have more options available than we do in that regard.
>>45073369 You use it to hit with literally anything, plus a whole bunch of other important skills like sneaking and riding horses. That's why it costs twice as many character points as strength, which is just HP, lifting capacity and damage with muscle-powered weapons.
>If I have high enough dex, it is impossible for you to hit me!
No, that takes dex and skill. And you're still going to take hits because you don't have amazing precognitive abilities to predict where your opponent's going to swing without even looking at him and then backflip over the blade.
Theatrics are called theatrics for a reason, and belong in fiction.
You need a minimum of strength and training to make dex work because you're still going to have to parry and grapple and be able to do well in a ground fight.
Just like you need a minimum of training and skill to make strength work, or you will forever be telegraphing your massive swings and then missing every one of them even when the enemy doesn't try to dodge.
One does not work without the other two being at certain minimums of competence.
Strength and dex each have their own strengths (har har) and weaknesses.
Dex is for the guerrilla warrior who is constantly on the move and cannot carry or afford heavy armor to protect himself in battle. Or skirmishers or thieves or rogues.
Strength is for the line fighter who has a horse and wagon to carry his heavy armor, and who battles in predetermined places at predetermined times so he has time to get that armor on. It is for the town guard, the lumberjack or the mason who do not have to carry the heavy loads their strength enables them to wear and wield very far.
You want to talk about damage potential? Training is king. Strength makes it easier to do damage because you're imparting more force, dex makes you more likely to hit the exact spot you're aiming for so you can go for specific ouch points. But neither of those are worth two diarrhea squirts in a hurricane if you don't know what the flying fuck you're doing. You have to know where to hit, how not to be hit in return and how to direct your opponent so his guard is off the location you're intending to hit.
>>45077924 >Training and skill training and dex, that is.
Dex gets past guard purely through technique and in some cases by being plain faster than your opponent. Strength gets past guard by battering the opponent's weapon about, grappling with him, and otherwise physically throwing him off. Both do the job, and it is only when you have extremes of one and inadequate levels of the other that one is "better."
>>45074174 You retards, that's not DEX or AGI, that's him passing a goddamn bluff check.
Look, he's claiming he can perceive events BEFORE A RESULTING PHOTON COULD EVEN LEAVE THE ATOM. He can't SEE it. How the fuck does he perceive it then? The answer is HE DOESN'T. The Flash is making shit up knowing nobody can really call him on it. Look at the smug little smirk on his face: he's so full of shit.
>>45077915 No, it doesn't, as no where does it state they reduce their mass, they merely change their shape.
>becoming smaller =/= removing mass
That's what compression is.
And they are producing energy from something, magic is the catalyst which produces the energy, maybe the magic is taking energy from the resting state of their surroundings, maybe they are pulling energy straight from Hell to move themselves.
No where is it explicitly stated how it works, yet every conceivable and sensible answer makes sense within the laws of physics.
Dex, you have to use misdirection - you feint and poke and jab and lead them to think you're going to attack a particular spot, and then skewer them through the hole in their defense they opened in order to protect that spot. You have to be technically adept.
>>45074723 >Also humans can chase animals for a long time. An early method of hunting was to just chase animals until they got exhausted. Sure, until we left Africa. When we went into Asia and Europe the winters there made persistence hunting impossible; here we are, animals adapted for efficient strides over grassland and for shedding as much heat as possible suddenly hunting in knee-deep snow in temperatures below freezing. No wonder Africans dominate all the running sports at the Olympics: every other branch of humanity had to do a complete 180 on the way they hunted. Suddenly preparation was critical, setting traps, working together, inventing clothes, better weapons... and we had competition from other hominids when we got there too, Neandertals and who knows what else.
Humans might be CON, but we're also INT and CHA. Our STR DEX and WIS (senses) are all fucking garbage compared to just about anything else on the planet.
>>45078120 She is a vampire and therefore is magical. Maybe she uses that matter compression you mentioned to give herself a denser, stronger body. Or maybe she just uses magic to redirect the energy. Or maybe since she is a god damn vampire she just lets her leg get broken and it heals.
>>45078181 You can see she doesn't do any of that.
You're a silly one. With no visual representation, assuming something is happening means everyone is right, simultaneously meaning everyone is wrong.
>inb4 "we can't see bacteria but they are real"
Too bad we can, and there is a reason every anime ever shows when people power up by adding in some effect, its so that you know it is happening. Otherwise people are just standing there or screaming for no reason.
But really, compressing means you make it smaller, her leg didn't shrink, so that one's out.
She didn't redirect the energy, because no air is displaced in a funny way, nor debris generally moved by force like that being displaced strangely (this includes dust, dirt, sweat, paper on the ground, shit like that).
And her leg doesn't deform in any way, so it breaking is also out of the question.
Vampires exist through fantastical interpretation of -mundane- means. They drink blood to stay alive, blood possesses the qualities of life, so, like siphoning gas from a car to power yours, they drink blood to sustain their "engine".
The use of magic doesn't come naturally to classic vampires, it is through practice, teaching, or manipulation of a curse that they possesses magic. And many traditional vampires weren't explicitly magical, for that matter, either.
>>45078586 Only compared to things much smaller than ourselves. I wouldn't call anything that is weaker than most of its equals strong, just stronger than those guys. A leopard I might call strong, or a draught horse.
>>45078686 Nigger her heart probably doesn't beat. How many albinos die and turn into dust after a few seconds exposure to sunlight? How many ticks survive for five times their usual lifetime by feeding off the blood of other ticks? How many magnifying glasses halt the ageing process and give you the ability to change shape?
Humans don't literally combust when they step outside on a normal day, Albinos, who might be pained, still don't go up like the Hindenburg.
I think his point was that something like a vampire, which has its entire existence and function explained as "It's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit" shouldn't be beholden to the laws of physics. Plus it's an anime vampire, which is even more bullshit.
Just chill man, let anime vampires do anime vampire stuff.
>>45078787 Its not even far up there on the list of anime physics breaking bullshit. >>45078800 Are you saying its impossible to have invisible magic? Is it so hard to believe we might not be able to see something fictional when there are things in real life we cant see? >>45078829 Why would you think I am angry? I have been watching animes in between answering you. Anime with far less understandable things than a vampire being able to flip and kick someone.
>>45078920 Pls, anon, we're all retarded, no one is pretending.
>>45078927 Is it so hard to believe we might not be able to see something fictional when there are things in real life we cant see?
Not at all, however, in a visually stimulating media, not showing a visual cue is the same as something simply not happening. Even when something happens that isn't shown, it is later explained to show that it did, indeed happen.
For there to be no visual representation would be the same as words not being on a page, and then saying that something happened without the book ever explaining the empty space, even in an implied fashion.
>>45079209 >Literally everyone but the die-hardest of Deathstroke fans all agree that was utter bullshit. And yet it's canon. What can we conclude, other than the fact that comic books are utterly retarded and nothing in them is to be taken seriously? They have the internal consistency of a Looney Tunes cartoon, except capeshit still has the arrogant pretense of being mature and to be taken seriously.
>>45079345 After seeing her do a fucking quintuple spinning flip kick you should have a reasonable idea that in that context it at least means capable of spinning and/or kicking. Thats like telling me that leaf you had was a tea leaf after I watched you make tea with it.
>>45079456 >>45079483 Except for the part where she blasted someone into a pillar without being blown away by the force of her own kick. You know? the thing you were complaining she shouldnt be able to do?
>>45079840 The maneuvers she performs are humanly possible. Within the space alotted they are not. The inevitable result of the actions taken are also not humanly possible, each statement corroborated such.
I stated that from the beginning, you cannot into reading.
>>45080026 You arent though. Even your earlier arguments were poorly thought out. The only thing you were ever right about was the very first point which was justified in universe as her being a super powered individual. You cant even say you didnt know because you continued to argue after I told you she was super powered.
>>45080084 It was another vampire surprise attacking them. If two people with equal senses can be surprise attacked than a vampire can do the same to another. Also no, hemophiliacs do not let people drink their blood in the middle of the night out on some street because that would kill them.
>>45078294 I am more than 100x the weight of any creature that can lift something 100x it's weight. Humans are some of the strongest creatures when you think in terms of size and variability, some animals have stronger muscles, but our musculature is arranged to allow us greater ranges of motion.
Horses have stronger legs than humans, but they are also nearly incapable of moving their legs sideways, you could overpower their lateral movement with a single hand.
We're all arounders, but with more total statpoints (to use a vastly oversimplified /tg/ related metaphor)
>>45080140 >Also no, hemophiliacs do not let people drink their blood in the middle of the night out on some street because that would kill them.
False. You can safely open up surface wounds on the neck that bleed without endangering your life. And the location in which you do it is largely irrelevant unless you are somewhere like standing in sewage, because infection.
There is nothing that states that they are both vampires.
>>45080200 Horses are incredibly fragile, dude. You picked the worst animals. I've worked on a farm, horses break bones from the slightest things. Hell, they're the biggest bitches on the planet. They will whine about scratches from sun up to sun down.
>>45080305 What was it you said earlier? >I don;t agree with anon
>WAAAHHH I'LL CALL HIM MEAN THINGS! Oh no, I'm sorry you cant stand to be wrong on the internet. >>45080329 Are you blind? You dont have to be trained in bloodstain patterns to see it comes from his neck.
>>45080356 They can still kick your chest concave and trample you into the dirt. People arent exactly made of metal either, you know how many people have died because they tripped and hit their head of the ground? My dad has seen so many people who have broken their legs from tripping over he couldnt even count it.
>>45080445 Horses are really easy to confuse and outmanuever. All you have to do is run around it, make quick feints and then just punch it in a sensitive spot. It'll run away at that point. Horses are so fucking sissy and incredibly prissy about their legs. Pose any mild threat to their legs and they will most likely run if they can. If they physically cannot run away, they'll put up fight, but otherwise a horse will try to run away from danger 99% of the time
>>45080200 I have beaten a draft horse in a fist fight. Her name was Zora and she was a cunt. Sometimes she would challenge for dominance which usually involved letting me ride until she thought she had a chance to buck me off and trample me, but occasionally she would attack me during feeding time. One day enough was enough and I decided if she wanted to duke it out I would duke it out. Horses might be strong in very specific ranges of motion, they are very very weak in others. Sure they could pick you up in their teeth and shake you til your spine snaps, but they're not fast enough to really fight someone who's not paralyzed by fear. >>45080230 You would imagine, and yes they are overall. But not this bitch of a horse, she was pure evil nailed to 4 iron shoes. >>45080445 Yeah and I could break a horses ribs with a solid punch. They're very very fragile because they're pretty much as big as a creature can be while being built for speed and endurance over durability like elephants and rhinos. Hell a horse that falls over is likely to break it's ribs and legs and possibly even get it's organs crushed under their own weight. They have the weight of a megafauna like rhinos and buffalo while possessing the anatomy of something that should logically be half that size.
plus they're so slow that you'd have to be fucktarded to actually get hit with a kick or knocked over and trampled. By the time they've even lifted their back end or reared you have more than enough time to dodge
Exactly! Different stats for different situations. And experience is key.
That's why CHA is the superior stat. With that, I can talk both the high STR guy and the high DEX guy into joining me. I may only have those stats by proxy, but it's a small price to pay in order to have them both working together.
>>45074884 Think of it like this. You have a trebuchet worked by a team of ten people. It will throw rocks of a certain weight at a certain speed and do damage based on that. Now, if you increase the number of people working it to 50, it can throw rocks of the same size much further and faster.
Now, take that scenario and modify it. The number of people becomes your strength. The trebuchet is your arm. The rock is your fist. Increase the amount of strength acting on your arm and you can move your fist to hit harder.
>>45076183 What do you think would happen if the speedy dude, assuming hes actually speedy and not just average, ran in between the big dudes legs and punched him in the balls 5 times per second for 5 seconds?
>>45077505 I dunno where yer getting that from but if its Dracula then its a bad example. Dracuka being a vamp meant little. Most of his ''power'' came from him having sold his soul to satan for magic. He was a witch but vampires were not inherently witches.
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