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Grixis will be the next big thing.
Best get your Jace's and Snapcasters ready.
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>>45066423
I'll rape grixis any day
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I hope so. I switched to Scapeshift after Twin was banned and I have a bunch of Grixis cards to load off.
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/tg/ what does modern need to make control viable?
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>>45066696
Force of will
Jace
Enchantress precense
SFM
Brainstorm
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>>45066696
Better answers and an instant game winning threat
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>>45066515
If only wizards...
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>>45066696
People have different opinions, fuck I even heard one guy here say that we need force and brainstorm (I don't think it's that bad). But control has a problem od stabilizing then losing anyway because turns out their opponent just finds another problem that needs to be dealt with immediately. Control needs either a good finisher or card draw source then to stay ahead once it is
What we need is something to draw cards, as card draw is too hindered and either sensai's top or jace as one gives us countertop and the other gives us a finisher.

The fact that wizards hasn't let cards that push their new world order s bit into modern has, over time, caused this to happen
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>>45066423
How many playsets do you want to sell, memefag?
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>>45066722
>Enchantress precense
>tfw enchantress will never be a thing in modern
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Sword of the meek did nothing wrong
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>>45066696
a reliable counterspell and a decent card draw mechanic is what I've seen so far
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>>45066696
Top + Counterbalance
JtMS
Better card selection, i.e. Ponder/Preordain
Maybe Swords to Plowshares or Vindicate.

That or Sol lands to make MUD a viable choice.
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>>45067341
>enchantress presence
>argothian enchantress
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>>45066722
>>45066939
>>45067368
We get it, you like durdling
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>>45067341
So basically you want Miracles in Legacy AND Modern. I don't think that's good for either format.
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>>45066696
Esperfag here, reprint Counterspell and Innocent blood, ban Eye of Ugin. That would make Esper a high Tier 2 deck. Without Tron/Eldrazi as a horrible matchup I can focus more on beating burn and aggro without compromising my positive combo and midrange MUs.

Unbanning Ancestral Visions would probably make UWR Tier 1 or 2 again.
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>>45067670
Ancestral vision is shit against eldrazi decks though
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>>45067740
And it's great against everything else.

Besides, memedrazi will be a cakewalk for control if Eye of Ugin is banned because they no longer have a real source of card advantage and are back to being a big midrange deck.
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>>45067760
And what makes you think they will ban Eye of ugin? Eldrazi is barely tier 1
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>>45068033
Eye of Ugin is a big part of the consistency and power of Tron, especially now that most lists play 3 Newlamog. There's no deck that can really survive 3 Newlamog's in a row, and Tron can start casting them off Eye on turn 5 or 6. It's a death sentence for control and midrange.
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>>45066423
Grixis already came and went. I'm still holding on to my Jaces, but I doubt I'll be using them in Modern.
There's that Grishoalbrand list that had 4 of them, but I'm not sure they're good in that deck
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>>45068083
Reprint wasteland/howling mine
>>45067614
I don't see a problem except prices going up
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>>45068189
Waiting for rotation
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>>45066696
Control is already viable.
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>>45068270
Stony silence
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>>45066696
As somebody who plays an azorius mid-range control aggro deck (surprisingly does really well against most other moderns), you simply need answers. They cast a spell. counter. Their spell got through? Removal. They have nothing and you haven't made a move yet? Creature (Something like Saint Of Geist Traft). They are playing Aggro? Counter-aggro e.g Windborn muse, azorius charm. They are playing many kill spells? Counters and Hexproof. Control is all about answers. And somehow, they are all there. In blue white, at least. My deck is fielding (Notice the spirit creature theme);

4 Drogskol Captain
2 Dungeon Geist
3 Geist Of Saint Traft
2 Kira, Great Glass Spinner
3 Latch Seeker
2 Windborn Muse
3 Azorius Charm
3 Mana Tithe
2 Midnight Haunting
3 Path To Exile
3 Remand
3 Render Silent
4 Rune Snag
2 Sphinx's Revelation
4 Flooded Strand
4 Hallowed Fountain
2 Ghost Quarter
3 Glacial Fortress
1 Prairie Stream
2 Seachrome Coast
3 Islands
2 Plains

Sideboard;

2 Kataki, War's Wage (Artifact Hate)
1 Windborn Muse (For those extra annoying Aggro decks)
2 Detention Sphere (for that little extra removal)
3 Annul (Artifact and Enchantment hate)
2 Blessed Reversal (Mass Army hate/Also was a splintertwin counter)
2 Celestial Purge (Decks basing red or black)
3 Hindering Light (Good against outright countering burns)
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>>45068355
assuming you draw it and they don't make you discard it and they don't abrupt decay it it sure is a kind of decent card against it.
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I was told that B/W tokens has won a Big event recently is that true?
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>>45068395
Yeah, it top 8ed in SGC a few days ago I think.

And auriok champion was on screen...
mfw her price raise more than my dick
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>>45068189
>Grixis already came and went
>tfw finished my Grixis control deck as it was on the way out
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>>45068254
>Reprint wasteland/howling mine
I agree with wasteland, but...

>>45068362
>21 lands
>2 Sphinx's Revelation
ISHYGDDT
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>>45068524
My bad, is strip mine
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>>45068270
its been awhile since I played modern, but I used to play lantern waaaay before It got popular. what exactly changed to make it relevant?
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>>45068796
It won a GP.
People started taking is seriously.
Ghirapur Aether Grid got printed.
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>>45068448
Don't worry, with twin gone she is not as necessary.

Still, why the fuck is she so expensive, she gets played in 2 decks, both of which are way down in popularity.
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>>45069101
Got that right, twin's gone
She only saw one printrun, that maybe why. There are few on rotation and she also has potential by having potential of dodging the most popular removals of modern, askde fro PtE
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So I decided to swap out my Feed the Clans in the sideboard for this and it is absolutely wonderful. Is this card just actually a brilliant sideboard card? It synergizes well with snapcaster mage, it breaks the back of any burn/zoo deck, and it just randomly has positive interaction with reanimator too.
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>>45069158
what deck is it in?
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>>45069142
Bear in mind, I think I read stats somewhere that Fifth Dawn sold a lot less than, say, a modern set would sell, and iirc there's about as many Fifth Dawn Serum Visions as Voice of Resurgences out there. Now compare a rare in that same set to a common, and also consider that Voice is $40 again.
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which is better for infect, sleight of hand or serum visions?
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>>45069380
Run both, 4 serum and 2 sleight
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So, should I get into Dredge?
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pretty shit general [email protected]
forgot mtg in the title
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>>45069875
Only if you plan on playing Legacy. The Dredge mechanic in modern is shaky at best.
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>>45069875
>tfw Dread Return's return is still unrightfully dreaded
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>>45070081
pls unban dread return he did nothing wrong
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>>45070081
>>45070455
if they unban Dread Return, I'll do nothing but force Oops, All Spells in modern for the rest of my life.
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>when you accidentally enter the standard general
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>>45069185
Right now I'm using it in Temur Moon, but I can envision it in Jund if that isn't completely dead.
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I would really like a proper wincon for ad nauseam that doesn't require red mana.
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Anyone else like to speculate what cards will be printed into modern in the next set and buy up sets of that card?
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Is there a way to run a Naya Zoo deck that doesn't require like a hundred dollars in fetch and dual lands?
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>>45067614
I didn't say I want that, but anon was asking for what control in modern would need in oder to be viable. Counter Top is significantly worse in modern, so I doubt it would be a dominant force, although I could see it put control back on the map.

I'd loathe it for the durdlefest it would inevitably become though.

Of all the options I stated I'd probably prefer for MUD to become a deck in modern.
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>>45071452
Basics, evolving wilds, terramorphic expanse, and thick skin.
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>>45071452
zoo as a strategy really needs a tight manabase, because it's basically pick the best creatures at each manacost and j-j-j-jam it in.
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>>45071452
You could play pauper Wild Nacatl and Quasali Pridemage.dec
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>>45068584
Strip Mine in modern, holy shit, how insane are you anon

>>45070081
>>45070455
>>45070522
I wonder how nuts it would be, probably dissapointing like with GGT
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>>45071242
It's like you hate uncounterable exiling with SSG or something.
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>>45066423

I already have 62 copies of Jace, gonna buy out the rest later this week :^)

Prepare your wallets Modern cucks.
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>>45071824
>playing blue in modern
ahahaha this guy
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>>45071824
Give a picture m7
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>>45071929

I don't even play Magic, I just speculate :^)

>>45071940

Will post when I get home, at the office at the moment m9.
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>>45071824
>playing New Jace in modern
Enjoy your sorcery speed shitty Snapcaster
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MFW Storm will now crush all you memefucks and you'll slowly rage quit the format back to standard where you belong.
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>>45071993
>Clearly hasn't played Jace before.
Funny how bad /tg/ is sometimes
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>>45068355
PVDDR was right. Modern has boiled down to the question of whether or not you drew your sideboard cards.
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>>45070700
what is Temur Moon? Temur good stuff and blood moon?
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>>45072217
Most likely RUG Delver with mainboard Blood Moon.
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>>45072293
is it any good?
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>>45072330
It's quite literally the same as it ever was. Running 4 copies of Spell Snare and Vapor Snag just happens to be a really good play in the current aggro meta. T1 Delver, T2 Snare their Goyf, Snag their Nacatl.
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>>45072293
We got a list? I'm tired of Affinity.
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>>45072368
4 Delver
4 Snapcaster
4 Goyf
2-3 Young Pyromancer.

Some lists run a couple Hooting Mandrills as more copies of Goyf.
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>>45072217
>>45072368
got a list right here m8
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/temur-moon-3/
and no it's not delver sorry but delver is piss awful without brainstorms or ponders
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>>45071824
i just don't think it could spike any higher than it currently is. even if it does, who's buying?
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>>45072632

Prices can always go higher.

As for buyers, mostly NEETs who spend all their autismbux on Magic cards, they don't need their money for anything else and they are desperate to do well at Magic, since they failed at life.
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>>45072181
PVDDR wrote a pretty good article about the Twin ban. I was genuinely surprised by it since he seems pretty acidic to Modern.
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>>45072745
It was in that article that he said Modern has boiled down to sideboards. I think his point was that Twin boarded the opposite of how a deck normally does it; starting with the obscure cards (Splinter Twin), and bringing in the normal cards.
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Requesting bingo board game for modern pro tour. Or have we not made it yet?
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>>45072994
At this point you're either playing Bingo and hoping you get lucky or you're playing Solitaire and metagaming like a maniac.

There is strategy in solitaire and nothing will change my mind about that
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>>45073017
I don't think he meant a bingo like deck, just a bingo card for how shit the PT will be.
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>>45071593
No single mana discard outlets (albeit Looting), no LED and no Ichorids - it will be tame and needs a more creative way of playing the deck.

It could also just bring a more fair reanimate deck to Modern.
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>>45071824
>>45071970
Enjoy his price collapse when he rotates out of Standard.
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>>45071824
That card is hot garbage
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Eldrazi Mimic plus Phyrexian dreadnought

Hilarious enough to try as a boost to the torpor orb deck?
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>>45072040

It wasn't Twin that kept Storm out of burnderm.
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>>45073208
Looting is a great card, although LED makes it significantly better (in dredge at least).

Modern probably would be a pretty fair reanimator deck, I agree.

I should probably already start scheming, just in case it does ever get unbanned.
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So if I'm playing G Devotion, and I use genesis wave to throw down a bunch of coursers and forests, do I gain life from all the coursers for all the lands I just threw down?

Similarly if Genesis Wave brings in a Eternal Witness I can bring the G Wave I just cast back to my hand right?
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>>45073342
This card is so rough on my balls.
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>>45073319
dreadnought's not modern legal
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>>45073342
:^)
although I don't think it's better than vampiric link
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>>45073417

I only saw vampiric link once in a delver deck but now I'm terrified that it will show up again every time I'm playing against it.
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>>45073342
I think Jund did a lot more to stop Storm than Burn
Hand disruption and Scooze did a lot of work against Storm
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>>45073390
o-oh.... okay then
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>>45073373
If I'm right on this ruling, Genesis Wave makes everything enter at the same time (like Valakut with Mountains). So no, you wouldn't gain life from the Forests.

And no, because Eternal Witness would trigger upon entering the battlefield while Genesis Wave is still resolving; in other words, Eternal Witness's ability goes on the stack on top of G Wave (I'm 99% sure).
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>>45073510
I've never had a huge problem with the Jund matchup on Storm, game one can be rough but I can usually fight through hand disruption with Past in Flames granted they don't get scooze online too early, post-sideboard I have Pyroclasm and Bolt for scooze and can just use PiF to work out of my gy. Many of my Jund games have boiled down to casting bolts and PiF bolt for the kill after they do quite a lot of dmg to themselves through fetches, shocks, and bob.
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>>45073672
You are dead wrong on both counts.
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>>45073672
>like Valakut with Mountains
How do you think scapeshift wins anon?
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>>45073672
I'm not 100% but I think you're wrong about both. Cases where multiple permanents ETB at once count all the permanents that just entered, and ad for the E.Wit I believe she ETB after the spell resolves, which allows you to return it you hand.

A judge or someone who understands the rules better can feel free to chime in though
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http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-stuffy-doll

Next best thing, or just a gimmick?
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>>45074052
>volcano hellion
So does this mean I can choose any number between 0 and infinity?
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>>45074256
Yes
You'd die beforehand though unless its enchanted.
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>>45073672
Triggered abilities go on the stack after GW resolves anon...
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>>45073417
This is actually a good way to deal with etched champion too
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Which Rift Bolts do I want familia?
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>>45074486
I wish the art for them was better, because it's hard to choose between two meh art pieces. I picked up MM1 Rift Bolts because they had that cool "updated" look. I shoulda got the Time Spiral ones.
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So I always liked playing Troll Worship, and it seems good against my "all aggro all the time" meta, but Troll Ascetic was always annoyingly poor as a creature. Would running higher quality creatures, some dorks, and some number of Asceticism be a solution?

Turning a Knight of the Reliquary into a Troll for the purposes of the Worship interaction seems like fun, and you could get away with running fewer cards like Ascetic which are pretty poor outside their interaction with Worship.
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>>45071324
I hope you get die
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>>45073672
when multiple cards trigger at the same time, the controlling player can place those triggers on the stack in any order.
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>>45074809
you could also just run lightning greaves
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>>45074052
Full gimmick. It's terrible
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>>45073702
I only played against Storm twice when I was playing Jund, but every game for me was 2-0.
Game 1 is a cake walk, and I brought in Grafdigger's Cage from there it was game over.
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tfw i play ad nauseam, grishoalbrand, and dredgevine modern

tfw i play oops all spells in legacy

am i the most degenerate combo player of all time?
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grixis control is the most boring shit i've ever played against i'd rather go against lantern
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I'm working on a budget 8-Rack right now.

Looking good, but only one problem remains : what can I put on the SB against Leyline of Sanctity ?

The card basically auto-wins the game by itself since almost every discard card targets your opponent. Even if he mulligans to 1 and his last card is LoS, it's just an unwinnable game and I'm looking for a way to prevent that. Ideas ?
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Calling it now
Affinity will be 20% of the meta
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>>45075336

Time to guy another 2 lavamancers and have all 4 in the mainboard.
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>>45075388

>buy*
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>>45075286
Run pack rats?
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>>45075438
>>45075286
Also necrogen mists and small pox
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http://modernnexus.com/early-metagame-snapshot-in-twinless-modern/

TL;DR: Blue is dead, Burn/Affinity/RG Tron are on top.
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>>45075286
my answer in budget 8-Rack is 4 Pack Rat and 3 Nyxathid in the SB. Even without Leyline, it's great to side in when they take out all their bounce/removal
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>>45075477
>The exact decks we all expected to come out on top are on top
I wish I could stop being right.
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>>45075477
Were people really calling for an Eye of Ugin ban?
Cause if so, lmao
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>>45075477

Just use Kiki, brah!
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>>45075056
Most jund decks have to worry about GR Tron more than storm so doubtful any have Grafdiggers cage, if they do I just have to hold off on my combo until I can deal with Cage then win that turn.
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>>45066423
Why ban Dark Ritual, my deck is fuged.

Goddamn Wotc
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>>45075590
But Dark Ritual is not banned
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>>45075438
>>45075465
>>45075492

I allready run a full playset of Smallpox.

Pack Rat seems pretty good : dumping all the dead cards to make more cards is a good way to circumvate the Leyline. I like Nyxathid too eventho I don't really know what to remove for it.

Here's my current list

Land (21)

2x Dakmor Salvage
4x Dragonskull Summit
3x Ghost Quarter
1x Mountain
3x Smoldering Marsh
8x Swamp

Enchantment (4)

4x Shrieking Affliction

Creature (4)

4x Augur of Skulls

Sorcery (18)

4x Blackmail
2x Blightning
4x Hymn to Tourach
4x Raven's Crime
4x Smallpox

Instant (9)

2x Funeral Charm
3x Terminate
4x Victim of Night

Artifact (4)

4x The Rack

Sideboard (15)

3x Bile Blight
3x Crumble to Dust
1x Drown in Sorrow
3x Duress
3x Rakdos Charm
2x Slaughter Games
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>>45075709
Wat, you sure?
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>>45075857
Go check the modern ban list if you don't believe me
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>>45075514
Me too, anon. Me too.
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>>45075857
He means that there is a difference between "banned" and "not Modern-legal."
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>>45075900
Well, were modern here so its banned.

>>45075890
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Printings.aspx?multiverseid=5626

Im looking at this, I dont see no Modern
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>>45075953
Dark Ritual is not banned in Modern. It just hasn't been printed in a Modern-legal set.
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>>45075953

I don't see no banned either.
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>>45075787
Hymn to Tourach isn't modern legal, Wrench Mind is nearly as good. Augur of Skulls is prone to removal, and I think you have too much removal. I'd cut some of it for Bolts or more discard (Duress is really the only budget B discard spell left, but you need some more discard IMO).

This is my Mono-B list:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-01-16-lOG-budget-8-rack/
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>>45071242
Lab maniac, it's actually a more robust kill anyways. The downside is a .0001% chance of getting fucked by deck order
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>>45075166
Try PSI and No-Land Belcher Recross, then we'll talk.
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>>45076011
Whats the difference? You cant show up with a Dark Ritual

>>45076016
If its not "legal" You cant use it, so...
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>>45075590
If Dark Ritual was unbanned, you would have bigger problems than your trash deck, because Ad Nauseam would absolutely shit on everything else in the format.
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>>45066423
Is Jace seriously going to be the next goyf?
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>>45076289
>dark ritual in ad nauseam
WE'RE ENTERING INTO THAT TURN 2 COMBO ZONE, FRIEND
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>>45076289
Okay? I can T1 prison rape you if Dark Ritual was unbanned.

So where do I sign a petition?
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So what are some of your favorite homeless cards? Stuff that's not bad, it just doesn't really have a place in any of the top decks in the format.
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>>45076323
no? he's not that good in modernj
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>>45071529
I've been running a MUD-style deck in modern for a year and have been pulling x-2 results at GPTs where the majority of my losses have been memedecks or Merfolk. I haven't played any Modern since Twin ban due to being too busy IRL so I have no idea how assfucked I'm going to be if Merfolk is becoming more prevalent, as that matchup is seemingly unwinnable with my current 75

I'm happy to post a list if interested
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>>45076395
what, you mean like other than knight of the reliquary?
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>>45076093
Hey thanks. Tapped out shows Hymn to Tourach as Modern legal so I thought it was. Wrench mind seems to be a pretty good substitute.

I don't know about Necrogen Mists tho. When we are in topdeck mode it basically becomes more or less useless.

I know that Augur if Skulls feels weak but I wanted a cheap blocker for Infect matchup and if it's not dealt with in one turn it's just a 2 mana mind rot.
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>>45076380
Your chances of hitting T1 trinisphere feel a lot lower than the T2 Ad Nauseam winrate.
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>>45076424
Don't worry about Merfolk unless you plan on seeing it at a tournament. You're more likely to see Affinity, Burn, Delver, or Tron in this meta.
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>>45076395
Soon to have a home when BW Hatebears makes its appearance. Being able to tick your Vials down while extorting to offset damage will be too much for Modern to handle.
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>>45076446
KotR would be a good choice if it didn't have a combo built around it. Now it has a home, its home just kinda sucks.
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>>45076460
I dont see your point, by turn 2 youre already dead.

So quit dreaming and link me a petition.
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>>45075787
is there any way to run this like a devotion deck and put death cloud in there?
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>>45076558
There's no way to get Dark Ritual in modern without printing it in standard legal sets. They'd have to print it in some new set and then immediately ban it from standard to get the card in.
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>>45076674
>There's no way to get Dark Ritual in modern without printing it in standard legal sets
And this is the problem.
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>>45076594
The average CMC of this kind of deck usually tops off below 2 mana, plus you'll often destroy/discard lands with Smallpox/Raven's Crime so Death Cloud seems a bit too slow for 8-Rack.
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>>45075477
Hmmmm
Better ban snapcaster next. Keep those Urx decks in check
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>>45076323
No. A Goyf is a great clock that usually needs to be answered.
You can ignore Jace in Modern.
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>>45076941
Yeah, they're really overrunning the format and oppressing other decks. Better ban Cryptic Command and Remand after Snapcaster, just to be safe. Don't want URx decks countering those Goyfs and Eldrazi on stream.
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Where were you on Blue Friday when Twin was banned and Modern died?
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I had 3 7/8 goyfs today against affinity that had ensoul artifact and tezzeret in grave. Just needed tarfire to complete the ritual.
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>>45077351
Playing Standard instead.
There was a modern tournament going on in the store too. A whopping 9 people showed up, and 5 of them were playing Tron
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>>45076412
He's actually extremely power, the problem is the archetypes he's good in aren't as prevalent in modern with how the meta is at the moment. In Grixis decks for example Jace is a house and the mvp of the deck in a lot of cases.
If and when moderns meta changes to support different types of blue decks Jace will see a lot more play.
He already sees a heap of play in vintage and his playability in legacy is increasing.
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>>45077527
Why are your lying?
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How expensive must he get before he's reprinted in mythic rarity in a limited set? How long after until he gets banned right before a pro tour?
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>>45077527
>He's actually extremely power, the problem is the archetypes he's good in aren't as prevalent in modern with how the meta is at the moment
Yeah man, Grave Troll is powerful too, right?
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>>45076206
>no land belchercross
I have that shit built senpai. That deck will put some hair on your chest.
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>>45077469
That sounds like an even shittier thing to do. Why would you play with in blunder of zendikar in rotation.
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>>45077598
He will probably become a $60 card
He will never be banned though because he is a creature
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>>45077527
> play in vintage
Lmao that's not tendrils or mishra's workshop.
Ask anyone, blue's just the worst deck in vintage right now
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>>45077527
We aren't talking about mindsculpter. This one doesn't do nearly as much and gets invalidated by a sideboard card.
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>>45077774
>vintage memes in modern thread
I'd rather have modern memes.
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>>45077843

Make me a meme then.
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>>45077756
My standard deck is Khans of Tarkir block constructed.
Seeing 5 Tron decks in one night let me know I made the right decision.
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>tfw all I want to do is play hardcore UW control with Sphinx's revelation and detention spheres and shit
>tfw it will never be possible when shit like Tron and Eldrazi exist
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>>45077598
>reprinted
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>>45066423
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>>45078031
>tfw all I want to do is beat bitches to death with an unmorphed Akroma
Maybe I can find a way to run it in Tron and hardcast it or some similar manner of ill-conceived retardation.
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>>45071242
Like what?
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>>45078180
You could try making a shittier Grishoalbrand deck, replacing Borborygmos with Akroma.
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>>45077788
Everything I just explained applies to this jace.
Vryn's prodigy is all over vintage and is seeing increasing play in legacy.
Funnily enough Mind sculptor doesn't see nearly as much legacy play anymore
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>>45078180
Just put her in a deck with flickerwisp and restoration Angel.
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>>45074486
time spiral
daniel ljunggren is low-tier
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>>45078317
Dude new Jace is not making any appearances in vintage anymore they realized he's a meme card.
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>>45078286
And buy into a worse version of an already T2 deck that costs an arm and a leg due to buyouts? No fucking thanks, I'd rather leave that FTV Akroma in the binder.

>>45078338
I sometimes do. I may even just give up running her in Death and Taxes and build a new shell, because it's not like it'll be that much worse than Death and Taxes is in Modern.
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>>45077729

>And then burn it off
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>>45078338
Other guy, building BW with Sculler, Stranglers, Splicers, Restos, and a couple of Cloudshifts. FuryKroma is pretty damn spicy there.
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>>45073417
>implying that when Storm goes off any deck that runs that Eidolon will have less life points
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>>45078163
Do you want us to clone it on photoshop or what?
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how is affinity now? been away for a month and don't know what the recently ban effects it?
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>>45079361
its dominating
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>>45075477
The best part is that you could ban bolt and burn would get stronger.
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>>45079496
Is this the most idiotic post ever?
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>>45079591
you have not been on /pol/ have you
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>>45077317
Plus if we ban snapcaster it'll let other 2 mana blue creatures see play, like frost Walker or meletis astronomer!
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>>45079496
wait how?
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>>45080022

Literally the only way to win against Burn is to have 3-4 Bolts in your hand by turn 3 to kill Eidolons.

Not allowing Eidolon to hit you once via bolt vs him even hitting once is a huge gamechanger
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x-mage and cockatrice are down

no local events going on

gonna be a boring day or no magic
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>>45080097
Xmage ain't down
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>>45080458
o?

what server?
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>local store allows 12 proxies
>want to try affinity
The post on mtg salvation is from 2011. Should I expect any major changes since then for the "core" deck? It looks like fun and I might still have my gold bordered World Champion deck from back in the day still lying around.
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>>45081493
Go on mtggoldfish for decklists.
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> Glittering Wish out of stock
> People thinking this will be a thing
> Cant have a shitty combo deck cause of fucking jerks.

You people are really hungry. Get a real job fucking speculators.
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>>45081493

Core is
4 Inkmoth
4 Blinkmoth
3-4 Glimmervoid
1 basic

4 Ravager
4 Vault Skirge
4 that one pest with battlecry
2-3 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
2-4 Etched Champion
2-4 Steel Overseer

4 Mox Opal
4 Springleaf Drum
4 Plating

>allows 12 proxies
4 Ravager, 4 Inkmoth, 4 Mox. That takes out an alarming amount of the cash required
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>>45082009
I bought mine a few days ago because I was expecting an upcoming price hike and I wanted to brew with it. The one thing Modern needs is a Wish deck.
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>>45082020
How do you guys know when a price hike is legit? I don't want to buy a bunch of cards that never go anywhere.
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>>45082171
We're not all stupid twats
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>>45082171
>I don't want to buy a bunch of cards that never go anywhere.
If they are played somewhere in Modern, they will always go somewhere. Don't be afraid to build a collection.

Also, brewing requires you having a fuckton of different cards that may or may not go up in price anytime soon.
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>>45082171
Fuck selling your cards after you're done with them. Treat this game like any other piece of entertainment - as a sunk cost. You're only going to be disappointed if you plan on cashing out of the game.

Buy what you want and can afford and don't look back. Don't fucking give a shit about what you paid for your cards, make the decision at that very moment that would make you happy.

And quite frankly, I don't see any reason to be happy buying any new cards in Modern or Legacy right now. They're objectively too expensive. I bought my Fulminator Mages for $2. If I had to buy them now for $50 I'd tell the game to go fuck itself. I can't believe that people are being priced out of having fun with cardboard.
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>>45076424
I was off to sleep a bit, I'd love to see your list.
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>>45066423
Ad nauseam might be the next big thing. It has a strong matchup against the entire field with the exception of infect.
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>>45078278
Like something that requires an exorbitant hand size and doesn't require red mana. It can be Black, White, or Blue. I don't care. I just want to be fully rooted in esper colors and free up the slots dominated by Simian Spirit Guide.
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>>45076481
I'd rather just play hex parasite instead for that.
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>>45083011
It would have to be instant speed to match the usefulness of lightning storm and nothing else like that exists. That said, a card like this would be a nice buff to ad nauseam.
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>>45083011

Ayy lmao
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>>45076424
>MUD in Modern
How?
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Hey guys, I'm very new to mtg (2 games played) and I want to make just a basic, fun deck to play on occasion with my friends who are aficionados.

I'm happy for it not to be in any way competitive, I just want to make a fun muck-around deck with lots of high risk gamechanging stuff or gimmicks or whatever. Advice would be very welcome.

So far I have a casual scum tier free starter white deck, plus also I bought a red card i liked the concept of (burning of Xinye), but I don't have any red cards to support it yet.
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>>45083367
I recommend making a casual thread. You're in the second most competitive format's thread right now
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Hows my budget Time Walk deck look?
I've been testing it a bit, Gigadrowse is insane. It has a ton of uses, like using it EoT to tap them off counterspell mana, on upkeep to tap down lands, tapping down creatures to either stop lethal or let my awakened land though, or even to turn off Howling Mine when I don't want to deck myself.
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>>45073417
lol you have to get hit first for the trigger to resolve, so you only beat eidolon if you have a higher life total when this comes down (unlikely)
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>>45083407
Thanks anon, will do.
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Do you guys think Grixis Control is likely to stay around?

I'm pretty close to completing it and it seems decently positioned in the meta except against tron lmao
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I don't know what came over me.
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>>45083747
Grixis is literally unviable post-OGW. It lost the matchup it was preying upon (Twin) and its bad matchups are everywhere (Burn, Tron, ...)

Don't play this shit
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>>45083747
I don't see why not. It's a pretty solid deck. It's viability will ebb and flow with the meta like any deck but it seems firmly tier 2.
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>>45083747
If you tune it to beat hyper aggro and forgot about tron it isnt awful
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I think it's about time they unbanned stoneforge mystic the meta will be a lot healthier
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>>45083974
Couldn't be worse.
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>>45083974
Unfortunately that will never happen. Something something low opportunity cost something something diversity.
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>>45084061
Please come back to me
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I've been trying to break Affinity even more, so I added a basic forest (replaced one Blinkmoth) to go with my basic mountain, and run 2 Ancient Stirrings mainboard and 3 Natural States sideboard. I'm 13-1 in matches over the last two weeks, with my only loss being to a guy running Fish who had nut hands both game 2 and 3 (Chalice for 0 on turn 1 and Chalice for 1 turn 2, followed up by a Hurkyl's, then two Hurkyl's in his starting 7 game 3). I've blown up Stony Silences, Pithing Needles, and opposing Platings. Ancient Stirrings is a lot better that Thoughtcast imo. My worst 5 cards was 5 consecutive lands, but that's 5 turns of lands I didn't have to topdeck. Still run 4 galvanic blasts and 2 skites main because infect/aggro is a thing, and run a dispatch in the side. Worried this shit is gonna get banned now. :P
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What tier is soul sisters, and should I play it?
https://youtu.be/fQDDFW8nLnw
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>>45084305
SS is tier 1.5-2
Mono-white SS would probably be Tier 3 or worse if there is one.
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>>45084329
isn't mono-white the standard SS? what SS build is tier 1.5-2?
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>>45084204
Listen, you're a nice Living Weapon but you're just way too clingy.
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>>45084446
Hmm, thought the standard SS build was BW Tokens.
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>>45084459
where can i find more of this
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>>45084460
oh, gotcha. I think they're pretty similar but i've seen most BW tokens builds not run the sisters. I've been running B/W SS/Tokens and having a lot of fun/solid results with it, though
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> print a set where eldrazis are getting killed all over zendikar
> don't print any decent spell that can remove colorless creatures/planeswalkers
> modern meta is now affinity (best aggro) vs eldrazi (best midrange) vs tron (best control)

t-thanks
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>>45078031
As someone who's been running UW to decent success, the key to beating tron is transitioning into a tempo deck post-board.

I play spreading seas, negate, geist and mindcensor sideboard. Game one is virtually unwinnable, but i've had pretty consistent success post-board.

Eldrazi, however, is so far unwinnable. The creatures come down too fast to be tempoed out, and produce too much value to be controlled.

This was basically tailor-made to prey on the extremely fair meta at my shop. Probably not gonna win a big event with this, but it grinds out the "fair" decks like bgx or even collected company, and is surprisingly good against certain linear decks like burn or tron, even without wasting sideboard space on hate.

It was also good against twin...
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>>45084739
why dont you splash R?
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>>45084305
It's like tier 2.5 but it is fun and burn players shit themselves when they see you
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>>45084843
If there was more burn, infect, etc in the meta, I'd consider it, but the rock-solid and painless manabase, (including access to kitchen finks), and the fact that it spends most of its time as a glorified lava spike in my meta (Tron, Scapeshift, Junk, etc.) keep me from doing so. I'm unwilling to drop any tec edges, kitchen finks, cryptics, or verdicts, so I had to make concessions somewhere.
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>>45084932
how do you think you'll change your deck to better attack eldrazi?
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>>45084948
I don't know if that's possible. You can stabilize, but eventually they'll topdeck eye of ugin for oblivion sower, steal your tec edges, and kill you with your own collonades.

If I had an answer, I'd say it was more maindeck spreading seas. I don't think you can reliably out-value them, simple because of the uncounterable value they get off of eyes or oblivion sowers, so my guess would be locking them out by attacking their mana aggressively, while beating down with geist.
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>>45084980
what about meddling mage naming oblivion sower? or like ulamog?
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>>45084995
meddling mage is a thought. The problem is how hard he is to protect, and how narrow the effect is. he gets stranglered/pathed/dismembered/ ulamoged. real easy.

Honestly, if you want to beat eldrazi, my suggestion is "play a different deck." I've gone back to Storm, which coincidentally also preys on slow, fair metas, albeit by outtempoing instead of outgrinding. (And your bad MU is burn instead of Eldrazi)
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>>45085055
Maybe use Nevermore? It costs one more mana but it's not as easy to get rid of.
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>>45085055
as another thought, ghost quarter is much better against eldrazi than tectonic edge.
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>>45085074
That is better, but they can answer it with ulamog, and worse, it doesn't solve the problem that they can outvalue you just by continually playing huge must-answer dudes; it's pretty embarassing against an on-the-board ulamog.

Nonetheless, nevermore may be worth a shot; I haven't tested it Another possibility is Worship, which has its own problems. The question is how deep you wanna go to beat the deck, and how reasonable it is to sacrifice other MU's to do so.
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>>45085086
also, yes it is, but tec edge is better in other matchups that are more important to me, like scapeshift or the mirror
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>>45085140
>the mirror
Someone else plays a garbage deck too?
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>>45085167
lmao two other people hopped on the bandwagon, plus a couple guys down the street.
It's goofy.

That being said, without twin around, I think it may finally be time to switch back to GQ
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Does anyone a copy of a list that was posted here about a month back? It was called Anything You Can Do I Can Do Better, I think. It was all about playing your opponent's deck using shapeshifter cards and Exotic Orchards.
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>>45085167
UWx made top 16 at worlds this past year, top 8 the year before. It shows up every now and then, but was a bit outshined by twin. With twin gone it's not really in a bad spot in the meta, losing really only to burn, which you can definitely play around.

IMO though splashing R, and playing kik-jiki as a 2-3 of makes the deck a hell of a lot better.
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>>45066423
All these shills.
Grixis is shit.
Ad Nauseam is unplayable
Faeries have somehow gotten worse every set.

Stop that shit, Tier 1-1.5 is RG Tron, Naya Burn, Robots, Jund, Junk, Merfolk, Infect, Temur Delver, BW Eldrazi and KikiChord.

If you want to shill the cards you stupidly invested in Reddit is a better change for dumbasses to bite.
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>>45083747
Needs significant rebuilding to be good in the current meta. I think it can still be good but esper might be better now.
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>>45085245
Having test the kiki version, the mana is extremely shakey, to the extent that being able to threaten the combo consistently is true more in theory than in practice.

I think access to bolt is an improvement in the abstract, as it gives you more play in your bad matchups, and a more proactive gameplan.

I've also found burn to be a close but favorable matchup with my straight UW list. I mulligan aggressively, but wall of omens, spell snare and finks do insane amounts of work. Post-board, dispel, spreading seas, and geist allow you to lock up the game extremely quickly.
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>>45066696
It never will as long as Tron, Eldrazi and Lantern are decks.
Tempo may be a deck if they were to give Delver decks Daze and Preordain. But once Urzatron or the Lantern softlock is online, the longer you take to close the game the less possible it is for you to win, and control takes the absolute longest to close the game.
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>>45085319
The mana is not shaky at all, VERY rarely you might not be able to cast cryptic, but that's about it.
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>>45077729
FUCK YOU ANON
GETTING MY HOPES UP MAKING ME THINK YOURE DISCUSSING A MODERN DECK SEEING AS HOW THIS IS A MODERN THREAD
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>>45068083
If they were to fix Tron, Ancient Stirrings will be the card to go:
>Map takes 3 mana to tutor the land you need.
>Scrying takes 2 to tutor the land you need.
>Cantripfacts take 2 mana to filter one colored mana and give you a minimum possibility of drawing what you need.
>Stirrings takes 1 mana to look at 1/10th of your deck for anything you need.
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>>45082010
>nigger don't know Glimmrvoid more $$$ than mox and inkmoth
Buyouts familia
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>>45073417
Nigger read that card.
There's no way you have more life than Burn by the time memedern memestorm can go off.
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>>45077598
If they ban anything from Burn, Modern becomes 4-color goodstuff.
So they print hardcore lifegain bullshit to keep it from winning and keep pretending it's not the second most popular deck because of how retarded it can be, without having to admit the format is sick and Burn is the vaccine that keeps every deck from being Jund+Blue and Bant+Black.
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>>45085439
Are you sure you are talking about burn and not blood moon?
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>>45085366
Nah man. It would be the eye. It is THE inevitability engine and adds so much consistency to the deck. Most people don't realize that the Urzatron isn't complete without the fourth piece.
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>>45085183
That sounds really fucking fun. Fairly vulnerable to Blood Moon and it sounds like it can't beat Tron, but I'll try something like that just on the principle.
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>>45085498
They'll just replace Newlamog for another Ugin and give up the rare instance where a single walker/eldrazi is not enough to fuck your ass, for more instances of T3 Karn-T4 Ugin.
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>>45085475
Yes.
Blood Moon is a meme.
If you don't need to worry about the asshole sitting in fron dealing 10 damage in a single turn, you don't fear fetching agressively and floating mana to Decay/Charm that Moon the fuck out and 4-color goodstuff decks are more likely to violate Infect and Affinity out of the format.

What's keeping the format together is Burn preventing manabases from being too agressive, and Tron preventing durdlerange from being a thing.
This prevents control from even existing in Modern, but it also prevents Modern being an exponentially more expensive version of KTK-BFZ standard.
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>>45085611
Sure. It wouldn't kill the deck. Just nerf it.
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>>45085183
So basically Stolen Goods and Praetor's Grasp, with Phantasmal Images and Phyrexian Metamorphs?
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Just kill Tron already, ban the tower, let blue control decks be viable.
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>>45085660
>banning the tower
Why? You could ban so much more from the deck to cripple it and getting rid of the Urzatron would get rid of my favorite budget meme deck.
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>>45085646
>aggro and tron only, final destination, 20 life
Enjoy your wreck of a format.
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>>45085660
Banning one of the lands is laughably absurd. They would need to ban all three on principle.
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>>45085660
pls no
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>>45085677
I want wotc to do to Tron what they did to twin.
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>>45085751
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>>45085751
Please no, just an Ancient Stirrings + Karn ban
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>>45085739
You deserve to be unplayable jank, you colorless prick.
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>>45085767
That would effectively accomplish what they did to twin.
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>>45085796
That's perfect then
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I've got a couple Tarmogoyfs coming from Modern, is he good in Commander?
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>>45085802
>on the internet, no one knows you're abrupt decay
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>>45085820
HA HA FUCK NO
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>>45085660
Whats a Tron?

I have never heard of it, is it some new hyper aggro deck to fit in with our aggro only meta?
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>>45085837
Yeah I figured since he's just a plain beater he might not be that useful. Any recommendations for a mono green stompy deck?
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>>45085852
How long have you been gone from th format?
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>>45085852
These three lands.
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>>45085857
I was at the latest Open anon.

Didn't see this Tron deck you speak of in the top tables, pretty sure it does not exist.
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>>45085767
No, they could have ban exarch and just cripple the deck, but they banned twin, so just kill Tron and be done with it.
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>>45085872
I know you're being facetious, but it's common knowledge that when a format gets shaken up post-rotation (or in this case a ban that serves the same purpose) the first few events are aggro-dominated.

It takes time for the other pilots to figure out what sort of metagame to expect, and so aggro becomes the optimum strategy for a while.
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Did something happen in modern to make Crucible a fucking $70 card?
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>>45086032
Sideboard tech in Tron to counter land destruction, probably? Also a 1-of in Martyr Proc.

Still, that doesn't justify the price.
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>>45086032
Buyouts happened, anon. When playable cards don't get reprinted, people and especially retailers snap them up. That act alone, spread among small online retailers and local shops reduces availability and increases demand on its own, fueling a self-sustaining cycle that only goes up for as long as the cards in question remain playable and are not reprinted.
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>>45086095
Fuck that, i need one to finish my Oath deck.
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>>45086032
>Did something happen in modern to make Crucible a fucking $70 card?
No. Welcome to Modern.
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>>45086032
>>45086057
>>45086095
>>45086190
It's an edh staple
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>>45085870
where did the name tron come from? Why do they call it urzatron?
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>>45066423
>its best matchup gets banned
>its worst matchups get better

that delusion
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>>45067670
>>45067760
ancestral vision is shit, if anything they need to unban jace
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>>45086748
>this guy has never played with ancestral vision
okay buddy
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>>45086720
Voltron: Defender of the Universe

Pieces combined > their sum and so forth
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>>45087190
>>45087190

New thread, featuring the word "MTG" in the OP to trigger your filters
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>>45068355
Lantern is more resilient than you think.
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>>45066723
Has anyone tried making Coalition Victory Control featuring Prismatic Omen and Fist of Suns work?
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Make this Tier 1.

Can deal infinite damage and gain infinite life turn 4.
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>>45066423
Ive been playing Emeria control (both a casual mono white version and a competitive U/W version) and I believe its staged to move up a tier or so.
the only deck I seem to consistently lose to is scapeshift.
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>>45087971
>20+ card combo
>tier 1
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>>45066696
since they banned splinter twin they could give us back preodain/ponder/dig and give us brainstorm. A reliable 2cmc counterspell with a negligible but real drawback (pay 3 life) would be interesting to see.
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>>45066696
it needs players to stop copying decks and start to think for themselves,and just start playing control,not waiting for someone to win a pro tour or something and make the same deck.
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>>45088357
It's a 3 card combo.
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>>45089100

How is a 3 card combo?
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>>45088921
Are you retarded?

Having a stupidly diverse meta like that would make control even less viable.
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>>45085855

Play a bunch of ramp and dorks and then play craterhoof behemoth
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>>45088092

That's when you bring in the runed halo naming valakut
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>>45086032
it's played in the lands deck in legacy.
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>>45090604

And it was $30 despite that. The $40 jump Ian's recent thing.
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>>45090709
no it slowly grew because it won the legacy GP in seattle.
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>>45090006
>runed halo
oh dang that bretty gud :DDD
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