>Jumpchain IRC Chat
Oh lord, do I need to join the navy to start the machine cult?
>car needs to be scratched like a cat/dog
Okay you know what that's adorable and I'm going to build that feature into any hovertanks I build using any sort of supertech from throughout the Chain.
>Imp Guardsmen #1: Atomic batteries to power.
>Imp Guardsmen #2: Check.
>IG #1: Turbines to speed.
>IG #2: Check.
>IG #1: Scratch tank under main dash.
>IG #2: Check.
>IG #1: Imperial Hovertank David Oscar Golf to Command, we are ready to move out!
>confirm that works with my laptop
If you have a hard drive rather than a solid state drive you may want to back up your files. Hitting a hard drive to get it to work is a sign that it is either failing, or damaged in some way. Though it could be damaged in some way that is not going to cause further damage, though hitting a hard drive repeatedly is likely to cause damage. It's not that odd for a lawnmower though.
I was doing some of that writing out your chain thing a couple months back, and I really just want to know if anyone cares how much thread space it takes up for when I start up again.
So what magic systems exist that work with souls? I'm talking fueled by souls, manipulating souls, creating souls, destroying souls, anything that has to do with the soul directly.
D&D has (aside from the standard soul-related spells and powers) Incarnum, a system that is all about shaping soulstuff to various purposes. It doesn't get as much press as wizards and what have you, likely because it's a) not anywhere near as powerful/versatile, though that's not saying much, and b) requires a fair amount of effort to understand the mechanics of the system in a lot of cases (along with a few things that need houseruling, surprise surprise from a 3.5 system), but once you get an understanding of it it's a fairly solid system both thematically and mechanically (performance-wise) with some support in later supplements.
Geneforge, creation of and manipulation of souls are both things. The creations the shapers make have souls, some aren't much more than a soul, and there are more than a few cases of souls having shaping magic applied to them causing them to mutate in some way. Not that applying shaping magic on souls is a good idea, but it can mutate them, provided you can survive whatever you create, you could eventually figure out more about the process through trial and error, mostly horrific abomination wanting to eat your brain/soul error.
Does the "If It Bleeds..." perk from 80s Action Movies bit have any effect if your opponent is technically a dangerous immortal (e.g. Deadpool) but due to your perks they're totally outclassed (e.g. you're Superman)?
The first part of the perk implies it doesn't matter so long as you can beat them in a fight up close and personal, but the last part implies "dramatic tension or huge struggle" is usually required. Or is that only for the "really big gods"?
Or being it's a perk from an 80s Action Movie, would I just have to make the fight "dramatic" to a hypothetical cinema audience (e.g. how Worm's Endbringers fake being injured)?
>I can understand your reasoning, but I can't agree with it. After all, if you're going to use someone else's world as a playground, the idea would be to keep it as accurate as possible instead of making up stuff that go against the established setting.
Fair enough. I don't think drawbacks need to be perfectly accurate, as often they're an extrapolation of a specific character's problems writ large.
>I argue otherwise, considering how important they are to Ar Ciel's history.
That was me being glib, rather than actually dismissing them - just that it's another technical mistake on my part, but the Orgel has always been the topic of more discussion.
>Though you missed something important here: she initially had emotions because they didn't start applying the emotional inhibitors to her Cosmosphere until later on. Otherwise, we wouldn't even have EXEC_HARMONIOUS/. existing.
True, but call it a sacrifice for brevity and applicability.
I feel I should emphasise that I would not have let any deliberate and outright mistake into the main text when writing it, though of course the whole Vielia thing was just an off-the-cuff attempt to offer an Origin option/nationbuilding choice, and some perks are quite strongly worded for clarity's sake as they aren't for an audience that should be expected to know the setting well.
Any errors that are there are a result of my limited knowledge of the setting, but it is also too late to make large changes, or even some small ones.
This is a public service announcement: Things ma or may not be going cray-cray in One Punch Man as of late.
Don't get me wrong, I literally just pipcked this pic up from /a/ and I'm not entirely sure about the context behind it. All I konw is: He took away Homeless Emperor's powers (which he'd bestowed on him in the first place) and then he straight up killed him while not even really existing in Saitama's dimension. Also, he's called God.
After 2 whole arcs of DBZ references and smash telekinesis, I think OPM may be facing its' first reality warper BBEG.
Dude, that's been out for months now. It's also not appeared since that single panel. Knowing OPM, it's as much a parody of the whole eldritch god powering a follower trope as it is of everything else.
Can I get an arachne altform through the Changeling jump?
I wanna be able to complete feats of engineering with my butt
Going through Hero and Demon King there's a rather extreme typo in the notes section. Crimson Sage is used as the lead in for the Crimson Saint nerfs, and due to the lack of other mentions it's easy to miss that it's a typo until you look at the nerfs in comparison to the two perks.
And? Good shapeshifting means you can look however you want, and alchemy can make silk, but it can make other things as well, so in both cases it is exactly what you asked for and then some.
Which version are you looking at? The one I've got doesn't have a notes section at all apart from the clarifications for Crimson Saint, and I don't see a mention of Sage anywhere.
First, its called Envy, second, at no point did I say to get them from the same jump. Marvel and Darkstalkers are the only ones I know would let you pull off transmutation tattos, but neither allow for size shifting, so you would need to be a smaller than normal but still human sized arachne, or pick up a something that would let you change size, Personally went with shapeshifting in DC, but there a ton to choose from.
While there is a banned jump for that series on Questionable Questing, I'd recommend you go to DnD and be a drider instead.
Driders are pretty tough cookies and you won't be screamed at for it. There are also webcraft items and things - so you could make enchanted feats of engineering with your butt.
Question, where's a good jump to do flash style speed tricks? Like vibrating your face so it's a blur, or vibrating your hand so that it can pass through a person's heart.
None of the default contracts or pledges of Changeling do such a thing.
However, it *may* be possible to make a pact(s) or contract(s) via the Pact-Binder ability, with spiders to borrow their form, and another to gain the ability to spin webs...but such a task would be a pretty hard fanwank and put you heavily in the debt of spiders everywhere.
I would go with >>45066613 and jump D&D or FR for being a drider.
The short version is that it has to be a fight. You can't snipe them from a distance or invoke some death ritual.
In your example, the supes expy would need to get up close and personal with his opponent and slog it out. He couldn't just hover in mid air and beam spam him, and I'd wager, though this is more a personal guess, that you couldn't just ram him at hypersonic speeds.
Your last paragraph has a good grip on it. It needs to be a struggle. Regardless of power levels or power disparity, it needs to be fought out.
I was more so thinking of an interesting way of playing through that Jump, but oh well. DnD it is... though aren't Driders chaotic evil cursed Drow?
I-I'm nothing like that!
But I bought some Spider Cider anon. Surely that's enough!
No such animal. You're going to need to cobble that together from a series of jumps. My personal blend involved Wuxia, PS238, Tales of Symphonia, Sonic, Super Mario RPG, LoSS, Teen Titans, and Worm.
Driders are generally cursed for failing Lolth - but Lolth is a bitch.
Not being an asshole may well get you cursed, but being too pious might get you cursed as well.
Driders also breed true, so they're their own species and aren't limited to being Chaotic Evil.
Someone ages ago brought up the full potential of the friction manipulation power from Worm, as a possibility. I dunno about some of the higher end feats he was considering, but flash-vibration should definitely be something that's possible
Thanks. I'll definitely start into this. Start stacking speed, and with speed + intangibility I should be able to at least do some the tricks eventually.
I talked to Worm, he said that vibration isn't negating friction. Doing speed clones, walking on water/walls, and punching really-really fast is something you can do.
It says that phasing back while an object is in you, the object with disintegrate and you'll be in pain.
Speaking of D&D has anyone seen that anon working on 4e Points of Light jumpchain still alive? I wanna know the progress on that thing.
Even if it's just saying he hasn't abandoned it
Haven't heard anything from it in awhile. Don't even know if the anon still comes to JC. So I'd probably consider it abandoned, nothing but an idea was tossed out anyways.
You have NO idea what you're getting into, for one. But what you do know is bad. Merlin is... so far ahead of modern mages in Dresden that I think the comparison used was the Internal Combustion Engine to the Wheel. That kind of magic might have been unique to him - but at the same time, it might not have been.
But what's worse? That prison he built might not be done yet when you land. So all those prisoners Harry uses as Parkour practice? So awful that Naagloshii are just minimum security? They're all running around free.
If you do it anyway? No idea what you're going to get from the Magic perk. I know the DF jump gets rid of the hex, but I don't know whether the King Arthur jump would get rid of it. One good thing is that it won't be the same Hex - you'd be making milk sour and animals hate you rather than machines explode. Although I think he clarified that really old mages also make anything novel in their time go on the fritz - so enjoy watching stirrups fall off saddles and printing presses sizzle.
There's a King Arthur in Dresden, which means King Arthur Jump lets you take that version of the Arthur legend just like it lets you take the Fate version.
To elaborate on how ridiculous the prison-Demonreach-is: It was built again and again in the same same place at multiple points of time and space.
Its' last resort self destruct protocal would have apparently incinerated all of America in something called Banefire, no relation (yet) to Balefire.
This prison held off an attack by an army of Outsiders and a Walker (one of their champions, basically), two Faerie Queens both of which brought entourages of other Sidhe to back them up and the Summer Knight-and then Mab showed up, and it turns out it was HOLDING BACK.
And then Harry threatens Mab with having it bind her, and she seems convinced it could actually pull it off. For reference, Jim Butcher's said it would take the entire Red Court coordinating to take on Mab (alone, not on her territory) and they'd still have shit odds.
In short, it's almost like a magical TARDIS but spec'd for imprisoning shit instead of time travel.
If you don't want the ostensible responsibility of leading a nation of demons, I guess?
Or if you're hellbent (pun intended) on absolutely not being a demon
Or if you're one of those folks determined to keep your humanity/identity as untarnished as possible.
Or y'know. If something else fits your Jumper's personal narrative better.
A request for the people working on KH - Can there be an option to import an AI/Spirit as the intelligence in a Keyblade? Kinda like the option in Nanoha for Intelligent Devices?
I like consolidating my weapons, but that can get unethical quick when they're sentient.
Regardless of where you pick the form up, Biomega has a perk that lets you produce superstructure material as strings, kinda like a spider. So combine that with it and your butt can make some ridiculous stuff.
A general weapon import or companion import as a Keyblade is basically what I'm requesting, yes.
And I'm pretty sure Keyblades are at least a bit sentient, although if they aren't then that solves my issue anyway.
I think its abandonned dragondude.
Narrative, personal preference, fun. Take your pick. It's a single player game, so if you want your build to be about always going for the most powerful / minmaxed option then you can. But your chain doesn't have to be about that.
I went bard in FR because it sounded like fun, and I wanted to have a bunch of mishmash adventures. Most people either became a super powerful dragon or grabbed every class that wasn't nailed down. None of these are objectively right; they're choices made off of different priorities.
So, what makes sense for you?
Also, a lot of the old gods and such likely have way more power to throw around, the vampire courts (I'm not sure if the Black Court is around yet, but if they are they're not almost extinct) can act with much more impunity, and Merlin likely hasn't cobbled together the White Council yet, so there are going to be plenty of practitioners who unknowingly broke the laws and went insane.
Ask for mercy.
Something to note about all of this is that all these factions are not on one side. But for scale of threats... Look at the red court.
it took an archangel, posessing a warrior weilding a sword of the cross, a bloodline curse prepared by their own power, the winter lady, every trick in dresdens arsenal, and the god damn grey council, which has GODS LIKE ODIN on it, to hold them off long enough to actually end them. The sheer scale of power that group represents was the power they had to make it through this time period, since all of the lords of the red court are very clearly older than this timeframe. Quite simply, merlin was badass enough to subjegate and imprison what are SEVERAL Red courts(the whole damn thing not one vampire). The white council was likely devised as a defense measure for the prison, since in the power vaccum formed is when the players would move their pieces. With charisma and manipulation perks you would be more likely to survive with a 5 jump jumper than a 50 average jump badass. MAD destruction man, you have to balance the WMDs on each of your fingers
Some questions about TOME.
1. How mechanical does mechanical have to be in TOME? I was thinking of Less of a robot and more of a geometric shape.
2. Would full body rolling and pile bunker assisted charges be okay for New Mode of Transport?
3.Would ricochet body slams be all right for Improved CQC?
4.Do your gimmicks have to be part of you or can they sort of appear next to you?
5.If you have this is in fact my final form Can you use your avatar abilities outside of your avatar form? Or does the note against that take precedence?
Some questions about Stephen universe:
1. Is a bort still classified as a diamond?
2.Is The strength of Gem Power benchmarked At the examples listed? Because that's the best Hydrokinesis in all of jump chain,And, most certainly 0P.
3. Is a Venom-ruby a good idea or a bad idea for experiment?
4.Do your durability perks affect your gem core?
To be fair, much like the Denarians
the Archangels seem circumscribed in how far they can affect mortals by the bounds of free will, so even with Kusanagi Murphy was likely channelling only a fraction of Archangel Michael's full power. Given that a glimpse of Uriel's power has Harry realising he could bust galaxies by with an effort of will, while still mighty and terrible it should be clear in terms of raw powerlevel there wouldn't be much of a plot if Archangels could just throw around their undivided focus and power directly
In response to that though
the archangels are allowed to use as much power/words/influence as those who violate the free will of humans use in a "punishment for your sins" kind of way, so at that point michel was using the power from their millenia of human oppression against them. Not his full power sure, but a damn scary amount that allowed him to fight alone for a short bit before everyone REALIZED HE CHARGED THE VAMPIRES GATHERED FORCES ALONE
>Is The strength of Gem Power benchmarked At the examples listed? Because that's the best Hydrokinesis in all of jump chain,And, most certainly 0P.
Isn't lapis really really old?
>Is a Venom-ruby a good idea or a bad idea for experiment?
Venom ruby sounds like a great idea but I would guess its only powers would be shapeshifting which you already get. I have seen weirder gems but still venom or carnage gems probably dont get you much. Besides they are sapient and would require a pod. Unless you mean something from a different setting?
>Do your durability perks affect your gem core?
I dont see why they would really.
Yell, but I We Don't know that The strength of a gem is based on age.
They are people?! I'm pretty late into the game and I have not encountered anything mentioning anything about that!
Also, I was thinking something about a poisonous touch...
Well I figured since it was the real you and the Humanoid form was a Hard like projection Your stat boosts would work on the real you.
>I dont see why they would really.
Having not seen the show itself, does the gem have to stay with your body?
And if so, can someone explain why you'd want to give yourself a really shitty, fragile phylactery that you have to carry with you?
Yeah, it does. The gem is basically your real form, and the rest of your body is a hard light construct projected out from it.
On the plus side, you basically get to pick what part of your body it's protruding from.
> can someone explain why you'd want to give yourself a really shitty, fragile phylactery that you have to carry with you?
If the Venom-Ruby he's talking about is the Venom-Ruby from Fallen London, it's a pretty freaking terrible idea.
You see, a Venom-Ruby is a gem used to store a drop of the Cantigaster's venom. The Cantigaster once was some sort of Egyptian noble, who was dying from snake venom. His wife made a bargain with the Bazaar, and-something went awry. He's now this hideous, leprous mess constantly oozing a supernaturally deadly venom.
How deadly is it? People don't normally die in Fallen London. There's this...think of it as a demigod in a setting where the gods enforce the laws of reality by gazing on things, and it exudes enough eldritch life energy that people don't die unless they're very, very thoroughly killed.
Cantigaster venom? It kills people permanently, gg no rez.
You do not want to be like the Cantigaster in any way, shape or form. Unless you are already an absolutely repulsive, abhorrent blight to all existence.
>You do not want to be like the Cantigaster in any way, shape or form. Unless you are already an absolutely repulsive, abhorrent blight to all existence.
i'm banchô-Anon So...
To clarify: Normally it takes things like thoroughly burning the body or grinding up people into shredded meat to kill a Fallen Londoner for good.
Cantigaster venom kills people permanently dead with a few drops.
Anyway, yeah. Fallen London. It's like the Cthulhu Mythos in a lot of ways, except the driving force of the plot is forbidden love among eldritch beings.
I...literally can't argue with that.
You're absolutely right.
Yo, since you did 40K-what's your stance on the possibility of somehow achieving Omega-Blank levels of invisible soulness? Is it locked out if you took Psyker from LoT and then took Blank in 40K? Would you say there's any possible way of accomplishing it at all?
Gems are actually pretty durable. More durable than human body. The only thing that seems to really work is gem destabilizers which distrupt their hard light bodies.
A Quartz-the warrior caste-got flipped into her own FTL gem spaceship engine, while said spaceship crashlanded. She promptly crawled out and resumed fighting. Even after being tricked into fusing and dragged under the ocean, she's constantly struggling to break out and lay waste to humanity.
The gem barely holding her down is a better-or at least more precise-hydrokinetic than Leviathan of Worm fame, and FLEW THROUGH THE INTERSTELLAR VOID on WINGS OF WATER back to her home planet after a journey that took somewhere between a month and a year.
Oh, much better, I'd say, Her hydro-kinesis Controlled the entire ocean And turned it into a tower And made water duplicates of 3 1/2 gem,A magic lion And 2 humans simultaneously That were even matches for those people. the behemoth Made one copy of itself And used a substantially smaller quantity of water
Yep. Less substantial damage to the gem just disrupts powers a little, though.
Steven's big shtick is his saliva is apparently capable of healing gem damage near instantaneously
I would point out the Endbringers constantly job 99% of their battles but then again Leviathan didn't start wielding the entire ocean as a weapon while Zion was killing him.
Then again perhaps Zion was specifically stilling whatever aspect of energy Leviathan was using to control water with his wavelengths, just as he disrupted Behemoth's self-destruct attack with his light.
It's hard to tell powerlevels when one of the combatents can dampen powers, but I wouldn't call it either way when Endbringers are apparently multidimensional hypercompressed projections holding a spiral galaxy's worth of matter with a central core.
Actually now I think about it, Gems are basically mini-Endbringers in terms of biology.
Also, Leviathan. You mean Leviathan. And it didn't "copy" itself, it manipulated water it generated as an afterimage with enough force to shatter buildings and sink New Zealand.
Gems can get reduced to gem form if they take enough damage to destabilize the projection. But they're shown to be able to take a lot of damage. Garnet gets slammed into extremely hard shit pretty regularly. Jasper got caught in an exploding spaceship that slammed into earth and survived completely undamaged in body or gem.
Pearl only gets destabilized by getting stabbed in the back when she wasn't paying attention.
I'm willing to bet it's also partially based on gem caste.
And they can reform. The speed of which they can do so seems to depend on how well formulated they want their body to be. Pearl takes a couple days and comes back exactly as normal. Amethyst is shown to be able to do it almost instantly, but she comes out with severe mutations.
A sufficiently intelligent and willpower'd jumper can probably reconstitute just fine in a fraction of the time a normal gem would need.
Amethyst does get her gem cracked at one point... by falling from a height of like four stories and hitting a boulder head on with her gem specifically because she's a dumbass. At no point do any of the other gems suffer similar damage.
Gems aren't invincible, but they're more durable than humans and even their gems aren't exactly fragile. They're not going to get broken in half just from walking around.
But I guess it just depends on if you think gems are cool or not. Some people are never going to want that "weak point". That's fine.
But I still think gems are cool.
Anon's point is her baseline stats aren't as good, and all her danger comes from long practice and skill. She's the Archer/EMIYA of gems. Physiologicaly she's still a frail pretty thing for doing pretty things.
Well, that sounds more like a jumper problem. In-universe they're way more powerful than anything else on earth. And jumps aren't supposed to be balanced against other jumps.
So I guess if you stacked forty durability perks, you can just be a drop-in.
Questions about the One Piece jump.
Since we have a free nakama and it implies we will probably get more regardless. Can we use one of the companion options to flush them out if we don't have companions? Should the companion option still be dependent on our background if we use it like that? Or something something fanwank?
Also is it just me or is Skypiea a trap location? I feel like it should come with a mandatory complication since Enel will immediately know you are there and will probably either kill you or mess with you.
I'm not dismissing anyone. If you don't want to take the option or don't like it, that's fine. You are free to have opinions.
What I'm saying is, "I don't know what to tell you, dude. This is just how it works."
Unless the jump author comes on and says it works different, there's not a lot anyone can do to sway opinions.
Those opinions always falling into the camps of either "This is a trap" or "I think it's cool".
IMO, As great as his stories are Wildbow has issues with scale, which is normal for cape stuff. He had trouble showing just how powerful the Endbringers really were, exp since at that time we had a far greater threat. And its hard to show planet destroyers going at it and keeping the scenery and the rest of the cast around.
Hey I'm getting better at the no limits fallacy thing, and That's part of why I'm asking these questions. On one hand , it would make sense for the durability perks to work on your real body before they would work on a solid hologram being projected from your body. Also, it gives no indication either way.
Also, curing astigmatism in humans.
Because if you're a Gem, then that Gemstone is literally your body. So durability perks would absolutely make your new body more durable. Similarly, I wouldn't really say it'd give you an "organ," any more than having a body gives you an organ - your body. Stab the body, kill the Jumper.
I just apply Death of the Author to the Endbringers. Wildbow might have indicated they were jobbing and secretly had the power to obliterate the planet, but since they didn't use any of that power - even when fighting Zion - then I feel free to disregard authorial intent, and just go with what we actually know.
Tthe fuckhuge durability is canon, because Tattletale says they double each layer. But the planet-cracking power? Pure speculation.
True, but my point with the later half is that you can find perks that say you don't need a brain, a heart, lungs, and all that jazz. But if you're a gem that gem is always vital, because there's nothing else to you.
For a second there, I thought you meant the Princess Bride perk.
I personally like to stick as closely to canon and the author's notes as possible (if only because it makes for a more awesome challenge) but your stance is also reasonable considering how Lung should've gotten squished wrestling Leviathan even if Levi was jobbing hard; no upper limit to dragon mode or not, the kind of density Levi was packing should've splintered him.
Okay, so let's say I pick up Correspondence from the Jump. (Or Judgement, since that also comes with heat immunity, right?)
How many other ways will acquiring forbidden knowledge make my brains leak out? I'm not that familiar with the setting.
What's up with Mr. Eaten and wells?
Similarly, if you threw an Endbringer into the sun "the Endbringer stops holding back".
Which is just an utterly unnecessary mangling of appropriate scale, especially given how inefficient their durability is compared to other examples, and how easy it would be to fake that durability with other methods.
No. In this universe, Leviathan only masses nine tons. But he's got a huge reserve of extradimensional mass that he can pass energy and momentum to. So he acts like he's a nine ton mass in all respects except taking damage.
Oh, there are a lot of other things that will drive you to madness, I just chose the Correspondence one since "your brain catches fire" is pretty dramatic. There are the Fingerkings and their realm on the other side of mirrors, the Mountain of Light (which is benevolent by still utterly horrifying), the High Wilds where the Judgements dwell, Mr. Eaten and the God-Eaters, the ultimate fate of the Fallen Cities as they're sacrificed to the Stone Pigs...the 'Neath is not a nice place.
It might be, though you might have to account for the Simurgh moving him back with telekinesis, or it "swimming" back with its afterimage.
Worst case scenario, your plan works and three other Endbringers wake up.
Search-fu has failed me on what Omega level entails relative to other levels of blank
what I will say about limits of blank ability
>No draining psykers to empower yourself
>No killing mundanes
>No destroying souls
Starting level for Faith Powers is slightly below that of the psyker perk, and while you can learn how to make the most of these powers, you can't train them up in the traditional sense (they only work when you use them for realsies).
However these tradeoffs come with two big bonuses relative to psykers.
>Faith powers will never backfire on you, and are generally more reliable (barring issues with the next point). It doesn't even depend on your own energy reserves since Big E is doing the heavy lifting.
>The potential range of power is much larger than the psyker perk alone.
There are two ways to increase potential faith powers; first and primary is to gain the Emperor's favor, pray, smite chaos/xenos, etc.
Post jump Emps will simplify this to Humans=Good Demons=Bad.
The other way is with a congregation, ironically much like a WAAAAAAGH, getting a mob together and whipping them into a frenzy will give you a temporary boost.
Going back to your original question, living sainthood is essentially the peak of what this perk can do, but keep in mind living saints are basically Daemon Princes of the emperor, so that can have implications.
I presume this was some sort of space-time fuckery that let him dump his fat ass' weight in some other unfortunate universe, while remaining sprighty and bouncy in Earth Bet
Off the top of my head:
Don't investigate mirrors. The dream-snakes will take an interest in you and try to posess you. They're kinda like True Fae, but have far less direct influence in the physical world (they can still sort of melt meat by making them unreal or something) and dwell in the dream-world behind mirrors.
Certain dreams can have strange effects. If you dream of storms, it means a dead thunder-dragon is telepathically contacting you. This is not necessarily a bad thing, mind you; just remember dead does not equal unable to do shit. The dragons are the stars' enforcers. They eat time. If you dream about chess, it's probably a metaphor for conspiracies far and wide. If you dream of fire, it's a metaphor for the Masters' squabbling.
Mr. Eaten and wells A long time ago, one of the Masters was betrayed and murdered. Suffice to say the way he was killed was several orders of magnitude more severe than Cantigaster venom. The thing is-the Bazaar basically swore mystic oaths that everything would work out fine to the Masters, and implicitly the weight of this promise was such it allowed Mr Eaten to become a spirit of hunger and vengeance. Seeking more information about Mr Eaten gradually turns you into Mr Eaten-or an extension of him, rather. He's this sentient absence of existence who wants to take revengeance on the Bazaar and the Masters
Don't forget Irrigo: Eldritch purple radiation that spouts from somewhere called the Cave of the Nadir which has conceptual properties of forgetfulness.
Human skulls GROW BONES TO COVER YOUR EYESOCKETS because YOUR VERY BONES are desparate to protect you from that stuff. It's the reason why normal reality doesn't work in the Neath; the stars can't see through the stuff.
>There are two ways to increase potential faith powers; first and primary is to gain the Emperor's favor, pray, smite chaos/xenos, etc.
>Post jump Emps will simplify this to Humans=Good Demons=Bad.
So as you continue along your chain, if you make a point of siding with humanity, particularly in the face of demons, your Faith Powers will grow. Am I understanding you correctly?
>The other way is with a congregation, ironically much like a WAAAAAAGH, getting a mob together and whipping them into a frenzy will give you a temporary boost.
How would that work if you had a permanent base of devotees and worshippers? Would you still only get the boost while they're praying and the like?
>keep in mind living saints are basically Daemon Princes of the emperor, so that can have implications.
If that were to happen post-jump, though, wouldn't you just turn into a Daemon Prince of humanity, given what you said above?
Thanks for answering this, by the way, it's been rattling around in my head for a bit.
Basiaclly ASA's waifu is incredibly judgemental and intolerant of everyone who's broken arbitrary laws and who isn't also a star so-don't go back to the surface
Saitama is an Endbringer adopted by humans and brought up as one of them, like Tarzan and the apes.
It all makes sense now.
It's worth noting, too, that most strength perks in the chain are written such that you can /lift/ X weight and that lifting strength does not necessarily correlate to explosive power.
Power and Olympic lifters can put up huge weights, but they can't throw as hard as professional baseball and football players who lift considerably less.
I'm not saying that strength perks are useless, mind you, just that people here tend to not look at how strength works.
The above also carries over into discussing the relationship between raw strength and punching power.
When people write strength perks, they're generally imagining it applies to ALL feats or strength, not just lifting. So your position is going to end up invalid more often than not.
That's the thing, though, punching and throwing aren't necessarily feats of strength as such. In order to really get the most of of those stacks you'd need to invest in speed talents as well.
Your grappling martial arts, though, wouldn't suffer from what I referenced.
No, it's the same as how people writing speed perks don't give you friction immunity. They're not intentionally fucking you over and making you burst into flame, they're just not physicists or trying to apply hard physics to fictional settings and assume you can be an adult and accept the perk at its intent.
You're basically rules lawyering it, trying to tell people their strength perks don't do anything, because you're being autistic about real world physics here.
>like aforementioned WAGH, you can only use it while its going on
>the power is still coming from Emps (or maybe its Jumpchan pretending to be emps, doesn't matter for your purposes), and while you could use congregates to use power on this level without side-effects, becoming a living saint basically means you're at least partially composed of warp energy
suffice to say, a blank living saint is probably a bad idea
I didn't say that the strength perks didn't do anything. I said that there isn't a 1:1 correlation to increased raw strength and increased punching/throwing power.
I also said that that would be limited if not out and out mitigated by speed perks.
I'm not trying to rules lawyer, just trying to bring up some different ideas so people can flesh out their builds.
Mr. Eaten was once Mr. Candles, one of the Masters of the Bazaar. The name is a misconception, the "Masters" are actually the servants of the space-crab whose back the Bazaar is built upon. One of their primary duties is to acquire new cities from which to harvest stories of tragic love, as the Bazaar (the space-crab and its institution are often referred to with the same name) is hoping that if it accumulates a great enough collection of romantic non-fiction it can convince the Judgements that its love for our solar system's sun should not be taboo. It's complicated.
Anyway, Mr. Candles screwed up. It's not clear exactly what happened, but it's implied that it had something to do with the purchase of the Second City. The Masters HATE the Second City. The place was a lemon, completely worthless for harvesting love stories, and they were stuck with it for over two millennia. And it's suggested that Mr. Candles, in taking pity on the daughters of the Pharaoh (the second city was somewhere Egyptian, probably Amarna from what evidence we have), was the reason why its flaws were overlooked. He always was the softest of the Masters.
So on comes the Third City. Somewhere Mayan, believed to be Chichen Itza. This was a good city, one that could finally replace the Second and get a good crop of romance from. And, well, the priest-kings of the Third City demanded immortality as the price for their city. So the Masters gave them Mr. Candles. They ate his flesh, and became the undead God Eaters.
But Mr. Candles didn't die. The Masters have a deal with the Bazaar, they stick around as long as it does. Those bits of him that survived were drowned in a well of the Bazaar's tears (not that weird, in itself, lacre is a pretty common substance down there), and the well entombed in a temple far to the north. From there he can still reach out through dreams to influence his puppets to strike at the bazaar or to perhaps one day resurrect himself through them.
>I didn't say that the strength perks didn't do anything
You said they didn't apply to anything but lifting. Is that literally NOTHING? No, but it is trying to completely neuter their intent by rules lawyering.
They don't need speed perks. They weren't written with the assumption of hard physics and with your hard understanding of how things work in reality. They were intended to work for power and feats of strength. Again, you're being autistic as all hell.
>>the power is still coming from Emps (or maybe its Jumpchan pretending to be emps, doesn't matter for your purposes), and while you could use congregates to use power on this level without side-effects, becoming a living saint basically means you're at least partially composed of warp energy
>suffice to say, a blank living saint is probably a bad idea
So if your actions on behest of mankind power you up over time and continually work toward the betterment of mankind does that mean that living sainthood is inevitable? Can you put the breaks on your ascension so you don't go full warp creature?
Ayep. It's worth noting Fallen London stars are a very specific type of eldritch abomination, a little like the Outer Gods and the C'tan.
What you gotta understand is-there's this hierarchy, the Great Chain, they enforce. Basically, they and beings they consider valuable for various reasons are at the top, less real beings like Fingerkings and Devils are far near the bottom.
It's hard to say how they'd react to, for example, a Narnia star. On the one hand, you'd be far less than a bonafide star; it's implied there are different powerlevels and degrees of authority among the stars being as the Sun's romantic proposal got rejected by some other star and a star called the White ordered another star to investigate the Neath, so you'd probably be near the bottom of the pecking order. On the other hand, seeing as Narnian stars DO have duties and such during their stay, they...might value you more than most mortal life, seeing as you're more useful to them than most. Maybe on par with the Masters?
That's the real tragedy of Mr Candles nee Eaten. Even after becoming a spirit of hungervengeance a few stories imply he's somewhat sympathetic to the lorn-flukes (giant mutant alien urchins also screwed over by the Bazaar, and angry about it). In fact, he's implied to have been the Master to have brokered a deal with the Fluke race in the first place, to shield them from the stars' light.
Because a difficulty with suspension of disbelief is leading me to a conclusion.
Your problem is you're trying to start a conversation by invoking two soft points. The first is applying hard, realistic physics to a bunch of anime and videogames. The second is in trying to limit or weaken people by applying the first. The first is missing the point, the second people simply don't like.
Honestly, I just went back and reread what I wrote and I don't see anything where I tried limiting or weakening people. I made an observation about the relationship between lifting strength and explosive power, and a comment about how speed will help you get the most out of your strength build.
Maybe I'm just not seeing something, and if I am please let me know, but can you point to where I said that people are necessarily weakened and that I'm trying to force this on people?
>I don't see anything where I tried limiting or weakening people.
You don't see how telling people their strength perks don't make them more powerful is limiting and weakening people?
>That's not what I said, though,
It is, though. You told people they'd have to get speed perks to make their strength perks have value and do what they're saying they do. That makes people weaker, because their strength perks now don't do anything, and because they now have to buy more perks to make those initial perks do anything. This isn't a hard concept.
They're higher up on the totem pole, they get more consideration and leniency from the Judgements. Humans are low on the Chain of Being, and have very few rights in the cosmic system of law. Masters still don't have much, but it's more than humans get. They can get away with more violations of the cosmic order without being punished for it.
No, just the fact that he's trying to force his own interpretation of that anon's words into the anon's mouth makes it wrong. If anon already said he's not here to try and limit people why continue to force the argument?
Define "worth noting". The stars don't even pay attention to humans most of the time,
What separates things on the Chain is mysterious. However, it's worth noting Masters are capable of surviving and hunting in outer space. Like many Lovecraft eldritch abominations they lean away from overt displays of power, but when you're hunting the Vake (Mr Veils likes to dress up as a scary matter and hunt people) it speaks in a bastardised form of Correspondence that cracks the ground in the weird dreamworld you're fighting on.
Broadly speaking your position on the Chain denotes how "real" you are. Stars define reality. Humans are real. Fingerlings are unreal and therefore don't exist, technically, under normal circumstances.
No? He just said that lifting strength doesn't indicate exactly how hard you'll punch/throw, then made a suggestion about how to improve on it. If that's not the intention of the strength perks, the jump writers are free to correct it in the thread or through an update. You're acting paranoid for no reason.
Your problem is you can't tell the difference between someone giving an order and someone giving their opinion. Or between explaining to someone why they're wrong and being an abrasive cunt.
Honestly, I'm just going to back out of the conversation. Thanks for weighing in, though.
Look, I don't know what the issue is but I'm just going to back out of this conversation now. You've misrepresented what I've said in numerous posts, you've failed to address my questions, and, to be honest, it's coming across as a passive-aggressive attempt to start something. The topic struck me as interesting in passing, but not so much that it's worth continuing down the path you're intent on making.
Even that is debatable, as the blast that turned Betroth into a skeleton should of fried the earth with photon radiation at least. And yes thats considering the fact it didn't actually get that far into him at all.
It boils down to a sort of cosmic nepotism. Masters have, as mentioned earlier, fulfilled bargains for immortality in a twisted manner.
A lot of FL lore is mysterious and ambiguous because cosmic horror.
Uh, why do you think this guy is a jumpmaker?
You're making the assumption that a bunch of anime and videogame strength perks obey hard, real world physics or the jump writers were thinking of hard, real world physics about lifting strength vs whatever other kind of strength when writing them.
And 'is' is a statement of fact. Anon is making an argument that it is this way, so in the pretense of an argument, it would be countered by arguing why it's not that way.
>I don't know what the issue is
People by strength perks to have more power, and these perks are written with that assumption. Telling people that this isn't the case and they need speed perks is snatching away the perk's intent and why people purchased them out of a hard physics argument. Like I pointed out above, it's like arguing that using your speed perks is going to kill you because you're not immune to friction.
You guys are really defensive and easily offended, huh?
I hope he isn't the same guy who admitted to shitting on Red because he was paranoid about fan clubs or whatever.
Either way. I at least won't hesitate to speak my mind so as not to encourage his bullshit.
It's kept fairly vague, admittedly. But it seems to do with authority over your own reality. Creatures low on the Chain are punished if they try to change things too much. For example, genetic engineering is illegal under the law of the Judgements because low-chain creatures don't have the right to reshape life like that. So a lot of more advanced sciences and technologies are only permitted to creatures higher up the chain. Similarly, they have permission to travel, the Judgements don't really like low-chain creatures going into space. But the Masters are literally alien space bats, hunting across the stars is allowed for them. Basically, the Judgements want to keep you from doing anything interesting, because you are just a pathetic little human. You can break their laws, but that carries risks of them burning you or sending time-dragons to eat you (yes, there are time dragons, Fallen London is a weird universe). Being higher on the chain means you don't have to worry about that.
You're making the assumption other people have ulterior motives and jumping to conclusions, and frankly coming off like you think you speak for everyone here.
Which is patently false.
There is no "discussion" going on. The other party has made repeated attempts to reiterate his intentions, you've made repeated attempts to twist his words around. A discussion implies that both parties are willing to converse, here it's you chasing him down like a rabid mutt and gnawing on his leg until he catches rabies.
Mainly because you were trying to assert the false premise of him trying to "nerd" people, which if you haven't noticed makes you come across as paranoid, hypocritical and myopic.
Not really. Saying that his statement, if true, would limit people, is not a statement of an 'ulterior motive'.
Also I'm speaking against an argument and an assertion. If you think that's speaking for everyone that's kinda your own paranoia.
You guys aren't insulated here. You've seen shitflinging. You know this isn't comparable to those people screaming bloody murder back and forth.
His statement, if accepted, does limit and weaken these perks. I expressed arguments above that justify this conclusion. I didn't imply maliciousness, and even made another post >>45071541 about the difference between intent and results.
There's some idiot whose hobby seems to be taking potshots at anyone who even dares take a different interpretation of a perk from him and absolutely rejects the concept of having a civil discussion, and accuses them of nerfing if they argue back at him.
If I've taken anything from this particular squabble, it's not to respond to a certain style of poster since he can't be filtered.
I wish he'd just trip so I can filter him really. There's two or three of them around that act pretty much the same way, feeling they need to be defenders of jumpchain or something like that, and they never shut up until you just ignore them altogether and they feel like they've won the argument.
As someone who took a step back for a while and then came back, This thread seems to be getting far more frustrated for some reason. You can see it in just about everything nowadays, from anonymous and namefag.
What’s the best jump to be a bad guy on? A jump where flexing your muscles, literal or figurative, and wildly indulging your id is perfectly okay.
Where do you go when you feel the need to be bad?
I still don't see how it's 'no fun allowed'. I'm trying to argue against that guy's conclusion. He thought it was harmless, but I didn't agree and tried to explain why that conclusion would limit the perks. That's a pretty normal conversation.
Then everyone else just gets really angry and insults me far worse than I ever did him. Then make a bunch more posts than either of us ABOUT us, and claim we're clogging the thread up. I just don't get it.
Thank goodness you're here to provide a change of subject.
About MGNQ-what sort of world-changing events are there I should be on guard for?
Is Pinky literally Madokami with all her powers but evil? If so, I don't understand why people aren't more paranoid about her,
What do you expect when we always end up talking about the same vein of topics? We're bound to end up hitting the same arguments endlessly. The problem is that these arguments never get clearly resolved, so even the next time they come around, we end up with the same conclusion. Can't blame people for getting frustrated if they start to see a "history repeats itself" situation.
She's Madokami with all her powers but evil. But she's also kind of apathetic about the whole evil thing. She's more interested in trolling the world than destroying it. Sure, she'll occasionally corrupt someone to evil and turn them into a weapon against reality, but she gets more entertainment out of just screwing with people's heads.
For real? I don't know if it's you, me or everyone else, but when you post you have a tendency to come across as very accusatory and demanding; if you're sincere about only wanting to explain rather than accused I've observed you tend to fous on the exact meaning of words whereas others like myself are more convinced by the tone of the message because of, frankly, a lot of bad blood and worse arguments that've rendered me cynical and suspicious over 500 threads. You don't seem to feel it's justified to try to communicate with fewer imperatives, so all I can say to advise you is not to jump to conclusions about other peoples' intent or give the impression of doing so.
And if this all in fact an elaborate ruse, I suppose I'll follow the anon above's advice and try not to respond to you after explaining myself here.
Christ, why hasn't anyone ever discussed their plans to survive/avoid/defeat (HA) HER? She sounds way more frightening than any of the regulars in the how-to-kill editions of /jc/
well, the drawbacks relating to walpurgisnacht means you're dealing with one of 7 instances of the titular megawitch, think magical kaiju for reference
there's also Kharn Valnikov crushing the 3rd and the appearence of Golden Weapons
writeups mention numerous other events, like Varrigan City but those are all up in the air now
I've never felt that relying on feelings is a good metric. I'm a logical person, so whenever I'm talking to people, I like to focus on what they said over how they said it. Which is basically what you said, yeah. All that out there, I don't see how my own tone was negative. That's why I'm frustrated, if I was being an asshole I could see people reacting poorly, but here I tried not to be one. So I don't get where people came to this conclusion.
Speaking about intent in particular though, I made a post saying that I can acknowledge his intent, but that what the meaning of his statement would still lead to what I was saying it would. I even pointed back to that post later, but people ignored that post and my re-referencing of that post. Like, I don't see how it's accusatory to say that I get that what he intended is different, when we're talking about what the words mean.
She's omnipotent. Most people aren't dumb enough to go against actual omnipotents.
I don't think the view of topics is the issue its the reaction to them. This is all for fun and differences in opinion should be valued but not considered an attack or something you have to listen too either way.
Also we probably do have a few actual bad apples. Or at least people who want to control the thread though arguing and whining.
Please for christ' sake just let it go and stop rehashing shit already. How many times do I need to ask you to drop it? The other party already left. You're just kicking a dead horse by now.
What do you think you achieve by doing this? Do you think you have a reputation to justify? Some sort of identity to clear up? Do you think we're all watching for your next great debate? You're frustrated, he's frustrated, everyone can be frustrated, why does it matter?
If it were not for the fact that you evidently type without the use of a TtS device, your approach to this isn't that far from Banchou's.
Wait, you called him autistic, you repeatedly ignored what he said in favor of your interpretation, and you're claiming that your problem is that you're too logical?
That's obtuse, even for 4chan that's obtuse.
I did that twice and stopped. I can see how it's a mistake.
>You ignored what he said.
Dude, he told me he didn't intend to weaken people, I acknowledged that and tried to explain why that conclusion would still do that. It's not as mean and accusatory and you're trying to paint it.
And no, I was expressing my feelings and logic vs feelings. Which is funny, but no, I wasn't claiming that was my 'problem'. I'm claiming I don't get why people reacted how they did.
Boiled down to the basics, I didn't like being accused of being a shitposter or being a raging monster, especially not the one from two threads ago. Especially when it segued into the 'what's wrong with /jc/' argument some people keep reposting every other thread because I don't exactly want this place to go to seed myself and being accused of being WHY that is isn't nice.
So basically it hurt my feelings.
When a person has an opinion, you can do one of three things. You accept it and move on, you reject it and move on, or you ignore it and move on.
Unfortunately the moving on part is usually absent, just like what happened here. The people involved see some sort of need to circle around the topic like a flock of vultures and wait for it to die.
If you consider a normal conversation to be a mutual exchange of ideas - then what happened above, used as an example, stopped being a normal conversation probably by the second or third post in. Neither party seemed to acknowledge this until when one side backed out entirely, moving on. The other side appears to still be here for some reason.
Typically, the scope and depth of the topics discussed shouldn't be an issue, that's true. But when the topics that we cycle through tend to carry inherent problems, and people continue to see it as some sort of war that they need to win, eventually the "reaction" and the "topic" become nearly identical. It's not too far different from taking a derivative to infinity.
What about when the person with the opinion is trying to start a discussion with it? That's what happened here, the guy himself said he wanted to talk about it. Moving on is still a valid response, but it isn't the only or the intended one.
Fine. You want to approach this from a completely logical angle? Take >>45072147's advice and cut the sass while you're trying to present a position.
It's ironic you seem offended while being incapable of understanding why the person you were arguing with is.
Also, Madokami isn't technically omnipotent or Homura wouldn't have been able to steel her powers in Rebellion Story. Presumably neither is Pinky, but my concern stems from a nigh-omnipotent with a vested interest in fucking with you.
He tried to start a discussion. It failed from the moment the other party recognized that his own perspective was "misinterpreted" and left. He continued the discussion regardless.
Technically if everyone had taken the upper road and ignored him from that moment on, we wouldn't have burned twenty to thirty posts and his feelings wouldn't be hurt.
It's fine to start a discussion. It's fine to talk about things. But it needs to be recognized when the other party doesn't want to continue the discussion.
Here's my issue with what you've been saying. Leave aside the name calling, which is juvenile and adds nothing to the discussion, and to your credit you stated that that was a mistake.
My issue is that your responses came across as cherry picked. He asked you to cite particular things he stated, and you never did that. He asked you to cite particular examples, and you never did that. He attempted, again and again, to engage with you from multiple angles, but you just kept hammering away with your interpretation of his argument.
For me it was hard to read that as anything but an attempt to incite shit flinging.
You know what else is important to recognise? When a discussion is convoluted, pedantic and unfulfilling for everyone involved.
So on an unrelated note: Jumpers. Many threads ago we discussed your preferred building materials and Warehouse wallpaper styles. But what sort of aesthetics do you favour for your weapons, clothing, furniture and miscallenous objects too small to be called property?
Also, favorite potion?
Strangely enough, that's why I made the banchou comment. It feels exactly like what a prosecutor would do, hammer at the same point repeatedly until the defendant lets something slip so it can be used against them. Either the defendant breaks, or the defendant really is "innocent" and the prosecutor moves on to another line of attack.
I've never been a fan of wall paper. I prefer paint or, if the material is aesthetically pleasing, bare walls.
For aesthetics of gear, I do gravitate toward what I can baroque functionalism. Basically it's a minimalists approach to the 40k aesthetic. Pic related is a decent example.
Sort of a fantasy India look for clothing, I guess. Flowing cloth in bright colors and elaborate patterns. It can wind up looking tacky if done wrong, but when you get it right it looks really good. Weapons tend to be metallic bronze or gold shades with some light engraving. Furniture I'm not too specific about, I just go for whatever is comfortable. Miscellaneous objects tend to vary a lot based on function, too.
I don't really need furniture these days.
>Rainbows. Rainbows on everything.
I would love to mock this, but I spent a shit ton of time reverse engineering the MCU Bifrost and installing it into my LoT. So now that's more or less how my companions and I get around if there isn't a need for stealth.
It's kinda grown on me.
For me it's mainly because I jumped the Robot Unicron Attack gauntlet early on, so-Unicronium is literally the first magical material I had easy access to and I dunno, it's kinda grown on me y'know?
I would make a comment about how comfy couches /are/ a necessity, but I have no idea how you'd even make a comfy couch that'd survive all your spines and shit.
That's a hell of a sacrifice for power there, zerganon.
Primal Zerg are pretty strong, I won't deny that. They're also the only dinosaur-like things there, and dinosaurs are cool.
I tend to either go for sleek and silver-y, or a very Asura's Wrath-like hindu-tech aesthetic.
They eat souls when humans die.
No seriously. The Great Chain? At least one of the reasons it exists is to cultivate a food supply for the stars. Souls are like tiny little spores they feast on, and if they're removed carefully you don't even need one to live.
>preferred building materials
Magic-guided plantlife combined with a mixture of SOMA's Structure Gel, and Biomega's Reverse Phase Imaging Polymer and Regenerator Cell- Look. I dunno what it is, I'm going off the jump's descriptions until I research. But you know that superstructure in Biomega?
I use that material, guided plantlife-growing, and shit to build structures mega-fast.
Hardcore celtic aesthetic. It ranges from my rune circles for spells and transmutation taking the shape of Celtic knots and circles, to the fact that using my technical authority as a Celtic god from Smite, I'm going to be trying to remake my own versions of weapons from those myths and legends.
It's worth noting the exact process of how it works is very unclear, though. I didn't remember the collected mass thing actually; I thought it was just exceptionally rare, shiny souls with poorly defined characteristics. I do recall Coruscating Souls belongong to geniuses, prophets, queens and the like are really shiny while the one referred to as a Judgement's Egg is both pale and bright
I think it's a little of both. Like you said, it's very unclear. Some souls are higher quality, but we also have references to it being possible to get the same job done though quantity. So all souls are made of star-stuff, but some are made of more?
Lots of Gold wall carvings Depicting my companions in their moments of triumph Interrupted by doors to our personal Accommodations,And the velvet rope around the spectral containment unit. Tons of Adamantium pillars holding up the warehouse Storage area above us. It's Furnished a lot like a Delinquent Themed host club. I had to clear out the basement Ball pit to make a greenhouse. And then there's the door to the tower Which houses the wonders from civilization, the Zurg Hive,The minion barracks,The aperture portal device Portal to the Captains Quarters on my LoT, and the upper levels of warehouse storage.
Ornate for the sake of ornateness. I favor a biomechanical look for the most part, and like to decorate with a lot of whorls and similarly curving or spiraled patterns, most of which will be glowing faintly.
Never bothered to tart up the warehouse. Got a couple of posters up early on from inFamous and that was pretty much it. Always feel like I have bigger stuff going on, none of my companions wanted to and I'm not going to let anyone else in there long enough to do it.
Aesthetics for weapons, clothing and furniture tends to be sleek and dark. Lots of stuff in black and white as well due to the whole magpie aesthetic.
Not even really any more of a thief than the average jumper, magpies actually don't care for shiny stuff
Sort of changes with the setting as well, pretty much just wear whatever seems appropriate for the setting. I hate buying clothes now so I'd largely just stick with the shit I already have from each background identity.
Favourite potion is probably from Sims 3 but I'd struggle to decide on just one. The ones that change lifestate, age or make someone automatically your friend are all pretty great, also have a soft spot for the one you throw at people to make them morbidly obese as that's really funny in certain contexts. Sims 3 builds without the Alchemist perk are for scrubs.
A question regarding Atelier Arland: If I use the 400CP version of Explorer to give Attach Element to the monsters I fight, is their usage of that elemental affinity required to be literal? That is to say, could I have monsters with symbolic applications of their elemental affinity, such as a water-aligned monster that instead of having waterbending is very flexible and agile?
Take the end of the world drawback, the ability to Do non-G Rated things And unleash violence and debauchery in generic Sugar bowl Then just Fuck off into space When the time comes for the world To end
As a cautionary tale, presumably. A remnant from when we didn't have Spacebattles for examples of how not to write Jumps.
Mandatory permanent companion Kills, and it looks terrible.
My god your taste is somehow shittier than Tera's.
Look at it.
It's functional. That's all that can be said.
Well, for starters? A mandatory drawback that guarantees the death of your companions
Oh, and it hands out artifacts that do things the Endless can do like party favours
Also, the way magic works is explained in the vaguest possible way.
That's true, but I do think there are good ways to describe open ended magic systems. Look at Dresden Files.
Also Lucifer is David Bowie in his prime instead of Peter Stromare, and he's a lot less of a cunt.
Not to be confused with Beelzebub, the First of the Fallen or the other notables of Hell, who are very proactive cunts.
The worlds best con man and worst friend fights evil through questionable means and with questionable results. All of that set to a backdrop of 80s UK through a cynical noir esq lense.
Eh, I'd say there's a difference. Dresden magic operates on fairly hard rules and mostly involves manipulating energy via willpower.
Hellblazer magic is basically a deus ex machina that can or can't achieve whatever is needed to advance the plot and mostly involves chanting some dead language and having some random shit happen.
Life Fibers and Structure Gel. Everything I build looks like a horrifying amalgamation of xenomorph plating and glowing red/orange cobwebs. It's beautiful.
Favorite potion... also Structure Gel. It does a body good.
I guess we have very different definitions of standard quality, then. What really gets my goat is the obligatory companion death and the absurd provision of artifacts on par with the Endless' feats.
The companion death thing is a dubious. I don't really care too much about the item quality, it seems like the bulk of the jumpmaker's efforts was focused on the perks and he just tossed in whatever items he could find from the setting.
It fits the template either way, I'd say it matches the standards.
I really liked Constantine the show. Too bad it got canned.
I dunno, the companion death thing seems a clear violation of the template to me. I personally don't appreciate that sort of approach to items either, but I admit the template doesn't exactly proscribe how you must lay out items.
Agree to disagree, I guess.
I mean, it's not like other jumps don't do that. Inside Out straight-up deletes your companions if they fall into the bottomless hole, and unlike Hellblazer they don't come back at the end of the jump.
I think if you see the template as something that can be violated and not just as a baseline standard, well Hellblazer would be a "minor transgression" compared to many other jumps on the drive that have deviated in other ways.
Nah, I mean like-yeah, >>45075446 puts it best really. And I think Hellblazer is entirely bad changes. But don't get me wrong, I'm all for creativity in jump design; I may have been thinking of the overall rules of jumpchain rather than the template in particular
Huh. I...did not know that.
I mean, I could point out that aspect isn't mandatory but then again as you say, it is explicitly permanent.
I've never heard of anyone gloating about it on the general. All evidence seems to point to some dumb motherfucker just straight up uploading that piece of shit onto the drive without further consultation.
I'm not sure if it's worth the effort. People were ignoring Hellblazer before this without issue, I know I'll just go back to ignoring it again after this. The only reason I could see requesting for it to get deleted is if someone wants to replace it with their own copy.
Which leads to the whole mib Bleach Code Geass thing again.
Doubt anyone would since it's the reason the rule was made. I don't fell like going into the archive, but I'm pretty sure the only reason it's still up is because some people didn't want it deleted until there was a replacement. Well that and Brutus said he wanted to give the creator some time to claim it and address complaints, but that never happened.
The problem with touching existing jumps is essentially that reaction though. When even the jumpmaker themselves can find it difficult to update a jump without people shouting and yelling, it makes replacing an existing jump with a new one a bit of a daunting challenge.
This isn't even like suggesting that somebody take over a WIP that's been put up for adoption. We don't really have grounds to say that the jump is invalid besides a single deviation from the norm, the rest of the jump actually meets all the baseline requirements. So even if some of us are in agreement that the quality is lacking the choice of ignoring it is much more a path of lesser resistance.
If somebody wants to actually make a remake and put it up, even then I don't know what the response is going to be. We might just get that one guy who decides to argue for the sake of argument.
I feel like it might be a poor precedent but that's my only main complaint. It's not like anybody likes it, and it's not like anybody knows the person who made it and thus can dislike treating them poorly.