Do you enjoy this new meta now that Splinter Twin and Summer Bloom are banned? Have you played it in a competitive environment yet?
I quit modern.
I'm selling my modern collection and getting into legacy, because the best thing that could happen to that format was wizards ignoring it. And the worst thing to happen to modern was wizards caring about it
Gifts is pretty nice too for that matter. Iona is probably the weakest choice for double Entomb these days, we're in the age of perfect (albeit painful) mana. So decks routinely run two or more colors and can play around Iona.
Depends. Do you want to be slow, or get blown out by Pyroclasm?
The LEAST Wizards could do if they wanna pretend they care about Modern is try to keep the costs down.
The fact that Wizards want to exercise stiffing control over the format AND completely refuse to support it with reprints is baffling, it seriously looks like they're trying to kill it on purpose.
It's a higher-powered format that's growing at a time when Standard is especially shit. Either Wizards controls the format more tightly and starts "rotating" it with bans, or they kill it to protect Standard.
>But they clearly don't care about Modern.
My point is that, instead of just leaving well enough alone they're taking moves to deliberately HARM the format. They keep talking all that good shit about how they want the format to be "healthy" while doing absolutely fuck all to KEEP it healthy.
They don't just "not care" about it. They're doing everything they can to keep people out of it because they want it to die.
Twin ban boggles my mind. Twin has had more of the meta in a less diverse meta before but its been left alone. It is the poster child for fair combo and interaction. It literally makes no sense as a healthy ban.
I'm planning on getting faeries as my first modern deck but I can't afford just buying it all at the same time. I've been thinking of something like pic related to start with and get bitterblossoms, thoughtseizes and cryptic all later. I'm not expecting to win much and our LGS is pretty casual but is it worth bothering or should I just buy whole deck later?
I think they're just really stupid honestly
WotC killing something accidentally by their idiocy seems the most realistic scenario what with their current employees being what they are
Hanlon's Razor and whatnot
>Zada, Hedron Grinder
>Krenko, Goblin Gangbanger
Can it be done? Can I nuke my opponent with tons of goblins and a fucking CMC 1 instant?
Splinter Twin was banned because combo is inherently unhealthy, anon! Turning creatures sideways is healthy, fair, and balanced!
Now go buy more Oath and Battle packs so you can finish building that sweet new Eldrazi deck that everyone's talking about, I hear it's quite good and cheap, well below the high barrier of entry you should expect for a non-rotating fomat! But it's a good, fair deck, so buy now before the prices spike!
I usually only play standard and legacy because aid hate modern, but my friends and me are going to a tournament relatively soon. Is it safe to use a control deck? Like an esper control deck with a gifts package? Rely on planeswalkers?
Cross thread post.
You describe my situation to a T. Here are my thoughts on the matter: the new eldrazi deck is cute but doesn't have what it takes to be anywhere near as good as tron. If your okay with that then go for it. Personally, I don't like what I see in the deck. Further more, if you are concerned about an impending ban, I would like to point out that the prime target is the Eye of Ugin.
In the meantime, I just foiled out Ancient Stirrings and pimped Pyroclasm. I give 0 fucks and so can you.
With Twin you turned infinity creatures sideways. I don't see why people are so up in arms about the ban when it was really Twin's fault that this format became Creatures: the Tappening.
Twin was the deck preventing this from happening. GBx is about as fair as it gets, and those fair decks preyed on Twin. Twin was like the Force of Will of Modern; holding back unfair decks while losing to fair decks. Now it's just people ignoring their opponents and seeing who can goldfish better. The instant you consider blocking, you lose.
>STILL no unbans
What is WotC actually thinking? Do they legitimately think sword of the meek, or ancestral vision, sfm or even fucking mind sculptor would warp the format that much?
I was on board until the end where he says he would like to see more bans.
Griselbrand, Tron, affinity and lantern.
Maybe he should just fuck off to standard then.
He's just talking out his ass at this point.
>we need more answers in modern
>let's nerf decks that are good
Yea, let's just have only mediocre decks in the format
No. They just wanted to make sure Tron and Eldrazi would warp the Pro Tour so they could hype BFZ+OGW up better. They literally said the ban is for the Pro Tour and these two decks are the only legitimate candidates for BFZ+OGW posterboys.
But anon, Splinter Twin requires you to turn your creature sideways to activate it's ability. And then turn all those infinite amount of creatures sideways to kill your opponent!
>not playing a deck that flexibly swings back and forth between the beatdown and control roles
>still playing piles that commit fully to always being one or the other no matter what
>not playing MYTHREATSAREALSOANSWERS.dec
That said, Faeries needs to get its shit together and Boros needs to come back from its 4+ year hiatus.
My best advice is to bite the bullet and grab Polluted Deltas right now.
You're going to want them, and they're not going to get any cheaper.
Trust me on this, you want the Deltas. The other UB lands won't hurt as much as ponying up for Deltas if you wait too long.
But anon Rhino is the cancer killing Standard.
>Boros needs to come back from its 4+ year hiatus.
meme it into reality with me
>afraid of the spicy hot meme
see you at GP Detroit, fukboi
You IDIOT! Tell me you didn't know THIS IS MAGIC!
I played a deck that contained a faerie other than v clique last night. I don't even think the deck I was playing was any good but I'm positive that if I was even a halfway competent player I could've 4-0d instead of 2-1d.
We got diffusion sliver from them, they're the greatest thing that's ever happened to magic
Lorwyn/Shadowmoor pretty much ruined faeries on its own when it came to the black side of the tribe excluding Bitterblossom.
The worst part of a return to Lorwynmoor is that Tribal was retired after Rise of the Eldrazi, which means the plane loses out on a rather iconic design quirk.
Neoslivers at least retain the "static abilities: the creature type" design even if it was casualized to only care about your own Slivers. 2nd generation Allies are an uncoordinated mess compared to the first wave.
Slivers lost the fact that they're supposed to be a giant hivemind. Like, that's the entire reason they were printed in the first place. The only difference between slivers and allies is one has static abilities, the other has ETBs.
Sliver lost a flavor note. They still universally possessed static abilities.
The BFZ-OGW allies are either creatures that have Ally tacked on for no reason and at best do a thing that's fringe relevant to the Ally strategy of going wide, or they're like Stonework Puma and exist only to trigger Rally effects or be tapped for Cohort abilities.
We've gone from Hada Freeblade in Worldwake to Expedition Envoy in BFZ. Elite Vanguard Ally is not what should be happening to the tribe, there should have been a second Freeblade put to print.
>cards get reprinted in Khans
>fuccgoi didn't buy them at dirt cheap prices
>blames the jew overlords who don't give a fuck about the secondary market
Step your jewjitsu up, always buy when in print.
>mfw I wasn't being sarcastic
>mfw I have several playsets of all the enemy fetches and they're appreciating in value like crazy
I'll offload them soon though, I expect a reprint
where I'll buy again when its value "tanks" for a few weeks before bouncing back again
I don't know anyone who would willingly play against Lantern Control.
>The LEAST Wizards could do if they wanna pretend they care about Modern is try to keep the costs down.
You reap what you sow
But seriously, people need to learn that you always buy what's in print.
In print cards are opened like crazy thanks to the draft scene, money cards get flipped back for credit towards more drafts and you the buyer get to reap the benefits of excess supply.
>tfw ready to buy a full set of RW manland back when no one knew what the RW manland would be
>tfw Needle Spires was leaked and it was the most garbage manland I have ever had the misfortune of seeing
Rosewater does it again!
>get excited for the BG land as it's my favorite color combination
>it's revealed to be a glorified typhoid rat
>then think surely the UR one will be great. Wizards will surely appease the twin players
>it's a weird shit land that dies to bolt if you ever activate it
>twin gets banned anyway lmao
You can't complain, you didn't get Needle Spires.
WHY WOULD RW, ONE OF THE MOST HYPER AGGRESSIVE COLOR COMBINATIONS IN THE GAME, WANT A 2/1 DOUBLE STRIKER FOR 2RW.
IT'S LIKE GHITU ENCAMPMENT'S RETARDED OBESE COUSIN. HE HITS FOR UP TO 4, SURE, BUT ONLY IF YOU WERE DUMB ENOUGH TO SIT UNDER HIS PUDGY LARD ASS. FUCKER CRIES IF YOU SO MUCH AS POKE HIM.
>it's a weird shit land that dies to bolt if you ever activate it
No. It doesn't. You just switch it back.
You don't get to whine about how bad cards are when you can't even comprehend them
I think you mean
>"could of been good in twin."
>switch it to a 4/1
>bolt it in response
>you trigger flip the thing a bunch to make it a 1/4 again
>on the stack it'll eventually go back to being a 4/1 and die with 3 damage on the stack
You can't be this stupid
>You just switch it back.
And after the bolt resolves on a 1/4 Fumarole, the very first activation of the P/T flip that started this whole mess resolves, giving you a 4/1 with 3 damage on it.
Guess what happens next.
It never fails to amuse me how many people are crying over the twin ban. MUH FAIR COMBO DECK! WHAT EVER WILL I DO.
Heres a thought: kiki-jiki still exists. Why not, I dunno, DO THAT.
This is not a huge surprise people. They banned the two most repressive decks in the format to make them a bit worse. The combos still exist, they are just slower and more fair than before. Theres an aggro meta right now because no one knows what to expect, and its smart to play a fast, proactive deck to prey on brews.
TLDR: calm the fuck down people. This is not a big deal, and when the dust settles I suspect you will see a better meta as all the decks that were being pushed down by twin and bloom have a chance to fight over the top spot again.
>five mana combo piece that dies to lightning bolt
>twin still playable
Now its too slow for tron and aggro decks and gives other combo decks more time to assemble their combos before you can combo off. Also makes ad nauseam a nearly unwinnable matchup because it's now impossible to race them even on the play.
To be fair, the kiki-jiki combo is much weaker that splinter twin. Because he is a 2/2 creature there is a lot more removal that outright destroy's him, where as the combo with twin required you to do four damage or outright kill the exarch.
Aggressively Swan Song the Ad Naus.
Twin with the combo boarded out wasn't really so much a control deck as it was a weird bloated tempo deck taking up the control -role- if only because it was too bloated to go fast and aggressive like other tempo decks could.
That looks like a fun one. Hardcast Emrakul that got tutored up? Yes, please.
Could also use some Mutavaults for additional trigger activators.
Its only 1 turn slower. And twin only won as fast as possible against decks that didnt have creature removal anyways. Calling it too slow for tron is a lot of hot nonsense, you either had 2-3 turns to play with or you lost to karn either way.
Twin was never a control deck.
Thats fair, but that was also the intent. There are a ton of decks that would have been fun and interesting, but they had no good ways to stop turn 3 exarch, tap your land, turn 4 twin, reliably. Not to mention the decks that could do that turn 2 and 3 off of a mana dork.
if you want to play dredge, it's a far better deck in legacy. i've never played dredgevine (or heard of craterhoof dredge), but i've played against and it's decent, seems pretty fun
Twin was a deck that ran a bunch of reactive spells to slow down the other player, then once they have enough resources to defend it they go for the kill. Seems like a control deck to me.
>Friends tell me a deck is awful
>They say it dies to aggro
>They say it's vulnerable to blue
>They say control will shut it down
>They say that even big green beasts will wreck it
>One month later it's currently 38-8 w/l
i fucking love children of korlis
They would just use pact of negation in response and in order to do that, you would have to wait until turn 6 to combo, which gives ad nauseam more than enough time to assemble the combo and protection for it.
It was hard to combo against ad nauseam before, but it was possible if you were on the play and they didn't have a god hand. Now its impossible because they will almost always have the combo by the time you can combo, meaning you would just lose on the spot if you try to combo. As for tron, it gives them four turns to find tron as opposed to three, which is huge, remanding karn on turn 4 means you can't combo on turn 5, and that means they will have access to ulamog.
"Perhaps you should learn to read cards first" was actually the polite way of saying "No. Your dumbshit 'combo' doesn't work because you're functionally illiterate."
Goblin Grenade targets a creature or player and does 5 damage to that target. The sacrificing a goblin (ie: Zada) is a cost and therefore doesn't trigger the radiate ability.
It's literally that same fucking moron that doesn't know anything about deck building, wtf.
There is tons of control builds in modern. Lantern being one. Grixis control being one with asshuge amount of removal and recursion to it. Learn to deckbuild asshat.
Lantern is a very soft and unorthodox control
Grixis is really really stretching the definition of control. It's just a midrange deck with recursion.
There is no legit control decks in modern. Fuck off
Standard is for faggots who play control.
Modern is for faggots who play aggro.
Legacy is for faggots who play memerange and tempo.
Vintage is for faggots who play with double sleeved Benjamin Franklins.
Control decks are king in a format where everyone tries to jam their linear strategies. Cards like Spell Snare and Mana Leak are alot more playable now that basically all the blue combo decks are dead.
Aggro decks are also quite easy to stabilize against with Bolts, Shackles and other tempo spells. The only real concern are cards like Thalia and Voice.
Plus, lets not forget one of the most overpowered pieces of shit that has been printed in recent years.
4x Coiling Oracle
2x Eternal Witness
3x Kitchen Finks
4x Noble Hierarch
4x Restoration Angel
3x Snapcaster Mage
2x Vendilion Clique
4x Mana Leak
4x Path to Exile
Vintage has no banlist, every card in the history of magic, but some are so good you can only have 1 copy in your deck, those are called restricted
Legacy uses the whole history of mtg as well but bans all the vintage restricted cards and some more besides
Modern only uses cards printed 8th edition and after, and of those only ones printed in a standard legal set
Standard is only cards printed recently, it rotates as time passes, cards graduate out of standard legality
Standard is for the latest sets and expansions
Modern is for all cards from 2003 up until recent sets that get added.
Legacy has a even wider cardpool and is for rich fags.
Get a load of this faggot. I bet you think DnT in legacy is also not a control deck. I bet you think 8rack is also combo. Grixis is stretching the definition? What is the fucking definition, there is none, but ones some retard came up with. Those same idiots are the one comparing MtG decks into circle of combo>control>aggro or other stupid shit that isn't remotely true. Every deck is unique and you can't come up with a new deck just with "yeah, this is control, so it wins tron as it's combo" or other unbelievable weird things I get to hear.
You create decks to battle decks-to-beat, they all have some vulnerabilities or so. That's why rogue decks work. MtG decks have so much archetype bleed, that you can't make it easy way on deck building. That's why I say that one guy is a fucking joke with his stupid assumptions.
Ok, I have dropped my spaghetti far enough, thanks and sorry.
>mfw i play burn
>mfw wotc would never ban nolt or guide
>mfw i got the deck before anything was over $10
I need to be convinced to build a modern deck. I've been playing on cockatrice and in proxy tournaments for about 3 years now, and I finally have a job where I can purchase a decent paper deck. I'm honestly just considering ignoring/quitting modern and going legacy. Is there one reason I shouldn't, now that money is less of an object?
All kidding aside though, this is the biggest troll card in the history of magic
I'd go with legacy if I were you, given of course there's people who play it near you.
But honestly, if you need to be convinced by anonymous posters on a mongolian cave drawing board, I'd reconsider why you want to play magic at all.
Other than that legacy is dead? No, but honestly is your local legacy scene active, because no point making a deck into format that nobody plays. Wouldn't really bother with modern, unless you really like top tier decks or you know you want to make a particular niche deck just for your own amusement.
Also, legacy isn't that exciting as casual playing. Some match ups just aren't fun to play.
Am I the only one that enjoys a good cube the most in magic? Draft is kinda ok, but lately sets doesn't feel like proper magic sets. More like, "who got the biggest creature on board?"
Still here fag?
Seems pretty unlikely senpai
It's expensive for what it does ($$$-wise), but my opponents who play it always seem to be having fun with it, so go for it I guess.
The UR land is pretty awful. if your opponent plays any type of damage-based removal, all they have to do is wait for you to attempt to switch its power and toughness then kill it in response.
>is ___ worth my money?
Oh GOD no. Faeries as a tribe tend to have lousy p/t for their cost, so regardless of how powerful and flexible their abilities are they absolutely can't race aggro, and they can't out-grind Tron.
tl;dr Bitterblossom got unbanned because even with it faeries are bottom of Tier 2 in the most supportive of local environments.
Get a load of this autistic nigger, some people actually leave the house and have to type on phones, im glad you put the effort in
DnT and 8Rack are Prison decks. They play the role of control, but do it by denying the opponent resources instead of gaining the advantage themselves.
Grixis Control in modern is actually a midrange deck, just like the UWR Geist decks that used to be popular.
These definitions are important because they inform both deckbuilding AND metagame decisions.
If you try to make a control deck in any given format without knowing how control actually works, you‘ll end up with a bad midrange deck. It will win some games, but it will also just lose to itself sometimes.
>What is Raging Ravine
>What is Stirring Wildwood
The point is you wasted 5 mana to essentially get stone-rained. The threat that it provides isn't good enough to justify the cost.
I've been playing a MUD-style deck for a year now and I love when people confuse it for a Tron deck and board Blood Moons thinking it will be an auto-win, a single Crumble to Dust won't cause me to scoop either
honestly I would love to see Ancient Tomb in Modern but I know that will never happen
Ah that's perfect. What are the most common to play? I only recently got into it with a friend, both with basic intro oath decks - i assume theres a list somewhere of what's banned
They could just stop making standard shit.
Instead of thinking their only choice is reprinting Counterspell or costing Cancel at 5UU, they should be supporting archetypes that haven't been supported enough or at all.
They have hordes of cards worth of untapped design space of shit they haven't touched and could push at the power-levels of NPH-RTR without breaking any format but they insist on acting like they have to have the same format every season with the only difference being wether 3 damage to face or creature cost R at instant speed or 2R at sorcery speed.
GBx cannot beat Tron, and Tron was kept down by Twin.
They fucked up their memerange predilection by not banning something from Tron as well.
And BW Eldrazi rapes Jund/Junk too, so they'll have to ban something from that once they've stopped selling OGW boxes.
Rhino itself is not the problem.
Everyone playing 4-color with Rhinos is the problem. It's just slightly different than everyone playing Ravager and everyone playing Jitte because you can pretend that swapping the Rhinos for big dumb dragons is a good idea and sometimes win because removal doesn't exist anymore.
Man Warriors are my pet tribe and even the recent support kind of bugs me since it shifted the colors out of where they made sense to WB. I did not understand that decision, just hampers Warrior decks.
>mfw when I bought a set of Grove of the Burnwillows before the price explosion
>mfw when I discovered I had a spare
>mfw I sold it shortly before the price hike
>in response bolt
>u can activate as many times as u want so it'll be a 1/4 when bolt resolves
>but when bolt resolves, the first activation resolves and it becomes a 4/1 with 3 DMG on it
Any type of budget White Weenie deck? I know there's Death and Taxes, but is there an alternative approach that will at least have some good winrate that is also pretty cheap? I have a Mono-white Kithkin deck that's ok but it still has some trouble.
I want to unleash my inner White Weenie.
I spat at my screen when reading the filename
Yeah, you're right.
Auriok champions' price is insane. I bet she's edh product reprint bait but it did not happen with Daxos/Karlov deck... me sad
Ranger of eos and archangel of thune despite the archangel not seeing play in every build
And if you want it more expensive you could still buy flagstones of trokair which spiked!
Luckily the staples of the deck means you can also play Martyr Proc, it's easy to upgrade from SS.
SS is aggro
Martyr Proc is control
Some deck placed higher in a ranking and played a playset, that's why. Some anon showed a printscreen or provided a link last thread, I didn't save it :/
The thing is if I had Auriok champion I would not been playing her MB right now with twin gone, it's much important to get those soul warden's out fast to gain as much life as possible.
I still want to get them though
A competitive deck wants broad answers rather than narrow. Things like Abrupt Decay and Maelstrom Pulse are better than something that reads "destroy target red or black permanent."
The really powerful ones aren't, like chill, dread of night, havoc, insight, the circles of protection, perish. Basically all the uncommons from tempest. The game is way more fun when you can cast huge, swingy effects.
Basically, they make the game more fun because you can come back from behind, and when you're ahead you have to really play around things.
Except they don't do that. "Black creatures can't attack". "Destroy all green creatures". "All red spells cost 2 more to cast."
Good color hosers have good effects, not just the current narrow removal spell ones.
fun is subjective don't use that as your arguement, they're also the definition of linear. You have one colour directly turning off the game for another colour. There's no skill to that.
Also accepting that the format is heavily sideboard oriented doesn't mean we should print more cards that allow that. We need more broad cards that do a lot of different things
Yup. OGW is trash besides pic related. Just beacuse i want to try some convoluted inverter plus bojuka bog plus lab maniac.
>standard has been dead since innistrad block rotated
>i stopped playing modern when they banned deathrite shaman
>am i an eternal player yet?
Linear is a deck with a single minded way to win, like storm or boggles where there isn't a backup plan.
The skill you test when you play with color hosers is how to play around things. If they have a compost out, is it worth casting your spells. Do you bring in disenchants in monored. It actually makes the decisions a lot more interesting.
Taddock Geeg 1W
Creature and planeswalker cards with CMC 4+ can't be played.
Blue Instant U
Target nonbasic land is an island until the beggining of your next upkeep.
Black Enchantment 1B
Whenever a nonbasic land taps for mana it's controler loses life equal to the ammount of mana it produced.
Red Enchantment R
Whenever a creure comes into play under an opponent's control it deals 1 damage it it.
At the beggining of your upkeep red enchantment deals 2 damage to you.
Song of the Dryads.
This is a real card, google it!
>Tron was kept down by Twin
>People actually believe this
As a Tron and ex-Twin player, people who say this are fucking stupid. Post board with 4x rending volley and 2x spellskite, the matchup is actually tron favored, about 55/45
Literally nobody calls it Eldrazi Control. It's just Eldrazi. Sounds like one of those stupid names mtgtop8 would use.
No seriously their names are fucking awful. Bogles was like "Aura Hexproof" and UR Twin was "Twin Exarch". Literally nobody on earth uses these names.
It seems like in the past month or two, some Jews have been buying out entire stocks of cards.
I'm tired of seeing price histories where cards double in price overnight and then loiter near where they peaked due to price memory.
Now we don't even have core sets to reprint oddball cards, and half of the shit can't be reprinted because they're "too strong for standard" in this world where llanowar elves and rampant growth are "too strong for standard"
While I am wholly supportive of ridiculously complex exclusionary jargon like "Boggles" and just plain "Eldrazi" and by extension "Fetchland" and "Manland" or calling creatures "Bear" or "Grey Ogre", I feel that for the better of the game the more descriptive deck names should dominate.
"Aura Hexproof" really should be the deck name. It is the most descriptive. "Exarch Twin is more descriptive than "UR Twin", "UR Exarch Twin" even more so. Likewise "Eldrazi Control" and "Eldrazi Ramp" are more evocative than just plain "Eldrazi".
Sure, you can say your deck is "Boros" and anybody in the know immediately assumes it's a R/W Aggro deck, but I do think we should call it "R/W Aggro" or at the very least "Boros Aggro" or even better "R/W Landfall Aggro".
People have realized Magic is an unregulated economy with a surplus of stupid people who pay $100+ for pieces of cardboard.
So now there's a bunch of non-player speculators cleaning MKM and TCG, and stores are trying to ride the wave by correcting prices way faster just so they aren't left behind.
In an ideal world experienced players would use shorthand with other experienced players and change their language when speaking to less experienced players. Like not calling Dark Confidant "Bob" around new players.
Unfortunately everyone wants to look like a big-dick know-it-all and new players are just confused all the time. Because they're always asking questions and everyone's eager to answer them to sound smart.
Any delverbros in here?
Need some inputs on my list
Planning on going temur when I get the lands for it but I want to rep U/R in the meantime
>pic semi-related, would add for that sweet promo art if I had one
Visions was excellent too
Tempest Block still had many of the most talented artists
Cryptic and Clique are rather ambitious, I would cut those in favor for cheaper cards, I don't usually get to UUU1 with my list before the game is almost over, granted I run 16 lands. I don't think it's feasible to be casting that consistently on t4. When you get the money a playset of Remand is pretty much a staple as well.
My list certainly isn't a stock list, but I'm in pure U/R so I can have slots for my janky cards.
Probably. Decknames should be designated by some combination of their color, archetype, key cards/mechanics, and if some generic aggro/control sort of deck then the two-blocks they were in. Using my example I tell people in ZEN-SOM Standard I played Boros Aggro; it would be more useful to new players to tell them I played R/W Landfall Aggro. Or someone played W/U Control with Stoneforge Mystic and Squadron Hawks instead of Cawblade.
See, it's easier for people to hate things when it is condensed down to a name. Affinity, Cawblade, Valakut, Jace, Faeries, Jund, fucking plain old BLUE. I think a lot of the hate in this game is unfounded and people just jump on the hate-bandwagon. I met a guy who hated Jace, Mind Sculptor except he had never fucking played with or against one - I asked him. I think to this day he still hasn't. I met a guy who just refused to play against anybody playing Jund even though he didn't have any idea WHY Jund is so degenerate - he couldn't describe to me the philosophy behind the deck. And new players are prone to think it's okay to dislike something just because the pros say so.
So, being in Modern General I'll just say this, people actually hated Living End at my store. Not because it was me who played it, but just hate the deck. The found it easier to hate it than pack board hate for it. Sure, it's sometimes just not wise to pack your sideboard with such narrow graveyard hate but come on. I actually stopped playing it because I saw that kids were parroting the morons in their hate even when initially they had a laugh getting beat up by stupid crap creatures.
So I had most of the stuff to build BW Memedrazi. I traded for the rest and am now watching the pieces skyrocket in price.
I feel like I should sell it and invest in something else. Or pay more bills. Am I retarded for wanting to sell a high-tier deck? I already have Burn and am working on the fine details in playing it.
I'm not denying names like Fruit Loops and Cephalid Breakfast are fucking incredible for the culture of the game. But I'm willing to sacrifice minor bit of lingo if it means newer players aren't overwhelmed by all the stuff in the game and there's just too many questions to answer.
I'm running Black/White modern allies with a splash of green,
I know it's not a great archetype, but I'm just looking for feedback on the decklist.
It's not going to win anything more than a local tournament if I'm lucky, but Allies are a fun tribe, and I just want a fun interactive deck.
I wish Needle Spires came into play untapped. Straight up Plateau with a manland attached to it without the basic land types.
Go for it Wizards. Nobody fucking plays Plateau anyways, this wouldn't change that and Plateau will still get played over it because of the basic land types. Go ahead, give Modern Burn a manland it could use, just take it completely over the top in power. Aside from the implications in Burn I think nobody would have complained about it aside from their bullshit crying about loss of symmetry within the cycle.
Sweet, loving the squelch. Snapback is cool as well.
The cryptic and vendillion were kinda tossed in b/c dat value, I found that games lasted to the point where I was effectively flooded (unless I got a cantrip chain, that feel is great)
I may go 19, maybe even less. I don't think I could pull off 16 though, so you have my blessing sir (I have a jeskass that runs 16 so I can see how it'd work)
Remands are an excellent idea to add (or to replace the manaleaks with) I'm just too poor atm
Anyone else have thoughts on the Cryptic/Vendillion in U/R Delver?
>it's only one turn slower
>literally so fucking idiotic he thinks you'll always get the land drop on turn 5 and also have the Kiki-Jiki as well, despite needing an entire extra card that has to be conjured out of the fucking aether
You're bad at Magic, you're bad at thinking, and I fucking hate you, you mongoloid piece of shit.
I would put 4 in burn and be an unstoppable burning machine.
All I really wanted was Barbarian Ring reprinted, but I'll take a manland + whitecleave cliffs in a heartbeat
>tfw zoo probably still wouldn't use it
I was thinking of Lantern Scout. It's one of the few new allies who are pretty reasonably costed and give a good effect. Running some might be good. I could cut out a couple Kalastria's maybe.
I've heard about that, with excavator. Seems pretty neat, kinda like Living End I guess but it mills them.
Beatdown is sweet but ally mill gets a few style points (rip emrakul tho)
When I look at the new cycle of manlands I wonder whether Wizards knew it was designing manlands in Worldwake that were actually good in traditional archetypes of those colors (R/G - typically stompy; W/U - typically control; R/B - typically aggro, bad card but appropriate for the role; U/B - typically control; W/G - typically stompy).
Really, what were they thinking when they designed these new ones. At first glance none of those cards seems to be designed to do what those color archetypes typically want. I'll admit the U/G one makes some amount of sense given that those sorts of decks want to play Instants and it having hexproof means you can commit to a block safely and have some mana available for countermagic for their play.
Naming conventions in today's Magic are godawful regardless of any website. Everything has to be analyzed, scrutinized and simplified to death, which leads to awesome decknames such as:
I long for the day where decks had inventive names like Coco Puffs, The Rock or Catfish.
I actually sorta like the UR one, just because it's pretty flavorful.
Agreed tho I don't know what they were thinking (become immense+doublestrike too op)
The U/G one is nice in standard imo
Standard is the most common but it's also the most boring
Modern is the more common among the more competitive neckbeards who thumb their noses at the "standard kiddies" but Modern is the worst format that has ever existed right now, it's garbage in its purest form
Legacy is probably the "best" but it's not something you can play without either having been in the Magic scene forever and being in possession of the important cards, or buying counterfeit Chinese cards (or playing with non-autists who don't care if you use proxies)
I recommend Pauper as it's the cheapest way to actually have fun instead of just wanting to kill yourself for playing this horrible card game
Given how some of the best happen to be female I want to make some kind of CoCo Knights deck and call it Lady's Knight
So, retard as you are, you think having a 70/30 game, then a 55/45 game, then possibly another 55/45 makes it a good matchup (i.e. >50% chance to win the round)?
Do you not know how math works or what
All it takes is one of the least invested hoarders cashing out for a card's bubble to pop.
For the whole game's bubble to pop, however, every fetchland, shockland, and modern staple (4x ofs in tier 1 decks no "staples" like Auriok Champion) not in the hands of hoarders/stores would have to enter the market at the same time, which is more unlikely.
I'm fine with some shards, but Sultai/Temur still make me lose my shit
BUG and RUG are fucking perfectly easy to pronounce, and far more evocative for someone who doesn't know Tarkir intimately to grok
There is no benefit to using Sultai/Temur and whenever I hear someone using the names I will mock them
People are mindless cattle, it's universal mate. It's not just confined to Magic
People will find a way to disappoint you somehow, sometimes in so inventive manners it'll be downright impressive
More delverbro opinions would be appreciated, help make delver great again
What shitty speculation caused this spike this time? Emeria control? Jeskai midrange?
>Legacy is probably the "best" but it's not something you can play without either having been in the Magic scene forever and being in possession of the important cards, or buying counterfeit Chinese cards (or playing with non-autists who don't care if you use proxies)
>Being too poor to drop $1500 on your hobby as a one-time investment
Go learn crochet or something. Magic is pretty cheap compared to other hobbies like skiing or cars or RCs or mountain biking or traveling or computers or music or even tabletop wargaming.
No, that honor goes to Trading Post.
A deck built around Trading Post is ridiculous. It's like they condensed all the irritation caused by a deck like Eggs into a single card. Problem is, Trading Post isn't that great and doesn't interact with the opponent.
Went 2-2 with my Burn deck tonight
>Lost against Tron round 1, not much that I could have done just bad luck with top decks
>Beat a kid using Esper control round 2, didn't seem too well built and he didn't seem like a good pilot, had no real sb plan for burn
>Lost against Kiki-chord round 3, never faced it so I made a few mistakes that I didn't know about, took out Rending volleys already so my answers were a bit limited. Made a mistake with playing two Eidolons when I shouldn't have and couldn't cast anything the following turn
>Beat Jund round 4, very good sequencing and top decks with not much going on for my opponent
Could someone have a look at my brew? I figure the meta has slowed down with the loss of twin, so it might be the time to try something a little janky/pillowfort-ish.
quick question: playing merfolk against mono-g devotion. he utopia sprawls one of his forests, and on my turn i spreading seas'd that forest. he then proceeded to move the sprawl to another forest, which i thought the sprawl would just die who was right?
>Standard players get cucked by rotation
>Modern players raped by speculates
>Legacy players locked in a basement by the reserved list
>EDH players trapped on the short bus
>Pauper master race lives happy and free
Stormchaser Mage and Wandering Fumarole are actually fucking awesome in Delver, I 5-0'd last night and Fumarole acts as a Karn killer, Stormchaser survives all of the Pyroclasms everybody boards in against me too
>looks through his bin of draft chaff from years ago
>finds 16 Wall of Omens
How many Stormchasers you run?
With or without Swiftspear?
I wanna pick up that manland, hope it doesn't cost too much, it looks pretty and I want to see how many times I can proc its ability before someone calls a judge
Care to share your list?
Imma test mine on xmage/cockatrice before taking it to my lgs and see how it fares, definitely very fun. Delver feels like aggro and control made steamy love.
Head's up, the tourney I went to was Tron infested with shit tons of Merfolk on the side so this list was heavily changed just to shit on those decks
I'd change almost half the cards outta here but, the creature base I'd keep the same
Thank you broski
18 lands, and that other guy ran 16, maybe I need to lower my landcount.. what do you think?
It would free up space for a sweet card or 2, I may go 19 to stay on the safe side but I have been getting flooded with 20..
Love the single twisted image for tricks and a cantrip, really neat card.
Vandalblast I've never seen before, but damn thats a fine artifact hate; single target or a shatterstorm, better than shattering spree in multicolor, gonna have to pick one up (using smashs atm)
I'm guessing the spacial contortion is for killing game 2 firewalkers vs burn as well as etched champion, AND it has sweet, sweet stormchaser tech
Echoing truths is strong, can stop a kiki+resto angel combo
And I see you have Jace, Many Text Lines. He's a baller and a fun as fuck card, I hope you -8'd one of the tron players
Guess that's what I get for not typing it out in full. To be honest, Hermit/Plaguelord quickly got outclassed by powercreep. Still awesome cards though, as I own foil playsets of both from back when Extended was a thing.