Depends on the setting, but in my experience, yes, and they should.
I've always done Paladins as people who fight for an ideal or a purpose. They're naturally people of strong conviction, and most Paladins I have played have been passionate people. They draw on their emotions for strength, so of course they love, and they love very strongly.
>>45022757 Yeah. I mean, even if their knightly orders or whatever forbid it for some odd religious reason, it won't stop the paladins from experiencing those emotions regardless. Unless magic is applied in some way to prevent it, I suppose.
>>45023961 If it was really her destiny then she wouldn't go out like a bitch. Besides, you aren't going to know what someone might do, only what they have done. Evil is evil and it is the duty of paladins to smite it.
>>45023742 Smiting evil directly isn't always the most effective way to deal with evil. Aside from the obvious outcome of producing little paladins to grow up to smite more evil, assuming that such compatibility is present, copulation has other potential benefits for the side of Good.
>>45022757 Always. I'd say they're the type to love too easy and too fiercely, even. But they're not retarded loser Jedi or something.
I mean, I'd HOPE they can love, otherwise they'd be inhuman and pretty unpleasant. Got a Paladin in my game, one don't know she is one and never will, reincarnation of some famous actor, and she's head over heels for this kid she met in a war shelter. He even helped her learn how to read and write. Never been happier. Other PCs joke they're gonna get married after their last little spat resolved with them closer than ever.
But only if by some miracle she survives her appointed time of sacrifice and death.
>>45023742 Reminder that even the gods have to take breaks and fuck around (Sometimes literally, sometimes not) and no mortal paladin can truly claim to have greater physical or mental fortitude than the gods.
>Welcome to the Sisterhood, Christina. This will be the last time you will be referred to by that name. Follow me. >You've been under observation for some time, though I suspect you know that already, don't you? The Watchers are never very subtle. No, please don't talk, your vows haven't been superceded yet. They arent supposed to be subtle, you know. The Watchers. All that talk around the town, the blacksmith who thinks he's being Watched? A load of rubbish. You either know you're being Watched or you're not. If the Brothers assigned to observe you don't think you've noticed them then they'll drop your case straight away. You're not pereptive enough for the order. >Now Christina, you obviously know what you're being Watched for? Let's not waste each other's time. We need fighters, desperately. You've always been devout, and your training will be taken care of by The Brothers. Your faith will continue to be nurtured by The Sisters. We want you to become a Paladin in Our Lord's service. >You don't have much time to think it over, I'm afraid. You're almost too old to begin the training already. No speaking, remember, just nod or shake. Do you want to become a Paladin and serve as our Lord's arm where he cannot or will not reach? Knowing the sacrifices you must make, will you take up this burden and save us all? >Good. Let me Mark you for the ritual. It's just cedar ash. There we are. Thus, I absolve you of your vows. You may speak. You may look another in the eye. You may leave the Abbey. You will no longer be Christina. You will be a nameless force of good and light in this world. Come. We must begin at once.
>>45024390 >>Where are w- *Cough* >Don't try to speak too much dear. It's been too long. We'll teach you exercises for that again. Hurry up girl, you have to be sanctified. The Matriarchs are already preparing the ritual. >Well, here we are. Once you step through the door, your purification will begin. >There is one thing you don't know about becoming a Paladin, Initiate. Now that you have been Marked, you cannot love again. >>What do you *cough* mean? I'm not allowed *wheeze* to marry? I'm only 11 anyway! >Allowed? Oh child, no. You may marry if you wish. But you cannot love. The cedar on your forehead has taken your ability to feel love. You can marry, but if you find your husband with forbidden texts, nothing will stop you from smiting him. You can give birth and raise a family, but when the call comes, it will be as easy to leave them as it would be a stray cat. The peole who raised you - well, that's how you consider them now, isn't it? Not your parents. Just caregivers. The ash works fast. >You will be a force for our Lord to work through. Nothing else. No distractions. >Now step through the door and begin your journey.
>>45024020 >Kill them all, let God sift through their paperwork This is a slippery slope to Lawful stupid with the auto-smite button. I've seen characters become jaded and make Goodness an impossible ideal. It's almost sad when they're stripped of their powers.
Look, the whole worthless fear over Paladins in love is all a dumbass self-fulfilling prophecy. And also because people want to see heroes fail and die horribly and pointlessly.
It's an easy fix. Get a Bard. Stern one. Severe outfit. Tell the Paladin the Bard will teach them about love. When the Paladin opens their mouth to ask a question, Bard slaps the SHIT out of them. One good solid backhand to the face. Tells them, "Don't act dumb."
Paladin opens their mouth, WHAMMO, another slap, thrice as hard. Tell them, finger jabbed right into their chest, "DON'T. ACT. DUMB."
There, all set. Paladin won't be able to shake it from their mind whenever they start to spew their gummi worms all over the table agonizing over love this, duty that. Stupid fucks. Gotta train them like dogs these days just to make them act human. Idiots all worried about 'falling' and 'the right thing' when a Wizard can decide to just fart the wrong way and obliterate the Paladin, the Bard, and half of Wyoming just to see what it smells like.
I don't really like my paladins loving anyone, and the main reason for that is that I consider them something like a holy juggernaut. They have a path they are to follow, they have a duty to fulfill, and nothing will force them to leave that path or forsake that duty until the day they are finally brought down. You don't get to put down your sword in a calling like this.
Love is dangerous because it distracts, it hurts, it weakens. In a life where you keep moving ever onward, there's no settling down. A lover adventuring alongside you is only asking for even more bitter tears. It's just better to let it all go, for your own sake.
>>45022757 Yes. But then DMs with magical realms wind up getting them embroiled in harem anime subplots. I just wanted to show the half-orc girl back home that the world had love in it. NOT wind up leading around a harem of the most dangerous beings in all existence, and nearly causing an all out war between our allies once they found out about her.
Well, obviously. Look, assuming D&D, a Paladin is a fighter. That means he already has a great body. He has high Charisma, too, which means he looks REALLY good, or - depending on how you look at it - he's extremely charming in either the aw-shucks farmboy way, or the 'muscular angel about to do something righteous smiting way'.
You know that painting where Michael is stepping on Satan's throat, about to give him the beat down? Yeah, it's like that. Oh, and he's Lawful Good too, which means you KNOW you can trust him.
I've actually run a campaign where the players were ALL knights, and the group had an on-and-off relationship with a fivesome of magical songstresses. (It's a long story, and I don't want to repeat myself.)
The bottom line is, even if someone like that is sworn to chastity, women are just going to WANT HIM MORE. Regardless of what people say about girls wanting bad boys, it's usually because their idea of 'good boys' are beta orbiters: When you have some who unironically waded through dragon fire to engage in heroic combat with a dark serpent, that gets girls more turned on than anything.
In fact, I would argue that it's a good idea for them to be in a wholesome, fulfilling relationship. Pendragon has entire rules about Love and Amor. (I still think Blood & Lust/The Adventure of the Heart Blade is a great adventure, so sue me.)
Hell, I've personally thought that - in real life - Christian and Catholic priests should ideally be married before they're eligible to be ordained.
>>45022757 No, you put aside everything for your cause. When you make your oath, whether it be before a king, an angel, or just in the silence of your own heart, you throw aside your humanity to become the sword of justice.
>>45027738 >Hell, I've personally thought that - in real life - Christian and Catholic priests should ideally be married before they're eligible to be ordained. That's retarded. The entire point is that you're sacrificing worldly pleasure and descendants in order to focus on being a better shepherd. A lot of people fail at this because they just understand it as a rule instead of something that was meant to help you.
>>45028378 Which has not been relevant for a long time since all the money is funneled to Rome anyway. The rule persists as a form of asceticism. Did you know that we also don't have inquisitions and crusades anymore?
>>45028378 That meme gets regurgitated over and over and it doesn't begin making sense with any iteration. Church property is corporate property. Your employer is not compelled to allow your child or spouse to inherit your job or your office either.
>>45023910 That is the easy path. A paladin should not kill unless necessary to prevent greater evil. It may be hard, and it will bite you in the ass, but paladins should do what is right, not what is easy. An argument could be made that I've romanticized the good/evil spectrum, but paladins are equally romanticized in nature
>>45028088 What? Nah, man, he was clearly driven by empathy for the others. If he was a sociopath he would've saved his son or none at all, depending on his personal attachment to his son/ the benefits from having a child.
Yeah as long as it's consensual and love doesn't impede their goals and duties. And a smart paladin takes precautions to not let those they love be used as bait or come under threat at all. My paladin has a family which few know about.
You know how Hawkeye had his family in the second Avengers movie? Like that. Hell not a single BBEG we've met has come close to finding out about them.
>The paladin fell and abandoned her path of righteousness for life of debauchery and wordly pleasures >The youngster is taken under wing of local paladin order as the woman is expelled in disgrace >Some time later, the reformed anti-paladin recognizes her in as a drunken whore in a harbor tavern >He takes her hand and offers her a spare blade >He is at her side as she atones for her fall. >He remains at her side as they travel the land, fighting wicked and protecting the weak.
Paladins are based heavily on Romantic knightly protagonists, more so on the Arthurian ones than the actual Twelve Peers, and they had plenty of love going on. In fact many such stories are essentially just very long dramatic courtships.
He'll Breunor had the first legit tsundere I can recall.
>>45028634 That's not how that works. Completely normal functional humans experience extreme choice paralysis and tend to default to ultimately more selfish/tribal behaviour when presented with a difficult moral dilemma - especially when it involves their children (or a close family member.)
See: those classic "push the fat guy in front of the train to save two people (and other variants)" thought experiments.
>>45027738 >I've actually run a campaign where the players were ALL knights, and the group had an on-and-off relationship with a fivesome of magical songstresses. (It's a long story, and I don't want to repeat myself.) But I want you to repeat yourself.
>>45027738 >Hell, I've personally thought that - in real life - Christian and Catholic priests should ideally be married before they're eligible to be ordained. In Protestant churches, it's sort of a long-standing meme that congregations don't trust pastors who aren't married.
>>45036545 >>45036606 All of these and also it's to free them from conflicting duties. As a priest, your duty is to the salvation of all humanity, but if you are a husband and father you must also see to the welfare of your family. There will be situations where there is no good outcome.
>>45036740 >As a priest, your duty is to the salvation of all humanity This is kind of an important part. It's downplayed, but every Catholic priest is technically on a mission to save the world. You're supposed to give up anything that would get in the way of this.
In my setting, most Paladins love, marry, and have children like everyone else. They take up a small territory which they take guardianship of and protect it from internal and external threats.
Paladins that eschew relationships with others become wandering knights, constantly seeking out ever greater evil and challenging it where it lies. These are in the extreme minority, partly because it's almost insane and partly because of the high death rate.
The former tend to be of much less power than the latter, because they're challenged by lesser foes and do not face battle as often.
>>45036606 Except that for much of Catholicism's history, the richest people in europe were priests. Perhaps not laypriests, but definitely cardinals and such. And while there may not have been a papist dynasty, there were factions in the church that existed either mostly or entirely along bloodlines. For examples of both you need look no further than Borja.
>>45038211 >Oh sir Paladin, can we ever be together? I love you! >And I love you too! In fact, I love the whole world, and life! >...So is that romantic love, or is that just- >I love the whole world! No exceptions!
>>45038757 >I love you, pretty barmaid! >I love you, married lady! >I love you, old crone! >I love you, ugly barman! >I love you, mercenary who threw me out of that bar! >I love you, horrid dragon burning this town! >I love you, kolbold minions of that dragon trying to skewer me! >I love you, foppish doctor trying to sew me back together! >I love you, gravedigger taking me to my place of rest!
Is there some horrible love potion gone wrong going on here?
>>45039232 You talk to him when he's waiting for the bus, making uncomfortable small talk You bring him lunch when you notice he hasn't eaten that day You look at him in the distance, wistfully thinking him You bring him an umbrella when it's raining and he forgot his own You give them expensive gifts to the couple with warm letters revealing the tip of your feelings and how you love how they live as a wonderful couple
If you want an hour-long read, google the Ring Theory of Star Wars. If you don't, basically the prequels purposely mirror and simultaneously subvert many themes and cinematic elements from the original trilogy.
Essentially, given similar circumstances, Luke and Anakin make opposing decisions and their good/evil decisions are what turn them into the people the become.
>>45043430 ...Okay, I'll allow it. But if I throw in a strained marriage or an overworked brothel, you're obliged to take action, okay? And sometimes it's going to cause problems, like encouraging a princess to leave an arranged marriage to be with the stableboy.
Is said Paladin a Dwarf? -Then of course they will love. And love they will! A proper Dwarf's Beard attracts the Lady Dwarves like flues to honey. A Paladin Dwarf's Beard attracts even the non-Dwarf Ladies.
Is said Paladin a non-Dwarf? -Then they may possibly love.
Is said Paladin an Elf? -Haha! Just kidding. Elves are too fragile and weak to be a Paladin. Not like Dwarves at all.
Is said Paladin a Human? -Then they will most likely love.
Is said Paladin a Gnome? -Just kidding, I've never heard of a Gnome Paladin.
Same for Halfing Paladins.
Is said Paladin a Half-Orc/Full Orc? -No. No love at all. Doubly so if his Charisma score is low.
>>45043553 >like encouraging a princess to leave an arranged marriage to be with the stableboy. You could at least make the person the princess is really in love with actually interesting. Stable boy is just, bad.
>>45043553 If that is what the princess truly wants that so be it, but the paladin would also likely preach about true love, and warn about flightiness that it's not the real love [LOVE GOD] wants you to experience.
>>45043599 I was just making up a generic example. How about her bodyguard?
>>45043609 That's true, and there have been real examples of true love being found in an arranged marriage, but if the arranged marriage is already unhappy, then you should encourage her to follow love and find happiness.
The scenarios I'm making up are mostly focused around a lack of love or romance, or institutions and social constructs that restrict the freedom of love - which is what your paladin is mostly about, right?
>>45043683 Depends on the exact qualities of the bodyguard and the history between them and their charge.
Ideally I'd prefer said bodyguard having basically been raised into the position at the same time the princess was growing up. Get the sort of lifelong servant thing going on that is basically entirely loyal to the princess and nobody else.
>>45043683 True that. But instead of "go get the stable boy/bodyguard" it would be more of encouraging finding your own lover, declaring that the arranged marriage isn't right either to those who wish to force it upon the princess. Follow your heart, but remember to temper your judgement and to think deeply about it.
>>45043765 Still the >Follow your heart, but remember to temper your judgement and to think deeply about it. then. Be sure he's the one. I would also assume said love god could be somewhat family-oriented too, thus giving grounds for the paladin order to also be more mediators in family disputes like this.
>>45043737 That's basically what I was going for, yes. Maybe the bodyguard already cares for the princess deeply, but doesn't show his feelings due to his position, and she's unaware of them even as she complains about her unhappy marriage and how she wishes she could be with someone who loves her. >>45043765 Yes, that's what I was implying.
>>45043823 Well, love and romance is usually kept separate from family and domesticity, at least in ancient religions. Hera and Aphrodite and all that. I assume it would be the same for fantasy as well.
But at this point it's honestly starting to sound more cleric-like than paladin-like, you know? Not exactly a warrior of love. Admittedly it's hard to think up more martial scenarios when love is involved, and a paladin can be laid back and more diplomatic, but I'd still question why a paladin and not a cleric.
>>45043918 The original idea of "Warrior of Love" honestly would be more fitting to a situation where >an ancient evil has arisen and most warriors/fighters find more strength from their god/goddess, and play to their ideals.
That or really they are empowered by something like Sune to be more like guardsmen to places of her power.
>>45026569 I'm in the same boat. Aribeth falling, and all the damage she caused can be laid at the feet of the rat-fucker shitlord that is Nasher after he threw her husband to a bloodthirsty mob to save his own ass from his political owners in Luskan.
And now, in Neverwinter Online, Aribeth's name is still cursed by the people and is remembered as a traitor foe seeking vengeance on Nasher, whos remembered as some great and goodly leader, rather than a cowardly piece of filth willing to sacrifice the innocent for his own safety.
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