>Zoo is better, they said.
>Stompy is for poor people, they said.
This is my turn 4. Had mana acceleration thanks to him using 3 Paths already. My board was empty heading into this turn. Things like this happen all the time. Win outta nowhere.
>keep hearing modern players say Twin ban was good because it'll give a lot of new decks room
>look at SCG decklists
>only temur delver is new and improved
>pretty much only aggro tournament
>tons of decks are a lot weaker and the list of viable decks is smaller
Is that why mine were just bought out on TCG?
Here's the top 16
Is this the new "diverse" meta?
>keep hearing modern players say Twin ban was good because it'll give a lot of new decks room
Literally no modern players said that. Wizards said that. It was pretty much universally agreed that the Twin ban was a dumb move.
I'm extremely buttblasted that Wizards doesn't reprint cards like these in supplemental products more often (i.e. fucking at all). At least we're getting Geist in the new Duel Deck, but those things should be loaded with cards like these instead of the scraps we get.
Threadly reminder to get your glittering wishes and life from the loams before they spike
I play Bogles, and I was thinking picking up burn, since I need some color variety in my life.
Am I a faggot?
Its one of those decks that has free wins but also free losses. You crush most aggro decks so it might be a good choice for this meta. Its also not that consistant and you rely heavily on your Sideboard.
Its very skill intensive yet doesnt reward skilled play quite as hard as say, Lantern Control, and is generally less good
>Will an unjust ban ever be removed
Considering every card they've unbanned has proceeded to have little to no impact on the Modern metagame which SHOULD throw into doubt the validity of the rest of the original ban list, I think I can safely say that no, nothing worthwhile ever comes off the ban list.
Yes but literally every other deck was fucking aggro
It would buff Temur delver (who knows really if its even good) but would be much better for stuff like Jeskai control which is now almost useless
No im not, I know its good, however it is strictly worse than Ponder and brainstorm.
With shitty counterspells, bad cantrips, I see no reason to play blue in modern at all when I could play burn, Elves or fish
Between the three of those cantrips, none are strictly anything over the others. Without fetches, Brainstorm is the worst. If 1 of your top 3 is good and the other 2 are garbage, Ponder is the worst. Preordain offers less card selection, but ensures things keep rolling along. There's no Brainstorm/Ponder lock.
>first major tournament after surprising ban
>thinking everyone won't just go straight to their favorite aggro deck
>thinking the meta will have already stabilized back into linear/midrange/urx sort of control
ITT you're all dumb
Have you considered that perhaps the likelihood of low impact is _the reason_ they were unbanned? You can't take that as evidence that the rest of the banlist will also have a low impact on the metagame.
Well then, I should say "also a white nigger". Twin played the control role in the vast majority of its matchups. If you don't know what I mean go read Mike Flores' "who's the beatdown?" You may find it helps your magic playing. I said "urx sort of control" as a shorthand way of saying "urx decks that play the control role in the majority of matchups." If you don't understand that it means you didn't understand the pre-twin-ban meta. Thinking the new meta would immediately settle into similar pillars is silly too. And that was my point.
>"apexzozzle I was just trolling you y so butt hurt kek?"
I know it's coming. I'll wait.
Ps you're a white nigger.
I think you asked this last thread and I think the unanimous agreement was no. Too much mana to pump for a bad 2/1 creature in the objectively worst modern colors ignoring burn, who never wants to hit 4 mana anyways.
>claiming your statement has a secondary and implicit meaning that wasnt straight up said
>expecting other people to claim they were acting retarded via backtracking statements
Well, okay little buddy. I guess you can have your cute lil opinion that twin was a control deck. I hope grade 8 treats you well
Seriously just look up "who's the beatdown" by Mike Flores. It's a very well written article and is still highly relevant despite its age. I am certain you will find it enlightening.
It can win in several different ways.
>gifts for burial+iona/elesh
>natural going off with ascendancy
>gifts into fatestitcher life flame-jab with ascendancy+one other guy/ascendancy (infinite combo by recurring loam with the ascendancy loots)
>snapcaster beats+bolt+flame jab recursion.
Has a lot of variety but still boring as fuck.
If that's the case then why didn't you understand the point I was making? I suppose I didn't lay it out explicitly in my first post but even a modicum of critical thinking would get you to my point.
I thought Ad Nauseam would be the new tier 1 combo deck with Tron's rise. I'll agree that SCG Atlanta was not a good expression of the upcoming metagame but it certainly was an eye-opener. Is burn about to spike to a $800 deck?
>mfw built Burn last summer for around $260
>Now its reaching $800+
My little deck is all grown up now ;_;
Pick up Eidolons if you haven't already, they're due for a spike
I got 2 eidolons from the last pre release. One of them is a foil one. Should I wait a little longer to sell them or should I sell them now (I'm not interested on playing burn at all)
Wait till I do a buyout
Please, didn't you over analyze the way I implied that you were wrong about your original points? You should read some articles on how to argue better, and consider the fact that your the apexzozzle here not me
Pre spoiler of mm2015 was the best time to build a burn deck. Got my goblin guides 4$ each long time ago in the zendikar era and my friend built a burn deck before mm2015 was spoiled and bought the goblin guides in 10$ each.
Now people who want to get in the format are pretty screwed.
Wizards dont care. They only care that suppliers buy their products. Once they buy their products and get the money, its not their problem anymore. They only focus on standard. Dunno how your standard enviroment is in your area, but in my lgs it is pretty dead. Fnms with 30-40 people anre now gone. Lgs clerk is runming now force of will tourneys on friday with the now non existant friday night magic. We cant movw modern tourney on friday because people fixed their schedule to play on thursdays.
Wizards is afraid of reprinting old cards because of the caw blade era.
>Goblin Guides spiking
>I still need one
Well, there goes my premise of not buying any expensive MtG stuff anytime soon
Looks pretty diverse to me. No deck has more than 25% representation. Is it diverse in combo/aggro/combo? No. But why should it be. I fail to see a problem here.
At least people come to your standard FNMs. Mine get 5 people tops. Last week I was the only one who came. Everything went to shit after Theros rotated out. Shitty promos certainly did not help.
No anon, people come to play Force of Will. Mtg players now drive 1 hr to another LGS with the same problem as mine or are playing Force of Will till rotation.
Fuck I dont know why they started to play that weeb game. Its out of my comprehension.
Its a fine program but holy hell dont expect the players to be anything but shitty. I tested a nykthos deck on there for a while and literally 1/4 of my opponents asked if i was sure i could cast deus of calamity without any red
>Its very skill intensive yet doesnt reward skilled play
Fuck... This. I feel like I pull off some damn good plays but the deck doesn't have enough gas all the time to make it work.
Think about it, right now Standard is the format that makes the most money for the Coastal Wizarding Jews, which has become a brain dead turn creatures sideways: the format.
So coastal wizards frame of mind is, "why not turn modern into standard 2.0?"
That way they'll have TWO formats that make them money which means double the monies.
It would make sense if they reprint more stuff, but they arent. as some anon said, WotC dont give a shit about modern prices. If they did, they'd release more reprints or better special products.
Reminder that the majority of opened Modern Staples are in sitting in binders and boxes right now.
Modern masters tarmogoyf (MM2013) had a smaller print run than the tarmogoyf from future sight
That's the most glaring problem they had with MM, most modern masters playable cards either go back to their original price or end up being worth more
That's what happens when you try to compromise to appease your entire consumer base from the player that just want to play the cards to the collectors that want them to retain value.
Didn't you know? Just because a deck uses islands doesn't mean it's blue!
Other things you might not know: burn is a combo deck, and Twin was a control deck, Remand is literally time walk.
>Other things you might not know: burn is a combo deck, and Twin was a control deck, Remand is literally Time Walk.
memedern generals are always the dankest breeding ground for new fresh memes
What is a great deck to play both casually and competitively?
Non aggro and non combo, since they aren't fun casually
Money isnt that much of a problem since, modern never rotates i can just buy stuff over a longer period of time.
Thanks in advance!
This. Don't get me wrong, Goyf is probably one of the best creatures printed, but you are paying 120$ for a very efficient vanilla creature.
Snapcaster at least -does- something powerful..
So I was looking at some Titan decks online, and the idea of Prime Time was floated. How does /tg/ feel about that in this metagame? Tailor the rest of the deck to power it out and it gets one or more Emerias on fast to shit all over aggro and rebuild board state after wipes. It also gives you access to highly relevant cards like Coiling Oracle, Sakura-Tribe Elder, and Eternal Witness and isn't a burden when trying to play Finks (which has always been superb against aggro).
I also like the idea of tech like the singleton Gifts as an instant-speed Entomb/double-Entomb with Emeria online, Worship as a very real card against aggro, and surprisingly even Zur's Weirding has seen some play against Tron. With a headstart on life and a more stable board state you should be able to Weirding from a solid advantage, or so the thought seemed to be.
He's more disenfranchised than it sound like in the article. He's blatantly stated that wizards often works against the interests of players multiple times, he just accepts his position as the cuck of capitalism.
It was funny when he tried to convince the other people on the mtg goldfish podcast that they banned twin due to the pro tour and would continue banning teir 1 decks for as long as there was a modern pro tour.
Then again, his opinions might have shifted some since then as well.
He's not the only one who's made the argument quite publicly that this is precisely because of PT coverage. CFB ran an article where PVDdR said exactly that, on top of calling out shits like Sam Black (and all of WotC in the same stroke) for suggesting that banning Twin somehow made other U tempo/control decks playable.
Next on the chopping block is either Tron, Affinity, or Burn, whichever wins the most this season. That's all there is to it.
They could certainly neuter it by taking away GG and/or Eidolon under the argument that "red decks shouldn't have the most efficient spells AND the most efficient creatures".
It'd be bullshit, but that's how I envision them doing it.
Well, im not actually sure if it would kill burn. Sure, its probably the most important spell, but its not a combo piece or anything, just a really good spell.
Okey youre right
Well, losing one of them isnt that bad. Remember, before theros burn decks also didn't run Eidolon and they still were around
But Wizards would never ban key aggro pieces. They love aggro decks that are easy to pilot. Look at the ban list, there are only 3 creatures on it. The rest are mostly blue control spells or combo pieces
The list goes on. There's hardly any aggro card on the list besides Glimpse of Nature for elves.
Not capitalism, Anon. This retardity is directly from WotC's distribution system and philosophy. They want boats to be the primary channel because it has a broad appeal, is extremely profitable, and creates artificial scarcity.
>it has a broad appeal, is extremely profitable, and creates artificial scarcity.
and those are not aligned with capitalism how? You literally just said "they do it because it makes them a buttload of money"
This mindset is exactly why the mint finds it impossible to get $1 coins into circulation. Because every time they try, all the morons in the country look at them and think about how RARE and VALUABLE they are, and hoard the shit out of them instead of fucking spending them like they exist to be used for.
Shithead collectors only ever make things worse for the people who actually go around and contribute to the market.
They could never ban it, they could only print something to make it unplayable. Something like pic related.
Okay you realize magic is a product wizards produces right? They are a business. They exist to take your money. That's capitalism.
The capitalism in question is mtg, a product produced by wizards, being sold on the open market. The article is about this and how the secondary market affects their behavior, because it influences how much money they make and thus determines what they print and when. Their "philosophy" (which appears to be quite successful, which makes calling it dumb questionable) exists as a direct result of being a capitalist entity.
Make it pro green, or seeing as how protection from x has been nearly killed off, give it hexproof. Also this enchantment isn't blue at all except for its flash. It should be white
>see custom card threads get bad mouthed all the time (to be fair a lot of the shit they get is deserved)
>see a retard design cards this fucking poorly
Even as a strawman it's retarded.
I started selling my stuff before the twin ban. So glad I did. Can't handle the direction this game is taking. Prices are up and quality is way down. I have enough similar bullshit in real life
According to a spreadsheet I keep I can pull out of Magic with just over $2300 profit from what I paid originally for the cards and selling at 50% current retail prices. That is fucking obscene because it means that my collection has doubled in value and then some and it means all the pre-releases and drafts I've participated in would be paid for - making this a game that cost me just about nothing.
And I did nothing but own old cards that multiplied anywhere from 5 to 20 times in value.
I've decided to keep my cards. Maybe in the future my friends' kids will pick up Magic. I'll take my collection out of stasis and show them. It has that much value in that sense. It's better to me than recycling the cards back into the system - because the system is fucked.
>waaa everything is bad because It doesn't work in my favor
>magic sucks and I'm here to make sure you know it
I love old magic, both old and new, but you guys are a bunch of thin-skinned, no-job, babbies. Go fuck yourself, the lot of you.
Doing red splash for blood moon and xenagod so I can poop out a 30/30 hashed emrakul on turn 3/4
Baloth definetly sounds good. I cut spells kites cause no twin but it def wild help with burn and infect MU
a guy at my shop has brewed monogreen T&N "control". its like, 4x beast within 4x mwonvuli acid-moss 4x acidic slime with T&N for the oops I win spell you have to be wary of.
idk how good it is, haven't been paired against him yet, but I've heard people complaining about getting stone rained out of the match
Two-for-one'ing yourself is always bad. It is never something you want to do to yourself unless it outright wins you the game.
If the plan is to kill Karn after he hits, you had better be winning soon or it is outright the wrong thing to depend on.
>Next round of bans Urza's Tower goes "for allowing Tron to drop a wide variety of game-ending threats well ahead of the curve, requiring any other deck to race an incredibly short clock"
>Next ban after that sees Eidolon of the Great Revel, for "unfairly shortening Burn's clock against decks that are trying to race it, making any other aggro decks suboptimal"
>Next ban after that sees Mox Opal go for "enabling consistent fast starts for Affinity that help it play through even dedicated hate which stifles other artifact-based decks by accident"
>Eldrazi is considered kosher because its fast mana has a limited amount of potential outlets and the deck functions exactly as designed.
So what does the format look like three B&R notices from now? Pod, Twin, and Tron gone, with Burn, Affinity, and Amulet neutered to varying degrees?
>turn 2 blood moon
>turn 2 crumble to dust post board
>turn 3 primal command unsummon tron land, tutor ewit repeat.
I mean tron can definetly fuck you before you're online but you can do the same
Goyf has only been going down with each reprint, why do I keep on seeing you people act like we should be investing in it? Are there literal shills on /tg/ now?
yes, karn gets to do something as soon as he comes down, karn liberated is a very good Magic: The Gathering card.
This doesn't mean you should just pick up your fucking cards and cry your eyes out all the way fucking home every time someone plays him you dumb sack of horse shit, sometimes you just have to eat it and answer the cards your opponents play even if they're really good cards. I'm sorry if this is a foreign fucking concept to you.
the core of the deck is using land untappers (arbor elf, satyr wayfinder) and land enchantments like utopia spawl and overgrowth, to make mad fucking mana like a mad cunt. the combo focused T&N deck can hit 9 mana and cast an entwined tooth and nail on T4 fairly consistently if the opp has no interaction.
I don't understand people like you. He explicitly states it's a 2-for-1, you say it isn't, he points out exactly how it is and then you respond with some rambling horseshit keyboard warrior crap that isn't actually related to what he's saying. What happened to you, anon? Why are you like this?
How many fucking times does this have to be said? They are never and I repeat never banning any aggro card. Take a good look at the ban list and there's only 3 creatures on it out of 30 something cards and the creatures are all midrange tools in addition. Every card on the ban list is either a blue control spell ala JtMS , Ancestral and Ponder or its a combo pieces like Seething Song, Rite of Flame, Second Sunrise , Sword of the Meek, Hypergenesis, and now Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin.
No aggro cards will ever be banned because that's what Wotc wants decks to be , fast easy to pilot aggro like Burn, Affinity, and Merfolk. This format is how WotC likes it, predominantly aggro with fringe control and combos that take many turns to come online like Scapeshift and Ad Nauseam. Burn is WotCs pet deck so to speak.
not him, just read the reply chain, I was just flabberghasted that someone said answering karn with any kind of spell is bad because you 2 for 1 yourself doing so. Yeah, karn is almost always a 2 for 1 or better, that's why he's so fucking good. sometimes you just have to accept that and move on with your magic life
4 Coiling Oracle
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Restoration Angel
2 Sun Titan
2 Primeval Titan
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
4 Path to Exile
2 Aether Spellbomb
1 Detention Sphere
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Unburial Rites
1 Gifts Ungiven
3 Flooded Strand
1 Windswept Heath
3 Temple Garden
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Breedong Pool
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
I have all the pieces of this deck already, slapping it together for an FNM to see what happens against a field that was mostly aggro even before Twin got banned. Thoughts?
Dont think an aggro meta is going to last very long. It never does. People remember that lifegain and good removal is a thing and that there are other combos than twin and things balance out. Then tron comes back.
Everyone plays aggro in a new meta because no one knows wtf they are doing anymore and in that scenario its better to play a deck that doesnt care what the opponent does and is faster than your average janky combo.
The only kind of creature based strategy I can stomach these days because it isn't as boring as simply tapping creatures sideways. I mean sure Elves will turn sideways, but at least they put on a show by Elf-storming their way through CoCos into Lead the Stampedes.
If Wizards sees any evidence that could suggest a deck "reduces diversity", even if it takes some contortion to get to that conclusion, they absolutely will ban a card from it. Burn has a card that makes it harder to race with aggro, so it could eat a ban. Affinity has a card that's very easy to pump and very hard to block with acceleration to get it out fast, so it could eat a ban.
The evidence is that Nacatl was banned very early on for similar reasons, and remained banned until well after it was a "safe" unban. You can say anything you want to the contrary, but the precedent IS there.
You're an absolute idiot if you think they'll ban anything from either of those decks. WotC isn't some illuminati jew that likes to make the decks you built unusable they just don't like control and combo. New players can learn aggro easier then anything so they promote aggro. There are no other aggro strategies that burn pushes out and there's no new deck that would emerge from a burn nerf.
If your meta has lots of Tron and Eldrazi sure. I've tested it enough times and for the most part it does do well against those decks but the aggro matchup is still a race.
Good luck with BGx and Grixis variants though, they will fuck you up
In the short term run it if you've got it, because nobody knows what the fuck to expect right now. Just don't expect it to remain good once the metagame stabilizes, because bad decks don't get good just because a good deck gets banned.
Bad decks only get good when the whole meta shifts to favor them.
I'm not WotC so I'm not sure but that's what they like for modern. Rest assured Burn and especially Tribal aggro decks like Elves, Merfolk , and Goblins are Wizards pet decks. They are considered classic magic by Wizards and to be fair they kind of are classic.
And what new deck suddenly becomes good in Twin's absence? Not a single fucking one, because Twin was a crutch that propped up a weak archetype. What deck suddenly became good under the Nacatl ban? Not a single fucking one. Banning cards to "promote diversity" only ever results in a re-shuffling of the decks that were good before the bans, and yet Wizards keeps doing it anyway.
I don't know what about the history of bans makes you think Burn and Affinity are some sort of sacred cows. Wizards just hasn't gotten around to it yet.
Aren't Burn and Affinity more of a concept than just a deck?
I mean, you can ban 1-2 cards but the deck will always be remade. Ban Scapeshift and Scapeshift deck no longer exists. Same for Grislebrand, Living End, etc.
Is Cockatrice still a decent Magic client? My one friend was curious about trying the game but she wanted to try to experiment with the game in some regard before having to put any money towards it and since she lives so far away I can't reliably loan her cards.
Try Xmage, its like free MTGO with cards and rules coded in.
Nacatl WAS banned because of Naya Zoo. Artifact lands are banned because of Affinity. Bloodbraid Elf is banned because it slots too well into goodstuff midrange/aggro. Many bans have been due to perceived constraints on "diversity" as well: Nacatl, Pod, Stoneforge Mystic, and Punishing Fire come immediately to mind.
The precedents are there.
4x Mana Confluence
3x Gemstone Mine
2x Windswept Heath
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Breeding Pool
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Stomping Grounds
4x Birds of Paradise
4x Sylvan Caryatid
3x Jeskai Ascendancy
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Cerulean Wisps
4x Sleight of Hand
4x Serum Visions
2x Ideas Unbound
4x Glittering Wish
3x Swan Song
4x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Fiery Justice
1x Jeskai Ascendancy
Exactly. They get an idea in their head that spooks them and it's off to the races, kind of like a skittish horse. Can't argue with them, can't reason with them, doesn't matter how silly it seems.
Because sanctioned vintage requires actual copies of the cards you use and there are literally not enough copies of vintage staples to meet demand. Barrier to entry is not merely, money but the fact that no one is selling the cards at all.
Why can't mods ban cunts like this?
I dont like the deck either, but i dont cry like a bitch everytime someone mentions it or post a list. You are probaably one of those fags that had Pod and Twin decks and are now salty cause wizards fucked you in the ass twice.
>They are never and I repeat never banning any aggro card
New in town?