MTG Modern General

>>45000453
Electrolize would be really funny right there.

>>45000780
The opponent is clearly tapped out.

>>45000888
They also have no blue sources. It's purely wishful thinking.

This >>45001908 is the best way to fix modern to make it a fun and enjoyable format again.

>keep hearing modern players say Twin ban was good because it'll give a lot of new decks room
>look at SCG decklists
>only temur delver is new and improved
>pretty much only aggro tournament
>tons of decks are a lot weaker and the list of viable decks is smaller

GOD BLESS

What are better for colorless sources to cast eldrazi, pain lands or filter lands?

>Goblin guide at 39 dollars

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>>45002695
Is that why mine were just bought out on TCG?

>>45000453
you got a list?

>>45002360

Here's the top 16

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/deckshow.php?&t[C1]=28&start_date=2016-01-24&end_date=2016-01-24&event_ID=36&city=Atlanta&state=GA&t_num=1&limit=8&start_num=8&start_num=0&limit=16

>12 Aggro
>2 Midrange
>1 Combo/Midrange
>1 Combo

>0 Tron
>0 Control

Is this the new "diverse" meta?

>>45002360
>keep hearing modern players say Twin ban was good because it'll give a lot of new decks room

Literally no modern players said that. Wizards said that. It was pretty much universally agreed that the Twin ban was a dumb move.

>>45003247
>It was pretty much universally agreed that the Twin ban was a dumb move.
That's incorrect.

>>45003580
I think he meant by the smart players. Not the "it's not fair there's combo" babies.

>>45002695
I'm extremely buttblasted that Wizards doesn't reprint cards like these in supplemental products more often (i.e. fucking at all). At least we're getting Geist in the new Duel Deck, but those things should be loaded with cards like these instead of the scraps we get.

>tfw have Legacy Sneak Show
At least I get my UR combos in one format

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Threadly reminder to get your glittering wishes and life from the loams before they spike

CardKingdom has Inquisition of Kozileks for $20. Pick your playset up quick.

>>45003019
Infect is combo.

>>45004752
That's because the meme train is slowing down.

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I play Bogles, and I was thinking picking up burn, since I need some color variety in my life.

Am I a faggot?

>>45000453
What program is that want to play MTG online with friend and sick of playing the planeswalkers 2012 game

>>45004969
yes

>>45004805
It was also 16th place. The top 12 were ALL aggro.
>>45003019
You can play any deck you want so long as it's aggro.

>>45004992
You should get Xmage. It's like MGTO but free.

Alternatively just get MTGO if you like to pay money or Cockatrice if you don't like playing by the rules.

I've been thinking about picking up a Red Skred.
Is it any good or should i just pick up another deck?

>>45005323
Its one of those decks that has free wins but also free losses. You crush most aggro decks so it might be a good choice for this meta. Its also not that consistant and you rely heavily on your Sideboard.

Its very skill intensive yet doesnt reward skilled play quite as hard as say, Lantern Control, and is generally less good

>>45003019

>tron got hated out into oblivion
>implying it's a bad thing

Will the twin ban ever be removed?

>>45005722
>Will an unjust ban ever be removed
Considering every card they've unbanned has proceeded to have little to no impact on the Modern metagame which SHOULD throw into doubt the validity of the rest of the original ban list, I think I can safely say that no, nothing worthwhile ever comes off the ban list.

>>45000453
Preordain unban when
Its better than semen, please give blue something

>>45006029
But Anon, a blue deck just won the latest Modern SCG event. If anything, Serum Visions will be banned.

>>45006029
>give blue something

Oy vey Temur Delver just won a tournament! Seems like we will have to ban snapcaster too. It's clearly looking oppressive already!

>>45006038
>>45006046
Yes but literally every other deck was fucking aggro
It would buff Temur delver (who knows really if its even good) but would be much better for stuff like Jeskai control which is now almost useless

>>45006068
Are you asking if Preordain is good? Nigger it's Legacy playable.

>>45006078
No im not, I know its good, however it is strictly worse than Ponder and brainstorm.
With shitty counterspells, bad cantrips, I see no reason to play blue in modern at all when I could play burn, Elves or fish

>>45005442
Tron being hated out is just a side effect of a braindead count to 20 meta. It's like Standard except the games last 5 minutes instead of 40.

>>45006099
Between the three of those cantrips, none are strictly anything over the others. Without fetches, Brainstorm is the worst. If 1 of your top 3 is good and the other 2 are garbage, Ponder is the worst. Preordain offers less card selection, but ensures things keep rolling along. There's no Brainstorm/Ponder lock.

>first major tournament after surprising ban
>thinking everyone won't just go straight to their favorite aggro deck
>thinking the meta will have already stabilized back into linear/midrange/urx sort of control

ITT you're all dumb

>>45006144
>back into urx control
URx control has never been meta. That's sort of the problem.

>>45006144
URx is shit compared to Tron, blue control decks are dead

The results of the last event please me. I was hearing a lot of doom saying about a tron throttled meta. Well in your face you pessimistic doughnuts.

>>45006167
I said "urx sort of control", i.e. remand-bolt-snapcaster decks. Those were omnipresent before the ban. Learn to read you white nigger.

>>45005866

Have you considered that perhaps the likelihood of low impact is _the reason_ they were unbanned? You can't take that as evidence that the rest of the banlist will also have a low impact on the metagame.

>>45006406
>omnipresent before the ban.
They had twin. Also that isn't control

Why is Goblin Guide so expensive holy shit

>ITT idiots think a shitty 140 player tournament is relevant and showcases the new meta

>>45006653
Burn and Zoo staple
Also played in Legacy and probably Vintage too.

>>45006537
Still a white nigger

>>45006731
Nah, I'm a different anon and you're just wrong about control and your entire point

>>45006683
>ITT Wizard shills try to justify their awful ban to strangers on an anonymous image board

>>45006780
no I actually think it will get much worse with the PT

>>45006739
Well then, I should say "also a white nigger". Twin played the control role in the vast majority of its matchups. If you don't know what I mean go read Mike Flores' "who's the beatdown?" You may find it helps your magic playing. I said "urx sort of control" as a shorthand way of saying "urx decks that play the control role in the majority of matchups." If you don't understand that it means you didn't understand the pre-twin-ban meta. Thinking the new meta would immediately settle into similar pillars is silly too. And that was my point.

>"apexzozzle I was just trolling you y so butt hurt kek?"
I know it's coming. I'll wait.

Ps you're a white nigger.

>>45006406
>control is snapcaster and burn

Modern cuck

Control is never viable in modern

>>45006869
See >>45006843

Got a Foil Needle Spire for 6.75
Did I do good /teegee/? Will it raise in price in the future? Is it good?

Surely there's a niche for it

>>45006922
I think you asked this last thread and I think the unanimous agreement was no. Too much mana to pump for a bad 2/1 creature in the objectively worst modern colors ignoring burn, who never wants to hit 4 mana anyways.

>>45006843
>claiming your statement has a secondary and implicit meaning that wasnt straight up said
>expecting other people to claim they were acting retarded via backtracking statements
Well, okay little buddy. I guess you can have your cute lil opinion that twin was a control deck. I hope grade 8 treats you well

>>45006907
Golly gee I guess every deck in modern is technically control by your extremely loose and shitty definition :^)

>>45006922
Wait and see, there is always a niche for manlands, in other formats too

>>45004727
>play gifts ascendancy because I generally like combo control
>No interesting plays, only tapping out now
>Win all of my matches easily
Disappointing.

>>45006843
Twin was a combo-control deck. Not a control deck. To claim it was control in "most" of its matchups is hella stupid.

>>45006514
Have you ever considered that that likely means that there are cards which would have a more major impact on the meta but wouldn't be OP?

>>45007024
How does the gifts variant go off?
Take me through a play by play

>>45004727

No pro player is playing that stupid deck. Stop with the Memeskai Combo plz

>>45004727
NOW THATS A CONTROL DECK THAT MODERN NEEDS

>>45007056
Seriously just look up "who's the beatdown" by Mike Flores. It's a very well written article and is still highly relevant despite its age. I am certain you will find it enlightening.

>>45007177
It can win in several different ways.
>gifts for burial+iona/elesh
>natural going off with ascendancy
>gifts into fatestitcher life flame-jab with ascendancy+one other guy/ascendancy (infinite combo by recurring loam with the ascendancy loots)
>snapcaster beats+bolt+flame jab recursion.
Has a lot of variety but still boring as fuck.

>>45006922
>Needle Spire

Literally the worst Manland who likely won't see any Standard play, let alone Modern play.

>>45007190
Stop with the Memeskai Combo plz. Nobody is playing that stupid deck

>>45007209
I know about 'playing the control side', you're just being a pedant.

>>45007244
Actually let me correct that

It will see standard play, Jeskai needs mana fixing after all.

>>45007179
>>45007251

After you stop getting salty over it sure

Can anyone suggest some good bant decks besides bogles? I've done some research and haven't turned up much.

>>45007330

Good is arguable but Knightfall is pretty much Bant Beats with a built in combo

>>45007257
If that's the case then why didn't you understand the point I was making? I suppose I didn't lay it out explicitly in my first post but even a modicum of critical thinking would get you to my point.

I thought Ad Nauseam would be the new tier 1 combo deck with Tron's rise. I'll agree that SCG Atlanta was not a good expression of the upcoming metagame but it certainly was an eye-opener. Is burn about to spike to a $800 deck?

>>45007354
There's more than one person that disagrees with you

>>45007354
>>45007381
Also
>it's other people's jobs to read between the lines and over analysize what I say to see if anything has more than one meaning
>has autism

>>45007409
You know what, you're right. I should assume everyone on here is dumb. My bad. Sorry for getting worked up.

>>45007424
You're forgiven.

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>>45007372
>mfw built Burn last summer for around $260
>Now its reaching $800+

My little deck is all grown up now ;_;

Pick up Eidolons if you haven't already, they're due for a spike

>>45006843
apexzozzle I was just trolling you y so butt hurt kek?

Hey guys what's the best control deck for me to play?
>Infect
>ascendancy
>storm?

>>45007465
I don't know anon, why don't you post a control deck for me?

>>45007372
I got 2 eidolons from the last pre release. One of them is a foil one. Should I wait a little longer to sell them or should I sell them now (I'm not interested on playing burn at all)

>>45007477
Oops, there's also living end, it's a cool control deck. I used to play twin and wizards hates control but it's my favourite game style

>>45007429
This isn't how most anonymous internet arguments go. We need to fight more for the sake of of fighting. Please rescind your forgiveness.

>>45007465
Welcome to Solitaire: The Gathering

>>45007443
Good comedic timing.

>>45007487
Wait till I do a buyout
>>45007497
Please, didn't you over analyze the way I implied that you were wrong about your original points? You should read some articles on how to argue better, and consider the fact that your the apexzozzle here not me

>>45007494
You could try grizzlecontrol reanicounterspell.

>>45007494
You can do like my friend did and force Esper.

Otherwise go Delver or Scapeshift

>>45007515
No Ur a fagget

>>45007435
Pre spoiler of mm2015 was the best time to build a burn deck. Got my goblin guides 4$ each long time ago in the zendikar era and my friend built a burn deck before mm2015 was spoiled and bought the goblin guides in 10$ each.

Now people who want to get in the format are pretty screwed.

>>45006046

Just ban Islands already and be done with it.

>>45007515
Ok m8, better you give me a bati-signal when its the time.

>>45007555
>Now people who want to get in the format are pretty screwed.
Been that way for years now

>>45007591
Mono g Stompy is still cheap. It's not great of course but it is a deck.

Will WotC ever address the absurdly high cost of Modern? It's ridiculous that you need to pay over 1k for a tier 1 deck.

>>45004969
>I play the most autopilot deck in the format, and I was thinking picking up the second most autopilot deck in the format
>not being a faggot

>>45007689
They did with mm. A set with a print run akin to from the vaults

>>45007689
>will wizards ever address a problem that makes them money?
No.

When is the next modern masters?

>>45007741
But they don't make money from the secondary market. An annual MM with an actual print run would drive prices down and keep Kikecity Games in check while printing WOTC money.

>>45007746
>2022
And after that, expect a new no reprint list as tarmogoyf investors lost money when it dipped below 5K a piece

>>45007759
>But they don't make money from the secondary market.
False.
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/how-wizards-manages-its-savings-account

>>45007759
>why do people buy a booster at 13.99 msrp?
Because there's a chance of cracking a goyf, if goyf was $20 people wouldn't run to buy cases of mm

>>45007689
Wizards dont care. They only care that suppliers buy their products. Once they buy their products and get the money, its not their problem anymore. They only focus on standard. Dunno how your standard enviroment is in your area, but in my lgs it is pretty dead. Fnms with 30-40 people anre now gone. Lgs clerk is runming now force of will tourneys on friday with the now non existant friday night magic. We cant movw modern tourney on friday because people fixed their schedule to play on thursdays.

Wizards is afraid of reprinting old cards because of the caw blade era.

>>45007809
Modern is dead
Goyf was once 100 dollars and people thought that was too much
Fetches were 20 at the most ( foil blue fetches were 30 Canadian)

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>Goblin Guides spiking
>I still need one
Well, there goes my premise of not buying any expensive MtG stuff anytime soon

>>45007330
Bant Troll Worship is fun

Does Stony Silence beat Goblin Charbelcher?

>>45008089
Well it's not a deck so I'd say breathing beats belcher

Reprint Land Tax and Scroll Rack.

>>45003019
>3 Merfolk
>2 Affinity
>2 Zoo
>2 Burn
>2 Delver
>1 Jund

Looks pretty diverse to me. No deck has more than 25% representation. Is it diverse in combo/aggro/combo? No. But why should it be. I fail to see a problem here.

>>45007078
Yes, but that's not what the previous post said, and Wizards are conservative wrt unbanning.

>>45008255

> Not mentioning Infect

Why you people hate the aids deck?

>>45008310
Because infect is awful anon

>>45008255
>3 Merfolk
Blue players overreacting again. The colour's fine, stop wanting modern to be legacy 2.0.

>>45008255
A wider variety of viable play styles appeals to a wider fanbase?

>>45007809
At least people come to your standard FNMs. Mine get 5 people tops. Last week I was the only one who came. Everything went to shit after Theros rotated out. Shitty promos certainly did not help.

>>45008255
Wizards claims they want all colours and all archetypes to have a viable deck in modern. It is a problem

>tfw god tier LGS
We get 32 people every Monday and Friday for modern. And every Friday we have draft too. He also hosts big SCG tournaments.

>>45008412
Wizards routinely lies.

>>45008460
Or they're idiots. They routinely print cards supporting already viable archetypes.

Would this deck be good in the current meta? Thought about finishing it and taking it to some FNM's for fun

http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=10539&d=260313&f=MO

>>45008400

No anon, people come to play Force of Will. Mtg players now drive 1 hr to another LGS with the same problem as mine or are playing Force of Will till rotation.

Fuck I dont know why they started to play that weeb game. Its out of my comprehension.

>>45008673
UW Titan? That's a metagame call. What does your meta look like?

>>45008751
>tfw would rather become a smelly sweaty clammy neckbeard than play without twin

>>45005107
>cockatrice
Its a fine program but holy hell dont expect the players to be anything but shitty. I tested a nykthos deck on there for a while and literally 1/4 of my opponents asked if i was sure i could cast deus of calamity without any red

>>45005399
>Its very skill intensive yet doesnt reward skilled play
Fuck... This. I feel like I pull off some damn good plays but the deck doesn't have enough gas all the time to make it work.

>>45008673
People will hate you but it's a ton of fun. It folds to combo but eats aggro for breakfast.

>>45003019
Think about it, right now Standard is the format that makes the most money for the Coastal Wizarding Jews, which has become a brain dead turn creatures sideways: the format.

So coastal wizards frame of mind is, "why not turn modern into standard 2.0?"

That way they'll have TWO formats that make them money which means double the monies.

>>45009019

It would make sense if they reprint more stuff, but they arent. as some anon said, WotC dont give a shit about modern prices. If they did, they'd release more reprints or better special products.

>>45008855

I think he was talking bout standard players who are poorfags and cant pay for the 500$-600$ Stndard deck prices.

>>45005399
>>45008907
Too bad though. I would have loved to play it.
I hope something comes along in the future to help it.

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Reminder that the majority of opened Modern Staples are in sitting in binders and boxes right now.

>>45009150
>vintage isn't even in the photo because vintage doesn't exist
I like it! Factually correct anon!

>>45009084
Doesn't modern masters count?

>>45009321
Modern masters tarmogoyf (MM2013) had a smaller print run than the tarmogoyf from future sight
That's the most glaring problem they had with MM, most modern masters playable cards either go back to their original price or end up being worth more

>>45007330
Tooth and nail

>>45008334
>Hyper aggressive aether vial creature deck
>Blue
Pick one

>>45009735
What are you even saying? Merfolk isn't a blue deck?

>>45009808
Merfolk is as blue as Tarmogoyf is green.

>>45009860
Tarmogoyf is very green

>>45009808
Merfolk is blue like Michael Jackson was white

>>45009411
That's what happens when you try to compromise to appease your entire consumer base from the player that just want to play the cards to the collectors that want them to retain value.

>>45009808
>>45009883
Didn't you know? Just because a deck uses islands doesn't mean it's blue!

Other things you might not know: burn is a combo deck, and Twin was a control deck, Remand is literally time walk.

>>45009860
Goyf is green. Creatures in yards nattering is a green and black thing

>>45009999
>nattering
Kek

>>45009920
>Other things you might not know: burn is a combo deck, and Twin was a control deck, Remand is literally Time Walk.
memedern generals are always the dankest breeding ground for new fresh memes

What is a great deck to play both casually and competitively? Non aggro and non combo, since they aren't fun casually
Money isnt that much of a problem since, modern never rotates i can just buy stuff over a longer period of time.
Thanks in advance!

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>>45010435
>non-linear decks
>modern

>>45010435
The best non aggro non combo deck is Jund

>>45010435
What kind of decks do you consider fun?

>>45010435
Fuck off

>>45009920
>B-but goy! Y-you already have a good b-b-blue deck! Why can't you just play and attack with creatures like everyone else?

>>45010435
tron is the funnest

>>45010562
Tron is the single most boring deck in the format.

>>45010575
your boring

>>45010596
I know, I have a lot of experience with boring things and I know something boring when I see it.

>>45008412
Wizards has decided aggro is the only archetype, then.

>>45010435
Mono Green Devotion is pretty hilarious to do stupid shit with and is easily toned down for casual play to add in stupid shit to slap your friends with.

>>45010474
I feel like control is pretty fun, but creature heavy decks a fine too.

>>45010493
I'm sorry

>>45010825
>I feel like control is pretty fun, but creature heavy decks a fine too.
Play UW Control/Midrange. Make sure to maindeck Spreading Seas.

>Reminder that there was a time that Legacy duals cost $50
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Revised+Edition/Volcanic+Island#paper

Legacy is a healthy format

So when does goyf spike?

>>45010957
and the prices will only go up because they will never be reprinted

legacy is deader than modern

>>45010973
Goyf isn't even that great

>>45011027
For 2 mana it's pretty silly.

>>45011064
Not silly enough to warrant that price tag

>>45011127
It's only going up. Wouldn't be surprised to see $300 goyfs by summer

Why does no one talk about Vintage? Logically it should be the deepest MtG format and we all know that budget doesn't matter when talking about Magic

>>45011272
Because there's like 13 vintage players

>>45011272
Because it's even more dead then legacy in paper

>>45011272
It's not all that deep. You play Blue or Brown or some combination of the two.

>>45011463
Isn't that legacy?

>>45011489
Lol no

>>45011508
How far is it from the truth? Cards like brainstorm are in 70%+ of legacy decks

>>45011127
>>45011152
This. Don't get me wrong, Goyf is probably one of the best creatures printed, but you are paying 120$ for a very efficient vanilla creature.
Snapcaster at least -does- something powerful..

>>45011272
>and we all know that budget doesn't matter when talking about Magic
If that was the case I would move to legacy and fuck off from modern

>>45011552
Your mom was in 70% of legacy decks.

>>45011604
Ooo fuckin REKT!!

>>45011552
It's not, just last thread the legacy fag was going on about how there's no reason not to play blue because blue does everything

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>this price curve

So I was looking at some Titan decks online, and the idea of Prime Time was floated. How does /tg/ feel about that in this metagame? Tailor the rest of the deck to power it out and it gets one or more Emerias on fast to shit all over aggro and rebuild board state after wipes. It also gives you access to highly relevant cards like Coiling Oracle, Sakura-Tribe Elder, and Eternal Witness and isn't a burden when trying to play Finks (which has always been superb against aggro).

I also like the idea of tech like the singleton Gifts as an instant-speed Entomb/double-Entomb with Emeria online, Worship as a very real card against aggro, and surprisingly even Zur's Weirding has seen some play against Tron. With a headstart on life and a more stable board state you should be able to Weirding from a solid advantage, or so the thought seemed to be.

>>45007788
I hate how this guy's opinions end up as "I love 50$ damnations because Wizards makes more money in the long run!"

>>45011790
Devotion and tooth and nail do it much much better

>>45010575
Oh boy, seems you never played vs eggs and memeskai combo.

Disgusting decks that makes players waste our time.

>>45011878
He's more disenfranchised than it sound like in the article. He's blatantly stated that wizards often works against the interests of players multiple times, he just accepts his position as the cuck of capitalism.
It was funny when he tried to convince the other people on the mtg goldfish podcast that they banned twin due to the pro tour and would continue banning teir 1 decks for as long as there was a modern pro tour.
Then again, his opinions might have shifted some since then as well.

What are the chances that Voice of Resurgence will go up again?

Should I just cash out now?

>>45012100
No, wait for a couple of months till the format settles.

With OGW out, are people updating B/W Memedrazi lists?

>>45012037
He's not the only one who's made the argument quite publicly that this is precisely because of PT coverage. CFB ran an article where PVDdR said exactly that, on top of calling out shits like Sam Black (and all of WotC in the same stroke) for suggesting that banning Twin somehow made other U tempo/control decks playable.

Next on the chopping block is either Tron, Affinity, or Burn, whichever wins the most this season. That's all there is to it.

>>45012037
I doubt it, because he is right. This is an inevitable consequence of capitalism, and there is literally nothing you can do about it other than stop playing magic.

>>45012162
Thankfully they can't kill burn with a ban

>>45012221
What if they go full retard and ban bolt?

>>45012221
Raise the starting life total by 5 and infect amount by 2.

>>45012221
They could certainly neuter it by taking away GG and/or Eidolon under the argument that "red decks shouldn't have the most efficient spells AND the most efficient creatures".

It'd be bullshit, but that's how I envision them doing it.

>>45012237
Well, im not actually sure if it would kill burn. Sure, its probably the most important spell, but its not a combo piece or anything, just a really good spell.

>>45012242
Okey youre right

>>45012262
Well, losing one of them isnt that bad. Remember, before theros burn decks also didn't run Eidolon and they still were around

>>45012237
>>45012262
But Wizards would never ban key aggro pieces. They love aggro decks that are easy to pilot. Look at the ban list, there are only 3 creatures on it. The rest are mostly blue control spells or combo pieces
>Ancestral Visions
>JtMS
>Ponder/Preordain
>Seething Song
>Treasure Cruise/DTT
The list goes on. There's hardly any aggro card on the list besides Glimpse of Nature for elves.

>>45012218
Not capitalism, Anon. This retardity is directly from WotC's distribution system and philosophy. They want boats to be the primary channel because it has a broad appeal, is extremely profitable, and creates artificial scarcity.

>>45012534
Ha, even glimps is a combo piece.

>>45012544
>it has a broad appeal, is extremely profitable, and creates artificial scarcity.
and those are not aligned with capitalism how? You literally just said "they do it because it makes them a buttload of money"

>>45012534
You know, if they hate combo so much they should consider allowing control to exist.

Too bad they also hate control too, I guess.

>>45012595
I bet they dream of a format where every deck is midrange

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>>45012612
I do too

>>45012575
The problem isn't people buying/selling cards individually on the secondary market; it's that WotC is purposely creating scarcity for its product.

>>45012891
It's not like you're entitled to cards. If you can't afford a hobby then find a new one. It's the same with everything in life

>>45012237
Banning Bolt would do hilarious things to the format. So many creatures would suddenly become more viable.

>>45003674
>Smart players
Listen here you little shit, literally no one likes playing against you non-interactive bullshit deck.
Go die.

>>45012934

This mindset is exactly why the mint finds it impossible to get $1 coins into circulation. Because every time they try, all the morons in the country look at them and think about how RARE and VALUABLE they are, and hoard the shit out of them instead of fucking spending them like they exist to be used for.

Shithead collectors only ever make things worse for the people who actually go around and contribute to the market.

>>45006078
its literally only played in the shittiest of delver brews, or storm

>inb4 but muh reanimator
sorry faggot almost every deck playing underground sea is gonna DRS your scrubby ass

>>45013037
>Twin wasn't interactive

what

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>>45012221
They could never ban it, they could only print something to make it unplayable. Something like pic related.

>>45013519
>enchantment
>pro red

Stopped reading there

>>45013557
What is destructive revelry?

>>45012891
Okay you realize magic is a product wizards produces right? They are a business. They exist to take your money. That's capitalism.

The capitalism in question is mtg, a product produced by wizards, being sold on the open market. The article is about this and how the secondary market affects their behavior, because it influences how much money they make and thus determines what they print and when. Their "philosophy" (which appears to be quite successful, which makes calling it dumb questionable) exists as a direct result of being a capitalist entity.

>>45013621
Make it pro green, or seeing as how protection from x has been nearly killed off, give it hexproof. Also this enchantment isn't blue at all except for its flash. It should be white

>>45013750
Hexproof is blue, problem solved.

>>45013519
What an unbalanced piece of shit. You want to kill an archetype dude? WTF is going on with you?

>>45013519
>>45013780
>see custom card threads get bad mouthed all the time (to be fair a lot of the shit they get is deserved)
>see a retard design cards this fucking poorly
Even as a strawman it's retarded.

>>45013798
Do you read the posts in a thread before posting?

>>45000453

Creature: The Tappening

>>45014044
I started selling my stuff before the twin ban. So glad I did. Can't handle the direction this game is taking. Prices are up and quality is way down. I have enough similar bullshit in real life

>>45013925
I think you may have missed the point of the discussion.

>>45013519
>/ccg/
Can you PLEASE stop shitting up canon card threads with this madness.

>>45014447
Can you PLEASE read the thread before being an idiot?

>>45014091
According to a spreadsheet I keep I can pull out of Magic with just over $2300 profit from what I paid originally for the cards and selling at 50% current retail prices. That is fucking obscene because it means that my collection has doubled in value and then some and it means all the pre-releases and drafts I've participated in would be paid for - making this a game that cost me just about nothing.

And I did nothing but own old cards that multiplied anywhere from 5 to 20 times in value.

I've decided to keep my cards. Maybe in the future my friends' kids will pick up Magic. I'll take my collection out of stasis and show them. It has that much value in that sense. It's better to me than recycling the cards back into the system - because the system is fucked.

>>45013519
Laughed heartily at pro red.

>>45014226
no.
>Even as a strawman
I know it was mostly a joke. Doesn't excuse enchantment with pro-red or that it's blue or that its worded incorrectly.

>>45013037
>twin
>non interactive
Can't tell if you're trolling or retarded

ITT
>waaa everything is bad because It doesn't work in my favor
>magic sucks and I'm here to make sure you know it

I love old magic, both old and new, but you guys are a bunch of thin-skinned, no-job, babbies. Go fuck yourself, the lot of you.

>STILL no control decks in modern
>neutered combo decks now

"The best part of Magic is turning creatures sideways" -WotC

>>45015039
>4 Remand
>4 Exhaustion
>Cryptic Command
>2 Snapcasters
>4 Serum for card quality
>5 turn clock before it wins
Blue is doing fine guys

>>45014919
...josh?

Tooth and nail secret meme deck

I need ideas to handle burn. This deck just laughs at tron all day it's amazing

>>45015039
The great thing about Magic isn’t turning the creatures, it’s telling everyone on /tg/ that I did.

>>45015251
Muh niggas

You playing mono green or not?

For burn, try dawnglow infusion, finks, Obstinate Baloth or thragtusk

>>45015251
Nurturing Shoal?

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>>45015338
Doing red splash for blood moon and xenagod so I can poop out a 30/30 hashed emrakul on turn 3/4

Baloth definetly sounds good. I cut spells kites cause no twin but it def wild help with burn and infect MU

>>45015251
feed the clan is value, you just have to spam lifegain until they run outta gas.
How many sb slots you got?
Do you run Thragtusk?

>>45015449
I'll post my list at home. I have one thraggy in the main- I'm causally surprised people aren't running this archetype more since blue and Jund are less common

>>45015492

Unless you go for the combo kill, Tron can simply Karn to fuck you over. That said, at least Ugin doesn't fuck you as much

>>45015767
Bramblecrush karn. Losing a land isn't too rough

>>45015251
a guy at my shop has brewed monogreen T&N "control". its like, 4x beast within 4x mwonvuli acid-moss 4x acidic slime with T&N for the oops I win spell you have to be wary of.

idk how good it is, haven't been paired against him yet, but I've heard people complaining about getting stone rained out of the match

So I pulled a Nissa from Oaths.

On a range of Vraska to Tibalt, how bad are the new Planeswalkers?

>>45015887
pretty shit desu senpai

>>45015780
Two-for-one'ing yourself is always bad. It is never something you want to do to yourself unless it outright wins you the game.

If the plan is to kill Karn after he hits, you had better be winning soon or it is outright the wrong thing to depend on.

>>45015887
Chandra is meh, pretty strong if you have a blocker out though.

Nissa is ok for Standard, but probably too weak for Modern or any other format.

>>45012612
This just goes to show how incompetent they are with their bannings. They want a midrange format and they've created a metagame completely dominated by aggro and tron

>>45016016
To be fair you really can't kill Burn without banning a few cards.

Although someone suggested increasing the starting life total, which would outright kill the concept of aggro.

>Next round of bans Urza's Tower goes "for allowing Tron to drop a wide variety of game-ending threats well ahead of the curve, requiring any other deck to race an incredibly short clock"
>Next ban after that sees Eidolon of the Great Revel, for "unfairly shortening Burn's clock against decks that are trying to race it, making any other aggro decks suboptimal"
>Next ban after that sees Mox Opal go for "enabling consistent fast starts for Affinity that help it play through even dedicated hate which stifles other artifact-based decks by accident"
>Eldrazi is considered kosher because its fast mana has a limited amount of potential outlets and the deck functions exactly as designed.
So what does the format look like three B&R notices from now? Pod, Twin, and Tron gone, with Burn, Affinity, and Amulet neutered to varying degrees?

>>45015923
But it isn't a 2 for 1. And yes my list can win through TN or knightly combo pretty quickly so Tron isn't actually so bad

>>45015815
How the hell does he live long enough to get going

>>45015767
>turn 2 blood moon

>turn 2 crumble to dust post board

>turn 3 primal command unsummon tron land, tutor ewit repeat.

I mean tron can definetly fuck you before you're online but you can do the same

>>45010973
>>45011064
>>45011564
>>45011152
Goyf has only been going down with each reprint, why do I keep on seeing you people act like we should be investing in it? Are there literal shills on /tg/ now?

>>45016065
How is Karn resolving and killing something you got then you Bramblecrushing it not a two-for-one?

They lose:
- Karn
You lose:
- A card
- Bramblecrush

>>45016066
Do you not know what the deck does?
Arbor elf and utopia sprawl give you 4 mana on turn 2

>>45007691
>Burn
>More brain dead than Tron

>>45016133
yes, karn gets to do something as soon as he comes down, karn liberated is a very good Magic: The Gathering card.

This doesn't mean you should just pick up your fucking cards and cry your eyes out all the way fucking home every time someone plays him you dumb sack of horse shit, sometimes you just have to eat it and answer the cards your opponents play even if they're really good cards. I'm sorry if this is a foreign fucking concept to you.

>>45016166
And what's the followup if they bolt your elf?

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>>45016066
the core of the deck is using land untappers (arbor elf, satyr wayfinder) and land enchantments like utopia spawl and overgrowth, to make mad fucking mana like a mad cunt. the combo focused T&N deck can hit 9 mana and cast an entwined tooth and nail on T4 fairly consistently if the opp has no interaction.

>>45016209
that's why T&N has been a shit Tier 3.5 deck for ages now. it literally lays over and cries in the face of spot removal.

>>45016182
I don't understand people like you. He explicitly states it's a 2-for-1, you say it isn't, he points out exactly how it is and then you respond with some rambling horseshit keyboard warrior crap that isn't actually related to what he's saying. What happened to you, anon? Why are you like this?

>>45016209
How is tron bolting my elf?

>>45016209
Play another? Play my lotus cobra or kotr

I've tweaked my personal list so it doesn't fold so easily and can play a fair game too.

A stock list is more like >>45016246

>>45016059
How many fucking times does this have to be said? They are never and I repeat never banning any aggro card. Take a good look at the ban list and there's only 3 creatures on it out of 30 something cards and the creatures are all midrange tools in addition. Every card on the ban list is either a blue control spell ala JtMS , Ancestral and Ponder or its a combo pieces like Seething Song, Rite of Flame, Second Sunrise , Sword of the Meek, Hypergenesis, and now Summer Bloom and Splinter Twin.
No aggro cards will ever be banned because that's what Wotc wants decks to be , fast easy to pilot aggro like Burn, Affinity, and Merfolk. This format is how WotC likes it, predominantly aggro with fringe control and combos that take many turns to come online like Scapeshift and Ad Nauseam. Burn is WotCs pet deck so to speak.

>>45016261
not him, just read the reply chain, I was just flabberghasted that someone said answering karn with any kind of spell is bad because you 2 for 1 yourself doing so. Yeah, karn is almost always a 2 for 1 or better, that's why he's so fucking good. sometimes you just have to accept that and move on with your magic life

4 Coiling Oracle
4 Sakura-Tribe Elder
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Restoration Angel
2 Sun Titan
2 Primeval Titan
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Akroma, Angel of Fury
4 Path to Exile
2 Aether Spellbomb
1 Detention Sphere
2 Supreme Verdict
1 Unburial Rites
1 Gifts Ungiven
2 Worship
3 Flooded Strand
1 Windswept Heath
3 Temple Garden
2 Hallowed Fountain
1 Breedong Pool
6 Plains
1 Island
1 Forest
4 Ghost Quarter
4 Emeria, the Sky Ruin

I have all the pieces of this deck already, slapping it together for an FNM to see what happens against a field that was mostly aggro even before Twin got banned. Thoughts?

Dont think an aggro meta is going to last very long. It never does. People remember that lifegain and good removal is a thing and that there are other combos than twin and things balance out. Then tron comes back.

Everyone plays aggro in a new meta because no one knows wtf they are doing anymore and in that scenario its better to play a deck that doesnt care what the opponent does and is faster than your average janky combo.

>>45016215

The only kind of creature based strategy I can stomach these days because it isn't as boring as simply tapping creatures sideways. I mean sure Elves will turn sideways, but at least they put on a show by Elf-storming their way through CoCos into Lead the Stampedes.

>>45016246
The only matchup that feels horrible is Merfolk cause of spreading seas


Jund and whatnot is rare enough nowadays. And also if we both go topdecks you can randomly auto win

>>45016301
If Wizards sees any evidence that could suggest a deck "reduces diversity", even if it takes some contortion to get to that conclusion, they absolutely will ban a card from it. Burn has a card that makes it harder to race with aggro, so it could eat a ban. Affinity has a card that's very easy to pump and very hard to block with acceleration to get it out fast, so it could eat a ban.

The evidence is that Nacatl was banned very early on for similar reasons, and remained banned until well after it was a "safe" unban. You can say anything you want to the contrary, but the precedent IS there.

Is ascendancy combo good now that twin is gone?

>>45016493
yes

>>45016308
Take out akroma, insert best angel

>>45016440
You're an absolute idiot if you think they'll ban anything from either of those decks. WotC isn't some illuminati jew that likes to make the decks you built unusable they just don't like control and combo. New players can learn aggro easier then anything so they promote aggro. There are no other aggro strategies that burn pushes out and there's no new deck that would emerge from a burn nerf.

>>45016493

If your meta has lots of Tron and Eldrazi sure. I've tested it enough times and for the most part it does do well against those decks but the aggro matchup is still a race.

Good luck with BGx and Grixis variants though, they will fuck you up

>>45016493
In the short term run it if you've got it, because nobody knows what the fuck to expect right now. Just don't expect it to remain good once the metagame stabilizes, because bad decks don't get good just because a good deck gets banned.

Bad decks only get good when the whole meta shifts to favor them.

>>45016543
Why don't they get that's what standard is for. So you can learn shitty aggro decks and the basics, and leave the others alone.

>>45013519
>pro red

>>45016637
I'm not WotC so I'm not sure but that's what they like for modern. Rest assured Burn and especially Tribal aggro decks like Elves, Merfolk , and Goblins are Wizards pet decks. They are considered classic magic by Wizards and to be fair they kind of are classic.

>>45013519
Make it cost 10CMC and I'll be ok with it

>>45016543
And what new deck suddenly becomes good in Twin's absence? Not a single fucking one, because Twin was a crutch that propped up a weak archetype. What deck suddenly became good under the Nacatl ban? Not a single fucking one. Banning cards to "promote diversity" only ever results in a re-shuffling of the decks that were good before the bans, and yet Wizards keeps doing it anyway.

I don't know what about the history of bans makes you think Burn and Affinity are some sort of sacred cows. Wizards just hasn't gotten around to it yet.

>>45016493
No

Just because twin is gone doesn't mean your shit tier meme deck is any better

>>45016804
They area sacred cows because they are aggro decks. Name one aggro card on the ban list. Go ahead I'll wait.
Besides I have all the pieces for legacy burn anyway.

>>45016637
Pro Tour format, anon. Higher profile, new players want in, so Wizards will ban shit that new players might not like so that it won't make them feel like bad players.

>>45016804
Aren't Burn and Affinity more of a concept than just a deck?

I mean, you can ban 1-2 cards but the deck will always be remade. Ban Scapeshift and Scapeshift deck no longer exists. Same for Grislebrand, Living End, etc.

>>45016825

A deck can't be shit tier and a meme at the same time.

Is Cockatrice still a decent Magic client? My one friend was curious about trying the game but she wanted to try to experiment with the game in some regard before having to put any money towards it and since she lives so far away I can't reliably loan her cards.

>>45016925
If you value player freedom over rules accuracy, then it's fine.

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>>45016925
Try Xmage, its like free MTGO with cards and rules coded in.

Someone post a Jeskai Ascendancy list

>>45016848
Nacatl WAS banned because of Naya Zoo. Artifact lands are banned because of Affinity. Bloodbraid Elf is banned because it slots too well into goodstuff midrange/aggro. Many bans have been due to perceived constraints on "diversity" as well: Nacatl, Pod, Stoneforge Mystic, and Punishing Fire come immediately to mind.

The precedents are there.

>>45017012
No I don't wanna!

>>45017014
And they ended up unbanning nacatl because it didn't end up mattering at all. Good job, wizards

>>45017012

4x Mana Confluence
3x Gemstone Mine
2x Windswept Heath
1x Misty Rainforest
1x Breeding Pool
1x Hallowed Fountain
1x Stomping Grounds
2x Forest
1x Island

4x Birds of Paradise
4x Sylvan Caryatid
3x Fatestitcher

3x Jeskai Ascendancy
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Cerulean Wisps
4x Sleight of Hand
4x Serum Visions
4x Manamorphose
2x Expedite
2x Ideas Unbound
4x Glittering Wish
2x Anticipate

SB
3x Swan Song
2x Spellskite
4x Leyline of Sanctity
1x Bound/Determined
1x Wear/Tear
1x Flesh/Blood
1x Fiery Justice
1x Counterflux
1x Jeskai Ascendancy

>>45017109
Exactly. They get an idea in their head that spooks them and it's off to the races, kind of like a skittish horse. Can't argue with them, can't reason with them, doesn't matter how silly it seems.

>>45017006
Can you shortcut?

>>45010527
Well then mill your opponent, I guess.

>>45017280
If you mean auto-pass priority in steps and phases, then look at the blue buttons on the bottom right.

>>45007746

2017

>>45017413
I think that you can go further and customize when to have it prompt you between phases.

Most people just F9 though once they finish their turn, especially in commander.

>>45011272
Because sanctioned vintage requires actual copies of the cards you use and there are literally not enough copies of vintage staples to meet demand. Barrier to entry is not merely, money but the fact that no one is selling the cards at all.

>>45011733
Any card under 3$ value is instantly a 50c bulk rare.

>>45017209

> Posting Memeskai Combo

Disgusting

I'll feed on your tears when WotC bans Jeskai Ascendacy for being a boring deck as fuck.

>>45017863

Who the fuck cares, if you're this salty over it, its already done its job. Cry more

>>45017863

Why can't mods ban cunts like this?

I dont like the deck either, but i dont cry like a bitch everytime someone mentions it or post a list. You are probaably one of those fags that had Pod and Twin decks and are now salty cause wizards fucked you in the ass twice.

>>45017863
If you think fuck is boring you've been doing it wrong, anon. And pushing "memeskai combo is boring ban plox" isn't going to make it a meme. It just makes you a nuisance.

>>45012221
They couldn't kill storm with _A_ ban, either, so they went all out.

hey EVERYONE MAKE SURE TO BUY YOUR JESKAI ASCENDENCY AND GLITTERING WISHES BEFORE ITS NUMBUH ONE DECK LMAO ITS A COMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>45018122

Thats will never happen anon, go buy your shitty combo sso I can laugh at how retarded you were on buying useless cards after the ban.

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>>45018122
>>45018234

Samefagging this hard.

So what you guys are telling me is that it's time to shotcall my scg regionals with TurboFog???

>>45018698
post list.

MONOWHITE PILLOW FORT IS THE NEW META SPREADTHE WORD

New bread pls. More epic memes await
Make it glittering wish edition

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#justgreendeckthings

>>45018834
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/turbo-fogerino-competetive-fogs/

>>45019041
>has 2 titans out
>no Kessig run

How can people be so bad?

>>45019108
he got turn 3 emrakul both other games so rip

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>>45019115
>>45019115

New thread

>>45013037
nice bait, no one can be this retarded
I won't fall for your lies

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>>45016301
>They are never and I repeat never banning any aggro card
New in town?