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“A strong abyssal force is going to pass through the Sunda Strait in under 48 hours,” you announce.
Admirals Goto and Thomas pause mid-conversation, turning to stare at you like you're insane.
“You know this how?” Thomas asks, giving you a funny look.
“The Algorithm,” Parker says, his haggard look and hollow eyes lending credence to the lofty, echoing words. While they stare at him, looking slightly disturbed, you step forward and flatten out a paper map of the South Pacific. “Look. Abyssals here - bumfuck nowhere - more indicators here - right near the Strait. The Strait of Malacca is locked down tight; the whole thing's one long shooting gallery for coastal artillery. This is the place to pass, if they want to get anywhere.”
“The hell are they going, though?” Thomas asks.
“Does it matter? We've committed 7th fleet to the Iwo operation right now; they'd never get down there in time. If they're aiming to land somewhere sparsely populated, like Mindanao-”
“We could catch them in the Celebes Sea,” Goto points out. “Or the Sulu sea, if they sail west around Indonesia.”
“With what? What do we have in the area?” you point out. “Most of our offensive firepower is in 7th fleet, and it's committed. We don't have any NBEs down there because ASEAN would rather tongue-kiss a fucking chainsaw than host Japanese ships at their ports - especially ships of *that* vintage. We need to buy time, and that's the last good choke point to do it at. If we rush a force by air down there now, we might plug that gap with ASEANs help, but something as wide as the Makassar-”
Thomas pauses you with an uplifted palm, frowning. “I see your point Settle, but we don't even know what we're trying to stop. A battlegroup? Carriers? Landing force?”
You swallow. “My suspicion is a landing force.”
“Based on what?”
Based on the freeform interpretation of a fucking lunatic who fancies himself a Viking because he glued horns onto his jar doesn't strike you as something to convince the commander of 7th Fleet, so you try your best to look thoughtful for a moment. “They're coming from the middle of nowhere - maybe not on the surface yet, we don't really know how they get around just yet - but the fleet that attacked us near Iwo had support vessels. Parker's data picked out at *least* twenty vessels, maybe far more - they've always stuck to one, maybe two divisions when they launch coastal raids. This is a lot bigger. I think they'll need logistics for this one, and they'll need to proceed on the surface, like actual ships do.”
Thomas beetles his brows. “That's an awful lot of 'I Think', Settle.”
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>20 minutes isn't "soon" enough
millennial twitter-generation scrub who probably unironically listens to Green Day
Hopefully one of the girls soaks her head in wine. That's supposed to bring good luck according to sailor's superstitions, which we cannot denounce due to the spoopy shit going on with the abyssals. Try everything.
You shake your head. “Why do some of them come back as horrid ugly monsters, and the others come back as creepy-looking, fully-intact hulls? Why do they change form when they close in on our girls, and return to full dimensions when fighting steel ships? They can summon stormclouds and just appear out of nowhere and do all this *insane shit,* so how is it they haven't rolled us up already?”
“They've never attacked in force before,” Thomas replies. “It's just raids.”
“Right. And the first big fleet we see, they're keeping formation, they're toting oilers, they're acting just like we would...” you shake your head. “The ones that go all blobby and monstery... the leveling effect... all of it, all this *weird* shit we struggle with - it's all just window-dressing, in the end. They're spirits. They're *entities.* And they *must* have a hard limit on how much energy they can expend, because if they didn't, we wouldn't have a goddamned chance.”
Thomas thinks on that, his face darkening - a lot of people have thrown a lot of theories around in the last sixteen months, and unsaid, under all the theorycrafting and strategizing and war-planning has been the unspoken dread that there *is* no chance against the abyssals, that they haven't wiped out humanity do to their own inconceivable motives, not because of any inherent balance of force. The existence of shipgirls has been the only counterweight to that, one that balances its entire immense bulk on the fulcrum point of shipgirls themselves going abyssal. You glance at Shigure, her head bowed, hands twisting nervously in her lap, and feel a sudden pang of sadness - shoulders that small should never, ever have to carry a burden like that.
“... continue,” Thomas says at length.
[muffled sounds of angry scrapping]
You point at Shigure. “The first thing they pointed out when shipgirls started strolling into ports was that the abyssals and the girls must have a common origin.” The small destroyer looks up, startled, shrinking closer to Jintsuu. “Obvious conclusion, but the implication's that whatever triggered this... event, it's universal. It doesn't take sides. It's a function of the natural world, just part we don't understand yet. You remember the Stargate project?”
“No, the CIA project.”
“They had the same damn problem every psychic they put on TV has. They describe things far too accurately for it to be chance, but without any context to make it useful. Like...” you snap your fingers. “Remember that general or whoever that was kidnapped in the Balkans? They held him in an apartment under a blue tarp for weeks?”
“... vaguely, why?”
“The government spookymen-” you make two antenna with your fingers and waggle them against your forehead - “kept saying he was under a blue tent. Their abilities worked, but we just don't understand the underlying physical principles well enough to develop any meaningful refinement in procedure. We can't make them *operationally* useful.”
“Where are you-”
“But we DO know a few basic laws of the goddamn universe,” you cut off your superior officer brusquely, “ones that seem to be obeyed damn near everywhere, and one of those is, it's impossible to destroy matter or energy, only change its forms. These fuckers can change form really easily, but there is a *limit to how much they can cheat.* And maybe operating in large groups equals a reduction of their ability to just teleport wherever they want, or show up out of thin air, or play their usual fucking games. In fact, it *has* to, because if not, we'd be dead already.”
Thomas considers that.
“Okay. You want to send a force down there. By air?”
“The only real option.”
Setting is perfect, dropping on target coordinates.
Also, ArtRage > FreshPaint.
>Based on the freeform interpretation of a fucking lunatic who fancies himself a Viking because he glued horns onto his jar
WELDED YOU FUCK. I WELDED THEM TO PLATES BOLTED TO MY FUCKING POT.
Which is long, long gone, somewhere in some sandy fucking locale. I'm sure you can figure it the fuck out.
“We've got a C-5 on standby for this kind of thing,” Thomas says, “but only one. Given the risk to aircraft and crew *and* Hulls on-board if they, uh, go metallic, the Air Force is only willing to fly so much potential tonnage. You won't have much to work with.”
“At the Sunda Strait, we won't *need* much,” you point out. “But that's our best place to stop them.”
“Right.” Thomas looks at Goto. “I'd give him the go-ahead, but most of what we've got to sling is coming from your roster.”
“I think he's right,” Goto replies. “And in the worst-case scenario, we just turn the C-5 around and bring them back tomorrow, you know?”
Goto pulls out his own tablet computer, and you are soon sitting next to each other, scribbling in memo pads as you go down the list of available shipgirls.
“Takao and co. are out,” Goto grumbles, “but we still have Mogami, Mikuma, Chokai - even Hamp, if he's game.” He checks his numbers. “That'd be most of our tonnage right there, though. We could send a few destroyers to screen them, but that's it.”
“Destroyers are handier in the strait, and the shallows.”
“True,” Goto says, tapping his legal pad nervously. You're both thinking the same thing - hard not to, with Shigure sitting so near - but neither of you want to say it. The Strait will likely be a dusk-to-night battle - much like Guadalcanal, a knife-fight in a phone booth. Those fights are point-blank affairs... and destroyers are fragile. Darkness gives them the best cover to get close and deliver their torpedoes, but escaping again is another matter. The importance of escort screens arises from lethal fish swimming through dark waters - destroyers are for absorbing the initial blows as much as meting them out.
Mindanao, for all its rep as a moro warzone, is considered as the fruit basket of the Philippines. In addition to a lot of untapped resources, it also has very strategic dock facilities (GenSan being one example) that can easily be exploited for a strike to anywhere in the southern areas of Southeast Asia.
That being said, it's probably fairly okay in-universe because of the abyssal threat, but with this assault force coming, it's going to be worse than what the insurgency has done to it.
Losses are endemic to military operations - completely one-sided battles between foes at rough parity are very scarce indeed, in history. It's a lot easier to accept the loss of an asset, or a warship - they rarely go down with all hands, especially in the modern age - but now every pennant number has a face, and a voice, and a *presence* attached.
The sweat chills in the cold blow of the air conditioning vent above you, chilling your neck and sending a shiver down your spine. You blot it away with your sleeve, thinking.
“What about larger ships?”
“We've only got Arizona, really,” Goto points out.
Goto frowns. “The Strait is pretty shallow for battleships - dotted with little islands, too. And she doesn't turn that well to begin with.”
“Unparalleled in a slug-fest, though.”
“Also a great target for torpedoes, there.” He muses. “Arizona's speed won't matter here, she's got superior shell count per salvo, and she's built for brawling. Kongou and her sisters just won't do here; they don't have the armor for it.” Goto sighs. “Plus, we send a battleship... we might squeeze in a few destroyers, and that's it. That's everything. Sure we can't use cruisers?”
“Their armor isn't much better,” you point out. “Not in a slugfest, at those ranges. Hamp doesn't carry torpedoes. Yours do, but they either loose their fish early or risk having them blow their own decks apart in the ensuing gun battle. And they're easier to spot before they're in range.”
“They do maneuver well,” Goto counters. “And they've got good firepower, regardless.”
“What about us?”
You and Goto both turn. Jintsuu is leaning in, her expression serious. “Us. Light cruisers.”
“... what about you?”
“We've got a lot more tonnage and reserve buoyancy than a destroyer,” she points out. “We can take a torpedo and actually survive, destroyers almost never can. We sling more guns, heavier ones, we're almost as fast and maneuverable, and you can send more of us than heavy cruisers.”
You and Goto share a glance.
“How much do you displace, again?” you ask.
Jintsuu narrows her eyes. “Are you asking a lady's weight, Admiral?”
“Bout five-thousand tons,” Goto adds.
“She does have a point. We've got plenty on hand - they're not as good as destroyers in littorals, not with their handling and sound gear. Kitakami and Oooi, Tenryuu, Tatsuta, Jintsuu here and her sisters - we could put together a pretty handy force with just that.”
[ ] Classic setup - cruisers and destroyers, torpedo/gun line.
[ ] Go big or go home - Arizona or Yamato with two/three destroyers to screen.
[ ] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza.
They already have their own ride, anon.
I SQUEALED LIKE A BITCH. That is some VERY nice work, especially the planes in the foreground. Damn nice, anon!
I can't think of any reason not to go with the classic setup.
Do the abyssals have some special advantage that might be a problem here?
>[ ] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza
Prewar doctrine for both the US and Japan was that night battles were CL territory. Let's go with that. And every fucking corgi we can pack onto that plane and still get it off the ground backing them up.
>Battleships with light cruisers to screen
>They already have their own ride, anon.
>[x] Pick&Mix - Cruisers with Light cruiser escorts and Corgis to fill in the need for torpedoes. also bring Sammy B, she's best at these kinds of fights.
>[X] Classic setup - cruisers and destroyers, torpedo/gun line.
Unleash the Sendai!
>[ ] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza.
Not just that.
Control of Mindanao gives the Abyssals ease of access to Sabah. They can strike the oil-rich state in force without much trouble for logistics, because Sabah is literally our backyard.
What squadron is that Rhino from?
>[x] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza.
If anything, letting battle-weary, but victorious human Marines would probably be better, as they were the ones who were fighting on the ground, and it demonstrates that WE as a species can overcome anything.
>[x] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza. PT boats included.
So Japan doesn't have PT boats at all then?
>[X] Classic setup - cruisers and destroyers, torpedo/gun line.
Don't remind me of those whiners who are threatening to quit if one Allied ship appears in the game.
Not that they can stop it. The Iowa-class is coming.
>implying hulls aren't the future of humanity
However, you're probably right.
>The Sendai Sisters were *built* for this kind of fight.
Were they actually built well though?
I don't know enough about the ships to know if they actually perform that action as well as their creators intended.
>They can't stop the FREEDOM any more than they could stop the endless streams of B-29s torching their cities.
>[ ] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza.
The battle will be decided by torpedoes. So, let's send the Torpedo Lesbians to do their thing.
Also maybe we can get some conventional assets in support? Surely the B52 or B1 has been given a naval strike capability by now, and maybe a nuclear sub or two around Singapore could sprint for the area of operations? Maybe some fighters could be quickly shifted to Indonesian fields for support?
Okay, for those who keep mentioning 'nuke the bastards' (which hasn't come up in this thread yet, but hell with it), the continued existence of Terry means that the Abyssals can play the WMD game far better than we can. Explanation in next post.
If we are using destroyers and CLs we can take a play from the modern play book.
Iirc there are several anchorages in that area that huge container vessels are anchored. We can use them to mask our approach at night and as cover to ambush the abyssal fleet.
Also guys, is there anything the Abyssals could throw at us that might warrant a BB or something other than light cruisers? Either in terms of ships or equipment?
Could the Abyssals counter the torpedoes somehow?
Just throwing this out there in case people smarter than me know the answers.
>Also maybe we can get some conventional assets in support? Surely the B52 or B1 has been given a naval strike capability by now, and maybe a nuclear sub or two around Singapore could sprint for the area of operations? Maybe some fighters could be quickly shifted to Indonesian fields for support?
You don't have to worry about that. The locals will be bringing their toys to this one too.
Perfect goddamn book when you're 'asked' to 'watch' Desdiv6 right around 2000.
I got better fucking shit to do. Like see how many noise complaints i can get by hitting the fucking battlewagon range at night.
Kagerou a cute
>Also guys, is there anything the Abyssals could throw at us that might warrant a BB or something other than light cruisers?
Not anything that would handle well in confined, shallow, island-dotted straits, no. This is perfect terrain for DDs, CLs and PT boats.
>groups of MTBs to harass and report on enemy strength and location
>squadrons of destroyers and light cruisers to break up the formation and knock out its escorts
>heavy cruiser division up front to keep enemy destroyers and light cruisers away from the final line
>battleships in the rear, sailing slowly back and forth, pounding everything that comes within range
Planefag, can you give us rough numbers of what assets we can expect from ASEAN?
Also curiously, does the Abyssal situation mean that ASEAN has moved closer to a EU type organisation?
>[X] light cruisers (My time to shine!)
This is not the time for a solid, very hitable wall. This is NIGHT! BATTLE! and we need to be prepared for such.
What we need in this is plenty of manuverability and torpedoes. Having a ship like Yamato or even Arizona will just mean it's easier to hit, and worse, easier to see. And thus, making this ambush into a slugfest. Something we DO NOT NEED.
>[X] CLs, the light is green
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
We are sorely outclassed here. Remember how goddamn interconnected our society is via technology?
Terror and Erebus have a goddamn smartphone (at least, I'm assuming that's what Erebus looted off that dead sailor, given damn near everybody has one nowadays). They could literally record a song, upload it onto Youtube, and make the musical version of The Ring/a lethal [brown note-esque] music video.
Remember how Taylor Swift (or some other big-name music star) uploaded that nine-second-or-some-shit-like-that snip of one of their new albums, and it hit the top of the iTunes leaderboards for downloads within the first day of release? Something like that. Title the video "Half-Life 3 Launch Trailer" to ensure damn near maximum dispersal, with a few seconds of Half-Life soundbytes at the start to actually grab the listener's attention and prevent them from closing the [tab]/[window] right off the bat.
A literal suicide-inducing (or murder-rage inducing) [memetic?] attack. This is a civilization-killing weapon, guys.
More elaboration later.
Pay close attention to Jintsuu's wording- she didn't say they were better armored or anything, just that by being larger than a destroyer they were a bit harder to sink outright.
Unfortunately not a strategy we have the lift capability to pull off for this fight.
Logistics, logistics, logistics.
I think we're going to have plenty of torpedoes between the CLs and PT boats.
As long as everybody doesn't blow their load at once or something.
Oh, you're just the twat who's yelled about how the Abyss can obviously kill us all instantly even though they haven't, so often that planefag mentioned and spoke against the notion in-quest.
>[ ] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza.
I can't not push the Tenryuu & Tatsuta button.
I know, I live in this place.
But the one thing that might start the region down that path would be a massive external threat that didn't come from one of the major superpowers that the various countries in the region cozy up to.
Fun fact I just found
More than 17,000 U.S. Navy sunken ship and aircraft wrecks exist worldwide. The wrecks may represent war graves, harbor state secrets or be of other historical value. The wreck sites may also represent environmental or safety hazards if, for instance, the sunken vessels are leaking oil or contain unexploded ammunition.
Quote unquote "busy" and I made the fucking mistake of not being able to provide a thing I was doing. She popped up pretty fucking quick after one of the gremlins started complaining about a monster in her closet and I handed her a live fucking frag.
>Planefag, can you give us rough numbers of what assets we can expect from ASEAN?
That'll be discussed in more detail in the story posts, but the gist of it here:
You can count on excellent air support from Indonesia (and Malaysian fighters operating from Indonesian bases.) The Indonesians are operating Su-27s/30s from the old naval air base at Surabaya. Thailand and Signapore both possess some pretty modern frigates, and almost all the ASEAN nations operate sizable numbers of corvettes and fast-attack missile boats; all of which will operate quite well in the shallow waters.
>she didn't say they were better armored or anything, just that by being larger than a destroyer they were a bit harder to sink outright.
Because Japanese Light Cruisers were Destroyer Leaders rather than proper Cruisers. If you look at the Tenryuus, but especially the Kumas and Sendais they're just overgrown destroyers. Same torpedo layout, 5.5" guns in unprotected turrets, no real armor to speak of.
>[ ] Go big or go home - Arizona or Yamato with two/three destroyers to screen.
I don't trust miss ASW and the other Sendais to do this. You can never go wrong with battlewagons.
>guys guys they can attack us with killer memes
Uh no. Planefag was pretty explicit in that this Abyssal thing is pretty much a repeat of WW2 where the Abyssals are Japan and the rest of the world is the US.
The Abyssals getting fucked is only a matter of time as the world adjusts to the shit they pulled and begins to outpace them.
Yes, I am copying this from a... different site. One that doesn't have a limit to how many characters one can put into a post.
Congratulations, this has managed to completely and utterly terrify me. I have more goddamn ideas on how this shit could be implemented too - ranging from hijacking, say, the fucking OWN/radio channels, tapping into the underwater communication cables, or - and this is the creepiest one of all - going out, buying a PS4/Xbone/PC, jumping into the most populated multiplayer games (Call of Duty, Halo, Battlefield, CS, TF2, etc.) and beginning to sing over TEAMCOM.
Course, the veteran players are pros at muting their microphones the second something horrible pops up on them, but the noobs/six-year-old squeakers/people like me, who keep the fucking channel open [s]so that they can actually call out shit for their team that don't listen/acknowledge[/s] anyway?
THIS IS THEIR FUCKING COUNTER TO US IF WE DROP NUKES
WE DROP NUKES THEY TURN US INTO FUCKING REAVERS
>Go big or go home - Arizona or Yamato with two/three destroyers to screen.
>Because Japanese Light Cruisers were Destroyer Leaders rather than proper Cruisers.
This, exactly. The old-fashioned "protected cruiser" of the pre-dread era typically displaced around 5,000 tons. Which is roughly what these CLs displaced. American CLs displaced much closer to 10,000 tons, the same amount as their heavy cruisers - the CL/CA dichotomy was more about armament and intended role, not size.
Due to that, however, the CLs can be thought of as Super Destroyers, in certain contexts.
Exactly, the abyssals don't really seem the type to lull someone into a false sense of security. They're more likely to see a weapon pop up, and fling it worth the force of a thousand creeped out girls.
>rekt if the enemy has even a few capital ships
>light cruiser bonanza
>rekt if the enemy brings heavy cruisers or battlecruisers
>go big or go home
>powerful battleships armed guns big enough to destroy any potential capital ship attack, armor to take hits, and torpedo defenses that allow them to not fucking explode at the drop of a hat
>each one also basically has a light cruisers worth of secondaries strapped to each side
>supported by DD's that harass enemy attempts at torpedo attack
best option DESU
Well, daily reminder that Shoukaku has a twin sister.
Well duh of course Shoukaku had a sister...it's just that said sister is a turkey.
There's obviously a reason as to why the Abyssals haven't pulled this shit (outside of author fiat). Maybe they want a 'conventional' (for some degree of the word) victory?
That restriction may damn well be lifted if we pull out our own WMDs.
As I said, they can potentially play the WMD game far better than we could. This is 'drink a glass of water and your enemies die' level of pest control here.
Best part was the look she gave me when I said told her how a true norsewoman *never* backs down, and a sheildmaiden is just as welcome in the line as a brother in arms.
... Pretty sure she'd have gone for it if I'd let her use my axe, too.
They talk too fucking much.
did they at least frag the monster before the responsible adults arrived?
I was making a joke about Daimo-kun looking like a color-swapped shoukaku, man!
You know what's weird. Maybe the shipgirls going to battle should pour a bottle of wine over their heads. Sailor superstition holds that pouring wine on the deck gives good luck to a ship, and with all the spoopy shit going on, I wouldn't discount anything.
>aren't the locals a bunch of slant eyed dirt scrapers 'flying' leftover soviet garbage held together with prayer beads and jb weld?
Actually, no, they're not. Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore have all conducted joint training exercises with the US, year after year, including big wargames. They're also rapidly modernizing their forces in light of China's aggression.
Except we've already tried nukes, so your (or whoever wrote this silliness) tinfoil hatting is blatantly incorrect. The WMD cat is already out of the bag.
"We've hit the Rift with nukes before" has been mentioned by Planefag himself in reference to this, unless my memory is mistaken. Which it might be, but eh. Point is that the theory's wrong.
Clownpiece will make 2hu great again
>[ ] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza + pt boates
Seems like the best option considering our tonnage restrictions. My only concern is that some of the Japanese CL's aren't really much more than glorified destroyers.
Yea but this is an air force that had readiness levels of a number of its assets at almost nil.
I'm just having abit of trouble seeing them modernising their force in such a short time but i guess thats wartime fire under the ass for you.
It's a reference mate.
There's no 'rift' in KCQ
Singapore has a squadron of these, the SH-60s are for ASW. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Fayette-class_frigate
Official Planefag Statement:
"Shut up about the fucking nukes already asshole jesus christ thanks."
What? Protecting it's territorial waters is considered aggression now?
>Yeah, I'm a bit worried that the consensus has moved, but it's not like battlewagons don't have their own weaknesses- like massed destroyers.
It's not like we aren't asking for problems with the vote.
If you know of weaknesses in the plans you need to speak up, sooner rather than later preferably.
So if the Abyssals bring a truckload of DDs, how would that be best dealt with?
I've been reading the same quest. I know what the quote is from, separately. It was used in a non-story post to reference the use of nukes prior to the quest. Again, unless I misunderstood what PF was getting at, but I don't know what other reason the reference would have shown up for.
>Let's nuke the Abyssals
Have you forgotten Operation Fucking Crossroads? The big dick-waving exercise by the Air Force to prove "we don't need to stiiinking Navy" in the age of nuclear power Notice how the Navy still exists?
Yeah, nuking fleets isn't all that effective, and that's for surface fleets crewed by squishy meatbags, not eldritch fleets that can dive to minimise blast effects and prompt radiation and are crewed by who-the-hell-knows-what-if-anything.
>[X] My Time To Shine - Light Cruiser bonanza.
>Everyone going for oversized destroyers
This will go horribly.
KTKM would have a chance of doing something useful, but the Sendais are worth less than its scrap.
I am sure my sister is more than able and willing to teach the young ones the ways of the sword. But an axe is an undignified weapon for a young girl. I say a spear is a much better weapon for them.
To be fair, naval territory is somewhat of a gong show.
For instance, the Northwest passage runs through the islands that is Canadian territory. But other nations decided that the sea between islands are not Canadian.
Chinese do have some historical claims on these lands, as do others.
THERE'S A FUCKING HOOK IN THE GODDAMN POST, HOW DENSE ARE YOU
There's going to be weaknesses in any plan we do just because of our transport limitations. Our allies and our trump card can counterweigh those weaknesses somewhat. With how little we know, I can't think of a 'best' option here
I'll clarify to 'there's no rift that we know about'
Ah. Okay. Thanks for the clarification.
Aye, that was my reaction at first... before it sunk in just how goddamn scary that shit would be.
Any civilization with widespread communication technologies would be at risk of instant indoctrination.
But that's water under the bridge now. Thanks for the clarification, Melpomene.
It is always wise to keep one's mind open to all potential possibilities. Becoming fixated on a single target or objective often blinds one to potential changes in the current theater of operations.
(TL;DR, other GMs have pulled 'WMDs fall all friendlies die' tricks before when victory seemed assured.)
This really, the only thing an air burst nuke (Which is what all modern nukes are) would do to an abyssal is a lot of surface damage and irradiate it... and Abyssals don't have conventional crews that you can microwave to death.
It might take out a few turrets and damage the ships but it won't sink anything heavier than a frigate.
>Chinese do have some historical claims on these lands
"EVERYTHING THE LIGHT TOUCHES IS OUR KINGDOM."
"BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT SHADOWY PLACE OVER THERE, DADDY?"
"THAT IS MINDANAO, SON. YOU MUST NEVER GO THERE."
>"We've hit the Rift with nukes before" has been mentioned by Planefag himself in reference to this, unless my memory is mistaken. Which it might be, but eh. Point is that the theory's wrong.
That is not referring to this story.
I think it was meant in the sence that "we nuked it before we can nuke it again".
Nuking fleets is effective, just not extremely effective.
Also diving to minimize the effects? How damaging is an underwater nuclear blasts to other ships/subs underwater?
>Give the CLs radar.
Can we do this, Planefag?
I think we didn't give enough time to the whole idea of upgrading our ship girls, especially in Naka's case.
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
Let's hope they at least sink Jintsuu so something good comes out of this.
>I think it was meant in the sence that "we nuked it before we can nuke it again".
I can't agree - its only real use is to express ZE WARHEADS, ZEY DO NOTHING regarding nukes vs Abyssals. So a reference to the futility of trying more as things stand. We stopped because they weren't working.
That's an interesting point.
What effect would nukes have on the fairies inside the Abyssals?
AFAIK we put animals on the ships for Crossroads, but I don't remember any information about how they were affected by the blast or radiation.
The idea is that CL's will be able to tank a hit or two while still being pretty fast and bringing loadsa torps - while PT boats strike like wraiths in the night and rek anything that enters the littorals
There's a part of me that's willing to bet that a modern nuclear weapon with a yield many times higher than that of a 40's era nuke would have a much larger impact. literally and figuratively.
Has anyone tried greasing up Shimakaze and playing water polo with her?
Well shit, that's Christmas shopping for YOU done.
>From the journey of a eunuch from 600 years ago
>Getting tribute from states that no longer exist
>Representative of a political entity which was supplanted three times
>Current entity maintains fiction by dropping faked markers into ocean
>I hope your joking anon
Please sink and/or corrupt Essex.
All American Admirals
We gonna start thinking with chemical warfare now?
So in light of the mention of China, have we gotten a look at how the Abyssals have affected other areas of world geopolitics?
Has China absorbed the DPRK or did they reunify or are they still just sitting there with their thumbs up their even-tighter asses?
Is Russia still being a general whiny bitch and trying to fuck with Ukraine? Have they crowned Putin Czar yet?
How's the situation with ISIS? The Syrian Civil War? All the general fuckery in Africa?
Are the Argentinians still bitching about the Falklands?
>Dredging up artificial islands,
You can do that?
Well the Burke captains seem to be really eager with WP rounds to use against exposed crew they can't see or verify exist, so it must have had SOME effect in post-battle reviews.
Well, Naka's don't seem to have gotten fucked up yet
Now that the votes are counted we can open the betting pool.
So, what shipslut(s) is going to buy the farm tonight?
Yep. Most of the new islands in the Spratlys were made by China in the recent two or three years. It's basic land reclamation, only this time it's too far away from the mainland.
>Well, Naka's don't seem to have gotten fucked up yet
Have we seen Naka's fairies recently? Well, the pilot I guess, but that's just one and a special one at that. Are we sure there isn't some abyssalized mutiny brewing?
Do shipgirls even have a brig?
Nothing, as far as I know.
According to the tenuously canon manga, even shooting down fairy planes doesn't kill them because they bail out beforehand.
In my headcanon they're a sort of homonculus unconsciously made by the ships from sailor souls, so they don't actually have functional biology, they're just living chibi things.
They were pretty fine. Turns out that inches worth of steel armor thick enough to stop artillery-grade shells is plenty of protection against lethal doses of ionizing radiation.
>Are the Argentinians still bitching about the Falklands?
Dude. You get to ask that after I write a setting where the sun starts orbiting the Earth, and not before.
Naka wants to feel useful. This is her time to sing~
Also, I hope you're not forgetting that we voted for PT boats too.
SENDAIS ARE USELESS PEOPLE
YOU COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS
>Has China absorbed the DPRK or did they reunify or are they still just sitting there with their thumbs up their even-tighter asses?
DPRK still exists, I think.
>Is Russia still being a general whiny bitch and trying to fuck with Ukraine? Have they crowned Putin Czar yet?
>How's the situation with ISIS? The Syrian Civil War? All the general fuckery in Africa?
Hate has said that ISIS got rekt, I'd assume that the other two got sorted out.
>Are the Argentinians still bitching about the Falklands?
Yes, why wouldn't they?
>modern nuclear weapon with a yield many times higher than that of a 40's era nuke
>modern nuclear weapons
You may want to look up the current nuclear arsenal, anon. All are sub-Megaton, most ate double-digit kiloton.
Hey Naka, i've got a special picture for you.
You do realize I don't use a spear myself. The young DD are still too young to properly handle my type of weapon.
Although I would like to go hand to hand with you. In bed
You were really over thinking this.
The magical effect won't work through a recording that's why Parker isn't trying to eat Seattle's brains.
Secondly there is most likely a diminishing effect per the number of people targeted.
So Naka worrying about making an entire stadium pledge their loyality to her isn't likely to happen... at least not because of her powers.
Willie's prize fighter was in her brig, if I remember correctly.
Planefag she hasn't healed at all I did not intend to send her with her sisters and even if we did Wainright would save us from that oversight of idiocy by cracking our bad leg open planefag
>nobody attacks you because you show up as friendly on everyone's IFF
Why not sing a song for everyone and make them stop fighting?
Yes you can and Yes they are doing so right now.
SINCE I'M SURE NAKA'S MIND CONTROL SINGING IS ON MIND...
Is it possible for her to both use it beneficially for our ship girls and against the Abyssals?
The only thing I can compare the idea to is Battle Meditation from Star Wars.
Share your thoughts, Naka-chan.
Was under the assumption that Settle would know better (ha) than to deploy Naka, given how he decided to not get her to listen to Parker's Abyssal sonartap recordings.
Also the fact that, as stated, CLs can take a slight bit more punishment than DDs (though not much).
Though if Naka loses her sisters in this engagement, and wasn't there to lend assistance... yeah, this could turn out bad no matter which way one cuts it.
Either Sendai and Naka become fucking Valkyries of song and fire, or we will have a lot less shipsluts to worry about when we get back.
This can go either horribly wrong or EPIC TWEESTY.
Museum of Civilization near Ottawa is amazing. They had a temporary exhibit on Terror and Erebus when I was there. They had a PhD student who was doing the research as the exhibit guide too.
Maritime museum in Vancouver is kind of shit. ROM or Royal BC Museum is better.
everybody on that planet died horribly
Because they'd be big fat unmaneuverable targets that get torpedoed to all hell because they can't lay down enough of a volume of fire to stop the enemy torpedo runs. "In the daytime, just a few guns can break an enemy torpedo attack. At night, not even all the guns in the world can."
Leaving Naka behind may be bad too. Her sisters are going out to die, and because of issues, she can't go with them. Probably not the best for her less than stable psyche.
Or something along those lines.
I just realized something.
1. the abyssals are dirty cheating fuckers.
2. Even if a force comp APPEARS Ideal - the abyssals will cheat a wildcard into play, like they did by taking Iwo by suprise and pulling SUDDENLY PREDREADS in the first skirmish.
So no matter what, We'll be facing something unexpected. BB's were probably best to deal with that. (Unless BB's were what the abyssals were planning on cheating against)
>estimated 475 KT yield
>operation crossroads max yield was 23 KT
Just saying that something twenty times more powerful would make quite a bit of difference. Probably.
AM I A UNIT OF MEASUREMENT NOW? AM I FUCKING METRIC OR IMPERIAL SHITBURGER?
Oh good. Then maybe you can fucking explain why you felt you needed to lecture us on some stupid fucking shit everyone fucking knows, dipshit. Don't fucking worry, we'll fucking wait.
Spears have their place in the wall. That's fucking it. I'll take an axe over a spear one on one any day of the week and I'll fucking win everytime, too.
Let's not bet on things like that.It's nice if they happen, but don't plan around someone riding to rescue you who you've never met and has never met you and who migth not exist at all.
I've been to Nauticus and the Maritime Museum in Norfolk and Newport News respectively. Both good, although Nauticus is more for children than anyone else, although they do have USS Wisconsin as well, lots of kiddies around there. The Maritime Museum is all about the history of sailing on the seas and especially the USS Navy. The USS Monitor's turret and guns are there.
... And then Settle will rage summon some other ship into existence, or allied human forces will pull off some crazy stunt to turn the tides, or any number of deus ex machina to counter the diablos ex machina.
There is a whole doujin. Check it out.
1: No, and 2: No.
Putting aside the unknown variables--does it work on them, will it hit friendlies, what if it backfires--it just plain disgusts and horrifies me and I never ever want to do it again.
Ugh. If you put it like that? I need to be there. If this is how the Sendai class goes--you know, again--I'm not watching it happen and losing my shit. I'd rather die first.
There was a book I read somewhere or another where the main character was told that if he was backed up against a cliff with a crazed axeman charging him, he was to jump off the cliff. It would be less messy.
>take a less maneuverable and less versatile weapon with a limited number of cuts, which are less deadly than thrusts and slower
>Win every time
lolno you will die more often than not, Learn to HEMA
>I need to be there
Aha, well, shit. Maybe Wayne will stop us. Maybe you'll get shot up again and that'll clear all the blue funk from your system. Maybe something nice will happen.
>filename and shooping
>implying DDs are OP
Anon plz. DDs are nerfed to FUCK. How do you neutralize DDs? Simple:
1] Maintain situation awareness (have your team scout for the little bastards and find them early)
2] Cooperate with your cruisers (they're *designed* to protect the heavies by killing destroyers)
3] When you know there's a DD around, assume you're under torpedo attack and move accordingly (i.e. DODGE)
Anon, two handed axes in the hands of heavy infantry will SHRED through enemy formations. The main trick is to not throw them up against a phalanx or a pike wall, and instead have them hit from the sides.
>it just plain disgusts and horrifies me and I never ever want to do it again.
You need to make your weaknesses into strengths, Naka-chan.
If you could sing together with other allies to have your magic weirdness boost everyone's capabilities, it would be great.
And it might help protect your sisters' lives.
Naka singing the Star Spangled Banner to bring some Freedom.
WHY WOULD ANYTHING GOOD
Then again, you're also launching extremely short range because your torps suck all that is ass. Seriously, I'd rather face off against a Jap destroyer launching from 12km away than an American destroyer popping around the corner 2km away and shotgunning me.
Not really, even dane axes had pretty thin and light heads. war axes are not tree felling axes, they have to be used repeatedly without completely exhausting the user. This is not to say they aren't good at killing lightly armored opponents but assuming similar armor in a one on one fight an spearman is going to have a huge advantage in reach, avenue of attack and speed of attack.
Well 'buki is by all rights a momboat like Houshou and Langley.
Also here have best 'shimo.
>Naka sings National Anthem
>all the shipgirls who listen to it stand at attention and put their hand over their heart
>afterwards they get a sudden craving for hamburgers and can speak english without an accent
>Title the video "Half-Life 3 Launch Trailer"
Eh, Queen Anne will be at her beck and call anyway, don't worry.
Which is why they hit the flanks dumb ass - it messes with the enemy formation cohesion, and just means they can roll up through an enemy formation. Against heavy infantry it's not too effective, but against your standard lightly armored spearman, they'd fucking roll over them
Essex will 'cause 'MURRICA! Who will arise to join in?
Based off the math I did for shipluts you could cram in about a thousand corgis and one jarhead into a B-52. But you would have to cut holes in it or something because there wouldn't be any room left for oxygen.
I think her reaction would be similar to finding a giant spider in your house.
AKA, noping the fuck out
Or you cruise just outside detection range and launch constant spreads at people that aren't expecting it. Even when there's 6 of them together they don't know which one will actually get torpedoed, and your detection range is insanely low when you're sealclubbing.
Low enough that you can counter other DDs.
Not really - but the Bismark Class was the rough analog of the US South Dakota class. And in a straight up gun duel, the South Dakota's would ruin a Bismark, due to more and heavier guns. Hell, their speed is pretty similar. They assigned South Dakota and Alabama as the anti-Tirpitz task force in '43 for a reason.
Try driving a Derzki - 3km torps with dinky warheads, but you get five pairs every twenty seconds. Still, I've killed so goddamn many cruisers and BBs on Islands and Big Race by mugging them at corners - and simple use of an island for cover let me get a Wyoming and a New York near the New Dawn 'A' cap.
>refueling DD's from her massive oil tanks
Something lewd is going on.
Two knot's difference isn't that big when we're talking about these ships here - remember, the 'Bama and Mysterious Battleship X were assigned to basically bottle her up, not run her down. If she tried to make a run for it, they could intercept her and pound her into oblivion before she could get away.