MTG Modern General

>>44964765
1. Sets up Miracles
2. Digs for fetchlands/Top
3. Sets up Counterbalance with prior knowledge of whether or not you need to reveal

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>also playing kiki chord and jeskai flash

ARE WE MEMEING?

>>44964792
1 and 2 can be accomplished in your opponent's turn. You're able to respond to the counterbalance trigger with brainstorm, giving you the knowledge of whether to reveal or not.

Digging for fetchlands/top is sort of an okay response, but I'd value the information gain from casting brainstorm later more.

>>44964893
1 can't be accomplished in your opponent's turn because that means you can't miracle until your next turn. 2 can't be accomplished in your opponent's turn because you can't play fetchlands or Tops in your opponent's turn.

>>44964769

Jeskai Flash?

Is lotus cobra a good card?

>>44964993
Does a bear shit in the woods?

>>44965002
Is the pope catholic?

>>44964935
I think it's fancytalk for jeskai midrange with aven mindsensors, vendillions, restoangels, snappys, basically everything with flash.
Bolt, helix, electrolyze, path, counterspells, maybe oujtais command

>>44965021
Does the pope shit bears in the woods?

>>44964918
Oops, meant 1 and 3.

If you're trying to miracle in your opponent's turn, that means you have some other form of card draw. If it's a top, I'd still save brainstorm for the opponent's turn.

But if all you've got in your hand is a brainstorm, you should cast it on your opponent's turn.

>>44965071
you could even toss in kiki and maybe some exarchs/pestermites.
I like Kikichord, it's a combo deck that can hold off aggro better than the other combo decks.

>>44964769
Seems similar to what it was before atleast at my FNM. Blue seemed pretty unpopular at my FNM even before the twin ban, at my FNM and just months prior twin was everywhere.

>>44965233
Do bears give the Pope Detroit Steamer's in the woods?

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Pulled this guy. What do?

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Now that twin is nerfed do you guys think they could print an op counter?
Imagine pic related but somehow for delver. maybe a UUW counter for control? Pls buff blue maro

>>44965387
Sell now before people realize he's shit

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>>44964882
Nah. I've been playing Kiki-Chord since Pia and Kiran Nalaar and it's tons of fun. I'm happy people are finally seeing how great the deck is and how awesome Restoration Angel is in the meta. Lets us find the best list possible.

Jeskai Flash is us being memes, however. Love both of these decks.

>>44965387
Build UR Surge/ Juri En/ Card Draw/ Chasm Skulker, which is what I'm doing. I didn't even think to use that dude, thanks!

Or keep that little guy. I think he could be worth a little bit of money in foil here in a year or two.

>>44965417
2 mana counter wouldn't be enough to make control viable. You cannot close out games fast enough for them to just go off a second time and kill you.

We would need sometimes like Baleful Strix and Flusterstorm printed for modern to even make it a consideration.

>>44965387
keep it for jeskai ascendancy

>>44964769
Tried Kiki-Chord and got fucked by mass removal.

I'm liking UWR Resto-Kiki better.

>>44965548
Why would you use him in Jeskai Ascendancy?

>>44965548
Wait what kind of jeskass you talkin' 'bout

>>44965071
Jeskai Flash is Jeskai Control featuring the full playset of Restoration Angel and 0-4 Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker.

>>44965071
>>44965709
Seems like it could be the new twin.

Is it fun?

>>44965740
Yes. There is no stock list yet, so you'll need to make your own if you want to play it. Or you wait two weeks for the Pro Tour faggots to brew the best version for you.

>>44964993
It's insane in the right deck. Fetch lands ramp you like crazy and knight/prime/Genesis wave make it go bonkers

>>44965433
Speaking of Kiki chord is there any chance Krasis could see play in there? Temur Twin could run him, but could he work in Kikichord?

>>44965887
Kiki-Chord is usually Naya or Naya Black. I assume you could go a Naya Blue version like Kiki Pod, but I'm not convinced Krasis provides enough value for the deck.

>>44965887
I thought about that and tried to gen up a decent build, but found that white adds a lot more than green... at least in my meta.

>>44965489
>You cannot close out games fast enough for them to just go off a second time and kill you.
What deck are you referring to here? Control in Modern plays fine against storm/bloom/goryo's style all-in combo decks. Ad Nauseam is tough because of instant speed and Pacts. Otherwise you mostly lose to Tron and Bogles and stuff. Linear decks that are hard to interact with but aren't really combos.

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>>44965740
it was the first modern deck i ever built.
here's my list.

>>44965992
>>44965989
What about a full out Kiki deck,
4 chord, 4 collected company, 4 exarch, 4 pestermite, 4 krasis, 4 resto and 4 kiki? Maybe even a Bring to Light

>>44966212
Thanks for the cringe on the file name

>>44966215
>Maybe even a Bring to Light
That card is garbage

Is there no Standard general? Has it dissapeared up its own asshole?

Someone redpill me on wastes: What cards make them worth running over other lands? Other than running walker of the wastes

>>44966290
Yeah but in the hypothetical 5c deck it would be kiki #5

>>44966351
You answered your own question. It's better to add a fucking throper foundry unless you have tech with wastes. They're for draft (or a walker of the wasteland deck which might be cool)

>>44965846
>>44965709

But that's just McLaren's deck from two years ago:
http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=7306&d=241844&f=MO

What's the new tech?

Any of you guys use xmage to test? I downloaded java and xmage, but I can't create a new account. What am I doing wrong?

>>44966358
The hypothetical deck is strictly worse than Twin.

>>44966405
*** foundry of consuls
my bad

>>44966424
Absolutely, instead of a t4 twin you get a t4 coco. It could work though

>>44966453
>>44966405

Is Walker of the Wastes the only card with direct synergy with wastes land so far?

>>44966519
One other I think, it fetches for a waste

>>44966509
>It could work though
If it could work, people would've already been doing it.

>>44966545
Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse fetch wastes.

>>44966555
You're a moron

>>44966424
Well twin is dead. It might be good enough.

>>44966519
>>44966545
There is a Sylvan crying variant that is rampant growth of you already have a wastes on the field but the are much better ramp options

>>44966555
But people already do Kikichord. I'm just thinking about a kikicocochord deck, maybe in temur colors (skip the restos) with most of the classic temur twin cards, and 4 chord 4 coco to get the combo pieces out

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i'm back motherfuckers
can't ban dredgeposting shitter mods

>>44966664
>revised swamp
>not revised forest
at least be consistent

>>44966664
>white-bordered basics
>not even the same set

Not triggered but I don't get why. Is it common for people to care that little about their decks aesthetically?

>>44966782
>>44966920
>set
>not for the art
maybe he likes how they look

>>44966920
to trigger people like you :^)

>>44966920
White border basics are much faster to fetch.

>>44966972
nobody likes 7th edition lands

>>44967021
>doesn't think Flash has the best artstyle in mtg history

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>>44966782
>>44966920
here you go buds

John Avon all the way. Especially 8th and 10th ed

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>Getting upset about other people's basic lands

Am I the only one that doesn't understand this?

>>44967428
Your deck is an extension of you.

I like mine to look aesthetic and neat. Having matching sets,art and good condition is important to me.

It irks me when cards are just crammed into a deck, especially with something as simple as basics

>>44967547
>Your deck is an extension of you.

Making a statement THIS autistic
w e w l a d

>>44967547

Go to bed Yugi.

>>44967547
I use matching artwork and sets, but only because if you don't you can give away information with if your opponent uses things like IoK, probe, etc. It doesn't really matter which art or set, it's just whichever I happen to have. They all function the same.

I'm now seriously considering whether or not the miniscule advantage gained by my current method is worth not being able to fuck with people like you.

>>44967700
you should use as many different arts as possible

>>44967700
I use mostly Urza's and Invasion basics, all matching each other, because of nostalgia for old sets. I run a one-of Akroma, Angel of Fury in Kiki Flash for the same reason: nostalgia for Time Spiral block and the old pre-mending characters.

I couldn't care less about "giving away information".

>>44967596
>>44967662
It's like you have no passion for your hobby

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KEK@people getting butthurt over basic lands
time to switch up all my basics to mess with these pathetic autistic dorks
don't let something so insignificant bother you lmao

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>>44967857
You really wanna fuck with people? And I mean HARD?

White borders, pic related every time

>>44967428
Well, mechanically, you're better off having all copies of a card be the same artistically

It's so small a consideration that it's really just nitpicking, but you can provide information you otherwise wouldn't if you have different versions of the same card.

>>44967773
I've been considering doing that, and having as much of my deck white-bordered as I can.

>>44967804
As I said, I am aware that it's an incredibly tiny advantage, and 99% of players don't have the attention to detail to notice different artworks or sets.

>>44967809
>hobby
magic is a way of life

>>44966212
That filename was well done, anon. Its the dream we all share the hope for no agroo-ooo. FUCK YEAH

what is the obsession with disliking white bordered cards? people play with future sight bordered cards no problem but the white borders seem to trigger some angry response among the majority of the 'magic community'. can someone explain?

>>44966212
why not remand?

tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kiki-coco-chord/
K r8 this pls

>>44966664
do you have any tips for playing dredgevine fampai?

>>44966212
>4 mana leaks
might as well be playing rune snags at this point.

Is travis woo no longer with cfb? He hasn't put out anything lately?

>>44968073
He got fired for being a nazi

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>>44968073
>he hasn't heard

>>44968073
he got a sex change and changed her name

>>44968043
understand how dredge works
put the cards in your yard
don't miss triggers like a goofball
play 2 creatures in 1 turn
here come the vengevines
your opponent is dead

if your are playing my list:
fetch a white source early
cast unburial rights
win the game


ALTERNATIVE ANGLE:
(not recommended vs. decks that can exile)

play lotleth troll
make him a big guy 4 u

>>44968073
He started talking on stream about how Hitler thought what he was doing was right, and how morality could be relative.

Naturally, his words were taken out of context, and everyone thought TWoo was hading out a giant endorsement of hitler's policy.

On the surface, he got fired for saying offensive things. Really, he got fired for being retarded.

>>44968073
Travis "exile all non-white permanents" Woo

4 Galerider Sliver
4 Sinew Sliver
4 Diffusion Sliver
3 Frenetic Sliver

Look like a decent core for a countersliver build? Diffusion can be backed up well enough by things like Mana Leak and even Spell Pierce, and Frenetic Sliver is a backup against shit like Abrupt Decay or decks that like to cast 1cmc spells anyway.

>>44968221
are you kidding

>>44968281
are you mentally ill?

>>44966424
TWIN IS DEAD AND GONE, LET IT FUCKING GO

>>44968281
Look up coco slivers on google, vials are cool too.

>>44968221
I'm gonna miss him. He was one of the few pros the wasn't stereotypically nerdy or fat.

So what

If I play eldrazi displacer one turn
Then zulaport cutthroat + eldrazi brood monitor the next, I win?

>>44968260
Good joke.

>>44968221
Funny thing is he didnt say that, he said that the German people thought he was right which helped his ascent to power, but people are retarded and started spreading shit because >muh antisemitism and basically people who never watched what happened think it is a nazi or something.

tldr; talk about jews, you lose.

>>44968302
Not him. He's not. That's what happened.

>>44967910

What info do you provide?

>>44968302
>>44968302
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSCuaplpQSM

>>44968355
thats kinda fascist when you think about it.

>>44968330
He was also one of few streamers who would constantly eat right next to the microphone.

Looks good desu.
Would you have anything cute in the deck or just counters abs cantrips?

>>44968330
He has his own channel now

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UClPJRRwqan9DSRttbKGjjmQ

>>44968360
Say you have a forest with art A.

the opponent casts duress, and sees you have forest A.

You then draw forest B and play forest B instead of forest A.

The opponent knows you drew forest B.

>>44968373

It is. But its not intended facism like traditional facism

Its unintentional facism perpetuated by retards that have been brainwashed by liberals to hate what they've been told to hate and to never, EVER hurt anyones feelings.

So the second someone even says the word "hitler" people start twitching uncomfortably and assuming anti-semmitism

>>44968373
oy vey certain thoughts taint your mind and addict you to evil like thought cocaine, even thinking such things as this antisemite bastard was saying is evil and warrants immediate punishment. or do you WANT a second holocaust?

>>44968363
>tfw even writing on your hand "do not talk about hitler" isn't enough to keep you from talking about hitler.

Them /pol/ feels.

>>44968420

Ahh makes sense

Small but its there

>>44968437

Remember the 6 gorillion

>>44968436
Travis did say that the Jews control the media. He also said he admired their dedication. Doesn't change the fact that it's a fucking retarded thing to say.

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>>44968073
He now makes videos about how not to be sheeple and stop growing your hair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siNtfk6mR44

Its pretty depressing if you see his videos from years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukEr86iNHXU

>>44968571
Is he banned from tournaments?

I'd love to see him enter and win a major tournament and all the butthurt it would cause.

>>44968380
>>44968281

>>44968500

Its a retarded thing to say considering how people will react to it

Not a retarded thing to think. I dont know if its true or not, but Im certainly not blind to the possibility.

Approach everything with both skepticism and an open mind

So when a spell that deals damage resolves, is the resolution a sequence, or is the complete action simultaneous? As in does it deal damage and then go to the graveyard, or do both simultaneously?

I.E. Pyro on the stack over a 0/1 Goyf, crack a fetch in response, does the Goyf live as a 2/3-2 with Pyro and the fetch in the yards, or does it die before Pyro hits the yard?

>>44968659
he is not banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HCeTYcpz40

>>44968678
I think that was ultimately the point of his tirade and all the retards watching him heard was "HEIL HITLER GAS THE JEWS DEATH TO AMERICA" because 98% of the general population are fucking idiots.

What tier is the living end deck?

>>44968732
pyro is not a magic card
if it does 2 damage it will go like this

empty yard

you cracked the fetch in response to that burn spell. that ability resolves, the fetch goes in to the yard and you search for a land

goyf is now a 1/2

now the spell resolves, deals 2 damage and goes to the yard, but goyf grows to a 2/3 and survivies

>>44968837
2.5

>>44968837
2

>>44968837
meme tier

>>44966599

Whats the variant called?

>>44968732
if you bolt a 2/3 goyf with no instants in the yard, the goyf lives. state-based shenanigans.

the clasm'd goyf lives as a 2/3 with 2 damage on it.

>>44968836

Pretty much

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>>44968910
fuck off retard

>>44968916
Ruin in their wake

>>44968956

Cheers anon

>>44968947
I see so many screengrabs from this. Always so innocent.

Why was deathrite shaman banned? I looked up the old wotc post and it just said it reduced synergies in decks but I'm not sure what that means in terms of the meta when it was banned.

>>44968221
Its fucking hilarious that of all the insulting shit that got him in trouble it was the one time he actually wasn't being a massive faggot that got him fired.

>>44969803
>le ebin one mana planeswalker

>>44966212

How does this fare against Tron?

>>44968373
>>44968436
Oh christ, shut up. CFB is a business, they're a private organisation, they have the right to protect their bottom line. Everyone who works for them knows they're there to make money for the channel, if CFB thinks some controversial statements are going to cost them viewers, they should kick the idiot who made those statements. There's no bullshit /pol/-tier "muh liberals" shit going on, it's pure business.

>>44969849
was it really that powerful/used? I started magic in the middle of last year so I'm just honestly curious.

>>44969803
Jund used to be very very dominant. Deathrite was a hugely versatile card that made the deck too consistent and flexible, and it was already very consistent and flexible. Jund was dominating the meta, so they got rid of DRS.
>>44969915
Yes, fetchlands in particular made it great. It even sees legacy play. Arguably the best 1-mana creature ever printed. It fixes your mana, hoses graveyard strategies, grinds out games with lifegain, and is even a win con with life loss.

>>44969803
because it's a one mana splashable 1/2 "any color" manadork (in black mind you) that can lavamancer every player's face or gain you some life, while also acting as a relic of progenitus

>>44969977
>>44969986
makes sense, thanks

>>44969876
He did not make any controversial statements, people who lack reading comprehension misinterpreted what he said and created an outrage over something he never said. No one is saying anything about what cfb did because their hand was forced.

>>44968837
Above eldrazi aand jeskai combo tier

>>44970141
TWoo suffered from a critical lack of discretion.

>>44970141
>He did not make any controversial statements
It doesn't matter, they were interpreted as controversial statements. CFB were well within their rights, even if it was a stupid thing for stupid people to get buttmad over. Saying "sounds like fascism - who's the REAL hitler here, huh?!?!?!?!" is just dumb.

>>44969876
>CFB is a business
They are shills, these are the faggots that deleted an article PVR wrote detailing why Battle for ZEN was such a shitty set.

Nothing to do with TWoo getting fired, I honestly have no idea why he was on their staff since he was really shitty at the game and offended a lot of people long before the hitler thing. But CFB has always been massive faggots.

>>44969915

Wizards is extremely trigger-happy with bans in Modern. Just about everyone's lost money to them at this point, and they're starting to make Modern players really pissed off.

And then there are cards like Ancestral Vision and Stoneforge Mystic which were preemptively banned for being "too good" despite being far more "fair" cards than urzatron. It's sad that those cards have never once seen the light of day in modern.

>>44970327
>business that wants to sell you cards deletes an article about how a set of cards is bad

Color me surprised

>>44970304
Again, no one is criticizing what cfb did, the problem is the power of offended people regardless of the legitimacy of their outrage.

>>44970327
>deleted an article PVR wrote detailing why Battle for ZEN was such a shitty set.
They didn't. They just tried to hide it because it's not's exactly a genius business strategy to flaunt around with an article detailing why the product you're trying to sell is bad.

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/everything-thats-wrong-with-battle-for-zendikar/

>>44970451
They actually did delete it until a bunch of people called them out on it.

There was a long thing on leddit about it.

>>44970550
Again, no. They changed the date of it to move it away from the front page.

https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/3m2ltv/channel_fireball_buries_article_critical_of/

>>44968330
Fuck him and his plagiarized shitbrews.

>>44970713
Hey man his stolen brews were the only time he ever played magic
>Open his stream
>magic is closed and hes talking about how poor people didn't try enough at life or how depression isn;t real or some shit

>>44969876
It's that the statements were controversial in the first place you brainless fucking shit-farmer

>>44968221

Why are WotC and big MTG groups so obsessed with political correctness? This is insane, probably as bad as video game journalism.

Has the social justice cult latched on to Magic the Gathering because it's more centrally controlled by its manufacturer than other tabletop games? I can't see every Magic player out there approving of what's happening here.

>>44971081
>social justice cult
I just like to play a game without being bombarded by political bs. I think that's fair.

>>44971081
>mtg is overwhelmingly a game males play
>wotc wants to appeal to women more = bigger market = more money
>be more inclusive
>white knights, betas and orbiters adopt it so they get to spend more time with females

>>44970304
Oh my god just shut the fuck up you retard

The fascism alluded to is blindingly obviously that of the mob mentality, not CFB

How have you lived this long with so little reading comprehension, or the ability to breathe and walk at the same time?

Why is an inbred like you even posting? Did your father just leave instead of beating the shit out of your retarded ass, or is he an even bigger mongoloid?

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I want to put this onto an Eidolon of the Great Revel

>>44971238
People use vampiric link to the same effect. Throw 2 on there for value.

>>44971159

Me too, which sucks when Wizards decides to have their setting feature black greeks and cross-dressing mongols.

>>44971313
It's a fantasy world. I'm sorry they made you look at black people.

>>44971366

we wuz kangs

>>44970345
I think it would be a good thing if they could drive the price of the format down. I don't want to play collector, if I did I'd play vintage or legacy. But you can't justify a hundred plus dollar prices in a format that's supposed to be in flux. Mythic rarity is the biggest culprit and the worst thing ever done to the game. I hardly ever play paper magic anymore and wouldn't recommend it either, unless you want to play commander, where bans are few and cards are singleton. As someone who'd love to feel safe putting money into modern, let's see fetches for 5 dollars. Until then, no thanks.

>>44971238
>Implying Burn gives a fuck

Go ahead, you still took 2 and spent a card to "remove" Eidolon. And it's still around for blocks. Shit, I'd almost be happy.

Hey all, I've played a lot of casual with my groups and have been delving into modern this last year. Critique this deck for me guys, I love playing this, but it's maybe 2 turns too slow for my liking, and Topor Orb shuts me down like nothing else.

I have no clue what to sideboard in, or how to structure it period.

Thoughts, suggestions, and fixes are much appreciated!

http://www.mtgvault.com/2psychoman1/decks/venser-phyrexian-tainted-2/

>>44971313
>have jungle fever
>set just has a bunch of Shaquilles

Fuck this shit.

>>44971210
>The fascism alluded to is blindingly obviously that of the mob mentality
Then that's even stupider. The mob has no literal power other than whingeing and stamping its feet, the only power is what we or companies like CFB choose to give them. They howl about stupid shit, and various people and institutions choose to kowtow or not, based on our own interests and political leanings. It's 100% the opposite of fascism.
>Did your father just leave instead of beating the shit out of your retarded ass, or is he an even bigger mongoloid?
lol what? Is this meant to be some tremendous keyboard warrior tough-guy epic insults that'll leave me chastened and traumatized? This isn't x-box live, calling someone a faggot over the internet makes you the idiot, not me. Pretty cringe-worthy stuff, anon.

>>44971441
Fuck burn, white Red lifegain niggah. Link your own eidolon

>>44971424

>drive the price of the format down

They could just make Modern Masters 3 as cheap as Conspiracy.

>>44971500
Needs more resto angels/10

all this meta upkeep in a format like modern is dumb. shouldn't be happening. gonna try to sell my infect deck and play only edh

>>44971578
What exactly is the point of that? Do you enjoy getting two-for-one'd?

So how long until prices become okay again?

>>44971644
i'll give you 150 for it

>>44971704
About a month after the protour maybe. Everything that isn't Tron will be worthless

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which is superior?

>>44971500

If you are running Gifts Ungiven, how about running 1x Unburial Rites(splash black on one land in case you drew it) and 1x Elesh Norn?

Also, your deck needs removal, or at least counterspells to keep enemy removal off your back.

>>44971695
It's a 1 for 1 at worst

>>44971514
>having nigger lust
>not superior gook lust
enjoy your no waifus, Ill just have my planeswalking qts

>>44971855
They're about the same

>>44971695
It's more like a 2 for 1 and a half, cos you get to drain 2 :^)
I dunno, run some synergies with auras, this won't be winning the pro tour.

>>44971764
>Everything that isn't Tron
I don't know why people keep saying this, it's the opposite. Without twin, Jund and abzan are going to be less represented. Tron beats up on jund and abzan. Affinity, burn and infect will remain in the format and they beat up on tron. Tron's losing one of its best matchups and all of its worst ones are hanging around, being even better.

>>44970345
Do you really wanna see modern with ancestral vision and snapcaster together?

>>44971366
That's not the reason it upset people and you know it.

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>44968221
Woo might be worse than TG at magic

Should I pick up some restoration angels now while they're "low"?

Do they have the potential to spike after the protour?

>>44971961
How would that be a problem?

>>44971961

>snapcaster targets ancestral vision
>you can't pay its flashback cost because its mana cost is non-existent

>>44972007
Only if you like memedecks and losing. Yes.

>>44972007
>Should I pick up some restoration angels now while they're "low"?
yeah, why not. Baller card, will always have potential to be a thing as an ETB shenanigans enabler. High chance of them being useful in the future.
>Do they have the potential to spike after the protour?
Maybe, kik-chord might be a thing.

>>44971752
its worth 590 so no lol

>>44971967
Then what's the reason? You got offended that someone had the gall to write a character that wasn't a white man

>>44971441
>Every spell after hurts you and gives life to your opponent

Nice pretending not to care meme

>>44971961
You're right, un banning ancestral visions MIGHT make control more viable in modern. Those cards have no synergy though.

>>44971973
I want to see his stream on this deck.

>>44972130
>>44972044
>>44972037
I thought you could flash it back like how that living end deck use cascade. I guess not.

>>44971973
He's got a point though affinity loves going for the infect kill, this works on etched champion+cranial, without plating you're swinging for 2-5 damage or 1-3 poison. If you convert a damage swing to a poison swing it makes that plan much better.

>>44971923
>>44972117

Except I don't care.
you're still taking 2 off your own Eidolon, and its all a wash. It's a cute interaction, but when we're both taking damage and Eidolon still eats a bolt/Searing Blaze, you're down two cards to my one.

>>44972274

Cascade into Ancestral Visions is viable in Legacy with Shardless Agent. Both those cards would be fine in modern though.

>>44972297
You can't target etched champion

>>44972297
Unless you don't have metal craft before casting tainted strike and then say activate your manlands to achieve metalcraft that won't work.

>>44972116
>Greek themed setting
>significant majority of cards featuring black men and women

Put two and two together. It's not that hard if you know even the first thing about ancient Greece. Give me a response without trying to belittle me or trivialize the concept of fantasy please.

>>44972297

>Etched Champion
>targetable by spells without devoid

/tg/ is bad at magic

>>44972312
I meant spirit link on my opponent's Eidolon

>>44972393
>affinity
>not having metalcraft

pick one

>>44972516
Exactly.

>>44972413
Greek "themed"
The whole world is Greece, bound to be black people.

>>44972361
Shardless does have consistency issues because it doesn't run a lot ponder, or any cheap countermagic. Shardless agent does put a serious deckbuilding constraint on you

>>44972413

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othello

>>44972413

They aren't black people.

They're Venician Moors.

>>44973073
Moops*

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>>44973150

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Does this guy break the Eldrazi deck?

>>44973073
>>44972950

Come on, there's a big difference between 700AD+ and Fantasy Ancient Greece.

>>44971081
Because WotC's parent company is run by actual Jews (Brian Goldner) and one of the WotC's lead guys is a Jew

>>44971855
Normally in OOS decks like it you'd want to run both. In Modern, I think that Balustrade would be slightly better because Undercity Informer gets fucked by Linvala iirc

>>44972274
snapcaster grants a card flashback with a flashbackcost equal to it's mana cost. the mana cost does not exist, so you cannot pay it. cascade allows you to cast a spell without paying it's mana cost, which is fine. the mana cost that does not exist is calculated as 0 for the purpose of the cascade mechanic.

>>44973349
It doesn't break it, but it's pretty decent.

what are the better deck boxes these days? i never liked those cheap ultra pro ones and my favorites were these odyssey themed ones that came with shitty sleeves but i have no idea where i put them

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>>44973736
the ultra pro magnetic flip boxes are actually very nice

>>44973791
Seconding this

>>44973791
they're also awkwardly big, for me at least. I like the legion plastic velcro latch boxes, they're not top notch but they hold your cards together and fit nicely into other containers

>>44973640
Oh ok. I figured that if cascade considered its converted mana cost 0, then flashbook would do the same. Oh well.

>>44973791
not that anon, but I personally didn't like them. They're too fat and bulky and I have small hands which makes gripping it/holding it annoying.

>>44973791
The Ultimate Guard flipboxes are straight up superior.

>>44974133
they also have a naked man on the front, must be the reason you like it so much :^)

smdh...

>>44973736
I like the ultra pro satin towers. Your deck will never fall out, it will never get leaked into. Its the best

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>>44973791
I liked magnetic boxes, but these Satin Towers are my new favorite.

>>44973515
I really hope the anti-semitic thing is joking, because god damn that's retarded

>>44973369

It's still a thing people think of when they think of Greeco-Roman iconography though. So they just filled their Greeco-Roman world full of Othellos.

>>44974561
Is it though?
>There's a star of david
There's a star on the back of mtg cards...
>Jew and Judaism start with "J"
So does Jace...
>Jews control the banks
"Jews" control the banks of Ravnica
>The Jews bought Jesus with 30 silver pieces
Karn is made of....you guessed it, Silver.
I can keep going. The fact is there's too much evidence to just say "nuh-uh" and pretend it isn't true. Wake up sheeple

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>>44973736
I use either a Legion Iconic deck box or one of these to hold my modern deck + sideboard.
Not too big of a fan of deckboxes that cost more than $10, but the Satin Tower is probably the most durable box that you can get for its price.

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>>44974895

>yfw this is real Orzhov card art

>>44973736
It's gotten to the point where I just use Fatpack boxes, they hold 3 EDH decks and four 60 card decks + sideboards with ease.

>>44973791
I got one for every color back in 2010 and all of them have fallen apart on me (the glue splitting between the two layers of covered cardboard), and this is while storing them in a foam lined carrying case.

>>44975948
The only saving grace that UltraPro has is that it's cheap.

Other than that it's the shittiest everything. No consistency in sleeve sizing, sleeves fall apart, non-sleeve product breaks, the list is long. I find it funny that they have the Wizards contract on merchandise with official art, because that just speaks to how much Wizards doesn't give a fuck about any details including the quality of the peripherals.

>>44976124
The Ultra Pro Satin Tower is a legitimately good product though.

>>44971159
in what world does wizards "bombard" you with anything political? holy shit

>>44976224
I've never owned one myself but I've seen it where the dice compartment just fucks up and falls out and the Ultra Pro silver logo thing just fall off.

The only thing I like about UltraPro are the cheap $2.00 deckboxes. They're cheap and they're the only thing that haven't broken on me (yet). And if they broke, I wouldn't be terribly angry because it cost me nothing.

I wouldn't give a shit about their sleeves breaking either because they're so inexpensive. However, one batch is never the same size as the other batch so you can't even buy the same damn sleeves a year from when you bought the previous ones because they're always miscut. You buy a 100 pack and one set of 50 are miscut from the other 50.

I'm an Engineer, companies fucking solved sizing issues decades ago.

>>44976124

eh, i've always thought the ultra pro mattes were a good product

i tried dragon shields and they actually became dirty, sticky pieces of shit even when i only play on a mat and intentionally tried to keep them clean

>>44966212
makes me miss the different-art-resto guy that used to post all the time in these generals.

What are some good hard counters in modern. Im running shared fate and i cant use bounce spells. Is dissolve the best hard counter outside of mana leak or negate or spell snare or spell pierce?

>>44976630
faggot wizards makes us play decks that put enough pressure on opponents that remand becomes a good counter unfortunately

>>44976630
disrupting shoal is alright

>>44976414
That's my point. They don't, I like that they don't.

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>>44976630
Pic related is the only viable hard counter in modern.

Logic Knot is damn close to being a hard counter though.

>>44976630
rune snag is good if you run 4 of them. I've always thought deprive is rather underplayed, but I don't play blue decks so my opinions mean nothing.

>>44976727
oh, my bad. thought you were saying that they did and i was utterly perplexed

>>44976733
I cant bounce things with my deck like that. So remand and cryptic are trash. Im just going to rune dissolve mana leak and rune snag

>>44976733
>Logic Knot
>In a format where Eldrazi is stupid popular
Nice Joke

Is deprive better than dissolve? Or does deprive too slow and vulnerable to spell snare?

>>44976902
Deprive has a major drawback. You want to cast it on turn 2, but that's when its at its worst. Conditional counters are better in the early game, but hard counters are necessary in the late game.

Basically, you need both in your deck and to draw the right half of your deck at the right time. Welcome to the reason why control sucks in modern

>>44977124
im going to be winning gp detroit with my deck

>>44977213
Good luck

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>>44973736
I'm a huge fan of Dex Protection boxes. The first wave one's magnets are kinda weak but not that bad, newer ones are top tier tho.

Why do you whine about tapping creatures and think control is so much better. How is saying no until your drowning in cards or life any better?

>>44977501
Because it's different from tapping creatures until your opponent runs out of life, or playing two cards together and going to the next game. Variety is good, anon. Having multiple playstyles be viable is good.

>>44977501
The complaint is that there is no viable control deck, and that you have to play a creature strategy to be viable

>>44977501
Control isn't better, but it's needed for a healthy game.

I hate playing against control in other games. "bounce that to your library" or "countered that spell" isn't fun, but other decks need it as a check to their own power.

I don't think either should dominate the game, but both need to exist, or else the game turns into a rushdown

>>44977501
Because the control lists lack the draw engines and countermagic to deal with unfair decks. As well as the answers are to weak too deal with fair decks threats.

There really isn't anything they could unban to fix this either, ponder/preordain would help with consistency but not the lack of power.

>>44977690
Look at the current metagame. All combo decks that can largely ignore the other player, or aggro decks that are looking to win before those decks. Combo decks only need to worry about being fast and consistent, not resilient. Its not healthy for the format

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tfw Clique'ing my opponents dredge Life from the Loam on drawstep

>>44966664
Junk Rites is better than Vengevine. If they try to stop your T4 Iona/Elesh they have to fight your T4 Thragtusk and turn 5 Thragtusk and t6 Thragtusk.

>>44977793

Ancestral Visions is an efficient enough draw engine that unbanning it might help.

But reprinting Counterspell is what needs to happen.

>>44976852
Logic Knot is fine against eldrazi as long as they don't manage to t1 relic. And yea i get that's a fairly likely, but they have to /really/ be knowing what they're doing for a couple logice knots not to be ok in your deck.

>>44976124
Wizards has the exclusivity contract with Ultra Pro BECAUSE it's products are disposable.
They don't want you buying one pack of Jace sleeves, they want you buying one pack of Jace sleeves every draft.

>>44976852
You could say the same thing about Tarmogoyf, Snapcaster Mage, or Tasigur. If one or two decks run maindeck hosers for otherwise powerful cards it doesn't invalidate those cards. It just means you might side them out or have a tougher matchup.

>>44978376

>You could say the same thing about Tarmogoyf, Snapcaster Mage, or Tasigur
>You could say the same thing about cards that are now practically hated out of the format by the above decks.

>>44978065
>Ancestral Visions
Ancestral Visions is legitimately hilariously bad again Eldrazi. It both fuels their deck and while they take it out of suspend and it just feels horrible.

>>44978376
Tiago is basically nowhere to be found with Twin gone, Goyf and Tasigur also are featured mainly in fair decks which got much worse if the unfair strategies are as rampant as people are predicting.

Angler/Tasigur and Tiago being incredibly dogshit against Eldrazi which is a super popular deck all of a sudden is one of the main reasons why Sam Black said Grixis Control is completely unplayable now the other reason being of course its best matchup getting banned

>>44978065

In the time between casting Ancestral VisioN and it actually going off, aggro and hyper aggro have killed you twice over, and big mana decks are so far ahead theres literally no blue or white cards in the format that will catch you up.

whats merfolks matchup against tron and eldrazi like? I need a new deck now that twin is gone. I already have my aether vials and caverns so theres a huge chunk of the cost gone too.

>>44978947
Its okay to good, maindeck spreading seas is strong against both and vial lets you put our a clock fast enough to try and race their strategy.

The issue I think would be with Infect and Affinity. You aren't faster than them and Merfolk really does not have the interaction needed to stop both decks oneshot infect kill outside of Cursecater for Infect. Vapor Snags are the only thing they run right? Do they run dismember?

Thats all spitballing since I have never tested nor tested against Merfolk though.

>>44979231
yes, it does.

>>44978743
>>44978711
snapcaster is prevalent in jeskai midrange that are up ticking in popularity. snap + path of exile is alright against eldrazi

Anyone building a legacy deck to escape from the hell that modern has become?

/elves/ here

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>>44979421
I've had this for a few months now, but I'm in the process of selling all the modern cards I have that don't go into Esper Control so I can build Death and Taxes or ANT.

>have stax/D&T in modern
>want to buy Flagstones of Trokair for Boom/Bust combo
>it's up to almost $30

welp

>>44979668
why did you choose to play helm? seems pretty weak in a field full of forces and combos that are consistently quicker and better than you by mutltiple turns

>>44964769
>>44964882

>thinking kiki is playable in modern when it costs more than four mana.
Stay casual, pleb.

>>44979796
I've been tempted to Scepter-Chant for a while now. Add in Hokori, Otherworldly Journey, Ghostly Prison or the like to force your opponent to tap, and Boros Charm to protect the Scepter and get some reach and you've got something fun. Maybe a red Akroma or two to blink off spare Journeys?

I also like the idea of a Floodbringer or two to bounce lands. I mean, since it's jank anyway.

>>44979808
The main plan of the deck is to set up Scrack + Land Tax and "draw" a shit load of cards. Swords, Orim's Chant, Wrath, and the Enlightened Tutor package are there so you can get to that point. The win-cons could be anything, but I chose RIP/Helm and Belcher because they kill quickly, are tutorable, and aren't dead on their own.

>>44979931
sure but besides 4 silence, you are basically folding to non-creature decks and combo? and with no leylines/ only 2 rip, reanimator is just going to go under you

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>have scrubby norin/soul sisters/impact tremors list for modern
>literally only good in big games where my norin triggers impact tremors per player's turn
>wanted to try a new deck but all the card prices for the interesting ones skyrocketed post oath/twinban

is there any hope for me

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>>44979994
>only two RIP
If I need RIP, I'm gonna get RIP. Not to mention I can do it G1. With Mox Diamond I can cast RIP T1 or Chant + RIP on T2.

The worst match-ups are T1 combos like Belcher and Oops, but that goes for every non-blue Legacy deck.

It's not some secret T1 brew, but it does have the tools to go up against most of the other decks in Legacy. The hardest thing is actually piloting it correctly, with so much tutoring and deck manipulation the decision trees are enormous.

>>44980028
wait till after pro tour when people settle on top decks and just buy a t2 deck. or wait till modern season is over for prices to drop

>>44979421
I just started building dredge and MUD because I love graveyard and artifact decks.

>>44965607
Because he is good.

>>44975811
/pol/ jokes aside, I fucking love the ghost council. One of the best parts of the lore, of any plane.

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>not playing the most exciting deck in modern

>>44980729
I would add something to give your other creatures haste so somebody doesn't just Path the Craterhoof. Otherwise it looks pretty sweet. What do you sideboard?

>>44980812
you get a lot of good sideboard options right now since green has tons of strong hate cards. I'm still working on a sideboard right now, I just proxied up this deck and im gonna playtest it a bit tomorrow. I'd imagine some land hate like beast within or acidic slime would be good too. You could even be a real cheeselord and play plow under.

>>44980729
where are the primalcruxes

>>44965021
Is the space Pope reptilian?

>>44980915
I settled on the stompy version. Here's my list:

4 wild nacatl
4 experiment one
3 scavenging ooze
4 avatar of the resolute
4 strangleroot geist
3 leatherback baloth
4 eternal witness
1 reclamation sage
2 dungrove elder
4 vines of vastwood
4 collected company
2 aspect of hydra

4 wooded foothills
4 windswept heath
2 stomping ground
1 temple garden
10 forest

>>44980729
I prefer Tooth and Nail

Chances of a splinter twin unban in April?

>>44981182
same as the chances of a pod unban in april 2015

What tier is Ad Nauseam? I wanna know before buying into it.

>>44981240
2 - 2.5. You'll win more games on surprise factor and your opponent not being prepared for it/understanding it/not having any sideboard hate for it than from it being an actually good deck

>>44981124
Primetime is just a way better 6 drop

So how bad an idea on a scale of "shit" to "do you even understand Modern" is Zur's Weirding? Slot it into a UW control shell perhaps, with Finks and other sources of life? Maybe even a recursive setup with Floodbringer and Kabira Crossroads?

>>44981363
it simply does not have the synergy with nykthos as primalcrux does

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>>44981448
>this whole post

Could Esper Zur still be a thing in modern?

>>44981448
zur's weirding would be better suited towards an edh deck with oloro, with necropotence to not fuck yourself with its effect

Can I ask a question, I'm pretty bad, and still learning. I was playing at a friends the other night, and he swung at me for some damage, I chose not to block and just take the damage. At this time, he said, "Oh, well I'll just hit your Gideon instead then." Was this legal? Can he switch his attack after he said he was going to swing at me? Not my Planeswalker?

Thank you for reading and replying, I appreciate the help and information.

>>44981506
Straight up illegal, as soon as he declares attackers he must declare who he is attacking, your friend is a dick

>>44981473
Primalcrux comes into play and does nothing. Primetime gets you immediate value and if you ever untap he'll probably generate as much if not more mana by fetching another nykthos. Hell, if you have enough devotion primetime can probably generate more on the turn he comes in.

>>44981506
Illegal

>>44981182
Unless no one shows up to the GP and the next MM sells dogshit because players boycotting modern there's zero chance.

And we all know thats impossible since people are lazy morons.

>>44981448
It sounds good on paper, but then you realize your opponent could spend his life to keep you off your answers just as much as you can spend life to keep him off of threats. But he's the beatdown... so he probably has more life than you.

You can test it out in an UB or Esper shell with lifegain and discard. Try and get your opponent into topdeck mode and then prevent him from ever drawing anything relevant. It seems like a tempo card to me though. Maybe try Esper "delver" with 3-4 Tasigur for beats and non-weirded card advantage?

>>44981520
>>44981524

Thank you for your replies. Yeah he's a try hard. Brags about his 1500 USD Modern deck a lot.

Cheers anons.

>>44981506
ener combat
declare attackers
declare blockers
damage step

>>44980729
1 of Kessig for prime time?

>>44981603
for any creature, you can go wide and just dump all your nykthos mana into any unblocked elf

>>44981566

Thanks! I did read the rules and the compendium on the wiki, but he insisted that he was correct having played for X years.

Just happy there is some anons out there willing to answer some questions.

>>44981182

Chances of a Wild Nacatl unban soon?

Oh wait.

>>44981544
"Non-draw" seems like a possibility as well. Finally a use for Telling Time.

>>44981321
Will it get better now that Twin is gone or nah? I like that it's under 400 but if I need to invest more to have something consistent then it can't be helped.

>>44981658
Holy shit, how does someone with years under his belt have such a poor understanding of phases?

>>44979796
I just built mono-white D&T and I couldn't believe that price tag as well. No way am I spending $70 on Horizon Canopy either, fuck that.

Anyway with all 8 colorless sources in the deck I'm thinking of trying Matter Reshaper in D&T, seems good. Maybe even Warping Wail in the board.

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>>44981448
>Zur's Weirding
After 5 hard minutes of brewing I present to you the most expensive jank deck in Modern.

Weird BUG:

Creatures: 13
4 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Tarmogoyf
3 Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Instants and Sorceries: 18
4 Thought Scour
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
3 Thoughtsieze
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Murderous Cut

Other Spells: 7
4 Liliana of the Veil
3 Zur's Weirding

Lands: 22
3 Creeping Tar Pit
4 Polluted Delta
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 Misty Rainforest
2 Watery Grave
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Breeding Pool
2 Island
2 Swamp
1 Forest
2 Ghost Quarter

>>44981910
That IS an exceedingly high cost/jank ratio. I like the ideas of Banana King, Cut, and Tar Pit.

>>44981942
Yep. The plan is to destroy the opponent's hand with Lili/Inquisition/Thoughtseize and land a beater so when the Weirding comes down you can "race" their topdecks. Jace and Tasigur provide a way to generate CA even under the effect of the Weirding.

It might be pretty good against Tron, but with only 8 removal spells and no lifegain or sweepers you're gonna get shit on by burn and affinity. I guess that's what the sideboard is for.

Atleast Twin's not around to remand your CMC 4 enchantment anymore though.

Reckon any cards of OGW will see any modern play?

>>44982009
Mystical Teachings and Gifts Ungiven don't draw, so I briefly considered them while I was making all of the other questionable decisions. Teachings even comes with native Flashback.

The downside is they're fairly slow.

>>44982083
goblin depth dwellers seems enticing.

>>44981910
Woops, just realized when I was shuffling around cards for that deck that there are 11 creatures, not 13, so it's a 58 card deck. I would add two Disfigures for cheap removal, but going to 24 lands by adding another Tar Pit and Ghost Quarter could be better.

>>44982083
Aside from the obvious answer of the various eldrazi cards, crush of tentacles seems nice in a grixis/temur delver deck
>>44981821
Probably, but it's hard to say. Traditionally combo decks are beaten by control decks, and it remains to be seen if twin's banning makes control decks any more viable.

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lel @ eldrazi decks

>>44982085
Playing Teachings and Weirding in the same deck is REALLY slow, but the synergy is definitely there. I don't think Weirding is viable in a control shell without a lot of incidental lifegain to break the card's symmetry and Modern really doesn't have that. That's why I went with the midrange shell.

>>44968420
>don't be a retard and play forest A instead of B
>??????
>profit

>>44971855
they're both shit. run spells, not creatures, if you want to mill. Hedron crab being the only exception. Sphinx tutelage, archive trap, maybe altar of the brood, counterspells and boardwipes. Check out psychic strike if you're in blue black.

>>44973736
Watch the professor's take on deck boxes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmxqofgvG2I

>>44981547
It's a legal move with burn spells and abilities, however.
>I lightning bolt you
>Ok, resolve
>As lightnint bolt resolves, I redirect the damage to your planeswalker
is the correct procedure for targeted spells and abilities. Your friend probably assumed it would be the correct procedure for combat as well, which it isn't.

>>44966782
No the lands have to represent the deck, inconsistent sounds about right.

>>44973736
Can't go wrong with UG Flipntray, the magnets will never open by accident even when shaked heavily, satin interior and separate compartment for dice.