MtG Modern General

>>44934989
anyone here have lacky-mtg and want to play some modern casual?

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Currently playing abzan, I'm wondering what cards to run to counter Eldrazi and Tron, having a bit of a hard time. Suggestions?

>>44935526
Fulminator mage and GQ+surgical are your best bets if you can start hitting with a goyf and/or rhino.

>>44935526
4 fulminator mage and a surgical extraction

Are there any spells like bribery that work on walkers?

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>>44934989
>Which cards do you think should be unbanned?

Splinter Twin

If not at least unban Jace, ancestral and SFM so real control can be viable

Should I build Blue Moon or Jeskai Ascendancy Loam Gifts

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Can we stop making new threads without linking them in the old ones

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>>44935526
Rain of Tears, GQ+Surgical, Contaminater Ground is cool too along with Fulminator Mages and a hefty amount of Duress and Stony Silence in your SB and the matchup should be at least 50/50


Also, I dig your list dude here's mine that I'm working on, I think you're the guy who recommended Vault of the Archangel to me

>>44935613
No. They printed Bribery one time and then realized that they didn't want any more cards that punished people for playing good cards.

Why is everyone jumping on the ascendancy memewagon again?

>>44936125
It's Tron's worst matchup.

No way of actually stopping storm outside of repeated graveyard hate

>>44936133
Wrong ascendancy, but the point might still stand.

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>>44936133
>playing against JA
>at one point they top deck an Ascendency
>they play solitaire for five minutes then concede

>>44934989
Merfolk reporting in. Picked up my third and final cavern yesterday in case of a spike.

>>44936171
ascendancy best deck in the format no doubt.

>>44936125
it's the new format police combo deck.

you go: mana dork, mana dork, ascendancy, faithless looting, silence, dredge and cast loam 10 times off ascendancy triggers, unearth all your fatestitchers, dredge loot some more, kill you with fatestitchers.
you can also play the standard artifact retraction helix exile your deck version if you want. it doesn't matter, it still goes off on turn 3.

>>44936194
>dredge
>fucking
>DREDGE


MaRo on suicide watch.

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>>44936194
>mfw this new meme gets Life from the Loam banned

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>>44936264
>>44936287

>>44936264
does MaRo not like dredge?

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>>44936438
Dredge makes maro stomp his feet and REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE more than Storm

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>people honestly think Ascendancy is going to be top tier

I like blue, red and white, but I don't want to play jeskai ascendancy combo.

Should I go beatdown with delvers, stormchaser mages and jeskai charms for +1/+1 and lifelink, coupled with burn/counter/removal?
Or should I go hard control with planeswalkers as finishers? I think the deck at the bottom of this article looks sweet, although I'd probably play a different planeswalker.
http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/daily-magic-update/january-18-2016-update-2016-01-18

>>44936470
why though? dredge is fun

former twin player who's /Scapeshift/ now. had them laying around and figured I'd give RUG a try.

Packing 3 spreading seas and a crumble to dust in the sideboard because my meta is overrun with eldrazi memedecks.

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>>44936649
Nobody knows.

Theories includes:
>Punishes BAD players
>Makes you think differently
>Antisemitism
>Non-linear play
>Out of the box thinking
>Weird gameplay
>Non-standard mechanics

>>44936802
Why is dredge antisemitic? I don't get the dredge nazi meme. The rest is on point though.

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Lands
1 x Forest
1 x Plains
1 x Swamp
2 x Gavony Township
1 x Godless Shrine
2 x Horizon Canopy
2 x Overgrown Tomb
2 x Razorverge Thicket
2 x Temple Garden
4 x Verdant Catacombs
4 x Windswept Heath

Creatures
1 x Spellskite
4 x Birds of Paradise
3 x Eternal Witness
1 x Fiend Hunter
4 x Kitchen Finks
1 x Murderous Redcap
3 x Noble Hierarch
1 x Scavenging Ooze
2 x Viscera Seer
3 x Voice of Resurgence
2 x Wall of Roots
2 x Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit
1 x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
2 x Melira, Sylvok Outcast


Noncreature Spells
4 x Chord of Calling
4 x Collected Company

Thoughts?

>>44937064
MaRo is jewish.
Dredge will buttfuck you in the pussy if you're a bad player that didn't plan ahead, and it's cheap hence it's a "jew slayer" (basically dredge gives 0 fucks about 60000 dollars super rare deck, it is defeated by good plays and cheap hate cards)
There is a nazi-dredge pasta which I seem to have lost

>>44937064
Dredge was the biggest rogue deck ever when it first came out. The jews lost a lot of shekels that day.

>>44937064
It's the cheapest legacy deck to make I believe (or second to burn) and one of the most effective
It goes against everything The Nose stands for

>>44937157
Tfw I posted the first dredge Nazi comparison. Feels good man.

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>>44937157
>Dredge will buttfuck you in the pussy
I don't know how that works but it sounds hot

>>44937178
When did modern dredgevine surface?

>>44937227
I dig it. I just think it looks fun to play. I saw a few matches of it, and I loved the graveyard interaction.

I run UR storm sometimes because I like to play solitaire. Do you think tron will be big enough of a presence to warrant me running it more? Or do you think everyone is going to turn to burn and I'll get butt fucked by Eidolons. Should I pick up the peices for jeskai ascendacy?

>>44931502
yo i just woke up i'll try to help out

satyr is the best turn 2 play as it doesn't put you down a card while grabbing a land. the problem with dredgevine is that you are never actually 'drawing', so you need to reliably have a land drop on each of the first 4 turns of the game. For these reasons I think 4 is a must.

Yeah I was playing with lightning axes and abrupt decays but it is just so weak compared to rites, and they do jack shit if you mill them


Fair point about the verdants, although the only way you are killing a moon is golgari charms out of the sideboard

I don't run loam. I understand that the deck is mana intensive and that you could potentially get both of your white mana producers dredged early on, but if you keep in mind to fetch them or grab with satyr over any other land you should be fine. Loam is too slow for what is essentialy a wonky combo deck

Against graveyard hate, we fold, or try to beat them down as fast as possible. RIP will kill us the majority of the time, unless we have sided in golgari charms. It shouldn't turn you down from playing the deck, as no one runs graveyard hate these days

sideboard options are excellent

4 ancient grudge means we are basically 100% for games 2/3 vs affinity

extra gnaws beat burn and creature based decks, and you can run slaughter games which hits lots of combo decks

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>>44934989
cards that should be unbanned: SFM, BBE, Sword of the Meek, Jace, Ancestral Vision, Preordain(Ponder really is op with fetchlands)

Why the fuck does everyone keep saying Jeski Combo is the new police deck?

Anyone have the new Jeskai Ascendancy list?

>>44937643
Because /tg/ is bad at magic

>>44937643
the only police deck that there will be in the new meta is tron which keeps fair decks "in check"(which means it completely removes them from the metagame)

>>44937656
www.memedeck.com

>>44937661
I now have the urge to see Karn asa corrupt cop pulling over birthing pod and twin

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These price jumps are going to destroy MTG.

Is it time to sell out and jump ship?

>>44937660
>>44937661

I mean, Jeskai Combo is a solitaire deck, it does not interact with your opponent to keep it in check.
So in the end, it cant be called a police deck.

>>44937712
People have been saying that for years. Just buy your shit on the cheap to protect yourself from scalpers.

>>44937712
>tfw I bought 12 inquisition for $8 each five minutes after the full Oath spoiler
Gonna get me a Volcanic and leave this godawful format.

>>44937713
It kind of is, in the sense that it ends the game before Tron can do anything relevant.

>>44937754
It also loses to practically every other deck

>>44937754
No it's not. It ain't deck to beat or a deck that keeps other decks out. Hell, it's very fragile to hate.

Has people played hatebear? How it's faring against decks-to-beat? Personally I find it good in meta, which abuses lands, but usually still has hard time keeping up with them. Also, when was the next Modern Masters supposed to come out?

>>44937754

If Jeskai got a Sylvan Caryatid + Jeskai Ascendacy on the field, they can just start comboing before any non blue deck reacts.

>>44937712
>price hikes.jpg
>Not price kikes. Jpg
You had one job

>>44937779
Eh, I'm not so sure. Against Infect and Burn it's a dice roll: either you win on T3 or they do. Probably you, because you have a very consistent T3.

You only really lose to countermagic and discard, and with GBx getting assraped out of the format by Tron, it looks pretty good.

>>44937713
The thing is it can be built combo control, as a highly interactive deck.

>>44937808
>If I just happen to have these cards in my opening hand
>If they just happen to stay on the field
>If it just so happens I make it to turn 4 with my opponent doing nothing

Wow this deck sounds excellent! I'm going to start building it right now! Clearly twin was the only thing keeping this monster of a deck down

>>44937804

Yeah, Hatebears destroy Jeskai Combo, but Hatebears is a good example of how a deck destroys a couple of decks (combo/storm) while gets fucked in the ass by the rest of the meta.

>>44937278
Repost>>44937404

>>44935615
>unbanning Jace

I want this to happen just to see the world burn

How does it win against Tron though?

Jace gets stronger the better your other cards are, but he seems lackluster if the best permission you can play is Mana Leak, and you have to hardcast your Batterskull

Also if he got unbanned, cards that are actually good outside their incestuous linear synergistic circlejerks will never be allowed into modern for fear of players being able to actually have fun
so business as usual
Give me Ponder or give me death REEEEEEEEEE

>>44937856
Really Jace wouldn't do much in modern honestly and the only people who want him to stay banned are either still asspained about caw-blade or timmies that don't like the color blue aka wotc

Most decks are so interactive that playing a Jace turn 4 is the least of anyones problems

>>44936649
Because MaRo hates fun
Geez, have you not been playing Magic the last few years?

>>44937603
>(Ponder really is op with fetchlands)

????

>>44937148
Why not to play kiki-chord. Or why is there no abrupt decays(is it bad in modern)? Is Voice of Resurgence good enough to run 3? Almost feel like spellskite should be played over it. Personally feel like you should play few lingering souls over 4x birds.

>>44937889
>so interactive

I meant un-interactive

>>44937577
>satyr is the best turn 2 play as it doesn't put you down a card while grabbing a land. the problem with dredgevine is that you are never actually 'drawing', so you need to reliably have a land drop on each of the first 4 turns of the game. For these reasons I think 4 is a must.
That makes sense. I'd just worry about late game with them. What about Birds of Paradise? I see some people running them.

>Yeah I was playing with lightning axes and abrupt decays but it is just so weak compared to rites, and they do jack shit if you mill them
That's what I'm afraid of.

>I don't run loam. I understand that the deck is mana intensive and that you could potentially get both of your white mana producers dredged early on, but if you keep in mind to fetch them or grab with satyr over any other land you should be fine. Loam is too slow for what is essentialy a wonky combo deck
I want to try it in the side at least.

>Against graveyard hate, we fold, or try to beat them down as fast as possible. RIP will kill us the majority of the time, unless we have sided in golgari charms. It shouldn't turn you down from playing the deck, as no one runs graveyard hate these days
Tron and eldrazi both run relics maindeck though. I'm guessing baiting them into blowing them up early would be the only way to get around them.

>4 ancient grudge means we are basically 100% for games 2/3 vs affinity

>extra gnaws beat burn and creature based decks, and you can run slaughter games which hits lots of combo decks
Thanks for all your help man.

>>44937892
No I stopped around scars block and haven't played the last few years until BFZ came out (I loved original zendikar). I'm kind of out of the loop. Hell, modern wasn't even a thing by the time I stopped.

>>44937838
Have you people ever played an engine combo deck? It's not exactly unrealistic to get there.

To go off, you need either a dork in play or a fatestitcher in grave. You run 4 birds and 4 caryatid, and caryatid has hexproof. You also have 4 looting, 4 serum visions, 4 soh, and 4 probe to find what you need.

You also need ascendancy. You have 4 glittering wish, and 3 ascendancy mainboard. Of course, you also have the aformentioned suite of 16 cantrips to find it.

Then you need one of those cantrips to win. It's redundant, fast, and powerful.

>>44937838

Not >>44937808, but he somehow is right. Cariatid have hexproof. Unless youcounter it or make your opponent discard it or sacrifice it, You will be fucked in the ass

>>44937804
Next Masters is 2017
Enjoy your $200 Goyfs

>>44937937
birds doesnt put cards in your yard

yeah dredge is usually a deck i play as a meta call but don't expect everyone to be running tron/memedrazi. they can still stumble, as you put a ton of pressure on them with bloodghasts and vengevines

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Post secret tech

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>>44937984
I feel like Jackal Familiar is strictly better.

>>44937984
How is that secret tech at all?

>>44937984
Bitter Ordeal.

Every deck should run fetches and ghost quarter. These generate free gravestorm, and can be used to step your opponents deck of key cards.

It won't win you games against affinity, but it will against tron, ad nauseam, jeskai, etc. Basically it makes any combo deck it's bitch.

>>44936171
were you playing BW tokens? I was watching a stream where a dude whiffed on jeskai ascendancy and then spent like 10 minutes just talking to viewers and tabbing back and forth between decks talking about what he would have needed to draw to win and some people started yelling at him to tab back and concede, he was making the poor guy wait forever

>>44938010
>can't block by itself
>Hound
>strictly better

I know /tg/ is bad at magic, but you could at least learn what the terminology means.

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What do you guys think of my first upgrade to my budget/just-getting-into-modern affinity deck?

I think I'm gonna pick up moxs and galvanic blasts first to try and speed things up and beat with more than just creatures. Or should I go with something else? Over time this is hopefully gonna become similar to any other tier 1 affinity deck, but for now I'm college student, so it's coming together in pieces.

>>44938149
>Hound
>Not strictly better than cat
Faggot detected

>>44938187
One of the reasons no one played tempered steel anymore was the advent of abrupt decay. Since jund is unplayable now I guess it's okay to run it but it seems kind if strange to go wide instead of deep.

>>44938214
I only play tempered because I don't have Arcbound/Master of Etherium/Steel Overseer. That's one of the next things on the way out, and I already took out 1 from my previous build

>>44938091
It's an ebin meme.

>>44938187
You need moxes. It is the first thing you should invest in

>>44938187
I really don't like Glacial Fortress. It feels bad in a deck that's trying to empty its hand as fast as possible. Have you considered Adarkar Wastes?

what deck pubstomps uninteractive combo? should I build 8rack? my store is full of "creative intellectual" types and I fully expect tonight to be full of people busting out their storm and ad nauseam decks and probably a few who have brewed up jeskai ascendancy and scapeshift and all that other crap. depending on how bad tonight goes I want to have a list in mind to put together to counter it next week

>>44938136
Nah, I don't stream and this was on Xmage

>>44938267
Yeah, but as I said I've got bigger purchases to make in the deck, and since the glacials will be replaced by inkmoth/blinkboth or glimmervoids eventually theres no reason to replace them right now

What should my manabase look like in Naya burn if I can't run ZEN fetches?

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Well. it doesnt matters who will win the Pro Tour or which is the best deck, all decks will be cautious this time.

>>44939211

Why the fuck is the dryad arbor there?

>>44939247
Goes in Bogles to make it even harder to remove the cunt. The deck most likely doesn't need it anymore since Tron is going to push Jund/Abzan out of the format soon anyway.

>>44939211
This comic is actually kind of how I feel

It's dangerous setting a precedent that you are banning decks in modern because they are "popular". Almost all of WotC's arguments for the twin ban were silly.

>>44939431

The reason gave WotC pointed that. If somehow a shitty deck like Jeskai Combo gets popular, they will find a shitty excuse to ban the jeskai ascendacy.

So what about Wr Death and Taxes with Magus of the Moon? I also like the ideas of winning out of nowhere with Kiki combo or being able to run the Akroma tech and actually use her firebreathing.

>>44939510
We had to ban jeskai ascendency it was holding back the other combo decks in those colors and also mumble mumble format diversity mumble now allow me to cherry-pick some results that favor my argument

>>44939577

Hahahaha you nailed it.

>>44939211
as long as you turn creatures sideways and point burn spells at your opponents face your deck is safe

wotc loves those decks so just play burn or zoo

>>44939211
>>44939625

I dont get why affinity is there. Affinity is not that powerful and is pretty vulnerable if you fuck up with ravager. Bogles is le meme non interactive deck and get shit on by Liliana and sacrifice effects.
Tron/Karn should be fucking there.

>>44939625
Except when they banned Wild Nacatl for reason

>>44939431
The unspoken reason of "we want Battle and Oath to dominate coverage" is the only one that really made sense for the Twin ban. It sets an even more dangerous precedent that decks can be banned from a non-rotating format so that new cards will be more widely played.

>>44939668
>Affinity is not that powerful

It's one of the most powerful and most played decks in the format

I don't even know how you could argue that it isn't

>>44939668
They're the two fast, synergistic aggro decks that try not to let their opponent interact. And if you think that Affinity isn't powerful consider this: everyone and their grandmother packs hate for it and it's still one of the best aggro decks in the format in terms of putting up results.

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For anyone who is tired of Modern and wants to play a good format online I can recommend Pauper.

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/pauper#online

meta should become more balanced after the ban

Decks are cheap (most tier 1 decks under 30$) and it has leagues on MTGO which are the best way to play competitively (it works similarly to arena in Hearthstone).

Also the color balance is right and not fucked up like in Modern.

>>44939716

Fuck off with your boring pauper shit.
That shitty format is for plebs like you who cant afford their fucking hobby. Get a real job and buy your shit.

>>44939736
I know Legacy is better, but it's stil better than Modern since you can do more than cast turn 3 Karn or play turn 1 Goblin Guide.

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Post youre favorite secret answers to voltron

>>44939756
Yeah you can cast a turn 1 Delver or.. Wait no that's about all you can do

>>44939786
Is this a new me me now?

>>44939786
That card is bad, not to mention not modern legal. Jackal Pup is way cooler anyways.

>>44939736
>>44939793
Your ignorance of pauper is showing if you think it's even close to a all delver format. It really is better than modern in a multitude of ways, even when excluding price differences.

>>44939812
>Jackal Pup is way cooler anyways
My brother from an African mother. Still have mine for nostalgia value.

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>>44939793
Face it, blue needs to be the best color otherwise the format turns into degenerate garbage like Modern.

Vintage and Legacy are both interactive and not linear formats just because blue keeps everything in check.

You will see how Modern turns out after they banned the last good blue deck.

>>44934989
Is the titan scapeshift deck from pittsburgh going to be better or worse with Twin gone?

>>44939895
Way better. You need to outrace it or you're probably dead.

>>44939924
That's what I was thinking. I'm building the deck right now because I got the scapeshifts right before the spike. My friends keep saying I should just build RUG scapeshift but I don't want to autolose to burn.

>>44939668
>Affinity is not that powerful and is pretty vulnerable
The deck was second only to Twin, and that's when everyone has a sideboard full of hate for the piece of shit deck. It's now the king of Modern.

>>44939821
It really is Delver the format though. I have about three Pauper decks now of which only one is Delver, but every time I play one of the other I find myself thinking
>"Why don't I run Delver in this? That seems way better."
And then I meet an opponent who doesn't run a Delver deck and I think to myself
>"Why doesn't he run Delver deck in that deck? That would be way scarier."

>>44939736
Playing pauper takes more skill than playing OP cards like the modern format even though I enjoy modern more. My opinion.
- Modern and Pauper player anon

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>the Thought-Knot Seers I bought when they were 3 euros each got shipped today
I hope the seller managed to write the address right through the tears

>>44939861
I have a gold boardered one somewhere, hope I can find it

>>44939736
Honestly, magic isn't a real hobby. Look around the lgs its all the shunned fucks of society

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Anyone wanna help me with this brew?
Once it gets going the value train is unreal, ripping people hands apart with Mournwhelk and keeping the board clear with recurring Fleshbags and Shriekmaws. Heartless makes Mulldrifter into U:draw 2.
So far it's playing well.

>>44939864
I still don't understand why they don't unban JtMS in modern.

Are they REALLY worried about control being too good? Hard control is literally un-viable in modern at the moment

>>44940159
It will be a 400 dollar card played in every blue deck with no chance of a standard legal reprint.

>>44940198
As opposed to scalding tarn?

>>44940136

You are speaking of yoursefl m8.

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>>44940198
>WoTC caring about the price of modern

Whats a good Jeskai list?

>>44940456
There is none because it's a meme

>>44940159

They are utterly terrified of repeating Spring 2011 standard.

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>>44940479
Nigga stop playing and link a decklist.

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Would you a Lilliana?

Why is she so perfect and aggressively-costed?

>>44940570
Wh-where do I buy something like that? Can I ask a Chinaman to make one for me?

>>44940456
>>44940559
It's a memedeck

Is "Colorless" a legal choice for Iona post Oath of the Gatewatch changes?

>>44940648

I made this one myself. I am sure you could too, Anon. Do you have an inkjet printer and about $10 to spare?

>>44940769
No you fucking idiot

>>44936287
i cant let this happen

>>44940785
I have no printer unfortunately, would the one at my local library work?

>>44940769
Colorless is not a color.

>>44940570
tfw i had a lilliana and left magic, sold it to a shop for $20

>>44940136

actually the magic people at my lgs arent even close to as bad as the yugioh

>>44940570
I would a Nahiri, Narset, or Chandra

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>>44940891
would you an alesha?

>>44940920
Is she the retarded one or the girlpenis one?

>>44937712
>Karplusan Forest on that list
Lol, bunch of people jumping on the Tron train, but refusing to drop $250+ on Burnwillow. Good for them.

>>44941011
holy fucking shit burnwillow is $80 a piece

>>44939211
>No Tron cards in the background
So close to being accurate.

>>44940136
Ehh, only like two people I can think of at my LCS are like that, and one of them makes food for us sometimes.

>>44940973
>Girlpenis
Its just a penis.

>>44940769
Colorless has always existed. Just because a new symbol represents strictly colorless doesn't mean the rules about colorless mana has changed.

>>44940140

How does this deck answer >le turn 3 karn

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>>44940973

>she

>>44940973
Fucking wizards. You can't even talk about a character without the forced tumblr snowflake memes. It could of just been some cool warrior lady but they had to throw the transgendered label on.

Why does everyone hate Star City Games? Their prices are only a few dollars more than the gutter shops, and they always manage to have things in stock, ship things on time, and package things correctly. Why are they so hated?

>>44941403
That's not even right though. There's a story about her and it's only mentioned once or so. Easy to miss too.

They actually handled it correctly. You're just uninformed, crying about your bogeyman

>>44940841

Nah, because those are almost always laserjet. You need an inkjet. Save up and pick one up for $50. Look for one that has a resolution of 2400 dpi as your intro printer, or you can shell out $100 for a Canon Pixma MX922 and get that sweet doubled resolution.

ash can you post your femenine penis already

>>44941525
Because they facilitate buyouts and control the market.

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Since I got some interest in the Liliana of the Cute proxy that I made, I figured I would share my methods.

1. Download Magic Set Editor.
2. Make the card you want. The program is piss-easy to use. I use Safebooru for art so that it doesn’t get too lewd.
3. Go to Wal-Mart and buy Mod Podge, 100 percent pure Acetone, clear coat in a spray can, some makeup sponges, and some double-sided tape.
4. Print your card on a plain piece of paper. This is your “carrier sheet.”
5. Find some foils that you don’t want. I use Modern Masters 2015 because they are the easiest to peel.
6. Dip the corner of your foil in the Acetone and dig at the corner with your nail until the foil layer peels. You should be left with a plain, white card.
7. Dip your makeup sponge in the Mod Podge and pat the card until the entire white surface is nice and coated. Let the Mod Podge dry.
8. Apply double-sided tape to the center of your carrier sheet.
9. Stick the card, white side up, onto the carrier sheet.
10. Put the carrier sheet into the printer and print out your card.
11. Gently pick up the piece of paper. DON’T TOUCH THE INK. Lay it down and hit the card with a cat of clear coat. I use gloss since it looks nice.
12. Let it dry then put that bitch in a sleeve.

Pic related is another proxy/fake that I made. Are they perfect? No. Do they look good. Most of the time.

>>44941525
>They just happen to have all of the cards needed for the up and coming new Modern metagame in plenty of stock.

What a coincidence.

did they ban splinter twin?

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>>44941671
Yes they did, in addition to Summer Bloom. Hail to the king, baby.

>>44941643
>one of the largest stores in the world for a popular game has a very large stock and inventory of cards
what a coincidence indeed

>>44941525
>Their prices are only a few dollars more than the gutter shops

This is the reason.

>>44941526
I talked about Alesha with the players at my LCS when she was released. Everyone knew about the tranny thing, and a good amount of people thought it was stupid pandering. Frankly, I don't see why exactly WotC would even pander to trannies. Most of their clientele are male college students, and they certainly do not give a single fuck about trannies.

>>44941717
At this point you're just naive if you don't think SCG have access to early information regarding bans that they use to gouge the market. Name the cards from Twin and Amulet that have spiked in value in the last month. I can wait.

>>44941767
Part of WotC's marketing plan is increasing outreach to people of color, women, queer people, etc. and they can very easily do that by just representing said people in their game

>>44941702
it's about time honestly.
But wizards doesn't seem to care about balance.

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>>44941011
>Play Burn
>See this

>>44941525
A lot of the reasons have been posted, but this is how I see it
>Large sphere of influence. Enough capital to practically control the market.
>Have bought out cards, then relisted the cards at increased prices.
>Say that cards are "sold out" to induce market panic.

>>44941767
I am pretty sure everyone is their target audience.
I think the Alesha thing was blown out of proportion. it's just a character.

>>44941783
haha yeah you're right, SCG sure needs to gouge the market, it's not like they ARE the market already, and have expanded their business outside of just selling cards to a degree where they're an omnipresent force in the game. I'm sure they need to worry about every last shekel they can squeeze by participating in essentially insider trading. #staywoke, brother

>>44941558

That doesn't make any sense. How are you going to make money on a "buyout" if you're buying cards at the market optimal rate?

>>44941835
They can do that by getting control of the second hand market and making shit cheaper, since minorities are poor

>>44941888
>>44941011
I've had my burnwillows forever.
#RG Combo Lands

>>44941888
Tron would probably lose to burn anyway, so not that big of a deal.

>>44941907
like i don't like SCG and I've never bought from them, but there's better shit to spend your time on than conspiring about some company, just stop buying their shit dude what else you gonna do, sign a petition?

it's amusing when tron first came out, I bought a playset of EVERY printing of the urza lands...for 12 cents each.

>>44941893
honestly, it doesn't come up in the game itself if you're so #triggered by a small, irrelevant piece of lore then don't read it buddy

>>44941835
Women and people of color have always been represented in the game. You don't know that a fag is a fag unless you specifically say so, and specifically saying this character is a fag has nothing to do with wizard battles so it becomes blatant pandering that makes the rest of us eye roll.

>>44938953
4 Wooded foothills
4 bloodstained mire
4 windswept heath
3 mountain
1 stomping ground
4 sacred foundry

>>44941907
You don't make money by passing up on opportunities to make money.

>>44941914
didn't say that was their only plan pal, and maybe but money is money

>>44941938
>le just ignore it meme
No one here buys from scg, but scg has market influence regardless

>>44941893
Obviously everyone wants to target everybody. Most things have core fanbases that are comprised of a certain background. You don't wanna make your core fanbase mad. Alesha wasn't something offensive to the core fanbase, but it was certainly seen as something stupid by the core.
And an aside, do people really think queers will play a game just because lol we wrote in a queer character? That sounds incredibly offensive to somebody's intelligence.

>>44942025
why did I say aside? I meant side note.

>>44942025
WotC seems so convinced the story in their game is such a big appeal for a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure most people play MtG because they want a good fucking card game

>>44942025
>do people really think queers will play a game just because lol we wrote in a queer character? That sounds incredibly offensive to somebody's intelligence
You'd he surprised. Also wizards doesn't care about queers, they care about getting sjw brownie points so they can pat themselves in the back about how "progressive" they are

>>44937710
>next update, Karn is banned
>"even the cop gets in trouble"

>>44939985
I'm late as fuck but
>Why doesn't he run delver in stompy
>Why doesn't he run delver in affinity
>Why doesn't he run delver in MBC
Really man?

>>44942025
it's called representation and it's a staple of marketing

>>44939716
>the format will become more balanced with the killing of the last combo deck

>>44942025
>Alesha wasn't something offensive to the core fanbase, but it was certainly seen as something stupid by the core.

define the core. Are we talking about the vocal but minority spike players or the largest bulk of the player base that plays edh and isn't even aware of alesha's background.

> Everyone knew about the tranny thing, and a good amount of people thought it was stupid pandering

Almost no one I knew at my lgs cared. There was the unfunny nerd who loudly announce she was a tranny and looked around for approval as if he had just pointed out a hilarious observation

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I hope this whole eternal masters thing turn out to be true and it either means that they abolish the reserve list or create a new legacy like format without reserve list cards.

This means that they can finally turn Modern into Standard 2.0 and give players who want to play real magic a affordable and therefore more popular option.

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>>44942254
>means that they abolish the reserve list
There's setting yourself up for disappointment and then there's having schizophrenic delusions

>>44942254
Chronicles on format called hyperextended, I could dig it.

>>44942301
I doubt they would just reprint non reserve list cards since that would just make duals more expensive and wouldn't really make the format more affordable.

I think if it's true it has to be one of those 2 options.

>>44942326
It's probably just an MTGO exclusive set with rereleases of eternal staples.

>>44939668
When was the last time Affinity actually won anything?
I can't remember despite it being such a popular deck, I don't even remember it in the top 8 of the last several SCG Opens

>>44942434
Top 8'd in Cincinnati. Twice.

>tfw have Modern and Legacy Burn
The decks are easily interchangeable because the core is so similar
Thinking of also building Legacy Sneak Show (no duals)

>>44942478
Which is amazing considering how much hate there it's for it.

>>44942558
>Thinking of also building Legacy Sneak Show (no duals)

Just build Omni-Tell, it's a much more interesting deck. Sneak and Show is braindead simple

>>44942602
I played the deck, it makes sense. It wins game one hands down and then it's a struggle for games two and three. The fact that you'll need to try to close 1 game out because the other is an auto win is what does it. There's so many game where your opponent just doesn't draw their sideboard hate

>>44941567
What kind of printer do you use?

Doesn't the printer bend the card and ruin it?

>>44942672
Not parent but I have an HP 8000 series deskjet and it works find for this.

So I had a thought about building for that janky Retraction Helix+Jeskai Ascendancy combo. Any ideas for what would be good? I like the idea of running Chalice of the Void and Tormod's Crypt as the 0cmc permanents because they accidentally hate some decks, and I like the idea of using hasty creatures like Swiftspear and Stormchaser because you can blink them to dodge spot removal and still combo off that turn.

Could a deck like that go anywhere?

>>44942752
Splash G for commune with the gods? It digs for most of what you need.

>>44942670
It's not THAT much of a struggle in games 2 and 3 because you just bring in Thoughtseize. If he can't answer you before you Thoughtseize it out of his hand, Affinity wins.

>>44942886
>Ban Glimmervoid

>>44942882
Part of why I liked keeping it to Jeskai is that 4c is pretty fucking greedy. And I recalled right after I said it that blinking can't save your dude after you've cast Retraction Helix, so that's a thing.

Shit's hard when you're just making it up as you go.

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>>44942103
I was going to spend 2 hours editing this to have it with Splinter Twin, Bloom and Tron but I decided not to

>>44943013
It wouldn't be accurate anyway, Tron isn't banned yet

I have a prerelease promo of kozilek's return. Should I try to sell it now or wait to see if it gets used in BR eldrazi so that it might increase in value?

>>44943233
Sell now. Always sell into hype on mythics

Should I run Serum Visions in Jeskai midrange?

why is infect considered a combo deck?

>>44942886
You don't bring in 4 thoughtseize so seeing it before turn 2 isnt always likely. That said turn one thoughtseize take stony silence feels so fucking good

relative noob question- where do you guys sell your cards? ive looked into my lgs but after seeing some sites offering twice as much for what i have, im leaning towards online. do you sell online and what sites do you use? does your lgs offer fair prices and mine is just a greedy bastard? i dont mind supporting the lgs, but with online offering so much more money, its hard to justify selling to the store. especially considering that im pretty poor, and getting a good price for these cards is the only way i will be able to put together a proper competitive deck in the near future.

>>44943810
An LGS, just like most businesses, is never ever going to pay you retail price for any card you have, for the simple reason they are a business and they need to make their profit.
They will generally offer more in store credit, but it's still not gonna be what the card is actually worth.
If you can't sell it to privately, ebay is probably your best bet, but even then you're gonna have to pay some fees and if the buyer complains they're probably going to side with him.

>>44943351
Why not?

>>44944014
Some say midrange doesn't need the deck manipulation.

>>44944036
I like it as a card. It with snapcaster flashback late game gives you a lot of gas against other midrange decks. It's your answer to thoughtseize by having a good filter of topdecks. Thoughtseize decks need to hope to top deck better but visions fixes that for you.
But idk whats good in the new meta

>>44936067
Aquire says Hello

>>44943940
i understand that im not going to get retail price from anywhere except a person-to-person transaction, and i understand the cost of operating a storefront. i understand why the lgs doesnt offer as much as the online stuff, and i dont fault them for it- theyve got bills to pay. i didnt mean to chastise my lgs or anything, i was just wondering if other lgs offered more than 50% of online, or if they were lowballing me because im new around there. i guess what im more referring to is sites like strikezone, or star city games, etc. with their buylist thing. i dont really want to deal with ebay, sour past experiences and such.

Want to play something else than Std and Draft. Found a budget Esper Control deck online an tried to tweak it to make it a bit better. This is about 120$ and I can't afford much more. What do you think ?

Lands

x2 Faerie Conclave
x4 Island
x3 Glacial Fortress
x2 Shambling Vent
x4 Drowned Catacomb
x4 Swamp
x4 Plains

Creatures

x4 Shriekmaw
x4 Mulldrifter


Other spells

x3 Path to Exile
x4 Condescend
x3 Dimir Charm
x4 Mana Leak
x3 Dismember
x4 Esper Charm
x4 Lingering Souls
x2 Supreme Verdict
x2 Unburial Rites


Sideboard:

x1 Dispel
x1 Drown in Sorrow
x4 Duress
x1 Fracturing Gust
x2 Hurkyl's Recall
x1 Suppression Field
x3 Timely Reinforcements
x2 Tormod's Crypt

>>44935526
Switch to jund
Run Fulminators and Crumbles in the side
Pray you're on the play and use Fulminator and Crumble on curve.

>>44944105
I think of it as general draw smoothing mid-late game and something to do on the early turns.

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Trying to get into modern on a budget using delvers, burn and counterspells (jeskai). Any tips on how to tweak this deck? I like Disdainful Stroke in mainboard, as it stops anything Tron ramps into. Any better ideas when it comes to counterspells? I'm also uncertain on the sideboard. Could Deflecting Palm throw off opponents in some match ups, for example Infect? I imagine it could be great, but maybe I'm wrong.

>>44944489
you should buy some young peezy. they are cheap.

Don't need the plans walker.

And you might as well go to 4 path to exile.

Remands are good and they're cheap now.

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>>44943013
You mean something like this?

>>44944606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAXKOCfo90c

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>>44944606
Oh fuck you. I was gonna post this, and my Internet died.

>>44944659
this one is better

>>44944659
Mark "Leading formats to slaughter" Rosewater

>>44944757
"Gas the formats"
- Mark "The Big League Jew" Nosewater

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>>44937157

is BUG infect still a thing anymore or does everyone just run UG

>>44944489
where are the jeskai ascendancies

>>44944908
I've seen BUG infect with Mirran Crusader, yeah, but adding that third color can slow your gameplan sometimes.

>>44945026
>Mirran Crusader
a 1WW creature? in a BUG deck?

>>44945026
>>44945058
*Phyrexian Crusader

>>44945085
gotcha, thanks. most builds i've seen only splash for plague stringer and ioks in the board, but he looks neat. T3 seems a little late for infect, though

>tfw the best part of magic is playing an interactive, grindy, attrition type of game with the best player making the best plays to maneuver the game state so that they come out on top
>interactivity is dead

what do guys

>>44944180
Anyone ?

>>44945319
Pauper mah boy

>>44944180
Esperfag here.

Problems I see

>Leak + Path
Logic Knot exists, play either that or Negate. You're trying to play the long game, so your opponent will hit lots of land drops so leak will become dead fast.

Lingering Souls isn't that great right now, because if you tap out for it on turn 3, you just die to combo.

Dimir Charm is bad. I'd replace it with some actual removal or countermagic instead.

Why the fuck are you playing Crypt when Rest in Peace exists.

I don't even get why you have Rites in this deck. Bringing back a mulldrifter? At sorcery speed too? I don't like it.

You're not even maxing out on paths.

23 lands is way too few for a control deck, plus you don't have a lot of ways to reliably hit land drops like with Think Twice. There's not even Collonade, which is a non-negotiable aspect of Esper Control.

Timely reinforcements is pretty bad against burn, it can just hold up skullcrack all game long so by the time you can resolve it, you're already dead.

Shit man, is this supposed to be a budget list?

>>44945319
That was the Abzan Winter, anon.

Now we're in the Tron Summer. Hope you bought your foil Grove of the Burnwillows™ from StarcityGames™!

Ban Tron so Junk can rise again

>>44945361
Link it. Don't dump your list here.

>>44945476
I remember when Jund/Junk were overrunning modern and people actually interacted with each other.

That was nice.

>>44945137

Possible to turn 2 it with noble hierarch

>>44945476
And then everyone complains that Modern sucks because WotC only cares about turning Rhinos sideways.

>>44945476

I don't get it

When Abzan was everywhere, people complained that it was just brainless "turn creatures sideways"

Now it's portrayed as a good competitive archetype being unfairly shit on by tron

>>44945518
always forget about hierarch

>>44945538
>>44945558
The appropriate response to this is to just nuke modern

>>44945575

Phyrexian crusader is still hardly played because as you said turn 3 is kinda late in infect, but it's not a bad creature

>>44945558
Opinions of individuals anon. Don't be so foolish as to believe the tiny sample size here is any indication of the bigger picture.

>>44945590
Mark "Magic's Dire Equalizer" Rosewater

>>44945476
>yfw they RELEASE DE MEMES

Abzan... eldrazi

>>44945506
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-91-26-tix-modern-evoke-control

here. I changed almost everything in the SB and added some manlands and one Path but it's basically the same deck.

>>44945590
Mark "Slam 'er with the banhammer" Rosewater

>>44945693
I commented on your list earlier.

Yeah, this is a budget deck. Budget decks, when they're extremely linear and proactive aren't that bad, but if your goal is to be reactive and answer what other people do, then you need the best of the best and you can't afford budget options.

http://deckstats.net/deck-8916821-60f1bd31ca4b7062f836705065cebe96.html

This deck is like... tier 3 and its running some of the best control cards available to it.

Hey looks like I'll be leaving my shitty small town this fall, don't know where I'm going though. Should I try to go to the west coast or east coast, which place has better organized magic? I think it's the east but I don't remember.

>>44937603
unban lotus

Is scapeshift the freshest meme deck on the block since it was never good?

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Opinion on pic related as an answer to a Tron/Affinity/Burn heavy meta? Or would it better in Bant colors?

>>44946054
fuck, selesnya*

>>44945816
>>44945462

I did say it was a budget deck, I also said I couldn't afford much more than 120$ worth of cardboard.

The reason why I prefer crypt to RIP is because RIP exiles from all yards while crypt is only my opponent's and I have some yard recursion.

>>44946125
Graveyard heavy decks can grind through Crypt, they literally fold at RiP.

As long as you're okay with that, then sure.

>>44946054
>>44946118

G/W Infect? What are the pros and cons vs 'meta' G/U Infect? Give me the rundown, I'm interested.

Also, what about Selesnya Charm? What are your thoughts on that card?

>>44946157
Yhea I know, I'm trying to make the best of the deck but I don't really know if it is possible at all to run a decent control deck in modern for relatively cheap.

The Knowledge Pool deck from the same guy looks fun too but can't help myself to think it's super janky.

>>44942068

Fucking this. I don't read any off the stuff they post on the mothership about the storylines for sets.

>>44946301
>Selesnya Charm
The first effect is essentially a more expensive Rancor, and the third effect is pay G/W for a chump blocker (which if needed, Dryad Arbor fulfills that in U/G, so). The second effect I think would make Selesnya charm is a potential SB card against B/x Eldrazi and Tron, which is essentially the whole point of splashing white.

In regards to U/G vs. G/W, while blue provides the ability to counter, white provides answers. Lost Leonin, the new two drop, swaps being unblockable for an extra point of damage. This is honestly not a preferable trade, but being able to Krosa/Groundswell x2 and swing for lethal without exalted is nice. White provides us with removal that blue doesn't, protection (emerge unscathed can protect us from a bolt/dismember and swing in unblocked next turn), better artifact hate, leylines, and we can still counter with mana tithe.

I'm not 100% sold on the concept, but I think it has viability, and if nothing else, U/G/W Infect w/ Path, and Leyline and Stony Silence in the SB seems solid itself

>>44939996
Unless you bought more than multiple playsets, I don't think he's gonna lose any sleep over 4 eurocuck-bucks.

>>44945882
I'd go east coast. Higher population = more likely to have tournaments and shops.

>>44945882
Go kill yourself.

>>44946404
Control decks are very questionable in modern when you have an unlimited budget.

The list I posted crushes BGx/Twin (rip), usually really good vs. other blue decks but gets btfo by a lot of combo decks. You can tune the deck I posted to be 50/50 ish against aggro (Spell Snare, Path, Condemn go a long way in making the aggro matchups not suck).

Unfortunately, modern is a format that's defined by its linear turn 2-3 combo decks, so the deck is always going to be tier 3, even if its great against fair decks.

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>Play elves because fun.dek
>Had a great time over the last few weeks playing modern, beating twin with clutch sideboard plays and decent strats
>Crushed by tron every time, but not too worried as only one guy at our LGS runs it and we're very good friends so the autoloss is less of a big deal
>Twin ban
>Oh no
>EVERYONE starts hoarding tron and scapeshift parts
>mfw

I might have to invest in cloudstone cheerios just to see if I can get my head around the infinite elves combo deck, because regular elfball just will not cut it in the new modern meta thanks to Tron now being such a beast

>>44946980
Isn't Tron bad against really fast aggressive decks? I would think Elves is fast enough to kill them before Ugin comes online.

>>44947007
Pyroclasm destroys your early game dorks and really sets you back at least a turn or two, which is all tron needs to drop a karn and ruin your game plan

All is dust is also a huge threat, and now that kozileks return is going to drop straight into tron's mainboard I really don't know of anything that you can really do.

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Post secret tech

>>44947066
Yeah for me, I play Esper so its different. Its not pyroclasm that fucks up my shit, its eye of ugin.

I can counter turn 3 karn, turn 4 ugin, turn 5 ulamog with Logic Knot, cryptic command, path to exile respectively, but then eye just keeps tutoring up threat after threat and I can't keep up and I never draw my fucking ghost quarters when I need them to hit eye.

The really shitty part is if I spend my turn casting a threat, then tron will just o-stone kill it, or jam karn, kill it and then start stone raining lands.

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Have you foiled anything recently anon? I just bought set of these bad boys.
How do you feel about foils in general? I tend to avoid them for some of the older cards. Specifically modern bordered cards. They're commonly heavily warped in my experience but it sometimes depends on the set. Lorwyn is a big offender but Mirrodin isn't that bad. Neither had a particularly good foiling process.

>>44947066
I'm not impressed with K's Return. I will continue using Pyroclasm until results prove me incorrect.

>>44947371
>I'll wait for other people to play it first so I can braindead copy it if its actually good

>>44947371
Kills Etched Champions and Inkmoths.

>>44947425
Etched Champion is a bum. Master of Etherium is the future

>>44947425
I don't care about Etched Champion and Ghost Quarter kills Inkmoth.

>>44945882
Check SCG's event map. I think most tourneys are on the east coast, but certain cities on the west coast also have a lot of tourneys.

>>44947611
Considering Affinity and Infect and Tron's worst match-ups, you should.

>>44947399
Why are you playing a competitive format if that's your attitude?

>>44947648
Netdecking =/= Braindead copying everything in the latest GP results

>>44947642
I play against both every weekend. Etched Champion has never been a problem and I have a 8+ ways to get GQ in my hand for Inkmoth.

>>44947671
>letting other people do the testing before investing yourself

Sounds exactly like net decking.

>>44947787
>"investing" is now adding 2 cards to your deck and trying it out

Sounds exactly like being a retarded faggot who can't do anything himself.

>>44947818
Chill out man. It's just a card game.

>>44947818
>>44947787
>playing objectively bad decks for the sake of being different

sounds like autism to me

>>44947939
except that tron is, you know, tier 0.5 right now

>>44947979
I'm mocking people who think brewing is the pinnacle of intellectual activity.

Kill yourself.

>>44947818
Those two cards cost 20 dildollars a piece. I'm not about to drop $40 on cards that MIGHT be good. Plus it will probably go down when it receives barely any play in tomorrow's Standard Open.

>>44948076
Actually $15 dollars now. See? Already dropping.

>There's a tron player at LGS who beats up on aggro decks all day long
>he says affinity/infect are 80/20 matchups in his favor
>the rest of the internet says tron won't be an issue, affinity/infect will keep tron in check

>>44948016
yeah I was that guy. No im not saying you should brew or not netdeck. im saying that if you cant even be bothered to switch 2 cards for proxies and test a few games to try and understand why it might be bad/good, you maybe should end your life to make it easier for your family

>>44948116

What about burn?

>>44948231
the burn players in my area are all on the Nacatl burn lists with more dudes and he always seems to hit turn 3 Koz return to wipe the board, then Jam an ulamog and cut them completely off their mana.

>>44948231
I've won a single match against burn and that's only because was able to stick Wurmcoil asap and swing at least once before he took my head off. I get wrecked every other time.

>>44936649
Because MaRo jacks off to creatures, since they are the ultimate "interactive fun". He won't rest until magic is just a bunch of creatures with spells stapled onto them crashing into each other.

>>44937148
Run Archangel of Thune and Spike Feeder

>>44948319

>he always seems to hit a card that just was released today

What?

I did it fampais, I won 2nd with Jeskai Ascendancy in FNM. Field was 3 RG Trons, 1 B/W memedrazi, 2 Elves, 1 Affinity, 1 Naya Burn, 2 Naya Zoos, 1 Jund, 1 Scapeshift and some other decks I didnt get to have a good look at

I just used the traditional Glittering Wish build. I like how the deck absolutely shits on Tron, Elves and Scapeshift though, since they're too busy trying to masturbate to their own thing than interact with yours. The scapeshift one was a bit harder since they can just Cryptic Command you, but they can't do it forever.

Worst matchup is obviously Jund, they have all the shit that make sure you can't do anything but cantrip into shit you dont even need. They have decays for your Ascendancies and Liliana having to fuck over your hand.

I really need to join ore tournaments with this, it really might be the next real thing

>>44948330

Wurmcoil is obviously the key card in the burn matchup

Now that twin and bloom are gone, tron will presumably have to focus more on the "only decks that can beat it", aggro and burn

What sideboard deck do you think will become more popular?

>>44940198
They could just put him in a non-Standard premium pack or something.
Hell, they could kill several flies with one stone and print a couple other big money cards too, maybe ease transition into Modern.

Man, wouldn't it be great if they made a product like that? Just nothing but great Modern staples? I bet they'd sell like hotcakes, even if priced above normal MtG products.

>>44941914
kek

>>44941908
>not realizing most tournament staples are completely price inelastic
I want these brainless macroeconomics students to fuck off and kill themselves

Economics is the gender studies of fiscally-oriented studies.

>>44941567
I'm not sure I getcha
You print the card onto an A4 carrier sheet, then you stick the peeled foil to the A4 by its back, and print directly onto the peeled foil?
Won't you end up with a card that has the card face on both sides?

>>44942326
>I doubt they would just reprint non reserve list cards since that would just make duals more expensive and wouldn't really make the format more affordable.

Because clearly WotC cares about doing things properly instead of just printing money for themselves.

>>44948976
Man I think that's kinda harsh towards economics. Even if you get most of your economics courses completely wrong you still walk out of it knowing that markets can be regulated to be healthy - and be rightfully pissed off when they're not.

I know what you're getting at. I wish everyone actually learned what they were teaching in economics courses. That information is actually incredibly useful to understanding how our world works. Unfortunately how the courses are structured you can show up for literally zero classes and still 100% the course because it's mostly memorization.

>>44945319
Play Legacy

>>44949194
>Blue: the Miraclling
Yeah nah, thanks.

>>44948715
I'm not sure but I'm confident Rending Volley will remain a thing despite the loss of Twin. I'd like to find some better burn tech. I'm told Sun Droplet is worth checking out. I might also look into some artifact destruction that doesn't cost 1. Hate Bears almost sniped a game from me with Chalice.

>>44949269
This desu

>>44949283
>>44949283

New thread

>>44949182
You are right it's harsh and not really true, it's just that some people who play Magic have an unwarranted sense of self-importance and greatly overestimate their understanding of practically everything and so I want to punch them in the mouth but can't because internet.

The armchair economists of Magic reek of having dropped out after their 1st year, or maybe even high school considering how they only speak in economics memes.

It's as if they were all redditors.

>>44949194
You mean the format where if you aren't playing miracles, you're playing an objectively shit deck?

>>44949378
When asked what I wanted for Christmas this past year I said, "For every child to take classical philosophy, human biology, and micro/macro economics before they leave high school". I wish that it was as easy as name-dropping a fallacy to win arguments but our society just doesn't get it, not that their ignorance is their own fault.

I'm an armchair economist as well. I only took the university-level courses in high school so I wouldn't have to in university. I loved economics so much, it was one of the real eye-openers.

I think the problem is that most everything in economics is named something logical. Even if you don't fucking remember what the phrase means the name itself explains it to you. Even "inelastic good" is too cryptic for people but "market rate" is easy enough to wildly throw around. Nobody uses "tragedy of the commons" because that is just too damn cryptic. I bet most people use "monetary policy" (wrong) all the time but would be hard pressed to use "fiscal policy" because they don't even know what the word means. I privately get annoyed any time someone uses "ironic" wrong.

>>44949639
Personally I am in favor of making the terms used in every field of study so obscure as to be impenetrable by anyone outside the field in which it's used.

Maybe start using that Star Trek language where practically everything is a reference to some story or another.

>>44949679
Oh man, totally in agreement. When you have ridiculous bullshit language it sets up a barrier that demands that participants need to contribute some amount of fucks-given to learn the language so as to not look like a complete faggot.

I sail sometimes.

When I was first learning, I had to learn the parts of a boat. The parts of a boat are named by elitist motherfuckers. Ropes are "sheets"; turning is "tacking". Either you made the small effort to learn this nonsense or you quit out of shame.

Magic itself has all these idiot terms: Fetchlands, Grey Ogre, Kiki-Chord. The moment someone refers to black mana as a "swamp" the ears prick up and someone politely corrects that person. But the market terms are open to all sorts of inaccurate bullshit.

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