MtG Modern General

wtf with all the spikes ?
Modern is getting as expensive as Legacy without the safety to get buttfucked by random bans.
Just ordered 50$ chinamen cards because a 40$ uncommon is just complete bullshit. Fuck you jews of the coast, fuck you star of david games REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>44915244
>f with all the spikes ?
>Modern is getting as expensive as Legacy witho


turn 3 sorcery spell against tron.
Enjoy your resolved karn/wurmcoil

Should I build Scapeshift or Abzan Midrange?

>>44915526
If I'm on the play this sets them back a turn and they can't cast Karn or Wurm

Try this shit online for solitaire fun;

18 Island
4 Calciform Pools

2 Snapcaster Mage
4 Serum Visions
1 Telling Time
4 Remand
4 Exhaustion
1 Cryptip Command
4 Time Walk
4 Walk the Aeons
4 Temporal Mastery
2 Part the Waterviel
1 Temporal Trespass
4 Dictate of Kruphix
2 Howling Mine
1 Elixir of Immortality

Lil Jace is fun in the deck but he gets killed often. Add more waterviels if you'd like but I find 2 works.

Survive until turn 5 using counters, then with extra draws you can have infinite turns.

>>44915244
>What is set of Warping Wail in every Tron side after tomorrow

>>44915508

The question is: are the proxies any good?

I'm worried we won't be seeing any more Modern-level cards all year long because MaRo is making a point to feature shit about players saying powerful cards are shit and modern doesn't matter in standard set design.

The eldrazi are obviously an accident since they're not actually powerful in standard and wouldn't see play if they couldn't play 8 sol lands in modern.

>>44916418
Rosewater is a lying kike and he doesn't get a say in power level anyway

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>>44916002
>mfw foil warping wail is currently $20

>>44916487
This bubble is looking more dangerous by the day. Specially now that the dollar is assraping other currencies and international sales are at an all time low.

>>44916487
>not buying non-foil for 1.50euros each from your local dealer who has to compete with MKM prices

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>>44916693
Having a real free market sure is great

So now that twin is dead what amazing tier 1 UR deck will take it's place to change up the meta?

Is it nothing?

>>44916768
delver

>>44916768
Clearly Jeskai Control and Temur Tempo. Did you not read WotC's article on why they banned Splinter Twin?

>>44915508
>wtf with all the spikes ?
Large vendors like SCG and ChannelFireball were given advance knowledge of the bans by an insider at Wizards. This allowed them to predict what would happen to the metagame, and start capitalizing off it. Note how Twin and Amulet never rose in price during all of the price rises, and all of the cards that rose in price have a place in either Burn, Affinity, Tron, or the remaining uninteractive combo decks.

You're all being played for a bunch of idiots.

>>44916530
Yesterday Seedborn Muse went from $14 to $35.

>>44916810
>jeskai control

Won't happen

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Is there anything stopping me from doing this, slapping trample on the Searblades and winning due to a theoretical infinite attack power?

>>44916984

path to exile.

>>44916984
Ghost Quarter

>>44916831
Prophet of Kruphix got banned in commander so now everyone needs a leyline of anticipation and a seedborne muse to replace it.

>>44917008
>>44917011
I mean, obviously other can counter this, but there wouldn't be any legitimate complaints to a judge about me using Fumarole's ability infinite times during my turn would there?

>>44917016
>Nephalia Drownyard just rotated out so now everyone needs Jace, Memory Adept to replace it
Heh.

>>44916984
The fact that you're playing a shit 4 drop stops it.

>>44917032
Why would there be? IRL you can just shortcut it.

>>44917040
That's not the same thing. Prophet was what happens when leyline had seedborne's baby and was run in most u/g or u/g/x lists.

>>44917065
It's sort of the same. The implication is that one card which does everything you want it to can be replaced by hamfisting cards that do similar things into your deck. You can Green Sun for Prophet and get the entire Muse/Leyline package. Without Prophet, you can Green Sun for Muse, but you need to naturally draw the Leyline. It's just not the same.

>>44916461
Whoa there, Herr Hitler. Time to simmer down there, champ. Tiger. Sport.

>>44916831
How long can this be sustained?
RIght now everywhere but north-america, western europe, s. korea, japan and australia are being priced out of product by disadvantaged type exchange on already poor economies. I don't know about mexico but canada and america are looking famelic when it comes to LGS attendance and even SCG's events are drawing less people than other seasons.

How long until one hoarder chickens out and the wave comes crashing down on the secondary market?

>>44916984
It's a turn 5 combo at the earliest.
Most likely turn 6+ since you need to give that shit trample/unblockable/protection and hold a counter for Path.
By turn 6 you're facing Ugin and Karn, Ulamog, Blight Herder and Oblivion Sower, 6+ 3/3 flying vigilance tokens, or have already been dealt 28-32 combat/12+poison damage by Burn, Affinity or Infect.

>>44917083
Go back to tumblr, Mark.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/mono-black-8-rack-modern-discard/

Is this still a decent 8rack list to build or did bfz/khans change the deck a bbit?

>>44917088
>famelic attendance
My north west England LGS is lucky if it gets enough people to even do a standard FNM these days. The LGS is actually nicer now than it was a couple years ago, but INN/RTR standard could pull 20-30 on an average FNM with ease. You could actually build a deck you liked back then for like $100 tops and do well with it. Now you can't build quirky decks, everything is either terrible or stupidly powerful and powerful. $500-$800 for a deck that rotates out faster than ever and isn't even fun to play.

It's beanie babies all over again.

>>44917148
8rack isn't decent

>>44917148
Asking for opinions on a deck that can't top 8 in the first place is pointless. You don't need opinions on decks because results speak for themselves. Taking 8rack back to the drawing board and approaching it from another angle is likely the best option.

>>44917065
you mean seedborn muse fucked teferi

>>44917129
>>44917040
>>44917011
>>44917008
He's asking you whetever the rules let him do that, not whetever it would be viable, you damned autists.

>>44917186
He should go read the rules then, do I look like a walking manual?

>>44917186
Surely the fact that no one has said no should make it obvious that it's a yes it does work.

>>44916984
Hey that's actually a pretty solid combo
Can't be bolted or Abrupt decayed and can happen on turn 4 if you're running some rituals and turn 5 with out.
Could this replace the stupid Kiki combo?

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>>44915547
Build Eldrazi midrange instead.

>>44916821
My favorite thing about this is that there are people in the edh thread insisting that all the spikes are Sheldon buying out cards he doesn't like but isn't allowed to ban

>>44917727
>midrange
Wait until OGW and just go full aggro like the rest of the meta.
>4 mimics
>4 thought knots
>4 reality smashers

>>44915508
what common are you referring to?

>>44916965
nor will temur tempo, temur twin was the weakest of the bunch(maybe better than jeskai if you want to consider it a deck),it will deifnitely be a solid tier 3 deck,but not more

>>44917900
I cannot wait.

>>44917951
I'm hoping that one takes off because all the MD gravehate keeps raping my dredgevines ;_;

>>44917951
Seriously fuck off you tranny attention whore faggot

>>44915244
Don't think it helps too much against the Eldrazi matchup tho.

>>44917977
>Tranny

Top meme.

>>44917727
I'm going to do the exact opposite of whatever you recommend because you're an insufferable tranny faggot so Scapeshift it is.

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I saw a dream that I was playing some kind of Bant Superfriends/Control/Midrange.

I tried to recreate it, but it's all over the place;
>two sets of mana dorks (Noble, Birds)
>25 lands
>durdly early drops (Finks, Wall of Omens)
>narrow UW control package (Cryptic, Path, Verdict, Leak, Spell Snare)
>reach for late game (Eternal Witness, Snapcaster)
>Planeswalkers as finishers
Also there was a Sun Titan in the dream, but that seems rather dubious.

Someone wanna try making something sensible looking along these lines?

wut

>>44917990
It doesn't. It doesn't help against Tron either.
Modern land destructions is useless

>>44917990
How does it not? Blow up their Eye of Ugins and Eldrazi temples.

>>44918020
They'll already have large threats out by then.
Keep in mind that Eldrazi don't have to wait three turns like Tron to start dropping fatties.

>>44917148
Play 24 lands (16swamp4muta4urborg) with 4 Smallpox to avoid mana screw, pack rats to side (blank their creature removal, mutas beat enough) and replace with funeral charms and/or dedicated creature removal, slaughter pact isn't needed with Twin gone.

>>44918002
I legitimately think that Bant with 4 copies of Wargate is the only thing that might stand a chance against the shitstorm to come. Being able to Wargate for 2, grab Pacifism, and put it on a Bogle is a huge deal. Then you've got your Affinity boardwipes in green, Timely Reinforcements for Burn in white, and countermagic for Tron threats.

I have dared to dream, /tg/.

>>44915708
>time walk

It's happening guys.

My econ teacher wants us to write proposal topics and turn it into him. It can be on anything we want as long as it's related to economics.

Guess who's writing an essay on the economics of reprint policy and the buyouts in the modern format?

>>44917148
Oh and don't play Ensnaring Bridge in main either, just gives more targets for artifact hate and only does real work against abzan company, replace with removal or more discard. Only play 2 Thoughtseize to make burn MU winnable.

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We're at the point where people just leave when they see turn 1 Eldrazi lands.

>>44918002
screenshot this for when anon successfully predicts Noble Hierarch bannings when bant takes over 20% 0f the meta

>>44918212
I doubt you know much about economics in the first place and will do a paper on basic arithmetic instead.

>>44918221
>Turn 3 Sower
>Turn 4 Sower

On what planet is this better than Karn and a backup Karn?

>>44917812
Those people are joking anon.

You should learn the difference between amusing fiction and reality before posting again.

>>44916768
NIV MAGUS

>>44918285
The same planet where Karn is 50$ and Sower is 10$ :^)

>>44918221
Because it's a cancerous deck and you're a cancerous tranny

>>44918344
>>44917977
>>44917998

This tranny meme sure is taking off.

>>44918240
>noble hierarch bans
And that's when I sold out of modern to play Legacy

>>44918461
Wizards have already said that one mana dorks are too powerful for standard. A one mana dork with an upside? Holy shit someone ban this broken shit.

>>44917146
But...but... guys..... you wanna hear another DRIVE TA WERK!?

>>44918490
Llanowar elves is too powerful for standard? This seems dubious. Got a source?

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I like this card. It's so neat.

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>>44918557
>Got a source?

>>44918212
post if you can,or give us a resume

>>44918593
Opened a foil one at the prerelase. Depressingly enough also the most expensive card I opened that day despite winning more packs.

>>44918594
That's not a source
He's 2 mana because he has haste and can produce any color you mouth breathing inept retard.

>>44918594
shuddabin cobra

>>44918652
Probably won't be done for a couple months and it probably won't be anything we haven't all complained about before.

mfw gonna analyze the Zendikar fetchland spike after no reprints confirmed and get an academic grade for it

Can Twin just be turned into UR Tempo like when you board out the combo games 2/3 or is the deck dead?

>>44918704
Playtest?

>>44918687
He's 2 mana because Wizards won't print 1 mana dorks anymore. He was given upside lip service because Wizards wanted to pretend like there's a reason this card has an upside.

>>44918676
Sorry to hear that you didn't pull anything else good but that is a nice foil. I myself ordered a foil set of it. The only other card in the set I want is eldrazi displacer for testing in DnT.

>>44918713
I don't have a PC so no cuckatrice and I don't actually own the deck in paper I only own various pieces. I'm thinking of just using the pieces to build RUG Scapeshift because it's still viable and it would be much cheaper.

>>44918687
Any color, for creature spells only.

>>44918704
No because there's no threat of combo which is huge for tempo gain. Twin won most of it's tempo plans because fuckers were scared of doing shit.

>>44918594
Yeah, so all those times wizards printed non one mana dorks totally signaled that one mana dorks would never be in standard again.

>>44918557
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/106100196288/why-are-recent-manadorks-more-than-1-cmc-the-only

>>44918687
>>44918826
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/106100196288/why-are-recent-manadorks-more-than-1-cmc-the-only

Here

How should I update the MB and SB for our new aggro overlords?

I'm thinking might swap the numbers on terminate and abrupt decay with less twin, though if merfolk gets popular its great vs kira.

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>>44918866
Forgot pic.

>>44918866
Every deck was already sideboarding against Affinity and Burn anyway.

>>44918221

>EmaLovely

L O N D O N?

>>44918837
Thanks. That's an actual source

>>44918221
It's a meme deck and it makes me mad. I'd fuckin leave too unless I was playing burn.

>>44918191
>Bant with 4 copies of Wargate
This intrigues me. I've tried to build UWg Bant control before, but it came out clunky compared to Esper or UWR. My friend has been trying to make Bant in any form work in Modern for years. Neither of us have considered Wargate before, but in a post-Twin metagame big splashy sorceries are a lot more viable.

Would you ramp with Birds+Hierarch or Explore+Farseek? Are you going to run the UW midrange Wall of Omens/Kitchen Finks/Resto Angel package, or try and play Supreme Verdict and Cryptic Command? 4 Colonnades as the main win condition? Which planeswalkers would you run?

>>44919070
I'd leave the ramp to Birds and Hierarch purely because they're one drops. The only reason I thought of Wargate was because it's basically a toolbox card that grabs whatever you need. Pacifism for Bogles, Teeg for Tron with Spell Pierce mana for Pyroclasm, Firewalker for Burn, Stony Silence for Affinity, etc.

>>44918874
>>44918866
Jund makes my dick so hard, too bad I'm poor.

I'll just be over here in the corner playing memedrazi

>>44919095
>>44918191
BTL just seems better. The only real upside to Wargate is that you can cast it for four to grab one-drops. Sure it can also search for artifacts and enchantments, but it can't search for sorceries or instants either.

>>44919099
Atleast you can take solace in the fact you beat jund more often than not.

>>44919145
>BTL
I'd forgotten that thing even existed. But I'd still favour Wargate over it. An instant, sorcery, or creature won't save you from the shit that's coming. Any of those card types you might want will be run as a 4 of in your sideboard anyway. I wonder if some compromise between Wargate and Eternal Command could be found.

>>44919099
I love the value BGx packs. Siege Rhino, Goyf, Baloth, Huntmaster, K Command
Such value

Should i sell my scapeshifts (50 each) and buy into infect? Scapeshift seems pretty shit idk why its 50 bucks

>>44918874
Nothing you do is going to stop Karn and Ugin from shoving their oversized wangs down your throat. Your worst matchup just lost its worst matchup. It's like Squirtle was deleted from the original Pokemon games and you were asked which starter was the best.

>>44919212
Its actually really good in the new meta. absolutely stomps tron and if you're a good pilot you can beat aggro more often than not.

>>44919222
Yeah thats why i'm gonna retool to anti aggro with a small hedge vs those, and hope the meta does become linear enough to push tron out.

>>44919294
Pyroclasm will ensure that Tron doesn't get pushed out.

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>>44919222
>Nothing you do is going to stop Karn and Ugin from shoving their oversized wangs down your throat.
I think I have a new fetish

>>44919328
This. I've lost track of how many times I've wiped away aggro beats and hate bears that are touted to hose tron.

Is the processor Eldrazi deck actually a thing? I have a friend claims it's "at least T2".

>>44919222
>Your worst matchup just lost its worst matchup
Wrong.

>>44919374
Tron's worst matchup was Twin. Pyroclasm is useless, and tapping out for a big dumb threat is a great way of eating an end step Exarch.

>>44919394
>Tron's worst matchup was Twin
No.

>>44919374
Also this. Burn still exists. I had solid sideboard tech for twin that has now become a lot less relevant and the options for the burn match are weak and few.

>>44919370
Tier 2 decks are like homemade porn of curvy women. You go into it expecting to see big tiddies, slim waists, and child bearing hips, but you find out that the word "curvy" has been usurped by hambeasts trying to convince both themselves and others that they're somehow attractive.

>>44919370
yes, it's stronger than people imagined. eldrazi temple and eye of ugin + urborg turns into crazy fast mana, oblivion sowers and conduit of ruin come down as early as T3. after OGW drops they'll have T2 4/4 cliques. the heartless summoning version cast a turn 4 ulamog on the SCG stream. it also runs lots of main deck graveyard hate which just shuts down several match ups. turns off delve creatures, bashes snapcaster's kneecaps, gives it a bye vs graveyard decks.

>>44919394
Ad nauseam is also an abysmal matchup for tron. Twin wasn't alone.

>>44919432
Do you think that the Blight Herder and Wasteland Stranglers will be relevant once OGW releases?

>>44919459
the BW version likes strangler, blight herder might become a sideboard card for match ups that need speed bumps

>>44915244
Tron runs 2-3 Crucible of Worlds thou right now.

>>44919413
It was a huge reason for Tron not being the most dominant deck in the format. Tron's overall worst matchup is Living End, though. When MTGGoldfish still had their matchup data on the site, it reported 100% match wins for Living End vs Tron.

>>44919425
this is actually a better analogy than id ever imagine it would be

>>44919394
Who thinks twin and ad nauseum is better VS. GR Tron than Infect, mfw, turn 2 God hand gg ofc, but turn 3 is win for infect, and thats jund wrecked pre-sb

>>44919425
Best....Post....Ever!

>>44919510
Crucible is a waste of time desu. More than half the deck is draw, dig, and tutor.

>>44919573
Given that I've won nearly every infect match and lost every ad nauseam match, I'd say that is correct.

>>44915244
playing living end, I've been re-evaluating my SB and trying to cover all my bases. this is what I have now

>3x Crumble to Dust
for tron and eldrazi
>3x Gnaw to the Bone
tap out T3 and T4 to gain life vs burn, they'll probably be out of gas by T5
>4x Ingot Chewer
affinity
>3x Ricochet Trap
anything with counterspells. used to be tech vs twin as well. stealing a splinter twin and sticking it on my fulminator mage was GOAT
>2x Slaughter Games
catch all vs combo decks. there's at least one guy who used to play ad nauseam locally, if he picks it up again the match up is pretty much unwinnable without slaughter games

I also jam 4x fulminator and 4x beast within so I can play stone rain vs tron. thinking about maybe making room for avalanche riders for some extra "fuck you"

>>44919629
Crucible is the best sb vs: Jund, Junk, Restore Balance, Living Death (Especially), i've played GR Tron for like 2 years, its a great card in some matchups, but yes, a dead card in most.

>>44919663
How's the Eldrazi matchup? They run md relic so it seems kinda tough.

>>44917910
Inquisition of kozilek

>>44916379
Shipped today, i'll post pictures when I receive

>>44919713
it's very tough. I've only played against it once, went 1-2. game 2 he processed a bunch of creatures back into my yard and tried to go wide, without realize the consequence of his actions. G3 I attacked him down to 3 and he top decked his only all is dust, I didn't find another cascade spell and he top decked a relic,was game over from there. I didn't have crumbles in SB at time though. shutting him down as hard as he shuts me down might give me an edge in the match up

>>44919741
Uncommon.

>>44919668
I disagree. I think its mediocre tech for decks you already have strong game aganst.

>>44916810
The reason why they didn't do well wasn't because of twin, it's because there is no support cards for them to begin with. How will they compete with Tron?

>>44919825
Presumably with the same red, white, and green cards available to other decks.

>>44919770
Read my first post again

>>44919851
The red, white, and green cards that beat Tron are Lightning Bolt, Goblin Guide, Boros Charm, Atarka's Command, Monastery Swiftspear, and so on.

>>44919766
Yeah, the deck sucks because it's almost impossible to meaningfully interact with them. The deck has a much lower average cmc than Tron so even land destruction doesn't do much.

>>44919851
The only two blue decks that had not shitty matchups against Tron were Twin and Scapeshift, and the latter only if the pilot wasn't a complete retard. Going slow against Tron is very difficult because they'll just have meaningful early plays you can't come back from.

>>44919798
Their primary strategy yes, but after SB, often, you will need a way to get back ontop, or your game might be too slow.

the obvious answer to all our woes is reprint ruination in modern

>>44920066
>the obvious answer to all our woes is reprint ruination in modern

But then how would I be able to run all of my new Eldrazi™ from the new Battle for Zendikar™ block? :(

>>44918676
>Open a $20 foil
>"Depressingly enough..."
Hey screw you man why are you complaining? That alone puts you above what most others opened

Since Twin is banned and I want to play decks with UR on it, should I brew the jeskai ascendacy combo deck? they are quite cheap atm and got most of the cards.

>>44920129
Same guy here,

I'm asking because I dont want Star of David or Jewish kingdom to spike the core cards.

>>44920129
Naw man. Go Grixis Delver

>>44920153
Cant afford the fucking Jaces and Kolaghan Commands =/

>>44920150
Better buy it out yourself.

>>44920169

> Play le shitty Grixis
> Forgot about the deck using Inquisition of Kozilek, Baby Jaces, Kolaghan Commands.

Star of David plz stop

>>44920150
Hey Card Kingdom is far more fair with their prices. You can still get cards for far cheaper the SCG. Most of the times if a card spikes they don't change the price for a good while.

>>44918212

Im guessing this is Senior High School econ, because if you're at the undergraduate level you honestly don't understand anything you've been taught about market factors.

>>44920199
play storm 2bhfam

>>44920169
Well technically you don't neeeeed the Jace's

>>44918698

You're gonna do an economics paper on panic buying? Enjoy your F.

>>44920153
>tier 3 deck that got even worse with the bannings

>>44920339

What about Jeskai combo? I saw people playing it the last FNM. The guy playing it finished 4th losing to a Grixis Delver.

Why aren't all blue decks running like 4 spreading seas? Card comes down before tron, cycles itself and puts tron off tron for a turn

>People bitching about insider conspiracy to price hikes
>Meanwhile Tendo Ice Bridge and Raging Ravine double in price even though their decks are literally unplayable in the current meta
Yeah, sounds real suspect.

>>44920409

Because it sucks vs anything else.

>>44920409
because it costs 2 mana and most of the time does nothing

>>44920426
Good goi

>>44920426
those are just some clueless idiots who think they can make easy money by predicting the next meta

>>44920432
>>44920431
Sorry. I meant to say in the sideboard. Seems like 4 slots for tron (and potentially eldrazi (but I won't assume until there's testing to show if it is)) is fair

>>44920375

Jeskai combo without treasue cruise is dead anon, DEEEAAAAAD!

Dont waste your money plz

>>44918544
I actually enjoy most of his drive to works when they contain stories about things that are cool. The ones about Odyssey/Onslaught block, the Invitational ones, stuff like that.

>>44917710
Kiki only worked as well as it did because he could create an unlimited amount of chumps to attack with, this combo can only be as effective if you could easily slap trample on him. Maybe a cheap equipment or Archetype of Aggression?

>>44920474
For the same reason why blood moon isn't that great, they can still hardcast their wurmcoils and karns while you are wasting your turns instead of applying pressure.

The best hate is sowing salt(or the new version) since it not only prevents tron forever but also sets them back a land.

>>44920431
It's great against eldrazi, blanks inkmoth, and helps slow down scapeshift.

>>44918874
You need more early interaction, cut the 2 Huntmasters for a Tasigur and the 7th discard spell. Play Duress and Kitchen Finks in your sideboard instead of FTK and Golgari Charm.

>>44920534
Fair enough. Seems kinda silly that the only usable hate for lands is in one colour but hey, that's wizards

>>44920545
Ghost quarter is colorless though.

Ally token generation in modern.
What are the best options to keep the triggers coming and pressure on the board?

>>44920588
Not a huge fan, wastes one of my turns land drops, and turns 1-3 I want to do big stuff, and then still gives them a land. I feel like in that case spreading seas would cycle, not set me back in tempo and they have the same slow down for mana

>>44920626
By playing a better deck?

>>44920541
Thanks for the ideas, might test some of those. I'm not a fan of tasigur, I have been thinking of running a finks main. Some MB lifegain can be really nice in quite alot of matchups. Thats party why I like the huntmasters, but they are getting to feel a little too slow right now.

Many people are mentioning kalitas right now, and I think i'll test a one of as well.

The charms have actually done wonders for me, but I have been thinking of dropping them, they are probably the weakest part of the board.

>>44920650
But I want to play allies.
I'm not asking if it's the best. I know it isn't.

>>44920630
Well, spreading seas is less versatile, but still great. If I'm playing something blue, I consider both, but ghost quarter goes in everything.

kiki deceiver combo into a zada+expedite
God its like you ur players just expect to win against tron before tron beats you

>>44920681
Allies wasn't a thing when it was in standard with the good allies man. I understand tribal decks but there's my better tribal decks, or token decks

>>44920692
Fair enough, thanks for the feedback. Working on esper so I want to have a lot of Land hate. Tron is the strongest slow deck so it's my biggest problem

>>44915508
Where did you order the chinamen cards from?

>>44920722
You simply cannot beat Tron. You wait until turn 10 to start your big plays. Tron waits until turn 3.

>>44920664
The good thing about Golgari charm is that it's nuts against infect and has play against bogles but your infect match up is already pretty good. Huntmaster absolutely is insanely slow and idk if Obstinate Baloth is any better.

>>44920708
I'm not asking about other token or tribal decks though. I don't doubt other tribal decks are better, but they aren't what I want to build.
They've gotten just enough support with bfz and ogw to be fun to play. I'm not saying they're going to win any tournaments, but let me give it a shot.

How good is the living end deck?

>>44920878
Really good considering 2 biggest memes run relic as a 4 of

>>44920788
Is it fun to go 0-4 on a Friday?

>>44920779
The baloth is mainly there for the mirror honestly and just an extra card for burn as well.

>>44920722
You beat tron with maindeck commandeer

>>44920909
Considering my fnm scene isn't running any tier1 decks, I doubt I'd go 0-4. I've gone 2-1 with a clowny platinum angel/Soul Conduit deck.

But, allies are a fun tribe, and they're what I want to play. If I lose, I lose. I would rather lose with a deck I find fun to play.

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Calling it now.

>Banned Twin to reprint Counterspell in SOI.

I really, really hate tron.

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What would stop Pox from breaking Tron? A turn 2 smallpox would kill tron lands. I remember seeing a modern variant that utilized Red for Crack the Earth as another "Pox." And because smallpox doesn't hit enchantments, just the hand, creatures, and land, you could use Phyrexian arena instead of Bob to make sure you stayed ahead on the resource war.

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>>44921098

>>44921021
I wish

>>44921021
>At mythic rare

>>44921118
If I would splash red in pox I'd just go Mardu. Lingering souls is a good discard for pox, you can run lots of fetches and that one land that search for a plains when destroyed. You can run boom//bust in conjunction. White also gives you access to stony silence and other hate enchantments which don't die to pox

Been testing a glittering wish version of ad nauseam. Seems extremely powerful as it effectively gives you 8 copies of ad nauseam with bring to light as well as access to lotus blooms, alternate win cons, and ways to remove hate cards. The only downside being you are less likely to combo off at instant speed, but this isn't a huge problem now that twin is gone.

>>44921098
Everyone who's not a mouthbreathing retard hates Tron.

>>44921118
DEATH CLOUD
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C
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The best new UR deck is clearly this:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/22-12-15-trash-for-treasure/#

Is Jeskai Ascendancy the dankest meme deck currently?

>>44921021
Would that even change much? I don't think the lack of good counters is why control is dead in modern.

>>44921302
I've tried many decks in modern and have played it since it's inception and, honestly, playing against pod was hard (but not miserable), playing against jund in the BBE dethrone shaman fiasco was fun (played affinity during such a time) and even twin's evolution proved to just be a skilltesting matchups

But fucking tron.

There is nothing fun about that deck. There's so little skill in the matchup if they natural tron turn 3. It's boring and feels unfair for a deck.

If wizards used a deck being unfun (eggs) it using resources in a way that is hard to combat (bloom titan) and suppresses the metagame (twin) then they should have banned tron.

>>44921298
???
Spoils already does this
is 1 mana
can grab anything
nor reliant on gemstone or artifact mana

BTL is shit

>>44921118
Crack the Earth could work in a RW deck with 4 Flagstones of Trokair and 4 Ichor Wellspring.

Also Boom/Bust with Darksteel Citadels.

>>44921325

hey, this looks pretty cute

>>44921386
Boom//bust works with fetches

* * * ATTENTION * * *
* * * NOTICE * * * * * *

Just because Twin is banned, it doesn't mean that your meme deck is now good


* * * END NOTICE * * *

>>44921389
Thanks. Building it in paper actually right now

>>44921400
Yup, but I can try now because its not just a worse twin anymore :)

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>>44921302
That's hurtful anon.

>>44921400
But it's better :^)

>>44921307
is a bad card.

>>44921427
I went to school with Ali! Awesome dude; glad he's back into Magic.

>>44921427
Ali Aintrazi is a fucking faggot too, don't delude yourself

>>44921427
Isn't that the game where he declared Tron online when it wasn't?

>>44921207
>mythic doesn't mean good, it means complicated.

>>44921502
Eheheh it totally is. If that brony wasn't such a fuck up, he could have won.

>vape snag on coil
>btfo by nature's claim

>>44921549
Well what exactly CAN you do in that situation? You have an answer, but he has an answer for your answer. There's literally nothing you can do in that situation; the situation is solved. This is my biggest personal problem with the Modern format; it's just too damn shallow. There were no choices the players could've made in those games to change the outcome barring mulligans, but without knowing your opponent's hand you just don't know.

>>44921207
it wouldn't even matter, previous prints of counterspell would be legal to use so there wouldn't be a huge supply problem

>>44921537
>implying the stack isn't too complex for the average standard player

>>44921415

Looks pretty good for me. Once griselbrand reanimator is banned(cause it will), this deck could replace it.

>>44921118
4x Boom/Bust
4x Young Pyromancer
4x Crack the Earth
3x Simian Spirit Guide
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Serum Visions
3x Hatching Plans
4x Death's Shadow
3x Perilous Research
4x Bitterblossom
4x Inquisition / Spell Pierce

Have fun. Hope there's no burn in your meta.

>>44921725
I like it

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>>44918002
I remember seeing this screenshot of a Bant Company brew some threads ago. It contained Voices, the new UW bounce guy, some Flickrwisps and look actual fun to pilot.

Anyone happened to save that screenshot?

>>44921392
Nice, didn't notice that interaction!

>>44921758
Isnt the spell countered since the target is no longer legal?

>>44921800
So long as there's one legal target, it's OK.

You weren't targeting your opponent's fetchland too, were you anon?

>>44921800
i think as long as 1 target still remains its ok

>>44921725
Wait. Forgot 4x Bolt.
-2 Death's Shadow. -1 Perilous Research. -1 sumthin dunno wut.

How long does it take for buyout stuff to go back down? I just want my ravagers, opals, glimmervoids, and inkmoths.

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boom // bust buyout? lol

>>44921814
Lol why would i do that? My opponent could fetch in response

>>44921878
Holy shit 9$? Disgusting

>>44921895
dont think goldfish has updated for today, $9 is median on tcgplayer and many listings are $10-$15

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>>44921878
lol

>>44921725
Oh. Also you can cut the black entirely and add 2 snapcaster (mostly to flashback probe / crack / pierce) Might be better that way actually. You'll need wincons to replace BB, preferably something with multiple bodies. There's a goblin dude for 2 with echo(?) that drops 2 1/1s or you can play jeskai sage. Delver sorta works.

Sideboard heavily for affinity (crack the earth & boom are both ass here) 2x forked bolt 2 terminate and 2 shattering spree is what i do.

>>44921593
To be fair this is the case in any rock-paper-scissors resource management game where the scales have tipped enough, be it Starcraft, Counter-Strike (being pinned down by AWP with only a pistol with time running out and smoke on the ground etc) or even fucking Chess (there are some positions you can't outplay ever, especially if playing black).

So you guys do realize that for all these weird cards, the dealers keep low supply, so when a few morons buy cards off of troll recommendations in this thread, it creates the illusion of a buyout

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>>44917148
Two Slaughter pacts are you fucking mad? This is the stock list. I found this is the best one desu.

>>44921878

Why does everyone think that every time demand for a card surges it's a "buyout." Nobody "bought out" the card. Demand is increasing for it to tech Tron.

>>44921955
I don't understand what I'm looking at here

>>44921380
Spoils can't reliable grab sideboard hate and is effectively dead if you already have ad nauseam in hand. Its only other use is as an emergency button, which while useful in a twin heavy meta, is much less useful now. Being able to grab most of your sideboard hate, alt wincons, and lotus bloom as well as ad nauseam makes wish much more useful now that instant speed isn't as important, as it is almost never a dead card.

>>44922198
at one card for 50 cent, one for 1€, and all the others for 5€

Can anyone explain to me why sedge sliver is so expensive?

I don't play Slivers, but it's confusing how that card is so expensive. I've only encountered a Modern sliver deck once in my whole time playing the format and it was terrible.

I seriously don't understand the secondary market at times.

>>44922190
you are a horrible person

>>44922213
Casuals. Look at ball lightning. Not even fringe played anywhere, reprinted multiple times and still on $2.5

>>44922213
Slivers are a casual favorite. Just go look at the price of the sliver legends, EDH has made them INSANELY expensive.

REPRINT SINKHOLE
TRON WAR NOW

>>44922274
Modern really needs Wasteland, Stifle, and Force of Will.

>>44922224
The only thing that is devilish is the surgical main board.

>>44922197
increased demand is a gradual increase over time

sharply jumpng several dollars literally overnight indicates a large rapid consumption of the available supply.

>>44922333
Almost. It means an increase that is large relative to the available supply. Small supply, large increase.

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>>44922274
My binder is ready.

>>44922404
>BB

>>44922422
And? I play Jund, not a problem for me

>>44920752
Alieexpress. Vendor is called black lotus. First time ordering so don't know about the quality. He send me pictures before, they look good on photos.

>>44922422
Disgusting multicolored plebs
MONO BLACK WILL COME BACK
EXPECT US

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I haven't played Modern in like two years, is this deck/sideboard still functional? For what it's worth, it used to frequently go 3-1 or better in dailies.

I don't really have much of a collection (or tickets, for that matter) on MTGO, so I can't really afford shit like Spellskites or anything. Thanks for the input.

>>44918221
what program lets you do this?

So....is Zoo still viable as a deck?

>>44922782

Do what?

>>44922771
That should be alright. You might want to make some minor adjustments though, like replacing blue with green and picking up a set of Karn. Maybe splash red for pyroclasm. Nothing big.

>>44922829
play magic on the computer? Is it free?

>>44922818
One-drop zoo seems fine, if you can kill tron before they drop Ugin.

>>44922848
HAHAHAHAHA

>>44922848
Magic Online is not free. The program itself costs $10 and then all of the cards you purchase from vendors for "tickets" which are $1 each. The prices on Magic Online a re usually cheaper than in real life though so it's only hundreds of dollars for a modern deck instead of thousands.

>>44922771

Mono U Tron is easily the most autistic deck in the Modern format. Even Lantern Control and Eggs pilots bow down to your advanced Asperger's.

Well memed, my friend. *tips fedora*

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>>44922906

Shadows over innistrad will bring a greater evil than the eldrazi.
When Emrakul is about to destroy innistrad an army of zombies will rise and beat him up, then go and beat up ob nixilis and the gatewatch.

Leading them will be the one and only risen by arabian evil magtics and time-energies, infused by the cabals of innistrad, bearing the mark of ravnika and the rotting stench of hatred and summoned from the deeps of the blind eternities. Dredge.

Dredge will rise again

>>44922838
>>44922906

Thanks for the valued input, fellas. :^^^)

In an attempt to "get back to my roots" I'd like to build a deck that does three things: counters shit, clears the board, and attacks with a big angel.

Possible in Modern? I'm not expecting even Tier 2 quality, but using a Tier deck shell might be a plus.

Is GB Elves viable, or should I just stick with the safe and tested GW elves?

>>44923173

UWR Control kills and counters shit relentlessly until it can attack with a 4/4 Flying and Vigilance creature.

Only problem is that the 4/4 Flying/Vigilance creature is a building and not an Angel.

>>44923173
how big of an angel?

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post decks

>>44923173
UWR control with Kikki/Resto Angel Combo. Swing with a horde of Angels.

>>44923173
gifts is a deck. win con is gifts ungiven for unburial rites and iona. problem is the deck aint got shit on tron. gifts is a late game deck and tron doesn't give a fuck about iona or elesh norn or gravy train or whatever else they choose to reanimate.

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=11328&d=264319&f=MO

>>44923173
You can play red/green.
Play tron land to get quickly a lot of mana
splash some karn/wurmcoils and ugin to wipe board and attack big.
That'll be a good start imo tbqh familia desu senpai

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>>44923230

>>44923302
noice

>>44923230
is lingering souls junk or tokens?

>>44923330
bw tokens

I`m returning to the game and I always loved to play white weenie in each standard, is a modern weenie possible?

>>44923173
>>44923173
You could try UW Control with a Baneslayer but it's ehh in most metas and it's even worse now that BGx lost one of its best matchups. My friend plays the deck and he's pissed because Eldrazi, Tron, and Affinity are really bad matchups.

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Yay new cards came in. Hopefully they all get here before Saturday

>>44923362
imo 2 decks most similar to white weenie right now are BW tokens and death & taxes

>>44923230
>had two decks
>decided to stop playing linear decks because they're really boring
>scrapped them

now i have no decks pls help

>>44923450
come over and play anon :^)

>>44923342
Interested in the deck. Been wondering on the current configuration and matchups.
Especially on which planeswalkers to play these days.

>>44923362
Soul Sisters or DnT are the only "real" decks. Tokens too I guess.

>>44923473
do you have scapeshift cuz that's what i'm building rn

>>44923504
then soul sisters it is, what could be my most problematic matchup?

>>44923549
Tron.

>>44923549

anything that doesn't give a shit about you gaining life and swinging with mid-sized dudes will be hard

so, tron (any version), eldrazi, UWR

>>44923489
it has play matchups against almost every deck, but it is not exceptional at beating anything specific. you get access to white sideboard cards so that means rip and stony silence.

2-3 sorin solemn is what I would reccommend

>>44923509
sorry bud even i'm not memey enough to play scapeshit

>>44923648
play=decent what the fuck was that autocorrect

>>44923648
>sorry bud even i'm not memey enough to play scapeshit
Beats the fuck outta tron tho. I like that. Fuck tron.

>>44923565
>>44923605
Ugh, I think my meta is plagued with tron at least 50% of it, any suggestions in a counter tron deck? Money isn`t a problem I have enough jaces, sfm and fetches to build any deck

You people need stoneman.

topjasonchen on skype.

>>44923732
Burn, Affinity or Infect are your only options. If you're going to adapt Affinity, consider using less Etched Champions and more Ravagers as the protection effect is less relevant

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>>44923732
>any suggestions in a counter tron deck?
Scapeshift. Remember to cryptic bounce draw their lands!
>sfm
kek

>>44923769
THANK YOU BASED CHINAMEN

>>44923776
>What is 4 of Slaughter Games post-side
>What is Ulamog cast trigger

>>44919425
It's fucking annoying trying to look up curvy porn now I gotta use words like voluptuous to get what I want.

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>>44923769
If I wanted badly cut and mismatching proxies, I would've printed them myself.

>>44923924
K? There was about 10 main problems with his initial round(Limited to about 10 cards incidentally), what he's selling now is basically flawless.

You don't have to take my word for it. Search the archives heading back to around the middle of 2015, you'll see plenty of examples.

>>44920895
So is it atleast a T2 deck then? and can I when even if my graveyard gets fucked?

>>44923924
Star of David Games shill

What are all the T1 decks right now in modern and what do they do/ how fun are they? I want to get back into modern,

>>44924131
Tron
Affinity
Burn
Infect
Merfolk

>>44924131
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/tier-1-modern
Tron is fun if you like doing unfair things and having best late game. Jund dumps their hand and then plays their cards as they draw them, Affinity dumps their hand and prays they get to count to 20 with it over the course of 3-4 turns, Twin is banned, Burn plays 6-7 spells that have a number between 2 and 4 in them. Other viable decks include Infect, plays a dude and plays pump spells to hit for 10 poison asap and Ad Nauseam, a combo that plays a combination of Ad Nauseam + Angel's Grace or Phyrexian Unlife, draws their whole deck and then kills with a condition of their choice, most commonly Lightning Storm with enough lands for lethal or Laboratory Maniac post-side.

>>44924131

We have no idea because the best two decks got banned literally less than a week ago.

That being said, chances are the tier 1 will look like this:

Affinity - linear aggressive deck based on artifact synergies
Tron - linear ramp deck based on Urza lands and expensive planeswalkers/creatures
Infect - linear aggressive deck based on the infect mechanic and pump spells
Burn - linear aggressive deck based on cheap haste creatures and direct damage spells
Eldrazi - a new meme midrange deck based on the synergy of Eye of Ugin, Urborg, and Eldrazi Temple to cheat out Oblivion Sowers and Blight Herders way ahead of curve :^)

Noticing a trend here? Jund/Junk + Twin were the last interactive decks in Tier 1; the former is unplayable trash now, and the latter was b& 4 lyf. Modern is now SOLITAIRE: THE FORMAT

>>44924255
>Ad Nauseam
>tier 1
Not even close. 2.5, maybe 2 against a field of slower decks with little disruption. It's just not consistent enough to get that sweet spot turn 4 win, and it has no win conditions outside the combo so it's very predictable.
Source: I have played the deck for two years.

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>>44924255
>>44924218


>Ad Nauseam
>Merfolk

You guys are hilarious.

>>44924330
I never said it nor Infect were tier 1.
>other viable decks
>other viable
>other

>>44924330
Might be tier solid tier 2 in this meta. Jund is gone, meaning the only bad matchup is infect. Some people are experimenting with glittering wish now that twin is banned and the card pretty much removes the biggest weakness the deck had before. Gives you 8 copies of ad nauseam, 8 copies of lotus bloom (can be played without suspend), protection from hate cards and alternate win cons.

>>44924378
Yeah I'm actually really well positioned now that I only have one real horrible matchup. Well, that plus there's a guy at my shop who plays suicide zoo and I've always had trouble there, but still.
What are you talking about with glittering wish? Bring to light? I'm still in Esper, don't have the funds to branch out into any more colors, but even if I did I don't really see how that improves the deck or how it was bad with Twin around.

>>44924378
Glittering Wish hits neither Ad Nauseam (monocolor) nor Lotus Bloom (colorless).
>can be played without suspend
The wish card goes into your hand and Bloom can only be suspended or cheated out.

>>44924378
Jund/Junk will always be around, what are you talking about with any of you just said. NOne of it makes sense

>>44923895
Thats where ive been going wrong!

>>44924434
Glitter wish was bad with twin due to the fact that you needed the instant speed combo to deal with it and other blue decks and wishes reduces the likelihood that you can use the instant speed combo. With twin gone, blue is effectively dead in the meta, meaning you can afford to have a sorcery speed combo if you use wishes to get bright to light.

It improves the deck because now you have a way to put 8 copies of ad nauseam in the deck without those copies being dead in other situations or when you already have ad nauseam in hand (spoils). It also protects you from hate game 1 and gives you a much more consistent way to get sideboard tech than just top decking it. It also gives you alternate win cons if for some reason you can't use ad nauseam.

>>44924453
Thats why you play a single copy of bring to light and wargate in the sideboard.

>>44924520
Jund and junk will be much rarer with tron and eldrazi being so rampant.

>>44924585
If you need to wish for a BTL you're not netting mana with Lotus Bloom and better off playing more cantrips, Spoils of the Vault (after Angel's Grace of course, the odds of milling both your wincons if you play 2 before hitting AN are close to zero) and/or answers to fast aggro (darkness etc).

>>44924520
It's just a straight downgrade from Tron now that Twin is kill.

>>44924656
>>44924618
Maybe rarer but the deck will never go away. Also Tron's gunna get banned in a few months anyway so it doesn't matter B)

>>44924646
You probably wouldn't keep a hand without mana ramp AND combo pieces. The point of wish is that you get to choose which of those pieces you need based on your hand and the board. If you have ad nauseam and grace but need ramp, you get wargate for a lotus bloom. If you have ramp but lack ad nauseam, you get bring to light.

>>44924520
Why the fuck would anyone play jund in a meta game dominated by tron?

>>44924700
Nothing would make me happier than Tron being banned. It is such a cancer.

>>44924700
>Wizards wants players to tap their lands and play big dumb idiots
>Banning the deck that plays the biggest, dumbest idiots
Yeah, right

>>44924722
Because there is one (1) tron deck in my meta and the pilot is trash.

>>44924732
Same desu, it was cute at first but now its degenerate. Like a mini Cloudpost

>>44924767
Congratulations on having a shit meta, your experience is not representative of modern as a whole. Jund has been unplayable in my meta for months now because everyone played bloom and now they're all switching to tron

>>44924815
>shit meta
>"my meta has bloom and tron"
Oh buddy we have different definitions of shit metas

>>44924815
Lol, sounds like you're the one with the shit meta

>>44924767

>Not playing for an open metagame

Fuck your FNM. Go play in real tournaments, scrub.

>>44924863
*you're
And I do, not very often because I dislike travelling.

Also threads about to die

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>tfw you fear that Tron won't be banned because Wizards is pushing BFZ/Oath and Tron can cast those expensive eldrazi better than anyone

>>44924923
The memerange Eldrazi would do nothing in Tron, though. Only card even somewhat worth considering is Thought Nazi against combo or such. Karn/Ugin/Wurmcoil > 4/4 beater any day of the week.

>>44924005
stoneman shil

>>44924962
Tron plays Newlamog, which is enough

>>44924923
If thats the case WOTC will just wait to ban it right after BFZ/OGW stops being printed. Which admittedly would be pretty funny, however I assume they're just relying on standard to push their new stuff like usual.

>>44924890
>*you're
Yea that's wrong.he was right

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>>44924890

>Fuck you are* FNM

Good talk, senpai.

If you resign yourself to playing nothing but local events, that's fine, but don't sit there and tell people that Jund/Junk aren't going to get pushed out of open metagames by Tron and Eldrazi.

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At first I was excited tron was getting so much attention. Hooray, people are paying attention to a deck I play! But now I'm tired of hearing about it. I'm tired of hearing about how cancerous it is. I was saddened by the loss of twin and now my sadness has turned to horror. My deck is next.

>>44925049
put on a trip so i can filter you you redditor fuck

>>44925049
I'm not sure it will. It might be a cycle of Tron eating Rock which eats Infect which eats Tron. Even with its god awful matchup against Tron it still stands at least 50/50 with the rest of the board.
I'm just gunna start sideboarding heavily for it anyways, probably mainboard fulminators again

>>44925063
Your deck deserves it. Tron kills interactive decks and punishes people for being creative because no creativity can compete with 7 mana on turn 3.

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>2017
>tron is banned
>the meta is entirely rock v jund
>inquisition is a 100$ uncommon

>>44925063

Good. Your deck homogenizes the format way more than Twin or Bloom ever did.

>>44925071

Blow me, kid :^)

>>44925155
Whatever you say man.

>>44925271
how is middle school treating you

>>44917727
post new pics of yourself.

>>44925063
Fuck off. There's a special place in hell reserved for tron players.

>>44925548
Rude.

>>44925163
>implying they won't also ban inquisition because fuck you

"Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings."
—Ratadrabik of Urborg

Would this be an accurate summary of the current state of Modern?

>>44926068
No. Just this thread.