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Hardcounters to Tron Edition

If you've been dead for the past few days, Splinter Twin and Summer Bloom have been banned. The police have left the city; we're Chicago now.

Is it basically required to have 4 Ghost Quarter in the side now? What decks are sleeping giants that are bound to make waves? Is Ad Nauseam still a meme?
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>>44875051
Blue Moon.
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I don't know what the answer is but I know the market thinks its Fulminator Mage
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I want to play a deck in Jeskai colors.
Is UWr control legit for FNM level of play?
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accidentally posted this in the last one but what would be the cost of building merfolk if i already have Aether viles? I am currently stuck between Merfolk or Instant Reanimator for what deck to play next.
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>>44875065

Your daily reminder that Tron is essentially a colorless deck, and that control decks can't close against it even if you shut off the ramp.

The Wurmcoils crawling up your ass don't care how many lands were tapped to play them, or what colour they were.

Tron is immune to discard and holds the best inevitability in the format. Spell Piercing a Karn or Ugin was only cheeky when you could punish them for tapping out with Twin the next couple turns. You're going to run out of countermagic long before he runs out of threats, and even if you don't you still have to win the game.
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>>44875051
stax/mud when?
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>>44875132
Soooooo what you're saying is I shouldn't bring Grixis control to a local tournament this Saturday. I should bring burn.
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>>44875132
Moving karn from turn 3 to turn 10 is a pretty decent thing to do. Pushing back wurm by almost that much is the same too. Also by the time engine comes down you'll practically be able to steal it with shackles.
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>>44875189

This is assuming you don't just flat out lose to a resolved Karn on T3, or he practically wins by popping a rock/floating mana and wiping it out with one of the half dozen options for artifact/enchantment removal Tron now has free.
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>>44875186
As someone that plays all flavours of grixis, definately take burn
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>>44875186
I am already dismantling my grixis and shifting to Jeskai Aggro. Take the burn List.
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Tfw loam pox is good in the meta. Tfw 8rack is also very well positioned.
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>>44875051
Ghost Quarter -> Surgical Extraction on one of the lands is the best I can do in Esper Control. That slows him down a lot and stops Emrakul from hitting the field. I can deal with Wurmcoil/Karn/Ugin/Newlamog if I have time to sculpt a hand and make land drops.

>>44875065
Blue Moon is a bad deck because aside from bouncing something with cryptic and then countering it again (probably with another cryptic because by the time you have the mana to do this Mana Leak will be dead) you can't deal with resolved threats that don't die to bolt. Grixis/UWR/Esper all have hard removal in the main and better sideboard options for noncreature permanents.
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Should I be picking up goblin gudes now? Been thinking about building burn lately.
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The the meta is aggro. Whatever you are doing make sure you can apply pressure and a clock. I forsee all decks changing this way.
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>>44875484
Should have picked them up during the hype after the MM2 announcement like I did. $55 for a playset, best decision I ever made.
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>>44875112
>Take cost of Merfolk.dec
>Subtract cost of vials
>Was that so hard?
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>>44875647
Yeah I'm kicking myself over that. I already have one, only need three more. I'm just afraid they're gonna rise higher given the apparant focus on aggro post ban
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>>44875704
Buy them now, they have nowhere to go but up
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lmao
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>>44875112
I finished mine for about three hundred dollars, I had my vials and a cavern from legacy DnT already.
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>>44875788
based
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>>44875788
The same is true for all great decks.
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>>44875788
>Bandage of honor
But of course!
In red, black and white on my arm :v)
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>when people forget Reality Smasher has trample
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I haven't played for like 3 years. I'm bringing my old monoblue faeries deck to a local tournament this weekend. Aside from the usual problem that aggro poses, anything I should particularly beware or otherwise plan on having adjust my sideboard to combat?
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>>44875051
Would reprinting invigorate make infect viable?

Would Counter spell be too OP?

Would Price of Progress be too OP?
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>>44875051
The metagame without twin is going to be gross

>but my tier 6 brew might be top tier now with twin gone!!!!

lmao
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>>44876368
Infect is T1 now because it destroys Tron, what are you on about? Invigorate would make it the best deck in the format by far, you'd win T2 like 50% of games.
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>>44876395
Then why isn't it viable in legacy.
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>>44876368
>invigorate make infect viable

Infect was already viable. Invigorate would make it broken.

>counterspell

Probably wouldn't change much. Control would still suck dick in modern until we get something like stoneforge or mind sculptor
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>>44876390
Everytime I see this pic I forget it's a jumpscare.
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>>44876390
JUST VISITING THIS THREAD TO SAY YOU'RE A MOTHERFUCKER, HAVE A NICE DAY.
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>>44876395
Not him, and I'm not saying Invigorate should be reprinted, but I really don't think the metagame is as simple as you think it is.

Spellskite is still a thing that gives Infect headaches, for example. Moreover, aggressive strategies was always Tron's worst ones. Twin on the other hand was pretty easy for Tron to deal with, especially near the end, and Twin did a lot to hose many aggressive strategies.
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>>44875704
wow you were in the same position i was two days ago. Buy them now t.b.h fa.m
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>>44876414
force, daze, misdirect, making your creature a simple farmer, etc.
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>>44876368
I want Price of Progress in Eternal Masters.
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>>44876643

Could you imagine if instead of unbanning Twin, they just declared Modern a T3 format, unbanned blue's toys, and reprinted Counterspell and Price?

Legacy Burn is already just Modern Burn + Price and duals, so it really wouldn't take much to get the aggro decks on a T3 clock.
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>>44876727
Doesn't legacy have chain lightning too?
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Did you jew well, /tg/? (8.99 each)
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>>44877060
why do you need so many if you can only have 1 in play?
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>>44877096
hes a jew
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>>44875076
Yes but i think the key is going moar aggressive
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>>44876907
and flame rift and fireblast.
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So how do you guys feel about the new Tier 1 illusion deck?
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>>44877157
I feel you're a fucking tranny that won't ever win a tourney.
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>>44877261
That's cute but I've already won quite a few MTGO events. Sure, nothing super major but still. More than you. NICE PROJECTION
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>>44876390
Fuck you.
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>>44877274
>MTGO events
>"Tourney"
Hahaha.
Dumb tranny scum. Where is proof?
Nowhere!
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>>44877096

He's part of the cancer that's ruining magic.
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>>44877274
I like your Leyline of Sanctitty and Jace's Phantasm combo there
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>>44876447
>Twin on the other hand was pretty easy for Tron to deal with, especially near the end, and Twin did a lot to hose many aggressive strategies.
This. I'd rather play a thousand Twin g2/3s than a single match vs burn or infect that rips the god draw.
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>>44877157
Why the two Unsummons? I get that you don't lose the life if you want to save one of your lords, but that seems very negligible while the extra damage a Snag gets in does not in an aggressive deck.
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>>44877281
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ohhh my gooooodddddd every autist on mtgo right now is playing Affinity.
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>>44877358
how expensive is it to get into MTGO if you're a poorfag looking to play pauper modern?
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>>44877371
Not very, most decks are half their paper prices more or less but there are quite a few instances where certain cards are more expensive online than they are offline.
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>>44877371
I automatically assumed that spoiler was modern, let me re-word and say that Pauper is virtually free if you're not playing T1.
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>>44877371
Something related to normal modern*

I'm bad at wording today. Leave me alone.
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>>44876414
Infect is tier 2 in Legacy, senpai.
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>>44877157
>no cavern of souls
Dude...
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Modern General protips:

filter the tranny
filter "EDH" and "Standard"

nettle sentinel is an owl perched on a branch
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>>44877371
>Pauper memedern
Just play NORMAL pauper. It's better than memedern
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>>44876334
That card is fucking bullshit. Eldrazi ate ruining modern now even more than they did the first time
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>>44876334
>tfw pull 2 in midnight prerelease out of my 4 ogw packs along with a thought-knot seer
>tfw opponent had to burn 4 cards to get rid of it
>mfw top deck my second one the turn after
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>>44875051
>Is Ad Nauseam still a meme?
It hasn't been since they started using spoils of the vault over peer through depths. Only gets stronger with the banning because jund and junk will vanish.
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>>44875073
>37 dollars
God it's back to its old price
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5-0 in league with mardu midrange lel
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>>44878222
List?
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>>44877942
>spoils over peer
Is it worth it? I mean this seriously. Don't you have to burn an Angel's Grace to be safe? What happens if you hit Lightning Storm?
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>>44877519
It's a pretty solid tier2 deck. Great matchups against combo, alright against shardless. It's about 50/50 against Grub Delver.
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>>44878540
Spoils is always worth it. You just run two lightning storms and you're fine. If you end up having a really shitty spoils and exile like half of your deck and hit too many lands/spirit guides then you weren't going to win anyway.

Memedrazi seems like a horrible matchup for Ad Nauseam though. They run discard and can process our lotus blooms.
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>>44878612
I run 1 Conjurer's Bauble in the main; it's been clutch many times when I draw Storm and they Thoughtseize it. If I dump the Peer (I can't remember how many I run) should I add 1 Storm and 2-3 Spoils?
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>>44878246
deck tk/7TYL2Hxi
If I recall this is what the list is

Played against infect, Bogles, burnx2 and bw eldrazi
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>>44877157
Don't you have some rallies to attend woo?
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Is Twin viable with Kiki Jiki? What changes to the deck have to be made in addition?
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>>44878911
No, it's way too vulnerable to removal. Even the grixis goryo Kiki deck is just straight trash
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>>44878835
Might wanna post a link that works.
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>>44878701
You should run the spoils version, or at least try it. It is so much better and more consistent.
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>>44878989
>being this incompetent
you replace the space with a dot anon.
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Will Hatebears become tier 2 now?
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>>44879065
>not adding the link as is thinking he'll get banned
Your responsibility, anon. Also, that's just current jund with G and W switched. Not very original and goyf just seems like a better option.
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>>44878911
American Gifts may be a fun alternative. If an opponent taps out you Gifts EoT and reanimate Kiki-Jiki on Turn 5.

Really it just means your surprise win is slower and isn't as compact. Viable at T2, but no longer T1
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>>44877942
What about Plunge into Darkness? Seems a bit safer, although it's more expensive.
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>>44878959
>>44879212
Damn. The funny thing is I don't even own the deck I just really was intent on building it because I love the Izzet from Ravnica and the deck fit that perfectly. I have a lot of pieces but thankfully the pieces I have bought slot into scapeshift more then Twin (I have a set of Mistys but no Tarns). I guess it's time to let Twin rest or maybe see how the diehard Twin players have altered it for the Pro Tour and at my LGS. I'll talk to the numerous Twin players this Friday and see what changes they've made.
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Hi anons
I wanna enter into modern, but I only have around 180$ to build something. Is there aanything semi-competitive i can build with that budget?
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>>44879515
Keep saving and buy into burn. Imo senpai
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It filters as spam

Also lel >original

We're not trying to be special snowflake but just do variants in working strats

Also this deck handles burn better, while also destroying Jund. Also probably has a better affinity matchup than Abzan due to kolaghans command. Likely does better than Jund versus infect as well due to lingering souls

The topdeck game is strong with abbot
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>>44879235
Bad in ad nauseam because you have to pay life as opposed to losing it. Plus there is the risk of over or under drawing with that card and it costs more.
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>>44879578
For >>44879182
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Legion loyalist in dredgevine: yea or nay?
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>>44879546
How uch do I need for burn?
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Whats the best list right now for the memedrazi deck? and is there a primer?
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>>44879888
Nobody knows what the good deck list is desu
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>>44879888
Give it a few more months. Still in development phase

>>44879794
About 500 if you don't buy Tarns (don't buy tarns)
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-naya-burn-21367#paper
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>>44879724
not sure if worth senpai, you might end up milling it
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>>44879953
>>44880111

I mean whats the current go to
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>>44879888
wait the till pro tour, but buy your eyes,urborgs,and ulamangs already.
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>>44880148
Look on mtgtop8 or mtgdecks. Everything is a variant
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What do you guys think?
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>>44880192
Maybe run a one of Mystic Gate so you can cast your double U or W spells easier.
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>>44880192
Change brimaz for more vendillion imo.
And i would put at least 3 cryptic.
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>>44880192
How does this deck beat burn, zoo, infect or affinity without sphinx's rev?
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>>44875484
You better not burn your money on those right now, Anon.

>burn
>getit?
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>scalding tarns arrive
>twin is dead
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>>44880283
Not that guy, but more V-Clique leads to even worse blowouts from Pyroclasm, and Cryptic can be kind of harsh with a 3-color manabase that's not centered on blue.

Try again.
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>>44880642
>have scalding tarns
>sell them and buy into Burn OR
>sell them and buy into Infect OR
>sell them and buy into Tron OR
>sell them and buy into Affinity OR
>any other mom BGx deck
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>>44880775
Isn't there a realistic chance any one of those decks will receive a ban in the name of "diversifying" the meta?
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>>44880543
>4 helix
>4 path
>4 bolt

Gee I wonder
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>>44880798
Tron is next on the list. Affinity and infect are safe.
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>>44880885
>the joke
>your head
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>>44880896
>implying a deck that plays as intended to will get banned

Urza lands were designed to work this way, anon. Twin and bloom were not designed for combo bullshit.
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>pic related; masterrace deck
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>>44881026
It's gonna get banned next year.
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>>44880976
>haha I was PRETENDING to be an idiot
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>>44880979
Why was cloud post banned then?
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>>44880259
Yeah I might do that. I don't really have any trouble casting the double U and W cards at the moment though.
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>>44881093
>not beating all of those matchups by casting sphinx's rev for 17
get a load of this fag
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>>44880896
>It has come to our attention that in the wake of the Splinter Twin ban several consistent, fast aggro decks that capitalize on unfair synergies have risen to prominence. These decks provide a strong game against fair decks like Tron and Eldrazi. In the interest of maintaining a balanced format where fair decks can thrive, Cranial Plating, Mox Opal, and Glistener Elf are banned.
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Affinityfags r8 my affinity build:

Lands (17):
1x Island
4x Blinkmoth Nexus
4x Inkmoth Nexus
4x Darksteel Citadel
3x Glimmervoid
1x Sea Gate Wreckage

Creatures (24):
3x Memnite
1x Frogmite
4x Ornithopter
4x Signal Pest
4x Vault Skirge
4x Arcbound Ravager
2x Master of Etherium
2x Etched Champion

Artifacts (12):
4x Mox Opal
1x Welding Jar
3x Springleaf Drum
4x Cranial Plating

Spells (7):
4x Galvanic Blast
1x Serum Visions
2x Thoughtcast

Sideboard:
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Welding Jar
1x Dispatch
2x Spell Pierce
2x Thoughtseize
2x Natural State
2x Ancient Grudge
2x Whipflare
1x Spellskite
1x Blood Moon
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>>44881026
Does Tron still play O-stone?
My meta they just play pyroclasm, firespout, and all is dust
Nice antiquities lands, 8th and 9th ed suck imo
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>>44881026
Nice looking grove you got there. Pretty cool land/10
>>44881041
I hope a piece gets banned but it's hard to say which piece should. Maybe map should get banned, they can still use chromatics + stirring but can no longer get that reliable t3 7 mana.


Idk Trons fine if you play aggro though, god bless burn.
2 bloodmoons, 4 skullcracks in the sb, maybe some attarkas/dpalm/smashs.
If you can stop the wurmcoil's swing you're golden, pyroclasm doesn't hurt too much and Karn is pretty much a Raven's Crime vs it. Another way to stop the wurmcoil's lifegain is to chump block then burn your own creature. If you can stop that +6 life you'll win, if you can't, scoop that shit up because there's no way to race a wurmcoil.
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what's the best version of zoo atm?
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>>44881152
More like

>in the wake of splinter twin being eliminated from the format, it has come to our attention that one deck aggressively generates mana to power out powerful threats. This deck challenges fair ways of generating mana, and therefore, to preserve the viability of fair cards like the urza lands, we are banning mox opal.
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>>44881119
Because people used it for combo bullshit.
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>>44875788
I love my legacy dredge deck. 50% of the time it is a turn 1 kill. the other 50% I have 30+ power worth of zombies and ichorids to out swarm any deck on T3.
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>>44881287
Naya could still be strong if you sideboard properly, it's got white for leylines/paths, and red for aggro and land destruction and dank green creatures. It loses to combo pretty hard though, since it's not as fast as burn (which puts combo on a very short clock) and the midrange aspect of it fails to tron's midgame. Its not quite a rock or a paper or a scissors, rather it's like a paper-thin rock I guess. Still good but not 'meta'
IMO bantz is better, same beater plan as zoo with a combo to end things on the spot.
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>>44881330
I love my Vintage Dredge deck
Once you have Bazaar of Baghdad though, nothing else will do
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>>44875439
Bullshit. We (8rack) just lost our best matchup and the new king (tron) is our worst matchup
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>>44876435
>>44877281
It's not even scary unless you have epilepsy.
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>>44881330
It's probably my favorite deck in Magic
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what do i replace the rending volley in my grixis delver sb with?
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>>44881330
I think you're talking about vintage dredge, the T1 is pretty tough to assemble in legacy, short of an LED/Breakthrough with dredger's in hand.
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>>44881431
breh dont you run smallpox and surgical extraction on the sb?
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>>44881480
Yes, I do. RG tron gives very few fucks though.
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Get your tooth and nail before they spike hard
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Is reanimater a viable thing in modern?
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>>44877157
post moar pics of yourself
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>>44881504
my breh, i do agree its a bad matchup, but it is very viable deck in the meta, it does very well against any other deck. I am working on a BGx loam pox deck for the infect/tron meta.
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>>44881228
O-Stone was important for the twin matchup so they might not in the future.
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>>44881544
Grishoalbrand is the closest you're gonna get
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>>44881431
8rack question: too poor to afford lilianas, necrogen mists makes an okay replacement, right? don't yall just use for her +1 as it is?
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is the B/R eldrazi deck a thing? I remember there being a mono black one but now that there is Kozilek's Return thats more than enough reason to be playing R too
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>>44881699
Yeah, mists is pretty good, that's what I'm running. Lili would be better against tron though.
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>>44881630
I like to think that maindeck spellskite, SB rending volley and torpor orb were always the better option
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>>44881699
well i will admit it is a well budget option, liliana's -2 is very useful against an eldrazi meta.
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>>44881544

The problem is that goryo's is like the only good reanimate spell in modern
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>>44875051
FISHY fags r8 my FISHY build:
4 AEther Vial
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Cursecatcher
4 Harbinger of the Tides
11 Island
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Master of the Pearl Trident
3 Master of Waves
4 Merrow Reejerey
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
4 Mutavault
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Spreading Seas

Sideboard:
1 Blighted Cataract
3 Dismember
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
1 Thassa, God of the Sea
4 Tidebinder Mage
4 Vapor Snag
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>>44881762
>>44881747
fair enough, I think I'll attempt to MB a bit more removal to try to cover her -2 better.
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>>44881732
People are experimenting. BR is alright for land destruction against Tron, but I prefer BG
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>>44881732
Black already has flaying tendrils, drown in sorrow and languish, and probably will only sideboard those
koz's return and bolt isnt enough reason to play red
If anything you splash white for the flicker eldrazi and PtE
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How much did you guys spend assembling your last deck, and what was it?
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Hey bros, quick question:

If I Path a Reality Smasher and I have a Loxdon Smiter in my hands, can I chuck down the Smiter for free when I try to discard it?
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>>44881858
Yeah
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>>44881851
more than i want to think about. it was twin.
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>>44881630
It kills blood moon and spreading seas as well as creatures, I'd say it's an easy keep to be sideboarded out in some matchups
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How's this list look before I buy in, senpai and senpai-ettes?
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>>44881858
>>44881884
You're not gonna have Path by the time Smasher comes out though
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>>44881851
about $700 for a monoblue control
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>>44881822
go creatureless, run 4 smallpox main and 3 dismember (assuming you can't afford the ensnaring bridges) . make sure to run atleast 25
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>>44881533
I don't know about that, but the deck is legit
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>>44881786
Best part of owning of MDN Merfolk and Vintage Grixis Thieves. I have the option of playing legacy merfolk because I own 4 True Names.

>BTW:
LGC Merfolk are doing badly because of the high rates of Storm, and Miracles.
Miracles (Counter on 2 + Terminus) = Bad Games
Storm (T1/T2 kills through the only permission FoW. Even chalices are not enough to make the matchup better).

BACK TO MODERN:
I LOVE MY FISHES IS A MODERN FORMAT THAT IS LACKING A SOLID HAY MAKER AGAINST THEM.
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>>44881851
Around $70, I already had most every card lying around and I just needed to buy a few fetchlands plus a few other random cards

RG Scapeshift
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>>44881929
25 land for the smallpox 1 dakmor salvage atleast
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>>44881851
Dropped $1000 on Merfolk
Dropped $3000 on Vintage Grixis Thieves (Power)
Dropped $0 to complete grixis delver. I have been accumulating / piecing into a grixis delver for 2 years
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>>44881884
Noice, thanks.

>>44881913
How come?
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>>44882003
Because TKS will be coming down before it typically
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>>44881929
alright, thanks. I see a lot of budget lists running pack rat but it seems way too slow. I'm thinking about having 2-3 Nyxathid in the SB, in the hopes that they swap out any removal after game one
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>>44882044
Pack Rat is amazing dude
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>>44881901
I dont really like this list
Thought-knot seer and reality smasher are auto-includes
Blightherder is bad, and conduit of ruin is better than oblivion sower
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>>44882044
>pack rat
>too slow

Son...
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>>44882068
You don't really want TKS and Smasher in a processor build. They go in a different type of deck
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>>44882068
So then link a list.
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>>44882044
i have played 8rack for a year straight, first build was 35$ and built up to the complete version. For budget version i dont recommend pack rats because you do need sac and play smallpox aggresively on turn two. When you have the complete full built list i recommend adding packrats and taking out smallpox for lilianas. I still have 4 smallpox in the sideboard where liliana is too slow like burn for example and taking one of their lands is very important.
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>>44881851
About 20 bucks on legacy ANT
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>>44880192

Can you delay Tron long enough to kill it with GoST? I only see a single tectonic edge.
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>>44882058
>>44882073
is it not? I've never played with it but 5 mana and a card to make 2 2/2s seems pretty poor. I get that it picks up steam quickly but still
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>>44881826
>not enough reason

but return is 2R instant speed sweeper that most likely will trigger twice.

>>44881825
what do you play with BG?
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>>44882135
You don't know how good it is until it's played against you.
Trust me, it's amazing
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>>44882135
you can go very aggresive, packrats and nyxathid and ignore smallpox
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>>44882135
like it seems like a limited bomb (which I understand it was, wasn't playing during RTR)
>>44882096
thanks a lot! what would you recommend in place of the rats? more discard/removal?
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>>44882151
This is what I have at the moment, I posted it before but I made some changes
I've been winning a lot
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>>44882179
>>44882154
alright, fair enough. I'll definitely try it out
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>>44877294
Can you explain what you mean?
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>>44882187
4 smallpox and 3 dismember if you want to go creatureless. If you like creatures 4 pack rats and 3 nyxathid. All these cards are very cheap so im pretty sure you can test choose one choice over the other after testing.
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>>44882089
post moar pics of yourself
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>>44879235
Plunge is way better in that deaths shadow deck
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>>44882117
It's a midrange deck. So Tron's a pretty awful match up anyway.
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tec edge or ghost quarter?
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>>44881851
G/w hatebears
$400 initially(the kibler 2013 list)but I have two binders of green and white staples/sideboard cards that I brought over the 4 years playing that deck. It's the only deck I enjoy playing.
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>>44882624
Ghost Quarter is superior to Tectonic Edge
Ghost Quarter:
+Pop Anytime
+They receive a basic land (if you hit tron with multiple Ghost Quarters they get time walked)
+Super Useful
Tectonic Edge:
-Requires opponent to have four or more lands (remember modern is a T4 format)
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>>44882624
Always Ghost Quarter.
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>>44881851
Around $600 on tooth and nail
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>>44882218
T2 Thought-Knot Seer is brutal anyway you slice it.
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>>44882750
It sure is.
I'm looking forward to seeing what people come up with
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>>44875051
Now that modern has sol lands:

I can imagine a MUD list:
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Lodestone Golem

4 Expedition Map

4 Chalice of the Void

4 Mox Opal ("free" mana"

# Sol Lands
# Tron Lands

Can this community help me finish this deck concept?
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So I told the ANL player to spoils a card not in his deck. he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahahha
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>>44882853
Sol lands that only work for Eldrazi though
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>>44882708

Them receiving a basic land is a negative not a positive, but yeah I agree
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>>44882880
Are there sol ring effects in modern to make the deck viable? Then again T3 going tron + Mox Opal into double lodestone golem (Legacy MUD esque).
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>>44882916
Most people with exception to burn, and merfolk run only 2-4 basic lands.

If they fetch out [OR] play T1 basic then they are essentially down to 1-3.
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>>44881851
About $500 on Legacy Leylines
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>>44875647
>$55

I swear I got mine for like $32 total or something.

But this was... I want to say before Deathrite Shaman was a card? It was definitely a few years ago so of course I got mine at a good price. Burn back then was not quite the shit stomper it is now.
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>>44881851
About $80 and it was Mono-Blue tron. Still need Chalice of the Void, but besides that it is done.
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Everyone talks about these eldrazi decks but I never see any lists linked. Whats the win condition even?
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>buy into mono-green infect (first modern deck), pick up everything but inkmoths for ~$50
>do reasonably well, put off buying a playset
>consider picking them up, they're gone up $10

I don't have the cash to grab a playset now, but they're only going up unless WotC goes back to Phyrexian shit, RIP.
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>>44883011
80? Does your list contain oboro, ugin and urborg (the later for dismember and sunderino shenanigans)
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>>44883111
Big fucking creatures hitting your opponent in the face
Processor lists run Ulamog as a finisher
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>>44883114
You assume they would include Inkmoth Nexus in that Return set. Don't bet on that. Ever.
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>>44882875
underrated post
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>>44883122
Yup, opened 1 Ugin at pre-release and traded for another. Urborg had some from 2015 or whenever it was reprinted and Oboro is cheap or was when i got it. The most expensive thing were the Wurmcoil engines and O-stones.
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>>44880798
BGx is pretty safe, there's nothing dominant about it and blows ass in the new meta
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>>44883129
When I see the deck in action it seems like Ulamog is rather redundant in the deck. Often Blight Herders or Sowers will have taken over the game by themselves, and UB lists also have Drowner to keep potential blockers away.
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>>44883331
That's why the future is tempo lists with Smasher and TKS as win conditions
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>>44883111
http://magic.tcgplayer.com/db/deck_search_result.asp?Format=Modern

Just look for eldrazi in the name.

>Whats the win condition even?
Usually pounding face with fatties pumped out quickly thanks to processing or RotE lands. Oblivion Sower in tandem with the eye of ugin and eldrazi temple help ramp up for newlamog as well. Once oath drops, I can see a lot of decks not even bothering with ramping with oblivion sower and instead gain tons of value from thought-knot seer, reality smasher and eldrazi mimic and the like.
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>>44880896
Affinity, Infect and Burn are only safe because they take up the same niche in the meta as aggro decks, meaning that the meta is already diverse as far as Wizards are concerned because more than one aggro deck is viable.

Hopefully they learned their lesson after banning Nacatl though, that when just one type of aggro deck is played it might be because its the only aggro deck that can deal with the other decks in the format.
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>>44883111
YouTube Member: Crafting and Scheming

He is going to best friend for all things UB (and BUG) Eldrazi.

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Image Attached: Modern Meta

>Well Gentleman Predictions:
>Merfolk (paper) up from 5% to 7%
>Grixis Twin (paper) becomes Grixis Control
>UR Twin (paper) becomes UWR Twin
>UWR (USA) Twin with Kiki and Resto
>UW Control sees more play.
>UWR (Jeskai, USA) sees more play
>Naya Zoo sees more play
>Abzan is the biggest loser of all the decks.
>Good Night Sweet Prince (Abzan)
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>>44882293
thanks a lot, made this real quick:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/19-01-16-lOG-budget-8-rack/
any opinions on liliana's caress? i see a lot of budget lists running it but i don't know what would be cut for it
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>>44883551
broken link, make it public famiglia
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>>44883569
whoops, fixed
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>>44883637
why on earth are you not running duress
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>>44883254
Nice meeting a fellow Utron player :)
If you fell like it, join our discussion at mtgsalvation in the well oiled machine thread dedicated to Utron
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>>44880979
You're almost right. Splinter twin was designed to be a combo piece. It was released in the block just prior to Scars of Mirrodin. You know, the block Deceiver Exarch was printed in. They were fully aware of the interaction between the two.
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>>44883678
forgot about it desu, cut the victim of nights, a funeral charm, and a wrench mind for 4x duress
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>>44883551
liliana's caress is only good if you have it in your opening hand, it becomes useless in top deck mode.
Consider Waste Not in its place, which would give you more value if you have it early
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>>44883765
necrogen mists is bad
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So I guess this is the best place to ask. What was Wizards thinking/smoking when they made Wurmcoil? "Every color gets a ticket to value town"?
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>>44881228
You might reconsider if they weren't commonly white border.
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>>44883839
Its 6 mana no ETB
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>>44875076
UWr control is legit.

[Check] Resto your wall of omens in long grindy games
[Check] Resto your snap and counter / draw / remand
[Check] Bolt / Lightning Helix + Snap + Bolt / Lightning Helix is a real thing
[Check] Beats other control decks

Negative:
Pilot heavy deck. Bad pilot equals bad losses.
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>>44883767
thanks, I've seen waste not in my friend's Nekusar deck, never seen it outside of commander; I'll check it out
>>44883778
what would you recommend instead? (other than lily)
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>>44883839
That was the point. Every color gets to slam a 6/6 for 6 with added abilities and the ability to 2-1 your opponents removal.

>You should be happy they did not make roast >do 6 damage instead of 5.
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>>44883881
Not to mention you get to sphinx's rev for 15. Also, main board board wipes.
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>>44883952
And then after you discard down to 7 cards in hand you can elixir of immortality and make sure you play all the cards you want. The best part your deck becomes all action and no fluff (lands).
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>>44883929
4 Duress
4 Shrieking Affliction
4 The Rack
4 Raven's Crime
4 Wrench Mind
4 Blackmail
3 Dismember
4 Smallpox
2 Funeral Charm
2 Pack Rat
3 Victim of Night
2 Dakmor Salvage
20 Swamp

3 mana is way too much
24 lands is too much

consider cutting a couple of the removal spells for more discard or 1 darkness
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>>44881851
Like 100 on Gifts and 50 on Junk
About 200 on twin ;-;
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>>44883841
Nope
Ill buy all the chronicles. but i wont touch 8th and 9th
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>>44881851
It was a YGO deck. About $50.
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>>44883839
Modern didn't exist when Wizards made Wurmcoil. It was actually kinda a second string threat until modern Tron came along.
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>>44884011
Yeah, if the top decks become only Tron, all in combos and aggro decks. I think UWR control becomes really good.
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Why does everyone run Go for the throat/Doom Blade over Path to Exile in Memedrazi?
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>>44876414
What world do you live in?
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>>44884091
I think the black version is gonna be faster
If people wanna use white, theyre gonna have to cut lingering souls for eldrazi replacer so they can flicker thought-knot and wasteland strangler
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Reminder that not even my RUG Loam meming could withstand these bans and I'm bailing out of the game save for a couple EDH decks and Miracles. Wizards are too erratic and contradictory. They ban a perfectly fine deck out of nowhere, then say things that make no sense about why they did it. Fuck this shit I'm putting more attention on Warmahordes. Maybe find a nice MMO to play.
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>>44884024
i've been goldfishing and i'm 50/50 on necrogen, it seems real good with a solid opening hand, but it's otherwise dead weight, and i've definitely been feeling manaflooded - i'll give your list a try, thanks. i've been sitting on a darkness for ages trying to trade it, but i'll throw it in, too
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>>44884237
Oh sure, it's faster cos it's black? You racist shitwad.
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>>44884237
Flicker Thought-Knot Seer

>That sentence when said aloud sounds dirty.
>Dirty in a good way.
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>>44884270
you do realize at some point you are going to need lili, ts, and iok?
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>>44884294
The man speaks the truth.
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>>44884288
I may even put a few into Death and Taxes. Vial on four feels REALLY bad, but the fact that we already run full sets of Ghost Quarter and a few other utility lands makes me feel better.

Painlands may even be a reasonable inclusion in that sort of build. Get BW for Sculler.
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>>44884294
oh yeah, i just don't have the funds now and want to build it in the meantime and gradually pick them up (while waiting for reprints because hey I can dream)

I'm sitting on ~$300 on Pucatrade from flipping '94/'95 bulk, and I imagine I'll be sent Blackmails/Duresses/Funeral Charms well before IoK/TS/Lili
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>>44884270
>it seems real good with a solid opening hand, but it's otherwise dead weight

That's because all you're doing is brewing yet another inconsistent combo deck. If you make the deck more consistent and/or faster than existing combo decks, then congratulations, all you've done is speed the format up without addressing the format's absolutely horrendous archetype imbalance.
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>>44884429
Lilliana and thoughtsieze are either never getting reprinted or are going to be mythics in a MM although I could possibly see sieze being a rare but their rare/mythic bumps are fucking random as hell at times.
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>>44884558
if anything Kozilek seems less likely since IIRC MaRo said from now on all Eldrazi-associated cards are going to be devoid
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I'm building infect with promos glistener elf and foil pendelhaven/ dryad arbor from the vault.

bling while you Anally fuck your colorless enemies
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>>44884558
"Random"
Tarmo, Bob, Vendillion clique. obviously "random" and not a jewish move at his finest
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>>44884639
So much for the future of devotion based strategies.
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>>44884368
>Vial on four feels REALLY bad
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>>44884045
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION YOU DELIGHTFUL PERSON
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>>44884747
Vial [4] --> Thought-Knot Seer
Not the worst place to be.
Obviously Vial [2 or 3] is preferred.
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>>44884775
not Oкo Уджинa

кaкoй пoзop...
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>>44884775
>>44884045
>>44884045
desu all the Urza's art is bad I hope the next modern event deck is mono-blue Tron just for new art and the new colorless symbol
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Will oath of Nissa go down?
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>>44884900
actually i don't wanna more people playing tron i just want the lands reprinted in a supplemental product
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>>44884775
What are you gonna do when wotc bans Tron?
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>>44884904
Everyone dies
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>>44884928
Cry myself to sleep while clutching Karn to my chest.
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>>44884928
They have 0 reason to ban tron. It is a beatable deck. It gets ripped apart by timely remands.
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>>44884809
Playing a worse version of someone else's deck isn't really where you want to be. I legitimately think that BW Hatebears could be a real thing. I hereby name the deck "Death and Blaxes". Tidehollow Sculler was never a bad card, and Thrull Parasite is a criminally underrated card. He fucks with Tron's walkers and fiddles with your Vials while casually whittling down life totals. The life gain from him will help you out immensely in the coming metagame where Burn and Affinity are going to hurt you real bad real fast. Like god damn, it's a one drop with 2 useful abilities. The fuck more do you want? Hybrid mana cost, higher toughness, a 3rd ability, and fucking elf tribal?
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>>44884996
gotta keep things fresh, anon
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>>44884996
They have 0 reason to ban twin. it is a beatable deck. It gets ripped apart by abrupt decays.
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>>44884996
Remand emrakul pliz
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>>44884847
Я нe гoвopю нa языкe , бpaт.
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>>44884722
Comet Storm at mythic while leaving Cryptic at rare is what I was talking about.
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>>44885060
That's what Venser is for ;^)
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>>44885147
Comet Storm at mythic is probably the only well designed part of that set since the card actually is incredibly powerful in limited.
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>playtest Jeskai Ascendancy-Wish vs Tron and Affinity
>Out of 10 games, it wins 6x vs Tron with Side boarding, wins 4x vs Affinity with Side boarding

I'll try to bring it in FNM this week. This deck could really make a comeback
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>>44885154
Is this better than Finks in Wilt-leaf Abzan? Does it enable them to push the tokens strat? Or is it just a bad intangible virtue?

I pulled one during pre-release and idk if i should sell it. A friend offered me $15 cash.
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>>44885178
It was always Mythic.

Comet Storm is one of the more ridiculous Fireballs around. In the sense that it's pretty much how you'd expect the original Fireball to work.
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>>44885226
3 drop is super congested for tokens as is.
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>>44885226
Sorry to >>44885154, i used you to get the quick-reply box and forgot to delete your post number.
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>>44885226
No, i don't see it gut on little kid abzan
>dies to bolt
>0/1 tokens why would you need that having access to lingering souls
>the only relevant choices is the -2 and we already run gavony township

Maybe sideboard win more shit
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>>44885283
>tfw my (You) meant nothing
>yfw yours doesn't
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>>44885060
Remand on
Wurmcoil Engine (6) sets them back
Karn (7) sets them back
Ugin (8) sets them back
(soon to be) Reality Smasher (5 + 1 Colorless) Would set them back.
Sometimes making them replay the O stone is enough time to kill them.
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>>44885294
>3 loyalty planeswalker with a +1 ability
>"dies to bolt"
Leave.
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>>44885370
>Sometimes making them replay the O stone is enough time to kill them
Yeah because you still have enough mana to flash in Deceiver Exarch then untap and play Splinter Tw-

Oh.
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Anon, what are the hosers for the BWx faildrazi deck? Better make sure I'm prepared once these nerds make it big.
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>>44885571
Curse of Knight (2BB) all creatures get -1/-1
+Drown in Sorrow (1BB) all creatures get -2/-2
[OR]
+Languish (2BB) all creatures -4/-4
They are already reducing their creature stats based on heartless summon by -1/-1.

Maybe the solution? MAYBE?
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>>44885571
damnation

ghost quarter tbhfam
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Is there any way to make Presence of Gond/Midnight Guard into a viable combo?
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>>44885873
play pauper
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Hey the two least exciting cards for my deck came in today

>>44884250
If you find a good mmo pls tell me
Been playing Path of Exile that's all right
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>>44885967
I know you're excited and all but fucking keep your camera steady Mr. Parkinson's.

Iona and WoG, must be one of those Gifts Rites assholes.
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>>44885671
the Heartless Summoning version is winmore as fuck, what about the other ones?
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>>44886007
Oh wow that is a bad picture, gunna blame my phone. And yeah now that Twins dead I'm building Esper Gifts
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Is Cockatrice worse than /tg/ at Magic?
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>>44886050
I feel you senpai.
My order of lands for Gifts has started to trickle in.
Splashed in some G for Abrupt Decay, Maelstrom Pulse, and Eternal Witness.
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>>44886160
>playing pauper on cockatrice
For what purpose?
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>>44875323

Chapin style Grixis control with 2 Tasigur and 3 Gurmag Anglers is VERY legit.

Turn one fetchland, dark ritual for 3 and draw a card, turn two fetchland and Angler is very good against tron.

Now, the new, more controlish grixis with Jace, Vryn's prodigy and Pia and Kira nalaar is not fast enough,

But Chapin's grixis puts a fast clock and disruption.
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>>44885873

Think of how difficult it is to land that pestermite splinter twin combo because pestermite dies to everything

The presence of gond combo is similar and even when you do get the combo off, the tokens don't have haste so unless that's also part of he combo, you're giving them another turn to untap andt find a supreme or anger of the gods
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>>44886317
>dark ritual
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>>44881786
4 Caverns seems too much, now that twin is gone cut two harbingers for two phantasmal images. 4 main board chalice also seems bad maybe run some spell pierces.
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>>44886386
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>>44886317
The problem with your Dark Ritual is that it only helps you to cast spells which are overcosted in the first place.

Now hitting THIS puppy with a Giant Growth. THAT is a Dark Ritual.
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>>44886317
I think you goofed
>dark ritual
>pia and kiran nalaar
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>>44886234
Do me a favor and split up this Gifts pile:

Noxious Revival
Snapcaster
Hive Mind
Pact of Negation


>>44886419
Delve makes anything it's attached to automatically undercosted as fuck if it only has a color weight of 1 or 2.
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I miss playing Twin

They should at least unban Mind Sculptor soon so I can play a viable control list
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>>44886443
hive snap

pact nox
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>>44883841
White bordered tron lands make you cracking map or acting a lot faster, just saying.
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>>44886419
>Pump it up a fuck ton
>Make a shit ton of mana
>Manamorphose for BB
>Play Vampire Hexmage
>Remove all the counters from Devoted Druid
>Make even MORE mana
>Tooth and Nail

Devoted Druid also gets mad props for 1) going infinite with Quillspike, and 2) going infinite with Melira, a card which hates on a deck which may very well become tier 1 soon.
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>>44886419
>The problem with your Dark Ritual is that it only helps you to cast spells which are overcosted in the first place.
>Now hitting THIS puppy with a Giant Growth. THAT is a Dark Ritual.

playing a 4/5 or 5/5 for one mana is not overcosted.

I just saying that people understimate the grixis tempo variant with anglers and tasi. Turn 2 or 3 Tasigur or angler is not difficult and agains tron it puts them on a very fast clock that you can keep with kolaghans' command, land destruction, and counters.

Chapin's Grixis with Angler > (UWR and grixis without angler IMO)
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>>44886491
What are you saying?
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>>44886530
You're still relying on graveyard interactions in a format that contains Rest in Peace.
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>>44886494
epic creature based combo meme desu-senpai
smdh
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>>44886494
She doesn't go infinite with melira, as its a cost you can't pay.
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>>44885220

I also tried replaying my old deck since the cruise/dig bannings and I can safely say this deck has a chance assuming this is the supposed from vs aggro meta were all speculating about
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>>44886573
>tfw someone noticed

Yeah well Quillspike still works. You just Summoner's Pact for it, make it infinitely big, then Fling it. Because Modern needs more combo decks.
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>>44886443
Hive & Pact to the yard, it at least makes you spend the most mana total out of it and might put too back a turn to what you were hoping.
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>>44886559
Tron can turn 3 wurmcoil
Tron should be running 2 maindeck relic
Even if you beat them game 1, theyll board in 2 more, and 2 grafdiggers cages
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Hello Reddit, Ad Nauseam player here. AMA!
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>>44886559
Rest in peace is a bitch, yes, but no one plays white.
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>>44886649
>grafdiggers cages
To achieve what exactly?
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>>44886649
meant for>>44886530
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>>44886540
Prefer my lands to be white bordered, but that might just be the legacy player in me. Anyways white bordered lands allow you to fan in you hand and mite quickly find the card you're looking for.
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>>44886667
Burn and Affinity do.
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>>44881203
serum visions is not good in affinity i would swap it out for another thoughtcast
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>>44886662
Why is Spoils the fucking worst card I've ever played
What am I doing wrong
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>>44885370

"Setting them back" doesn't do anything when they just kill you through inevitability. Im beginning to think you don't actually understand how Tron works. You need to kill them, not set them back: Remand only helps if you can stop them from winning to win yourself. See >>44875132
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>>44886668
Stops Snappy
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>>44886484

WOTC pls.

Literally the day before the Twin ban I explained to a few friends why JtMS won't work in Modern.

Now that blue's effectively dead I actively think it's one of the only chances for control to survive.
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>GRAFDIGGERS CAGE STOPS THIS

WHY

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY STOP YOU CASTING FROM YOUR LIBRARY AT ALL
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>>44886824
Most ridiculous mechanic ever, but I like it.
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>>44886758

Spoils is a card that either wins you the game or confirms that you were going to lose anyways. Its just the nature of "picking up your deck" style draws as a wincon.
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>>44886758
Luck of the Draw, fellow Redditor!
Sometimes you just Exile all your important Magic: The Gathering Cards and lose on the spot! Oh no!

spoils is amazing you cuc.k, it might be that you are making mistakes in other areas of play like cantrip sequencing. fucking yourself with spoils is ~7% with two lightning storms
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>>44886824
Because Tinker is a thing
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>>44875132
>The Wurmcoils crawling up your ass
sounds hot tbqh fampai

>>44886764
Setting them back does wonders when you're aggro control. If you have the ability to keep pressure on your opponent with a fast clock while controlling the board, buying a turn with remand can make or break the game.
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>>44886649

If I sideboard against tron I bring in 4 molten rain and counters. I try to play an early tasi/angler and land destruction does the rest.

I am not saying is easy, but is certainly easier than with other control decks.
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>>44886805
I really don't think it would bring that much harm to modern by itself

It comes out on turn 4 which is wizards safe word

Every deck in the meta is so linear that barely any would care about him or interact with him besides maybe a stray bolt.

>tron would just assemble tron and hurr durr slam muh karn
>infect, burn, affinity would go face for big damage
>chord company decks would probably already try to combo at that point

Like fuck give control a decent win condition card. If not Mind Sculptor give SFM. Having pretty much 0 viable tier 1 or 2 control decks is pretty obnoxious
>
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>>44886865
>Play spoils
>exile half your deck
>grab storm
>barely combo off
For fuck's sakes I run 22 lands and only have 3 in play, my luck can't be that bad. Peer feels more stable tbqh senpai
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>>44886875

>Clock
>Vs Tron
>Control

TIL Naya Burn is actually a control deck.
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>>44886984
wew lad are you saying that you are spoiling for lightning storm?

if so i don't think you understand how the deck works
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>>44886805

Why is control bad?

Is it the lack of ponder and preordain?
Is it the lack of force of will or at least counterspell?

I think it would make more sense to unban a can trip than unban jtms
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guys why the fuck is fulminator spiking right now? I was looking to pick up a playset a couple of days ago while it was in the low 20s, but now it is 40-50.
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>>44887028
jews

the time to buy is always yesterday.
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>>44887028
When the meta is expected to be 90% tron lands and blinkmoth nexuses, fulminator mage looks pretty good
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>>44887028
Tron.

Also living end is the biggest casual bait deck in existence so its cards will always be retard expensive.
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>>44887004
I learned to play the deck without Spoils so yeah I have no clue how to play it with Spoils, am I supposed to be going for Nauseam?
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>>44886989
I run faeries though. Also, with a healthy amount of discard, mistbind cliques, and remands/whatever other counters I run, I don't usually have many problems unless I mulled too aggressively. faeries can switch gears and put out a fast clock when it needs to. Having pic related online early helps too.
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>>44887018

Control is bad because there is literally nothing a "true" control deck can do to win the game vs Tron, and the grave-dependant hybrids get fucked even harder.

Counterspell and cantrips could theoretically help, but the former already sees play in Spell Pierce and Negate, and the latter buffs Storm. Control is simply lacking a form of inevitability beyond Delving for midrange fattys and backing them up. They get absolutely crushed on the grind by Tron.

>>44887028

>Splinter Twin is banned
>All hail Lord Karn
>Why is the premier LD in Modern spiking?
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>>44887098
>That art
It's criminal that there's no official playmat with this on.
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>>44883713
I love mono U tron but I feel like a meta where one of its best matchups was just banned and its two worst matchups are surging in popularity isn't the time to be sleeving it up.
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>>44887093

You go for Nauseam, and then the subsequent draws tell you whether you had a chance of winning or not. If both Naus are below Simian/Storm/etc, you weren't practically gonna win anyways.
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>>44887093
It is your AN 5-7
Secondly, it can grab Angel's Grace if you have AN in hand

The only other cards you will name are Pact of Negation, mid combo to turn 1 mana into a counterspell and naming a card not in your deck if you have Lab Maniac in play to mill yourself. If you hit too many ssg or your lightning storm you lose, so always scry them to the bottom when possible.
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>>44887130

All 4* derp too much Hearthstone
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>>44884270
You need necrogen senpai. If you play against someone who knows how to play against discard you need necrogen they even stack breh.
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So is tron going to be banned next? Or will it be more random cards from blue decks?
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I can't understand why Tron is allowed to exist. It's a control deck that gets to skip the early and midgame and go straight into dropping the game winning late game bombs. I feel as though T3 Karn/T4 Ugin does more damage to Modern than anything on the ban list barring the obvious exceptions like Skullclamp, Mental Misstep, and Ancestral Recall.
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>>44883551
Alright the guy that play 8rack for a year is back holy shit. Ignore what everyone is telling you about waste not and lilianas caress is bad. Stick to

4 necrogen mists
4 smallpox
4 black mail
4 wrench mind
4 duress
3 Dismember
4 The rack
4 shrieking affliction
4 Raven's Crime <- this card will tilt your opponents
2 removal spells of your choice

22 swamp
2 dakmor
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>>44887244
>No Lilly in a deck that wants to make their opponent's hand as small as possible

Hahahaaaa.
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>>44887285
Hahaha retard hasn't even read the conversation. The message was for someone who is playing a budget version.
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>>44885967
>modern masters
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>>44887316
so you played a shit deck for over a year.
that actually makes you lose credibility and your list is legitimately terrible
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>>44887341
>Bernie "Free Stuff MacGuff" Sanders
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>>44887379
Hey man Hillary has that affect on people.

Watching her embarrass herself on national media tonight was entertaining.
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>>44887379
(You)
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>>44887354
That isn't the deck I played. That's the budget version I played.
This is what I run now
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>>44887354
>terrible
It's literally the same list Tom ross played and won an iq with. Without lilianas, iqs and Thoughtseize.
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>>44887499
3 or 4 pack rats?
you try 1 murderous cut?

>>44887519
it's the exact same list! without the best cards! it's basically the same deck!
+1
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How is Scapeshift vs Tron? I can build it for cheap, but is there an actual gameplan? Or do I just sit there with my dick in my hand trying to race through the Karn Rains?
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>>44887574
It's was for someone who couldn't afford them and no I have 4 rats. I had Slaughter Pact instead if surgical but decided to have Pact in the side. I might try murderous cuts.
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>>44887244
Fair enough, I'm certainly inclined to go w/ what you're saying but I'll play around, thanks. How important are the Mutavaults as a backup wincon? I imagine the first upgrades should be IoKs and TS but wasn't sure how pivotal the manlands are
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>>44887658
it's not a "backup win condition" it just helps speed the clock up significantly. think of it as an extra 4 copies of the rack that do 2/3 of the damage
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Inverter of truth looks so sexy. Like a gimped pseudo doomsday.
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>>44887658
When I had the budget version I told myself I don't need the mutavaults. I was terribly wrong they are absolutely terrific. First upgrade I did was to buy my ensnaring bridges and pack rats (replacing smallpox and Dismember). I recommend looking Robert Lava on YouTube he created the deck and uploads frequently on the deck. He also tries brewing for it so I usually watch him to get ideas.
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>>44887594

Enjoy your bye, you give no shit vs him, he gives no shit vs you but you get to win faster since he doesn't interact at all with you
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>>44887101
Ban Eye of Ugin, reprint Counterspell and Innocent Blood. Bam, Esper Control is now Tier 1.
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>>44887101

How does jtms help you vs tron?

It seems to me that tron is just an op deck
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>>44887717
>>44887750
Alright, thanks a lot!
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>>44887894
Yeah no problem and my bad it's "Robert Leva" I would also consider reading the primer in mtg salvation. If you're ever interested in legacy you can also build mono black Pox.
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START NEW THREAD AND LINK IT FAGGOTS
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>>44887841
Well innocent Blood is nice, Counterspell wouldn't really do a lot of esper at all. Counterspells are not the issue with control
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I showed up for a Modern Monday and nobody was there ;_;
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>>44888175
did you make top 8?
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>>44888175
That's because it's Tuesday.
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new

>>44888288
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>>44887594
if he natural trons and drop wurmcoil on T3 you're gonna have a rough time. he'll gain a lot of life and get out of combo range.
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>>44886317
Why no both?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bananaman-and-his-pet-fish/
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