Hardcounters to Tron Edition
If you've been dead for the past few days, Splinter Twin and Summer Bloom have been banned. The police have left the city; we're Chicago now.
Is it basically required to have 4 Ghost Quarter in the side now? What decks are sleeping giants that are bound to make waves? Is
Ad Nauseamstill a meme?
accidentally posted this in the last one but what would be the cost of building merfolk if i already have Aether viles? I am currently stuck between Merfolk or Instant Reanimator for what deck to play next.
Your daily reminder that Tron is essentially a colorless deck, and that control decks can't close against it even if you shut off the ramp.
The Wurmcoils crawling up your ass don't care how many lands were tapped to play them, or what colour they were.
Tron is immune to discard and holds the best inevitability in the format. Spell Piercing a Karn or Ugin was only cheeky when you could punish them for tapping out with Twin the next couple turns. You're going to run out of countermagic long before he runs out of threats, and even if you don't you still have to win the game.
Moving karn from turn 3 to turn 10 is a pretty decent thing to do. Pushing back wurm by almost that much is the same too. Also by the time engine comes down you'll practically be able to steal it with shackles.
This is assuming you don't just flat out lose to a resolved Karn on T3, or he practically wins by popping a rock/floating mana and wiping it out with one of the half dozen options for artifact/enchantment removal Tron now has free.
Ghost Quarter -> Surgical Extraction on one of the lands is the best I can do in Esper Control. That slows him down a lot and stops Emrakul from hitting the field. I can deal with Wurmcoil/Karn/Ugin/Newlamog if I have time to sculpt a hand and make land drops.
Blue Moon is a bad deck because aside from bouncing something with cryptic and then countering it again (probably with another cryptic because by the time you have the mana to do this Mana Leak will be dead) you can't deal with resolved threats that don't die to bolt. Grixis/UWR/Esper all have hard removal in the main and better sideboard options for noncreature permanents.
I haven't played for like 3 years. I'm bringing my old monoblue faeries deck to a local tournament this weekend. Aside from the usual problem that aggro poses, anything I should particularly beware or otherwise plan on having adjust my sideboard to combat?
The metagame without twin is going to be gross
>but my tier 6 brew might be top tier now with twin gone!!!!
>invigorate make infect viable
Infect was already viable. Invigorate would make it broken.
Probably wouldn't change much. Control would still suck dick in modern until we get something like stoneforge or mind sculptor
Not him, and I'm not saying Invigorate should be reprinted, but I really don't think the metagame is as simple as you think it is.
Spellskite is still a thing that gives Infect headaches, for example. Moreover, aggressive strategies was always Tron's worst ones. Twin on the other hand was pretty easy for Tron to deal with, especially near the end, and Twin did a lot to hose many aggressive strategies.
Could you imagine if instead of unbanning Twin, they just declared Modern a T3 format, unbanned blue's toys, and reprinted Counterspell and Price?
Legacy Burn is already just Modern Burn + Price and duals, so it really wouldn't take much to get the aggro decks on a T3 clock.
>Twin on the other hand was pretty easy for Tron to deal with, especially near the end, and Twin did a lot to hose many aggressive strategies.
This. I'd rather play a thousand Twin g2/3s than a single match vs burn or infect that rips the god draw.
Why the two Unsummons? I get that you don't lose the life if you want to save one of your lords, but that seems very negligible while the extra damage a Snag gets in does not in an aggressive deck.
Modern General protips:
filter the tranny
filter "EDH" and "Standard"
nettle sentinel is an owl perched on a branch
>tfw pull 2 in midnight prerelease out of my 4 ogw packs along with a thought-knot seer
>tfw opponent had to burn 4 cards to get rid of it
>mfw top deck my second one the turn after
>Is Ad Nauseam still a meme?
It hasn't been since they started using spoils of the vault over peer through depths. Only gets stronger with the banning because jund and junk will vanish.
Spoils is always worth it. You just run two lightning storms and you're fine. If you end up having a really shitty spoils and exile like half of your deck and hit too many lands/spirit guides then you weren't going to win anyway.
Memedrazi seems like a horrible matchup for Ad Nauseam though. They run discard and can process our lotus blooms.
I run 1 Conjurer's Bauble in the main; it's been clutch many times when I draw Storm and they Thoughtseize it. If I dump the Peer (I can't remember how many I run) should I add 1 Storm and 2-3 Spoils?
Is Twin viable with Kiki Jiki? What changes to the deck have to be made in addition?
>not adding the link as is thinking he'll get banned
Your responsibility, anon. Also, that's just current jund with G and W switched. Not very original and goyf just seems like a better option.
American Gifts may be a fun alternative. If an opponent taps out you Gifts EoT and reanimate Kiki-Jiki on Turn 5.
Really it just means your surprise win is slower and isn't as compact. Viable at T2, but no longer T1
What about Plunge into Darkness? Seems a bit safer, although it's more expensive.
Damn. The funny thing is I don't even own the deck I just really was intent on building it because I love the Izzet from Ravnica and the deck fit that perfectly. I have a lot of pieces but thankfully the pieces I have bought slot into scapeshift more then Twin (I have a set of Mistys but no Tarns). I guess it's time to let Twin rest or maybe see how the diehard Twin players have altered it for the Pro Tour and at my LGS. I'll talk to the numerous Twin players this Friday and see what changes they've made.
It filters as spam
Also lel >original
We're not trying to be special snowflake but just do variants in working strats
Also this deck handles burn better, while also destroying Jund. Also probably has a better affinity matchup than Abzan due to kolaghans command. Likely does better than Jund versus infect as well due to lingering souls
The topdeck game is strong with abbot
Give it a few more months. Still in development phase
About 500 if you don't buy Tarns (don't buy tarns)
You better not burn your money on those right now, Anon.
>It has come to our attention that in the wake of the Splinter Twin ban several consistent, fast aggro decks that capitalize on unfair synergies have risen to prominence. These decks provide a strong game against fair decks like Tron and Eldrazi. In the interest of maintaining a balanced format where fair decks can thrive, Cranial Plating, Mox Opal, and Glistener Elf are banned.
Affinityfags r8 my affinity build:
4x Blinkmoth Nexus
4x Inkmoth Nexus
4x Darksteel Citadel
1x Sea Gate Wreckage
4x Signal Pest
4x Vault Skirge
4x Arcbound Ravager
2x Master of Etherium
2x Etched Champion
4x Mox Opal
1x Welding Jar
3x Springleaf Drum
4x Cranial Plating
4x Galvanic Blast
1x Serum Visions
1x Tormod's Crypt
1x Welding Jar
2x Spell Pierce
2x Natural State
2x Ancient Grudge
1x Blood Moon
Nice looking grove you got there. Pretty cool land/10
I hope a piece gets banned but it's hard to say which piece should. Maybe map should get banned, they can still use chromatics + stirring but can no longer get that reliable t3 7 mana.
Idk Trons fine if you play aggro though, god bless burn.
2 bloodmoons, 4 skullcracks in the sb, maybe some attarkas/dpalm/smashs.
If you can stop the wurmcoil's swing you're golden, pyroclasm doesn't hurt too much and Karn is pretty much a Raven's Crime vs it. Another way to stop the wurmcoil's lifegain is to chump block then burn your own creature. If you can stop that +6 life you'll win, if you can't, scoop that shit up because there's no way to race a wurmcoil.
>in the wake of splinter twin being eliminated from the format, it has come to our attention that one deck aggressively generates mana to power out powerful threats. This deck challenges fair ways of generating mana, and therefore, to preserve the viability of fair cards like the urza lands, we are banning mox opal.
Naya could still be strong if you sideboard properly, it's got white for leylines/paths, and red for aggro and land destruction and dank green creatures. It loses to combo pretty hard though, since it's not as fast as burn (which puts combo on a very short clock) and the midrange aspect of it fails to tron's midgame. Its not quite a rock or a paper or a scissors, rather it's like a paper-thin rock I guess. Still good but not 'meta'
IMO bantz is better, same beater plan as zoo with a combo to end things on the spot.
my breh, i do agree its a bad matchup, but it is very viable deck in the meta, it does very well against any other deck. I am working on a BGx loam pox deck for the infect/tron meta.
FISHY fags r8 my FISHY build:
4 AEther Vial
4 Cavern of Souls
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Harbinger of the Tides
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
4 Lord of Atlantis
4 Master of the Pearl Trident
3 Master of Waves
4 Merrow Reejerey
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
4 Silvergill Adept
4 Spreading Seas
1 Blighted Cataract
1 Kira, Great Glass-Spinner
1 Thassa, God of the Sea
4 Tidebinder Mage
4 Vapor Snag
Black already has flaying tendrils, drown in sorrow and languish, and probably will only sideboard those
koz's return and bolt isnt enough reason to play red
If anything you splash white for the flicker eldrazi and PtE
How's this list look before I buy in, senpai and senpai-ettes?
Best part of owning of MDN Merfolk and Vintage Grixis Thieves. I have the option of playing legacy merfolk because I own 4 True Names.
LGC Merfolk are doing badly because of the high rates of Storm, and Miracles.
Miracles (Counter on 2 + Terminus) = Bad Games
Storm (T1/T2 kills through the only permission FoW. Even chalices are not enough to make the matchup better).
BACK TO MODERN:
I LOVE MY FISHES IS A MODERN FORMAT THAT IS LACKING A SOLID HAY MAKER AGAINST THEM.
alright, thanks. I see a lot of budget lists running pack rat but it seems way too slow. I'm thinking about having 2-3 Nyxathid in the SB, in the hopes that they swap out any removal after game one
i have played 8rack for a year straight, first build was 35$ and built up to the complete version. For budget version i dont recommend pack rats because you do need sac and play smallpox aggresively on turn two. When you have the complete full built list i recommend adding packrats and taking out smallpox for lilianas. I still have 4 smallpox in the sideboard where liliana is too slow like burn for example and taking one of their lands is very important.
like it seems like a limited bomb (which I understand it was, wasn't playing during RTR)
thanks a lot! what would you recommend in place of the rats? more discard/removal?
This is what I have at the moment, I posted it before but I made some changes
I've been winning a lot
4 smallpox and 3 dismember if you want to go creatureless. If you like creatures 4 pack rats and 3 nyxathid. All these cards are very cheap so im pretty sure you can test choose one choice over the other after testing.
$400 initially(the kibler 2013 list)but I have two binders of green and white staples/sideboard cards that I brought over the 4 years playing that deck. It's the only deck I enjoy playing.
Ghost Quarter is superior to Tectonic Edge
+They receive a basic land (if you hit tron with multiple Ghost Quarters they get time walked)
-Requires opponent to have four or more lands (remember modern is a T4 format)
It sure is.
I'm looking forward to seeing what people come up with
Now that modern has sol lands:
I can imagine a MUD list:
4 Thought-Knot Seer
4 Lodestone Golem
4 Expedition Map
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Mox Opal ("free" mana"
# Sol Lands
# Tron Lands
Can this community help me finish this deck concept?
So I told the ANL player to spoils a card not in his deck. he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahahha
I swear I got mine for like $32 total or something.
But this was... I want to say before Deathrite Shaman was a card? It was definitely a few years ago so of course I got mine at a good price. Burn back then was not quite the shit stomper it is now.
>buy into mono-green infect (first modern deck), pick up everything but inkmoths for ~$50
>do reasonably well, put off buying a playset
>consider picking them up, they're gone up $10
I don't have the cash to grab a playset now, but they're only going up unless WotC goes back to Phyrexian shit, RIP.
Yup, opened 1 Ugin at pre-release and traded for another. Urborg had some from 2015 or whenever it was reprinted and Oboro is cheap or was when i got it. The most expensive thing were the Wurmcoil engines and O-stones.
When I see the deck in action it seems like Ulamog is rather redundant in the deck. Often Blight Herders or Sowers will have taken over the game by themselves, and UB lists also have Drowner to keep potential blockers away.
Just look for eldrazi in the name.
>Whats the win condition even?
Usually pounding face with fatties pumped out quickly thanks to processing or RotE lands. Oblivion Sower in tandem with the eye of ugin and eldrazi temple help ramp up for newlamog as well. Once oath drops, I can see a lot of decks not even bothering with ramping with oblivion sower and instead gain tons of value from thought-knot seer, reality smasher and eldrazi mimic and the like.
Affinity, Infect and Burn are only safe because they take up the same niche in the meta as aggro decks, meaning that the meta is already diverse as far as Wizards are concerned because more than one aggro deck is viable.
Hopefully they learned their lesson after banning Nacatl though, that when just one type of aggro deck is played it might be because its the only aggro deck that can deal with the other decks in the format.
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He is going to best friend for all things UB (and BUG) Eldrazi.
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>Well Gentleman Predictions:
>Merfolk (paper) up from 5% to 7%
>Grixis Twin (paper) becomes Grixis Control
>UR Twin (paper) becomes UWR Twin
>UWR (USA) Twin with Kiki and Resto
>UW Control sees more play.
>UWR (Jeskai, USA) sees more play
>Naya Zoo sees more play
>Abzan is the biggest loser of all the decks.
>Good Night Sweet Prince (Abzan)
thanks a lot, made this real quick:
any opinions on liliana's caress? i see a lot of budget lists running it but i don't know what would be cut for it
Nice meeting a fellow Utron player :)
If you fell like it, join our discussion at mtgsalvation in the well oiled machine thread dedicated to Utron
You're almost right. Splinter twin was designed to be a combo piece. It was released in the block just prior to Scars of Mirrodin. You know, the block Deceiver Exarch was printed in. They were fully aware of the interaction between the two.
liliana's caress is only good if you have it in your opening hand, it becomes useless in top deck mode.
Consider Waste Not in its place, which would give you more value if you have it early
You might reconsider if they weren't commonly white border.
UWr control is legit.
[Check] Resto your wall of omens in long grindy games
[Check] Resto your snap and counter / draw / remand
[Check] Bolt / Lightning Helix + Snap + Bolt / Lightning Helix is a real thing
[Check] Beats other control decks
Pilot heavy deck. Bad pilot equals bad losses.
That was the point. Every color gets to slam a 6/6 for 6 with added abilities and the ability to 2-1 your opponents removal.
>You should be happy they did not make roast >do 6 damage instead of 5.
And then after you discard down to 7 cards in hand you can elixir of immortality and make sure you play all the cards you want. The best part your deck becomes all action and no fluff (lands).
4 Shrieking Affliction
4 The Rack
4 Raven's Crime
4 Wrench Mind
2 Funeral Charm
2 Pack Rat
3 Victim of Night
2 Dakmor Salvage
3 mana is way too much
24 lands is too much
consider cutting a couple of the removal spells for more discard or 1 darkness
Ill buy all the chronicles. but i wont touch 8th and 9th
I think the black version is gonna be faster
If people wanna use white, theyre gonna have to cut lingering souls for eldrazi replacer so they can flicker thought-knot and wasteland strangler
Reminder that not even my RUG Loam meming could withstand these bans and I'm bailing out of the game save for a couple EDH decks and Miracles. Wizards are too erratic and contradictory. They ban a perfectly fine deck out of nowhere, then say things that make no sense about why they did it. Fuck this shit I'm putting more attention on Warmahordes. Maybe find a nice MMO to play.
i've been goldfishing and i'm 50/50 on necrogen, it seems real good with a solid opening hand, but it's otherwise dead weight, and i've definitely been feeling manaflooded - i'll give your list a try, thanks. i've been sitting on a darkness for ages trying to trade it, but i'll throw it in, too
I may even put a few into Death and Taxes. Vial on four feels REALLY bad, but the fact that we already run full sets of Ghost Quarter and a few other utility lands makes me feel better.
Painlands may even be a reasonable inclusion in that sort of build. Get BW for Sculler.
oh yeah, i just don't have the funds now and want to build it in the meantime and gradually pick them up (while waiting for reprints because hey I can dream)
I'm sitting on ~$300 on Pucatrade from flipping '94/'95 bulk, and I imagine I'll be sent Blackmails/Duresses/Funeral Charms well before IoK/TS/Lili
>it seems real good with a solid opening hand, but it's otherwise dead weight
That's because all you're doing is brewing yet another inconsistent combo deck. If you make the deck more consistent and/or faster than existing combo decks, then congratulations, all you've done is speed the format up without addressing the format's absolutely horrendous archetype imbalance.
Lilliana and thoughtsieze are either never getting reprinted or are going to be mythics in a MM
although I could possibly see sieze being a rare but their rare/mythic bumps are fucking random as hell at times.
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION YOU DELIGHTFUL PERSON
Playing a worse version of someone else's deck isn't really where you want to be. I legitimately think that BW Hatebears could be a real thing. I hereby name the deck "Death and Blaxes". Tidehollow Sculler was never a bad card, and Thrull Parasite is a criminally underrated card. He fucks with Tron's walkers and fiddles with your Vials while casually whittling down life totals. The life gain from him will help you out immensely in the coming metagame where Burn and Affinity are going to hurt you real bad real fast. Like god damn, it's a one drop with 2 useful abilities. The fuck more do you want? Hybrid mana cost, higher toughness, a 3rd ability, and fucking elf tribal?
>playtest Jeskai Ascendancy-Wish vs Tron and Affinity
>Out of 10 games, it wins 6x vs Tron with Side boarding, wins 4x vs Affinity with Side boarding
I'll try to bring it in FNM this week. This deck could really make a comeback
Is this better than Finks in Wilt-leaf Abzan? Does it enable them to push the tokens strat? Or is it just a bad intangible virtue?
I pulled one during pre-release and idk if i should sell it. A friend offered me $15 cash.
No, i don't see it gut on little kid abzan
>dies to bolt
>0/1 tokens why would you need that having access to lingering souls
>the only relevant choices is the -2 and we already run gavony township
Maybe sideboard win more shit
Wurmcoil Engine (6) sets them back
Karn (7) sets them back
Ugin (8) sets them back
(soon to be) Reality Smasher (5 + 1 Colorless) Would set them back.
Sometimes making them replay the O stone is enough time to kill them.
Curse of Knight (2BB) all creatures get -1/-1
+Drown in Sorrow (1BB) all creatures get -2/-2
+Languish (2BB) all creatures -4/-4
They are already reducing their creature stats based on heartless summon by -1/-1.
Maybe the solution? MAYBE?
Hey the two least exciting cards for my deck came in today
If you find a good mmo pls tell me
Been playing Path of Exile that's all right
Chapin style Grixis control with 2 Tasigur and 3 Gurmag Anglers is VERY legit.
Turn one fetchland, dark ritual for 3 and draw a card, turn two fetchland and Angler is very good against tron.
Now, the new, more controlish grixis with Jace, Vryn's prodigy and Pia and Kira nalaar is not fast enough,
But Chapin's grixis puts a fast clock and disruption.
Think of how difficult it is to land that pestermite splinter twin combo because pestermite dies to everything
The presence of gond combo is similar and even when you do get the combo off, the tokens don't have haste so unless that's also part of he combo, you're giving them another turn to untap andt find a supreme or anger of the gods
The problem with your Dark Ritual is that it only helps you to cast spells which are overcosted in the first place.
Now hitting THIS puppy with a Giant Growth. THAT is a Dark Ritual.
Do me a favor and split up this Gifts pile:
Pact of Negation
Delve makes anything it's attached to automatically undercosted as fuck if it only has a color weight of 1 or 2.
I miss playing Twin
They should at least unban Mind Sculptor soon so I can play a viable control list
>Pump it up a fuck ton
>Make a shit ton of mana
>Manamorphose for BB
>Play Vampire Hexmage
>Remove all the counters from Devoted Druid
>Make even MORE mana
>Tooth and Nail
Devoted Druid also gets mad props for 1) going infinite with Quillspike, and 2) going infinite with Melira, a card which hates on a deck which may very well become tier 1 soon.
>The problem with your Dark Ritual is that it only helps you to cast spells which are overcosted in the first place.
>Now hitting THIS puppy with a Giant Growth. THAT is a Dark Ritual.
playing a 4/5 or 5/5 for one mana is not overcosted.
I just saying that people understimate the grixis tempo variant with anglers and tasi. Turn 2 or 3 Tasigur or angler is not difficult and agains tron it puts them on a very fast clock that you can keep with kolaghans' command, land destruction, and counters.
Chapin's Grixis with Angler > (UWR and grixis without angler IMO)
I also tried replaying my old deck since the cruise/dig bannings and I can safely say this deck has a chance assuming this is the supposed from vs aggro meta were all speculating about
Prefer my lands to be white bordered, but that might just be the legacy player in me. Anyways white bordered lands allow you to fan in you hand and mite quickly find the card you're looking for.
"Setting them back" doesn't do anything when they just kill you through inevitability. Im beginning to think you don't actually understand how Tron works. You need to kill them, not set them back: Remand only helps if you can stop them from winning to win yourself. See >>44875132
Literally the day before the Twin ban I explained to a few friends why JtMS won't work in Modern.
Now that blue's effectively dead I actively think it's one of the only chances for control to survive.
>GRAFDIGGERS CAGE STOPS THIS
WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY STOP YOU CASTING FROM YOUR LIBRARY AT ALL
Luck of the Draw, fellow Redditor!
Sometimes you just Exile all your important Magic: The Gathering Cards and lose on the spot! Oh no!
spoils is amazing you cuc.k, it might be that you are making mistakes in other areas of play like cantrip sequencing. fucking yourself with spoils is ~7% with two lightning storms
>The Wurmcoils crawling up your ass
sounds hot tbqh fampai
Setting them back does wonders when you're aggro control. If you have the ability to keep pressure on your opponent with a fast clock while controlling the board, buying a turn with remand can make or break the game.
If I sideboard against tron I bring in 4 molten rain and counters. I try to play an early tasi/angler and land destruction does the rest.
I am not saying is easy, but is certainly easier than with other control decks.
I really don't think it would bring that much harm to modern by itself
It comes out on turn 4 which is wizards safe word
Every deck in the meta is so linear that barely any would care about him or interact with him besides maybe a stray bolt.
>tron would just assemble tron and hurr durr slam muh karn
>infect, burn, affinity would go face for big damage
>chord company decks would probably already try to combo at that point
Like fuck give control a decent win condition card. If not Mind Sculptor give SFM. Having pretty much 0 viable tier 1 or 2 control decks is pretty obnoxious
>exile half your deck
>barely combo off
For fuck's sakes I run 22 lands and only have 3 in play, my luck can't be that bad. Peer feels more stable tbqh senpai
Why is control bad?
Is it the lack of ponder and preordain?
Is it the lack of force of will or at least counterspell?
I think it would make more sense to unban a can trip than unban jtms
faeriesthough. Also, with a healthy amount of discard, mistbind cliques, and remands/whatever other counters I run, I don't usually have many problems unless I mulled too aggressively. faeriescan switch gears and put out a fast clock when it needs to. Having pic related online early helps too.
Control is bad because there is literally nothing a "true" control deck can do to win the game vs Tron, and the grave-dependant hybrids get fucked even harder.
Counterspell and cantrips could theoretically help, but the former already sees play in Spell Pierce and Negate, and the latter buffs Storm. Control is simply lacking a form of inevitability beyond Delving for midrange fattys and backing them up. They get absolutely crushed on the grind by Tron.
>Splinter Twin is banned
>All hail Lord Karn
>Why is the premier LD in Modern spiking?
I love mono U tron but I feel like a meta where one of its best matchups was just banned and its two worst matchups are surging in popularity isn't the time to be sleeving it up.
You go for Nauseam, and then the subsequent draws tell you whether you had a chance of winning or not. If both Naus are below Simian/Storm/etc, you weren't practically gonna win anyways.
It is your AN 5-7
Secondly, it can grab Angel's Grace if you have AN in hand
The only other cards you will name are Pact of Negation, mid combo to turn 1 mana into a counterspell and naming a card not in your deck if you have Lab Maniac in play to mill yourself. If you hit too many ssg or your lightning storm you lose, so always scry them to the bottom when possible.
I can't understand why Tron is allowed to exist. It's a control deck that gets to skip the early and midgame and go straight into dropping the game winning late game bombs. I feel as though T3 Karn/T4 Ugin does more damage to Modern than anything on the ban list barring the obvious exceptions like Skullclamp, Mental Misstep, and Ancestral Recall.
Alright the guy that play 8rack for a year is back holy shit. Ignore what everyone is telling you about waste not and lilianas caress is bad. Stick to
4 necrogen mists
4 black mail
4 wrench mind
4 The rack
4 shrieking affliction
4 Raven's Crime <- this card will tilt your opponents
2 removal spells of your choice
Hahaha retard hasn't even read the conversation. The message was for someone who is playing a budget version.
That isn't the deck I played. That's the budget version I played.
This is what I run now
Fair enough, I'm certainly inclined to go w/ what you're saying but I'll play around, thanks. How important are the Mutavaults as a backup wincon? I imagine the first upgrades should be IoKs and TS but wasn't sure how pivotal the manlands are
When I had the budget version I told myself I don't need the mutavaults. I was terribly wrong they are absolutely terrific. First upgrade I did was to buy my ensnaring bridges and pack rats (replacing smallpox and Dismember). I recommend looking Robert Lava on YouTube he created the deck and uploads frequently on the deck. He also tries brewing for it so I usually watch him to get ideas.
Ban Eye of Ugin, reprint Counterspell and Innocent Blood. Bam, Esper Control is now Tier 1.
Yeah no problem and my bad it's "Robert Leva" I would also consider reading the primer in mtg salvation. If you're ever interested in legacy you can also build mono black Pox.