Do girls and women add a positive experience to tabletop gaming or are they less involved and more of a nuisance and hindrance to the game. Either directly or because the other spergburgers can't cope with their shit when she is around.
>ITT we post positive/negative experiences with grill gamers
Our token group girl is one of the more involved players. Though she is very scatter-brained and often gets distracted. But then so does the rest of our group.
All in all I think she's fun to play with.
>Do girls and women add a positive experience to tabletop gaming or are they less involved and more of a nuisance and hindrance to the game
No more or less than any player I have had in my group. The only difference is that instead of powergaming powerfantasy idiots, they struggle with choices more, fearing making the "wrong" choice.
A girl is the best player at our wargaming circle ever since her bf stopped playing with us regularly. It's actually a bit humiliating to have her thrash us repeatedly, although that's more because she's the newest to the game than because of her gender.
Have two girls in a game I'm running. Brought them on for the sake of diversity and the fact that I was tired of all my hobbies seemingly being sausagefests. They've taken to the D20 life and there is no difference between 2guys 2girls or 4 guys. They're more or less equally prone to shenanigans and derailing your carefully tailored plots to the point where you just toss the plot in the paperbin and make shit up as they go along.
As for 'The other spergburgers' I don't know what kind of guys you've been playing with but I can't imagine anyone in my circle of friends sperging out just because a female is at the table.
Also, my first post on /tg/ hi guys.
You can't really generalize. I've had both in my group with other regular fuckers and I've had both types in my group with autismos. Generally if the guys are sperging out the girls also get uncomfortable and no one has any fucking fun. But if everyone is comfy it doesn't make a difference regarding gender.
actually addendum to this, we did have one guy sperging out over the girls. I kicked him out after he coped a feel on one of them and acted as if that was normal behavior. The other two guys (his friends) acted sour towards me for a while but they came around.
Me and a friend would act as mediators for group disputes, she especially had a somewhat tranquilizing effect on everyone. This was basically necessary because while everyone in our group at the time was on friendly terms, we disagreed vehemently on things pretty regularly.
Welcome to posting on /tg/ Anon, enjoy your stay.
All of my groups in the last eight years have involved women. Before that, it was a miserable experience of circlejerking, a total lack of attention, and sperging. Constant fucking sperging.
Mixed gender groups step their game up so as to not appear subhuman. If you're in a mixed gender group and someone is being a problem, kick them the fuck out. If it's four out of your five players, kick out the four retards, keep the good player, and form a new group.
My time is not democratic.
Best DM i've ever had is a woman. She's currently taking a break to think up a new campaign for our group.
Every male DM ive had was fucking terrible, and more often than not the worst players were guys. And I say this as a dude.
In my experience? It's no more positive or negative than aught else.
In one game, the female player in question was the DM's girlfriend. That went better than you would expect from hearing just that, and indeed I still talk gaming with them. Net positive because while she was new and sucked at the rules, probability analysis and so on, she was really good at keeping him on track. And making sure I had ingredients for cooking group dinners, but that's not really gaming-oriented.
In another, the female in question was the DM, and it went fine. She was pretty cool and open-minded and actually a really good DM. About average, maybe a bit above, with rules issues, excellent at creating settings and the creative bits. Also, she kept us all in line and managed to stop me and a buddy from turning into Team Jackass a couple of times.
Finally, a female player in a game I DM'd. The group makeup was zero 'spergburgers'. The other players were all cool guys I knew from work or class who got into tabletop because of western RPGs. She was a neutral to moderately positive influence, had a different, colder, more rationalistic viewpoint on things and ended up being the voice of reason a lot of the time.
All my experience with them seem to indicate they can add or detract as much as any other player can.
Are your sister and girlfriend the same person, or are they separate entities.
Male DMs/players: Magical realm shit, poor story telling, favoritism, nonsensical houserules, spergburgers, lolrandumb shit, blatant railroading. Basically every awful thing that /tg/ whines about has been a hallmark of male DMs and players for me.
My female DM ran a solid setting with interesting characters, good plot, and knew how to string us along while we thought we drove the story. Was the best campaign ive ever played in the decade and a half of playing RPGs.
Not more not less. I have 3 of them in my various gaming groups, one of them is a really good roleplayer and regularly paints/draw our characters, one of them is pretty quiet but does the job (even if sometimes a bit lolrandumb but nothing cringey), and the last one is pretty new but is a killer at the cruch even after 2 sessions. Good roleplayer too, even if she can write for shit compared to the other ones.
It depends on the person, not whether they are a boy or girl.
I have 2 girls in my gaming group and they are both great. One draws pictures of the entire party all the time and is a good role player.
I am DMing a game for all girls presently, but not really a campaign yet, just a one-shot.
I wouldn't say it's bad, really, it's just not the best game I've played. Like, they sorta roleplay? But not enough to engage me all that much, and they're not really too keen on problem-solving either. They just kind of stumble through a lot of things ad passively-aggressively complain.
The only time it feels like they're having fun is when they're just doing cutesy banter back and forth with eachother.
I dunno, wouldn't mind it if they just roleplayed actual characters.
In my experience, they're good of theyre your irl friends, and shitty if they're from the Internet, and that applies to men just as much. The only notable difference between female and male players in my experience is when another player brings his girlfriend who's "such a nerd omg" but isn't actually into tabletop games at all. In those cases she's usually obnoxious and dumb, or totally uninterested in the game itself.
>spergburgers can't cope with their shit when she is around.
i still have never met an autistic shitlord like /tg/ talks about. but apparently the LGS manager has worked on pruning the worst people from the store, its nice
>Do girls and women add a positive experience to tabletop gaming or are they less involved and more of a nuisance and hindrance to the game.
Depends, like always, upon the individual people involved and making broad generalizations just confuse the issue.
Do players add a positive experience to tabletop gaming or are they less involved and more of a nuisance and hindrance to the game. Either directly or because the other spergburgers can't cope with their shit when they are around.
>Do girls and women add a positive experience
If we're talking about anything that isn't "trying to ejaculate", the answer is a big fat no.
Woman have no place in any hobby because they don't understand what it's like to have true passion for something.
>Autists like this now think they're in good company, even if they've never browsed the board before.
In my experience, and this matches up with what I've seen described by others, women tend to be more invested in the story and character part of tabletop and less concerned with the actual crunch.
That doesn't really matter, though. Whether they're a positive experience, invested, or whatever is going to depend on the person. Just like it does for guys.
Similar story here, I've always been a huge fan of storytelling and narrative. As a teen I rp'd on forums a lot before going anywhere near tabletop settings.
My favourite story was a Scion (Whitewolf) game run by one of my best friends who so happens to be a gurl.
Lots of moral choices, division within the group, great roleplay scenario's and much more about the characters and their relationships with their parent Gods than about the story itself. Essentially the idea was, a Titan was bringing a child to Earth and through it, would bring Utopia to the World, only problem was, 90% of the humans on Earth would die as a result, for the sake of this Utopia. Our group was intially tasked with trying to prevent this but it soon stopped becoming Titan Vs Gods and Titans/Gods Vs Gods and children (the PC's) either followed or rebelled against their parents on both sides.
However that was my favourite story and she was a great GM, but she's tied for best GM with another friend of mine who created an epic fantasy piratey adventure where I played a half-elf Magus Pirate Prince. The character left his father's ship to make a name for himself without the aid of his notorious dad and his band of merry men. Through this adventure there were many things that happened, characters were important and their side stories were either integral or were more fun than the overarching plot. Consequences happened as a result of the actions we took and it was a nice change to have that instead of murderhobo's freely roam around and answer to no one. That was done by a male friend of mine.
Both awesome GM's, one female and one male, though my personal favourite goes to the girl purely for the Urban Fantasy setting with all the myths of the Gods, as I'm proper sucker for that kind of tale.
Never called it an RPG, literally said I "rp'd" on forums and that I was a fan of storytelling and narrative, which that provided.
However feel free to judge for no reason, as I imagine you'll just laugh at this post as well.
Some of the roleplay forum days had amazing stories from amazingly creative people and some tabletop roleplays I've been in have been absolutely dire. Though, the reverse is also true.
I'll take stories and tales wherever I can get them as it's what I enjoy.
I think this is where a lot of "Rpgers", draw their tales from.
>play a play by post free form
>other posters have avatar pics of a black dude, or a chick.
>" at my last game, there was a black guy and a female!!"
I didn't actually make it clear but the two examples I gave where from the group I play with face to face, I now realise that that's where the confusion may lie.
I was meaning I used to RP on forums because I enjoy narrative more than number crunching and it so happened that two of my favourite RPG tabletop experiences featured the narratives and stories that were GM'd by my friends.
Yep, on my forum there were actually two people who got banned. For cybering via forum posts, graphically... on a PG site.
Was all the more terrible because they were the posters who would only do one or two lines and even at that, they would have like ten typo's within them.
I have to say my experiences so far are mostly negative. Two in particular spring to mind.
The first was a simple case of a guy dragging his girlfriend along and her being completely clueless about what was going on.
She never did anything unless prompted, and clearly would rather not have been there, but was too timid to say anything to her boyfriend.
The second was, well, I'm not sure exactly what to call it. She definitely tried, and didn't do too badly at first. But she wasn't exactly the brightest, and, thanks to legit brain damage from an accident when she was a child, had severe problems with short-term memory. It didn't work out, but at least she put in the effort.
At first I was really relieved to hear all the positive experiences with female gamers.
But there's not a single example of the contrary and this thread has the same hive mind posts you would expect.
I just want to know I'm not alone in my hatred of an entire gender guys pls.
A buddy and his girlfriend are one of the pillars of our game night, and are mostly positive.
That said, I have never seen someone quite that salty while winning at Terra Mystica, although that may be just normal gamer salt.
There are two girls in the Iron Kingdoms game I play in. There used to be three but one chick moved to Arizona.
It was basically 3 girls, 4 guys. One girl was dating one of the players. One was single, the last was in some weird complicated relation situation that hurt my head every time it was brought up.
Basically to sum it up, the girl who was there with her boyfriend had to constantly have the rules explained to her and didn't seem to pick up the game well, though she could roleplay semi-decently. The girl in the complicated relationship was an amazing roleplayer, could grok the rules real well, but her character wasn't very optimized. The girl who was single and ended up moving away had the rules down, wasn't really invested in roleplaying much, and also didn't really seem interested in the game. Most of the rest of us theorized she was fucking the GM, but that was also because she kinda had a habit of coming onto the other dudes at the group who weren't in a relationship.
As for the dudes, the GM was pretty laid back, single, and possibly fucking that one girl on the side. The boyfriend was good at roleplay and great at crunch, but an abrasive twat who routinely pissed off nearly everyone else at the table, including his own girlfriend. I think I was the only one who never really got mad at him because I'm used to dealing with people like that. The other guy was a longtime buddy of mine who introduced me to the group, whom I didn't know roleplayed until he brought up the game one day while I was running Dark Heresy with some internet buddies. I found out he is great with crunch, completely bored by roleplay, and cannot roleplay as anyone but himself.
Like other people have said, gender doesn't really matter too much; you have great players and shit players in equal measure either way.
You know what makes good games? Good players and a good GM who gel together with how the players want to game and the GM wants to run. Gender is irrelevant beyond that.
This board is so fucking embarrassing sometimes, I swear to God...
Original poster here, honestly I'm not sure. Though i see what the "Get out of here while you still can" guy was going on about.
I didn't come here expecting a hugbug, however /tg/ is the board with the least circlejerk/shitposting I've seen so maybe it attracts the wrong crowd.
It takes a rare sort, I think. My sister was in my first game of 3.5 that I ran, and she was the best player there, but she is not a typical female at all. she's asexual and might now be a tranny. Next was a popular girl from my high school who wanted to play someone who was "super hot." so I helped her make a bard. She never actually made it to the game because she realized that it wouldn't be her thing and told me so.
Next campaign (which I'm still running now, its near the end) started with my girlfriend and soon after her sister/cousin (adoption, not incest). GF was horrible and could not roleplay her way out of a paper bag, later citing that roll20 didnt work for her because she couldn't stay invested in the game without physically being there. Her and her cousin/sister left the campaign by trying to kill the cleric for his masterwork mace and getting dogpiled by the more optomized warblade, crusader, and incarnate.
>My sister was in my first game of 3.5 that I ran, and she was the best player there, but she is not a typical female at all. she's asexual and might now be a tranny.
So basically the best woman is a FTM. That makes sense.
As usual, depends on the individual.
On a sidenote, grills mostly do Larp here (~60% of larp players, 40% of pen&paper players are girls, I would say)
>ITT we post positive/negative experiences with grill gamers
I think I had only one game where the gender of the players had a big effect on the game.
>Fantasy game where we're young students in the royal wizard academy (short campaign between two more serious ones)
>The only one doing teenage romance is me, the male player (with a noble npc; I have to think about my future)
>The three females are too busy running down a weed potion black market. And are getting very serious about this.
>Our achemy experiments ended with the mutation of 1/3 of the students. We manage to make all evidence point to our rivals in the school, to have them expelled.
>We didn't take into account the fact that the mages used the death penalty. 4 innocent students decapitated for forbidden experiments. Better them than us, anyways.
>Plot derailled because of greddy girls, but in the end we still managed to stop the bad guy (necromancer professor) with our army of tentacled junkies, getting rid of two birds in one stone.
>Good end, collateral damage was manageable, we pass our exams and go to second year.
Hi. Welcome on /tg/.
Don't mind the shitposters, you'll be like them in a few months.
We had an all-guy tabletop squad for years. One guy got a gf, and she's fine - likes to play orcs and smash shit, good at roleplaying, generally acts like one of the guys. Another guy got a gf, and she spends her time playing mobile games, instragram-ing pictures of her and her boyfriend, asking her boyfriend how to play her character, being randum, and sleeping on the couch.
Long story short, if a girl acts like a traditional girl I don't want her at the table.
a) there's no need for girl gamers to prove their worth in any way. i mean what the actual fuck. they have been around since as long as traditional gaming.
>spergburgers can't cope
most peope in gaming groups aren't unfunctional autists.
c) why would girls add anything to gaming. the people who are able to roleplay instead of trying to rollplay all the time should have the ability to act out situations/emotions normally associated with females.
wearing female clothes?
hitting on a guy?
posting on tumblr feminist blogs?
not appearing because you were out shopping?
sucking dick under the table?
playing a female?
talking about mensturation problems?
having fake boobs?
talking about how many children you want?
carrying your dice in a purse?
drinking starbucks all the time?
pretending to be a girl online?
talking about the latest celeb gossip?
caring more about your characters clothes and fashion than anything else?
what was it anon?
I wonder sometimes ... Do people really play in mostly guys-only groups ?
I mean, my high-school group was guys-only, but since then, I usually always had women in my groups or knew women who were playing RPGs.
Last summer I had my first experience of a girl being a bad roleplayer/rollplayer (getting drunk, doing shit, not being able to use her brain), but again, so did her boyfriend.
Judging by this thread alone, they meant you were acting like a whiny attention whore. You're currently pulling that whole "I'm upset and want to tell you that I'm upset, but if you inquire further I'll get angry and tell I don't wanna talk about it!" garbage most shitty bitches love to pull for attention from beta orbiters.
I guess it helps that the only female player I've played with is mute. I'm sure if she wasn't a voiceless internet friend then she'd be detailing for the other players.
Thinking about putting my gf into one of my games though, if her schedule matched our doable game times
Yes, you can, because I did it to my girlfriend, and I did it to my boy's girlfriend, because when you are at my table, you are one of my players only, and treated as such.
Stop being a pussy!
Not that anon, but read the posts.
Its like females are soooo alien, that they have no knowledge if what they are like. So, they base their "happenings", on what other anons write.
Tldr: because they are obviously bullshit copied from each other.
No, it's not, because if they are at your table, then they should be prepared to be treated equally to any other player present.
Beta faggots need not GM games if they don't have the guts to call out the people who need to be called out.
Then you warn them the first time, and if it keeps happening, you drop the hammer on them.
Using "it's someone's gf" as an excuse to allow them to get away with shit you wouldn't let your regulars do is faggot tier. I've had women in my group before, my group right now is very mixed, and everyone knows upfront I don't play favorites and everyone is held to the same standard I hold myself to.
My gf at the time got mad at me because I came down on her for painting her nails during game. My boy's gf got mad at me because I told her to put the fucking phone away. This other girl that one of the new guys brought was screaming over everyone, so I told her she needed to keep it down so people could be heard. The new guy got in my grill later, I told him no one is above, and if he doesn't like it, they can both go.
They did. And everyone else was happier for it.
Most of the chicks who tabletop are legbeards, cos let's face it, people dont get into tabletop gaming because they're lookers.
Which is fine, in that case they're generally treated no different to the dudes.
If "someone's girlfriend" is a shitty player and refuses to improve, no, I don't want to fucking play with them. If the gf is there, not playing, then I expect her to not interfere with the game she isn't playing, and if she does, she gets warned, then asked to leave.
Exactly what the fuck are you trying to say? That because I don't kiss ass, I can't play with females?
My group is half female (the group is made up of 2 long term couples, my fiance, and my brother). The women are some of the better role-players and come up with the most interesting characters (from a mechanical perspective).
>and come up with the most interesting characters (from a mechanical perspective).
>(from a mechanical perspective)
Roll-players, in other words.
Tell me some of the conceptually interesting characters the guys have come up with?
There are legitimate girls who are into tabletop shit and don't cause problems. They look like pic related, and there's barely any of them.
If the girl is the girlfriend of your regular, you and your whole party will be torn asunder.
I'm only 2 sessions in to our adventure with our new female player but she seems OK, playing a rogue with a few extra spells, might be a specialisation or a cross class.
She's not as tight knit as the rest of our group but she's fitting in just fine.
I really do not think so. We genned at level 8 and I'm not familiar enough with the rogue's career path to guess whether she multiclassed or whether it's a specialisation. Every character seems to get a '...but with magic' specialisation.
>Do girls and women add a positive experience to tabletop gaming
>are they less involved
>more of a nuisance and hindrance to the game
They're human fucking beings, you fucking idiotic pricks. Stop pretending having a cunt makes the a mythical fucking creature that means they can either do no wrong, or they're the scum of the universe.
Jesus fucking christ, stop giving those cunts special fucking treatment.