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ITT: Good women characters in their respective settings
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>Red Sonja
Archetypical. Fucked Conan but didn't get emotionally involved.
>Paksenarrion
A slightly later, slightly more genre savvy Red Sonja.
>Rico's love interest from Starship Troopers
I can't remember her name. I think it started with C. But she meaningfully interacts with the political philosophy of the book and discusses it with the MC. Dizzy in the film is good too.
>Vasquez
Baddest ass marine in the whole crew. No questions. Possibly manliest marine in the whole crew.
>Ripley
'Nuff said.
>Malta
From Robin Hobb's Liveship Traders series. Great character, strong characterisation. There is a meaningful character arc, she grows and changes, and she acts in a completely rational, though self interested, manner.
>Judge Anderson
While her depictions change with writers and artists, often she is damaged but competent, with the depth of trying to overcome her past trauma. Some of the comics really deal quite strongly with her character growth.

I've got more that I can talk about if you like.
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>>44863559

Elena and Linden Avery from the Covenant books.
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>>44863705
>Baddest ass marine in the whole crew. No questions.
>not sarge
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>>44863559
>>Ripley
The toaster from Alien 4 was fine too.
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>>44863559
>Princess Leia
Clever, dependable and savvy. She fights for those near and dear to her, and for the rights of everyone in the Galaxy.
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>>44863825
She's Jabba levels of ugly though
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>>44863775
>Sarge
The sergeant is never the baddest ass. He just needs to pretend to be so the captain will let him relay orders.
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>>44863838
And if anybody points out that physical attractiveness isn't required to make a female character "good", you can just tell them to get back to tumblr!
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Samus Aran pre-Other M.
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People hate her, but fuck it: Wonder Woman
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>>44864183
She's alright except for last couple years.
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>>44864183

She used to be a toned Amazon 11/10 dom qt, now she's a sickly-looking Jewess that couldn't grapple a kitten.

Hope she makes a return to form someday.
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>>44864108
Well, I could take neither her nor Luke seriously because Fisher and Hamill weren't just bad actors, they were also ugly.
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>>44863559
>captain of a World Eaters ship
>didn't have the nails in her head because
>defeats a larger fleet commanded by a goddamn primarch
>good

I expected that asking each author to write the bits about the factions they wrote for in the past leads to favoritism, but jesus fuck, there are standards.
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>>44864250
I'd imagine not having The Nails actually makes you better at strategy and stuff.
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>>44864237
>literally judging books by their covers
Be seeing you anon
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>>44863559
40k seems to do pretty alright for an all male setting supposedly.

I really liked Octavia, the navigator from the Night Lords series. It's not a STRONK WOMAN THAT DON'T NEED NO MAN but to be fair that sort of female characters is tiresome.
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>>44864273
Yeah, but not better than a primarch.
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>>44864305
Yeah, people who think a strong female character is one that acts the same as a stereotypical strong male character are undermining their own point.
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>>44863559
Keira knightly in pirates.
Did perfect.
Totally believable.
>be 5/10 at
>92 lbs
>rich and spoiled
>yet able to pick up a blade and outfight anyone

Females.
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>>44864237
How were they ugly, specifically? Average at the very worst.

Plus, yeah

>literally judging books by their covers
>physical attractiveness isn't required to make a female character "good"

This is true.
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>>44864228
I'm kind of ok with new Wondie
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>>44864456
Kill yourself
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>>44864183
>Wonder Woman
There are dozens of variation of her though.
I'll agree that Azzarello's WW was good but Johns', the Finchs', and Waid's versions were all really bad.
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>>44864475
Is Waid's version of anything good?
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Well Hunger Games is a little overhyped, but she deserves a mention.
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>>44863559
Who cares if a character is a woman or not so long as they're good? Aren't you being a little sexist right now?
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>>44864493
His Superman is kind of okay?
And his Flash was supposedly pretty good.
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>>44863838
>>44864237
>I'm so brainwashed by Hollywood I don't know what normal human beings are supposed to look like any more
honestly, this is yet another reason I prefer the original star wars trilogy - the people actually looked like normal people. Take a look at the X-wing pilots in the Death Star battle, for example. I'm not just talking about Porkins - they looked like they didn't even bother going through an acting agency, they just pulled people straight off the street. They actually looked like a rag-tag band of ordinary people who'd taken up arms against the Empire, rather than male models looking to make some side-cash in between swimwear shoots.
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>>44863559
Every female character in Xenoblade Chronicles X so far has been pretty good.

Raine, Sheena, Presea and Colette in Tales of Symphonia.

Bridget, Gwendolyn and Folly in the Aeronaut's Windlass.

M in James Bond.

Zelda in Skyward Sword had an interesting personality I thought.
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>>44863705
Paksenarrion is one of my favorite female characters ever. I adore her. I wish she were discussed more on /tg/.

She's not a Red Sonja type, though. She's very much a professional soldier and Paladin archetype.
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>>44863559

I liked most of the Sisters in Chronicles of Amber, Fiona particularly. Shame the one with the most screen time was Flora, though she was lulzly.
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>>44863744


Rapist detected.
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>>44864059
pretty sure he was the ranking officer on the ship, actually

Anyways Al Matthews is a badass.
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Counts this?
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>>44864466
No u
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this bitch
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does this count
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>>44864250
>>didn't have the nails in her head because
Because she wasn't a Marine and wasn't a frontline combatant? They make you deadlier in close range combat, they'd be actively counterproductive in a ship captain.
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>>44865127
>No characterization
>Highly sexualized in a tumblr fashion ("WOMYN RAEP MAN IS STRONK!")
>Phallic imagery everywhere on her
>Movie's antagonist
>defeated by a more "conventionally feminine" female
>Comes from a society where the primary goal of the woman is to shit out babies and sit in a nest for most of her life

Sorry, the opportunity was too funny to pass up.
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>>44864609
my bad it's been years since I read those books.
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>>44865224
nvm, you said "women", not general "female"

My mistake.
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>>44864502
Angsty little slut as a hero is way overdone, and boring.
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>>44864662
Great series.

Well, the second series with corwin son sorta sucked.
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Tess, Ellie and Riley in the last of us
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>>44863559
Bella on twilight.

A hero we can all appreciate.
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>>44865298
I really enjoyed seeing the day-to-day use of magic. I just felt it ended like one book too early. It didn't have the same sort of build and climax and resolution that the Corwin books had.
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>>44864421
It's my understanding that at points in history it was fashionable for noblewomen to take sword fighting classes for health and lols. She also had a lady boner for Will, and his main interest was making swords, so there could've been a personal reason to bully a guard into teaching her some.
But that's all just making excuses for how she was able to fight trained military men (which most pirates were)

Whatsherface from Steins;Gate. I'm ashamed I forgot her name since I developed a crush on her for a bit.
Makise.
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>>44865163
Angua is based.
;_;
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>>44865298
>>44865407

Yeah, the second series isn't so much bad as... disappointing. Lots of build up for basically no payoff. I guess it's supposed to be the "Chaos" series to contrast the "Order" first series.
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>>44865439
>>44865407
I just couldn't like the son as well as I liked corwin. Kept wanting corwin found or to appear and start some ass kicking. I was disappointed.

There is still the pattern corwin made, that leads somewhere..I'd buy a new book if it came out.
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>>44865513

The author is long dead anon.
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>>44865366
The female characters were all over the place. Some of them were pretty strong like Cass and the mute in Dead Money had pretty good characterisation, though told rather than shown. And there are others which, like the First Recon soldier whose character can be reduced to a one note cliche. And Veronica, who I wish was more fleshed out with like the responsibility of being able to leave the base but the conflict of not believing in the Brotherhood's actions as such, but instead was just 'I want a dress' and 'I'm a lesbian.' I guess that's a problem with the amount of content that you have to deal with.
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>>44863559
I don't know about the books, but having just re-watched the first three Hunger Games films last week I have to say that I quite like Katniss, in spite of myself.
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>>44865383
A young girl. Courageous. Caring. Honest. Loyal. Not material at all.

She really is a hero for today.
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>>44865539
I'm aware.

I'd still like to see a continuation.

:(
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>>44865354
Ellie is 14 at her oldest. Not really old enough to be considered a woman, IMO.

Somehow doesn't stop all the SFM porn of her.
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>>44865551
No anon.

There is nothing likable about the bitch.
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>>44863559
What about male characters, OP? Oh wait, you don't give a single shit about them. Fuck off. Sara Gizka beste and cuteste
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>>44865163

Also from discworld, Susan and Weatherwax.

Also, though technically a girl, I recently read Wee Free Men to my sister and holy shit, Tiffany Aching is fucking stone cold for a nine year old. Hard as fucking ice.
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>>44863705
>meaningfully interacts
She wasn't even a thing past him getting recruited in the book and in the movie nobody even talks about the philosophy Heinlein portrayed in the novel
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>>44865541
Veronica was voiced by Felicia Day, we're lucky the character didn't turn out worse.
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>>44865264
Way to judge a post by it's text
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>>44865687
I don't consider artists for their politics. If I did that then I wouldn't enjoy half the good stuff that I do. Like Marinetti, a truly abhorrent but entertaining psychotic, or Polanski, who escaped a trial for raping a 13 year old, or Will Smith for being a Scientologist.. For the sake of future arguments, I am using 'artist' in this context to include voice actors.
Veronica could have been worse though.
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>>44865594
Correction, she is an intentionally unlikable bitch, she often misunderstands a lot of basic subtext and subtlety due to her adolescent and inexperienced nature, and this is shown when everything is from her perspective and her commentary overlays the actual situation, that's why the books are in a better medium than the movie
Although if your draw to a work is that your protagonist "was supposed to be horrible" you may want to take a different path in life
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>>44865594
what have you got against her?
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>>44865618
That's because as good as Terry Pratchett was, almost all his 'strong women' have the same personality.
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>>44864352
Not every primarch was an expert strategist like Lion, Horus, Guilliman.
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>>44865541
>whose character can be reduced to a one note cliche
Extreme promiscuity as a reaction to PTSD is a cliche?
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>>44865879
I don't think so. Angua was very different from Susan, and neither of them were anything like Granny Weatherwax. For that matter, Granny Weatherwax isn't like Nanny Ogg (who is, in her own way, a strong female character).
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>>44865990
And neither Granny or Nanny are like Magrat - who's pretty strong in her own right.
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>>44865541
FNV has so many good female characters and good characters just in general, but it's kinda hard to have a game with as many characters and such a short development time as NV and not have some mediocre/boring ones,
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>>44865930
She might have just been extremely promiscuous to start with and all the rape did was turn her into a lesbian. A common aspect of rape related PTSD is a complete turn off of the offending sex. Might not be common in games or stories but its common IRL.
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>>44866116
exactly. Even comparatively minor female characters like Sacharissa Cripslock and Adora Belle Dearheart get distinct personalities.
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>>44866116
>>44865990
>>44865879
He definitely got better at writing women later. His first few books have pretty weak female characters. Of them only Carpet People has more than a couple of female characters and that book was written for children and isn't really full of strong characters in the first place.
Must have taken him til at least Wyrd Sisters to have good women characters. Equal Rites doesn't count because he was still feeling out his characterisation.
>>44865930
Isn't it?
>>44866197
For sure. I love the game to a fault, which is why perhaps I treat it harshly. The flaws stand out all the more sharply.
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>>44866253
His early books are more about setting development than character development anyway. And Wyrd sisters was only book six out of ~40
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>>44865846
Whiney.
Angsty.
Yet everyone loves her.
She's a Marysue. On every level.
Whats to like?
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>>44866232
wouldn't you just turn to asexuality if you were a heterosexual person afflicted by that aspect of PTSD? because you don't just "turn gay" except in some cases of severe brain damage resetting your personality. you have to at least by closeted bi for something similar to what you describe to happen imo
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>>44864250
she also didn't win.
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>>44863559

> Akemi Homura.

Made a selfless wish to save her best friend from a cruel death, and refused to back down from that wish no matter how many times she watched that friend die, each timeline ending up worse than the last one.

By the end of the show, even she doesn't know how many times she has watched the world end.

> Saber

Not the most accurate depiction of Arthurian mythology, but a damn good character in her own right. Willing to undo every good thing she ever did in order to make way for someone even better to fill her place in history, for the good of her people. Selfless to the point of inhumanity.
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>>44865888
m8, primarchs are supposed to be the best at this shit cuz if they aren't, your implying the geneseed doesn't work and that's non fucking canon
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>>44866463
HOMU A SHIT
A
SHIT

a shit
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>>44866320
>Whiney.
I don't know. I think I'd complain a lot too if people kept trying to kill me.

Katniss has her skill-set (archery) and she sticks within it. She still needs other people and doesn't magically develop new abilities just because its convenient, unlike some female movie characters (*cough* Rey). For example, at the end of catching fire (spoilers if you haven't seen it) she doesn't figure the way out of the arena by herself. If it had been Star Wars the Force Awakens Rey would have come up with the plan to escape and executed it all on her own. Katniss actually uses her black dude. .

Maybe the romance is a little bit ego stroking - do you ever notice how male protagonists are faced with the challenge of getting the girl they like to notice them, but the problem for female protagonists is simply choosing which of the incredibly hot guys trying to get with her that she wants to end up with? But hey, this is teen fiction, and the Hunger Games is far from the worst offender (see: Twilight).

I actually felt Jennifer Lawrence did a pretty good job with angst. She actually made katniss seem traumatised rather than needy, which she should be given what she's been through.
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>>44863559
Still love that one.
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>>44866528
She volunteers to enter the kill or be killed match....the whines about it.

And ya, the romance drama is just stupid. Maybe guys want to fuck some bitchy chick that looks like j-law. I won't argue that.. But for some magical reason, all the studs love her..and want to be with only her.
Its sickening.
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>>44866716
the YA romance drama makes a bit more sense in the books' context. look at book Katniss: a half deaf (and later traumatized to the point of not being able to function properly) plain brown girl from the bottom of society, without much of an education, who's pushed into the spotlight. it's not hard to guess why she gets some spots of hope, is it? you don't want the girls who read your books to call you an edgy tryhard. movie Katniss is bullshit and I hate her, we on the same page there
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>>44864609
Oh god I forgot about that series till now thanks anon, I have to go find my old book collection now.
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>>44863559
>Monza Murcatto from Best Served Cold
A good character but a terrible person, though that's par for the course with Abercrombie.
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>>44864681

huh?
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>>44863559
>inb4 weeb shit
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>>44866498
came here to post this, glad there are other sensible human beings.

>>44866463
I will give you Arturia from Fate Zero though, shame that Fate Zero isnt canon and blushing schoolgirl Saber who gets dicked down by shirou in F:S/N is.
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>>44863559
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>>44865513
Well there was a spin-off series written by another author about that however it's a lot of flack especially from other authors as the original author specifically requested that other authors leave his work alone before he died
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>>44864305
>I really liked Octavia, the navigator from the Night Lords series.

Same. If she and Septimus had their own book they'd probably be big epic heroes, but instead they were just sort of the background commentary for these asshole Chaos dudes that abducted them.

Them deliberately creating incredibly awkward tension just to get the sorcerer guy to leave the room, and then later Octavia attempting to console Talos after his buddy died, were priceless moments.
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>>44867342
The last anime I watched was One-Punch Man, and before that, Fullmetal Alchemist. So not a huge fan of the genre much anymore. But I'd never in a lifetime argue Lady Eboshi wasn't a goddamn cold-iron slinging mafioso.
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>>44865383
Underrated post.

A female worth respect.
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>>44868704
Which fullmetal?
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>>44867342
both of them.

Eboshi was my first waifu...
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>>44868813
>waifu
>kill yourself faggot
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Amberley Vail.
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>>44868670
Speaking of chicks who dealt with Night Lords, Mita Ashyn from Lord of the Night.
Strong-willed, determined, fallible, and not afraid to go against a superior who was seemingly either incompetent or insane.
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Lady from Glen Cook's The Black Company series is best girl
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Question: How would you go about making a story with a primarily female cast?

I'm thinking, just never bring that up and let characters be characters regardless of their gender, but concerned that tipping the ratio so far towards women will feel like 1. trying too hard or 2. too anime.
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>>44868831
>misusing green text
>the year of our lord 2016
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>>44868848
Speaking of Mr Cook, how about the dread empire's princess mist?
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I have a special place in my heart for mad scientists, especially cute ones!
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>>44869007
Don't use the David Eddings approach and make every female a "loved" cunt.
I hate that shit.
Writer makes a total cunt character, and everyone they fuck over just loves them anyway.
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>>44869109
I accidentally read A Fortress in Shadow first and got so confused as to what order I never got around to reading A Cruel Wind or the rest of the series.

I should try re-reading the series. Fortress was really fuckin good
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>>44869007
Write them as men, then change them to women when you're done.
It won't feel forced if your writing is good enough anyway. Just remember that characters have flaws, and make everyone respond realistically to those flaws, and you'll be fine
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>>44869164
Reap the east wind..was great.

We see how the princess is devious in layers.
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>>44869179
That, would eliminate a lot of this>>44869141
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No one mentions anyone from GoT's.

Love you guys!
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>>44869007
Just make whatever character you want with a sensible design, and flick the switch to male or female however the hell you feel like. Men are allowed to act 'feminine', women are allowed to act 'masculine'.

I've seen plenty of games run by men and women alike I've played with where the cast leaned either way just by whatever chance or reason or mood and it's worked fine and been believable. Good fiction writing it about PERSONALITY, not what bits they got.
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>>44869254
Faggot detected
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>>44869141
I hate how Robert Jordan did this as well.
Like, it's fine to use duality and disparity as recurring themes for your story, and saying men and women are different in support of those themes, but not when every single woman has nearly identical personalities, and ESPECIALLY not when that personality is "sour and condescending".

I can almost give Eddings a pass because everything he wrote was incredibly tongue-in-cheek, but only almost.
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>>44869273
Ya, the females were all cookie- cutter.

1) attractive
2) total bitch
3) universally adored and loved
4) not a single good quality to them
5) bossy, with a superior attitude
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>>44864237
YOUR SOUL IS UGLY
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>>44869334
I'm not sure why it's so hard. I've had majority-female casts before and I just think of all the women I've known in life, pretty, average, ugly, young, old, whatever, and draw inspiration. Same with the men. Same with all my stories. It makes writing so much more fun that way, especially when someone I've been writing for a while finally finds their own voice.
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>>44863559
Eilonwy, all day, erry day, in The Chronicles of Prydain.
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>>44869493
Oh shit I remember her. Holy shit I read those a long while back. She was pretty on point from what I can hazily recall.
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>>44869523
Greatest books ever. She was funny, capable, and an equal to the party. She and Taran took boy and girl jabs at each other, but ir was always in good fun.

"Taran of Caer Dallben, I'm not speaking to you!"
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>>44869381
I think, they seriously think it makes them special..
Really, I have no idea. But I hate it.
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>>44869273
Eddings wrote that his favorite character was Ce'nedra.
He said " yes she was horrible, but didn't you love her?".

That's just fucking insane.
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>>44869577
I just can't fathom writing a cast where all women/men/etc are really good looking and unpleasant. It just makes it feel like some weirdly buried fantasy the author has. It'd also be exhausting to write 10 variations of the same base character concept.

Like in my games, I try to make especially good looking people somewhat rare, and just have an even spread of all kinds of appearances since that makes characters way easier to remember as well, and adds some characterization when subtle hints are made regarding how people treat one another.

Also a focus on colors, a little bit of personality in their fashion or described in the expression, maybe qualifiers like "sleep-deprived eyes but looked like they really took good care of themselves" to mix and match qualifiers to let the reader sort of make their own impression without pining it down hard and specific as "ROCK HARD ABS / TITS DOWN TO CAROLINA" or whatever unless that's meant to be some explicitly mentioned thing.

Personality flaws are a whole other subject.
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>>44869703
>TITS DOWN TO CAROLINA
I live in South Carolina

Is this an expression up north?
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>>44869752
As if s.c., is 'down south'.
Everything north of Florida line, is up north bro.
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>>44869752
No. I just made it up on the spot, because I thought "well the fixation on tits" and then "cleavage" and then "what's far down that's snappy and makes me think of some southern belle model with giant breasts" instantly "CAROLINA"
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>>44863559
Sorcha, Denny and Victoria are all competent characters in warmahordes,most of the time kicking a lot of ass. The character arcs are a little underdeveloped but its a miniature game.
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>>44869800
I'm stealing it

>>44869752
>Florida
>Southern

Florida's an honorary yankee state
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>>44869886
>Denny and Victoria
>Competent
Pick one, anon.
Fuck's sake, Taryn is more competent than both of them combined, and she gets caught up in Rutger's stupid shit.
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>>44869614
I didn't really hate Ce'Nedra, at least not upfront. She established her role as a bitchy princess and it was like, okay, that's who she is, and later she got a cool moment when she basically bought her dad's entire army out from under him. That whole scenario was funny, and it was in-character.

But then in the next series she does precisely nothing to contribute to the story except be vaguely tragic. Obviously Garion was hurting too, since it was their own kid they were trying to get back, but they both just fell headfirst into the trap of "men are stoic, women are weepy", rather than make them both equal in the fight.

Eddings could take some cliches and make them fun, but when he got it wrong, he got it REALLY wrong.

>>44869334
WoT Talk: See, Nynaeve was actually the best character.

She was an awful jerk to everyone, but so were the rest of the women in the series. The thing with Nynaeve was, they would actually call her on it. This would case her to react, and then others react to her again, and over and over, and boom, there ya go, actual character dynamics. Fun was had.

But every other female character was just as awful and they all just got away with it, making them all enormously frustrating to read.
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>>44864183
Mah nigga. Bruce Timm's DCAU and the animated version of DC New Frontier with Lucy Lawless voicing her FTW.
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>>44864606
I really need a fuckin' Wii so that I can play Xenoblade. I loved Xenosaga even though it got slammed. Xenoblade looks to be exponentially better.
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>>44864183
>>44869983
DCAU Hawk Girl was pretty great as well.

Upfront, it was refreshing seeing a lady playing the "fuck it let's just smash everything" team member, and then later, she got lots of low-key, somewhat tragic but satisfying character moments. I liked the one about her dealing with Solomon Grundy.
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>>44868704
I was meh on Mononoke. Ashitaka was my nigga, but Lady Eboshi was fucking amazing. She had a stone cold heart, and balls of steel
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>>44869752
>>44869800
>>44869924

we need to meme this.

when we make a big-tittied gal character, what do we name her?

CAROLINA!!!!!!!!!
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>>44870025
Yeah, the Ixultu arc was pretty awesome. I wasn't a Hawk Girl fan at first, but I grew to love the character. She and John Stewart played well off each other, and she had good moments with Diana as well.

However, I'm a fan of almost everything DCAU pumps out.
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>>44870067
No, please, that's really fine, don't. Try to come up with snappy phrases on your own. It helps make you a better writer.
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>>44863559
President Laura Roslin from Battlestar Galactica. She was strong enough to go toe-to-toe with Bill Adama.
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>>44869995
I haven't got a Wii U yet so I can't speak for Xenoblade X, but Xenoblade here had a couple of other great female characters: Fiora and Melia.

On the surface they totally played up to stereotypes, Fiora being the spunky action girl and Melia being the pretty princess, but both characters followed through with their storylines and kind of proved that it's OKAY to be girly-girls, you don't need to act like a dude to be awesome.

Also, for what it's worth: the Xeno games are some of the few things that actually got romance RIGHT. Fei and Elly, and Shulk and Fiora were incredibly sweet and heartwarming.

Hell, you could possibly even make a similar case for Shion and Allen. Or possibly Shion and KOS-MOS. But it falls flat because Shion was kind of an unlikable shithead.

But as to the actual thread subject: Pic also related.
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>>44863838
Now, post-drugs and depression? Yeah. Back then? You're out of your fucking mind.
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>>44863838
>>44870138
Gotta just say, fuck y'all. Carrie Fisher doesn't need to be hot, and Princess Leia kicks all kinds of ass. Absolutely deserves the mention here.
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>>44863559
Strong, genre-savvy characters? Ryan North's and Erica Henderson's Squirrel Girl in "The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl." She's everything a heroine should be, and a sack of nuts: funny, brave, caring, and she never gives up.

I'm a DC fanboy, but this is the only comic book series I'm buying regularly.
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>>44870127
Shion is shit. The better female castmembers were all robots, like KOS-MOS and MOMO.
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>>44870197
Nice meme
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>>44870197
you got me to reply.
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>>44870181
Agreed.
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The Duchess.
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>>44870748
Okay, source? Google and iqdb give me nothing.
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>>44870784
Embric of Wulfhammer Castle, an RPG maker "game" about a duchess being sent far from her homeland as a quest reward for the hero Embric, basically.
It's kind of like a visual novel with RPG elements and actual RPG combat near the end. The opening credits give special thanks to /u/, because the game is about 80% gay, and /tg/, because it uses D&D cosmology and terminology.
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>>44864250
>>defeats a larger fleet commanded by a goddamn primarch

Space combat is a RADICALLY different animal requiring an extremely different form of strategy, tactics, and problem solving. Primarchs are hyper-intelligent compared to humans, but that doesn't mean a regular human can't beat them in a game of strategy when the human is one of the best there is and is in her element while the Primarch is unfamiliar with the nuances of how the battle is even fought in the first place.
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>>44868845
mita was great. Lord of the Night is still one of my favorite 40k books.
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>>44870083
>>44870025
Going to have to agree that I liked Hawkgirl in the DCAU. Especially after she repaired her relationship with Wondie.

However I can't stand John Stewart and how he fits in with her story. He is the shittiest founding member of the league imo.
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>>44870882
I think I remember the hubub when it came out. Vaguely.
Thanks for helping me remember.
>>44870933
Same here, man. Even after I've gotten out of the hobby itself, I still enjoy the hell out of that book.
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>>44869924
No, outside Orlando, Miami, and most other metro areas, Florida is Dixie on crystal meth. Literally.
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>>44866710
Your filename implies that you have 1441519840454 other pictures of Lotara, which if true I find hilarious and demand you share.
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>>44865426
>Kurisu from stein's gate.
My melanin-enriched brother
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>>44868813
>Not Mononoke

Do you even want to fall in love with a wolf girl nigger?
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>>44863559
Agatha Christie was pretty good.
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>>44865832
She's a plot armored autistic cunt. Don't soften the blow.
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>>44874243
Wasn't the second half of the final book basically Katniss fucking up constantly though? IIRC all she 'achieved' when she took command was killing half of her squad, killing some random civvie because and advancing so fucking slowly on their little assassination mission that the main advance caught up to them when they reached Snow's mansion.

Also I like the way that the film managed to make the rebels look worse than the Capital by removing the blender-street and having the rebels open fire on a mass of unarmed refugees because Peacekeepers were directing them towards the mansion.
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>>44863559
>this fucking terrible character
>good

Surely you just. She was the only thing fucking wrong with Betrayer.
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>>44864273
>>44865237
>>44866451
>>44870925

betafags desperately white knighting a shit a character

how's that working out for you guys?
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It's been so long that I honestly forget if that guy who would show up in every thread like this and insist that there had literally never been a well written female lead in the history of fiction was from here or /co/ but regardless those of you who know who I'm talking about must understand how relieving it is to see this thread and not see his posts
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>>44875850
>just
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>>44866710
The comic should have ended wthout the last panel
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>>44869995
Huh... I had no idea Xenosaga was part of the same series. I'll have to check it out.


Xenoblades Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles X are both great.
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>>44864502
Effie is probably the best part of the movies, and she only got better as they went on.
The moment that sold me was when she had to call up Peeta and Katniss for the second time, and it was clear that even she, who had drunk the Capital's kool-aid to the dregs, knew this was bullshit.
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>>44864059
As someone whose been in the military, fuck you. Sergeants are based.
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>>44865551
Joanna is the superior Hunger Games girl. Her portion of the pre-QQ interviews was great
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>>44866463

I have to admit, I am impressed that Homu was so dedicated to tapping dat ass that it caused a breakdown in the nature of space and time.

She is so gay it broke the universe. Props.
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>>44870044

I remember first watching it and wanting Eboshi to win, fuck this hippy dippy nature loving bullshit.
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>>44877114
The sad thing about that entire series, is that there isn't a single person involved, that has any redeemable qualities.
They're all evil to semi-evil.
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>>44869246

We were all tempted, but we held our tongues. I am impressed.
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>>44869246
Becone none of the women of GoT are good enough to be mentioned, in my opinion.
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>>44877227
Agreed.

Still though, I'm sorta pleasantly surprised that there wasn't a bunch of posts about them.
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>>44865552
Wtf?

Troll much?
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>>44869007
Just have it make sense that they're mostly women, within the context of what the story is about.
For example, you could easily film a remake of Twelve Angry Men with rule63'd cast. There's been all-female juries before in real life, so it wouldn't be weird for there to be one in this movie.
Mean Girls is about a sweet innocent girl getting caught up in the kind of catty high school backstabbing drama that high school girls are infamous for. It makes sense that the only men in the movie are either love interests (Aaron), treated as "one of the girls" (Damien) or explicitly outside of and not involved with the drama itself (Caty's father, the principal, the Mathletes, etc).
In the same way, you couldn't film Fury with an all-female tank crew (because it's supposed to be historical and that shit wouldn't be accurate). Remember the Titans is about a high school football team, so it makes sense that women would be far less involved in the story than the men would be.
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>>44877285
It's called a joke. A really obvious one.
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>>44877207
Is that a bad thing?


Every party member (and basically every character) in Tales of the Abyss was a self-righteous prick, but it still had a good story with that as part of it.
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>>44863705
Whoa. Paksenarrion mentioned in the first reply.

>>44864609
>I adore her. I wish she were discussed more on /tg/.
Me too, kind of. I really enjoyed the first trilogy and the books about Gird as a kid, so I bought the entire five-book follow-up series on faith. Got through about one and a half, and I just can't continue. My god, it's so fucking terrible.
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>>44877375
Come on, the first Paksenarrion book was/is great. It went downhill after that, however, when the author made a low-magic setting into a high-magic setting.
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>>44864591
Remember the Disney rule: Ugly people can't be the good guys.
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>>44863559
Shira Calpurnia, W40k.
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>>44877227
Nah ygrittes a straight up baller
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>>44870044
I don't think her heart was necessarily cold, just practical enough to know that the only way she was going to keep Iron Town alive was with violence.
>>44877201
>man and industry vs. nature
That's how I interpreted the film when I first saw it, too. After watching it a few times, I came away with a different message: Ashitaka's goal wasn't to stop Lady Eboshi, but to bring an end to the cycle of violence that was gaining speed among both Iron Town and the spirits of the forest.
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>>44877483
No, I enjoyed everything up until the new quintology came around.
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>>44877375
>>44877829
In fact, I thought the first book was the weakest.
>Female MC, so obligatory rape story
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>>44863559
Yayoi is a consumate profesional that does her job and occasionaly puts a hand on people's shoulders when they worry about death to much.
She also the best Lesbian character in all of creation as her sexuality doesn't influence anything other than whom she sleeps/falls in love with.
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>>44869246
They're not got women characters. Brienne is my Waifu though.
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Rukia Kuchiki feels like a real person. She has her quirks like her obsession with rabbits and badly-drawn diagrams, and her antagonistic relationship with Ichigo especially early on does seem like Kubo is trying too hard - the only other person she acts like that with is Renji, but that was literally a century ago.
But she also has some very real, very personal weaknesses. Her own sense of guilt basically paralyzed her in the SS arc, and it almost got her killed in Hueco Mundo. Her blind acceptance of the SS' authority and her brother's wishes to keep her from suffering the same fate as his wife kept her out of a seated position despite her competency. Once Byakuya decides to let go, she jumps from basically being one of the rank-and-file to being second-in-command of her division.
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>>44869273

>braid tugging intensifies
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>>44877513
except, you know, the entire move about an ugly person realy being a good guy.
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>>44879630
Well yeah, you just can't let them get the girl too
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>>44879630

>Cucksimodo
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>>44868670
I like how she constantly ignored the Exalted and punked him in front of the other NLs showing everyone how utterly incompetent he was.I half expected her to give First Claw a speech about how they were such fucking losers that their Captain got possessed by literally the biggest pussy in the entire warp, their Khorne Bezerker is actually a pretty sad guy and their Chaos Sorcerer got bullied by mortals.

Seriously, least intimidating possessed marine ever: "OBEY ME OR I SHALL SHALL ONCE AGAIN FOR THE THIRD TIME MUMBLE HOLLOW THREATS TO MYSELF THEN MOPE FOR A WHILE"

[mumbles and mopes internally]

Also what kind of Traitor Marine gets saved by his slaves because they pity him? Dude your slaves are so worried that they are staging an intervention, get your shit together.
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>>44877851

I liked that rape wasn't treated as any worse than all the other myriad tortures she was subjected to.
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>>44863559
Chang Ge. Sly, talented, capable, charming, yet still flawed and thus still likeable.
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>>44879942

Rape is really not that bad, no worse than shoplifting really.

Most women are just fucking crybabies
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>>44865580
SFM?
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>>44879873
>Also what kind of Traitor Marine gets saved by his slaves because they pity him? Dude your slaves are so worried that they are staging an intervention, get your shit together.

Holy shit, why does this sound sorta cute in a Saturday cartoon way?
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>Good women characters
>people talking about irrelevant nonsense instead of how good the waifus are
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>>44879996
No shit.
50% of people involved in a rape, enjoy it. ( even higher of a percentage in cases of gang rape)

Stats don't lie.
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>>44880338

My waifu is kawaii uguu~ I have never had a woman even look at me but who cares 3dpd 2d a best I want to fuck snek best girl is qt3.14 I would lick her butthole oh god I am so alone
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>>44879996
>>44880376

Well I mean, yeah, it's bad, just like assault is bad, but I get your points.
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>>44877705

Oh, yes, I understand that now. I just found it funny that when I was younger that was my reaction.

"Here's how you kill a god..."
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>>44880391
Tumblr pls
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>>44867486
>shame that Fate Zero isnt canon
But it is, though.
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>>44880094
Source Film Maker. People took Valve's movie-maker and use it to make porn loops and shit. It exists in abundance on tumblr.
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>>44869246

Closest GoT ever gets to a good woman character is Asha and she's only mostly in Book 4 and does jack all take some boat trips.

Similarly, some of the Dorne women characters look promising, but get to do nothing.
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>>44870197
someone post the fugly faces
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>>44869076
>current year
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>>44880521

>He has sex with women he must be from tumblr

Early summer this year
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>>44871747
She wouldn't be interested
>hfw no red rocket
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>>44880646

>There will never be an episode of LoK where Asami puts Korra on a leash and makes her fuck a Wolfpig in front of Tenzin and his family.
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>>44880709
>mfw reading that
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>>44864505
>>44864493

I enjoyed Tower of Babel.
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>>44880709
Man, Zaheer's flight and mid-air-bending was the coolest shit
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>>44880847

You know she would love it, Korra was such a fucking slut god damn I wanted to see her just get fucking destroyed by big spirit cock so bad
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>>44877176

I was always of the opinion that Homura's relationship with Madoka wasn't romantic, certainly not at the start. In the beginning, Madoka was just her best friend and someone she thought she could save with magic.

But then saving her didn't work. So she tried again.

And again.

And Again.

Until, eventually, every day when she woke up the first question on her mind was "How do I save Madoka?"

Her whole life sort of spun into orbit around Madoka and her fate and how to change it. An obsession that she couldn't back down from anymore. Because after several iterations of the timeline, giving up on saving Madoka wouldn't just mean letting her friend die, it would mean that all of the horrible shit that Homura had been through up until that point, giving up her own soul and future, had been for nothing.

So it ended up as a weird sort of love, more like obsession or worship than romance. After watching the end of the world happen multiple times and only thinking about how too save one girl who perished that day, how could it not come to that?

Which is also why the end of Rebellion goes down the way it does. Because Homura realized that the ending of the show was better than any of the previous timelines had ended up, but it still wasn't what she set out to do. And, god fucking damn it, she was going to get what she wanted for once.
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Not sure if she's been posted or not yet, but I really enjoyed her in the books and the final game.
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>>44877207
I'm pretty sure Peeta was the only genuinely good person in the main cast. He just wanted to make cakes and instead he gets caught up in some unbelievable bullshit and gets literally mindfucked to hell and back until he snaps.
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>>44870197
I kind of love how easy was for Marvel to change Squirrel Girl from this semi-obscure character that comic fans loved into a scourge of the medium.
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>>44867342
This has to be one of the first movies where I actually liked all the characters for their different personalities. Mononoke was a badass, but so was every woman in iron town. I think the forge stokes women were my favorite.

Today, my fav female character would have to be Revy, possibly because being female is only at the end of her description.

I can't argue that Vasquez was a major badass though. Not enough competent butch women in telle these days.
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>>44868497
I think I could spend all day gassing on about how awesome every character from every Ghibli film was. Except the gold fish girl, can't remember her name.

Side note, I just remembered ReL Mayer, from Ergo Proxy. She reminds me of a female Roland Deschain. Cold, unimaginative, and grumpy, but undoubtedly skilled at her profession. Granted she was pretty entitled, I think the character flaw was played out well, like she were a knight used to having servants.
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>>44884998
Ponyo. Her real name was something more European.

PONYO WANTS HAM
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>>44885064
I knew it was something with a Po something.
The only thing that got me to give the rest of the movie a shot, was because prior to that my friend's in joke was shouting ham into a pretend CB radio spontaneously after he fell asleep playing video games with me.

A character shouting ham made me watch a movie I didn't care for.
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>>44884266

Comic book companies excel at ruining things their manbaby fans love.
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>>44880376
Underrated post right here.
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