For House & Dominion: Civil War
You are Sonia Reynard, Baron of Rioja. One small world among many in the House of Jerik-Dremine. From it you control the fates of a dozen others in the so called Smuggler's Run. With your new position you have the opportunity to become one of the most influential people in your House.
It is from this world that you draw your fleets and armies from. Both have seen their first large scale deployment with a large battle in orbit of Magdalena and a follow up planetary assault.
As the Dominion slips deeper into civil war you and those under your command have been fighting to protect your little corner of known space. With the arrival of additional allies you went on the offensive to drive House Nasidum out of the DRH1 Relay. With the help of your fleet the Ruling House were able to do just that.
While still wary of Bonrah and the pocket they hold in the region you and your allies are taking a well deserved breather.
Knight Captain Katherine Drake is your fleet's Wing Commander. She has been busy for the past week coordinating rescue efforts and escorting salvage fleets.
Uyi Rna is the General of your Army and is overseeing occupation efforts on Magdalena.
Wiremu Tama is the admiral of your Fleet. He's been busy since the last major battle, studying the effectiveness and integration of your stafighters forces
Fadila Saqqaf is your leading diplomatic adviser. She is working with your allies to help delegate responsibilities in the occupied territories.
After considerably more delays and technical problems than I thought possible.
At your return to Rioja the media are waiting in force despite the usual attempts to keep them away. Fortunately there was time to prepare with your PR team and some of the diplomats, setting up a press conference where you make a statement to the press.
While you describe the entire attack on the Nasidum expeditionary fleet as a defensive action to protect the Houses of the region, you also agree that it's a major victory.
You dedicate the victory to the many smaller Houses of the region, working together to oppose Nasidum and their attempts to bully others into submission. It's also dedicated to the strength of the Run Alliance as it becomes a power in its own right.
For now you refuse to answer questions on the future of the occupied territories or the level of casualties suffered.
Roll 8d20 for casualties suffered by the army.
Small question but in Neeran war 4th your the last thread there was this:
you notice a Hune officer wearing an odd uniform you're unfamiliar with. It looks like he's wearing a Republic Intelligence outfit but for the odd unit/ID patches.
Could we possibly track them down? It seems a bit out of place and only just stood out to me. Could they have been the one to fuck with the safe and shit? Or it's way too late for anything of the sort?
Search for "temporal" on the h&d wiki. That entry popped up around the same time as the post you mention.
I asked for more details in that thread or the next one, but didn't get a more detailed answer.
I've been trying to get a copy of AutoCAD that will run on my new PC since I lost the rar file I'd used on the old one. Unfortunately every torrent or alternate program I've tried capable of editing .dwg's has been full of trojans. So fixing all of that's been a challenge.
And wordpad just had what I can only describe as a seizure.
It should be possible to contact them via the Alliance if you want to. Sorry that I haven't had a chance to do more with them
Of the roughly 240,000 troops landed by your House at Magdalena there were around 16,000 casualties. 2720 confirmed killed, 6880 wounded, and 6400 missing in action. The last could simply be the result of there being too little to identify or possible desertion.
Minor injuries have for the most part been omitted.
Overall the General considers them to be quite low given how much of the army saw combat. Once a new PDF has been set up for continued occupation of the planet General Rna wishes to resume training as soon as possible.
"They performed well but my officers and I saw many areas they could have done better in."
With the largest percentage of troops committed to the invasion your House has the largest claim to the world and its surrounding territory. The diplomats want to conduct a review of the region before you or the House begin negotiations for what to do with it.
ie when I can get a proper map made up of the local resources.
>Regarding the new way to handle big battles
It seems like you forgot to update or resolve several minor engagements without having the dice to remind you.
We had an 2 wings chase a mixed wing for like 3 turns on the left of the battlefield, and the same thing more or less happened on the right.
We also got very few updates on how individual units/squads/wings were performing, if they had to use their SP-torps, and so on. I can understand that you want to streamline things as the battles get bigger but I think this one didn't have enough feedback on how the things we were doing were impacting the outcome.
We also didn't get any meaningful updates on the RH house fleet that showed up at the lower end of the map, or the bombers we sent there.
With the immediate threat from Nasidum forces gone your fleet's super heavy cruiser has returned to dock for repairs.
Between station module construction and the House super heavy returning for repairs the Forbearance shipyard is seeing the most activity it's had since the battle to capture it more than 8 years ago. Personnel have been recalled from salvage sites to bring repair crew levels back up to full output.
The images you're sent showing the big repair arms in place almost give the impression that the damage is worse than it actually was. In reality much of the work is checking to see how the ship's systems held up so they can estimate how reliable they'll be in the future. It should be finished repairs in a few days time.
Tabernas, the former capital of House Posat now acts as the regional capital of the Ruling House. They've announced that a victory ball will be held within the week.Sonia is of course expected to attend, as are representatives of all members of the Run Alliance. Even Ber'helum.
This isn't just a celebration or chance to party. There will be serious discussions being held between those present, some of them with long term implications.
As you've had enough forewarning of this I'm going to say that there was enough time to invite Eshik Medel if you want to do so.
You could introduce him as the captain of one of the mercenary bands working with you. This would provide a boost to their contracts and funding.
Or you introduce him as the heir to a House in Exile. This will garner the attention of Ber'helum, the Ruling House and others wishing to make inroads against Nasidum and Xygen. It will also make House Mev'ac aware that they have a challenger.
[ ] Don't send an invite
[ ] Invited as one of the mercenaries working with Run Alliance
[ ] Invited as the heir to a House in Exile
[ ] Other
Before I forget it, it might be helpful to further differentiate icons between attack cruiser / light cruiser, and battle cruisers / battleships.
As things would probably get really complicated by adding further details on what types of ship are in a unit, perhaps it would be useful to add a + or - to indicate if the units is made of above or below average ships?
>Regarding the battle and loot from last thread
Were we unable to salvage the drone carriers?
How did our heavy power armor troops perform during the ground invasion?
With the blockade lifted, is Helios going to reinforce their local fleets now?
This, discuss it with him. Inform him of the various levels of attention each will bring with it, and ask him to evaluate if he's honestly ready to take the heat, and remind him if he can't that it reflects on us. I think we should encourage him to at least come as a mercenary, as it will as said give him valuable contacts, but see where he's at for how high visibility he should make himself, or if he should bring up the heir business.
Have you tried draftsight or freeCAD? Both of these are legally available for free, so you shouldn't have any problems with infested downloads.
[x] Mercenary working with Run Alliance
I'm still paranoid this ball is going to end up getting people killed, though.
Be sure we leave someone with a 'deadman' letter of introduction for this kid to Ber'helum/Ruling House, should something happen.
I some cases I just plain did not have time to tell you guys everything that was going on if the battle and planetary assault were to be resolved before the thread fell off the page.
>2 wings chase a mixed wing for like 3 turns on the left of the battlefield, and the same thing more or less happened on the right.
The problem with fast ships is that they can match each others speed. Some were being whittled down.
>We also didn't get any meaningful updates on the RH house fleet that showed up at the lower end of the map, or the bombers we sent there.
The attack bombers were helping to turn the mess into an even bigger mess. Some of the Nasidum battleships launched starfighters. A few squadrons, not enough to counter yours but enough to be a distraction.
You sent mercs to help which broke the back of the Nasidum battleships allowing the RH fleet to finish off most of the remainder. Ruling House claimed salvage rights on the Nasidum Mediums from that pocket since they did most of the damage to them.
Rest of that salvage was split fairly evenly. Your people got plenty of claims to Knight class ships, some Battleships and older corvettes.
Right hand side: Two nasidum wings converged on 1 RH Wing and destroyed it before the other 2 RH wings could catch up, though not without taking damage. They then fled from the map. RH ships were then redirected to other fights, including helping Daska delay Heavy.
Left side pursuit: failed up update part of it. Most of the corvettes were worn down, some jumped out of the system. Stayed in system as long as they had because they were distracting larger numbers of superior ships from the bigger fights.
This brings up a good point and one that I've been meaning to look at more closely.
I am taking suggestions for alternate map unit icons.
Actually I did download FreeCAD, I just haven't had a chance to install or test it because game was running very late as it was.
>Were we unable to salvage the drone carriers?
They were listed among the 3 salvaged carriers.
>How did our heavy power armor troops perform during the ground invasion?
They were deployed in special operations assaults on facilities where strong resistance was expected. Mainly the key government buildings or planetary defense bunkers.
None of the suits were destroyed or their users killed but they took plenty of damage. Damage that would have surely killed several Marines or Rangers equipped with power cell armor.
Now they just need teleporters.
>With the blockade lifted, is Helios going to reinforce their local fleets now?
Yes. They've already sent a smaller vanguard fleet which is in transit from the Centri cluster. It should arrive shortly before the ball. One of the newly arrived representatives should be present if you want to talk to them.
>We lost one 12 ship squad somewhere along the way,
That was because I accidentally put 2 on the map when there should have only been 1. Don't know how that happened. Didn't realise it until the end of the battle when I was gathering the survivors.
Speaking of salvage, If we can do so without causing diplomatic issues, I'd prefer for the misc allies salvage claims to usually come in the form of raider ships, attack corvettes and light cruiser, with assualt corvettes, attack cruisers and heavier ships being the province of our run allies, and Berle'hum. Hopefully, it will keep the minor allies useful, but dependent on run elite in a major conflict (and vulnerable to run elite if they turn out to be treacherous.)
Other notes: we should look into reinforcing the static defenses facing DRH 2 which is Bonrah territory. Also stationing an observer on the DRH 2 nav station to give us a warning if Bonrah sends a major fleet through.
Unless you mean one of the mercenary afterburner squadrons because yes one of them lost all their ships. That was among the many losses suffered fighting the enemy elite unit.
It was a Run Alliance battleship/battlecruiser unit that I put a 2nd one of on the map.
Enough Merc personnel have survived to once again rebuild their unit.
Yes. Most major industry in the region was secured before fleeing Nasidum forces could evacuate it all. Additional equipment they had brought in themselves was easiest to load back on their transports and jump out.
Much of the orbital industry is slightly out of date as is the shipyard Daska secured, but it can be upgraded, something other Houses may want to discuss with you at the ball.
>Bekka [...] She's trying to get one of the new Dusk class ships
>Didn't even know that the house was actually using those.
Only in limited numbers. After Mike picked his up and you established his afterburner squadron there has been some interest in comparing them to the EC-K as its development has continued.
New ones have been built/bought for testing.
>This, discuss it with him. [...] ask him to evaluate if he's honestly ready to take the heat, and remind him if he can't that it reflects on us. I think we should encourage him to at least come as a mercenary, as it will as said give him valuable contacts, but see where he's at for how high visibility he should make himself, or if he should bring up the heir business.
Medel, while still young, is getting older and a tiny bit wiser with the help of his mentors and advisers. He's truthfully uncertain if the forces he can muster are ready to survive if a House set their sights on destroying them.
"My space fleet might be capable of it soon but I have no army and no intelligence assets of note. Maybe I can get more help at this ball but I should try to stay out of the spotlight."
>Invite as mercenaries working with Run Alliance Y/N?
I'm willing to invite him along. As for intelligence assets, we have a noble who I'm sure would love the chance to help a house reclaim its space and overthrow its hated enemies. Admittedly, he'd rather be helping Erid against J-D, but one can't have everything
>Unless you mean one of the mercenary afterburner squadrons because yes one of them lost all their ships.
Yeah, I meant that one.
>That was among the many losses suffered fighting the enemy elite unit
What exactly went wrong? Were the enemy pilots and ships simply that good? Or did the mercs fly a bunch of mostly obsolete ships?
>Enough Merc personnel have survived to once again rebuild their unit.
Excellent. We provide them with teleporter capsules, right?
>>Invite as mercenaries working with Run Alliance Y/N?
Invite him along but let him do his thing. Point him in the direction of the right people
Some of our minor DRH 1 allies lost part of their BC/BB unit. I think we should at least offer to replace them with an equivalent ship we salvaged.
>I am taking suggestions for alternate map unit icons.
Attack Cruiser icon
Ship quality indicator
Civilian ship icon <- It was sometimes hard to differentiate that one from disabled or destroyed medium cruisers.
>Ruling House claimed salvage rights on the Nasidum Mediums from that pocket since they did most of the damage to them.
More shukhants, or is nasidum using a second type of medium?
>What exactly went wrong? Were the enemy pilots and ships simply that good?
Yes. It was Ace unit vs Ace unit.
Roughly equal numbers of people at the same skill level in same quality of ships. It was just about the only Nasidum unit equipped with assault corvettes in the theater.
Your side had better armor while theirs had more SP Torpedoes.
If they'd been able to link up with their main fleet things would probably have been much worse.
An Eminence and an older Shukhant.
>I'd prefer for the misc allies salvage claims to usually come in the form of raider ships, attack corvettes and light cruiser, with assualt corvettes, attack cruisers and heavier ships being the province of our run allies, and Berle'hum. Hopefully, it will keep the minor allies useful, but dependent on run elite in a major conflict
>Some of our minor DRH 1 allies lost part of their BC/BB unit. I think we should at least offer to replace them with an equivalent ship we salvaged.
That may be a matter of some debate then.
Would you rather restrict salvaged battleships and larger to the key members of your alliance? Or will you make sure that those ships lost in the fighting at least are replaced?
Or will you make sure that those ships lost in the fighting at least are replaced?
I'm good with that.
That said, if there were any minor allied forces that showed exceptional ability or willingness to fight with us, we should consider rewarding them with heavier ships where possible/practical.
Preparations have been made by the time you arrive in orbit of Tabernas. Ships transporting delegations from each of the other Houses in attendance have taken up parking orbits assigned by system control. Most of those belonging to your regional allies are easy enough to spot. Some are still sporting the occasional crater or scar from the recent fighting.
Those from Ber'helum look like they're prepared should things go badly. A squadron of brand new fast battleships are arrayed around a medium cruiser that must have started its life as a Lance class but now is all but unrecognizable.
Fadila has prepared a number of notes on individuals you may wish to speak with that are expected to be present at the ball. If you want she can have your other Knights and nobles in attendance confirm who is present to give you more warning of what to expect.
"Baron Reynard please be aware that we are going to be the only House present besides our host with any substantial military presence on the planet. Our Earl maintains a garrison there protecting the main starship armor production center. This is one of the largest in the Relay capable of producing newer model anti-torpedo armor, though not the only one. While the House and the Earl are officially in good standing with the Ruling House, he's still threatened to destroyed the facility if they try to seize and nationalize it."
"How many are actually on the surface?" you ask.
"A full armored division plus half a battalion of power cell equipped troops. Not enough to threaten the PDF but enough to clear a path if you and the other delegates require extraction. Doing so will result in destruction of the factory to prevent its capture as if they are needed it would mean the Ruling House had turned against us."
Right. Well, it's better than having to scrounge weapons and vehicles like at a certain other ball.
Out of habit you check your plasma pistol to be sure it hasn't broken or had some other fault crop up when you weren't paying attention.
Your dress uniform has of course been updated with most of your decorations. There isn't room for some at this point. Other nobles facing this problem often choose from a number of solutions. The first, which you're stuck with at the moment, is to not display all of them. This is the poor man's solution and isn't tolerated for very long by most.
The second manner is the Riband or Sash, usually acquired by being a member of a particular order of Knights. Such orders fall into and out of style and favour with the wider populace of nobles since only Knights and those promoted from such are permitted them.
The sash can be used as extra room for decorations.
The third option is a custom dress uniform incorporating more of particular elements, especially the battle decorations, into the underlying "backround" portion of the uniform. Thus freeing up room for other awards.
You'll have to give some thought to it.
For now as the LST prepares to descend you need to give more thought to your bodyguard situation. It's highly unlikely anyone even wearing Recon armor will be able to get in undetected. They could still be standing by outside.
A more visible bodyguard might be called for inside.
>What sort of bodyguard force do you want assigned for protection at the ball? Too many will make it difficult to converse with other guests and give you host the impression you don't trust them.
>"A full armored division plus half a battalion of power cell equipped troops. Not enough to threaten the PDF but enough to clear a path if you and the other delegates require extraction. Doing so will result in destruction of the factory to prevent its capture as if they are needed it would mean the Ruling House had turned against us."
Wouldn't the RH have to be pretty much insane to do that to us at this point? I mean, we just pulled off a major operation against their enemies and it didn't really weaken us significantly. It could tip into "Everyone vs. RH" especially since the original spark was Ares infiltrating the Dominion and the RH using that as justification to strike against it's unstable/rogue elements, no?
Our two regulars in PA and half a squad in marine armor? One accompanies us and the rest stay in the waiting area? Two of them being trained medics would be appreciated.
Or would that be considered too much?
> The third option is a custom dress uniform incorporating more of particular elements, especially the battle decorations, into the underlying "backround" portion of the uniform. Thus freeing up room for other awards.
SHARK SHARK SHARK SHARK SHARK PREDATOR OF THE DEEPS THEME.
But subtle like. Something similar to a Napoleonic Hussar uniform perhaps? With may a symbol of a shark eating a super-heavy.
> Bodyguard force
Can we try and infiltrate them into the staff? I mean, we have a pretty decent SF built up no?
I would like to have a rapid reaction force set up outside as well with timed check-ins to make sure things are okay.
So, I mean paranoia, but not about the guests so much as about having forces on hand for everyone's safety because they are our valuable allies. I mean, the last time this went wrong we did save everyone else and didn't just get our own shit out.
>Could we get a Standard Bearer?
That... is not a thing I've considered before. It's actually a pretty good idea. For this ball I'm going to say no but for future ones, especially if Sonia were to host them I would say that is up to you and the other players.
Haven't had a chance to look at it but I did notice the page had been updated recently.
>Wouldn't the RH have to be pretty much insane to do that to us at this point?
They would have to be absolutely insane not "pretty much," but that doesn't mean players and by extension Sonia are not incredibly paranoid about it happening again.
>Or would that be considered too much?
Having people with power armor inside the ball itself might be a bit much, though they could certainly be at the ready outside.
>Can we try and infiltrate them into the staff? I mean, we have a pretty decent SF built up no?
Your special forces are experienced in sneaking, being invisible or out shooting the other guys. Actually getting spies onto their staff would be more difficult and require a few weeks unless you want to just bribe some of their staff.
Or send Eldal.Either of those run the risk of being picked up by RH counter espionage.
>I would like to have a rapid reaction force set up outside as well with timed check-ins to make sure things are okay.
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>One or two in marine Armour?
>half a squad in marine armor?
Fadila gives you a strange look.
"You know I think the Earl was right, you do need my help more than you realise."
"Yes, your two bodyguards with the ornamental power armor will certainly fit the part but they won't be allowed inside. People in marine armor are terribly unsubtle. Let me call Knight Drake, she always has a few extra outfits on hand."
"Okay you're losing me." you tell her.
The diplomat shows you her datapad. "Nanoweave Dress uniforms with reinforced under armor sections. A slight upgrade over your own dress uniform in terms of durability but they're notoriously uncomfortable. Ideal for bodyguards wishing to remain inconspicuous among social gatherings like this.
At least this way if you decide to march a marine squad inside they won't stick out quite so much."
[ ] Outfit some of your bodyguards with modded uniforms
[ ] Use Marine armor
[ ] Other
>Okay Winifred, I'll take your not-daughter.
>And in return, you'll get my not-clone.
>[ ] Outfit some of your bodyguards with modded uniforms
>they're notoriously uncomfortable
A month's pay for everybody who'll have to wear one out of Sonia's funds?
>medium cruiser that must have started its life as a Lance class but now is all but unrecognizable.
Are we doing the upgrades at RSS facilities? What does that upgrade do, exactly?
>Tabernas, the former capital of House Posat now acts as the regional capital of the Ruling House.
What happened to the Posat guys after the RH took over? And what did J-D do with the Posat nobles holding small bits of land on Rioja?
Can we get a list of the big 7 specific technologies? An image you posted last thread contained those from Bonrah and Helios, and now I'm curious about the rest.
Do all of the large houses have a unique Z5 variant?
>Lets check the loyalty scores of Drake just incase.
Or would you rather just ask what's up with her having all these spares?
>Okay Winifred, I'll take your not-daughter.
>And in return, you'll get my not-clone.
I laughed harder than I should have.
>A month's pay for everybody who'll have to wear one out of Sonia's funds?
They're dress uniforms, it's almost expected. Still you guys up for a little extra pay?
>Are we doing the upgrades at RSS facilities?
Not this particular one, it's just been rebuilt several times. You want to buy the design specs?
You give the more experienced diplomat the okay and soon after landing a pair of Drake's bodyguards pull up in a limo and hand over a few suit cases.
You notice that Medel's shuttle has landed nearby along with those from the other Mercenary companies in your employ. It seems the SRL Mercs main fleet haven't left the Relay yet. Maybe they're looking into additional employment opportunities with the Houses present?
Rufaro lets you know that everyone is ready to depart.
1) How many suitably attired bodyguards do you want to bring inside with you?
[ ] 2
[ ] 4
[ ] 6
[ ] More
2) Do you want to invite Eldal as well so he can look around? He'll just go with an Alliance Dress uniform.
>[ ] 4
Gotta have that two in front, two behind swagger! Or that hip five person line! Seems a good number without going overboard, and it can also be useful if they have other skills, like keeping an eye on people expressions, identifying people we should say hello to, and fetching us liquor. That and we can perhaps detail one to subtly keep an eye on the kid.
[ ] 10 (Paranoia intensifies)
[ ] Yes! Best Krath gets to play with us as well.
Also supporting having the men at arms in Power Armor with a squadron of Marines waiting some place outside or the like. Just in case.
>Or would you rather just ask what's up with her having all these spares?
>Still you guys up for a little extra pay?
It's a shitty job, so I wouldn't mind.
>You want to buy the design specs?
We should probably ask first what the upgrade actually does before we buy it.
>It seems the SRL Mercs main fleet haven't left the Relay yet.
I was hoping all that stuff from the end of the last thread would end up in a survey once you got the salvage and territory sorted out.
>2) Do you want to invite Eldal as well so he can look around? He'll just go with an Alliance Dress uniform.
Only if Ecord volunteers to play chaperone. Those two seem to get along well enough.
We want enough to be effective, but few enough to avoid making people nervous.
[x] Yes to Eldal
Having an effectively neutral party present could diffuse any potential conflicts that may erupt.
I'm paranoid about something happening, but our fleets need to be defending our territory and getting their needed repairs.
Of course, our forces should be on alert no matter where they are. Bonrah could attempt an offensive while key commanders are gathered here.
The fleet we invited?
The fleet we wanted to delay the departure of so we could use them against Bonrah or have our allies hire?
The SRL fleet from the warlord we have a fairly solid history with, have invested in, and who managed to get a pair of Supers through Bonrah space to help us?
The SRL fleet that bluffed Bonrah and now has to get through Bonrah space to get home?
What the actual fuck. Wordpad crashing at random. I am rolling back this machine first thing in the morning in the hopes that it fixes some of these problems I'm being hit with.
>Do all of the large houses have a unique Z5 variant?
For the most part yes.
>Can we get a list of the big 7 specific technologies? An image you posted last thread contained those from Bonrah and Helios, and now I'm curious about the rest.
Ruling House is having trouble with the attack cruiser designers competing for market share. Nirium, Chevalier and Dragoon. As most of the majors have participated to some extent with development of the newer fast battleship, the Dragoon could be more easily picked up by them. Ber'helum and RH are both pushing production of the FBS hard along with LD plasma cannons.
Ruling House - various attack cruisers / Z10 Heavy drone starfighter / New Fast BS
Ber'helum - Gravity well / Z5Z / New Fast BS
Helios - Siege weapons / Antimatter torpedo
Kharbos - "Fleet Corvette" assault corvette & Frigate based off same hull / Z5Y
Bonrah - Talos Heavy Carrier (only real competitor to ACC Supers and Senate class Heavy)
Xygen - Several Aries techs (supposedly captured) Ships, power armor, "Pinch" Plasma Rifles
Nasidum - Mobile Fortress II / Z5 interceptor variant
Che'len - Foreign support (Will be covered at ball)
>I was hoping all that stuff from the end of the last thread would end up in a survey once you got the salvage and territory sorted out.
I suppose it can.
They do need to drop off equipment at the PMC base they're getting as payment.
I still think we should simply move that base to the new territories outside the run.
I also doubt Bonrah would have let them through if they had known they'd be assisting us in kicking Nasidum out.
They're mercs, they can just as easily accept jobs from bonrah (the house whose signature tactic is hiring mercs) as they can accept jobs from our allies, trust is cool and all but having a back up plan doesn't really hurt us much right?
>Che'len - Foreign support (Will be covered at ball)
I do NOT like the idea of outside influence on the Dominion civil war. All I can think is "NEERAN INFILTRATOR!"
Also did we ever agree on Ber'Helum upgrading a Medium yard or our Forbearance yard into a Super Heavy Yard?
They asked to set up a merc base in OUR sector, not for us to hand over the sector.
There are plenty of clauses we could put in their contract to prevent betrayal. "Default 'protect region' contract with JD", which would be lawyered to prevent them taking anti-JD/Run Alliance contracts. Or a "2 weeks notice before accepting any contracts against Run Alliance Houses" clause, registered with the Guild, and effectively making them SRL renegades if they break this.
Seriously, if the Dominion can't lawyer air-tight contracts, no one can.
Make it so that they have a (multiple) clause that prevents "betrayal" attacks, and breaking it (or any of them) ruins their reputation as mercs. With the SRL basically being a collection of mercs now, they kind of need their reputations.
>Also did we ever agree on Ber'Helum upgrading a Medium yard or our Forbearance yard into a Super Heavy Yard?
No it was not agreed upon. It will be officially proposed at the ball at which point it will be on the survey.
I need to stop here for tonight so I can get up early enough to run over to work and talk to my boss. Once I get back (and hopefully still have a job) I'll try to kick off the ball and both politics and surveys will commence.
See you in the morning!
>Also did we ever agree on Ber'Helum upgrading a Medium yard or our Forbearance yard into a Super Heavy Yard?
We didn't even ask what production levels these yard would have, and if Ber'helum is offering or asking for specific designs. So I'd guess not yet.
>I need to stop here for tonight so I can get up early enough to run over to work and talk to my boss.
Ouch, that sounds unpleasant. Good luck!
I've given it some thinking, regarding the upgrading of either of the two yards. My current conclusion is that we need production data/information on the Super Yard before we can decide. Also what kind of yard they had in mind is also important. If they wanted a Level 2 Medium yard that produces one ship every 6 week or if they wanted a Super yard that produces 1 ship every ???. OR, fat chance of it happening, they wanted a level 3 Medium yard.
However if I had to decide right now I'd say we should go for the Super yard since it seems to be the better long term idea. I mean the ability to construct Super Heavy Cruisers is not something that is common in the dominion and should help to boost our allies presence in the Relay significantly so they stand to gain the ability to buy these ships. Since we really can't staff them. This will no doubt make the Relay a bigger target than it already is but with help from allies we should be able to hold it, and might even get to keep Forbearance here. Perhaps we could even benefit from it what with us farming the salvage of destroyed enemy invasions.
What would be even better is if we could copy this yard that Ber'Helum is interested building with us. That would mean we could perhaps be the only Dominion House that can "Mass" produce them, eventually.
I am seeing a lot of expenses but also a lot to gain from the Super Yard.
We also don't know what we will be able to build in a potential super heavy yard.
Classic kavarian designs? Alliance stuff? Asteroid fortress designs?
We should also investigate if we can upgrade or build new yards in the run:
+We never got around to building the two additional assembly lines for type 6 bombers our license allows. Maybe it would be a decent idea to build one in the run and the other one in the homeworlds?
+I would like to suggest building a second assault corvette production line.
+An attack cruiser level 2 line for 50 million seems like a decent investment. 1 ship every two weeks should be a sustainable rate for the run alliance when it comes to crew training and recruitment.
+If it's feasible, I would like to suggest we build 4 more medium cruiser yards.
-2 for picos. The ship seems like a good candidate to augment the escort of forbearance with a ship that's designed to take out many smaller ships while still maintaining most of the survivability of the kilo and probably sharing lots of parts between the two ships. The wiki article also mentions picos can be upgraded with spinal weapons, so after the first production run of escorts for forbearance, we could equip the next ones with the 2 remaining siege weapons we managed to salvage. It's also supposed to be one of the cheapest medium cruisers.
-1 for sledges. Also one of the cheapest medium cruisers, probably faster to build thanks to its cargo frame construction, and a ship equipped to face larger targets.
-The last one for Shallan medium cruisers if the class has been updated. It is one of the most expensive medium cruisers, and seems pretty good at everything. It would make a good ship for elite crews, and we can also sell them to the Shallans to support them.
We invested a damned lot into Rioja. Let's reserve our funds for now.
I think you have the Pico class confused with the Lance class. The Terran Lance is the anti-smaller ship Medium, while the Pico is really just a differently shaped Kilo with some extra small weapons on the flanks, rather than on the ventral/dorsal regions. The Lance also has the potential for Terran and maybe even Factions Alliance upgrade packages, while the Pico basically seems to be a dated ship everyone seems to ignore in favor of the Kilo.
>We also don't know what we will be able to build in a potential super heavy yard.
Yes, that would be interesting to know as well what our options will be. We may know enough of the Champion class to be able to get a schematic for it since we've been working on it for like 8 years now.
>+We never got around to building the two additional assembly lines for type 6 bombers our license allows. Maybe it would be a decent idea to build one in the run and the other one in the homeworlds?
>+I would like to suggest building a second assault corvette production line.
Disapproval. We have the only level 4 Assault Corvette yard at Surakeh. Our Frigate yard at Rioja which is producing Assault Corvettes and the newly captured yard from the Magdalena territories, even if the later is outdated and can't make Assault Corvettes without upgrades. We need heavier ships if anything.
>+An attack cruiser level 2 line for 50 million seems like a decent investment. 1 ship every two weeks should be a sustainable rate for the run alliance when it comes to crew training and recruitment.
I'd say a level 3 yard would be better but money is hard to come by atm since I think we blew most of it on Riojas development.
>+If it's feasible, I would like to suggest we build 4 more medium cruiser yards.
I can not agree on that. Better one level 2 yard than 4 level 1 yards seeing as the production time for a level 1 yard is 6 months compared to the level 2 yard which is 6 weeks. But again, money is the issue here.
As for Medium Classes. The Eminence class do follow our doctrine of "Got to go fast" so it can keep up with the Corvettes easier than the Pico. Also I don't like the fact that the Pico need to broadside to bring it's weapons to bear on the enemy. The Kilo also still seems superior to it if only for the fact that it is easy to mod as you wish.
Shukhant is more up to date however and we can probably custom arm it with LD plasma cannons.
I mostly picked the mediums by the cost
The basic idea was to get a medium cruiser designs from the cheapest tiers that are good against smaller and bigger stuff.
i.e. pico and sledge.
I didn't really consider the lance because of the stability issues and that upgrading it places the ship in the more expensive tier.
Personally I am against the Quantity over Quality doctrine. Especially when it comes to Mediums and above. What should be important here is performance and MOST importantly for us, man power requirements.
Also, while the Sledge class is better than the Lance it's not by much. It's only real benefit is the fact that it can throw out more firepower. It is still developing so if we want to build it we will need to update it as well regularly.
However I do like the look of it and it has an impressive amount of firepower if we just switched out it's fusion canons for LD cannons.
A shame we couldn't bring home that Shallan Medium since those are more like Heavy Cruisers than Mediums and can pretty much wreak anything short of Super Heavy Cruisers.
If there isn't, I really hope we could get the design and work with someone to upgrade it.
Definitely investing in quality ships is better now since the house faces manpower shortage.
Considering that the Dominion's whole shtick is 'Quantity is a Quality', we should probably be focused on merging a sort of hybrid doctrine.
Remember during the Lat'tham Coup where our forces applied focused quality to a massed battle, and in a few cases we were targets of the enemy's quality ships?
The question of the future is where we can afford to focus on quality, and where we need to aim for quantity, so that we don't end up with small forces the enemy can overwhelm with numbers.
>We need heavier ships if anything.
While it's true for J-D, I think we're the only House currently producing assault crovettes in the run, and possibly in the entire relay. Even if we can't train enough crews to keep up with the production, we'll very likely have no problems selling the ships to our allies.
If we want one, we'll have to reverse engineer it. See:
>Endeavour currently can't carry turrets for things like LD plasma cannons, though the Terrans may be working on that now. So it has less firepower aside from SP weapons.
Construction licenses are not available for either, though a reverse engineering project could be started.
Still, don't want to overproduce them when we instead could produce better ships. Also we don't want everyone in the Relay to have Assault Corvettes. Just the Run Alliance, Ber'Helum and the Ruling House. And 4 Assault Corvettes completed each day, just in the Run by us, is still a lot of ships.
What we have currently seems to work. Well trained pilots from the start instead of massed Corvette formations of pilots who where about as good as Sonia where at the start of the quest. We don't want wet tissue paper corvette wings like everyone else seem to favor. No, elite corvette wings is where it's at if we want them.
The Frigate yard at Rioja that produces Assault Corvettes and the one we captured from Nasidums graveyard repair base. The later still needs to be upgraded to produce Assault Corvettes however.
I think the one Daska captured was a light/attack crusier yard. I think it would be a waste to use it to produce corvettes instead of Dusk IIs.
We captured an attack corvette shipyard in orbit around magdalena but I have no idea if those can upgraded easily.
No idea what tech level they are, though.
Do we put on a dress just to confuse everyone as well instead of a uniform? No one expects Psycho Sonia in a dress!
>Do you want Sonia to die alone surrounded by cats
>surrounded by cats
>Not salvage and sharks.
Hmm, depending on what kind of (armored) dresses are in style these days we could probably get away with quintupling the number of hidden weapons on our person...
Still, we're mainly here in a military/political capacity, so it'd be more appropriate to go with the dress uniform and look the part of a Baron of House Jerik-Dremine. If we look like a party girl they aren't going to take us too seriously during the salvage, territory and run alliance leadership negotiations.
Darn, have to leave soon. Couple of points I didn't see come up that I admittedly may have missed while sprinting through the thread:
-We are planning to bring our diplomatic/political advisor with us right? (and assign her/him a bodyguard for the event?)
-Are we planing to bring any newly minted knights or knight candidates? (if so have they gotten a crash course on ball etiquette yet?)
-Do we want to have a discussion with the run alliance members before hand to see which major houses they are leaning towards supporting and to make sure as a coalition we can present a fairly unified front?
-Do we own the rare element mining rights in that JD sector by the Factions Alliance base, and if so have we considered leasing them to House Kandil (since rare element processing is what they do)?
Sorry for any redundancy and see you guys later!
You guys are free to hold a ball at Rioja to show off a new dress uniform. It wouldn't be the worst reason one has been held.
Unless you really really want Sonia wearing a dress for this one.
You'll bring along three bodyguards in the armored dress uniforms. Two will stay nearby while the third will keep an eye on things from farther away. Sort of like two defense platforms and a reaction force.
Maybe you should get a standard bearer? It might let them hide a weapon.
But enough of that. You arrive at the ball and as expected any guards with power armor are being kept outside by a pair of Royal Guard at the outer doors. Once inside the building itself you pass through the security scanners and option weapons check in.
The eyes of the well dressed NCO manning the weapons check flick back and forth nervously between you and your plasma pistol. Despite obvious reluctance you're permitted to keep your weapons.
"They're more worried about poison." Fadila tells you. "Besides, you're a Baron. You have weapons more powerful than a plasma pistol at your disposal."
Before your diplomatic adviser can begin pointing out important individuals you're approached by the host of the party, Baron Baern Usela.
"Welcome again to Tabernas Baron Reynard. It seems our positions of rank have become a bit more equal since the last time we met."
It seems the former Earl of House Posat didn't lose all of their power. There are at least two other Barons from the Ruling House present. The highest ranking of them looks to be Count Al'mari Nirium.
Anything you'd like to say to the former Earl?
And I forgot my picture.
There are at least two other Barons from the Ruling House present, while the highest ranking member of their House at the ball looks to be Count Al'mari Nirium.
A little better?
Baron Baern Usela
Count Al'mari Nirium
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Good old GEMA…
>"Welcome again to Tabernas Baron Reynard. It seems our positions of rank have become a bit more equal since the last time we met."
Don’t worry, they will pull apart again soon.
>Express some polite relief at her being well
I’m actually not sure anymore what happened to Posat. We got one of their planets and the rest was taken over by the Ruling House who in turn paid out their debtors or something, right? Has the economy recovered since?
"So it would seem, but at least this time it is under more agreeable circumstances." I really want to be nice to this guy and thank him for hosting this ball.
Last time we came here we were prepared for the worst but ended up buying two planets off of them so I hope he doesn't have any hard feelings toward us over the situation. Not sure if they would be interested but sometime I think it might be a interesting idea to invite them to Rioja at some point in the future to show how it has come a long way.
"I am glad to see you well, Baron Usela. I trust members of Jerik-Dremine have been reasonably amicable to their hosts during this latest crisis? If not, I hope we can resolve any issues when it would not interfere with your ball."
Maybe inquire if they have family present/how the family is, and ask to possibly chat about Nasidium's fleet/tactics later, once they've finished their greeting rounds as the host?
>It seems things haven't exactly been that hard for you have they?
Dear god no. Rude.
Basically we got word that the ruling house was going to dissolve the house cause they were in mega debt. We came in with a fleet ready to take a piece just in case and ended up negotiating a settlement of our debt you could say...and while we were at it ended up pooling resources to buy one of there planets which we are now the baron of.
Meant to say one planet.
Be nice and polite, we're allies now after all and the past has already been settled. Invite him to Rioja whenever he has time for it. So he can see we have taken care of the planet and it's people well enough.
Are completely out of whack due to emergency wartime spending, station construction and the like. Thanks to salvage efforts and once the House is actually able to pay RSS properly things should recover nicely.
Don't worry, there are better options.
Not at the moment, though they have the tech to repair them.
"Yes, to be honest, I was surprised by how little time I spent as a knight commander." It probably wouldn't have been even half that time had you not been arrested. You do express some polite relief at her being well.
"Thank you. I didn't personally take the field during the fighting. The local worlds provided most of the manpower and shipyards used to fight Nasidum these past months. I had hoped to ask for your assistance sooner but the other Barons were too proud to allow it. All it did was result in more dead, but I hope we can still count on your support in the future?"
It's still a bit too early to say conclusively one way or the other, especially with so many yet to meet and talk to. As such you remain noncomittal but you have made your support for the Alliance quite clear, somehing that the Ruling House also stands for.
"While on the topic of local worlds, has the economy recovered since the handover?" you ask.
"It was never expected to fully recover. Trade links with some Houses were severed as a result of the annexation, but many of the worlds have returned to a level of self sufficiency now that the Ruling House has dealt with the debt problems. All of the debt was either to the Ruling House who now own these worlds, or to our current enemies which are no longer a concern!"
Your host continues.
"There are expected to be some higher taxes for these worlds but they've been suspended for now with the civil war."
You thank the Baron for hosting the ball and invite him to Rioja whenever there is time for it.
"We've made considerable progress in its reconstruction. You really should see it."
Once the two of you have parted ways your party heads further into the ballrooms, enjoying the scenery of the well appointed halls. Rioja's capital may need some upgrades, or at least some holographic stand-ins.
There certainly seem to be a lot of people in attendance. Presence of guards inside the main ball appear to be kept to a minimal to keep from getting in the way.
You notice an incident at the door.
Bernard Foss, South Reach Mercenary commander and captain of the super heavy cruiser Sam Bellamy has been stopped by the guards who refuse to allow him entrance to the ball while carrying a weapon.
[ ] Intervene on his behalf
[ ] Do nothing
[ ] Other
[x] Intervene on his behalf
[x] Other: Remind the guards that this man commands the two largest ships in the entire relay, if they are being rude.
Phase pistol with 1 stun shot time?
>[ ] Intervene on his behalf
We may enter with weapons, so… We step out with him for a moment, he gives us his weapons, we enter, he gets it back?
Seems a bit rule-lawerly, we can probably just use our status.
>Count Al'mari Nirium.
Why do I have a suspicion that they brought in this count to overawe the minor houses. I doubt its a coincidence that someone bearing the last name of their house showed up, and one who just coincidentally out ranks anyone in most of their houses. That Shogun idea might actually be relevant right now.
Several more guards have arrived by the time you walk over including an officer trying to straighten things out.
>find out what the issue is.
"South Reach Pirates ma'am." The officer informs you.
"Mercenaries in good standing, thank you very much." the Merc fleet commander counters.
"We're simply concerned about security if individuals from such groups were to be allowed weapons inside the ball."
Captain Foss turns to you. "Baron Reynard if you could- oh my god, you've got an anti-tank gun. And they're worried about me!? You could shoot five people in the next room with that."
You gesture for the SRL Merc to lower his voice while glancing around to see how many people were paying attention to that outburst.
[ ] Let him through, they're our allies
[ ] Allow Phase pistol with 1 stun shot
[ ] None of the Mercenaries should be permitted weapons inside, its only fair
[ ] Agree with the guards, SRL mercs not permitted weapons
[x] Allow Phase pistol with 1 stun shot
[x] Unload his normal side-arm, Reynard holds the magazine/charge pack, side-arm carried empty.
"Captain Foss is a mercenary in good standing, and currently under my employ. Perhaps we can come to a compromise, in light of the past we share and toward a better future?"
Maybe a bit of quiet "you nearly gave me a heart attack when you showed up in battle, work with me on this" to Foss, and offer to buy him a good drink after this?
>Something inbetween letting him through and the one stun shot.
That seems to be the direction things are going in.
Phase pistol with 1 stun shot, Reynard or others willing to vouch for them holds additional magazine/charge pack.
Would this be acceptable?
As long as you didn't turn that sensor unit up high enough to damage anything, not much. There wouldn't be much point since he already passed through a scanner which would have picked up just as much.
"If you're concerned just allow him a stun pistol with one shot. I will take custody of another power pack for the weapon. I'm sure there are Knights or even Barons that would be willing to do so on behalf of our many allied mercenary companies."
The officer agrees that your suggestion is a reasonable compromise.
Once through the SRL Commander thanks you for your help.
"It's difficult enough to be taken seriously at these sort of events without provoking our hosts. What else was I supposed to do, bring my main fleet into orbit to threaten them, proving them right? I'm not that much of a fool. Thank you again Baron Reynard."
>SRL Relations slightly increased!
Fadila has taken the time to have your people confirm who is present or wishes to speak with you.
There are numerous starship manufacturers present attempting to sell their attack cruiser designs to the minor local Houses. The Chevalier, Dragoon, and Nirium class, are solid enough but the EC-K and newer model Dusk class could give them serious competition. You could try to work on promoting one of those designs increasing the unity of the relay by locking out the others.
Count Al'mari Nirium is rumored to be looking to hire fleets experienced with convoy raiding in addition to general support for the Ruling House.
A new ambassador for House Helios is here. Vara Fauh'teth wishes to speak to you about future relations between your two Houses.
Knight Commander Stor Ber'helum is here rallying additional support and wants to talk about shipyard upgrades and your political position.
Ambassador Issel is representing House Kharbos, trying to sell their assault corvette and frigate designs.
Knight Commander Darrow of House Phobos has been invited. Several parties are trying to get their hands on the newer tanks they're producing for the Alliance.
A few Rovinar and Dro'all officers serving with the Alliance are negotiating for recruiting rights from each House.
Who do you want to talk to first?
Knight Commander Stor Ber'helum is here rallying additional support and wants to talk about shipyard upgrades and your political position.
Get the shipyard deal done before anything else.
>SRL Relations slightly increased!
Priority talk order seems to be
Ber'Helum (Get dat yard)
Helios (Don't fuck up relations)
Ruling House (Raiding time?)
Cruise talk (EC-K is best ship)
I want get to meat of the Super Heavy yard deal asap. Then we can improve relationship with Helios.
I will have to hold back on commenting on the dusk until I see it in action. However the possibility of mounting two LD plasma cannons on it is VERY tempting. Even if my true love will always be the Corsair. Man do I wish we had managed to snag a yard or two making those.
Here's the old one.
And the new one.
Back to writing!
You approach Knight Commander Stor Ber'helum when there is an opportunity to do so. Easily the second tallest Dro'all you've ever seen you're not surprised in the slightest to find out that the Knight is one of the Duke's children.
"I'm so glad we're finally able to meet Baron, I've been following your career since your exploits during the Lat'tham coup. The gravity well generator technology our House has been able to develop and perfect with the help and inspiration of you and your House has been a dramatic achievement.
I'm sorry we were unable to spare enough ships to destroy the Nasidum blockade in the Centri cluster ourselves, but the Duke wants you to know that our House is committed to future relations.
The strategic importance of the region can't be understated. We want to develop the local infrastructure of those committed to their alliance with us. The shipyards you already have in place within the Smuggler's Run are ideally placed and more heavily defended than any other position to be found in the region. That is why we are offering you the opportunity to upgrade one of them with the most advanced technology we have available.
Either a Medium Cruiser Yard or the Super Heavy Yard."
You're starting to wonder if she'll let you get a word in when the Knight's conversation comes to an abrupt halt as she waits for a response.
More exact terms for the deal. Will we have to sell them a set amount of ships at production value or the like or is it a simple gift?
What level of yards are we talking? A Medium Assembly line or Rapid Assembly Line? Production values of the Super Heavy yard.
"I'm truly honored to receive such a gracious offer. I'm pleased to hear the solidifying of our relations too, Ber'helum has always been as supportive as they can be of my House and I've always appreciated it."
"I assume there is something Ber'helum seeks in return for such infrastructure upgrades?"
You ask if the Duke is in good health and receive an affirmative. There have only been a few assassination attempts over the years, none resulting in injury. If things remain this way the Knight's progenitor could easily live another century.
"While intended more as a gift it is a valuable one. We would want to buy a majority of the ships produced, at least at first, though a discount is expected given the support we would be providing to establish and initially operate the improved industry."
"So you'd buy at production value?"
"Approximately, or slightly higher. We understand that at cost production can't always cover unforeseen circumstances, especially in wartime. Your House would have advanced notice of our purchase orders to determine how many other ships produced would require buyers."
"What level of yards are we talking?"
"The Medium yard would be analogous to a level 3 rapid assembly line. We can offer designs of the newest model Shukhant immediately, or can look at upgrading an existing design, though I can't promise to what extent.
The Super yard's output is difficult to say. We haven't really built much in the way of them before, being reliant upon medium cruisers and smaller ships for the most part. It is in our best interest to increase it.
The design would be a modified variant of Kavarian super. Like the other Major Houses we've acquired plenty of data on how the Alliance has been outfitting theirs with siege weaponry. I doubt the ships we produce will be quite as powerful but close enough will do.
If you had an alternate design suggestion I may be able to see if it would be acceptable but the reason it's been presented to you is because of the Forbearance yard. We need heavily armed platforms for siege weaponry that can do battle with the other major Houses. The smaller siege weapon ships you've suggested, while they could be effective, can not survive the level of punishment a large scale battle will entail."
We should probably arrange a later meeting, and introduce the Knight Commander to Captain Foss... and the scrap cannons.
It might be possible to get a certain SRL Warlord to perhaps aid with engineers familiar with Megas and modifications to them?
"So the Medium cruiser yard would be producing ships in say roughly two weeks?"
"We hope to get it down to 1 week, though finishing out the interior would take longer."
"And the supers?"
"Iratar's main shipyard produces Capital Carriers at a remarkable pace. We don't expect that to happen here, but even building the base hull within 6 weeks should be possible thanks to their relatively simple construction. We've acquired some specialists from the South Reach League."
This is almost mind boggling. The little paranoid voice in your head is warning that with this sort of advanced tech they try to take it back when the war is over. Unless they're hoping you'll jump ship to their House.
>"I assume there is something Ber'helum seeks in return for such infrastructure upgrades?"
"Your support in our efforts to become the next Ruling House. Yes you wish to avoid an armed conflict between Ber'helum and Nirium at this time and we will attempt to avoid it as well for now. You need not openly declare your support but we would like it nonetheless."
Mediums, 1 week production eventually
Shukhant (7th Gen)
Alliance Medium Escort / Carrier
Others available upon suggestion
Supers, 6 week production eventually
Modified Mega Variant
Modified Champion / Forbearance Variant
>The strategic importance of the region can't be understated. We want to develop the local infrastructure of those committed to their alliance with us.
Would they be interested in building something like the huge terran space station we had to recover v-torps from in their territory? On a slightly more reasonable scale, of course?
>"The Medium yard would be analogous to a level 3 rapid assembly line
Are you pulling a fast one on my tstg? ONE week to get a Medium off the production line?! 6 weeks to create the hull of Super?!??!!? My dick couldn't possibly get any harder without bursting in an explosion of blood and sharks!
Now let's see.... If we are to look at this from a pure economical view then this is what I see. Mediums usually go for around 200 millions, give or take a couple of millions depending on the model. Our one example of the price of a Super is operation Typhoon when we captured that Super transport. We where offered 4 Billions for it and Ferigold said that was probably a fair price. 6 weeks of production could either then give us one ship worth 4 billions, roughly, OR we get Mediums worth 1.2 Billions. So the Super Yard would allow for more money.
Further more, would Ber'Helum be interesting in helping us build a level 3 Medium yard if we where able to get the finances for it ourselves. That way we could have both. Albit it would take a while for us to scrounge up the cash needed for the yard. Unless we take a huge load.
Preliminary I am with sleepy regarding the Super Heavy. Especially now that we have such good production data on it.
J-D could theoretically build the level three medium shipyard if we are able to afford it, right?
We couldn't get a SH shipyard simply by throwing money at it, I assume?
Would we be able to build FA designs once the Dominion civil war is over?
>Would we be able to build FA designs once the Dominion civil war is over?
Possibly, or at least a chance at the base hulls.
>Can we build dominion asteroid forts in the SH shipyard?
Not from that particular shipyard.
You'd need to buy the specialised drives from Ceres, find an asteroid, then build into that asteroid.
>Have the Shallans upgraded their medium to mk 2 yet?
Not to any major extent. Its hard enough to get the plasma weapons they already need unless they go with shorter ranged Dominion knockoffs.
Most upgrades have been in the form of heavier pulse cannon turrets and arrays, upgrades that can be added to any version of the ship built.
If you really really want it, you can get it.
I don't think you can support another station construction contract right now with the bases needed along the main transit route.
Also about that.
>The Ruling House plans to set up additional patrol and staging bases in the region to stall any future advances into the region. They would accept if you were to build suitable bases and allow them access.
>Or alternatively they're looking to contract Houses in the region to construct those bases for them and would be paid handsomely to do so.
You guys voted for Take territory and build bases. Do you want this debate reopened and added to the survey?
I think a problem with the super is that it will do practically nothing for jerik-dremine, while making the region a huge target.
We can't even crew another heavy cruiser at the moment, and a super heavy is an even bigger drain on resources.
So with that shipyard, we become a gigantic target while selling megas for barely any profit to ber'helum.
While nowhere nearly as fancy, the medium production line seems like a smarter choice.
> it will do practically nothing for jerik-dremine
It will allow us to strengthen our allies and bring us a larger amount of cash. Stronger allies mean more protection for the Relay since their strength comes from there. Eventually we will grow larger enough to be able to man more ships and when that time comes we will be ready. The Super yard is the long term plan. Besides if we only sell the Supers at production cost plus like 5 percentage we're still making a lot of money.
Also the big target means lots of ships for us to salvage once we, Ber'Helum and the RH are finished murdering them.
We could sell them to our Run Alliance, Houses in the relay are allied with. Use them as favours for Houses greater than us. Or simply sell them to the alliance. A heavy cruiser would solidify RH control or make Ber'Helum a contender. A super would demolish competition in the relay.
Or the RH might decide to murder us.
We already have a profit margin below 5% on most ships well sell to regular buyers. The supers will be much less. We'd also be a lot more limited with our sales simply by the fact that most of our allies can't afford one of these ships.
While it should be theoretically possible it will result in a weapon that's close to twice as massive making it useful only to orbital defense.
>We could get the medium at a later point
Just a heads up that the local resources may not be able to support a second advanced shipyard in the region. Only so much is mined, salvaged or refined in the Run for ship production.
If you do try to build a second yard it will need to be put somewhere else.
You let the Commander know that this is not a decision to be taken lightly and you wish to meet at a later time once you've had a chance to discuss matters with your House. Really you're certain you could sell either option to the House if you wanted to.
>Quietly suggest she set up a meeting with Eshik Medel? Y/N?
I think the big problem is that our only real ally capable of fielding multiple supers, let alone buying them, would be Ber'helum, the RH, and Helios.
We can't exactly sell to all three.
There may be a case for selling Megas to the FA, but we would need to contact someone high in the FA ranks to get a quiet assessment of if that is practical, considering they'll probably not want Dominion tier tech in a Mega they buy.
Hmmm, true. Selling all of them off might be a challenge. Can we talk to our finance experts in the house and RSS about this?
Ber'helum is definitely going to expect something from us after a huge bribe like this.
You make sure that the Knight Commander will quietly contact the Mercenary leader and resolve to check in with him later
Next on your tour is ambassador Vara Fauh'teth of House Helios.
"Baron Reynard, thank you for your efforts in the relay and for helping to end the blockade."
"Many of the Houses in the relay helped to end the blockade." You point out.
"And they will be thanked in turn. House Helios wants you to know we recognize your efforts to protect our allies in the region from the depredations of Nasidum and Bonrah. While events involving Iratar and the Terrans were unfortunate we're willing to put them behind us. There will be a number of opportunities available which may increase your standing with us further.
Depending on your success you could earn our favor, or possibly access to the now much more restricted siege cannons.
We'll be establishing an embassy on Rioja with your government's permission. Stop by when you have time and ask about special operations if you're interested."
Well that's certainly interesting. Gaining favour could let you request they give more consideration to Ber'helum as the next Ruling House. Helios siege cannons on the other hand would be a serious upgrade for Forbearance.
Anything you want to ask of the ambassador?
What's their opinion on the other large houses at the moment? Did they manage to finalize their alliance with the other neutral house?
How effective are their anti-matter torps, and can we have some?
Are they planning to buy a sector in the relay so they have some actual territory here?
How are they doing in general? Politically who are they leaning towards supporting more at the moment? Do they want to set up any heavy infrastructure in the run?
Can we broach to topic of researching the cooling beam with them?
>What's their opinion on the other large houses at the moment?
That everyone is too busy being opportunist and ignoring the real issues by trying to take the easy way out through conquest.
Things are still too disorganized to tell how they're going to turn out. Ruling House and Ber'helum are getting stronger from their early victories against the Aries aligned Houses.
>Did they manage to finalize their alliance with the other neutral house?
They have a loose alliance but won't commit to a full one until Che'len has stopped fighting Ber'helum and the Ruling House as Helios has little desire to join in on that.
>How effective are their anti-matter torps, and can we have some?
They're meant to be paired with specially modified Helios mediums that replace the siege cannon with a heavily armored torpedo loading and launch system. It's set up so that it can survive one of its warheads accidentally detonating before launch.
If you really want just some of the torpedoes yes you can get them, but you'd need an afterburner equipped ship to load them in mid flight. Unless you built a facility just to load those torpedoes.
>Are they planning to buy a sector in the relay so they have some actual territory here?
No, they're setting up their fleet at one of the local allied bases.
>How are they doing in general?
Unchanged from previous update. Pissed off at Bonrah for doing their pirate raiding bullshit and preparing for a full scale war with them if they get proper justification.
>Do they want to set up any heavy infrastructure in the run?
With the blockade down they're free to do so at their own pace. That much they're not really discussing with you.
>Cooling laser discussion at embassy
This okay with everyone?
Would any of the houses present be willing to sell us a system in drh4 once the civil war is over?
No colony, a world suitable for terraforming would be nice but not necessary, needs gas giant that supports fuel production.
Reason behind this is that drh4 is the dominion relay closest to the neeran empire, and we're either going to conquer some of their stuff sooner or later, or if there's some sort of peace trade will start up.
In either situation, a system with potential that has a very low chance of being hit by a scorcher in the mean time should be pretty valuable in the future, and cheap during the war.
Same question about the north-east dominion glaxy in the centri cluster. (reposted because wrong galaxy)
It would be impractical for us to hold during the Civil War, and someone could just occupy it, claim it as conquest, and then quickly sell it to someone.
We'd need to launch an expeditionary force just to try and reclaim it, later.
>ignoring the real issues
Neeran invasion, or the dysfunctional state of the dominion?
Che'len said something about trying to achieve an objective by fighting RH and Ber'h. What's it?
>There are numerous starship manufacturers present attempting to sell their attack cruiser designs to the minor local Houses. The Chevalier, Dragoon, and Nirium class
I'd be curious to hear the sales pitch for each of these. Do some offer interchangeable parts with other designs in the run? While not of much interest for J-D, this could be interesting for less well-off houses. The Dusk 2 and EC-K probably need a lot of specialized parts.
Please don't forget about these.
If I don't see any additional comments on either I'll go with this one.
>Would any of the houses present be willing to sell us a system in drh4 once the civil war is over?
You'll have to ask them then. Right now isn't the best time unless you'd like it as part of your victory conditions / rewards.
>Same question about the north-east dominion glaxy in the centri cluster.
That for sure is a no unless you want to spend your own money on it. The people out that way are not on the best terms with your House being mostly from Xygen I believe? Will have to check later.
>Neeran invasion, or the dysfunctional state of the dominion?
Trying to hang on to at least a quarter of the territory belonging to their former vassals. Things are not looking good on that front.
The Ruling House is too important to ignore, it's their ball. Eventually you meet with Count Al'mari Nirium. The opportunity to carry out raiding is always of interest to you and whether Ber'helum takes their place or not, they'll still be a powerful House.
The first issue brought up of course is the construction of stations in the smaller territory along the main navigation route. They want assurances that it will be done. If it will speed things up they can loan you a few modular stations and other assets but they'll need them back eventually.
Fortunately RSS can send ships within a short period including the mobile fuel refinery so you can set up gas stations along the navigation route and bring in additional income. It won't fully pay for the stations but it will reduce construction costs.
If Ber'helum were to loan you a gravity well generator you could probably block off all major trade routes through the relay now if you wanted.
[ ] Assure them the stations will be built
[ ] Oh they'll be built alright (suggest Ber'helum keep a gravity well handy)
[ ] There may be delays (Run defenses take priority)
[ ] Ask to renegotiate / other
>You'll have to ask them then.
Okay, I'll try to remember.
>Trying to hang on to at least a quarter of the territory belonging to their former vassals.
Have the ruling house and ber'helum considered to just hand that territory over in exchange for a peace treaty?
>That for sure is a no unless you want to spend your own money on it.
Could we pitch the idea to capture some territory in the area to Ber'helum, and maybe the other sane houses? The Dominion will have to expand eventually, and if Neeran space turns out to be unviable, the only directions that aren't blocked are east and south.
>[X] Assure them the stations will be built
>The Dusk 2 and EC-K probably need a lot of specialized parts.
The Dusk has been in continuous production for much longer than the Chevalier, Dragoon and Nirium classes. Its probably considerably more reliable than any of them.
Can we ask him what the RH is planning to do to defend their allied houses in our home galaxy?
Xygen and Nasidum have a lot of territory in that area.
Do they have any ideas how to fix it?
>[X] Assure them the stations will be built
I'm not really in favor of starting another open conflict in DRH1.
>I'm not really in favor of starting another open conflict in DRH1.
To expand on that, I'd really like to prevent anyof the large houses from gaining too much territory in the area. Having one of them dominate the relay will just cause trouble in the long run.
I'm perfectly fin with the current situation, well, maybe replacing bonrah with karbos could prove useful if we get the chance.
I'd like the grav well generator to help deal with Bonrah. Just having that would help with supply raiding. Use it to drag an enemy out of ftl at minimal range then crank it to full power and slaughter them all. Almost like what happened with the Zeus.
No the Terrans have it on lock down, especially after Iratar made it clear they would still sell arms to the Dominion through the civil war.
Dusk 2 is also fairly new and only just gained the ability to carry afterburners because of their newer engine system.
True but it could be incredibly useful when trying to delay people you're not on good terms with.
With assurances that the stations will be built one way or the other you move on to the next item of business.
It seems Che'len is looking for outside support from Iratar.
While their vassal states are self destructing or being swallowed by the other majors they've looked to help from Iratar. The Kavarian megacorp is very interested in sabotaging the finances of their renegade competitors and have been offering substantial discounts provided it results in damage to Aries and GE. They've publicly announced that they will not accept payments in the form of land, property or nobility in the hopes of maintaining the moral high ground.
The Ruling House wants raiders to intercept or steal inbound ships, weapons and equipment in an attempt to weaken Che'len further. This will strengthen both Ber'helum and RH. Preventing Iratar built siege cannons from reaching their destination is the highest priority.
"Any assistance your House can offer would be appreciated. If unavailable we'll understand."
>Arms convoy raids unlocked!
Fadila gets your attention once you've finished talking with the Count.
You have access to cloaked transports. While dangerous it may be possible to ensure some of those heavy weapons reach Che'len with your assistance. You could use the goodwill earned from such an act to ensure they support your choice of who should be next Ruling House once the fighting stops.
In the short term this could hurt your relations with Ber'helum and the Ruling House if they found out, but in the long term it would be positive result.
Add this one to the survey?
>Add this one to the survey?
How did Helios end up being so sensible?
>You have access to cloaked transports.
Can we start building cloaking devices in the run?
>No the Terrans have it on lock down
They'll have little chance to keep it exclusive once the civil war is over, right?
Can we get some background on Che'len? Are they the weakest of the big houses? How did they end up in their current situation?
Are the pink regions in the middle of the centri galaxies on the maps of dominion territory nav hazard zones?
>Preventing Iratar built siege cannons from reaching their destination
We have a fair bit of goodwill with Iratar if I remember correctly. They even unlocked access to their 'admiralty' tier items for us.
We might just have to talk to them and ask them about not supplying Che'len.
I know we usually side with Ber'helum because they're allround decent but I don't like what they're doing with Che'len.
They and the Ruling House just seem like greedy bullies, who go for the easy target instead of taking out Nasidum and their allies.
>How did Helios end up being so sensible?
They've been considered the 2nd most powerful House, at least politically, since the Dro'all first developed FTL. They have worked hard to maintain that position and the respect of most other Houses. They are the ones who pass up power for themselves if it results in longer term stability.
This has bit them in the ass on more than a few occasions.
>Can we start building cloaking devices in the run?
Maybe small numbers. Want a lab for studying them added to the university?
The House has begun limited production of the new advanced cloaked ship. One is being added to your forces but its cloak has not been upgraded with the advanced one Winifred's R&D are working on.
>Che'len? Are they the weakest of the big houses?
>How did they end up in their current situation?
Taking the hands off the reins when it comes to their minor allied Houses and not paying enough attention. They became as powerful as they did largely by chance, with others trying to deal with more important threats.
>Are the pink regions in the middle of the centri galaxies on the maps of dominion territory nav hazard zones?
Sort of yes. Gravity wells around the cores of galaxies can make navigation difficult if the stars are packed too tightly.
>is the deci battleship a 1000-1200m square?
Yes. It's like if a Kilo had been quartered more or less.
>We might just have to talk to them and ask them about not supplying Che'len.
You've unlocked access to buy a lot of items from their catalog, not dictate who they do business with.
I think we have enough for this survey. Anything else can go on another. Link will be posted on the wiki.
>Yes. It's like if a Kilo had been quartered more or less.
Thank you. That would put the ship's diagonal at ~1500-1700m.
If we rotate the hull design by 90 degrees so it looks like a diamond, would it be possible to use it as a low cost platform for the terran light siege cannon, or a light version of iratar's fusion siege weapon?
Kinda like a centurion equivalent a few weapon categories larger.
>In the short term this could hurt your relations with Ber'helum and the Ruling House if they found out, but in the long term it would be positive result.
> If they found out
I'm just saying, we could probably get away with this since CLOAKED TRANSPORTS yo.
I wonder, could we possible lend them to some Mercs to use for it, for another degree of separation? I would imagine that we could put some sort of failsafe device in it like say a big fucking bomb that would blow up if they took too long to come back.
We probably wouldn't make money off it that way, but we are more concerned about the influence anyways.
>>SRL Relations slightly increased!
If possible, I'd like to install a few teleporter capsules on the super heavies as a gift for these guys. They really helped us a lot by showing up in time.
Guess I'm misremembering some things. The Deci isn't that big though. Definitely no longer than 1200m.
>They and the Ruling House just seem like greedy bullies, who go for the easy target instead of taking out Nasidum and their allies.
RH were hoping to secure new territories, strengthen themselves and destroy a threat to the Dominion all at once.
Ber'helum and others have gone after Houses believed to have been taken over by foreign corps because if they didn't the Ruling House would, so it might as well be them.
They're the same, the Mega just is longer so there's more ship.
There have only been 4 votes if you guys want me to re-start it and make some changes.
>There have only been 4 votes if you guys want me to re-start it and make some changes.
Alright. Might want to add which attack cruiser design we want to support.
before I go to bed I wanted to ask what the house thinks of our antics, and whether the earl is getting promoted soon.
Wouldn't mind a more expanded survey even though I filled out the other one. Keeps things smooth to get more on the table. Also would raiding the convoy piss Iratar off? On one hand once they've sold it and its out of their territory I see them caring less, and it seems their selling to many competing factions within the dominion so they won't likely be put off too much. On the other it is their merchandise we're filching, and other factors I'm not thinking of may exist. Are the transports Iratar property? Would think that while they want to sell the guns its a little iffy to send your own personal merchant craft through an active war zone.
I have too many surveys on my account so I cant clear question results. Have to make a copy which means a new survey link will be added shortly.
>Might want to add which attack cruiser design we want to support.
That's going to have to wait for another one, along with Frigates.
>Also would raiding the convoy piss Iratar off?
Not if they're ships owned by House Che'len.
Iratar isn't crazy enough to send their own transports into a war zone. Che'len or intermediaries have to pick up the weapons. Either from Iratar bases or from rendezvous points.
>have a write-in box for question 5
Would putting a write in box for other things for the University be fine? Because bringing cloaking tech in there seems like either a yes or a no.
>Would putting a write in box for other things for the University be fine? Because bringing cloaking tech in there seems like either a yes or a no.
I wanted to suggest a separate facility for it.
>The Deci isn't that big though. Definitely no longer than 1200m.
I've drawn it very quickly and without making it look pretty but the basic idea is in the image.
Statement recovered before I delete the old survey:
>They can have the base but not the torpedo Armour.
Then they're going to want some of that orbital industry they were first looking into when their agreement was originally made.
Armor + base was their counter proposal to you not wanting them to take industry.
That's actually a pretty good idea. I agree with the other anon that there could be problems if you used an original one but that has given me ideas.
The best people to build this quickly are of course Iratar. Who if you'll remember also bought back the modified EC-K designs... and may be selling them to other Houses of the Dominion right now.
There's Tarketta, they're used to modifying tech from a number of disparate sources.
>That's actually a pretty good idea.
Thanks. If the Deci hull is 1200m per side, you end up with slightly less than 1700m in the diagonal, which should be as long as the house transport. While technically still using a BB hull, which allows for faster, cheaper, and more widespread construction.
> I agree with the other anon that there could be problems if you used an original one but that has given me ideas.
As long as it gets done with R?S as an equal partner, I don't really care.
I kinda imagined the kavarians built the deci/pico/mega from mostly the same components in a modular construction system.
E.g. a minor redundant bridge of a mega becomes the regular bridge of a deci, maneuvering thrusters of a mega become the main engines on a kilo etc.
What's the effective difference between those two?
I'm still not sure how Iratar plans to damage Aries and other competition by giving discounts to the Major House responsible for letting Aries and others gain control of their smaller allies...
Is Che'len fighting the RH, Ber'helum, and the Aries-takeovers?
Or is Iratar trying to undercut the competition by supplying cheaper weapons?
>What's the effective difference between those two?
Totally different companies.
Tarketta is officially a Terran corporation (yes, another one I know) but they tend to stay out of the spotlight, selling mid range, cheap or generalist tech and ships. They were first created to reverse engineer captured Kavarian Tech.
The company has become so subdivided over the years that it's a shadow of its former self. Elements of Tarketta still operate many of the Terran military's shipyards but really have no control over them. Their black projects divisions are still active, cut off from everyone.
Elements of the company that operate through the Dominion and South Reach usually provide to secondary markets and will hire anyone regardless of species. The public branch of the company started selling Jenning class assault corvettes and their upgrades to just about anyone years ago, building up quite a presence in South Reach in the process
They also produced the U-Haul transport and now alliance escort carriers and destroyers. Mostly they're considered sub par thanks to marketing campaigns from GE and Aries, but have done little to challenge this.
They've seen a resurgence of late and assisted J-D and the Run Alliance with establishing the attack cruiser yards in the Run, as well as providing specialists to DHI for the early EX-K program.
DHI is rumored to be making efforts to buy out their remaining company resources and personnel within the DRH 1 Relay.
You could contract them to redesign the deci but it will be a bit harder to get it into production than if you go with Iratar. Then again you may prefer that.
>Is Che'len fighting the RH, Ber'helum, and the Aries-takeovers?
Z5X Heavy Drone. -Ruling House Exclusive
Got the 10 and X mixed up and put the wrong one up.
Does the Terketta branch we'd be working with have access to siege weapons? Would it be feasible to use 2 medium plasma cannons instead when siege cannons are not available?
If we contract them for the redesign, what's the chance they'll just sell it behind our backs?
>now alliance escort carriers and destroyers
The alliance has a destroyer design available? Can it be built in frigate yards?
Anything new in their catalogue?
>"Third oldest capital world of any House." States a visiting Admiral. "Only Ber'helum and Astalen have held theirs longer, and Astalen barely counts."
What's House Astalen like?
>Does the Terketta branch we'd be working with have access to siege weapons?
Terketta doesn't have access to them. None of their divisions do.
>Would it be feasible to use 2 medium plasma cannons instead when siege cannons are not available?
I was actually going to suggest it.
>If we contract them for the redesign, what's the chance they'll just sell it behind our backs?
Depends on the agreement made with them.
The EC-K deal with Iratar to use their K-Type attack cruiser hull was very clear. You guys would be selling back the modified design so they could make use of a version with sublight drives more powers could use. It just so happens those other powers may be other Houses now. At least you're getting some money out of it.
Shouldn't have called it that but couldn't remember the name. The Escort Carrier and Escort Cruiser are built off the same hull. The escort cruiser is listed by the Alliance as a destroyer so I tend to remember that. It carries ECM and extra torpedo magazines or fuel for assault corvette squadrons on longer range deployment. They can also haul ships back to base.
Can't use high maneuver drives so they stay out of direct combat.
>Anything new in their catalogue?
Can't remember off the top of my head atm.
>What's House Astalen like?
Falling asleep, see you guys in the morning!
I'll continue running until we fall off the page or I have to leave for work for 4PM.
> Sprawling Bureaucratic mess of a company
> Multiple active black projects divisions
> Doesn't seem to give much of a concern to competing in the free market
> Builds up presence in conflicted areas
Jesus fuck that's kind of creepy when you think of the Terran tendency towards spec-ops.
Berhelum and the ruling house have been capturing aries controlled houses, have they been fortunate enough to secure a factory for surface/contour shields?
I would really like to focus somes research on that technology, as we seem to use quite a few ship types where a shield that resembles the to profile of the ship would probably reduce the hit zone under favourable circumstances a lot.
>While most common starship shields are bubble shaped, surface shields -sometimes called contour shields- much more closely conform to the shape of the ship's hull reducing the size of its profile. This can make narrower ships like certain attack cruiser designs or corvettes more difficult to hit. Their high cost means that few are built or deployed.
>Members of the Terran Admiralty will sometimes requisition them for use by elite units. Their manufacturers have traditionally been banned from selling them to the Dominion but some get through.
>Aries is known to sell them occasionally but at highly inflated prices.
Couldn't post this while the thread was active because work got in the way.
What are the houses at the ball planning for the post-neeran war future of the dominion? More continuous infighting or trying to cannibalize our neighbours or allies don't seem particularly appealing.
Is anybody building J-28 or even better FTL exploration ships at the moment? Or at least planning to? Is the guild currently scouting new territory?
Also, what do these guys think about veritas?
Do they know who showed up at the very end of the invasion of the knights errant's system?
>Trying to hang on to at least a quarter of the territory belonging to their former vassals. Things are not looking good on that front.
Have they considered making peace with Ber'helum in return for some territory so they can concentrate on the RH? Trying to fight them both simultaneously seems silly when they don't expect to hold onto all their turf anyway.
>Remember that Universities often publish their findings for peer review, and are inherently vulnerable to information leaks. We should probably keep the University from working on anything like cloaking in order to better preserve any gains we make.
>Please don't forget about these.
Representatives of Kharbos look to be somewhat busy at the moment so you find one of the unoccupied Faction Alliance officers. You spot Eldal on the way over, he looks to be having fun as far as you can tell.
A Rovinar by the name of Colonel Agama is the first you encounter that is unoccupied.
"Baron Reynard, the Alliance is well aware of the dangers posed by the Dominion Civil war, but we hope you haven't forgotten the threat posed by the Neeran. We would like permission to continue our recruitment efforts within your territory but accept that may not be possible with recruitment drives for your own military."
>What is your opinion on continued Alliance Recruitment in the region?
>>What is your opinion on continued Alliance Recruitment in the region?
I would like everyone interested to have the option to go to the Alliance instead of Inter-Dominion war, but competing with other recruitment drives is not good for either of us.
>Let the have recruitment stations but ask for any campaigns to be subdued. Keep the Alliance in the public eye, but no aggressive recruitment until the local threat is over.
>>What is your opinion on continued Alliance Recruitment in the region?
It would probably best to coordinate with the recruitment for the house military. If people want to join the military but dislike the dominion infighting, the fa should be offered as an alternative.
We could offer a program to count kills in FA service towards promotions in the house military, so talented people would still have an incentive to come back.
>What is your opinion on continued Alliance Recruitment in the region?
I'd prefer for the Alliance to continue recruitment, but only if we can dictate a maximum number every week or month or so. We'll have to check in with our military commanders to see what's acceptable though.
It should be fine as long as they coordinate with the local military.
Would it be possible to have them send an alliance representative in order to talk about selling them materiel (when we can afford to do that), and to get an update about those secret projects we visited?
Alliance recruitment has been erratic in the region.
Your own recruitment efforts have largely been focused on the rapid expansion of your ground forces. Most of those joining up are either people who have moved here from the House homeworlds, including the former Erid territories, or Shallan refugees.
It has been difficult to convince Terran refugees to join the House military in any capacity aside from the PDF or logistics.
Because of Rioja's small population overall recruitment has begun to drop off, but it may increase again now that the blockade is down an more immigrants are arriving from J-D space.
>I would like everyone interested to have the option to go to the Alliance instead of Inter-Dominion war, but competing with other recruitment drives is not good for either of us.
>Let them have recruitment stations but ask for any campaigns to be subdued.
>It would probably best to coordinate with the recruitment for the house military. If people want to join the military but dislike the dominion infighting, the fa should be offered as an alternative.
>but only if we can dictate a maximum number every week or month or so.
Subdued recruitment campaigns by the Alliance. Recruitment stations would coordinate with those belonging to the House or at least be grouped in with other locations from your own military.
Would this be acceptable?
Most of J-D's worlds in the Run have fairly small populations. Many people left during the Warlord period.
The other one in Sonia's zone is an agricultural world orbiting a red dwarf. You could increase recruitment efforts there.
Recruitment in the Avoubic system has largely been restricted to starship crews and engineers.
The other colony Saputo had been developing with plans to become Baron of has been expanding its PDF so that it can handle itself. You can insist on them setting up an army for off-world use, even bring them to Rioja to train, but once someone becomes Baron of that world they'll want that army for their own use.
Begin to set up the second army?
>We could offer a program to count kills in FA service towards promotions in the house military, so talented people would still have an incentive to come back.
Since the Alliance tends to promote people based as much on command skill that might be a good addition as well. A few other Houses have enacted similar systems in an attempt to lure back some of those who have left to go fight the Neeran.
Bekka's friend Velsa Risan has been off fighting in the war for a few years now.
Invite her back the next time she has leave? She might not stay for long but it would be a step in the right direction.
Or would you like to send the suggestion to the Earl?
>Begin to set up the second army?
We should probably talk to Saputo about it.
Would a place like that qualify for a baron? I'd guess with enough stations, some planets without a colonized planets can have millions of inhabitants.
Invite her back the next time she has leave? She might not stay for long but it would be a step in the right direction.
>Or would you like to send the suggestion to the Earl?
I'm against potentially damaging what Dominion contributions to the FA are still in service to the FA.
We should see if any of ours feel the need to return, but attempts to poach them will only damage the Dominion''s standing in the FA and drain the FA further during this crisis.
>Begin to set up the second army?
Yes. It will boost our own capabilities and allow us to prepare the planet for when it will get it's own Baron. Which they will hopefully be grateful for.
>Or would you like to send the suggestion to the Earl?
Send it. The Dominion, and more importantly our House, needs all the soldiers it can gain right now and this is an excellent way of attracting people to us.
Also I still so very split between the Super or Medium yards.
Set up the army. I am sure Saputo will be glad that he will have a army ready for him once he takes over the planet. Also send the suggestion to the Earl. We need to grow and what better way to do so than to get battle hardened pilots straight from the Neeran front.
Sorry a thing came up and I thought my email had been hacked.
>I'm against potentially damaging what Dominion contributions to the FA are still in service to the FA.
>We should see if any of ours feel the need to return, but attempts to poach them will only damage the Dominion''s standing in the FA and drain the FA further during this crisis.
There are two ways you could go about this as I see it
1) Primarily from the point of view of getting alliance personnel to come back to the Dominion.
2) Promoting Alliance service with the promise of reward from the House upon their return.
I suppose some combination are certainly possible but it will be harder to stress the marketing of both without promoting one over the other.
>1) Primarily from the point of view of getting alliance personnel to come back to the Dominion.
Telling people to actively go to the Alliance, while noble, would be a foolish move on our part that will only serve to have the House displeased with us. I'd rather we not perform another Helios blunder if we can avoid it.
So either we promote for Alliance personal to return home or we just let it be as is. At lest how I see it.
Option 2 seems like something we should do once the civil war has been resolved.
I would be okay with it if the FA recruiters were allowed to mention the fact to people who will either join the FA with that incentive, or not join any military at all.
The problem with trying to bring FA people back to JD is that we effectively act against the FA's interests. It will also result in less Dominion pilots earning rank in the FA, further damaging the long term standings of the Dominion within the FA.
If we recall our skilled pilots, we end up staying lower ranked in the FA. If we want influence, we must cultivate skilled commanders that can earn promotions while we solve civil war issues.
We are effectively fighting two fronts right now. Pulling everyone from the long term front to fight the short term one is not wise
If the Alliance were able to provide discrete assistance to the houses who support, and have a history of supporting the Alliance, the civil war would be over much sooner and regular expeditionary fleets could resume.
You should not attempt to paint the front of your house will the back of it is on fire. The Dominion must come first and foremost for the moment. The sooner we can resolve this conflict and end the civil war the sooner we can return to Shallan space in full force.
I'd go as far as to claim that trying to support the Alliance right now is the short term goal instead of unifying the Dominion once more to return in full force. But I guess that's a mater of perspective.
>or we just let it be as is
That is also an option.
The Alliance charter directly forbids interfering with the politics of member Factions.
The Terrans are already taking steps some of which you're aware of. It's not quite certain what the Rovinar and Krath are doing.
For now it looks like we're going with inviting some officers back during their months of leave at the very least. The suggestion will be sent to the Earl.
>It's not quite certain what the Rovinar and Krath are doing.
Could we ask them? They might see Sonia as an incredibly profit-driven individual but hopefully recognize her as sensible enough to at least talk to.
It would be more like a wild fire (Neeran) and a secondary fire near fuel storage (Civil War), not painting a burning building.
You can't ignore either one at the expense of the other, because they'll both threaten what you want to protect.
>>It's not quite certain what the Rovinar and Krath are doing.
>Could we ask them?
"So Eldal, about the civil war and your people's involvement. What are you doing?"
"I meant your people in general."
"We are observing. If we were to interfere on a larger scale it would give the Dominion as a whole cause to invade us at a later time. While we're very efficient in combat it's more costly than we prefer.
That doesn't mean we're afraid to fight. It would just be... bad. For everyone."
You consider asking more but decide this may not be the best time or place.
The shipyard at the graveyard closer to Magdalena will need some repairs and upgrades but can be brought up to speed. Between it and the yards in the Run you have a chance to shift what most minor Houses in the region use.
DHI and people from the shipyards at Avoubic are hoping to promote the EC-K, though the newer model Dusk class isn't out of the question.
The Nirium is intended to be outfitted with any number of weapon combinations, but mostly sticks with a pair of twin linked phase cannons or with Pulse cannons. Its a bit smaller than other attack cruisers reducing costs and making them slightly harder to hit, but this costs them in terms of additional equipment carried.
The Chevalier is nothing really out of the ordinary. An attack cruiser that is visually similar to the Knight class relying primarily upon readily available phase cannon weapons. Maintenance wise this is a better choice for some who would prefer to stay away from twin linked weaponry.
The Dragoon as its name implies can be fitted with afterburners, any of the types currently available. They can also be equipped with a pair of spinal mount LD plasma cannons, though this mean removing the afterburners or high maneuver drives to make room. This makes them one of the few ships that can match up to the Dusk's firepower.
Do you want to promote one of your designs to the local Houses or not so much?
Nirium goes right out the window as it seems to be the poorest of all the proposed ships. I can see it becoming the Light Crusier equivalent of the Guard Cruiser however. I also dislike it's wide profile.
Chevalier is meh
Dragoon looks very promising however. Especially the LD and AB options for it.
EC-K has served us faithfully so far, ever since the EX-K.
Dusk however has grown on me. It's regular firepower combined with the LD cannons it can equip along with the fact that is just looks so cool just makes it seem so solid. Speed, armor and firepower. It's exactly what we want in a Attack Cruiser.
So I'll throw my vote in for supporting the Dusk with good words for the Dragoon and the EC-K.
You ask your diplomats and officers to do what they can to promote the Dusk and EC-K in their different roles. The Dusk as a direct combat ship and the EC-K in a support role but still able to take on their share fo fighting.
Iratar and Kharbos are trying to sell their current Frigate designs. You manage to listen in on a sales pitch from the Kavarian.
"Everyone trying to upgrade production to assault corvettes where they can, but the problem is that they're extremely high maintinence. Few Houses can replace their entire fleet, and you know as well as anyone that you need good pilots to make the most use of the newer ships. Those assigned to defending local systems will need to make do with older models.
But attack corvettes need some extra firepower at times. By upgrading to mixed units with only a few of our newer model Firestorm Frigates you'll greatly increase their punch and survivability."
With Iratar also selling their version of the EC-K they would probably try to sell them to fill the gap in such a formations ECM capability. They're probably reluctant to advertise them you and your people nearby knowing you'd get the bulk of the sales.
Then again Kharbos is selling their Frigates too, which can can be finished with lower cost systems, including ECM Packages. You also know they could take over support roles filled by older Frigates including troop landing.
[ ] Hijack sales pitch to promote EC-K (Bonus to Firestorm + EC-K)
[ ] Point out the lack of ECM support, let them dig their own grave (Bonus to Firestorm + EC-K)
[ ] Hold off, see if you can help Kharbos out (Bonus to modular assault corvette/Frigate)
[ ] Other
You mean Iratar?
One of the Kharbos Frigate mods has ECM.
I need to leave for work. We're in autosage and it looks like someone archived the thread the other day. Survey will remain open for a few days. Please don't vote multiple times.
Please continue to discuss what sort of frigate(s) you would like to promote if any.
See you whenever the next game is held!
I am not the biggest fan of Frigates but if we must have them then the Modular Frigate from Kharbos would probably be the best since they can be used together with our Corvettes should the need call for it. I am still not sure, as before when this came out, just how good this actually is. But I am sure getting a few wont hurt if only for us to gauge their combat capability. Would work well the possibility of raiding for the RH since then they would see plenty of combat.