>>44861894 You haven't made a new best friend, you've found someone who you think you might love but is actually planning on eating your soul and looting your wallet. As she's a literal succubus, as opposed to any other allusion that one can make from the above statement.
>>44861538 Depends on the type of "fight." Knock-down-drag-out brawl, no. I'm kinda shitty, and she's, ya know, a demon. Arguments, not really. Literal pissing match, yes. Coed naked oil/pudding/condiment wrestling, very no, there are no losers there.
>>44861795 >join online game >evil and monstrous PCs >play an incubus >rape cute female NPCs in villages we raid >DM tells me not to act out rapist fantasies just because it's an evil game >tell DM my fantasy is to be on the receiving end of what my PC is doing >"I didn't know you were a girl."
>>44863226 I'm imagining one of those "instant loss 2 panel comics" that are sort of popular in Japanese culture.
Panel 1: armored adventurer bravely standing firm: "I'll never lose against a succubus!" Panel 2: stripped bare adventurer with his soul fucked out and cum everywhere "In the end, I couldn't win against a succubus..."
>>44863666 >Assfat sounds so very retarded. And I only hear about it in relation to souls being turned into assfat Eh, I sorta get it, it's a mix of stupid and fetish that can be applied to succubi due to the whole "succubi eat souls" thing so I can see it working as a joke or fetish
Mind you I'm a vorefag so I may be biased, though
>>44863695 I don't think it works that way outside of a few porns
>>44862915 in the urban fantasy setting I'm collabing on, there's a pretty good reason for that; Incubi/succubi are not terribly strong or sturdy compared to other fiends. They're not much better off physically than just a prime-condition human, and without their magic could be killed by a normal human shanking them with a knife a lot.
What they have going for them is the ability to physically change forms at will, the ability to drain others to heal or strengthen themselves, and illusions.
Even one of the first fallen angels can't take a plain bullet to the head (and spent half a final fight licking his wounds from a broken leg). But what he can do is basically use a Dead Ringer style spell and keep it always readied so he can survive at least one sneak attack.
So, while in theory they could be knights, there's no real benefit compared to say... A More bruiser-y demon.
>>44864811 Going into battle while riding less intelligent and far stronger demons allows them to make better use of otherwise mindless brutes, all while their illusions control the flow of battle. And if they are wounded, they need only drain their steed for a quick pick me up.
Normally no but our DM got really pervy with it, and had her like, take our characters over her knee and firmly tan their hides with a crop and say we'd been bad boys and girls and enslave us and treat us rudely.
Given their sexual nature and having the hormones of teenagers, I can imagine any time an incubus or succubus killed someone, they'd feel obligated to Teabag the body. Possibly while shouting "360 noscope!"
>Would you still have a boner if all those hot succubi women acted like 14 old 'gamer girls' and asked you to talk like Pewdiepie in the sack?
>>44865536 Well that's about it, she enslaved us and treated us like naughty children and her a teacher, and had us dress accordingly and gave out weird punishments, all the while showing us off to her demon friends on leashes and stuff.
>>44865384 The D&D succubus actually functions pretty well in a military leader role, especially if given a class like Blackguard or Paladin that allows them to really make use of their particularly high charisma.
I'll agree that they're not intended for direct combat, but they're certainly tougher than most human knights, and their abilities can be downright terrifying when there's plenty of weak-willed soldiers to control.
In the end, Succubi are demons of Lust, and while that most often refers to sexual lust, lust can take other forms, including a lust for knowledge (Like Fall-from-Grace), or in the case of a Succubus Knight, Bloodlust.
>>44865682 I think people tend to get kind of needlessly hung up on using succubi. An enrinyes is pretty much entirely what you're describing, only specialized for it, but there's also tons of demons and devils with high charisma that are also suited to controlling a lot of soldiers.
I mean at the end of the day they're all fucking demons that will tear you in half if they want (and they probably do unless they're PC or DMPC bullshit), but a succubus really is a sex demon
>>44863226 Even if they are more geared towards intrique than combat, they are still CR8 demons with higher than human strenght, damage resistance, ability drain on touch and access to multiple powerful spell-like abilities. And since they are geared towards intrique, with ability to cast spells like alter self and charm person, you're pretty much never going to fight on on your terms.
>>44863446 >>44863666 >Assfat sounds so very retarded. And I only hear about it in relation to souls being turned into assfat. Not that person, but it's a meme. That's how memes work, and they tend to sound retarted.
>>44865848 It's funny, because originally, the Erinyes was just as ill-suited for combat as the succubus was. But, I can agree with the decision to make Erinyes essentially Hell's shock troopers, even though it made them fall into the background a bit.
I will agree that the Erinyes does deserve a bit more spotlight and the succubus gets far too much, but I don't agree with the idea that the succubus is simply a sex demon in D&D. It's one of those things where they dance around the topic in an almost PG manner (with nothing more explicit than a kiss, an embrace, or "an act of passion") and while it lends itself quite easily to its mythological roots as a wet dream demon, the D&D succubus is more concerned with temptation and corruption, which often takes more forms than simply "lay with me tonight and I'll take your soul."
>>44869084 Sex monsters in general are a childish concept. If you're happy with the quality of your game being diminished by immaturity, that's fine. But you get to sit in the baby corner with the rest of the people who aren't ready to leave their high school fantasies behind and focus on legitimate roleplaying.
>>44861538 No, but I did get embarrassed when I used one as a club after it dominated me to hit the cleric in the face. Admittedly, my minotaur had a fighting style summed up as "use what's on hand to fight, especially other people", and she was at hand...
>>44869855 If you think that "every" monster could be a meme, you are literally and objectively false. You are the one with no concept of what a meme is. Deal with it, fuckboy. And just because a concept is old doesn't mean it's good, or adds anything worthwhile to a roleplaying experience, and I'm sure nobody posting in this thread right now would run a succubus in any kind of meaningful way that holds to the spirit of the old myths anyway. You faggots are only here to jack each other off about waifus.
Stop posting, you petulant child. Your favorite "kawaii" fantasy fuck-demon is a shit concept.
>>44869934 >I'm sure nobody posting in this thread right now would run a succubus in any kind of meaningful way that holds to the spirit of the old myths anyway. See >>44866191, that anon pretty much sums it up with >while it lends itself quite easily to its mythological roots as a wet dream demon, the D&D succubus is more concerned with temptation and corruption, which often takes more forms than simply "lay with me tonight and I'll take your soul."
>>44869934 You know a fuckboy is somebody who slays pussy all day every day, right? Like, it's an insult from women, to imply the man has no integrity. From a man, you're just saying hes more sexually potent than you.
>>44871403 I think it's more a magical realm thing. Sure the incubus can be used as a seducer and manipulator, but often i've only seen them done as rapists. There was even a recent story on /tg/ about a player tried to summon a incubus to seduce the BBEG, lost control of it, was forced to watch it rape her violently, and managed to escape as it summoned another incubus who also joined the rape. Each of them ripped her in half to satisfy themselves, one with the bottom, the other with the top..
As for your party's paladiness, knowingly giving into evil is very unholy and should be grounds for falling.
Whenever an incubus has shown up in games i've played it's always been a seducer and distracter. Usually we discover the ruse, and banish the demon.
In games I run, succubi and incubi are the same kind of demon, and they're the seducer and manipulator, rarely the killer. If they kill, they are the honeytrap, seduce you into a moment of vulnerability and weakness, then kill you because they're demons, not highschool bad boys.
>>44872159 Succubard, Succubarian, and Succuzards are perfectly legitimate alternate character classes!
One of my players was constantly humiliated by succubi in a short campaign, but that one was (as requested) a proper no holds barred magical (burst) realm where they were contracted by the succubi to be magical girls.
While the other (previously male) girl jumped right into the deep end of corruption and ended up turning into a timestopping clockwork demon robot sexbot magical girl thing the other one was transformed from an athletic swimmer into an angelic winged magical girl with water elemental powers.
She was powered by shame and associated arousal and it included a literal holy waterfall between her legs.
>>44872444 How can you be a robot and a sexbot? I mean, throwing in demons and clockwork and magical girls, I can understand that. But a sexbot would be a kind of robot - it's like saying claymore sword.
4e has an incubus be the curropted demon form of succubus (4e succubi are devils)
There was a dragon article on succubae that basically said, hey, people don't actually know the cosmology that well, so characters will used succubi and incubbi to refer to apparent sex of the devils/demons involved.
>>44872444 >Succubard, Succubarian, and Succuzards are perfectly legitimate alternate character classes! Neither barbarian and wizard really have much abilities that synch up well with being a succubus (a barbarian would like the extra DR and ability drain, but a wizard doesn't really gain much, especially since they can casts the succubus's spell-like abilities as spells anyway). I'm not sure what LA a succubus would have (although I'm sure they're statted as playable somewhere), but I'm quessing it's pretty high.
Succubus bard, on the other hand...The high charisma and abilities focused on diplomacy/seduction synch really well with the bard using charisma as their primary stat and having having lots of social skills as class skills. Plus bards have a reputation of fucking everything that moves and a succubus is a literal sex-fiend who eats peoples souls by fucking them. It's a match made in heaven (or rather, the abyss)! A succubard could be absolutely terrifying. Almost as bad as the succuthrallherd.
>>44873364 >tfw they fuck >tfw it results in a half-fiend half-dragon (or quarter dragon or something) bard child.
Also, a bard lich or vampire would also be a good match for a succubard. Succubus' soul drain does negative energy damage, right? Undead are healed by negative energy, so having sex with a succubus would just make them get stronger. A lichbard could literally fuck a succubus to submission
>>44873406 Sorry to burst your bubble but the energy drain spell and the enervate spell give temp HP to undead as a special case effect. The energy drain supernatural ability doesn't work even REMOTELY similar.
Undead sucking out energy from a succubus during sex, however, could be houseruled to work like the COMPLETELY UNUSED Power Surge ability, which does indeed work like energy drain in reverse (wounding the user to give the target a +x to all d20 rolls).
Its interesting to me that there's a supernatural ability in 3.x that is completely unused and neglected.
Cap = succubus's constitution, at which point the succubus cannot go again, probably.
Incubi in their 3e and 4e writeups are MOST DEFINITELY rape monsters. In their 3e writeups they are ostracized due to their ravenous attentions tending to continue until their partner is dead, and their wisdom draining kiss most definitely cannot kill people, so that's not what they're talking about. The 4e incarnation seems very rape oriented as well, and moreso in terms of powers.
>>44873470 Depends on the setting etc. etc. Copout I know. The most D&D-accurate response, however, and the only one true to all editions, is that she would try to figure out a way to get soul corruption out of it, like perhaps by claiming you have to obey her now.
...you may have noticed that there's massive dissonance in fantasy settings whether succubi are demons OF lust (ie fucking is the goal) or demons that USE lust (ie. fucking is a tool).
I'd expect lust demons to playfully bully you until you get incensed enough to overpower her.
>>44873525 What if she's evil, but just highly incompetent? The kind that appears menacing at first and threatens to make you a slave to lust, but blushes furiously and runs away in embarrassment after the mere mention of holding hands?
>>44873563 Furrys are pretty clearly defined as antropomorphic animals. Succubi are more like monstergirls than anything.
>>44873604 I like that kind of characters but implementing one in a game would be very difficult. If it was an antagonists the PCs would probably kill it on the first appearance, and as a PC your characterization would boil down to justifying why your good actions are totally evil.
>>44873847 What's it like to be such a pedantic autist? How does it feel to get so anally ravaged when you see someone use the word "meme" that you have to post a merriam-webster link on an imageboard? Get memed on kiddo.
>>44873865 I did have the last word, though. I'm no longer going to sit in the play pen with an idiot child who doesn't understand what he's talking about, so I'm removing myself from your shit discussion.
Anyway, you clearly don't actually care about having an intelligible argument anymore, which suits me fine, since you've consistently proven yourself to not be worth giving any more attention to.
This will be my last reply. I'm actually done with this thread.
>>44873436 >Sorry to burst your bubble but the energy drain spell and the enervate spell give temp HP to undead as a special case effect. The energy drain supernatural ability doesn't work even REMOTELY similar.
>Undead template includes: >Not subject to critical hits, nonlethal damage, ability drain, or energy drain. The lich or vampire in question is fine.
>>44874038 They aren't normally healed by energy draining attacks, though. The Energy Drain spell does that because it specifically states it in the spell effect. So an undead bard could safely fuck the succubutt but wouldn't gain extra stamina from her touch.
Speaking of succubi, In Japan you sometimes get succubi with mouth on their tail. Usually in vore stuff (with the succubus using her tail-mouth to eat somebody), but I remember succubi in the Disgaea games also having an attack where they bit the enemy with their tail. Where does that come from? I haven't run into that in western stuff.
>>44874158 >Speaking of succubi, In Japan you sometimes get succubi with mouth on their tail. Usually in vore stuff (with the succubus using her tail-mouth to eat somebody), but I remember succubi in the Disgaea games also having an attack where they bit the enemy with their tail. Where does that come from? I haven't run into that in western stuff. It's essentially a tentacle vagina for the female-coded anime sex monster to complement the tentacle penises found in male-coded anime sex monsters.
It's female, so it has a tentacle you can penetrate instead of a tentacle that penetrates you.
>>44873470 Rough, sexual bullying followed by rape followed by soul sucking followed by assfat
>>44873551 Could fit the right campaign, could actually be a bit fun, I'd allow it
>>44873904 You are really not helping your case, y'know?
>>44874158 >Speaking of succubi, In Japan you sometimes get succubi with mouth on their tail. Usually in vore stuff (with the succubus using her tail-mouth to eat somebody), but I remember succubi in the Disgaea games also having an attack where they bit the enemy with their tail. Where does that come from? I haven't run into that in western stuff. I've always wondered that too, I like the idea particularly for vore but it just seems like an odd addition
>>44874233 >Could fit the right campaign, could actually be a bit fun, I'd allow it Gathering power to fight or replace another evil is in general a pretty good way to do an evil character. Gives them a reason to stick with the party (they can accomplish their goal easier with their aid) and to do the normal adventurer stuff like dungeoncrawling (getting money and rare magic items helps them reach their goal). Plus it's an easy way to have an evil character in a non-evil campaign (just make the villain they want to kill the BBEG).
>I've always wondered that too, I like the idea particularly for vore but it just seems like an odd audition Yeah, it seems like a pretty specific thing to show up repeatedly (I think the "tail-vore" thing might be traced back to Cell from DBZ, who had a tail with a sucker-tip he used to absorb people, but Cell doesn't have anything to do with succubi), and I have to question the anatomy involved. Like, if the tail is connected to the stomach, wouldn't the spine be in the way? Not that regular vore makes any anatomical sense, but I digress. Still, big fat tails are kind of cute...
>>44874451 >I think the "tail-vore" thing might be traced back to Cell from DBZ, who had a tail with a sucker-tip he used to absorb people, but Cell doesn't have anything to do with succubi Yeah that's where I sort of assumed it started from, though it's still odd how little of it involves Cell, rule 63 or otherwise Wish there was more of it involving rule 63 Cell, or just rule 63 Cell
>I have to question the anatomy involved. Like, if the tail is connected to the stomach, wouldn't the spine be in the way? My gut reaction is to assume that because demons are made of magic and evil, their insides probably don't really resemble that of material creatures and are probably one big chunk of evil magic except when they need a specific organ but >Not that regular vore makes any anatomical sense, but I digress. Is a pretty good explanation too
Also it's probably easier to draw a tail stretching impossibly wide than it is a succubus's mouth stretching impossibly wide
>>44874451 >>44874602 Could also be that the tail is attached to the body under the spine. It would make a little more anatomical sense if the tail is directly connected to the guts and rather than having an asshole the succubus has a tailhole that functions as a sort of "general purpose orifice" (like how jellyfish and starfish have one orifice that functions as both mouth and anus).
>>44874602 >Yeah that's where I sort of assumed it started from, though it's still odd how little of it involves Cell, rule 63 or otherwise Looking into that sounds like it could be interesting on an academic level. My hypothesis is that since DBZ was massively popular when it came out, a significant amount of kids ended up getting a fetish for weird tail-absorption thing from the episodes featuring Cell (the important distinction that it wouldn't be a fetish about Cell himsel, but about something the character happened to do). And later somebody figured that since succubi are hot women with tails, they could totally project their weird tail vore fetish to them, and since enough other people had gotten that very specific fetish from watching DBZ as kids, it ended up catching on.
>>44875082 >Clearly, not all monsters are memetic for there are several instances of real life monsters. Namely most of the horrifying shit you find in the ocean. Oh come on, it's not that bad down there once you get used to it.
>>44875185 >Looking into that sounds like it could be interesting on an academic level. My hypothesis is that since DBZ was massively popular when it came out, a significant amount of kids ended up getting a fetish for weird tail-absorption thing from the episodes featuring Cell (the important distinction that it wouldn't be a fetish about Cell himsel, but about something the character happened to do). And later somebody figured that since succubi are hot women with tails, they could totally project their weird tail vore fetish to them, and since enough other people had gotten that very specific fetish from watching DBZ as kids, it ended up catching on. That's actually a pretty good explanation, I just find it odd that the act would be so divorced from the source though, I'd have thought the first instances of tail vore fetish would be with Cell/femCell
>>44861538 My character lost a will save against a succubus and was mind controlled into trying to stab another character. Luckily, the other characters noticed she was acting strangely and so she failed to stab anyone before finally passing a check and breaking free from the control. One of the party's inquisitors eventually "killed" the succubus with a warhammer and sent her back to hell.
That was a couple of years ago. I asked /tg/ what they thought about the succubus being used to control my character that way, and the consensus was that the DM was using the succubus the way they were intended.
>>44875254 Considering lillends don't poop, that's probably true to succubi as well. They fully convert whatever they eat to assfat.
>>44875314 My quess is that there was a considerable time between people watching DBZ and drawing tail vore stuff. Like if the first stuff had been done by adults at the time it came up, we'd have seen more rule 36/63 Cell stuff, but it was done largely by people who saw DBZ when they were kids and ended up getting a fetish that made them draw weird porn years later.
>>44875684 >Considering lillends don't poop, that's probably true to succubi as well. Well, considering outsiders don't need to eat they probably don't need to poop either, though you could argue they only poop after they eat
Though thinking about it, a succubus probably can poop, if for no other reasons than someone is probably into that and so they can do so when doing demeaning and/or humiliating acts, sexual or otherwise, to their victims/toys
>They fully convert whatever they eat to assfat. Though this is a likely and hot outcome to most of their meals
>My quess is that there was a considerable time between people watching DBZ and drawing tail vore stuff. Like if the first stuff had been done by adults at the time it came up, we'd have seen more rule 36/63 Cell stuff, but it was done largely by people who saw DBZ when they were kids and ended up getting a fetish that made them draw weird porn years later. That is a good point, I hadn't considered the time delay, would allow the fetish to crystallize into something specific
>>44875954 I thought it was a legit question. Losing control of your character for most of a session is rather annoying and I don't think is something that happens very often. I didn't get really upset about it or anything, it just seemed unusual.
>You should have asked tumblr and mentioned that you are a girl How did you pick up on that from my post? Did you just guess since I referred to my character as "she"?
>>44876418 >>and mentioned that you are a girl >How did you pick up on that from my post? LOL, I had no idea and assumed you were a guy! I just said to claim that as a way of eliciting the desired reaction from tumblr! But you actually ARE!
That really makes the stereotype of touchy girls seem accurate, even if it was an annoying situation in-game.
>Did you just guess since I referred to my character as "she"? That's just called roleplaying. If anything, calling your PC "I"/"me" would make me thing you're a girl.
>>44876766 >The male anon has lured the female anon out of hiding, with the promising scent of bait. Now that the female is out in the open and paying attention, he begins an exotic dance meant to arouse her interest in him further.
>>44877436 >You can see other anons already crowding round, disparaging the one making the attempt in order to prepare for their own try at the elusive beast. Truly, it's a most elaborate society with nuances beyond compare.
>>44877494 >Many of the male anons crowd around various other anons, either attempting to prove their intellectual superiority or to keep the most aggressive male from reaching the female anon.
In the commotion, the female anon has slipped away, using her anonymous camouflage to disguise herself among male anons. For the female, revealing herself is either only used as a mating display, or in order to feed upon the large amounts of spaghetti the male anons throw.
>>44879539 It does make a degree of sense, assuming that succubi and other outsiders don't have a body/soul dictonomy, ie. unlike with humans, where the body and soul are separate things, the body of an outsider is soulstuff made corporeal. In that case it would make sense that the essence of a soul consumed by a demon would be absorbed into its body. And since succubi are supposed to be seductive and will shape their body accordingly, that soul is probably going to her ass or tits.
Although in that case a demon who consumes enough souls should also increase in size, as more souls directly add to its physical form. I don't think demons are usually described as doing that, unless that's how they get "promoted" from low-ranking demons to more powerful ones.
>>44880122 >Although in that case a demon who consumes enough souls should also increase in size, as more souls directly add to its physical form. I don't think demons are usually described as doing that, unless that's how they get "promoted" from low-ranking demons to more powerful ones. Well, given that consuming souls is usually associate with increasing in power and D&D models that as HD, demons that eat souls should increase in HD. And looking over the SRD, pretty much every demon can go up a size category by increasing HD.
Except succubi I'm actually pretty disappointed in that. I like the idea of a powerful, well fed succubi being large, huge, or even bigger. Not to mention by RAW a succubi can only take the form of a small or medium humanoid and in D&D land that'd exclude quite a few races I think I may have to change that for my games
>>44880122 >It does make a degree of sense, assuming that succubi and other outsiders don't have a body/soul dictonomy, ie. unlike with humans, where the body and soul are separate things, the body of an outsider is soulstuff made corporeal. In that case it would make sense that the essence of a soul consumed by a demon would be absorbed into its body. I had actually forgotten about that, that is a good point, a soul devoured by a succubus would be added to her hips
>Although in that case a demon who consumes enough souls should also increase in size >Giantess succubus ...Alright, I'm sold
>>44880281 I don't think they should get too huge, unless you want giantess vore succubi, but I do agree that large or huge succubi sounds pretty neat
>>44880281 >And looking over the SRD, pretty much every demon can go up a size category by increasing HD. >Except succubi
The demon lords of the Abyss have collectively agreed to prevent succubi from gaining size and power by consuming souls. For some reason the results of the being able to do so are almost universally disastrous, potentially for the entire multiverse.
>>44876630 >That really makes the stereotype of touchy girls seem accurate Being touchy because of the new puritanical flavor feminists have adopted where any hint of sexualizing a female is rape is tumblrite feminism.
Being touchy because of a violation of player agency or because of mechanics that shut a player out of the game for extended periods of time is, at the LEAST, a legitimate question to discuss on /tg/.
From what I gather from her post she wasn't upset because it was a succubus, but because she sat there doing nothing while the NPC controlled her character. There's nothing tumblr or even female about that.
>>44881264 I was thinking more of Lilium but didn't have a picture. And while the succubus in the pic didn't grow in size, she exponentially grew in power. The point is, let succubus amass power like that and she ends up eating the world.
>>44881809 It's a funny idea yeah, but "realistically" it'd hit diminishing returns for the same reason adventurers do, when you're level 20, farming level 1 commoners won't net you much xp unless there's a shitload of them and I get the feeling nomming souls would be the same way. Mind you they'd probably still taste good but you won't get succugoddesses unless they keep it up for a long time or were very very active, and the same logic would apply to any demon
Doesn't mean they can't exist, just that they would be once a millennia situation, epic level encounter, or ruling over a chunk of hell
>>44882442 I would assume someone who thinks just because an idea can be used for vore, or any other fetish, it will and therefore should never even be considered, is a bigger problem but that's just me
>>44882442 >Bigger monster= more powerful monster >Demons (and by extension succubi) consume souls for power Neither of these ideas are bad on their own or together Just cause you don't like one implementation of them doesn't make them bad ideas
>>44882625 Technically speaking, by RAW succubi can shapeshift into goat headed women, or goat headed men for that matter, so you'll have to ask the succubi for that answer
>>44882591 It's not that it can "never" be considered, it's that you are doing it in the worst possible way.
Seriously. I don't want to call you an idiot, but when you are charging at full speed without even considering the direction you are going, it's the only thing to call you.
You are already at that point where you think that people are going to call your ideas stupid anyway, so you don't even bother to make your ideas any less stupid. You are in the cycle of ever lowering standards that make you and your ideas a nuisance, especially since you are so caught up in them that you can no longer reject anything within the narrow sphere you've erected while rejecting the common sense that exists outside of it.
>>44882731 Or you can actually explain your criticism like an adult instead of resorting to name-calling. If your worry is of the idea getting taken too far, well as I've already said it would hit diminishing returns and the same logic could apply to any other type of powerful demon pulling a stunt like that, probably with more murder though
Flat out trying to shut down discussion because it could possibly go in a direction you don't like or "be taken too far" in your opinion seems like a far more poisonous stance, as 4chan itself is a study in how you can get a few good ideas from a sea of bad ones
As I said up thread, I like the idea of a powerful succubus being unusually large, but unless she has enough HD that she's only fit for an epic level encounter, sticking to large or huge size would probably be best
>>44883022 I am quick to recognize when I'm talking to someone too stupid or too hostile to educate. And yes, that's what you're asking me to do.
>If your worry is of the idea getting taken too far,
No, that's not the issue, you simpleton. If I have to repeat myself, I will, but really, I don't know if you're just stupid or being actively ignorant and TRYING to misinterpret me.
You can try to rationalize your ideas as much as you want, to dress them up and pretend you're really thinking about them, but all you're doing is dancing around the actual core of the matter just so you can keep your pseudo-intellectual imitation of a discussion alive.
You never stop to actually think "Does this still make sense?", but instead you just keep moving with the insane notion that it MUST make sense, by whatever means necessary. You work, and work, while willfully ignoring all the obvious problems, up until the point where you convince yourself there are no problems.
You've got an end goal, and you don't even realize what you're sacrificing in order to reach it. Explaining it to you, when you willfully try to ignore it, is a waste of everyone's time.
You're insane. Pure and simple. You can't even be spoken to like an adult, but treated like a precocious child. Maybe you should come back in a couple years, reread what you're writing, and realize just how stupid you were. That's a far better plan than continuing to post and digging your hole even deeper.
>>44873218 Succusorceror, succufavored soul, succubeguiler, succumonk, while technically impossible, would work well between draining touch attacks and punching, as well as their numerous heightened stats. Succubarbarian could work due to higher stats in general, leading to a succubus who could swap between spells and getting their own hands dirty when they felt like it. Succurogue would also be good as a con artist and an assassin.
>>44883340 After looking back over your posts, the only concrete criticism you've given so far seems to be a warning against taking it too far. Maybe I am unable to understand your point or maybe you're just very bad at saying it but given that your whole argument seems to be "it no longer makes sense" please point out where the logic breaks down >Point A: Demons can consume souls to increase in power >Point B: Demons grow bigger (up to a point) when they get more powerful >Conclusion: Demons can grow bigger by eating souls
>>44883638 >After looking back over your posts, the only concrete criticism you've given so far seems to be a warning against taking it too far.
No, my concrete criticism is that you are at the point where you are unable to see the problems, and while I at first thought you might just be stupid, I can now see you are being actively ignorant. Even if someone were to explain them to you, your mind is so addled and hostile to criticism, you would work desperately to ignore or dismiss those problems.
You are working in a way that even a small child could tell you what's wrong, but your too far into yourself to do what even a child could.
I can't even treat you like a child, I have to treat you like some kind of animal or beast masquerading as a human.
Get off the internet, dog. You thought no one could tell, but you've revealed yourself.
>>44882730 >>44883638 Those steps aren't the problem. The problem step is >Point before-A: Succubi turning souls into assfat/titfat is funny though, also hot >Point C: since succubi are supposed to be seductive and will shape their body accordingly, that soul is probably going to her ass or tits. I'm now going to change my game so succubi are ass vore fetishes.
The only reason why you've linked points A and B is so that you can justify and shoehorn your giantess ass vore fetish into your game. The ass vore fetish came first, rather than you actually linking the other ideas.
>>44883340 Wait, are you assuming Lilium here? Because while the end result included a lot of stupid things, the basic logic of "demons are made of soul stuff" + "Demons eat souls" = "The souls they eat get added to them" is technically correct given the fluff for a lot of settings.
But what exactly are you arguing? As >>44883638 pointed out you haven't actually said any sort of counter argument for the idea other than "it's stupid and you're stupid"
>>44883738 >No, my concrete criticism is that you are at the point where you are unable to see the problems, and while I at first thought you might just be stupid, I can now see you are being actively ignorant. Even if someone were to explain them to you, your mind is so addled and hostile to criticism, you would work desperately to ignore or dismiss those problems. No, that's an ad hominem, what's the actual criticism?
>>44883740 >since succubi are supposed to be seductive and will shape their body accordingly, that soul is probably going to her ass or tits. I have never argued that, they have change shape for big ass or tits, I simply that I like the idea that succubi, like other demons, can be larger size categories with an increase in HD. Consuming souls is a possible explanation for one growing, not something that would happen in game beyond background fluff.
Honestly it feels like my point >>44882591 was correct, you assume because an idea is possibly related to a fetish, it must be that fetish. Unless you have an actual point, please stop and think instead of triggering yourself
>>44884051 While perhaps it's not you, see >>44879539 from where it's coming from. And >>44880281 It's not "assuming an idea is a fetish" when other posters have categorically stated "this is my fetish which I will now proceed to put in my game"
>>44884051 Why do you insist that you want to be treated like a person? You put on airs and fluff up your posts, hoping you can convince anyone that your ideas are not stupid. All you're really doing is convincing people that not only are you and your ideas stupid, but that you are filled with energy to mindlessly defend them with increasingly pretentious and idiotic ideas.
>>44884176 Point, though I'd say that just cause something is someone's fetish is no reason to completely abandon an idea. Like I said, I'm simply for succubi being able to be larger than medium, the soul eating thing is a fluff explaintion with canon and support, people who's fetish is soul vore isn't my concern and honestly it shouldn't be yours either, just ignore the idiots 4chan is full of them
>>44884176 >And >>44880281 (You) # Why are you quoting me as someone motivated by a fetish? I like the idea of succubi getting bigger because it's consistent with other demons and think that a large or huge succubus could make a neat boss battle
>>44884769 I am assuming it functions like exp so they don't lose it and as noted already, outsiders don't need sustenance so they shouldn't starve, but if they do starve it would make a good counter for PCs going after a redeemed succubus waifu. Course that's still ignoring the whole "while technically possible it's still stupidly fucking rare" aspect of redeemed demons
Also why a loli? Succubi don't get older when they eat souls, if anything one would either just get emaciated or shrink into nothing
>>44885048 >but still need to remain in a sexual format, That is not something I had considered, I can see the logic there and it does make sense, though I would normally go with the minigirl option, and any transformation into a loli would have been done via their change shape ability. But the idea of a starved succubus reverting to a very young girl doesn't actually sound out of place
>>44885293 Just think about it. A paladin and a young girl previously a busy, oversexed figure - now teenage, and soon turning into a daughter figure - their love that had started as a thing of passion changes into a fatherly-daughter bond and becomes that of romance and teaching about things other than sexuality.
And yet that lure of passion ever remains, as the succubus grows more and more starved, and the act itself even more of a debasement of what their love has turned into...
>>44861538 Myself as in me? Probably not considering supernatural powers n' shit, not like I would have stood much chance.
My characters? Would definitely be kicking themselves over it, especially considering one is practically at the "proposal" part of his current relationship, the only thing holding him back is that they've known each other for barely a few months, their relative lifespans, not knowing how the kids would work, and he's managed to win over another lady in the meantime accidentally and the other is a 300+ year old monk that has a bigger boner for vigilante justice than sexy demon bitches.
>>44884769 I don't think that would work, since outsiders require no sustenance. A demon that doesn't consume souls won't starve to death because they don't need to consume souls to survive. They do so because it allows hem to increase their power and because it's a very evil act and demons, being creatures of pure evil, revel in committing evil.
>>44898942 >If it goes for the OP's question, then as long as she doesn't suck my soul/devour me somehow then I wouldn't feel embarrassed at all. Either that's what'll happen or she plans to use you for something then devour you/your soul
>>44900116 That's kind of their thing. Well, sometimes they might seduce a person in order to corrupt them and further their/their master's plans, rather than to drain your energy/eat your soul/devour you, but that's hardly a good outcome for you either.
>>44871748 >There was even a recent story on /tg/ about a player tried to summon a incubus to seduce the BBEG, lost control of it, was forced to watch it rape her violently, and managed to escape as it summoned another incubus who also joined the rape. Each of them ripped her in half to satisfy themselves, one with the bottom, the other with the top..
>>44903979 Being a succubus it would probably still drain you to death, except more subtly (making you believe you're in charge while slowly draining your strenght or corrupting you). They're soul-eating demons. Whether they're submissive or dominant their end goal is still your damnation.
>>44900592 Actually it's just...."excitement" with Morrigan's succubus species. Because if their weird brain chemistry they basically need constant stimulation or they can physically die of boredom; sex and violence like combat are from a practical standpoint no different to them (hence their very sexual battle dialogue), so they treat them as the same. The primary difference between sex and combat is that you can DIE in combat which just really makes it that much more exciting.
>>44904130 >>44904546 Plus, even if she doesn't kill or eat you/your soul you're still getting damned which still sucks for you. You never can win when fucking succubi. No matter what, you're getting screwed one way or another.
>>44905081 Damned; someone who is condemned to damnation, which is a concept of divine punishment and torment. Generally seen as a bad thing, it varies from being sent to hell to never knowing "the light of god".
>>44905081 Depends on the setting Default D&D it's a toss up between getting tortured for all eternity/trapped in a fate worse than death, being given a pitchfork and told you're a demon now (and the low one of the totem pole at that, so expect all the bitch work), or having your soul consumed by something a lot less sexier than a succubutt
>>44905350 Actually becoming a demon in the afterlife instead of just having your soul eaten or used in forging of demonic weapons or something is extremely rare, though, and pretty much requires you to be extremely evil for the demons to even consider it. And even then you stard out as a shitty useless demon who stands a good chanse of being obliterated by a more powerful demon for some real or perceived slight, or because they think you getting promoted would hurt their own opportunities.
>>44918667 >What would I have to do to earn being a succubus? Be very evil and get very lucky, faithfully serve some dark god/dess and be useful enough to earn their favor AND hope you'll be rewarded with demonhood in the afterlife AND hope you'll be appointed to be a succubus (And that you won't just be your god's fucktoy, unless you're into that), or enter into some agreement with a demon AND hope they uphold their end AND hope you don't hit any clause that prevents you from getting "payed" AND hope there's no loophole that changes things to something along the lines "Become (part of) a succubuss" and have your soul nommed Maybe, MAYBE there's some high level magic that could allow you to change yourself into one, but unless you're very thorough it could be temporary and/or dispelled
>But they could stay female and just be a succubus around women too? Yes, but to do your job you'll probably have to change genders, or just be very seductive
>>44919004 >Maybe, MAYBE there's some high level magic that could allow you to change yourself into one, but unless you're very thorough it could be temporary and/or dispelled Sounds like adventure goal material to me.
>>44921860 >I'd feel great if a succubus dominated me if you catch my drift... >Succubus >Femdom Odds are she'll be great at her job and be exactly what you want, regardless how much you beg her to stop
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