>>44860977 Check the official commander website And before you say "IT's not on the wizards site so it's not true" that's cause of the stupid way that EDH bans are played out (Mainly that a third party decided what does and doesn't get banned)
>>44861138 They do good changes half the time, and terrible changes the rest of the time. You might notice that for all their hard work, the end result averages out to about the same as picking rules changes and bans completely at random.
This, right now, is one of the times where they did it right. >new mulligan rule >prophet ban >rule 4 removed are all very sensible rules changes.
>>44861232 She untaps all your mana on your opponent's untap steps. So unless she gets removed before your EoT, you get to untap and protect her with counterspells. That's what they meant in the rules update when they said she protects herself "almost" immediately.
>>44861280 You can now produce mana outside of your color identity if you have something like a City of Brass or a Birds of Paradise. Used to be if you tried to tap either for, say, black mana when you were playing monogreen, it would produce colorless instead. They had to change that because they don't want people to produce colorless with a City of Brass.
>>44861457 Hey, I didn't write that article. I get what they meant, they just worded it in a very dumb way. The idea is that a 5-drop that untaps all your mana is much easier to protect than something like Consecrated Sphinx that has to survive until your next untap.
>>44861520 >the banlist cucks you Are you baiting right now? You're playing UGx goodstuff, possibly the best archetype in this format, and you think the deck completely falls apart because one card is removed?
You no longer get to turn on godmode by tutoring out Prophet every game. The deck still works.
>>44861527 This has been debated so much by now no one's going to change their mind on this. He thinks the tuck rules change was a good thing. That's his opinion, it's a retarded one for sure but it's his, and you won't change it.
>>44861560 No I mean the picture with prime time and emrakul. I didn't even know edh had a banlist when I got into it.
The deck is powerful and with the right hand just makes the game pointless to play out. Even without Prophet I'm sure it will be fine. I just find it weird that stuff like Braids and Prophet are banned while Teferi and Arcum Daggson are fine.
>>44861527 >counters shouldn't exist because red and white dont really have answers. I'm with you on most of the post but I'd just like to state that between forks, red blasts and lapse of certainty, I feel like Boros decks do alright at counterspell fights.
>>44861644 >I just find it weird that stuff like Braids and Prophet are banned while Teferi and Arcum Daggson are fine. Braids is banned because the RC are babies who don't like stax (pic related).
As for Prophet vs. Teferi or Arcum, while it can be argued that the latter two will be more powerful in the right shell, the thing with Prophet is that it's oppressively good in pretty much any well built deck, you don't even have to build around it. This led to a situation where any player managing to stick a Prophet and protect it had a disproportionate advantage, and created many clone/steal wrath/reanimate fights entirely surrounding Prophet, where everyone was vying for control of the Prophet whenever one hit play. It was a very centralizing card. Also, the best threat in UG, which is the best color combination. So the ban may not have been "necessary" but it certainly isn't undeserved.
>>44861756 I disagree that teferi has to be built around, he literally denies your opponents from having counterplay. Prophet enables things which is usually less frowned upon by the RC compared to disabling your opponents from playing the game.
>>44861785 Yes, you're getting the card advantage, but you're not running away with the game if it immediately gets wrathed. It just means you cast a 6 mana divination. Which arguably isn't the worst, it forced a wrath after all. But it's not stealing the game on its own if you can't protect it, and it's harder to protect than Prophet.
>>44861849 >about how green is the god tier color and has a solution for everything so playing a deck without green is suboptimal. >green has a solution for everything hue >>44861867 >Prophet enables things which is usually less frowned upon by the RC compared to disabling your opponents from playing the game. You don't really understand the RC's vision. The way they play this format, they're already playing at sorcery speed most of the time. And since combo doesn't exist in their meta, Teferi protecting a combo isn't even a thing. If you play the Knowledge Pool lock, they think that the issue is you as a player, not Teferi as a card, and that your playgroup should ban your ass.
>>44862059 >Painters servant is still banned. >Sol ring is still unbanned. Please anon, this is a day of celebration. For once in their fucking life, the RC made a sensible rules update. We can go back to hating them tomorrow but right now, I think it's best we enjoy the fact that through some miracle, they didn't fuck everything up this time around.
>>44862106 I would, painter's servant is my favorite scarecrow and the quintessential edh Johnny card. Yet they still won't let me okay with it because it has a bad combo with grindstone, and a good combo with Iona.
>>44864372 It's generally agreed upon that Derevi Stax and Derevi Stasis are the best Derevi decks, both have competitive primers you can easily find online by just googling the deck's names. You can also make a pretty potent mix of the two.
Derevi is also great as just a regular Bant goodstuff commander with some twiddle shenanigans thrown in. She can just take everything those colors do well, and improve it, without fear of counterspells or commander tax. This is why she's often listed alongside Prossh in "commanders that need to be tucked": Prossh makes all the usual jund gameplans better, half of the card is uncounterable, and the commander tax just makes him stronger.
>>44864682 Well Stax is a pretty controversial archetype, very few people can claim to enjoy it and those who do generally are the ones playing it. That said, it's not entirely bad. I do like the occasional game against a stax deck. As long as that stax deck isn't Derevi. The issue with Derevi is that you can't fucking answer that shitbird, barring some very narrow and specific cards (Containment Priest, Nevermore, things like that), and those are things that a bant Stax deck are very good at dealing with anyway. So a Derevi stax list is a list with a commander that you won't ever get rid of, that will keep coming back for 4 mana as many times as needed, and that is both annoying and absolutely exhausting.
I feel like exhausting might be the best word to describe the experience of playing against Derevi. It's this feeling of "not this shit again" every time the opponent taps mana. You know it's coming, you're playing around it because it's a known quantity, but it's still good and efficient at pretty much any stage of the game and against any strategy. It sort of feels like the opponent is playing with different rules, like he has a Planechase card and no one else does.
>>44864841 I play a hybrid glissa eggs/stax deck that could maybe deal with it. The deck gets enough recursion and value going to just keep the board clear and continue drawing and ramping off the eggs to achieve a win. Counterspells would suck, though the derevi lists I saw are running very few.
Also I typically play in 3-5 player games that will hate you out easily if you bring that level of cancer to the table. Our decks are roughly 200-400 but if someone tries zur or narset it's easy to just ensure they have a bad time.
>>44864982 The thing about stax decks is that they typically do alright even being the Archenemy. There isn't much of a difference between playing stax against one playing, or against three. It's all about how fast you can assemble your lock, and how tight the lock is. If you're quick enough, the number of opponents doesn't end up mattering as much as with other archetypes.
>>44861367 If you really want to take apart your kruphix deck because you are so fucking bad at magic that you cannot break him without prophet then you literally should just give away all your cards and then blow yourself up inside of a store of noobs that complain about blue countermagic.
>>44866820 >in a format that cares so much about color Color identity only matters for deck construction and (before today's update) mana production. What interaction does Painter's Servant have in this format that it wouldn't have in literally any other format?
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