>>44858045 Yeah, absolutely. I'll allow it. Hell, in the 13th Age, my generic fantasy setting of choice, that's a thing totally supported by the lore and the mechanics. There's a Paladin option called the Way of Evil Bastards, often utilized by dark knights in service to the Crusader, a moral absolutist who sieges the pits from which demons emerge and then binds them to his service through a pact with dark gods.
>>44858045 I suppose if you're playing D&D 5e you can have sworn an oath of Vengeance and serve one of those diabolic Lawful Evil gods/demons.
The main deal with this would be that you punish all evil, regardless of your own righteousness. You don't show mercy on the wicked, and you see your failing to stop an evil as a personal failure. Thus you'll try to help those effected by your failure.
Why the fuck not? But you better be prepaired for the effects if your in my campaign. You subjugate a demon, making it grant you the power to destroy others (Can even be seen as a holy redemption quest. See: Demon King Sun Wukong).
But the more you take upon yourself, the harder it is to resist corruption. If I'm letting you enjoy the taste of deviant power, you better roleplay for me a few things: >Your nights may become sleepless, the demons effecting your dreams and senses at night >That gnawing, itchy feeling of want for things you had sworn to avoid >Out bursts of rage/ your worst traits >The slow, unending struggle with the question: Does anyone even care I am rotting from the inside for them? Why should I bother any more?
That creates an interesting character. It creates good role play scenarios. Your end quest could be finding a way to absolve these contracts.
>>44858384 Or it promotes discussion of specific settings you ignorant fuckwad instead of people butting heads over whether dragons have four, two, or no legs. Damn near nothing is setting-universal, so people need to remember to include fucking context. Without including setting context, you have faggots screaming at each other, trying to establish One Universal Truth in fiction and that goes against the fucking point of fiction.
>>44858453 if that was the point would say "*according to my setting", because as is, it's just shit posting. You're like fucking Montaigne, "since everything varys with setting, and quality of setting is subjective, there's nothing to discuss, no one can know if something is a good idea or not."
>>44858517 >How long is a piece of string? >There is no answer anyone can give without lying, because different pieces of string can be different lengths. >Just pick a number at random and say everyone else's numbers are wrong! That's constructive discussion!
>>44858622 You seem to forget something, Warlock, a class that gets it's powers from demons (or fey, but lets use demons in this case) can be any alignment, for example Good, in fact, in the description it's said that Good Fiend Warlocks are a thing.
Thats to multiclassing you can be a Paladin/Warlock and use demonic powers and still be Good.
>>44858453 >Or it promotes discussion of specific settings
Except it never does, because all you "depends on the setting" fags respond to the post saying /thread every single time.
>thout including setting context, you have faggots screaming at each other, trying to establish One Universal Truth in fiction and that goes against the fucking point of fiction. Just how fucking delusional are you, anyway?
Depends on if evil and corruption is contagious in your setting or not. If it spreads via contact, power corrupting, etc. Then the paladin is probably in some long term trouble. If not, get ready for some devil may cry fun times.
>>44858879 So would confiscating weaponry from captured enemies also be 'evil'? Would it be good to let a criminal keep his gun or sword?
>>44858886 A fair point, although I'm not sure if the comparison really holds that well. A nuke is a massive item that is bound to have massive collateral damage. Would I be evil from taking the dictator's gun and shooting him with it? (isn't that what happened in Libya?)
>>44858887 >Wielding a stolen Evil artifact is generally considered Evil Is that what the rules state? If so, then that's that. What's so evil about it, though? Is it considered corrupting in some way?
Also, another point: Doesn't 5e allow non-good aligned paladins anyway?
>>44858813 >Just how fucking delusional are you, anyway? So wait, are you saying that A) /tg/ *doesn't* just scream 3.PF/OSR/Exalted/WoD/whatever canon and try to shout down others that disagree, or B) that having a single universal truth shared between all settings isn't anathema to the very concept of fiction?
>>44858959 >Doesn't 5e allow non-good aligned paladins anyway? How would that not be an oxymoron? Why would neutral paladins not be greyguards and why wouldn't evil ones not be called antipaladins or blackguards? What is wrong with people?
>>44859024 I am not sure. How would you even use the power of an enemy against it?
Also, don't good intentions in this case make the use of evil powers good aswell? I mean, you Are kind of using amazing powers of murderkill to retaliate against people who would use those powers to make other people suffer, supposedly. So that would not make you evil, per se... as far as I understand it.
If you, however, used these powers to kill those people and then use them some more to make other people suffer, that would make you evil, I guess. Or is this reasoning flawed somehow?
>>44859081 >This sword is evil >Here we have A who uses this sword to kill, maim, torture and enslave people >Here we have B who uses this sword to fight injustice, defend the innocent and stop the evildoers. You are saying both are evil?
It all depends on a couple of stuff, are these powers able to change your mind? are these powers just tools?
Paladin keeps taking evil artifacts and using them. Becomes so covered in them that he pings evil and gets accosted by other paladins. "The evil was already commited to make these weapons, now they are being used for good. Youre like a vegan that throws out meat as a rebellion against animal cruelty. The animals already dead, now youre wasting the sacrifice."
>>44859338 >The sword itself is not evil The power then itself is not evil, is just an instrument, unless, again, in your setting it has will and corrupts you, if it's just a tool, like the sword, then I don't see why the paladin can't use it.
And even if it can corrupt you, if the paladin's will is strong enough, as it should be, I don't see, as long as he remains uncorrupted, why he shouldn't be still Good.
>>44859404 >The sword itself is not evil >The power then itself is not evil
THE SWORD IS LITERALLY EVIL MADE FROM EVIL METAL MINED FROM MOUNT EVIL IN THE KINGDOM OF EVILLAND BY AN EVIL BLACKSMITH USING AN EVIL ANVIL AND AN EVIL HAMMER TEMPERED USING AN EVIL FLAME DOUSED IN EVIL WATER INSCRIBED WITH EVIL RUNES EMPOWERED WITH EVIL ENERGIES STRAIGHT FROM THE DIMENSION OF EVIL USING EVIL MAGIC
>>44859449 Sith use the Dark Side. And Jedi who use the Dark Side are considered either untrustworthy mary sues (gray Jedi) or dangerous assholes (dark Jedi).
>>44859439 Nobody says it should be common, using a sword to fight a tyrant might be ok once, but not always, I didn't go and beheaded the class president when he acted like a dick imposing his views back in highschool.
PCs are unique, even if we don't like it, sometimes are just the ones who can change the flow of the setting, sometimes the are even more special, if the player wants to be a Paladin who uses the same source of power as the evil dudes I don't see why it should be bad, and if he strays, well, he strays and should be treated accordantly.
>>44859577 Do the riders use power of evil? I haven't watched the show.
>Paladin who uses the same source of power as the evil dudes I don't see why it should be bad I am not saying it should be bad, but the power sources should be different nonetheless. In my setting Paladins are divine champions of the Gods of virtue and Good, given powers by them directly. It's the way I prefer things to work when I run a game.
>>44859026 Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I saw the conversation.
-OP asks a question whose answer depends entirely on the setting. -Someone posts DOTS. -Anon gets mad, saying that answer kills any discussion and evokes the slippery slope fallacy saying that /tg/ will be reduced to quests, shitposting, and generals. -I get mad and say that DOTS is useful to keep in mind because /tg/ has a habit of slipping into canon wars, with LotR and D&D providing most of the ammunition (hence the reference to number of dragon legs, because a number of fa/tg/uys got pissy that the new Hobbit movie had a Smaug with two legs and two wing/claws and *everyone* knows that's a Wyvern and not a Dragon). -Anon2 quotes the part of my post where I bitch about canon wars and their tendency to push for one true answer for all settings ever, and he calls me delusional. -I ask what part is delusional, the frequency of canon wars or the opinion that one established truth that's shared between all settings because it's the "right" one is anathema to the idea of fiction being whatever you want. -Anon3/you accuse me of strawmanning and sidestep the question.
You can make the case for 1 & 2 but that isn't the case for any other Riders
>>44859872 Evil does have a concrete meaning in D&D though >Evil Metal = Abyssal or Baatorian in origin >Mount Evil = any of the many mountains of the lower planes >Evilland = any of the Abyssal realms/Baatorian lairs >Evil blacksmith = a fiend >evil hammer and anvil = made of hell-metal or corpses of the damned >evil fire = fire directly from a lower plane or imprisoned Evil elemental >evil water = ditto >evil runes = Black/Dark Speech >evil energy = unholy energy just like Myrmyxicus uses >straight from the evil dimension = lower planes >evil magic = magic taught by fiends
>>44860170 You keep talking about this meaning in D&D and you keep forgetting those classes that use demonic powers and can be still totally Good and able to multiclass into Paladins and Clerics (some even have feats that improve thoses multiclasses)
Technically, paladin is a job like another. Sure, you should be the faithful servant of a good god, and be merciful, and blablabla... But, how many people are frauds. Me, I work IT in my company and my main skill is how to google stuff, and blame my coworkers when their computers have a problem. I guess you can as well impersonate a paladin if you have some kind of special power. Just avoid being seen using some kind of evil looking power, or make sure the witnesses won't live long enough to tell the tale.
>>44859322 >And then the paladins smite him for being corrupted. No, they have him take off all the Evil artifacts and check him for Evil without them in the way to mess up the results. Then, if he's not Evil, they let him go back to his crusade while assigning a member of their order to travel with him and make sure he doesn't give in to the corruption. Boom, buddy cop movie.
>>44863481 And yet there already is that giant evil empire that needs to be overthrown. All 'Good' can do is come in at the end and coup de grace the empire, only to make a vacuum where a different evil empire will rise up.
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