Jumpchain CYOA Thread #661: Smile And Optimism Edition

Trying to think up an A+++ TIER Noble phantasm for a servant who uses two swords, any ideas? I wanted somthing more along the lines of an anti unit (self) np. Possibly some form of damage and speed enhancing armor.

Any ideas or tips?

Jumpers. I must ask: what form of horcrux do you have? I know I'm not the only one who took that perk.

And not necessarily a horcrux, but any method of preventing your death along those lines.

>>44845144
Could of Sworn it was an Item. Also, it's a Camera.

>>44845144
I took that perk with my first build.

I actually don't have anything like that, I'm not much for contingencies.

>>44845030
Have you ever waited until a villain's Evil Plan was at its climax to reveal all the secret dealings? As in, right after it worked and they were about to start gloating?

VENGEANCE FOR PENNY

>>44845090
Why not something like a passive magic resistance sword with a sister sword that increases the users parameters and magic to a certain degree. Or maybe excalibur copy that uses the energy of whatever it cuts to fuel it's self.

>>44845144
Last Bug Standing from Nightmare Before Christmas combined with Personified Cells from Mighty Boosh and Spirit of a Nation from Civ. Last Bug Standing means that as long as one of the bugs that makes me up survive, I do, but if they remain separate from my main hive for too long they lose contact and stop being part of me. Personified Cells means that my biology is in some sense intelligent, conscious, and obedient to me. Spirit of a Nation means that my followers (which thanks to Personified Cells includes my own body parts) always count as if I were right next to them. So I can just drop some bugs off somewhere as insurance. Combine it with Anomalous Physiology from SCP Foundation so that you have to kill every cell of my body to count as me being truly dead, Sustenance from DC so I need no resources to stay alive, and Alexandria Package so that only physical damage can actually harm me, and I can blend myself into a fine mist and disperse it over the entire world, regenerating an intact body from any of the remaining cells whenever the current one dies.

>>44845450
No I think the best thing is to completely wash the master mind out before they set up kekaku central.
Plus penny worst bot

>>44845517
Ah my magic resistance is already rank A in this build but its not a bad idea with the energy stealing sword part. Thanks

So would buying a reality marble as your noble phatasm stifle it's growth. I'm talking about it not being able to grow stronger over time or does it make no difference?

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>>44845450
There's no cents crying over spilled milk anon.

>>44845570
It never hurts to have extra resistance to magical bullshit.

>>44845604
These make no cents to me but can I get a penny for thoughs on why such a torn joke has to be made.

>>44845144
A glass eyeball. For various reasons.

>>44845450
The only evil plans allowed to climax around me are my own.

Amen to that, brethren.

>>44845144
The Backup from Futurama. I put a portal around it so it's actually sitting somewhere safe and if I'm damaged enough to die the comparatively more fragile portal will die before anything gets through it, meaning I die, the backup is no longer connected and is automatically plugged into a new body.

>>44845090
You could always go with the old Contradiction legend. One sword can cut through anything, the other one can deflect any attack.

>>44845826
Just don't try to hit them together in a world with Zeus in charge or he'll turn you to stone to resolve the paradox. Or maybe just the swords, still, don't take the risk.

>>44845826
That's firmly in EX rank for a combo like that.

>>44845144
I used a large diamond for my Horcux. Because shiny.

There's also fucktons of regen, and miniaturised portal generators used as cybernetics, through those, I extend more biomass into alternate universes, and branch out further from there. Even if I get completely disintegrated by something, there's a really good chance some far-flung part of me survived.

...So yeah, somewhere along the line I kinda became a discount Worm Entity.

>>44846049
What do you use to get your biomass into other dimensions? There's a couple of dimensional teleports but we're sorely lacking in dimensional portals.

>>44845603
I think buying a noble phantasm makes it a set thing I don't think they grow in strength so if just the reality marble Is gotten then it can grow over time and research.

>>44846165
Dimensional Breach Controllers from Worm, and a magitech'd version of Shadow Ops' Portamancy.

>>44846165
>>44846281
Eliatropes can also pull this off, though it's hard.

>>44846474
Could an Eliatrope open up a portal inside of someone?

>>44846541
Nope. If they could've done it, then Quilby no doubt would have.

>>44846541
I don't think they can, or if they can it isn't worth the effort. Quilby is pretty top tier Eliatrope and when he was absolutely positively trying to kill people he went with beamspam instead of telefrags.

I have 8 pool balls in a box in my warehouse. (Cat from Soul Eater) Really they're just for when I'm testing something personal, like hyper-torture or super-pleasure.

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>>44846638
>Not 16.

>>44846281
Slightly related, if you use Doormaker or the Dimensional Breach Controller to open a portal can you 'attach' it to something? Like make a portal in a plane and then fly around with the portal staying in the same spot in the plane, or is it stationary?

If I wanted to make a Noble Phantasm with the abilities of the Hero of a Thousand Faces, what would the rank be?

>>44847084
Going by their canon equivalents, Doormaker can make moving portals, Dimensional Breech Controller can't.

>>44847110
What's that?

>>44847132
Jack Rakan's weapon, and something you can purchase in the Negima jump.

>>44847132
A weapon that can transform into any shape.

>>44847117
Thanks. Guess I'll free up the CP by not getting the machine and have a companion buy that power.

Have your companions ever left the party? If so, how did you send them off?

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>>44847392
Forgot my Image.

>>44847117
I'd say both can make moving portals, since all motion is relative. It's just that Doormaker's usage of portals has an alien clarktech computer doing much more of the heavy lifting (technically, two alien clarktech computers - Doormaker worked in synergy with Clairvoyant). Whereas with the DBC you've got a learning curve to tackle (as is mentioned in the item description).

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>>44847392
No one is allowed to leave.

>>44847610
>being yandere

But why?

>>44847677
Because I love all my companions so, so much and could never ever live if they were to leave me.

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>>44847419
My non starter Pokémon decided to retire in the Hollywood Jump. They filled out retirement applications and everything. I gave them a Nice Party, my bank account, and all of them big hugs.

>>44847718
What, all five of them and your Partner too? What'd you do to 'em?

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So, I found a pretty awesome Teigu.
http://akamegakill.wikia.com/wiki/Balzac

Imagine the maximum potential for a Jumper.

>>44847696
That's not love! It's obsession, it's possessiveness, it's lust and greed and even a little bit of despair!

If you love something, set it free, the old saying goes.

Granted I've got no room to talk about love, but to disregard it on that basis is an ad hominem.

>>44848021
>Balzac
Tee-hee.

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>>44848024
Love, possessiveness and obsession are simply parts of the same whole, dear anon. I love them more than anything, and so I need them. I need them so I will not let them go. I will not let them go, and so my love only deepens.

Old sayings are often factually wrong. Unless you think to say your ancestors were right about everything, and thus the universe rotates around the Earth and leprosy is a sign of impurity of faith.

>>44848021
>puts it on
>it does absolutely nothing
>all your potential was already unlocked

>>44848257
Hey Krillin.

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>>44847920
I imported my Starter for Mystery Dungeon. And nothing really, they just got tired, and we weren't that close after 102 Jumps of me kind of just wandering around. They didn't suddenly hate me, we just weren't friends anymore.

>>44848212
That isn't love. What you're talking about is literally greed - a dragon's feeling towards its horde. "I want it, it's mine, and nothing will ever take it from me." Just an emotional Fafnir, sitting on a pile of people.

>>44847610
>being yandere for more than one and the only one person
You're doing it wrong. Also, you're slut. SLUUUT!

>>44848212
That method of testing knife sharpness is sub optimal. You should speak with whomever conducted your knife and knife safety training.

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>>44848367
... I can't help but be vaguely disappointed in the lack of images punching that into google images brings up. Instead, have this.

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>>44848367
It's love. A dragon doesn't need his gold. He doesn't care for his gold's feelings, well-being, and happiness. I care for my companions. I go to any ends to make them happy, and welcome, and safe. I simply cannot let them go. That's all.

>>44848382
A yandere slut.

>>44848499
That's a contradiction. If what makes them happy is to be apart from you, then logically you do not have their best interests at heart - just your own.

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>>44848303
> we just weren't friends anymore.
> Not being Dragon Sound.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R43dYg_Kuc0

>>44848577
I go to any ends to make sure that they are happy with me. That's why so few of my companions have actually seen this side of me, only the ones involved in a select few jumps like Deadman, where it had to come out.

Nobody has ever tried to leave me, but if they did, I just couldn't let them go. I would try my best to correct the problem that made them wish to leave, but they could never actually leave.

>>44848613
Ah, so you're just yet another reason why I'm glad Jumpchain isn't and never will be a real thing.

>>44848613
> They can check out any time they like, but they could never leave.

Hotel California pls go.

>>44848651
>not wanting 200 ultra-powerful dimension hoppers to show up one day all with their own, directly contrasting plans for planet earth
What are you, a coward?

>>44848733
I, for one, welcome our nerdy overlords.

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>>44847392
Nope! Although, I like to think that if a companion ever really, truly, really wanted to leave, we could have an extended dialog about it and then, if I couldn't change their mind, I'd let them go.
It hasn't happened yet, though.

Must be all those forgiveness perks.

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>>44848651
If I bother you when I haven't actually treated my companions the least bit abusively, then you're going to have problems with pretty much any jumper but the most squeaky clean.

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>No Orige Tridge jump where you can be a member of the Imperial Star Figher Corps and defend the empire against terrorists.

how has that not happened yet? How do we have KOTOR and "The Clone Wars" but we don't have the Galactic Civil War yet?

Also this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU

In light of the conversation, what perks are there to aid in keeping your companions around?

Are there perks to convince more moral companions to stay as you do immoral things?

Perks to get companions to forgive you for doing something they would never forgive?

Anything other than rewriting them or direct mind-control.

>>44848937
I believe KotoR is actually working on it right now.

>>44848962
Any proof of that?

I've got some time today, I was thinking I might hammer something out.

>>44848937
Love that short.

As >>44848962 said, KOTOR is working on an Original Trilogy jump. No idea on eta.

>>44848995
He posted multiple WIPs. Is that proof enough for you?

>>44848995
Look through the archive, he's posted his WIP document a few times.

>>44849025
>>44849038

>not getting spoon feed

Come on guys

>>44848954
Tugging the heartstrings from generic medical drama, and perfect communication skills from Worm for all three.

>>44848954
There's a perk in Sekirei that helps you smooth over relationship troubles. Sadly, beyond that jump, there's not a lot of perks out there directly for dealing with this that aren't just being so pretty and silver tongued that you could sell the Devil coal.

>>44848954
Dr McNinja has a perk that makes those you lead associate you with everything good that's ever happened to them.

>Graduated High School Because of You (400 CP)
>What you call common sense others call the next best thing to magic. Whenever you’re in a position of leadership you can expect you’re subordinates and the people you’re responsible for to assign every positive in their lives to you. In addition, they will either be in denial of your flaws and mistakes or be extremely willing to forgive.

Quick question: would EX be the correct rank for a Noble Phantasm that can transform into any items (simple weapons or armor, mostly; it can't transform into firearms or vehicles or anything) at any size as long as the total mass of the items doesn't exceed 1000 times that of the wielder?

>>44849392
Sounds about right.

>>44849392
I don't think you would need EX for that, but I also don't think it would be cheap.

>>44849392
It seems fine for EX given the immense versatility and how much material you'd have even as a human, not to mention I assume you'd be wanting it to instantly change forms. Just put a limit on how big it can get, even with the mass, and it should work for that rank. The actual weapons and armour you make won't count as more then E or D rank by themselves at best, but given that even the average human will have 70 tons of it to work with, I'm sure it's not a major issue.

>>44849616
>It's not a major issue in a setting where conceptual is all that matters.
Nah it'd end up being rather useless in truth.

Are the S-mysterious blueprints in the bleach jump for making zanpaktou?

>>44849616
Okay, thanks! I also forgot to ask before, but is anti-unit the correct classification for it?

>>44849616
Eh, I mostly wanted it to replicate the Hero of a Thousand Faces.

>>44849768
Whoops. Second quote was meant for

>>44849642

>>44846213
>>44845603
>>44849616
What are the rulings for this ?

>>44849768
Hm, not actually sure. I think it'd be a bit like God Force in that it has multiple 'anti-' things to represent the different forms it can take. Either that or just have it be anti-army for simplicity's sake. Anti classifications only really come up when it's "Anti-creature type' wherein it deals more damage anyway.

>>44849814
Far as I'm aware, Reality Marbles don't grow by themselves, people just get more used to controlling them. The ones that have grown stronger generally belong to Dead Apostle Ancestors, who both get a boost due to being what they are and also experiment on themselves. So no, buying an NP RM doesn't stifle it's growth because there is no natural growth and you can decide to experiment on it yourself if desired, though you'll need to find a way to do so.

>>44849977
Thanks, again. And I'm sorry to keep bugging you, but what would adding + allow me to do with it?

>>44849977
Do you have to purchase the 800 and then turn into an np. Or can I just be bought as an np. Thank you

>>44850083
You can't add pluses to an EX rank NP, EX is the top level it goes to.

>>44850113
You can just buy it as an NP. You can buy both and they'd stack like any perk purchase does, however you handle stacking perks.

>>44850180
Good to know. Alright, I'm finished with the 20Q now.

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>>44848937
>>44848995
Anon I am working on it. I'm sorry it's taking so long but It's gotta be perfect or else people are gonna hate me more than hated George Lucas for editing the original trilogy in the special editions.

Real life is also stressing me out a bit because of work, school and I got a fucking speeding ticket. So please. Just. Wait.

>>44845144
I'm fairly early so my death dodging is fairly limited. So far I've just got regeneration nanomachines from GUNNM, a few jumps of Karma Chameleon mutations (also GUNNM), UG Cells, and Black Blood. Sadly the use of most of my active Madness stuff interferes with the GUNNM nanomachines (Desty mutters something about inconsistent physics), so when I get serious I've only got the UG Cells and Black Blood for healing, although that usually involves shifting Jormangandr (my demonic Black Blood Mind Worms), into a fully active state, which tends to get ugly for my surroundings.

>>44850180
Thanks val.

>>44850480
KOTOR, wanna hand?

I've come up with a really good format for it more centered around the roles in the Rebel Alliance and Imperial Navy.

>>44850642
That sounds awful.

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>>44850708
Nah, it will be cool man,
Trust me

>>44850480
Is the reason Force Sensitive is so expensive because there were so few trained force sensitive at the time, or what?

>>44850783
Yes, it's exactly for that reason.

>>44850642
No thanks, Brutus and Heart are already sort of helping me, and I've pretty much got everything worked out.

If you want though you could make a Star Wars Rebellion jump.

>>44851288
But wouldn''t that be around the same timeline as your jump?

>>44850642
Where ya been strike?

>>44851288
>Star Wars Rebellion jump

That actually might work

Providing I can kill that little shit MC guy

>>44851349
Doing an Engineering Degree
Getting Defence Sponsorship
Resisiting the urge to murder people

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>>44851288
How would that even work KOTOR? SW Rebels takes place within a few years before the Battle of Yavin. I think that OT should cover Rebels & the movies. Also split the canons up again between Legacy & Disney.

>>44851822
>>44851299
Personally I don't care, It can easily be explained away as alternate universes. However I know that would set a bad precedent so instead he should make something set during the EU.

>>44851969
There's always SW Legacy. Dealing with 100 years or so in the future from Episode VI. The solo lineage is about dead, as is the Skywalkers. The last Skywalker is a druggie bounty hunter that gets high to drown out the force ghosts of his ancestors. Who literally nag him everyday. Then you have the new Sith, and Fel Empire. New Republic has fallen, and it's literally only one fleet now. Fel Empire is basically Galactic Empire v2, but on the Lightside of the Force this time. Aliens aren't decriminated against, and can actually be Storm Troopers.

Yet interesting enough the Sith Order of One is most speciesisally diverse. With just one human, and bunch of other species. Compared to mostly human Fel Empire. Even if the Sith genocided the Mon Calimarians. IT WAS A TRAP!

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>>44849733
I think that's what it's inferring but sadly in the anon that can't into reading comprehension.

>>44852558
rip enix

>>44852708
Out with the old! In with the new! Out with the old! In with the new!

What's the best alternative to the Gift of the Twilight Imperium?

>>44852817
Anti-magic from GMG I think? It's a somewhat nerfed Imagine Breaker without the luck-killing.

>>44852830
Doesn't that scale over time and use?>>44852664
Who's the guy who did the bleach jump they could tell.

>>44852871
It does improve, yes. All the powers from GMG can improve as you use them.

If someone, who knew you were a jumper, were to ask how old you were, what would be your response?

Do you or do you not add the age gained from non-drop-in jumps?

>>44852901
I add the age gained from origins. Those are me, and my history. They're not someone else.

>>44852901
Nearly as old as your Mom.
.
.
.
No, seriously, that'd be my response.
I'm actually somewhere around 14,000, though.

>>44852901
I add the age of my backgrounds. It's all there in my head, and whether I was awake or not, I still lived it in a sense. Therefore, 30,664 years as of jump 352.

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>>44852901

>>44852901
>Old enough.
>I don't even really keep track anymore.
>Funny... before all this started, I was so sure I had less than three years left. I thought either some random occurrence would take me out... or I would, unable to take it anymore.
>And then She showed up, and I made a new friend. They helped me come to terms with what I was, and what I would be.
>After all these years, I guess I'm still me. More so than I ever was back then.
>"So how old are you?"
>Like I said, I lost track a long time ago.

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>>44852901
> "I stopped counting after the first millennia or so."

I don't even celebrate birthdays anymore.

>>44853005

>I don't even celebrate birthdays anymore.

Actually is it just me or does it seem like being a jumper would make this whole birthday thing really confusing after a while.

For example would you go with your first birthday, or your most recent birthday, or all of them (thus 'forcing' sufficiently old jumpers to spends their entire time in an endless recursion of birthday parties).

>>44853073
>>44853073
Most recent, I'd say.

>>44852901
"Old as my eyes, a few months older than my teeth."

>>44853073
I'd go with most recent for people I know in jump, and original which would be Companion only.

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>>44852901
That depends, how long was EVO?
(Thinly veiled question for someone who knows)
Because, it's either 7000 is years, to a couple million.

>>44845144
I built

>>44845450
If said plan hurts something I actually care about (Like a certain fucking everything referenced) I always hit them right before any real damage is done.

If nothing I like is hurt, the "He's right behind me? isn't he." classic interruption is hilarious.

>>44845144
I built a system of robotic body doubles that I can posses like Trazyn the Infinite. Don't use it often, because it's a pretty severe power drop.... kind of like doombots.... fuck.


>>44853073
Reminds me of parade day from futurama....

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>>44853073

>not partying every day anyways

>>44853275
EVO is only as long as it takes you to achieve your goals and hop into the portal to the next era. Gaia won't make you live out all the ages physically if you've pretty much already won them.

>>44853073
I'd say first, just for a little connection to your old life.

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>>44853298
But can I though? I think it would be fun for long game research time stuff, and to legitimately have the ability to say I'm several million years old.

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>>44852901
"The same age as my tongue, and a bit older than my teeth"

And then proceed to confuse everyone further by smiling wide enough to show we have neither tongue nor teeth in our usual avatar. Because if we're going to be a mythical being of unfathomable motivation and ontology, we may as well act the part.

>>44853202
aw, almost ninja'd

>>44853073
>>44853005

We have decided that because of quantum, it's okay to celebrate birthdays whenever we want to.

But yes, as Konata points out it's a pretty meaningless practice apart from being an excuse to bake cake and unleash it on the unenlightened masses.

>>44847392
A few have.
Mike from MST 3K and Kahlua from Rosario + vampire hooked up and wound up retiring in Slice of Life. The Bots went with MIke.
I purposefully Retired my sisters from Nechronica because after being *born* in that messed up hell hole they really deserved a normal life.

Pact jump when?
Every thread until you like it

>>44852901
Given that after a while my Jumper has been doing it at least a thousand years, I'd probably just start noting my age in jumps not years.

>>44854312

Just make it you lazy fuck.

We used to be a lot better about this, but if you bitch and moan for a jump, make it your goddamned self.

If you think you'd suck at it? Well, hey, time to give it a shot and earn some fragments of self-esteem.

>>44854312
Until you make it, anon.
Every thread until you git 'er doooone

In Sims 3 can you earn Lifetime Rewards during the Jump? I mainly ask because if you're not an Occult being a Witch who can cast without a wand costs 700CP. If you can't, what perks would let you cast Sims magic wandless? I think I remember it being ruled you can't use the Sims one to cast Harry Potter magic wandlessly, but does the reverse apply? Is there any other way to learn to not need a wand for Sims 3 spells?

>>44852901
Personnally I count my age in 'cycles', each cycle equals a 10 years period which is the standard in jump length but that measurement only count the jump years, not the origins, i keep a separate calendar for that.

>>44854432
I'm 90% certain this has been answered yes, but if it was the jump name wasn't mentioned, 'cause I can't find it in the archive. Failing that the main arguments against Sims 3 wandless magic alternate between 100CP in Sims 3 != 600 CP in HP, and the fact that it is specifically phrased as an upgrade to the witch perk, reather then a perk itself, so the other way around probably wouldn't get any shit since neither of those apply.

Jumpers once your travels are over and done do you bring your companions back home with you to your original dimension or do you part ways and visit them from time to time? How do you explain them and any waifus to your family?

>>44854719
When all is said and done I'd like to think I'll ask each of my remaining Companions whether they want to stay or go. If they want to stay with me, then I'll gladly accommodate them. Introduce them to the old family, that sort of thing. If they want to go? I'll ask where, and then drop them off.

Perhaps hold a bit of a family reunion. After the initial "getting affairs in order" thing, I'd probably do my own thing. If there's one thing I hope I'll have learned by the end of it all, it's how to let go of the past once it stops being relevant.

>>44848021
So how does it work if you have Softcap and thus infinite potential?

>>44854719
In all honesty I probably wouldn't go home. If I make it all the way through and survive an end jump I'll have lived for eons, had thousands of different families, and made a fuckload of tight friends...

What does this boring world have to offer, at that point?

>>44854804
Teigu are powerful but don't have unlimited potential, so I imagine at that point you'd hit the Teigu's buff cap.

>>44854835
Closure. I'm sure there was something left unsaid when you left home. Something you truly felt and only after this great journey will you be able to truly express.

That, and you left the oven on.

>>44854626
I'm not trying to apply Sims wandless magic to Harry Potter, I'm wondering if Harry Potter's 'you don't need a wand to cast magic applies to other forms of wandless magic. As you said it's a 600CP capstone, so I think it should, but don't know if it does. Or did you mean you're 90% sure this does work?

Failing that any other way to cast Sims magic without a wand would be great.

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>>44854867
>>44854804

Expanding on this: when pushed to their limits, Teigu seem to do weird shit like overheat, exhaust themselves, or in the case of one particular example, attempt to combine with and eat the wielder.
So you'd probably end up either hitting some designated "safety cap" where it could operate without damaging itself, or you'd get a massive power boost for a few seconds just before your Teigu imploded.

Question for you guys (and sorry if this has been asked before, I'm pretty new to Jumpchain):

How do you avoid getting too overpowered? I mean, as a Jumper you're presumably aware of the options available to you so it's kind of hard to justify not going for the most powerful choices.

Example: You do a utility jump to start up (maybe Harry Potter), hop into MCU and become a tank proof mach-speed Asgardian for dem base physicals, go into Tower of God and spend a few thousand years grinding Shinsoo Control as an Irregular, maybe grab a Power Ring from DC, hit up Hellsing and become a Vamp just 'cos, go into Worm and grab that Perfect Social perk + some random OP power...

And then before you know it, you're less than ten jumps into a chain and there's only a few settings left where you'd experience any kind of risk.

>>44855005
Typically people don't avoid it. Even if you don't avoid it though drawbacks often scale to you so there is risk. Though many people tend to view how much power they get from various options differently, such that two people even with the same builds for the same jumps likely consider themselves to be at different levels of power.

>>44855005
So...you go for high power jumps, spend millenia grinding your power, and then get surprised when you're strong? You're a bit dim huh?

>>44854916
The 90% was on being able to get lifetime achievements in jump.
I brought up the reasons why sims getting rid of the requirement in HP got shit as a way to demonstrate why doing it the other way around wouldn't, and said as much.

>>44855005
You usually don't. There are items to hold back your power, you get a couple for free from Monster Hunter and Digimon, available in the imaged jumps folder. There's also a locket in Girl Genius with customized power blockage. If push comes to shove there are drawbacks and jumps that make most high-power jumpers completely shit their pants

There's also maybe that you stop looking for threats and start looking for projects.

>>44855005

>Tower of God and spend a few thousand years grinding Shinsoo Control as an Irregular

Are you seriously surprised that you would be overpowered after thousands of years of training?

>

And then before you know it, you're less than ten jumps into a chain and there's only a few settings left where you'd experience any kind of risk.

This isn't really a valid argument when one of those ten jumps has you there for the same amount of time as hundreds of normal jumps.

>>44855043
Ah, ok then. I had hoped the Harry Potter perk being just a natural ability to do spells without a wand might let it apply to other forms of wanded magic in the way that other some other magic buffs apply to multiple types of magic.

If Lifetime Rewards are in the jump then I'm fine, I can put all my points towards just that, but if they're not I'll need some other way.

Does anyone know any perks that let you cast spells without a focus (wands in particular of course) that aren't tied to their jumps magic system like it seems these two are?

>>44855081

No clue, but I really recommend just spending the extra 100 cp if you take witch.

While useful a lot of spells have problematic side effects if you miscast and/or your spell fails, and the extra 100 cp prevents that.

If I remember correctly there's even at least one spell that will kill you if you miscast it.

Anyone working on a The Gods Are Bastards jump? The setting is pretty ideal for it, imo.

If nobody else is attempting it, I'll probably try do one myself.

What does caliburn and excalibur in fate actually do? Ive seen mention that they are powerful enough to take 7 lives off berserker in one go as anti unit weapons but no mention of how they do that as A++ weapons.

How powerful would an A+++ weapon that does the same (no idea what they actually do other than cut stuff) be?

>>44855237
And you never decided to just look up a video of what they do given they're the most known nps in the show and get used multiple times?

>>44855169
I'm not going Witch, since it costs so much if you're not an Occult. I intend to train Alchemy enough to make the elixir but that seems to mean I can't do the spells wandlessly ever.

The only mention I can find of Lifetime Happiness is someone saying Stupid_Dog has said they aren't a thing multiple times on IRC, that person getting called out by people saying if there's no thread record they don't believe that person, and zero input from the jumpmaker.

I guess that means I just have to put up with the risk of them backfiring, and having to carry the wand around if I want to use those spells at all.

>>44855218
Nobody is. Go for it.

>>44855237
They shoot super special energy blasts. That's it, really. Excalibur is kind of a mary sue; even though it's only A++ it has unique metaphysical properties that make it more beautiful than other Noble Phantasms, and allegedly has a super mode to let it overpower threats to the planet or something.

So basically-Excalibur is a superweapon made by fairies. And Caliburn is a less powerful superweapon that is also a metaphor for Arturia's right to rule.

And probably not significantly more, to be honest. Maybe it's more energy efficient, maybe it has a favored enemy type against which it's more effective. I think Val's ruling you can't have NPs with Excalibur's super speshul OP mode, so it just does what it says on the tin.

>>44855275
To clarify-Excaliblasts are fine, the whole "when the planet is in danger this sword can cleave things that can threaten Types in half" thing is the part that's not.

>>44855218
Also, I've been told the writer is a bit of an SJW. Now, don't get me wrong, we have Twilight and Johnny Test and Ranma 1/2 as jumps so I'm accustomed to narrative unpleasantness but...just how bad is it?

>>44855263
I did. What I mean is I dont understand how they actually work other apparently shooting a localized laser beam that makes stuff blow up or handwaving it just cuts that good. I dont understand the mechanic behind it. Im not talking the antifortress mass beam attack saber does I mean the anti unit one.

>>44855275
>>44855283
Well darn, guess Im back to a pair of swords that can cut through anything and when crossed projects a small shield in front of me. Not sure if its an a+++, swems lackluster but I got no better ideas.

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Alright, I just finished the series, and I gotta ask:

In Soul Eater, did anyone actually mess around with Excalibur? Anyone actually use him?

>>44855266

I'm not completely sure, and it would take a while, but this seems like it might kind of sort of work.

Step 1. Learn how to make a wand. I'm assuming this would be included in becoming a witch otherwise becoming one is useless.
Step 2. Get one of those magitech perks and a magic to tech conversion perk, and use them to make a cybernetic implant that acts as a wand.
Step 3. Get that perk from G.I. Joe that lets you make biotech.
Step 4. Get Reshaping or Crystal Working from Geneforge, or another perk that lets you modify your biology and modify yourself to have the bio-wand as part of your biology.

>The background of the first part of the song Ec Tisia is intended to be a cross-world summoning circle, and the last line in one of the Ar Tonelico OST disks translates to someone (presumably the wills) sending you back home.
>These same circles are present in most of the Harmonics and thus the other parts of the song.
Neat. So if you've heard any part of the song Ec Tisia then you can claim to have already visited Sol Ciel when you get there. Don't even need to have played Nosurge (which is way more explicit) to make the claim.

Wonder if the Wills will realize it's you once they're healed. If so and you helped save the world they'd probably be very happy that you presumably got the message of the song.

>>44855369

Does using him to cut open a portal out of some place so they can toss him away instead of actually using him to help solve the other problems count?

>>44855380
That is actually a good idea. Given there doesn't seem to be a perk to do this I guess this is what I'll have to do. Thank you for the suggestion.

>>44855369
I know Konata for sure did. Podded him, even.

>>44855366
Er...ANYTHING anything? Up to and including concepts and less powerful NPs? Because it...might, if it truly is conceptual cutting craziness? Probably has some stuff it can't cut, but NPs generally do one thing crazy well.

>>44854719
I'm never going 'home'.

>>44855081
I know people have used wandless magic to get around using wands in other settings before, fanwank it as you want its not super useful otherwise.

>>44855366
Didn't you just get told cutting 'anything' is too powerful?

>>44855305
Not bad at all. The first chapters come across as kind of preachy, but they're also from the perspective of a paladin of the Feminism & War & Justice god (who was also literally raised in a nunnery). She proceeds to get absolutely shat on for her uncompromising and unnuanced viewpoint.

There's a metric fucktonne of viewpoint characters, one of whom is a scarily likable rapist.

Aside from all that, it's really well written, has very well developed characters and worldbuilding, is long and updates multiple times a week.

Good shit.

>>44855412
The fact that the god of war and justice is also for 'feminism' is already distasteful.

>>44855366
>>44855400
>>44855411
Cut anything may work if it's like cut anything below it's rank, or possibly cut anything a few ranks below it.

>>44855400
Well I hadn't planned any conceptual cutting or any of that crazyness but maybe an anime style cut the laser beam in half to make it go to each side of me or cut through thick armor stuff. I have a hard time with scaling on these kinds of things so Im not sure whats too much and whats not enough.

>>44855411
I dont think so? Besides anything was a bad choice of words, I mean can cut things of a lower rank.

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>>44855369

In the manga he actually does get used, I think...? Pretty sure he doesn't even require a favor -- it's sortof a "this battle is important enough and you'll get your ass kicked if I don't help you" sortof deal. Apparently he's able to whip out slicing blasts, cut through dimensions, and allows his wielder to fly and move super quickly.
...
That's just what I heard, though. Cannot actually confirm, I don't know shit about Soul Eater, DESU.
Although I do know that the anime and manga diverge and end up going in different directions.
I think you can just decide what canon you're following in the jump, if that matters.

>>44855400
It's not a pod, it's a retained drawback. I don't actually have any pods.
Sometimes this makes me sad. But I'm the sortof person who would go crazy trying to decide what to use them on, so it's honestly better if I don't have them.
Not that I need them for Excalibur.

...
Also, no, I've never wielded him. I tend to mostly ignore him, actually.
Although I do provide him coffee every morning. With cream, just the way he likes it.

>>44855421
This is getting kind of into spoiler territory, but the gods are... really fucked up. They were literally random people who lucked out in some mysterious way and got cosmic power with a bunch of restrictions that pretty much make them miserable.

Avei (god of War, Justice, and Women (not exactly feminism, sorry)) got her domains literally because she was a female soldier in a time when that was super uncommon. That's it.

It put me off when I started reading it too, but since a mate of mine (who I know has good taste) rec'd it I decided to just push through. Totally worth it.

So I have the Hind-blood dagger and Sting from Worm. What sort of things should I expect to be able to not kill with that combo?

>>44855481
Very fast things that run away from you.

>>44855063
>Are you seriously surprised that you would be overpowered after thousands of years of training?

To be fair that's like the minimum required amount of time to be actually relevant in the Tower. It's the equivalent to a few-year timeskip in other shonen.

>Shitty company painstakingly blocked all versions of a song on youtube.
This anime is old enough to drive you fucks.

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>>44854719
It depends on which ones. Some of them have their own lives to live, and loose ends to tie up.

Elodie is, after all, the rightful heir to Nova's throne. So she'll be off to kickstart an age of enlightenment and acceptance and other things we'd feel uneasy about if there wasn't trust between us. And Elune has her position as Azeroth's resident Nice Deity to fulfil. Malefor and Sinha have been talking about settling down to open an interdimensional library post-Spark, write a biopic of the good times and the bad.

Others started this journey with us because they never had a place to belong. Yurko, for example, would only come back to spit on the Empire's ashes. Yion wants to create a world of her own to call home. Orochimaru wants to keep travelling and splicing, and Jibril only wants to spread word to her race that we're in the market for angellic mercenaries of all stripes before we continue travelling.

As for us-yes and no. A simulacrum of who we were before all this will live out the rest of his natural lifespan and die in our world of origin, as if nothing had ever happened.

But we have grand plans post-Spark we have been gathering resources and brokering alliances for the entire chain. If the M:TG omniverse awaits us then the worlds we've safeguarded will never truly be secure, and we will...take measures, to ensure what we wrought will remain inviolate, while working towards the Shining Answer.

Of course we'll stay in touch. It would be more accurate to say we will use the power of the Spark to manifest a subdivided aspect of ourself in each and every world our companions return to, so we'll be right next door even as we're a million worlds away.

>>44855475
Sucks shit that the concept of justice only cares about women. I aint your friend so I'm not gonna tolerate it on some internet poster's opinion.

>>44855516
>I aint your friend so I'm not gonna tolerate it on some internet poster's opinion.

Fair enough lol

>>44855507

Out of curiosity do you have a plan to keep the MTG multiverse from breaking that doesn't require depowering everyone that might be able to deal with the eldrazi if it's pre-mending, or a plan to deal with the eldrazi if it's post-mending?

>>44855492
Yeah it does seem kind of overpowered, cut practically anything and kill anything you can cut.

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>>44855475
To be fair that doesn't sound anything like the worst deities we've ever met. That...doesn't sound like very good qualifications at all, but it's still more than anything the Olympians ever did to deserve their worship. Or the sheer incompetence of Supernatural's divine personages. Don't even get us started on the shitshow the "deities" of Erebus pulled because they apparently treat a divine oath like naughty schoolchildren treat detention.

>>44855481
Something with really powerful ranged attacks?

Something with magical dematerialisation that can't be stabbed normally?

Something more powerful than a Xena Olympian, which can tank daggers blessed with ancient Greek magic and/or is magic enough to dampen Sting's effect?

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>>44854719
To be honest, I'll probably bite it at some point rather than spark so they'll probably be stuck with me rather suddenly back on earth.

If we manage to not fuck it up somehow, probably we'd hit up a series of homeworlds and then do a tour of settings important to us. Settling down would be probably in pokemon primary or mystery dungeon, with vacations to other worlds.

>>44855580
>Xena Olympian
Do we have any kind of benchmarks for gods from that universe?

>>44855502
>power is literally passed out in the form of a cosmic lottery
>some of the gods don't use their power appropriately for their domains
Say it ain't so.

>>44854719
I send a copy of myself to Earth and anyone I promised I'd come back to. They'll get me for as long as that me lives, which ideally should be a long damn time.

>>44848954
>keeping your companions around

8-Bit Theatre has Buds 4-Eva. They might not like staying around, they might work against you all the time, but they'll find reasons to stick around.

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>>44855543
We have several, actually! Now, let's not get ahead of ourselves here-even we have our limits and we're gonna have to play things by ear, probably Vetinari our way through things to avoid getting blindsided so instead of a complex grand strategy with plenty of opportunities for failure we have a number of contingencies depending which end of the timeline we Spark in. These include:

Pre-Mending
-We've been leaving behind battle moons in every world we've visited. They have a number of capabilities reverse engineered from Necron science, the Moon Cell, Soul Hackers programming and Discworld once-and-future programming which we ended to use for reinforcement of a superstructural quantum lattice
-Recent studies in Blame! science have inspired a prototype for a 12-D printer using a combination of dark matter, Mantic energy and AMP to create a sort of space-time expansion superstructure
-We have also been leaving behind Song Towers disguised as mundane ancient ruins. These instead broadcast a wavelength of our Aspect of Stasis and serve as relay nodes to our battle moons as well as pylons for the engineering of artifical leylines
-We have also been conducting experiments with various forms of primordial, spiritual fire and in tandem with a "kiln", more studies into the nature of the World Seed assisted by Glory and Soul Shard technology to create what's basically a metaphysical set of jumper cables (no pun ended) for injecting raw creation essence into a damage universe

(cont'd)

>>44855543
As for dealing with the Eldrazi,
-The Elsewhere Coil is being investigated along with Ray-Drenched Cinders from Fallen London and AIM-based paramagic to study how radiations that can affect that which Is Not can be harnessed
-Speaking of radiations, our studies into the light of the soul in all its' forms have led us to develop a technique involving Enryu's Thorn, the cloning of Cambion souls derived from a Knight of Hell within our soul-hierarchy, our primordial light godess-symbiotes, our Semblance and Light Hawk Wing energy. We're investigating all our holy light sources to find the right "wavelength" and a means to direct it
-There is another plan that involves a complex network of portals, a theoretical behavior of wave-particle phenomena in Song Science-derived replications of Sting as well as Reyner's Shard and the application of Taoist alchemy on a multiversal scale. However, more data is currently needed as we have only recently attained the ability to observe all potential futures in order to direct our existing Observation-based fate operation capabilities.
-The Element of Nothingness, a sample of the red star's fire from Discworld, and the application of Black Moon Crystals to thaumic fission are being studied along with the sum totality of our research into forcefields to determine if a means of absolute negation contained by absolute repulsion in a limited space can be achieved. Thaumic fusion is, at this point, still a hypothetical but if possible could provide even greater quantities of metaphysical fuel.

We must say, though...allowing the Mending to simply happen does have its' merits, especially as we have a number of spiritual practices designed to deny or mitigate absolute effects.

>>44855601
It's been a while, but pretty sure they're more like dudes who can throw elemental effects around. Zeus' thunderbolts from the jump are considered pretty high end ordinance for them, if we recall.

>>44852558
I have no idea how I'm going to be able to afford all that. Good job, you fucker.

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>>44855705
>>44855620
Considering how badly the resident quartet of 8-Bit Theater get along though, we'd expect a great deal of friction to occur.

...

...the bad kind of friction, that is. "Oh gee anon, sorry for damning you to hell for half a decade, no hard feelings right?"

>>44855606
At least none of 'em can do things like, say, erase time a la King Crimson or accelerate the universe until it reincarnates right?

When you think about it, in JoJo everyone is a potential cosmic horror in waiting because your own fighting spirit can potentially literally change the world if you have a grand enough dream.

>>44855504
Yup.

>>44855580
>Or the sheer incompetence of Supernatural's divine personages.
Hey, hey, hey. I will not sit here and let Loki/Gabriel be besmirched. That fucker is hilarious.

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>>44855814
Come now, that's only to be expected. After all angels are self evidently a better class of divine beings than those low-life pagan hicks. A white sheep and an exception that proves the ruleand, etc. That said Supernatural goes a bit far in villainising them when even cool guys like Ganesha are portrayed as cannibals.

>>44848954
It goes both ways but i kind of like this one from Inheritance cycle, you are going to mindfuck yourself a little tho

>300-Bond- Should you forge an actual bond with someone it is for life. Nothing can make you two betray one another, and you grow stronger and fight harder in each others presence

>>44855005
Isn't Tower of God an end-jump?

>>44856152
No? Why would you think that? There's just that one challenge where you have to climb the entire tower.

>>44856158
It was stated that if you reach the true top you get the spark if i'm not wrong.

>>44856318
Nope. Not in the jump. Through there is this:

>If you stay on past the 135th floor and manage to climb to the true top of the Tower you will be awarded a single wish, with out rules or limits if you manage to successfully complete your chain. You will also troll the all the Tower's Rankers so hard their ancestors and descendants both will be able to taste their salt.

A lot of jumps were released recently, is the list is getting updated anytime soon?

Why is lancer such a jobber with such an OP ability in fate?

>>44855944
Supernatural is one of the few things I know of that demonizes elephanthead of all people. Even Lords of Light just does it to show what charlatans the gods are compared to their namesakes.

>>44856400
Because Fate is a bad series made for fapping and sucking idiots with phones dry of their parent's money.

>>44856400
Because Cuchulain is one of those unquestioned mythological badasses. You know he's cool, and you know you can't portray him as not cool without looking like an idiot.

That's why Nasu gave his class dirt poor luck, so Cuchulain could be cool, but still lose because of his bad luck, and have an excuse that isn't his fault.

>>44856420
The phone game came years and years after the VNs, and Nasu shit has always had so little sex I imagine it's there because "My adult VNs need sex!" more than because he wanted to make something to get off.

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>>44856404
Ganesha is a cool guy.

>>44856436
Well yeah, there's a reason why he's pretty much universally beloved by Hindus, who will otherwise fight about which god is coolest and totally most important guys.

>>44856400

Because Lancer is literally not allowed to win because of the orders given to him by the evil priest that stole his Masters command spells.

>>44856431
>>44856420

I think the whole word-of-mouth about King Arthur blowjobs turned off some people as early as Stay/Night. I mean, I was one of them. Until I actually got a chance to play through UBW and Heaven's Feel the whole concept just kind of un-suspension of disbelief'd me. And it doesn't help they were pretty blatently inserted (no pun intended) for fanservice purposes rather than contributing meaningfully to the main conflict's mood.

I mean, they took out the most explicit mana trasnfer scenes from the Ufotable anime and nothing really changed.

In short it's Takeuchi's fault and the VN industry's fault for pandering to the lowest common denominator, not Nasu's.

>>44856504
I hear a lot of people recommend the PS2 version of Stay/Night for that reason. Has the sex scenes cut.

Worst part for me is the Medea/Saber rape. Like what was even the point of that? The kind of losers into that aren't gonna play up until that point since it's only in the end of UBW I believe.

Also Wormslut's entire story ark is needlessly edgy, and that one definitely wasn't done for fanservice. Nasu just likes those edgy horrible abuse rapes for tragedy, wasn't the first time either.

How dangerous is Slayers?

>>44856595
Our protagonist is a murderhobo who flings around high powered spells when angry and her trump cards involve summoning Girl Azathoth in magic form and could potentially end the world if they go out of control/Girl Azathoth (Lord of Nightmares) feels like it.

>>44856606
Sounds like the average DnD party

>>44856624
Pretty sure the anime was actually partially based on someone's pnp games, like Record of Lodoss War.

>>44856436
He's kinduva douche in Lords of Light, though, which is why I felt no remorse in supplanting him for the Star of India drawback.

>>44855944
The show and the lore hits and misses, the fact that all the pagan gods are dbags is a miss, particularly when in later seasons angels are shown to have a broad spectrum of moral players.

>>44856570
Which game did you play it never knew
what a medea rape scene was a thing.
And I agree with you on that

>>44856504
>I think the whole word-of-mouth about King Arthur blowjobs turned off some people as early as Stay/Night.
wot

>>44856625
>Record of Lodoss War
On my short list of anime I love.

>>44856652
In-universe angels having a broad spectrum of moral players (apart from Lucifer for obvious reasons) is a bit of a miss really, considering early on Anna and Castiel described themselves as being emotionless

And then nope, turns out they're all a bunch of very emotional fucks floundering now Chuck's left the building and they're trying to pick up the pieces.

>>44856662
In Fate/Stay Night. Towards the end of one of the paths (I THINK UBW) Saber is captured by Medea, who seems to have been sexually tortured her all night (skirt hiked up, some finger action). The icing on the top of the shit cake for poor Saber in this path is that soon after coming to rescue her, Shirou proclaims his love for not-her (I wanna say Rin? It's been a while) and she has to sacrifice herself to save those two.

She loses really hard there.

>>44856674
Make a jump for us, anon. Be a hero.

>>44856664
Wasn't there a three way scene in the church basement ?

>>44856693
Yeah, I liked it more when they were a bit more alien and eldrich. I'm not sure how much of my current impression of them is the contempt of familiarity versus a shift in how they're written.

Metatron was a great addition, though, both in the character and the actor.

>>44856664
>>44856698
What the fuck is the Fate series about if it's got Arthur blowing people in a basement? I've never seen the series, but I thought it was just about bullshit magic.

>>44856694
God damn that's terrible poor saber.

>>44856625
>>44856674
>>44856694
>Lodoss Jump
I'd jump it if only for access to the amazing soundtrack. Fuck motherfucking YouTube for blocking access to it.

>>44856732
Someone who doesn't even know the basics? It's about bullshit magic spirit wars. It just so happens to have sex scenes shoved in a very few places to make it sell. King Arthur is Saber, and I KNOW you've seen Saber, and she needs to get magic from Shirou somehow, who sucks shit at it doing it properly. And all of a magus' fluids contain prana, magic. So yes, they do it. She also does it with Rin because Rin decided she was going to get both of the people she wanted and made it with both of them.

>>44856732
Oh it is, and had Nasu alone been allowed to write it would be only about bullshit magic. Well. Mostly.

But a dark presence called Takeuchi convinced him to turn it the first game into an eroge. He is also the guy responsible for several other waifus having Saber's identical face because he was the original Saberfag and also one of the artists.

And then, well, after the whole thing got popular one gets the impression everyone Nasu's worked with afterwards has been pressuring him to continue the waifumania to keep pandering to otakus.

>>44856732
Let me summarize fate for you
Stupid mages want to reach the root of everything.
Make a ritual about it but people get butt hurt and want to reach the root in thier own way
They summon heros of old to fight for them the first 3 wars doing nothing
Someone cheats in the 3rd summoning angry manjew God of evil gets ganged
Magic mercenary fights then his idiotic son with a wish to be an "ally of justice" in the next.

>>44856776
Correction for the last one: Magic mercenary's idiot son fights his badass self from the future who wants to kick his ass because his ally of justice shit is going to get him enslaved into being the collective unconsciousness' indiscriminate hitman.

>>44856760
Wait. Does that mean that if you went some type of mage in Fate that your. . . fluids are similarly magical? Unintended consequences are unintended.

>>44856903
Depending on the 'verse you jump into, that'd be a hilariously effective pick up line.

>>44856903
Mana potions are made of seven in nasutown.
>>44856892
Archer made me really mad I liked the whole of his character his hero of justice thing but I got butt hurt when 8 found out counter guardians are alayanas prison bitches.

>>44856903
yes

I swear in kara no kyoukai it actually comes up, that there's pills made for mages who aren't as good magic made out of magus semen

>>44856980
I don't know what to say about that it's a good thing you can purchase magic circuits in jump.

>>44856996
I am trying to be adult about this, but my inner juvenile is cackling about how that'd interact with all the other magic and mana boosting skills out there.

Like, if you had Gift of the Thousand Master and you jump to Nasuverse does that mean you're gonna be backed up all the time?

>>44856996
Even better that being a servant comes stock with a shitload of magic circuits.

>>44856903
Technically it's any bodily fluid, most concentrated in blood and certain other ones other one. Now you can either go out of your way to set up a blood transfusion between compatible donors using advanced equipment, or you can have a quickie. Now which one seems more practical for your average person?

>>44857021
No. You still have a normal amount of semen, but now your semen is magically charged. The more magic power you have, the higher the concentration of magic in your bodily fluids.

>>44857066
It doesn't.

>>44857021
Now you see, the way Nasu magic works it's less that magic enhances your extremeties and more that your body is a conduit of sorts for magical energy.

So your semen outflow wouldn't be affected, it would just be more...potent, in more ways than one.

>>44857066
As I understand it Servants are spirits with a high concentration of magical energy and magic circuits are a modern evolution that occured long after that time. So instead of those they just have a reserve of magical energy, some of which can be used to actually do magic with, some of which is used to maintain their stats. Servants with a higher Mana rating can do more magic with theirs.

>>44857074
Even the weakest ranked servant with E ranked magic has 10 times the magic output of the best human. Does that not translate to circuits?

>>44857084
>>44857074
>>44857021
Note to self: avoid any setting with succubi post-Nasu. You'd be the white fucking whale for those things.

>>44857084
Thank you for the explanation.

>>44857093
They're spirits. They're MADE of magical energy. They don't have any Circuits, as they can't actually produce it like Magi do.

>>44857093
You have to understand, circuits are a MODERN thing that happened to humans as the Age of the Gods (a time where magic was fuckin' everywhere and there were dragons 'n shit) started to end because humanity is slowly killing off Gaia with technology.

In the past there waas magic absolutely everywhere, which translates to Servants, which are basically copypasted spirits who behave accordingly to the laws of magic in the past, being able to do stupidly awesome magical feats modern humans are no longer capable of, because they don't "process" magic from ambient life energy essentially oxidised with their own internal life energy. They just sort of snap their fingers and magic goes and does the job for them.

>>44857093
Well, above they mentioned that servants needed to use the mana of their masters, so I'm guessing that you don't have the whole picture. Not a Fate devotee, though, so I dunno.

>>44857117
Oh shit, to clarify as >>44857121 said Servants also get the actual magical energy for these feats from their Masters. So a more powerful Master=a Servant with higher stats and more capability of wielding their own magic system.

>>44857084
That's why I'm a fan of going caster if a servant I haven't found a better way A+++ mana with HSDW and A+++ territory creation.>>44857097
It's too late anon the horde comes.

>>44857131
Who would you want as your master as a servant I know It depends on the war but I keep rolling prototype when I know jack shit about it.

>>44857190
>It's too late anon the horde comes.
i c wut u did thar

>>44857205
On a basis of pure magic? Illya. She's the most powerful master in the history of F/SN. She was able to control Berserker Heracles and still use her own magic to beat Rin in a fight.

Does someone have an up-to-date list of jumps?
The one on the drive is really lagging behind.

>>44857249
Yes, but Illya's a filthy min maxer who realized that in exchange for a bunch of drawbacks that basically mean she dies by the end of the Grail War, and using a weirdass backstory involving barely sensical crossbreeding, she can have more magical power than she knows what to do with, and then funnel it into a special ability that does whatever she needs in exchange for boatloads of prana.

>>44857386
Exactly. And given that we're Jumpers, all those drawbacks can effectively be taken away so she can have a normal life, making her so hax it's not even funny.

>>44857249
Technically that honor probably goes to Kiara after assuming direct control of several primordial goddesses and the AI of the Moon Cell while simultaneously using her Servant's Noble Phantasm backed up by said AI to transfigure herself into a True Demon but then again something tells me you're disqualified from Master status per se when you start fighting your own battles while your Servant backs you up from the sidelines. And wisecracking at your expense, which in this case you totally deserve

>>44857485
Didn't Kiara only manage to do that because of Andersen or something? Or was it actually her own efforts that caused that to happen?

>>44857386
But as a jumper especially as caster can't you fix her problem and make her better ?

So, aside from HSDW/Mana Core/A or magic and Reality Marble Hax, any good and interesting builds from Fate?

>>44857517
Oh boy, it's been a while since I looked for those translations.

Essentially, as I understand it Kiara hacked her way into the Moon Cel (?!!)...somehow, probably at a point where Hakuno and their Servant beat up BB/Mooncancer/totally-not-Sakura-Matou-meets-SHODAN-you-guys rendering her vulnerable. She used this opportunity to gain control of the Moon Cell, which has recorded all of Type-Moon history in digital format and therefore somehow functions effectively as a computer-based Akashic record that allows her to recreate supernatural stuff from across space and time*. She then basically used her connection to this supercomputer to supercharge her Servant's Phantasm, which turns people into their ideal self. Normally this wouldn't do much because it's C ranked but because she hacked into the bullshit computer and because she has this fucked up ideal of being an apocalyptic messiah his phantasm transfigured her into something like, uh.

Like Buddha-Slaanesh, basically.

And as part of her wish, she absorbed the power of the primordial goddesses the AI had previously downloaded to buff herself, developing a Noble Phantasm that embodies her...unconventional spiritual practice.

So...if Buddha-Slaanesh ate the other Chaos Gods. And if the other Chaos Gods were bullshit powerful because as primordial mother goddesses they embodied the cycle of life and death, and the paradoxical birth of suffering and evil that accompanies the creation of life. Or something.

*I know this part doesn't make sense. I don't understand it either, we just gotta roll with it

>>44857670
Getting individual noble phatasm stifle like the trap of argalia and other improvsational ones to stop enemy servants.

>>44857680
I forgot to add: In most of the routes Kiara dies from one of the AI's frankenservants ganking her, kinda like Kotomine in the Fate and UBW routes. In the true ending, she turns out to have faked her death and performed the hacking at some point from behind the scenes.

>>44856903
>>44856921
>>44857070
>>44857074
>>44857084

THE SEED IS STRONG

Sorry.
I'll walk myself out.

>>44857670
Well, one of my chains had Barkley as my second jump and the first without going Drop-In. Had a bit of an effect on my jumper, considering how fucked that universe is once you look past the humor. My NPs, and pretty much all of my builds in that chain, were based on b-ball.

The first let me manipulate jamicite and slamicite to write the fate of a basketball. The second let me use The B-Ball (the one from Space Jam) to turn myself into the platonic ideal of a basketball player. The third was a RM that dragged everyone caught into a basketball match. People would be sidelined or shuffled around in order to ensure a fair and equal match, and the RM itself forced the other players to understand and accept the stakes of the game. Harm became impossible while the match was going on, but everyone would be dealt damage or healed at the end of it based on their performance during the game.

>>44857964
i love that i had that same a but instead of those I could summon the diabeastie as a A++ rank monster and the chaos dunk as a EX anti world.

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So the real question for Fate is: can I summon best Saber?

>>44858038
>does the extra weight include the bag?

>>44858038
yes you can as long as shes stated right. btw good taste my brother or sister

>>44858053
what noble phantasm rank would that be to have a bag that gifts someone what they want/need and it has to be reasonable like A+

>>44858053
Obviously her weight doesn't include the bag.

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>>44852901
"Old enough to be a plot device in a fantasy story, minus the dying when they help a hero."

>>44853073
I'd go with the first, honestly. Remind me of who I was.

>>44855005
Low-ball the results.

I'm not fucking kidding, just low-ball the results and play it safe. If you're uncertain about how much power or ability something would give, then go with what would be a guarantee instead of what would be a theoretical. If you come across two perks that say "it multiplies your power", make it additive (like x2 becomes x3 instead when you add them both). Pick up redundant perks even if it has a slight difference in HOW it works for the sake of covering all your bases. Play it safe.

Another thing you can do is... well. Go for a theme. You say "it's kind of hard to justify not going for the most powerful choices" but in truth there's all kinds of reasons. Maybe you want to round yourself out. Maybe you don't want to pick up drawbacks. Maybe you just want to explore and focus on other things other than power. At how long you're likely to be at it, you can easily afford to just go with what you think is fun, the power will follow in one form or another. Now granted if fun for you is "being the top dog with no risk", then its your choice, but as you've found out it leaves a risk of putting you in a predicament pretty quickly.

Now granted if you do like... over 500 jumps it's going to happen eventually. But playing it safe/going for a "fun theme" (I say this in quotation marks because the big thing to consider is that one person's fun will be different from another person's fun) will usually stave it off for quite a long while.

tl;dr Relax and goof off a bit

>>44858174

Are we sure it's a noble phantasm and that Saber didn't just learn ancient Christmas magecraft and then used her previous unused ridiculous magic potential to make familiars that make the toys?

>>44858501
can Christmas magecraft be a personal skill ? im tempted to have santa alter as my extra servant but so many good options.

>>44858563
According to side material(and maybe some newer stuff) Magecraft systems are based on belief systems. These include Christianity, runes, the kabbalah, and nonsense like black magic including 'witches fly on brooms' which lets female magi use brooms to leviatate

Considering the last one a system of magecraft based on Christmas doesn't seem that unlikely.

Although I'm not Val so you might want to ask again if you want an official ruling instead of some random opinion.

>>44850480
I love a hand taken universe kotor. Good job so far.

>>44858659
I don't see why not I mean its not gonna be overpowered just making Christmas themed toys and maybe a candy cane sword or two but nothing game breaking.

Can I get some advice about rolling for stuff? I was rolling 1D100 for shenanigans/mishaps involving leaving the warehouse door open for a extended period of time. Since I'm setting up an automated farming system and taking advantage of the Clock of Ages from Chronicles of Narnia to make those harvest cycles go around quicker so that I can grow lots of golden apples. But I rolled exactly 50 and I'm not sure how to interpret that since it's right on the middle.

considering it involves fighting gods, how likely am I to die if I take Smite as a fairly early jump?

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>>44859174

Use this.

>>44859232
That really would depend on your build for Smite, I think. If you work well with your pantheon as a team, have most of the perks from your perk tree and take no drawbacks you should be able to hold your own. You definitely want the capstone of your respective origin, though. Probably don't go drop-in.

>>44859271
Looks interesting,Cheers mate

Anybody know of an item/perk that would let you combine weapons & their effects?

>>44860038
Armsfusion Crafter from Aion does exactly that.

>>44860038
Final Fantasy IX has the Ominous Hammer, which lets you sacrifice an item to give its properties to another item, unfortunately it only works on any item once

Is there any way to get Servants after the war in Fate? Can you just force it through a retarded amount of mana?

>>44847215
Really really low. Probably, e or d rank.

>>44860038
Nine to Five has a decent tool.

>>44860038
Duct Tape Fusion from Invader Zim. All you need is some duct tape.

>>44860210
Val said EX here:
>>44849616

>>44860342
I disagree with her. A weapon changing shape isn't crap vs the ability to block any attack, destroy an entire planet with a single strike, or kill even supposedly invincible beings, which are all examples of canon EX ranks.

does the first jump have to be Pokemon? I'm not a huge fan. I'm older than most anons so my childhood was G1 Transformers, GI Joe, Thundercats, He-Man, and Robotech.

>>44860447
It doesn't have to be, no, but you can't take it later on.

>>44860447
It doesn't have to be. But you can only go to Pokemon if you take it first. It's a holdover from an earlier concept of how Jumpchain would work.

>>44860205
with research maybe but probably not.

Ok weve beat up fate a lot lately so new topic, What did you do on your trip to DC Universe? Where you a super hero? Or a villain? Something in between? Did you steal anything?

>>44860657
>Did you steal anything?
Is that a trick question? C'mon man, we're jumpers.

>>44860683
Fair enough, so what did you steal?

>>44860721
Mainly the Music Meister's shit. All of it.

>>44860210
>>44860342
>>44860426

I'm not completely sure, but it looks like Val was going 'Sure why not".

Although the ability in the post that replies to looks less like 'shapeshifting weapon' and more like 'can summon almost any item they can think of'. It also doesn't mention requirements for the materials only a size limit and a no complex parts limit.

So it kind of looks like they might be able to use this to do ridiculous stuff like drop antimatter boulder on their enemies.

>>44860657
Well, there is that lovely place called Shadowcrest mansion...

Also, all the DNA.

>>44860657
DC was a pretty early jump for me, so my book was about low to mid level street crime. Although I had a JL membership, so when I did team ups I helped with planning before hand and served as comic relief / distraction during the fight.

What did I. . . acquire? Genes, m'boy. I grabbed martian genes, kryptonian genes, new god genes, anyone who had inborn abilities I made it my business to try and acquire a sample for 'science.'

Also, I flirted shamelessly with Zatanna and tried to compare notes as often as possible. She's an insanely powerful magic user, and while I don't know how the fuck you'd replicate her skill, having her as an arcane sounding board was useful.

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>>44860800
I'm the original anon whonwas asking about it and I mostly just wanted to be able to do things like summon hundreds of weapons or pic related.

>>44860800
>summon almost any item they can think of
Yeah, that would be high rank. As long as it's mundane items I would still say it falls well short of EX though. And if it includes extraordinary items there will need to be a limit, even for EX. Cloning EA or a black hole or something would beyond OP.

>>44860827
So, you were DCAU Green Arrow and instead of going for Canary you went for Zatanna?

Pretty legit.

>>44860763
What does he have?

>>44860893
>What does he have?
Class.

>>44860657
I did my best to avoid the Endless.

>>44860874
No, it could replicate EA...but it would just be a hunk of metal with none of it's abilities.

>>44860916
Falls under mundane then. I'd say... A? Maybe B+? It's not as good as the canon EX ranks, not by a long shot.

>>44860827
>while I don't know how the fuck you'd replicate her skill
Her magic is genetic, so just give yourself Homo Magi genes. Since you didn't buy it, you probably won't be able to access DC magic to power it in future jumps, but you can use Conjoined Conjures to power it with magical energy you do have.

>>44860948
>Since you didn't buy it, you probably won't be able to access DC magic to power it in future jumps
>Since you didn't buy it
>buy it
Wait. Zatanna style DC magic was an option? How?

>>44860944
Well with an EX rank, what would you say it would be able to do? Copy lesser magical items?

>>44860988
It's not, unless you count the teleporting and energy blasts.

>>44860997
Probably fairly good magics even. Probably up to the equivalent of A or B rank NP's, with some restriction on type (weapons in this case?). It would also probably have to be a pretty big mana sink while copying mystic abilities for the sake of balance.
Gae Bolg had a similar system, with it's less impressive ability costing less power than it's fuck up an army ability.

>>44860916
What rank is Unlimited Blade Works? I'd say it's a rank or two down - you can only summon mundane items, and can't reproduce their legends, but you can summon any item rather than just weapons.

>>44860988
I think he's saying since you can't buy it, you can't carry it with you

>>44861142
When has that ever been a rule, though?

>>44861106
UBW is A++ rank

>>44861106
It's ranked E-A++. It goes by the NPs that it makes I guess.

>>44861151
It isn't. But mainly that's to do with you being able to physically pick up items and walk away with them, I rather doubt you can take away an entire magic system with you.

>>44861162
so if you bought it for A+++ you could copy A+++ noble phantasms and vice versa for EX?

>>44861274
Considering Knight of Honor (A++) can only "assimilate" weapons up to D-rank? I somehow doubt that.

http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_of_Honor

>>44861320
I was talking about it being upgraded not being the same rank.

>>44861351
Well, for the former I sincerely doubt one "+" is going to make for such a dramatic boost in power

Dunno about if it was EX ranked, though. Maybe it could copy up to rank A ones, not sure at all if it could go higher, to be honest.

>>44861320
Knight of Honour can make anything the user uses as a weapon a D-rank Noble Phantasm. Actual Noble Phantasms retain their rank, and he almost stole Excalibur in his final fight with Saber.

>>44861320
No, that's if he picks up a mundane item. It preserves the rank of higher items.
>He is able to naturally control any weapon that he wields as if it were an extension of his arm and a favorite weapon with which he specialized in and polished his skills for many years. The items will be advanced to D rank Noble Phantasms, and if he takes another Servant's Noble Phantasm of a superior rank, its quality will be maintained while under Berserker's control.
Straight from the wiki.
>>44861274
It would be a rank down, like UBW is, or else you couldn't copy the same rank at all. And remember that Both Knight of Honor and UBW had limits. UBW only worked on medieval weapons, and Knight of Honor required for you to actually get your hands on the item in question.
NPs are supposed to OP as hell, but one that theoretically gives you access to multiple NPs of the same rank is waaaaaay too much.

>>44861398
Actually, my mistake. He only used it on Invisible Air, so I dunno.

>>44861413
Huh. I stand corrected, then.

Is there anything he can't assimilate? Presumably since Shirou couldn't trace Ea he wouldn't be able to capture a phantasm rated higher than Knight of Honor?

>>44861396
>Well, for the former I sincerely doubt one "+" is going to make for such a dramatic boost in power

It literally doubles it.

>>44861441
Maybe, but maybe not. Requiring him to take a weapon from his opponent is actually a good balance, because other than Gilgamesh, everybody only had a couple NPs that would be extremely hard to take from them as they would be trying to kill you with them whenever there was a chance to actually get them.

>>44861477
No, it doesn't. A++ is 150, A+++ is 200

>>44861477
See >>44861506

>>44861413
What about only being able to copy the abilities of items you actually own? For example, it wouldn't be able to copy Excalibur normally, but if you took the King Arthur jump and completed the drawback that gives you a copy of it, then you could. And anything other weapons in the warehouse.

>>44860038
Armsfusion Crafter from Aion is pretty much exactly that, I think.

>>44861543
Already mentioned literally right after the question.

>>44860106
>>44861543
Whoops I am blind sorry

>>44861516
That is possibly the least helpful comment I've ever seen in /jc/, and that says something.

>>44861413
so A+++ would be able to do A++ while EX could do A+++ ? amd whats your reality marble im trying to find a reason not to be lazy and get UBW

>>44861530
As long as it only copies one set of abilities at a time, I don't see why not.

>>44861530
So it would essentially be a discount Gate of Babylon, allowing you to create copies of any weapon in your warehouse?

>>44861602
Stick around longer. I'm sure someone'll top me soon enough.

>>44861477

Scale E E The Base Parameters work on a short scale, as follows. Human Peak, for ease of measuring, refers to the current peak in our world, not the theoretical maximum the human body can output. For reference, the peak for Magic would be Tohsaka Rin, a genius magus in the FSN series. E- x10 the human peak. D- x20 the human peak. C- x30 the human peak. B- x40 the human peak. A- x50 the human peak. +- Each doubles the rank it is applied to. A+ becomes x100, A++ becomes x150, A+++ x200) EX- x500 the human peak

As long as we're talking Noble Phantasms, I had an idea for one. Basically a mundane weapon, except it can't actually injure its opponents. Instead, it forces them to acknowledge the injury, like in old tournaments like when you pretended you were actually injured despite using fake weapons. If someone is "killed" by the weapon, they acknowledge in their soul that they were defeated, and can no longer oppose you - they cannot take up arms against you or the cause you fought for in the future.

So uh. About Disney jump. Can you still explore Atlantis: The Lost Empire if you don't take the Atlantis-related drawback?

And in Age of Mythology jump, can you splice the mythological beasts there into other stuff?

>>44861767
I'd say a strong B rank

>>44861767
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what's going on here. Is it kind of like a nerf bat that make people give up and start crying if you whack them with it enough times?

Anyway uh. Since it can't actually injure people I'd say solid B. Maybe A+ if it works on folks with abiliies like high Independant Action, Battle Continuation and the like?

...

...is it wrong I'm imagining it as one of those items that lets you make comedically harmless attacks at people, but as an NP? Like a Frying Pan of Bad Omens or something.

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>>44858038
>Alter
>Best Saber
>Not Richard

Fucking plebs