Quietly delivering high-yield or otherwise heavy or complex payloads that are too large to fire out of a firearm/magnetic weapon. Also, if lasers/magnetic weapons are standard, good for avoiding detection.
Also, for sport. You think people won't still hunt or shoot for fun in the future?
>>44839304 Ultra-lightweight, highly durable materials in a silent weapon that can carry a powerful punch. It can be made entirely with non-metallic materials so it can slip past metal detectors. Not only can it be used to kill somebody but also carry any kind of equipment that can fit into a bolt without having to alter the weapon at all; grappling hooks, cameras, microphones, explosives, etc.
>>44839304 Easy to make in colony conditions without access to industrial mag-tech or proper propellant explosives. Easy to print using home manufacturing equipment when contemporary weapon designs are filtered out by hard-to-crack security software. It's a criminal mainstay.
>>44839304 Infiltration and delivering specialised ammo.
Its smaller than a rocket launcher but can take explosives and such if theyre made into an appropriate quarrel, swapping ammo is fast, its far quieter than 90% of guns and even suppressed weapons make noise up close, they have use in pinning enemies if you want to take them alive.
Modular, gadget based ammunition! Remote cameras, infiltration drones, electroshock stun sentries, zero point gravity tethers, shield projectors. I mean yeah, guns can do that too, but I think crossbows would make them more fun.
While it may not seem reasonable to have a crossbow in a sci-fi setting, you have to remember that the arrows can be made with tougher/stronger materials to help penetrate more advanced armor suits. Plus as others have mentioned, great stealth weapons, and the ability to modulate the ammunition.
>>44839304 1. Silent 2. Light 3. Can have many types of bolts 4. Harder to pin-point you after you do a assasination 5. Easy to smuggle past someone 6. Shooting a fucker with a crossbow is more fun that doing it with a gun 7. Chewie did it and looked awesome 8. Deus vult
>>44841084 Okay so the problem with firearms is they are loud, really goddamn loud. Suppressors help, but they are still really goddamn loud. The majority of the noise comes from the gas escaping from the cartridge, that picture is of captive piston ammunition. What happens is that the piston seals the casing preventing the gas from escaping. Essentially making the actual firing of the weapon silent, the soviets/russians took the concept more seriously than others. The problem with captive pistons is that they can't be too powerful or the piston would break out of the casing, and so they have to use high mass projectiles to be lethal at any range. The 7.62x42mm round in that picture, used in the PSS and the OTs-38, has a maximum range of anywhere between 25 to 50 meters (For comparison .45 ACP's effective range is ~92 meters).
>>44841342 >>44841415 Oh, another question. I always hear people saying silencers "don't work like they do in video games." Is that just about how much they reduce the noise level by or are there other differences as well?
>>44841522 Well, the main reason silencers/suppressors are used is to hide muzzle flash, to get the quiet(er) part of the deal you would need subsonic ammunition, which has a shorter effective range and with the exception of 9x39mm is weaker than usual ammunition. Also this is the PSS firing captive piston ammunition, the sounds that are being made are from the cycling of the action, the noise the PSS makes while cycling is theorized to be the reason the OTs-38 was created. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcaoA4CDZY
>>44841743 That would likely be more of a sniper weapon, where this is more intended as a sneaking weapon. Also, again, it could be made of materials that would be far harder to detect or place as a weapon this way, making it convenient for transporting.
>>44842149 >Breaks down into small individual components >Generally made of plastic >Individual pieces don't set the authorities haywire at airports to name a few. I'd still have an issue transporting the ammo though, since that's still dangerous. But sniffer dogs aren't trained to smell bolts, vs gunpowder so there's that I guess.
Modern hunting crossbows can kill big game out to 240 feet or so, could probably kill a person considerably farther.
Also, I've heard that crossbows have much better armor penetration at short ranges, although it seems doubtful. But if anyone else has heard it or has evidence to corroborate, that would be another potential niche.
I do like Crossbows and even in a futuristic setting I would still have them available in the same way a knife or a sword would be because the invention of a gun didn't suddenly make stabbing or poking less effective.
That and considering this is a fairly advanced setting by the looks of it you could have arrow heads and systems that allow you to be more versitile with a crossbow such as having a special arrow head that embeds itself inside of, say, a combat droid and overrides it's normal functions causing it to zerk out on it's own handlers or something of the sort
In anycase, a crossbow can still be used without any sort of complex technology or powersources that other futuristic weapons may require and that can be an advantage by itself, especially if you can lug around a crossbow that shot 2 or 3 times the draw weight a normal human wouldn't be able to handle but you can with your cybered up body.
>>44842257 wow 240 feet thats really cute you sure showed me anon
Are you people seriously trying to imply that in a futuristic setting weapons researchers and manufacturer's were just like "oh well the gun is fucking finished better see what we can do with this crossbow thing I guess".
>>44842347 From what I've heard, modern powder has all the oxygen it needs to combust in the stuff itself, so having no atmosphere isn't a problem for firing it. Rather, cooling the weapon becomes the problem.
>Crossbow bolts suddenly stop being harmful because better technology exists
There could be plenty of justification depending on the setting. The aforementioned relative quiet-ness of a crossbow or delivering chemical payloads. Shit maybe this setting's shields only react to energy or objects traveling over a certain speed; crossbows hit that nice sweet spot where they pass right through.
Maybe they're the tech path a certain alien race took: Everyone else went lasers and gauss, but these aliens REALLY REALLY liked their high torgue bows
Maybe the most common crossbows are still almost entirely mechanical in nature and still operate just fine after being shocked with an EMP, plus they give off zero energy signature.
Maybe technology ebbed and flowed for a bit, a war happened and tech was lost. When someone found the weird backwater crossbow factory entirely intact they became one of the more viable methods of murdering one's fellow man
>>44839304 robotic units fighting for the main antagonist base part of their targeting protocols on equipment used to detect firearm and laser/energy etc weapon fire. Able to pinpoint the exact positioning of a small firearm through the use of advanced acoustic organs.
the delivery of specialized rounds without giving off an electronic signal
futuristic crossbow made from from strings of space whale baleen can actually propel projectiles with more speed than conventional ranged weaponry/ space magic
>>44843113 Because you people don't take in anything you're reading, you're just circlejerking about crossbows refusing to take in any advice at all.
>>44843147 I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I like crossbows.
I just don't like how you stupid faggots justify their use over clearly superior tech aside from rule of cool. Because there is no other reason.
>>44843189 Not a crossbow, but some stupid little cunt of a cousin fired a bow straight up(Fun game apparently, I like it better when I know I'm playing first though.) and the arrow actually ended up striking me in the collarbone on the way down.
>>44842943 >OP: Let's contrive some sci-fi settings in which crossbows are used, either niche or widespread. >Anon: Here's a setting I contrived! >Assburger: This setting is so contrived! You guys are all idiots! This is just a setting! What fucking dumbasses!
>>44843289 Let's straighten out Watsonian versus Doylist reasons . Rule of Cool is the reason why we're trying to justify using crossbows. Crossbows are cool. That is the Doylist reason why we would put crossbows in our setting. We're all pretty much on the same page that crossbows are cool as fuck. There's nothing more to be said there.
You're complaining about people coming up with Watsonian justifications as if you think we don't know the Doylist reason we're talking about this.
>>44843417 Most if not all modern weapons are self-oxidizing, so they carry the oxygen they need to combust with them. The biggest problem with shooting in space would be preventing the gun from overheating.
>>44839304 It has to do with the way shields work. It's certainly possible to build a shield that deflects all incoming material; however, doing so is completely useless for infantry purposes, as the instant you turn it on it will attempt to deflect the planet you're standing on, and either simply burn out instantly or send the wearer pinwheeling wildly into the atmosphere and/or the ceiling. So, infantry shields are designed to deflect only high-energy incoming projectiles, such as bullets. Therefore, lower-energy attacks, like fists and thrown rocks, will pass through the shield unmolested. Crossbow bolts are actually on the upper end of this 'sweet spot', and are thus occasionally deflected, but it's safer than closing to fisticuffs range with a man in powered armor. Military crossbows generally use miniaturized HEAT charges to defeat such armor, but some other variants, such as sensor-blinding micro-EMP warheads, exist.
>>44843289 Actually combining some parts of all of the oh so horrible excuses.
Better range than piston cap, no problem of overheating in non-atmo environs, actually pretty silent, beats rail due to lower power cost and less cioldiwn time, easily made in low metal worlds, and fuck it, ease of munition switching.
>>44843599 You can't. There are no situations where you can use a melee weapon in a sci-fi setting. There are no sci-fi settings that justify using melee weapons. You'd only do it because it's cool. Anyone that says anything other than rule of cool is a deaf idiot.
>>44840138 I'm sorry you live in a state where only four days out of three hundred and sixty five go by without a police officer shooting someone and the ease of access to firearms ensures that mass shootings transpire on a weekly basis.
>>44843599 Any tool in the hands of someone with intent is a weapon. Everyone on a space ship would likely have some tool training and some on hand, which in case of an ambush means they'd have something to ultimately defend themselves with. That said, some people likely would prefer it when all's said and done.
>>44839304 Materials Science has advanced far enough to where it can replicate forces previously only possible with Chemistry. Carbon nano-wires under tension silently (due to near perfect energy transfer to kinetic force and being mounted on friction-less linear slides) fires a bolt covered with MEMS micro-channel stabilizers that can adjust course to seek out a target.
>>44843835 >>44843599 Melee weapons never run out of ammo, are good for close quarter combat, and could easily be the sort of thing that doubles as tools. A wrench, for example, can be used as bludgeon or for it's intended purpose.
You might need something that fires projectiles at a lower velocity than a gun does. For instance, if the projectile is an EMP device too delicate to shoot from a gun, or if there exists some sort of forcefield that only stops things moving extremely fast (i.e. Kevlar). In addition, the payload doesn't have to be specifically manufactured for the crossbow the way bullets do for guns. Using the EMP example, you could just tie the device to a regular crossbow bolt.
>>44843835 >CQC on a ship >range is useless because of twisting corridors >if you miss with a gun, you depressurize your section >silent so you can take out one guy without immediately alerting his buds and letting them know where you are
I think everyone knows that in a man-made atmosphere with a low oxygen recycling (like spaceships) there's no way one can use a normal firearm, likewise smoke a cigarette. Energy weapons are good but need energy (obviously), with probably combact-specifics battery not selled in every general store. So crossbows are really good weapons, even in sci-fi universes for all the above mentioned points
>>44845328 Don't need oxygen for normal firearms. The gunpowder contains its own oxidizer. It always has. If you rely on atmospheric oxygen, the combustion takes too long, and doesn't actually explode the way you need it to. There's just not enough oxygen mixed in there, especially in a tightly-packed powder.
>>44845385 No, most people actually care about verisimilitude and end up making worlds that make sense instead of plot holes already being built into the framework of the world before the story starts. If you're putting something strange into your setting then you better have a justification for it.
>>44839402 And why are crossbows better than magnetic weapons in that context? The only reason that a magnetic weapon isn't as silent is because usually you'd tune it up to the point the projectile is supersonic. But you don't actually have to do that.
If you can adjust the tension to go subsonic with a crossbow without having to use an external powersource why waste the energy to do so? I think this would make sense especially if you were forced into a situation where you can't easily recharge your weapons and the arrows are reusable.
>>44846333 I'd imagine railguns are pretty tightly tuned to the projectile, and dependent on solid metal mass.. You're pretty much only shooting ball bearings. As opposed to green-arrow-esque techno-utility quarrels.
>>44839304 It's not really a crossbow, it's the exhaust fins for the rail gun. You cock them back against the rails, fire a few times, then they snap forward to cool off. The silent fire mode is a situational option, using the spring actuators to pop the fins forward to propel the bolt.
>>44846434 >If you can adjust the tension to go subsonic with a crossbow without having to use an external powersource why waste the energy to do so? Because the resulting weapon is much smaller and of a more efficient shape. Why have two big bow arms on the end of your gun if you don't have to?
>>44846472 There's no reason you couldn't fire whatever you want out of one, as long as a part of it was magnetic.
Would they? That's the problem with open ended questions like these because that's information we don't have and have to assume which is up in the air based on people's personal preference.
Maybe in whatever setting you create the powersupply is compact and the gun is no bigger then what you see being used now adays. Maybe laser/rail/gauss weapons are actually bulky and need to be hooked up to a back pack or vehicle mounted or, at the very least, require you to have some kind of strength augmentation to use.
So at the very least we can agree a low tech weapon that doesn't require high tech parts to work is generally good in a survival situation. Being made of some unobtanium just helps that along as well although doesn't help in the department of recreating it from scratch (hence re-usablility of the arrows being key).
Also, we've never specified if this is actually for military combat use. You don't see infantry men running around knifing dudes left and right or using Crossbows but a special forces team might find a use for it in a limited capacity where it meets their needs or maybe you just have a rag-tag group of dudes in a BYOG situation and one of them brought his high tech crossbow because he had nothing else.
>>44839304 Gunpowder is outlawed. Ironically not because the potential to be used in firearms or any such safety regulations, but because detonating it in even the smallest amount is unacceptable pollution of the environment. Same goes for gasoline and couple other substances. Armed forces are back to javelins, slingshots, bows and crossbows.
Ranged weapon of choice for the everyman spacefarer. Guns would be more common on larger ships and space stations, where you can afford the plating or shields or what have you, but firing guns on smaller ships is risky business.
Plus, you might have to do external repairs or maybe get rid of vacuum-born wildlife, so you want a weapon that is light, non-metal (because of cold-welding, possibly static buildup too, dunno), doesn't need a battery or overheat like railguns. It's simple to maintain and repair, especially as there's no damage from combustion.
The ammo isn't combustible like firearms, you have your utility bolts like a grappling hook if your tether broke or you run out of RCS fuel. Assuming that higher quality amour and weapons would be expensive, possibly even banned, this would be "good enough" to stop low-tier pirates and petty thieves. 3D printing more ammo would be cheap and easy because it's a single material, no chemical components.
You COULD have a power source, electric or pneumatic, which still leaves the crossbow operational after you're out of power.
>>44846766 >Would they? That's the problem with open ended questions like these because that's information we don't have and have to assume which is up in the air based on people's personal preference. No, see, that's where we disagree. It's not personal preference, it's common sense.
You even have a real world equivalent in firearms centuries ago. They used to bring gunpowder separately, but that has an enormous amount of issues.
The same issues would go for giving magnetic guns separate power supplies.
There's just no point, logistically and in the way the arms end up performing in combat. That has nothing to do with personal preference.
In the future, humans are still squishy. But 3d printers and automated design-assist programs are super common.
So while dedicated military forces may need to min-max every joule of their lasers and missiles; for casual fighters just out to whack some other casuals - be they gangs, home defense, martial artists, militias, you name it - any given weapon from a 3d printer will fuck someone up so there's no point being perfectly optimal, because everything is good-enough. Using a weird weapon may even give the advantage of surprise.
Hence, wireless lethal tasers, self-loading crossbows with heat-seeking arrows, custom warhammers, rule of cool it. For amateurs, surprise is 90% of the battle and creativity is the rest.
>>44847518 >>44847238 I was thinking Firefly writing that. That one episode with Vera, they all just stand in the airlock with their crossbows firing squad style instead of the one shot. Less story tension but a legit better idea in-universe
>>44847919 Because your statement was actually false, verisimilitude is pretty damn subjective. Personally almost all the silent, no power, no overheating reasons given don't break it for me, however pedants and autists anything but hyperrealism is going to cause them to have a prolapse of their rectal cavity. Hence why they have no friends.
>>44841522 Basically a silencer is a tube with a chamber at the front for gas expansion followed by a series of baffles. It captures the propellant gases from a fired cartridge, eliminating or reducing the exploding propellant part of a gunshot's sound.
As a positive side effect of the propellant gases slamming forwards into the baffles and being captured, felt recoil gets reduced. The extra weight of the suppressor helps with that too.
Most cartridges loaded to normal specs throw a bullet faster than the speed of sound, producing a sonic boom. You still get a sonic boom when you shoot a cartridge like this through a suppressor - however you can still get away without wearing hearing protection (outside at least), so easier to communicate/hear stuff. Also, without flash/muzzle blast noise, it's harder to pinpoint a shooter's location by sound.
The way you get to video game level suppression is subsonic ammunition (no sonic boom) - they're loaded with heavier projectiles to make up for being loaded to subsonic velocity. The KE difference between sub- and super-sonic is smaller in pistol cartridges (lower velocity to begin with) but gets truly significant in rifle cartridges. They drop faster, travel slower and don't hit as hard.
Point: compound crossbows and bows probably shouldn't be used to shoot wood - arrows/bolts shot through either are exposed to a lot more stress being shot compared to the traditional versions and any arrow or bolt with inconsistent shaft composition is more likely to straight up explode if you try it (which is why aluminium and carbon fibre are the standard).
You can reuse the ammunition, but at the same time you probably wouldn't be able to make more.
>>44846472 Guns in mass effect were really neat in the first game.
Guns dont have ammo. The ammo is a block of dense metal shaved off by Nano robots as you shoot and you don't realistically need to worry about replacing it because the killing power comes from the speed
Yes but we don't have a real world equvialent of a man portable rail gun system, not yet anyways so when I said personal preference it's in regards to where and how technology advances within one's own setting.
>>44848897 Yes, but we have the real world equivalent of a weapon system that houses both the power and the projectile in the same package, because that overwhelmingly makes sense.
Sure, it's 'possible' that something else could turn up with technology, but if you think so, can you think of an example? Because I sure can't. Power supply is always the biggest factor for mobile devices. Just bringing a lot of power with the ammo is likely the only reals solution.
Volume of the projectile. Everyone in the setting hates how barbaric it feels, but you can fit a lot more circuitry/nanomachines/whatever-other-tech-shenanigans in a 12 inch bolt than a 9mm slug. REALLY advanced tech requires a longbow purely for the extra volume of the arrow.
Or if you need to carry a super science rope/grappling hook system. A grappling bullet seems a bit... stupid.
>>44839304 Special circumstances. If a stray electromagnetic field or noise or spark would set something off, use a crossbow. Or if you have to sneak it past security, as long as there's no metal or other easily detected components. Or if you just felt like pinning a soft target to a wall with a foot-long quarrel, for the reactions.
2: she is wearing robot boots that make her legs look digitigrade like shitscrible pic related.
Now, to OP:
I usually justify it by having weapons not be 'crossbows' in the traditional sense, but be some other futuristic weapon that looks like a crossbow for some other superscience or cultural reasons, like Chewbacca's crossbow thing.
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