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Should I buy anything else with the core set as someone starting out? I heard two core sets is the way to go. Is there any difference between the TFA and originals, or is it safe/smart to buy one of each?
TFA ships are more expensive point-wise but are better in their own way. TIE/fo's have 1 sheild and are more maneuverable than TIE/Ln's but the original TIE's have more named characters. The T-70 is a straight upgrade compared to the T-65 which is sorely lacking IMO compared to it.
Mandalorians were never badass.
Boba did nothing. Jango did nothing.
The only reason Mandalorians were ever "badass" is because some hack of a writer decided that they were her super special mary sue race.
>tfw getting choked by an overgrown kowakian monkey lizard
>led their people to near extinction
>they would be willing to do so again
You, I like you, your puns are high quality.
Alright man, I know that the whole Traviss thing causes division amongst the ranks pretty hard, but she isn't the one that started the mando-wank. She just made it far worse than it had ever been. The old marvel comics started it and the other comics continued it after they were mercifully taken from marvel, and yes.
Yes I do. It was back when they were shrouded in myth and road crazy dragon robots and Boba's backstory was that he was just wearing the armor of this crazy warrior cult.
There's more variety in buying different ones, like R2 is only in the original, BB-8 is only in TFA. That and depending on what your overall goal is, buying the same core can net you more of the same ships, but you don't get as many of things from the ship expansions, like if you plan on just having 3 T-70s, buying 2 cores and 1 Expansion just nets you 1 Integrated Astromech card.
>crazy warrior cult
I wish it was this interpretation that had become the mainstream. The idea of a culture that exists entirely independent of its founding species is very interesting, and opens up a lot of room for things like Mandolorian enclaves chafing against local regulations, or people hiding among Mando clans to abuse their protection
Instead, we get spess vikings who become spess Weimar pacifists after they get the shit kicked out of them
Proof that TotJ was wonderful, along with such things as pic related. It always bothered me that they give species to every little thing, but not the hot medusa devil girl in this.
TotJ is just a wonder to behold in terms of variety of literally everything.
Wish they kept that kind of vision for stuff later on.
Warrior cults aren't often praised for their ingenuity, or longevity
And to be fair, the Mando's made a good run of it, if your enemy is forced to weaponize gravity to stop you then you must have hurt them badly
Talking about cults, I love just how many there are when you think about it. There are all the light side cults; wardens of the sky, jensaarai, those other ones that Luke thought his mother might be part of, the kel dor group, on and on, all the dark side cults; sith, krath, nightsisters, ect, all the warrior cults; like the mandos, sun guards, and echani, and all the weird cults; like Waru.
It adds to the star fantasy feel quite nicely I find.
Thulsa Doom is definitely in the weird, there is something from outside the universe going on with that crazy shit. I mean, have you ever heard James Earl Jones's voice? That shit is out of this world, and all the bitches, you know that you can't have that many bitches in one place without it exploding into the most massive furball possible. So yeah, its Waru tier crazy that.
Simple answer: Keeping the peace is not out yet, and don't expect it to be for a long time, the next one being worked on is mask of the pirate queen. Gatekeeper already exists in pdf format.
It actually is available:
The GM for the group I'm currently in had it at the table, so I know it's physically available. I was just hoping to get a pdf copy before I could afford the physical copy.
Finished TCW lately and just started watching Rebels.
Jesus, there's such a sheer drop in animation/artstyle quality. Everything looks so... plastic? Smooth? Either way, it's just not a good look.
Why do rebels get all the good large ships? YT-1300 and YT-2400 are proven competitive staples that everyone is afraid of, while the next best ships are Aggressors, then Decimators (sort of), and then all the stuff nobody ever plays (Slave 1, Lambda, Hound's Tooth). To make matters worse, the Ghost looks insane already, and we don't even know what's happening with the Punishing One (although it looks promising). I guess I'm just wondering why the scrappy underdogs have the best heavy, hard-hitting ships.
Problem is that most of the Empire's larger ships are all too large for XWM, leaving mostly TIE variants to draw on. Imp starfighter doctrine almost always relied on shitloads of TIEs.
Are you talking about this kind of guy?
No idea what species he is, but you could make something up with your GM. Lots of strength, low speed and intellect
Yeah, that'll happen when you stop having 3 million to make an episode. TCW looked great but fuck was it expensive
You get used to the new look though, especially once you start picking up the McQuarrie references
>Star Wars isnt really a setting of shark/dino-men.
well excuse me then
I mish-mashed this from other species, hopefully it's not too good/shitty:
Abilities: Amphibious - Breath underwater, no movement penalties under water
Sharp Teeth: When making a Brawl check to damage opponent, +2 Dmg, Crit 4, and Vicious 1.
One rank in Survival, can't go above 2 in Char Gen.
Dropbox and Mega. I think the former will disable downloads of a single file if there's too many downloads in a short period of time.
>3 million per episode
Jesus, I had no idea TCW was so expensive.
Did he even get money back on that?
Or did he just pour money into it because he wanted it to look good, no matter whether he made a buck? Because I can't see Disney ever doing anything of the sort.
>Anon doesn't actually know what Star War is a setting of.
Come on man, not only are you kind of an asshole with that statement, but you are so wrong about the existance of shark men, dino men, or shark/dino-men that it actually kind of makes me angry. What is a Karkarodon, what is a Trandoshan, what is a Ssri-ruuk, what are any number of crazy aliens in star wars? Seriously man, open mindedness to creativity is how we Star Wars, I would say how we /swg/ but we are usually to busy bitching about something we don't like so I couldn't lie.
Why the fuck did he even sell it to Disney in the first place?
>everyone bitched about Lucas and the prequels
>then Disney came along
I bet everyone is gonna be wishing for Lucas to come back.
It was very much a product of its times: the edgy 90s.
Though it is pretty interesting how TotJ was the series that introduced the double bladed lightsaber and not the Phantom Menace. I also enjoyed the fact that Exar Kun and Uliq Qel-Droma didn't change their lightsaber colors to red.
The prequels are pretty bad though. Even the best defenses of them I've read argue from the back foot, or try to find points that are good amidst the dross
Pouring his own money into a cartoon that requires a machete order to fully appreciate doesn't mean he treated it well
So far Disney is up one good film, a few good books and a lot of crap ones but hey, EU quality varied too
>I bet everyone is gonna be wishing for Lucas to come back.
Fuck that shit. Lucas hasn't had a good idea in ages, and the only reason TCW worked was in spite of Lucas. TFA was an awesome movie that finally got what Star Wars is supposed to be. The only thing that's inferior is the Disney EU, which Lucas had no part in anyways.
he didn't specify exactly WHY he sold, but if you pay attention to interviews in the years leading up to the sale, you can see he's basically depressed. He even at one point said "why would I make any more [Star Wars movies] when everyone says how awful I am?"
It sucks, too, because JJ pretty much immediately threw out everything that George had prepared for the sequel trilogy and beyond. You'll note that as soon as he was brought in to direct VII Michael Arndt, the previous writer, was kicked off and JJ took over writing in his place.
And Kasdan had very little input on the movie's script, I can guarantee that, despite having co-writing credit.
I wouldn't mind him back as an idea man, the man was great with ideas but really had trouble with realizing them without throwing way to much bullshit in with them. As it is I really don't have an issue with what Disney is doing with the franchise so far, sorry. That aside, I will again say, letting Lucas be an idea man would really take things to the next level.
>Why the fuck did he even sell it to Disney in the first place?
Billions of dollars, yo. That's a price even the most devoted of creators would think twice about rejecting.
General theory is that he wanted to see more Star Wars made, but knew he'd dropped the ball on the prequels and that nobody was gonna trust anything with his name on it.
So he sold it, in the hope that more Star Wars would happen.
Actually, big chunks of TCW were a result of using Lucas right. As a hands-off idea man filtered through better writers and directors.
Lucas's largest contribution to TCW was Mandalorian Pacifists and bringing back Maul. Both of which are still fucking stupid, but managed to be executed to the point where they weren't as stupid.
He sold everything for basically a fraction of what the company is worth. It wasn't about the money, really. Plus, 2 billion in Disney stocks aside, he put the rest immediately into the George Lucas Educational Foundation.
Not that bad when compared to the rest of the series? They had already established Weird Stuff in the previous movies, and where the previous were plays on the pulp adventure serials of the 30s, KotC was a play on the space pulp and red scare of the 50s.
The entire thing is just ripe with JJ-isms. I'm sure Kasdan might have had a few things to say, but it definitely feels more like a JJ movie than a JJ/Kasdan collab.
He actually had a huge amount to say beyond those. Nice try minimizing his input.
I've watched TCW twice in normal order and have gone back and watched my favorite episodes when in the mood, I have never sat down and chopped it up because I felt like I couldn't enjoy it. I have never heard anyone talk about the machete order in anything other than the context of time except for the last couple weeks when more people have wanted to catch up.
He approached Disney. Presumably he was just done with owning them. Nobody wanted to make his live-action show because it was fucking expensive, all of his new movies were panned (Star Wars Prequels, Indiana Jones 4, Red Tails) and he likely wasn't going to try and make anything after those, and most of the company just wasn't doing super well. So he sold to Disney because he thought it'd be a good spot to keep things going without him.
Disney still has him as a creative consultant, but from what we've heard so far, they just haven't used any of his ideas for TFA. He's still around chucking out ideas for some of the other stuff like Rogue One, but we won't know until later to see how much of his input is actually being used or how good/bad his ideas even were.
We're not really given much to go on for what he had actually prepared. Closest is that VII involved teens and youth at the center, rather than adults. How much of that is truth and how much of that is people making stuff up to badmouth George is really probably never going to be known.
>KotC was a play on the space pulp and red scare of the 50s.
Except it executed it horribly. It tried to play it like a straight up Indiana Jones movie, but instead you have some mishmashed shit in there with a man too old to being playing the lead.
>He actually had a huge amount to say beyond those. Nice try minimizing his input.
What other major decisions did George make?
>Luke and Han's preteen children on an adventure
>Luke and Han's
Aw, sweet. Luke actually gets some in Lucas' head. I wonder who he decided the mom would be.
As for the children on an adventure, eh? I dunno, I'd have to see a more fleshed out idea before I call yea or nay.
I THINK he means chrono-order unless he's talking about flashback-isms.
KotC is really no worse than Temple of Doom. Even the existence of aliens isn't that far of a leap from the previous movies.
>What other major decisions did George make?
At least half of the storylines in the show were straight from George's ideas, including many of the better arcs. He wasn't just a consultant on the show, he was the showrunner and practically co-writer for all the work he did for it.
You know what, there were great ideas in KotCS, you can't deny that. You also cannot blame Lucas for how the film turned out considering all the other big names and money being thrown at that film.
This. Rebels gets a lot better once you start thinking of it as a Edge of the Empire campaign that jumped ship to Age of Rebellion
Yeah, I'd heard he was, well not ignored, but certainly not a major presence on the writing and set of TFA. It's a shame but what can you do? He needs an editor and/or co writer for him to be at his best, and TFA already had a duo working on it
Indiana Jones movies are supposed to be about some suave, handsome young dude going on amazing adventures. It doesn't fucking work when the lead is an elderly man. Not to mention the way it incorporates the Sci-Fi "homage" doesn't work. 50s Sci-Fi films were slow, and focused on the Science, fake or real. KoTCS tries to play a standard Indy movie, but with those horribly implemented Ayy Lmao ideas that just DON'T WORK.
>Disney still has him as a creative consultant,
They actually don't. They literally took all of his stuff and tossed it out. He's washed his hands of Star Wars, and I think he has a right to be a bit bitter with the way he was treated after.
>there were great ideas in KotCS
But they weren't executed all that well. Which, really, is and was sort of the problem with George's career. He's got some great ideas but he needs editing and people saying no some of the time
Too over the top, for me personally. It was always pulpy, but pulpy is a professor who can knock out Nazi's with a single punch, not somehow survive a nuclear bomb by hiding in the fridge
>follows the heroes journey closely, just like ANH
>I have never seen anyone not understand Indiana Jones this hard in my life.
Then what do you think Indiana Jones is supposed to be, oh disciple of the lord George Lucas, le master ideas man?
He took his ideas in, but Disney's under no obligation to use them just because he made them. And whatever those ideas were, they weren't seen as worth pursuing
As for how he's been treated since, Disney done right by him. Certainly they haven't fucked him over or out of anything
Indy wasn't exacty young. He was in his late thirties and was a college professor right from the start.
And KotC WAS focused on the science - the crystal skulls have long since been debunked as anything but recent creations, but back in the 50s they were thought to be crazy shit. Mitchell-Hedges was all over it.
I can agree it was a bit too over the top, but remember that this is after Indy drank from the Holy Grail, plus the fridges back then were lead-lined so at least radiation wouldn't have been an issue. Remember also that in a previous movie they launched an inflatable boat out of a flying airplane and landed it safely, so it's not like the fridge is THAT far-reaching for Indy.
The plane boat thing actually felt like it could work, the bomb fridge took me completely out of the movie. Not least for the why it just sailed completely out of the blast zone and landed in the desert. It was like something from Wile E Coyote
They did copy a few too many elements (Cantina scene, Trench Run, Mcguffin is a droid with a map) but ultimately it worked as its own thing IMO
>There's the above transcript from an Indiana Jones writing session between George, Spielberg, and Kasdan. In this transcript Lucas is the sane one who grounds the more outlandish ideas that the other two were proposing. It shows that at least early on Lucas had a handle on ideas and effective writing.
The original deal was that he would be a consultant, and that the idea behind him selling Lucasfilm was that he wanted more Star Wars movies to come out without him having to direct them. He wrote the story treatments for the next trilogy. He was going to have Disney make his Episode VII, with Lucas remaining as a consultant to ensure the story gets a proper and authentic jump-start, and then fade more and more into the background which each subsequent film.
This was all abandoned completely as soon as J.J. Abrams was brought in. He and his team completely threw out George Lucas's story treatments. "The Force Awakens" has nothing to do with any of George Lucas's plans for the new trilogy. As soon as he realized they were going to completely disregard his input, he decided to simply wash his hands of it and completely walk away. You can tell he was bitter about it, too.
How do I know this? Watch the interviews with Lucas before and after J.J. Abrams was in the picture.
Lucas sounds excited. He thought up a new story! He wants to see it come alive, and sit in the audience to enjoy it as a spectator. He wants Disney to shepherd his baby and leave a lasting legacy. He's selling the company because he wants a big entity like Disney to nurture and protect his vision, and it all starts with putting his new trilogy of films into production.
"I offered them my story ideas and J.J.'s team told me to fuck off. Whatever. They can go fuck themselves. Why did I even sell my baby. Oh well, I guess I'll retire and enjoy my billions now that I can't have anything to do with my creation. Consider it a divorce."
Oh yeah, Lucas definitely took it gracefully, which is why he used "the fans will enjoy it" as a insult, and compared his decision to sell Star Wars to being forced to sell his child to slavers.
Lucas is an idiot and Star Wars has always been best with minimal Lucas input.
If only they'd gotten someone else for 7. At least 8's got a good director, and even if 9's is kind of shitty they've got Johnson writing both 8 and 9 so hopefully Trevorrow can't fuck 9 up too much.
Hey guy, I've noticed a trend, why is it between 1pm - 5pm eastern time the general gets filled up with people bitching about movies or vidya games, sometimes, hell most of the time not even Star Wars. Is it board crossover time or something? Not one of those people that thinks we can only talk about traditional games all the time, just curious as to this weird phenomenon that seems to continue day after day at the same time range.
That white slavers comment rubs me up the wrong way, because if you're comparing your business partners to slavers, what does that make you, the guy who sold his "kids" in the first place?
Yeah, he even said it himself in that "white slavers" interview, you've just got to cut off all contact and let it go
I feel for the guy, he did some great work, and even the prequels at the very least pioneered special effects techniques that we still use now (seriously, Andy Serkis wouldn't have a career without Jar Jar proving mocap acting was possible)
Exactly. He sold it willingly, and a mature person, rather than whining and moaning when their choice doesn't pan out exactly like they want it to, accepts it.
But Lucas isn't mature, he's a fucking manbaby.
He sold it expecting to be consulted, expecting to still have a little input in the franchise, only for Jar Jar Abrams and co to tell him where to go.
It's like renting a car out to people and then suddenly some jackass just steals it for five hours and leaves it wrapped around a fucking tree.
Droidekas don't have the intelligence motivator developed enough to be sentient, hence droidekas can't be PCs
How would you deal with players who stat up wampas as their backup character?
Phew. Good to know that I got it right.
I basically worked with the player who tried that to make something similar, but more balanced with the party's level. He seemed pretty okay about it.
He sold the whole thing, lock and stock. There was no guarantee he was going to be listened to
On that one he's talking out of his ass. It was Lucas who approached Hamill and Fisher about getting back into it
Haven't heard how they wrangled Ford, though I'd guess a paycheck on a fishing line was involved
why would someone want to give sentience to a transform-and-roll-out murdermachine with deflector shields?
Making a droideka PC would bar the pc to do anything except shoot at things.
They don't even have hands
Neither does R2 unless you count retractable manipulators/tools, and he's a perfectly acceptable droid PC.
A sentient commando droid might be more applicable as a PC, there are stats for those in Chronicles too.
>How would you deal with players who stat up wampas as their backup character?
I fucking let them.
You'd be a fucking terrible GM to not let them.
I didn't hate TFA as much as I did Attack of the Clones, but I'm not going around saying that its the greatest thing.
TFA is an adequate space adventure film with explosions and lightsabers and plot points lifted whole cloth from A New Hope. Its got some fun character beats, some fun action sequences, and some grating characters, but that's all its got. It lacks the tension, stakes, art direction, or even the
admittedly overblownmythic underpinnings that made the original trilogy memorable.
Its hard to articulate, but TFA reminded me a lot of the weaker entries of the 90s EU, particularly the Jedi Academy Trilogy, only without the batshit crazy elements that made up for Kyp Durron's bullshit.
You mean the original cast of Harrison Ford, who frequently told George that his writing was terrible, Carrie Fisher. who helped Ford in reworking most the romance in Episode V, or Mark Hamill, who walked out on the franchise more or less completely up until now?
I'm not saying that they hate him or anything, but given the way George treats actor I can't imagine there's a tale of betrayal there.
Not really. If Lucas wanted to have a huge part, he should've demanded it and had it in writing as part of the contract agreements to sell the company. His expectations were off-base and it's more akin to somebody thinking they'll continue dating somebody that's a hooker after the payment is done and they've had their hour. That's not what was agreed nor is it the expectation for most sane people.
/swg/ is a mess of people, some of whom are trolling, some who just can't accept literally anything Disney makes for whatever reason
I for one enjoyed it. Its got flaws, but those flaws are completely overshadowed by how good it was. One of the few films I saw twice in a cinema, and it was actually better the second time
If anyone asks for the Wompa's ID, just tell them its a rare Snow Wookie. Works every time
>It's like renting a car out to people and then suddenly some jackass just steals it for five hours and leaves it wrapped around a fucking tree.
>Completely sell a thing you own to another party
>"It's like renting----"
No, I'm afraid it's nothing like renting, anon.
Well I heard he wanted that kind of finale even back in ROTJ so I can't say I'm surprised
Interestingly there's no consensus on why he wanted it to happen. I've heard he wanted a capstone to Han's arc of learning to fight for others instead of himself, and others saying he just wanted out of the franchise
Who'd have thought it, /swg/ isn't a homogenous blob of groupthink
Literally the only things I liked about it were Fin and Poe, and the space reggae. The writing was shit, the special effects didn't have any real emotional weight to them, I can't take Autismo McTantrum seriously as a villain and Rey was shit
>I don't understand metaphor
How much info do we have on the walkers on the far right here?
Why would we though?
If you're retarded enough to buy into marketing-manufactured hype, then that's on you.
I'm not saying you have to hate it with unbridled passion, but hopefully you can realize on your own that it's really nothing special. Certainly nothing worth all the people that praised it right before and after it started showing up in theaters.
I mean, take a look at how the reviews are turning, because people are no longer blinded by nostalgia and hype, they're seeing the flaws, which are fairly big.
That and having Disney making more Indiana Jones was actually the big rumor of why he was signed up for the film in the first place when he got announced.
He wasn't super fond of the character, which is why Han was frozen in ESB in the first place, in case he just didn't come back for RotJ, they could use that as an out for the character. He finds Han to be kind of one-note and not really important enough since the character detracts from the main story of Luke and good vs evil and such.
I don't think we have any. I'm pretty sure they're not in the cross-sections book, might not even be in the visual dictionary.
Zero, beyond something similar showing up in the art book (which, for the record, is a somewhat sad read. SO many cool ship designs they didn't use. Hope the FO Interceptors turn up at least)
At a guess I'd assume its an AT-AT derived design, with greater forward firepower and armor at the expense of the AT-AT's flexible "head" turret
>they can't even talk
Neither can Polis Massans
>they do one thing, shoot things dead
Funnily enough that's my current PC's main job description, although now he's sidelined into killing things with lightsabers too.
>no real threat
>Kylo fucking ruins Finn in the final fight before starting on Rey
Seriously, Finn is going to need some serious surgery, probably cybernetics, to recover from the damage he took in that fight
As for Kylo more generally, he flips out over the exact same shit Vader flipped out over. Unlike Vader though Kylo isn't a twat who kills his own officers just for telling him bad news
Finn was the best new idea by far. A stormtrooper who's been raised by birth who defects and has to stumble through everything like an idiot because all he knows how to do is fire a blaster and push a broom. The movie really should have been Finn & Poe's Excellent Adventure,
but if Poe was in the movie more that would be one less thing Rey would be great at, and we couldn't have that, could we?
I also kind of liked that Kylo Ren wants to be hardcore but his dad won't let him, so he gets played like a fool by Snoke who feeds his special snowflake fantasy. Then again, I doubt they're going to resolve that arc in a satisfying way.
>Unlike Vader though Kylo isn't a twat who kills his own officers just for telling him bad news
So Kylo Ren is like babby's hugbox version of Darth Vader, gotcha
Shhhh honey it's okay that you dropped out of lightspeed too quickly and alerted the rebel forces, you tried your best that's all that matters
Why would someone have an entire army of droids with the intelligence of a dimwitted child?
Seeing as B-1 and super battle droids were able to operate independently it stands to reason droidekas were too.
Think about it. If you didn't know about all of the Falcon's capabilities and you didn't know that was Han motherfucking Solo piloting, would you be as forgiving for letting it get away? When the damn thing literally charged you?
bringing up a shitty movie agains another shitty movie is not a great move.
But at least that fight gave you the idea that maybe, just maybe, Anakin could've won
Still, no real threat. Kylo kills exactly two elderly and defenseless men in the movie.
He defeats finn, who isn't per se a great challenge, after a boring and anticlimatic fight.
He has no charm, desn't transmit any sense of danger or evil.
Vader on the contrary almost kills Luke during the battle of Yavin, traps Solo on Bespin and wrecks the shit out of Luke the first time they fight. He command absolute loyalty from his generals and everyone fears him and his power. Those who don't end up dead.
That's why Vader is a better antagonist than Kylo Ren.
Hadn't the planet rupture under their feet, Ren would've died there and there
Ren is just, flavourless. He's not dangerous, he's not charming, he doesn't have the aura of power and respect Vader had.
He is considered powerful just because people say so and because he allegedly killed a bunch of children offscreen with his buddies
>Before the Federation's defeat following their Invasion of Naboo, these droids were usually slaved to a central control computer. This technique fell out of favor in the aftermath of said battle, however, and they would later function independently like the B2 super battle droids did.
That is from Legends, there is nothing talking about Destroyer Droid intelligence in nucanon. So yeah, Droidekas are as intelligent as Super Battle Droids in legends settings.
The intelligence of B-1s though, you are right, why the hell would you have your army run on that.
>As for Kylo more generally, he flips out over the exact same shit Vader flipped out over.
You know what Vader didn't do?
Throw a tantrum and wreck equipment.
Equipment costs money; people are paid money.
Killing incompetent officers saves money.
Destroying equipment burns money.
Fuck Kylo Ren, he is literally a whiney little bitch.
Because droids aren't meant to think. Droids function because of the routines set within them that dictate what they should or should not do in a given situation. They cannot think for themselves, only base things off of probability while operating independently and from direct orders. Of course, Super Battle Droids have better programming than standard TF battle droids, but they're still limited in what they can process.
Apparently its because they weren't built to run without being slaved to a computer. Their constant chatter is their brains attempts to process more information then they can handle.
The B1s aren't supposed to BE an army. They're literally just security droids. The ones from AotC on have been upgraded from their TPM counterparts, but still you're looking at cheap pieces of shit cannon fodder meant to look like they can overrun anything given time.
>TFA was an awesome movie that finally got what Star Wars is supposed to be.
>Be normal person
>Chillin at home, watching Star Wars
>Suddenly FORCE GHOST
>YOU HAVE THE POWAH.jpg
>sith come out from the dark corners in your hous, from under the couch, out of the toilet, everywhere
>You knoy you are fugged
>ghost talks to you
>use the force to save yourself
>you're all like nah
>force users a shit
>mfw I'm the First Order officer who has to do the bills each month
>That fucking edgy kid broke ANOTHER fucking computer with a tantrum
>Can't report him; he has absolutely no accountability or fiscal responsibility
Fuck my life
Because TIEs aren't actually that bad of a fighter, they only got that reputation thanks to the books and games being made by people who decided that the TIEs were stupid and should blow up lots. TIE pilots aren't supposed to be expendable, they are supposed to swarm and enemy and suffer minimal causalities from the fact that the enemy either gave up, never had a chance to shoot back, or were flying in inferior craft that couldn't manage to take out the high tech mil-spec TIEs.
the intelligence thing is diminutive.
Why would you be able to play as a B-1 and not as a Droideka?
Because you have hands, a generic humanoid form, and can persorm a numerous set of tasks to help your party in situations outside of combat.
Droidekas don't. Not having any appendage except for blasters, not having eyes and not even having the option to talk make you role strictly limited to combat.
Unless you're in a party of murderhobos in a heavy combat campaign, you're gonna get bored really really fast, because you are completely useless outside of your specific field, and bring no help to the party
He is hiding the posts because this is /swg/ on /tg/, we don't need to discuss the movie or other movies every fucking day. Its the same damn discussion every day too, its never about lore, or usability in our games, stories, ect, its just about what people wanted or the quality.
Finished Jedi Outcast very recently.
On top of that game being shit, why did they make a new race for Desann? It would have been cooler if he were of one of the many reptillian races that already existed in Star Wars lore.
I mean... you can go Ssi-Ruuk (I'm not even sure if that's spelled right), which are basically talking dinosaurs with guns. See Truce of Bakura. They attempted a limited invasion of the Galaxy from the assend, using droid starfighters powered by the souls of their religious captives. They're pretty xenophobic and zealous, but I'm sure you could play one post-Bakura if you really stretched your justification.
>Play a Droideka, live with the constant struggle of not having hands, constantly strive against the constraints put upon you by your creators, spend every credit you make for upgrades to both your intelligence and your body, buying hulks of other droids to work as drones linked to you to act as your hands and eyes and mouth, finally achieve what you were looking for, a life free of the constraints of ONLY WAR
Droideka sounds fun.
Your opinion is garbage and therefore I will not be engaging in discourse with you, as you are clearly of horrible taste.
Well, that's the point. Ren is only where he is because he has Snoke holding his hand and sponsoring him within the First Order. But besides that he has nothing. Hux only tolerates him because of Snoke, and even Snoke is likely only keeping him around in an attempt to kill Luke once and for all. That aside, Ren has no value within the First Order.
That aside, Ren is internally conflicted not only by the fact of 'muh light side', but the fact that he ISN'T the equal of Darth Vader, not by a long shot. No one respects him. People fear him like one would fear a loose rabid dog. His actions result in as many or more failures than successes. He has heard all of the stories of the Empire, and of Grandpappy Vader, and every attempt of his to emulate it just results in more failings. And because he was never shown how to learn from his mistakes, or react to problems like a normal human being, he lashes out and explodes when things don't go the way he wants. Because he isn't Darth 2.0, that's most of the time.
I was just explaining to you why one might, I am not someone who actually wants too. Though now I kind of want too.
So then I have to figure out a why for you, which is difficult because I didn't come into this wanting that and instead I just want to because I really like the story I just crafted to explain to you how one could play one. This is all now very confusing and I think I shall have a cup of tea instead.
yeah, TIEs are actually really sensible from a grand military strategy approach
numerical advantage and maneuverability are EVERYTHING in air-to-air combat. sure, an individual TIE takes less direct hits to bring down than an X-wing. this means less than nothing when for the cost of an X-wing you can put two and a half fighters in the air, one of which WILL be behind the target.
if TIEs are engaged in even numbers with the enemy, the enemy stands a decent chance of winning. if TIEs ever engage in even numbers with the enemy, someone at Command has fucked up big-time.
oh hey, some random jackasses I've never met have walked up to my house to set it on fire on grounds their space-honor commands it.
yes, this is definitely something I, a humble shit farmer, am not going to raise any objections to.
The only glaring issue I have with Outcast is the gameplay. The shooting is simply not good. Your weapons are all really innaccurate and enemies can shoot you or sometimes even kill you before you can really see them. This is really apparent in Nar Shaddaa. Replay that level if you want to remember why the game sucks. The level design in this game is probably its biggest flaw.
But once you get the heavy imperial blaster and force heal, the game just becomes piss easy. Also, people praise this game for having good lightsaber combat, but it doesn't. It's cool that they tried, and I can't speak for multiplayer, but single player lightsaber combat consists of force speed+hold left click until they die.
Plot and characters were just so-so. Cutscenes were laughably bad, but eh. Also the levels weren't as fun or cool as Dark Forces. I feel like that game really pushed DOS to its limits and was pretty darn creative.
Most of the problems remain in Academy, but lightsaber combat is better. Also the enemy placement is less frustrating. Gameplay wise it's a step up, and I can be a Rodian jedi with a staff, but the plot is significantly more retarded, and none of the characters are likable except Kyle.
My preferred interpretation of that is that Kylo is missing the single most important part of being Vader.
The abject despair.
Kylo Ren has dreams. Kylo Ren has ambitions. Kylo Ren can picture a better galaxy. And because Kylo Ren believes that Kylo Ren has any value whatsoever as a human being, he can never be Darth Vader.
Darth Vader does not throw temper tantrums when he loses because Darth Vader does not think he deserves to win. The self-hatred fuels him. If you have failed him, fine, he kills you, your subordinate gets a chance to shine, next item on the agenda. There is nothing personal about it. He expected no better, from you or from himself.
But Kylo Ren thinks he deserves to win, and so when his subordinates fail him his wrath is directed outwards instead of within.
Give him a few decades of having all his dreams of a better world beaten out of him, and he will become Darth Vader. But he is too young. And the flicker of hope that damned his idol still burns in his soul.
>Kylo Ren has dreams. Kylo Ren has ambitions. Kylo Ren can picture a better galaxy.
Vader had all those things. His plan was to overthrow the Emperor with Luke and rule the galaxy as father and son.
yeah yeah yeah they say that at the co-op every year. look at us, warriors against the soil, fighting the good fight to make sure you fucking helmet fetishists don't have to import food
there's a reason most of the time we don't bother doing anything with Deathwatch weebs; after a couple of weeks up in the mountains they usually figure out you can't eat honor.
Oh god this hurts me more than you know
No he didn't.
Not until Empire, at least, when he learns that Luke Skywalker is the little fucker's name.
Twenty years of knowing he had gambled everything for what he believed, and lost.
Knowing that his only reason for existence was the whims of the evil old fucker who'd convinced him to throw it all away.
Twenty years of something that cannot be called despair only because despair implies hope might one day return, of a bottomless well of self-loathing.
And then he learns his son is alive, and a tiny spark of that hope returns.
And then his son rejects him.
Needa dies. Ozzel dies. But Piett, who loses Vader everything at the last moment?
Piett is permitted to live.
Vader has failed. As he fails in all things.
There is no point in blaming this one on the help.
I thought she looked like Chi-Chi.
Aww, no smug Luke.
>no farmers on mandalore
Meanwhile, on Concord Dawn
Back on topic. I and a co-DM have been running an EotE campaign at our office. The teams consist of first: a human mechanic/pilot, a droid mechanic, an ewok assassin, and a talky-bureaucrat droid; and second: a twilek assassin, wookiee brawler, rodian pilot and trandoshan doctor.
The two groups have both been doing contract work for the Black Sun. The Black Sun is essentially running a "Rat Race" scheme with a bunch of hired outsiders. They're using the groups to get a bunch of shit work done without having to pay everyone. Furthermore, they're filming the groups secretly and gambling on their exploits.
The campaign is just about over. The two groups have both reached the planet where they're supposed to pick up their payment: 50,000 credits. Unbeknownst to them, it's not going to be in cash; instead, the Black Sun intends to pay them in rather hot merchandise: stolen imperial weapons and glitterstim, which they thought too dangerous to move on their own.
So, the two groups might end up killing each other or working something out. Who knows!
I have a party member who loves his high-tech slugthrower. He had it custom made and now he's planning on buying some high tech, advanced ammo to use for it. Any ideas on what kind of projectile ammo is used in the SW universe? I mean aside from modern equivalents I'm not entirely sure what to throw his way. The next best thing I can think of are ammo types from EVE Online.
Every real mandalorian is a warrior first and foremost. Then he can be a farmer, a doctor, a school teacher.
But when mandalore calls, the mandalorians answer
Nar Shadaa was bullshit and weapon accuracy did suck.
Wait you';re complaining about accuracy and praising the Imperial Heavy Repeater? That thing was the least accurate piece of shit ever.
Also: Scoped rifle from MotS>Disruptor shitter.
your bitch ass modern mandalorians, maybe.
I'm talking real deal here
I gotta say, I like the technical work the manga does with ships and environs. It actually feels like a lot of effort went into it.
Also, ANH Leia is cuter than ESB Leia in this.
>HE is the worst choice for tough armor.
Unless it's Mk 211 Mod 0 "multipurpose".
HE, Incendiary, and AP all in a single bullet.
Because fuck having to choose, when you can have it all.
>armor piercing armor
Hi, Lord Nyax.
Wait, there's no bathroom on the Ebon Hawk? Where does everyone poop?
Is this why he was so grumpy?
Don't get your hopes up. KotOR was revolutionary for its time and showed a lot of the genre's potential but hasn't aged well without a healthy dose of nostalgia. Or at least that's the impression I get from watching my fiancee play it, I eat that shit up.
Beginner's Game has partial rules and an adventure that guides you through the core aspects of much of the rules as you play. Core book has character creation, more enemies, more vehicles, force powers, etc.
>Snake, whether or not you're in the FoxDie program isn't important
YES IT IS, BITCH. I didn't just go ten rounds with Liquid on top of his gundam for you to NOT tell me whether or not I'm going to drop dead at any moment.
I've been tinkering about with a list for a tournement on the 30th, how does this look for everyone?
KotOR1 is definitely the most stereotypical bioware game, and it's pretty boring because of that. I swear, it's like they signpost all the stages of the hero's journey as the plot progresses.
It's all worth it for KotOR2's story, though.
On topic, would it be difficult to mod FFG's game for the old republic era, or any setting outside of the Imperial era?
not especially. the weapons are generic enough to work fine back to say the ToJ era, stats for the ships of the era you want to play aren't THAT hard to make (or just ask me to make them), the classes are generic, and most everything is extremely interchangeable
The movie they made wasnt bad and rebels is fun enough so I think they are doing well enough so far. Not like they could run it much farther into the ground then it is without some heavy mining equipment anyway.
>TFA was an awesome movie that finally got what Star Wars is supposed to be.
The Force Awakens was not an awesome movie and makes the prequels look good by comparison.
>TFA is literally fanfiction-tier.
>The new Star Trek film is being co-directed by the Fast and the Furious director and features Kirk doing motocross.
This is one of those few instances where "disappointment" doesn't even come close to describing these feels.
>and makes the prequels look good by comparison
>Despite awkward pacing and terrible dialogue, Lucas legitimately fleshes out the backstory to Star Wars and sets the stage for new media and stories to be told within his creation. Every single film featured something new, though he went too far in a few places.
>Everything was clearly decided by committee. New ideas, images, and characters are deliberately avoided in favor of things audiences will likely recognize (Tatooine, Hoth, Death Star, needless lightsaber fights, etc.). The characters are about as badly written as the characters from the prequels are, but there's no agency or any real purpose for them to be together as far as the story is concerned. Everything is tacked on as an afterthought, right down to the horribly forced romance between Finn and Rey. It was bland. It didn't even try.
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it as much as I did. I thought it was a rushed mess with almost no worldbuilding, albeit one with great acting, action, and dialogue that was fun enough for me to forgive its faults.
I guess it was alright if you're one of those ADD-type folks who think Whedonquips are okay.
I can't even blame ADD here because the action was so stale, too. The acting wasn't great, anon. You have to admit that. It was forced and rushed, like the whole movie.
So Legends had examples of Jedi who spent massive periods of time in stasis or hibernation before returning to the galaxy. How would one write these characters with even a degree of realism? OJO are likely to try to take things stoically, sure, but they're still meatbags deep down. How might they react to the cultural and temporal shock, and the realization that everyone and everything they knew is nothing but dust in the wind now? How would they interact with the descendants of their old friends and colleagues?
Can't, I felt differently. Sorry if it doesn't jive with you man, but I liked it. It's not even close to perfect, but TFA was exactly as good as I expected it to be. I like it more than all three prequels, but still worse than the OT.
Look, I get it. You don't feel like discussing the film and so you blame differences in opinion to avoid real discussion. You don't like thinking. Probably why you liked TFA. Good on you, anyways.
>Has known her for three seconds.
>Asks her if she has a boyfriend.
If that's not "forced romance" I don't know what is.
>It's "Avengers dialogue" guy
Fuck off into space.
>I guess it was alright if you have a mental disorder
Wow you really just cannot stand that people don't agree with you huh? And you realize that every Star Wars movie has quips in it right?
"Get this walking carpet out of my way!"
"You were right Master. The Negotiations were short"
"I THOUGHT YOU WERE BLIND! Don't worry I can see a lot better now"
>Has known her for three seconds.
>Asks her if she has a boyfriend.
>If that's not "forced romance" I don't know what is.
have you ever MET a soldier?
all the ones I know, that's pretty much the first thing they ask a girl
he's just a thirsty motherfucker
Depends on how you're handling the transition of time. What with technological and societal stagnation across millennia being a thing in Legends, it's possible your Jedi would handle the change with maybe a day of shock and awe before acclimating to the same routine that has existed for eons.
Otherwise, if your game gets rid of that temporal plateau and makes for an actual fish-out-of-water situation for the Jedi, you can have a lot of fun with the huge differences between past and future. Also, abuse the Force with this. The Force is shown to change and feel different at varying points of time, and the old Jedi should be a good perspective on that.
>If that's not "forced romance" I don't know what is.
Something you'd expect from a guy who grew up in a paramilitary organization with a code for a name and no lessions whatsoever about talking to real people?
also asking if a girl has a boyfriend is something a guy always asks, sooner or later
>only one person is allowed to dislike the Avengers because it's THE MOST AWESOMEST THING SINCE LIKE SKYRIM DUDE
Not that guy but I share his opinion. Avengers is shit and its shitty, unnatural dialogue is a blight on film that will be remembered as an ugly fad.
>What do you MEAN there's no more Space Wasps?
>Alderaan is GONE? What the fuck did you guys DO while I was asleep?
>Order Si..... Oh come on, really? And why were they all bunched so wrapped up in the government anyway?
>Say.... what are your opinions on swashbuckling? Really? Sweet.
>It's "Dialogue that's over one syllable long is boring to me" guy
Those are far too long and funny to be "quips."
Poe giving Kylo lip about "who talks first" to prove his writers are just so hip and with it are quips. And they're annoying.
>I know someone who acts this way that means it's good writing you good writing hater.
Please, /v/'s everywhere now.
Avoid the discussion, avoid the point, keep spinning those wheels. There's a difference between a humorous aside based on a prior situation in the film and some overpaid faggot's attempt to show how ironic he is. Keep fucking crying.
At least you accept it. Now fuck off and stop polluting movies with your horrible opinions.
So horrible pacing, horrible dialogue, plot by committee, and forced nostalgia weren't good enough reasons for you? Or did you just get here and think you're "defending" Star Wars?
>What with technological and societal stagnation across millennia being a thing in Legends
Fuck Bioware, the unoriginal hacks in its art team, and the idiot who forgot to shave a digit off the game's star date. Yeah, I definitely want to get rid of the temporal plateau shenanigans. Assume the shift is as jarring as TotJ to New Republic or New Republic to Legacy comics. Lots of big galaxy-affecting events in between with large jumps in technology, philosophy, and aesthetics.
People do not communicate exclusively in lightning fast quips. I know they had to speed up the pace of dialogue to squeeze in every precious second Rey wanking and unnecessary action scenes, but it has transcended something a living person in that situation might say and become something a cabal of writers sat down, hammered out over the course of several sessions of oneupmanship and then focus-tested until the average Fallout 4 player was cajoled into buying more product.
The highest grossing movie of all time. As long as you dont adjust for inflation.
Also A lot of people liking [x] is generally an indicator that it is good. Its not like not liking something is a measure of how good something is.