MTG Modern General

i counted 27 cards from OGW which were made strictly for edh

27

good lord what is magic coming to?

DREDGE WILL RETURN.
DEATH TO THE NON-BELIEVERS.
BAGHDAD WILL RISE.

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So can Jeskai Ascendancy make a comeback in this post-Twin world?

>>44828603
Bad expensive cards existed before EDH was a thing. Outside of a few specific cards they push for standard, pretty much all cards are designed for limited/casual play.

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>>44828673
>people thinking just because twin is gone shitter tier 6 brew decks will be competitive

>>44828673
I hope so, I'm buying it up now before the hype gets to it. I was thinking of running a Grapeshot in board as another win condition to grab with Wish in cash your dork gets pathed

>>44828603
>good lord what is magic coming to?

Magic is and always will be a moneymaking device. I do believe it is Wizards' MOST profitable game.

D&D was ruined when Hasbro took over and decided it needed to be a money machine. Same with Magic the Gathering.

Maro now panders to the loudest minorities because his vision is completely destroyed and now the best he can do is flail around attempting to alternate between sucking the dicks of a variety of different formats.

Standard is WotC's way of pumping the bitchboys who buy it dry. For those who can't stand that there is modern which is constantly fucked up because WotC cannot into balance, and the format has already been basically solved because the game lacks a random element as well as true balance. EDH was made by hipsters for hipsters and it got popular so now it is also fellated by WotC. There really is no way to stop this besides not playing Magic.

I mean really, there are no top-tier modern decks for less than 500 dollars anymore, so what's the fucking point? Why not just play Standard and at least have a higher chance of finding a game?

Or just play fucking kitchen table because unless you're a top-tier player you are literally losing money playing competitively. How do you think fucking game stores survive? By profiting off everyone's MTG losses. Your losses prop up an entire store and a multibillion dollar company.

Until WotC supports a commons-only format (which it fucking never will because that won't make them money) I will not have any respect for Magic. It is now a money grab and has been since Zendikar and M10 when their entire attitude changed. it is unacceptable and I cannot believe you people lack the dignity to stop buying from them. Stand up for what you believe in. Christ.

>>44828746

In this supposed eldrazi, tron and affinity meta, any uninteractive combo deck can and will steal games

>>44828797
Its just a card game chief

so yea, Magic newbie from last thread and this is my irl deck. Could you suggest some cards for it?

I'm interested in some low-cost high-value cards to swarm the field with, like the Expedition Envoy and Kor Castigator cards are EXCELLENT imo.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/my-first-deck-in-like-20-years-wip/

>>44828797
>Until WotC supports a commons-only format
pauper.

>>44828797
>I mean really, there are no top-tier modern decks for less than 500 dollars anymore

There was

It was called "Amulet Bloom"

>>44829104
>http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/my-first-deck-in-like-20-years-wip/
play death an taxes, hate the format, and then play legacy death and taxes

>>44829104
me

I looked at the "similar deck" thing at the bottom, there's a white deck that the system thinks is like mine and HOLY FUCK:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/angels-glorious-angels/

This is some YuGiOh shit right here. Tons of cards well over $10, some over $40.

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>Voice was bought out literally 2 hours before the leak. Most unfortunate buyout considering it lost its greatest buddy: opposing blue decks. At least it will hold value because it's Voice.

>Tron is by far the best deck in Modern. Karn spike is justified.

>Contrarians and budgetfags who can't buy into Tron look for an alternative in Eldrazi. The deck is definetely viable, but it's not Tron Tier.

>Twinfags, now homeless, either look for a new similar deck (Scapeshift) or try to save their deck (Kiki-Jiki).

So far these spikes are actually very reasonable. I'm impressed.

>>44829203
While you are playing around, dnt/hatebears may be a major player in the new format.

I played between Mirrodin and Eventide and haven't played since. Are there any cards from between those sets that are worth big money now? I've still got all my cards from back then but have no desire to play ever again. I figure I may as well cull anything worth selling and then bulk the rest.

>>44829359
I brought that up in the other thread actually. The biggest problem is that it still seems weak without cards like mom and wasteland, although Mindcensor and Arbiter could make sure it beats decks like Tron that need to search for their combo pieces.

>>44828754
You can't grab grapeshot with wish.

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>>44829357
>Twin is dead
>Everyone buying into Tron, Scapeshift, etc.

The fire rises

I want to try playing an offensive control deck. What do you recommend?

>>44828754

Run flesh//blood familia

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Can any shop a tear drop underneath his eyes? Crybaby twinfag.

>>44829505
fuck I'm dumb

>>44829548
Twin :^)

>>44829548
Do you have $2000?
>Yes
Jund
>No
Abzan

>>44829548
That sounds like Delver http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-ur-delver-23429#paper

>>44829558
He's a cool guy. He barely even plays except maybe those tier 5 trash decks. He's just a data guy that got BTGO by Wizards, like everyone else.

>>44829411
Check mtggoldfish's site, they have a page with all the money cards from all the sets, it's updated hourly.

If this is how Wizards treats a format they want to grow, I'm glad I play legacy.

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FUCK ALL YA'LL

IM DOIN IT

IM GONNA GO MONO WHITE CONTROL

>>44829929
>Great v Affinity
>Shit v Burn
>Shit v Tron

Looks like you're not ready for the new meta, friend.

Is tron at risk for getting a ban? Should I risk keeping tron or should I switch over to mono black eldrazi?

>>44830021
Everything is at risk from the banhammer at this point considering Wizards just axed two tier 1 decks instead of letting the metagame adjust to push them out. They printed Rending Volley not that long ago. Are they admitting it wasn't enough or what?

>>44829848
Seriously, thank god we don't have a pro tour

>>44830021
You're good with tron until the next modern protour. I would sell out of modern the week before they announce the next bannings if you still have a tier 1 deck at that point.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/modern-death-and-taxes-post-twin/
R8

>>44829929
With 4 Pithing Needles to stop Ugin from eating your board, right?

>>44830084
Not him, but I'm basically dumping my collection at this point. I'm sick and tired of the way Wizards treats their own game, so I'll get out now before the bubble caused by their lack of reprint policy has burst.

>>44830006
>Shit v Burn
Kor Firewalker exists

>>44830153
If sideboard cards could save you in Modern, Affinity would be tier 2.

>it's the end of the world as we know it
You guys are seriously overreacting here. Bloom was predicted to get the axe for several months and Twins banning wasn't very shocking either. They aren't going to ban every deck. And why are you faggots even surprised that they do this stuff anyway? When Jund was dominating they put it to the axe by banning two cards from it. This is no different.

>>44830379
>Twins banning wasn't very shocking
Yeah, the deck that's been around since the format was first created as a tier 1 deck and is considered the toughest deck in the format to play well, and even then only had the same slice of the metagame that Affinity had. Everyone expected that, right.

And 2 cards from Jund were banned because Wizards didn't know what card needed the ban in the first place. Bloodbraid Elf got the axe because Wizards didn't seem to realise just how poewrful Deathrite Shaman was.

>>44830379
Jund got new cards in RTR that put it over the top, so they banned one of the best cards in the deck and when it was still too powerful they banned one of the new additions. GBx has never stopped being a tier 1 deck, meanwhile twin hasn't gotten anything in forever and they completely kill the deck.

>>44830622
What is counterflux,roast,anger of the gods,dig?

>>44829527
Karn's a big guy.

>>44830006

>Tron

Crucible of Worlds + Ghost Quarter + Tectonic Edge fit really well into mono-white control.

>>44830662
4Urza

>>44830670
>Tectonic Edge
To do what exactly? They can make 7 mana with 3 lands, and 10 mana before you get a chance to activate it.

>>44830076
Can you imagine?
>We noticed that the Belcher and All Spells players had a really hard time staying competitive in this tournament. In the interest of color balance and creating a more diverse, interactive field, Force of Will is banned.

>>44830658
>counterflux

Barely used at all if ever

>roast

Sideboard. Barely changes the deck

>Anger of the Gods

Sideboard and is barely superior to other common red boardwipes

>dig

Is already banned


Sit the fuck down

>>44830089
>mana tithe with almost no reason to hold up mana and thalia
>only 3 ghost quarters
>fetches in mono colored deck with leonin arbiter and suppression field
6/10 meme.

>>44830695
Within two pro tours delver would be down daze, force and wasteland because they make new players feel bad

>>44830877
>We noticed blue is a color that usually makes people feel bad and often have powerful effects. In the interest of promoting a healthy and more diverse metagame, all blue cards have been banned from legacy.

>>44830877
Guess I need a new deck. Deadguy, Elemental Combo, UR(x) Fae. Which seems best out of these?

>>44830076
Wizards would eventually make the format about casting Siege Rhinos off of dual lands.

Does this decklist save us from our tron overlords?

4 Crumble to Dust
4 Sowing Salt
4 Stone Rain
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Birds of Paradise
4 Molten Rain
4 Stomping Ground
4 Boom // Bust
4 Creeping Mold
4 Scapeshift
2 Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Ghost Quarter
1 Tectonic Edge
8 Mountain
1 Forest

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>>44830695
Jesus, don't scare me like that

>>44830006
It's good against burn if you're playing first. Half of its mana base is fetch lands, and you can make them stumble on on mana if you play it on turn 2.

>>44830947
Top 8 of PT legacy:
Belcher
Oops
Cheeri0s
Spanish inquisition
Tin Fins

That might be all. ANT storm would actually get really bad, dredge would be too slow, the rest of the combo decks would be unplayable without blue. The fair decks wouldn't stand a chance, maindeck leyline of sanctity would be a decent call.

>>44831011
Dragon Stompshift? God this idea makes me with the Sol lands were in modern.

>>44830990
The absolute worst thing wizards could do is make creatures playable in vintage.

>>44830990
>>44830947
>>44830877
>>44830695
>>44830076
What would Legacy be like if WOTC started doing Modern/Yugioh bannings?
Like, if they just *revised* the format today.

>>44831051
At once my greatest dream and my most horrible nightmare.

>>44831011
Wasn't there a deck that utilized Boom//Bust to a great extent in Modern?

>>44831011

It's absolutely awful against aggro but it trashes decks that rely on nonbasics, especially Tron.

Play it if you enjoy rock paper scissors.

Have 3 weeks to a modern torment. Was going to bring twin, but guess that isn't happening. What should I morph it into? Blue Moon?

>>44831011
>scooping to literally any 1 or 2 drop
>>44831070
Young Pyro/Monastery Mentor say hello

>>44831092
Do I just devote all the cards in my sideboard to anti aggro? Or do I convert it into an aggro deck post board against non tron decks.

>>44831120
Delver is the best thing you can change it to, but you're gonna get fucked by Tron if you do.

>>44831083
If they revised the format they would probably try to "balance" the colors, lower the power level of everything, and make it a bland and uninteresting format.

Alternately they would try to ban the turn1 combo decks because they shit on the non-blue decks. Then elves gets way better, lands gets a little better, but mostly the other combo decks get a lot stronger. Ban the fringe strategies like pox that make new players cry. Ban dredge and storm because they're hard to play against. Generally ruin the format

>>44831134
Yeah, they are good. I guess i meant when a creature like siege rhino becomes playable

>>44828603
Nigger, look at the commander decks.
Truly look at them.

WotC designs cards for limited and shoves in a couple slightly better lottery mythics for the standard grognards, if a card finds it's way into any other format is was entirely by accident.

>>44831070
There should be a creature deck viable in every format. Fags like you are why vintage and legacy is broken as all fuck. My god I hate blue players.

>>44831234
Yeah man creatures turning sideways is the best part of magic!!!! I hate counterspells!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>44831090
>Boom//Bust
there is a WR deck that plays that. uses Flagstones of Trokair and plays a control role/ not that great though

>>44828797
>Stand up for what you believe in.
I believe in rampant consummerism nigger.

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>>44831234
>vintage and legacy is broken as all fuck

>>44831234
Just so you're aware, we're really happy that you don't play our format either

>>44829357
I was gonna buy 3 Urborgs on monday.

>>44831134
Those are creatures, but they don't really go into creature decks

>>44831083
We'd probably see Brainstorm finally get a ban which would be actual hell. Almost definitely one of the Sneak and Show pieces too.

>>44831336
Does stax count as a creature deck? Affinity stax has got to count and that was somewhat viable for a while.
White trash can also do a mediocre impression of a viable deck.

>>44831352
>implying Jund, Pod, or Bloom were blue decks

>>44831407
>bloom

It was half of the colors of the deck

>eldrazi memedecks everywhere on modo

MAN I SURE DO LOVE VARIETY

>>44831134
Snapcaster wonders why you left him out.

>>44831399
I guess affinity stax is yeah. Merfolk too. But stax is more of a prison deck, in that you're really battling the spheres

>>44831407
Can you even read?

>>44831399
The white deck just feels like a bad version of stax

>>44831491
Yes and you?

>>44831435
Because he's not a creature.

>>44831528
Way better than you, as it stands.

what matchups are better for nacatl burn than naya burn?

>>44831575
>Elves still folds to Tron
Fug

>>44829837
Thanks familia

>>44831051
Leyline wont save you from cheeri0s if they're running bushwhacker or the wonky crop rotation variant.

>>44831816
It stops the instant wins, you basically have to bank on stuff like elephant grass

>>44831862
Goblin Bushwhacker is a turn 1 killer in cheeri0s if the deck went off. Not the most efficient killer but when you have 24 pieces of cereal, 4 of which have 1 power already and can give them all +1/0 and haste. But anyways if blue was banned out then the entire format would be thoughtseize for control. I don't want this.

>>44831912
It would be win the die roll: the game!

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>>44829357
Really? Voice? Wanted to trade away my copies during pre-release weekend, but guess ill hold on to them. Think ill build GW Bears instead.

>>44831575
None, catfags are store shills trying to make that shit spike and havent been able to top 8 in a while because Naya loses to Affinity and Merfolk.

>>44831993
I mean, I even run thoughtseize in Cheeri0s for the control matchups.

But imagining all the control in the format being limited to hand control/burn/destroy/sac. Stax would give me cancer.

>>44830695
What would really happen if they looked at the format is they would just ban Counterbalance and Loam since those are the two dominant decks right now

>>44831234
are you saying creature decks aren't viable in legacy?

because there are plenty of them that are plenty viable

>>44828603
>27 cards for EDH
Nigger do you PLAY EDH? I know when we're being catered to. Fuckin stupid shit like the Primordial cycle was EDH fodder. Just because a card is bad and has a high mana cost doesn't make it "EDH playable" unless everyone's playing a Timmy battlecruiser deck.

I don't buy cards from new sets at all anymore, and I still have a dozen EDH decks to choose from. The cards nowadays aren't that special for the format.

>>44831407
Kiki pod was blue, bloom had hella lot of blue (it's alt wincon) jund is one of the very very few not blue cards or decks that haven't been banned

>>44832293
*have been banned but not blue.
Sorry, am drunk

>>44828797
I like the feeling of competitive because I like winning prizes. Hell, I make competitions out of shit that isn't even a competition. I also don't have a large group of friends to play Magic with, so kitchen table is out of the question. Even so, I don't care about losing money. It is a hobby. Most hobbies don't earn you money. Auto enthusiasts sink thousands into cars they will never sell. Gun enthusiasts sink thousands into guns they will never sell. I sink hundreds into a card game because I like playing competitively.

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4C Gifts:
3x Inquisition
1x Thoughtseize

or

2x Inquisition
2x Thoughtseize?

>>44832451

Seems pretty inconsequential

>>44832451
3 IoK
2 Thoughtseize

>>44831407
Phyrexian metamorph is blue.

>>44830549
>and is considered the toughest deck in the format to play well
By whom? :D

>>44832451
4 Thoughtseize
Sideboard IoK

>>44832816
Other way around

So does this mean Kiki chord is gonna good?

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>>44828797
>Getting this mad at a card game

Wew lad

Well I just spent a bunch of money one Wastelands and Mox Diamonds

Not looking back

>MM2 Karn is at $65

Great, now I can sell a couple before April.

>>44833097
The tabernacle will hurt

>>44833246
I already had two for some reason

>>44833288
Lucky bastard. Best thing I ever found in mutt collection was a foil Onslaught Bloodstained Mire

The banning of Splinter Twin and Summer Bloom will not kill Modern.

What WILL kill modern is if all of the people with voices that collectively reach thousands of people continue to say that Modern is dead leading the community to be less excited about the format and stop attending events.

Please, take some responsibility and view this as a challenge rather than a personal attack on the way you play Magic (or your wallet if you were heavily invested in those decks). There is now a new format to explore. Brewing and delving in to a new format is one of the more rewarding parts about Magic. Post about that instead of being cynical about the change.

>>44833479
I don't care so much about the bans themselves as they don't really affect me or my decks in a negative way, I've just lost all interest in playing the format in the way Wizards seems to envision it.

I have no faith that they will make it better, and I believe it will only get worse from here on out.

>>44829527
I just copped 4 Lava Spikes. The time for burn is now lad.

>>44833479
It's hard not to be cynical when Wizards constantly fucks up like this

>>44833479
>Brewing and delving in to a new format

Do you really think the format will be that different?

It will be super similar to the one we had only there might be like one new brew that makes it to tier 1.

Tired of faggots thinking Twin was the ultimate boogey man that was keeping [insert tier 5 shit brew] from being good. The reality is that all of the tier 1 decks oppress shittier decks and we won't wake up tomorrow and have 10 different all new super brew decks in tier 1.

>>44833696
It's not a fuck-up. It's them providing an opportunity for variety in the Modern Pro Tour or Grand Prix. It's them making sure that the game has a chance to be different than the metagame from last year.

Whether or not it will be different is irrelevant. The point is that if nothing changed then people get bored and don't watch.

And here's the thing. Stores are able to sanction casual events and have been able to for years and now you can have casual events for FNM and get promo support. So if everyone playing Modern sat down and agreed with a fair majority to allow Splinter Twin to stay unbanned in their personalized Modern format, then the store can host a casual sanctioned even that's Modern with a custom ban list. Boo hoo, nobody gets Planeswalker Points, who gives a fuck. You will still get promos.

I'm not saying I have any motivation to do what I suggest above. I play Modern once a month maybe. I felt the cold sting of Birthing Pod getting banned and at the time I really didn't care because there were alternatives. And there are still alternatives now.

The real problem, as it always has been, is that the fucking format is too expensive, which makes it really goddamn difficult to just pick up a new deck. But nobody's talking about that shit, that should be the NUMBER ONE issue that comes before all other issues. This wouldn't be a problem if players could just buy a new deck for $100 but they can't.

Does anyone have a good/reliable chinaman that they use to buy conterfeits?

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>all these blue tears

Cry harder, make your mana proud. After all your mana symbol is a fucking tear.

Twin is banned? Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

How do we beat tron and eldrazi? Are there any colorless hate cards or ways to interact with lands?

>>44834517
Ghost quarter, tectonic edge, surgical extraction for 2 life.

>>44834544
Mana dork + beast within

>>44828797

>Doesn't even mention limited
>Rotating formats are bad, but so are solved formats
>Implying you're supposed to either profit or break even on hobbies
>This is what Modernfags actually believe.

It's a card game, dude. Not a stock option.

What deck should I build?
Finna cash out all my side decks on MTGO. I'll end up with about 250 tix.

>delver beats twin
>OGW has multiple potentally good delver cards
>about to build delver again
>twin is banned
well fuck me sideways modern is a shit format

Trust for building T1 decks is going down the toilet, modern is DEAD

DEAD

>>44834798
Just don't do twin or bloom

>>44834816
This is why I always built high end T2.

>44824315
Its a modern thread friend. Next time ask in a casual one, because mono white is unplayable in modern besides martyr proc, sisters and emeria (and they are not very good to almost good enough with other colors in them).
Of the top of my head, white cards from recent sets worth of play in casual:
Precinct Captain
Banisher Priest/Fiend hunter
Honor of the pure
Champion of the Parish
Brimaz
Elspeth variants
Brave the elements
Hero of bladehold
Mentor of the meek
Archangel of tithes

As for modern, BYE TWIN ITS TIME FOR BLUE MOON

>>44834798
Twin or Bloom are good decks with a lot of more than decent results lately, I'd look into that if I were you.

>>44834844
>Twin or Bloom are good decks with a lot of more than decent results lately, I'd look into that if I were you.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll look into them.

Go and build a tier one, I dare you
Also enjoy my hatecards I'll bring for you.
We are in the netdecking era, be smart!

>>44834828
Can relate to dis

>>44834848
You're welcome!

>>44834843
Death and taxes is a thing.

>>44834517
Painter's servant
Hot tech

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>>44834848
>>44834862
>>44834844
They're freacking banned, FAGS
If you wanna build them, be my guest

>>44834890
Painter's Tutelage

>>44834900
You must be new.

>>44834900
this is next level bait

>>44834900
Is this meta-baiting?

Isn't the knight fall combo similar to twin? I also believe it's more skill intensive and easier to fuck up. Just pick up that.

>>44834925
it's also bad

Fuck it, someone link me the best burn list.
Going in Hot.

I'd look for it myself but I'm using a shitty iPhone 4 right now.

>>44834903
>>44834911
I reached a level where I witnessed such stupidity that this seems absolutely fucking believable!

>>44834816
>>OGW has multiple potentally good delver cards

Like what anon?

I was about to build delver too I've not really looked into OGW is all

>>44834993
Stormchaser Mage and Jori En

I for one welcome $12 Swiftspears :^)

>>44834888
You are correct, not very good right now unfortunetly.

>>44835038
how the hell is an uncommon from ktk more than 2 dollars right now

>>44829357
>And meanwhile, the enemy of the player, the filthy money grubbing kike rubs it's filthy kike-paws in his kike lair, the dumb goyim never the wiser

Remember: Slay a kike, save a game.

>>44835047
Made a quick check on Ebay and ended up buying two Swiftspears for the price of one, thanks anon.

Also, its the greatest thing since sliced bread aka Goblin Guide.

>>44835116
I am not denying that Taylor Swiftspear is an amazing card, I am saying that an uncommon in a very heavily opened set currently in standard almost never breaks $2

>>44835132
Silkwrap broke $2
Roast almost broke $2

Those two are for the most part exclusive cards to Standard.

>>44835176
standard is ass right now

>>44832814
Memers, you know memedern players.

>>44835187
Still looking at sets its seems that there is always at least one uncommon thats good enough to break $2, so Swiftspear isn't an exception.

>>44834947
Nobody?

>>44830695
>Since we feel we've osterizing our muslim players we're unbanning bazaar of baghdad

>>44835212
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-naya-burn-21367#paper

>>44830549
To be fair, Cascade is a pretty fucking powerful effect.

There are decks that are built around the effect alone.

>>44834612
>Magic is a game
>Not a stock-roleplaying kikebreeder
You don't play mtg, do you?
Oh
>Limitard
yeah you don't, go back to school kiddo.

>>44828673

>tfw people have not yet caught on that Expedite from OGW makes this deck better

No longer will I have to run thought scour for cantrips 16-20

>>44835262
Were you already playing Crisom Wisps?

>>44831308
Cringe

In the next set, Shaman of the Deathrite is printed.

(g/b)
1/1
t:target opponent exiles a card from his graveyard. If the exiled card is a creature card, gain 2 life. If the exiled card is an instant or sorcery card, each opponent loses 2 life. If the exiled card is a land, add one mana of any color to your mana pool.

Would this be modern approved?

>>44835132
Arguably the best red 1 drop ever. Foils are already at ~$15 iirc.

>>44835355
This is definitely more balanced than DRS, would probably see play in GBx, but would never be printed

>>44835344

Stock cantrips were

Serum Visions
Sleight of Hand
Cerulean Wisps
Manamorphose
Thought Scour
Vision from Beyond

The Thought scour and Cerulean Wisps really do nothing though, so Expedite is a better option as it allows you to immediately go off from a topdeck dork

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>>44835369
Why would you run cerulean wisps when pic related is a thing?

>>44835360
I could agree with that, although Lackey or Kird Ape might take that spot

Whats the cheapest T1 deck right now price wise?

>>44835526
Amulet Bloom or Twin.

>>44835537
epic meme brother

>>44835526
Taking Turns

Cap it.

>>44835526
Infect is going to be making a comeback if Tron gets big
BW Eldrazi if that becomes a thing
Merfolk maybe?

All three under $700 right now.

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>>44835400
Lackey is ehhh, but the Ape is another solid contender.

I can definitely see this seeing some play in UR aggro decks now with Stromchaser and Swiftspear. Hugely underrated card imo.

>>44835620
wow it's a 1/1 for 1 with prowess

everyone better buy the fuck out of it because it's clearly sleeper broken

>>44835634

It also untaps which puts some extra potential on it.

>Official post ban deck tiers, as of right now.

>Tier 1
RG Tron
Bogles
Infect
Scapeshift
Grishoalbrand

>Tier 2
Burn
Merfolk
Jund
Kiki Jiki combo (Chord, Coco and adjusted 'Twin' lists).
Mono Green Stompy
B/x Eldrazi
W/G Hatebears

>Tier 3 and below
Everything else

>>44835667
>Official
My ass

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>currently buying into UWR

>>44835600
Whats a good infect and Merfolk list?

>>44835667
Current Official Tier List Post Ban
>1
RG Tron
Infect

there are no other tiers

and you forgot affinity

>>44835667
No Grixis control?

Sideboard against burn with infect?

>>44835667
Junk should get better than jund in a meta full of affinity and burn, the life gain and access to leyline/stony silence and memerhino would be great

>>44835702
>>44835716
Don't give him attention. This whole list is a giant hook meant to catch fish. It's even more obvious when you take into account he even made a seperate thread with the same list.

Just hide the post and move on

Should I try to trade my Liliana of the Veil + some other thing in my binder for a Gaea's Cradle? I play EDH mainly but I wonder what you guys think since Liliana's price is thanks to her relevance in other formats. Will she go up in price, should I wait if I do it at all?

>>44835746
>he even made a seperate thread with the same list
there's shitposting in the modern general, and then there's taking it to a whole new level

if you didn't notice I was shitposting as a response to the shitposting

what you are seeing now is meta-shitposting, or shitposting about shitposting

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If the tron and eldrazi decks really spike in numbers then im boarding these fuckers

>>44835667
>Mono Green Stompy

I's been memed.

Alright niggers it seems obvious Pox value decks would be great for the meta. What would be the best option of Pox deck though?

>>44835793
>Nature's Claim

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So with ghost quarter, fetch lands, and other tools, it's possible to get gravestorm up to 2 or 3 without doing too many contortions.

With greater Gargadon, you can probably increase that number by 3.

End result would be having 2 huge creatures hit the battlefield, and possibly being able to strip your opponent's deck of answers.

I think this has some viability, possibly in a discard shell (discard spells can be converted to counters on nivmagus instead of sitting uselessly in your hand).

So, Twin player here. I'm a little salty, but I do have a pretty large pool of modern cards that will allow me to build a few new decks. One of my backup decks was RG Scapeshift with Titan. I'm thinking it's going to be really good in the new meta of Tron and Eldrazi overlords, considering Twin was its worst matchup and had not a single card main deck to stop it. thoughts?

>>44835981
I also have every card for RUG or BtL Scapeshift, so I'll either play that or build RUG moon.

>realizing how invested you are into a shit format and getting depressed

>>44836012
Get affinity

>>44836012
I feel you. I play Valakut Titan too and I don't know if we should really play it in an Aggro (Affinity/Burn/Infect) vs Ulamog (Tron/Eldrazi) meta.

I am currently working on Jeskai Flash (Kiki). It's okay so far.

>>44835974
just play restore balance

>>44836021
Thought about it, but I'm sure it's about to sky rocket in price and I have a feeling it's on the chopping block (along with Tron) for next January.

My roommate plays it though, so I can always borrow his if I want.

>>44836067
I play two Obstinate Baloth mainboard, I could maybe see bumping it up to three but it would really feel bad for the ramp strategy. do you play any main or have you considered it?

>>44831352
>>44831271

I don't know why blue players are so assblasted. It's almost like they don't have the skill to play Agro

>>44836068
I've considered that, but I have a couple things against it.

>requires contorting your deck around cascade
>all in combo

I like the idea of running a deck with okay cards that have strong synergy and multiple avenues of play.

>>44836124
let me tell you though

the amount of salt it creates on MTGO is insane, especially against slightly slow affinity hands. They dump their entire hand and get you down to like 10 and then you balance away literally every permanent they control and they just leave match

>>44836068
Whats a good Restore Balance list?

>>44836233
there is restore balance with the mana rocks and there is one without it, you must decide wich one you wanna play

>>44836343
Link/post both?

>>44836349
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/modern/developing-competitive-modern/221760-restore-balance

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>>44835667

>>44836093
Not linear enough. The plan against aggro is to combo quick.

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>>44835793
Yeah, that's what I thought. It's so flavourful too.

And leyline of sanctity so they cannot strip us of our network

Also painter's servant

>>44835369
>Thought scour does nothing

What about Fatestitcher?

quick boys, odds of affinity getting the axe? I'm buying into it but i don't want to drop $700 on arcbound ravioli and friends if it's on the chopping block

>>44836488
buy into legacy instead

>>44829548
What does everybody think about Jeskai Ascendancy control like this guy is running now that twin is dead? Or is linear green version still better?

http://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/modern-jeskai-ascendancy-23252#online

>>44836488
The reason WotC didn't ban anything else this time around is because they want to see how the meta develops before they do anything else. Affinity or Tron will only have stuff banned if they actually turn out to be problems.

>>44836548
The meta has had 3 years to develop and find answers to Affinity and Twin. And the notion that things which are too powerful must be banned is ridiculous. Unbans can balance the format just as much as bans. Frankly, Modern NEEDS Jace to be unbanned at this point. It's not even funny at this point how Wizards can look at how blazingly fast Modern is, and still think Jace would be a problem card.

>>44835667
>no ANLS
What.

>>44835667
>Tier 0
Affinity
Tron

>>44836656
>wizards unbanning anything from modern unless its unplayable like GGT
>laughinggirls.jpg

>>44836488
Don't worry about it. Even if one or two pieces eventually get banned, the deck will live on.

>>44836873
Personally, I would not play affinity without plating or ravager.

So Twin got banned because it was the best for too long? I don't get it, isn't that the point of eternal formats? Stable formats with relatively rigid tiers that you can buy into and know that your deck will maintain its position hopefully forever?

>>44837127
The worst part is that the combo is easy to disrupt, and there's plenty of sideboard cards available to deal with Twin. Quite literally the reason that Twin has the percentage it had is because people didn't feel that they needed to board against it that much. Unlike Affinity, which continues to crush games in the face of a wall of sideboard hate. Literally EVERY deck packs hate for Affinity, and it wasn't that far behind Twin in metagame representation.

>>44837127
Twin was 15% of the meta game. WotC thinks that it hurts diversity and stops new decks from forming.

>>44837175
Literally who the fuck cares about "diversity"? Health and skill level of the format matter more than the number of decks played.

>>44837175
yes it hurt the diversity of decks that don't play removal, modern was apparently too interactive

>>44837175
http://mtgtop8.com/format?f=ST
Khans block constructed was 70% Abzan.

>>44837200
>Literally who the fuck cares about "diversity"?
LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A RACIST OVER HERE GUYS

>>44837127
In a sense. It was the same reasoning as behind banning Pod. It lessened diversity as every URx deck played the combo and it, WotC suspected, made other types of combo decks unplayable in the format. The fact that this open up some sideboard slots for other decks in the format as well as not making maindeck Spellskite a necessity also hopefully means that the metagame will have the ability to fight against a deck like Tron or Affinity which people on /tg/ are convinced are now unbeatable.

>>44837219
No it didn't, most blue non twin decks had a good matchup against twin, twin was also keeping their bad matchups like tron down.

Control will only get wrose now.

The only decks that it kept down were linear decks that don't play removal, but I guess Modern needs more of those.

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>>44829624 I think I got the feeling
>>44829670 I need a heavy creature
>>44836542 I'm playing WBR. How do I draw?

Also Plowshare(s) y/n?

>>44837200
WotC cares. It was a stated goal of the format when Modern was first announced to be a format of brews and rogue decks with no top dog to take down. This was one of the reasons that they banned cards like TMS and Bitterblossom preliminarily, because they had just been parts of top dog decks in Standard.

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>>44837200
Pic related.

>>44837262
>Modern was first announced to be a format of brews and rogue decks with no top dog to take down
That's retarded. Such a format can never exist. There is ALWAYS a best deck. Shitty t4 brews and rogue decks are, by definition, shit. If a deck isn't allowed to be top dog for longer than a year or two, why even have eternal formats?

>>44837219
>It was the same reasoning as behind banning Pod
No, Pod was banned because its limited the design of future creatures when one deck can pick and choose from the best and most niche creatures in existence without suffering any real downsides. And don't even talk to me about podding Finks into Meme Rhino. There's value, then there's stupid shit like that.

>It lessened diversity as every URx deck played the combo
Also wrong. Like, so wrong. The combo is useless without Pestermite and Exarch, and those aren't creatures you jam into any old deck. Pestermite maybe, but it's the worse of the two main Twin targets, and you don't run Twin if you only have 4 targets in your deck.

>it, WotC suspected, made other types of combo decks unplayable in the format
Wizards doesn't want combo in the format in the first place. A turn 4 combo deck is a bad deck. Storm is a turn 4 combo deck and just look how bad it is.

>The fact that this open up some sideboard slots for other decks in the format
Fuck right off, this is the dumbest thing I've heard all day. You're quite literally implying that sideboards can now magically focus on less decks, when the alleged aim of this banning was to make there be MORE decks. You think BW Tokens can become tier 1 and not demand unique sideboard slots?

>hopefully means the metagame will have the ability to fight against a deck like Tron or Affinity
TWIN WAS QUITE LITERALLY THE METAGAME FIGHTING AGAINST A DECK LIKE TRON OR AFFINITY

LIKE, IT WAS THEIR WORST FUCKING MATCHUP

>>44837217
There is literally nothing wrong with one deck formats

>>44837375
yes as long as it's a fun deck like Cawblade

>>44837375
Perhaps in a philosophical sense. Doesn't mean much when no one plays that format. Khans block killed block constructed as a format.

I get disconnected off the mtg world a few days and holy shit Splinter Twin gets banned. What was /tg/'s reaction to this? I'm reading there was a leak?

>>44837375
I don't fully agree with that but I don't like either the way WotC "cut twin down". Feels something like protecting owns territory or something.

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wizards dont even want a signle control deck in modern...

>>44837390
>Doesn't mean much when no one plays that format.
Maybe people should get good and stop expecting variety from a competitive game then.

>>44837412
Stop acting like we owe Wizards a favour. If people want a competitive game with a variety of decks, it's the job of Wizards to provide that. If Wizards aren't providing it, people will just go elsewhere. Magic has already seen a decent decline in the last year. This is going to push the game over the edge. You don't just ban two expensive tier one decks like that.

>>44837412

What amazing reasoning

>"People should spend their money on things they don't enjoy"

Find a tall place to jump from please.

>>44829624
I know I'm 12 hours late, but is abzan really that much cheaper than jund?

>>44837436
What exactly does having a variety of decks do for you? When you're supposed to grind every possible matchup until you can play every possible situation on autopilot, you no longer gain enjoyment from variety anyway. And more varied formats have a bigger share of RNG contributing to wins.
Anyone who wants "a variety of decks" is just a shitter who needs to rely on lucky matchups to win.

>>44837532
Well you don't need Confidants and you can usually skim 1 or 2 Lilianas but otherwise its mostly the same shit.

>>44837536
variety makes that kind of grinding impossible. It means that playing correctly is less about pre memorized knowledge, and more about your ability to evaluate threats that present themselves in real time.

I find that enjoyable. Memorizing matchups is less enjoyable.

>>44837536
>what is having fun with a children's card game

>>44837585
Who goes to a top level tournament to "have fun"?

>>44837536
Reading the metagame is a skill in of itself. Legacy tournaments are won and lost on gauging how many copies of Force of Will to mainboard, and what exactly your sideboard needs. These aspects are stressed much less in Modern.

>>44837536

>Literally everyone that plays Modern is aiming for top 8 at the pro tour
>It's completely and utterly unreasonable to expect to have any kind of fun playing a fucking card game

Kill. Your. Self.

>>44837620
>random blowouts you can't do anything about due to variance are fun

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>>44837636
>random variance
>in a card game

>>44837619
>Reading the metagame is a skill in of itself. Legacy tournaments are won and lost on gauging how many copies of Force of Will to mainboard, and what exactly your sideboard needs.
And then you lose because even though you properly read the metagame, you got paired against less represented decks in swiss and lost because your deck wasn't prepared for them.

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>want to get into Modern because std current meta is borring
>look up this thread
>crybabies and doomsayers everywhere
>any deck below T1 is considered shit
>decks are non interactive and are 600$+
>don't want to get into Mordern anymore.

Dodged a bullet here.

>>44837652
Minimizing random variance should be the goal of any game that calls itself competitive.

>>44837375
What is 2015 US and Europe yugioh and Pokemon WCG?

>>44837559
I was under the impression that LightningHelix Rhino offsetting its hp cost when flipped with Confidant was one of the strengths of Junk.

>>44837636
Those random blowouts happen because Modern is a terribly designed format with an appalling banlist. One of the biggest offenders when it comes to variance-based blowouts is Tron. Holy fucking shit that deck is the most matchup polarized piece of shit in the format. Either you're 75/25 against Tron, or Tron is 25/75 against you. Go ahead, try and name another deck that's like that. And yet TWIN is the one getting the hammer.

It's the same shit with Bogles; either you're able to blow it out due to the deck you just happen to be playing, or you get eaten.

>>44837600
>Who goes to a top level tournament to play solitaire while making another person waiting

>>44837685
Take a random guess why no one create chess card game

>>44837677
/tg/ is hardly representative of Modern players as a whole.

>>44837685
Ability to handle variance is a much greater skill than the ability to memorize.

>>44837694
I'm curious now, what does a competitive Pokemon deck look like?

>>44837745
Handle shmandle, at the end of the day you are subjected to the whims of random chance, and skill doesn't always make up for that.

>>44837734

Yeah, /reddit/ is (given that's now the official forms) and even THEY are doomsaying this ban list announcement.

>>44837782
In one match, yes variance can outweigh the ability to handle it. But one match means nothing. Over the course of a larger sample size, the ability to handle variance will always make the more skilled players rise to the top.

>>44837782

>I can't think on my feet, I shouldn't be punished for this!

Sounds like someone needs to git gud

>>44837800
Too bad tournament tops aren't determined by large sample sizes. Yes, on average better players will top more tournaments than less skilled ones. But ideally, if you're the best Magic player in the world, you should be able to win every tournament you attend. That is not the case.

>>44837636

>>random blowouts you can't do anything about due to variance are fun

I mean, sometimes, yeah.

>>44837835
Unfortunately not every game is chess,or go, nor does every game try to be.

>>44837353
>TWIN WAS QUITE LITERALLY THE METAGAME FIGHTING AGAINST A DECK LIKE TRON
But that's wrong. Recent Tron lists had a much better matchup against Twin, maybe even favored, and Twin hosed a lot of aggressive strategies which Tron has trouble containing.

>>44837835
>But ideally, if you're the best Magic player in the world, you should be able to win every tournament you attend
This is the stupidest, most ridiculous "esports" mentality I've ever heard. Imagine a player who has a 90% chance of winning every single match he plays. Know what his chances of winning a 10 round single elimination tournament are? 34%. He's twice as likely to lose as he is to win. And you're telling me there's something wrong with that or what?

>>44837868
This. Somehow people don't realize it's nigh impossible to lose to Twin as Tron g2/3 with x rending volleys, nature's claims, defense grids, pithing needles and torpor orbs. It only takes about 6-7 turns to ramp to Emrakul while keeping green/red up at all times.

>>44837882
And that's why no serious tournament is fucking 10 round single elim, because that's retarded

Quick, give me a cheap Modern deck that isn't Infect !

You can't

>>44837217
Standard had a while after khans where junk was 50% of its meta. The R&D that says they do a great job on standard fucked it up worse then when cruise and dtt where in modern.

>>44837913
Eldrazi if you hurry

>>44837913
Taking Turns
Lava Spike Burn

>>44837913
Bogles.

>>44837913

MONO GREEN ZOO
MONO BLUE ROBOTS
MONO WHITE SOUL SISTERS
SELESNYA RAMP FATTIES
RAKDOS VAMPIRES
SELESNYA HEXPROOF

How'd I do coach?

>>44837913
Lantern Control
KCI Combo

>>44837677
There's really no reason to get into modern if you don't already have a deck or two and there's no legacy scene in your area
Its a pretty crap format and is probably only going to get worse
Standard is pretty shit too though

You can build legacy Storm or Elves or D&T for the price of modern Jund, or Enchantress, Dredge, MUD, or Nic Fit for about the same as Tron or Affinity

>>44837913
>>44837913
Merfolk, living end, mono black eldrazi, elves. Wow that was easy.

>>44837963
Lantern control isn't cheap. Mox opals are basically essential.

>>44837930
>>44837976
The eldrazi lands have already jumped in price.

>>44837927
Hey, the treasure cruise era for modern was pretty fun. It pissed people off because literally every single tier 1 deck got relegated to tier 2.

>>44838004
Then it's your fault for not being fast enough nigguh

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>>44837409
Mfw I already had four of these for tribal wars legacy.
Mfw I was undefeated even against legacy goblins and merfolk.

>>44837963
>lantern control
>ensnaring bridge
>mox

>>44838004
>>44838028
>Mox Opal
>Ensnaring Bridge
That's like $35-40 for two of the cards in the deck. The rest is still dirt cheap.

>>44837913
Define cheap.

>>44838004
>The eldrazi lands have already jumped in price.

Did you see Scapeshift too? Shit was $20 3 days ago and now it's $57
Good thing I had four from when I played Lorwyn block

>>44838013
It was fun because it was a nice change of pace, but it was also pretty clear that UR Delver became way too strong and that both Dig and Cruise were way too good for the format.

>>44838023
Cleric bro?

>>44838004
>The eldrazi lands have already jumped in price.
the deck is still cheaper than infect which I assume is the baseline going along with the previous post.

>>44838071
the deck is literally $900
Opals
Bridge
IoK
Thoughseize
Spellskite
Decay
Glimmervoid
All the other lands

>>44838111
I was playing clerics.

>>44838120
>$900
I feel my inner capitalist shouting of joy.

>>44838105
Yes, and it also shows that WotC were willing to take risks with power level, which should be seen as a good thing. But it was good that they left the format.

>>44838071
per card.

You want a playset of each, so that's about 240 bucks for less than a 6th of your deck.

another 120 for a playset of glimmervoids, and you're at 360 buckaroos.

mtggoldfish has it at 100 tix over the price of infect.

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>Modern was created because Legacy was too expensive for newer players
>It's easier to make a cheap Legacy deck competitive than make a cheap. competitive Modern deck

What a great format.

>>44838181
Don't worry, Modern Masters 3 will reprint all of the cards people want and fix the format ;^)

>>44838198
>Modern Masters 3 will reprint all of the cards people want
Then they get banned in time for Modern Masters 4.

>>44838198
Can't wait for those mythic rare Scalding Tarns

>>44838181
seriously I am not putting another cent towards modern staples, I am going to keep playing with my deck until tron lands are kill until I can buy into legacy delver

>>44838198
>mm3
>all the good cards are mythic rarity
>all it does is drive up demand for modern staples as more people briefly enter the format thinking things will be more available.

>>44838220
But Anon, they have to be mythic to prevent them from warping the limited format, just like Tarmogoyf ;^)

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>>44838198

I bet Modern Masters 3 will be great in draft

Someone hit me with one of those Eldrazi decklists.

>>44838287
60 copies of DANK MEMES

Ban goyf already
I wanna see those Rags cry like the Bitches they are because I'm Poor
Bonus points for rare goyf in mm3 and ban after 6 months!

>>44838287
eldrazi is a meme deck

>>44838299
You can't reprint goyf at rare anon, the goal is to increase supply without lowering price and negatively affecting j- eh, spec--no, collectors!

MM3 needs to be a massive print run and it needs to not have any mythics. LotV at rare, Tarmogoyf at rare, enemy fetches at rare. This would go so far to fixing modern's completely fucked up prices. The fact that Wizards wants to protect the interests of the secondary market over the people who actually want to play the game is so ass-backwards.

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>>44838287
Here's what I have at the moment

>>44838220
Not gonna happen. Dual lands are always rare.

>>44838237
That's not why Goyf was made mythic. Goyf isn't even that good in limited. He was explicitly made mythic to not greatly affect his value. Wizards haven't even tried to hide this fact, they have answered exactly that every time the question has been asked.

>>44838287
Just buy one FAT PACK (With Noah Bradley FULL ART LANDS) of OGW and you're good to go friend! :)

>>44838340

You say this like you didn't know this is what they already wanted to do from how they treated Legacy.

Hell while we're asking them for ponies and ice cream we might as well ask for them to get rid of the fucking Reserve List.

>>44838305
/tg/ thinks everything is a meme deck. It means literally nothing.

>>44838299
Ban:
Goyf
Bolt
Cranial Plating
Tron Lands
Goryo's
Living End
Valakut

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>>44838352
>Dual lands are always rare.
>circumvent this by only printing expeditions of Zendikar fetches in return to zendikar

>>44838371
At least they have the reserved list excuse to lean on in Legacy. There is ZERO excuse for Modern being as expensive as it is.

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>>44838385
>wizards' face

>>44838372
/tg/ calls meme decks meme decks

it will remain a meme deck until it can put up consistant results for a few months

>>44838385
Those were promos, but to appease your autism I'll change my wording to "Standard legal dual lands are always rare."

>>44838417
There's also no reason for that. modern playable duals at uncommon would not ruin limited.

Actually that would be a pretty fun limited format if multicolor archetypes were prevalent.

>>44838372
>4chan calls literally everything a meme
fify

>>44836873
The deck becomes tier 2 without the mox, anon.

>>44838459
>multicolored limited format
>fun
Gold blocks are always the worst to draft.

>>44838518
>hating ravinca draft
>hating apocalpyse draft


s m h You have to be 18 to post here f a m

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>>44838404
>arbitrarily add in lottery tickets to your packs
>"hey guys I opened an expedition I love wizards!!!!" (1000 upvotes)
>no no silly friends, overpriced zendikar fetches? But We care about the limited format!

Any tips on how to restructure Bogles for post-twin modern?

Right now I have this:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/07-12-15-bogles/

Once Oath releases I will switch out Nature's Claim for Natural States.

>>44838591
What even needs to be changed?
Also people are running suppression fields in it now? How recent is this?

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>>44838576
More like Witches of the Coast am I right

>>44838643
Not sure if it is up to speed to compete with other bigger decks. The meta that I play in is primarily dominated by Junk, Jund and Tron. Other decks I'm not too worried about but Tron is shitting on me.

Suppression field is just a nice bit of mainboard disruption that gets in the way of Lili, T3 Karn and punishes 3c decks without hindering me too much.

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>>44838658
[r]And the reserve list will certainly not be removed![/r]

>>44837665
At least in legacy you only need to board 1-2 copies of a card to be able to reliably dig for it. Unlike modern where apparently cantrips are too powerful.