>the Orks have multiple Death Stars >the beasts waaaaagh

>>44814426
>BL is trying hard to make this guy seem threatening

Well I don't know about you but he sounds PRETTY FUCKIN' THREATENING.

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>>44814426
>Also there's only a single imperial fist left
Excellent.

Black Templars doing the shot everyone else should be doing, once again

>>44814426
I wonder how the beast is going to eventually die, they're building him up pretty massively at this point.

>>44815159

We'll find out in Book 12, the finale.

>>44815159
>I wonder how the beast is going to eventually die

Anti-climatically.

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>>44815159

There is nothing wrong with making Ork Warlord threatening.

>>44815282
>imperium on the brink of collapse after months of fighting
>the reunified imperial fist legion fails
>all hope is lost
>a company of ultramarines shows and kills the beast

I see it happening

>>44815297
>ORKZ ARE A MEME ARMY, THEY'RE JUST JOKES! I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYONE THINKS THEY SHOULD BE THREATENING, WE ALL KNOW THEY'LL JUST BRING CHAOS IN SO IT IS A REAL FIGHT. YOUR OPINIONS ARE DUMB AND SO ARE YOU!
/s

A popular theory is the fists will be remade with gene-seed from traitor corpses recovered in the siege of Terra. He last surviving fist slaughter becomes chapter master and keeps the secret to the grave

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>>44815159

>>44815366
We Dark Angels now?

>>44814426
Interestingly enough, whey they describe the Fists Exemplar, they reveal that unpainted ceramite armours is gunmetal in colour as opposed to err... ceramic.

>>44814426
>BL is trying hard
HH tainted them into making things bigger and bigger.

I'd rather an ork be threatening for reasons other than HE'S SUPER HUGE AND ALL HIS ORKS ARE HUGE AND HE BLOWS UP PLANETS. Like the ones in Redemption corps/spoiler]

>>44815390
WE

>>44815385
that's not an Ultramarine, that's a Storm Warden

>>44815366
Why? Mars has geneseed banks, so do the Fist Successors, and the last Fist still has two progenoids.

There's no reason to bother.

>>44815366
Except the far more likely option is that the Fists Exemplar will take over as the new Imperial Fists, considering they're described as being the ones who most readily accepted the codex, whereas those who remained Imperial Fists, most certainly did not. And we know the Imperial Fists of M41 are extremely codex-compliant.

>>44815202
>>44815177
Highly doubtful, considering the series will also cover the coup of Vangorich and his removal by the Halo Brethren, Sable Swords, and (most likely newly renamed) Imperial Fists. This takes place 2 years after The Beast first shows up.

>>44815422
They didn't come up with the event. It's been on the 40k timeline since 6th edition, and The Beheading since 5th edition.

>>44815859
>They didn't come up with the event.
But they are coming up with all of the details.

>>44815732
Maximus Thane has his name etched into Rogal Dorn's skeletal hand as a former chapter master. It's pretty strong evidence that the Fists Exemplar will become the new Imperial Fists.

>>44815342
Yup, going to happen.

>>44815348
>/s
Leddit plz go

>>44815366
What? This again? Marines produce geneseed to harvest every 20 years or so, but one marine producing enough seed for a chapter is unlikely. That's where the test slaves come in. Or you know, the geneseed storage the Cogboys have.

I was going to buy the Dan Abnett entry in the Beast series, but I went for a non-Abnett book instead since I always read Abnett. Is it worth buying?

>>44816035
They're coming out one a month until the end of the year. Wait for the bundle.

>>44814426

The only good fluff written for the 40k universe is in the Forgeworld Imperial Armour books. That, and maybe Fifteen Hours by Mitchel Scanlon. Everything else is decent at best and shit for edgy twelve year olds at worst.

>>44816094
So I take it you haven't read it.

>>44815422
That's Ghazgkull's job. The Beast is just a big fighter, like a lvl 20 warrior. Ghazgkull is more like half-rogue, half-warrior.

>>44816103

Read what? Predator, Prey? No, I haven`t. I already dislike most of the things written about the book in this thread though.

>>44816075
Oh wow, that's fast. The quality must be shit.

Though I'd find it hard to believe it'll be worse than Silver Skulls: Portents, which is what I picked up.

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>>44814426

Orks were in dire need of some wank. I'm okay with this. Sounds like a fun read.

>>44815556
rekt

>>44816145
The fuck? The series has been in the works since 2012. Because they realized that not planning the whole thing out in advance leads to stuff like the Horus Heresy getting bogged down.

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>>44816192
Get hype.

The next book has Eldar attacking Terra and the Imperial palace..

>>44815282
Another successful mission accomplished by I, Cato sicarius!

>>44816350

Ohh man, I hope they just walk right in and do whatever. Would be so sweet to watch all those "NO MAN, THE SOL SYSTEM HAS MORE WARSHIPS IN IT THEN THE REST OF THE IMPERIUM COMBINED!" faggots be forced to eat shit.

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>>44816350

>The T-rex armed warlock got arm correction surgery

I'm happy for him.

>>44814426
>>44815159

The Beast Himself was described as the size of a Hab Block, so he's probably going to fall in a one-one one duel with a Titan.

>>44816406
What the fuck, really? Fucker is kaiju sized?

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>>44816379

Wasn't there already a novel where Eldrad infiltrated Terra to have a chat with John Grammiticas like it aint no thing? Dickery Elf does whatever the fuck Dickery Elf wants.

>>44816379
Y-You're joking right? Nobody could be so anti-imperial/pro-eldar that they'd actually WANT pre-existing lore to be ignored so there can be more wank for an army that has become a literal cum bucket that is overflowing.

>>44816452
>>44816379
Gee...it's almost like the Terra of M41, which has been in a state of perpetual war, might be different from the Terra of M32, which has been at peace for nearly 1,500 years.

>>44816424
He indicated one image in particular, and then enlarged it onto a console’s main overhead screen. The image made Maskar blench. It was a pict feed, streamed through some exotic form of image capture system, that was being broadcast directly to them. It was a transmission for their benefit, for the benefit of any victims the orks came upon.

There was little sense of scale, but Maskar appeared to be looking into the eyes of the most immense ork warboss. The creature was so mature, so vast and bloated, its features were distorted. Broken tusks like tree trunks jutted from the cliff edge of its lower jaw. It was staring right out of the screen with tiny, gleaming yellow eyes, its jaw moving.

‘That bastard thing is aboard the moon,’ Heth said. ‘It’s their leader. I think he’s the size of a damn hab-block, Maskar. Saints of Terra, there hasn’t been an ork boss that massive since Ullanor. I mean, they just don’t develop to that size any more. Look, look. In the foreground? Those are greenskin warriors. They look like children.’

>>44816452

Getting wanked in crunch? Definitely. Wanked in fluff? Ha ha, no. 6/7 of the Eldar perspective novels are about Alaitoc getting almost wiped out and sucking Cron dick.

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>>44816322
>Because they realized that not planning the whole thing out in advance leads to stuff like the Horus Heresy getting bogged down.
>mfw
>implying they weren't going to milk it out from the beginning
>implying the authors have any control over said milking
>>44816350
I'm still curious on how they're going to pull this off.
>>44816379
Terra isn't as fortified as it in the modern 40k. It's going to be fun to see Custodes partaking in the tradition of beating the Avatar of Khaine to a pulp.

>>44816524
And then there was Valedor, which was awesome.

>>44816524
It's just that one Craftworld.

>>44814426
Wait wasn't the beast a warboss in M32?

>>44816539

Agreed, and it didn't make Nids look lame just to wank the Eldar. It felt like a hard fought win. One of the few times The Avatar got to be a bad motherfucker too.

Guy Haley did one of these new books isn't he? I'll give it a read sometime.

>>44816584
Yes.

>>44816527
I don't know if you noticed, but there's no associated GW material for any of this, and as ADB has mentioned, there aren't any plans for it to be. This is an entirely BL project.

This is nice and all but where are the book downloads

>>44816613
I was talking about the Horus Heresy series.
>Entirely BL project
I'm going to be optimistic here and hope this ends better than the Heresy series. I'm honestly curious on that one novel they're calling "The Emperor Expects". Who or what is he expecting? The Beast or Gork and Mork?

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>>44816527
>It's going to be fun to see Custodes partaking in the tradition of beating the Avatar of Khaine to a pulp.

>>44816514
>I think he’s the size of a damn hab-block
The power creep is real; why do you need to make orks 10 times bigger than what they're supposed to be?

>>44816715
But do Orks have a limit of how big they can get? Deffboss obviously can't happen but put an Ork through Hell and he'll get bigger. Maybe he's one of Great Boss Tuska's boys and got kicked out of Khorne's realm.

>>44814426
where did that ork get an aimpoint

>>44816363
>But you won't be born for anothe-
>I, Cato sicarius!

>>44815366
woaoaooah what if-
Perturabo finds life as daemon prince boring and unfulfilling, and helps bring back the Imperial Fists with all that geneseed he stole so he can have endless siege battles

>>44816798
from the same git planting optics in his head?

>>44816715
But saying the Ork warriors next to him look like children makes me think the hab block thing may be hyperbole. Size of a house and all. Since orks are generally space marine sized, if they look like kids next to the boss, that'd make the boss, what, 30ft tall or so? Still big, but not godzilla big.

>>44817035
Nobs are child sized, regular orks even smaller.

Book 2 feature's Nobs so large they smash buildings with single sweeps of their weapons and throw kastellan robots around.

>>44817096
child sized in comparison*

>>44817096
Now I'm finding my suggestion of the Beast being one of Tsuka's boys more believable. What else could these Orks have been to become so strong?

Warhound sized Beast, Knight sized Nobs?

>>44817096
You are talking Imperial exaggeration as facts.

The Beast picture was out of scale. So I wouldn't take what an Imperial said about it as fact.

The Ork warboss that chocked the Emperor was twice his size. I reckon the Beast isn't much larger than that.

>>44816715
That's always been a gimmick wih Orks. Their size is a direct dictation of power. As the strongest waaaagh ever they'll be huge

>>44817359
Ghaz leads the largest Waaagh! in galatic history and has the personal sanction of Gork and Mork. He hasn't gone titan mode.

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>>44817211
More like Imperial Knight sized Beast, Dreadnaught sized Nobs.

>>44817321
Book 2 had them described by narrator, holding that in with perspective from book 1.

>>44817394
Perhaps it's some sort of environmental factor that made the Beast so large. Something in the water or air.

>>44817394
thats cuz he's a cybork

>>44817359
>>44817394
I always thought it was the size of the Waagh and how important the warboss think's he is. Ghaz is doing his waagh for Gork and Mork so maybe he dosnt consider himself as important as he is.

>>44817478
>>44817394
That cause orks also grow with challenges, and Ghaz's challengers have all been smalltime manlet orks.

>>44817394
Ghaz isn't beast level, nor ullanor level, nor gharkul level.

The beast was specifically said to have united the majority of the Ork race. Nobody else has come close to that

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>>44817424
war, war was in the air and water

>>44817409
>Book 2 had them described by narrator, holding that in with perspective from book 1.

>>"The puniest of the Beast’s monsters were small mountains of muscle, standing snaggle-jaw and shoulder over other orks. Striding through the mobs and madness were greater beasts still: towers of tusk, green flesh and ferocity. Like gargants or giant effigies of greenskin gods brought to life, these hulks carried colossal weapons that demolished buildings at a single strike and monstrous guns that mangled infantry and tank formations with equal, bloody ease."

It was their potent weapons that smashed and wrecked the place. No real indication about their size was given.

>>44814426
>1 IF left

what the fuck


did I miss something

is this 40k or stuff that happened milennia ago so I know IF are safe and I can have a peaceful sleep?

>>44817585
After the Heresy.

>>44816715
Also, if these Ork Warbosses that are meant to pose a serious threat are blown up to such a retarded size, it kinda makes the "normal" Warbosses look like clowns by comparison.

THe best was in book one when the beast was trying to send a message to the imperials but they had no idea what he Was saying cuz they don't speak ork

>>44817585
Yup, 32 millenium, back then the High lords could order marines around, so the entire IF chapter was ordered to go deal with a literal vermin infestation.

>>44817521

Ghaz Waaagh! is the largest Waaaagh! in galactic. Larger than even the Beast! Waaagh!

Saying that he wasn't at the level of any of lesser Waaagh! is bullshit.

>>44817519
What challenges did he face? Humies? The Orks, before the Beast came by, were isolated to the fringes of the galaxy by the Great crusade.

Ghaz fought Tyranids, Necrons, Chaos, and space Marines.

>>44817559
I mean, I know this is a rigorous exercise in autism but if we can take the comparison of these larger greenskin warriors to gargants literally, that puts them at roughly the size of an Imperial Knight.

Because we're talking about 40k in general and especially Orks, the Beast has to be bigger than that.

>>44817607
>>44817616
thanks lads.

>>44817615
Cockney isn't that hard to understand.

so The Beast lives up to his name
good

fuck marines
Beast WAAGH best day of my life
>be marine
>get rekt by fucking greenskin
can't make this up

>>44817616
It's not like they were doing anything else. Hell, there was word of disbanding marines entirely.

>>44817621
The size of the Waaagh! is different from the size of the warboss. The Beast is individually bigger. It's also a hell of a lot closer to Terran than Ghaz ever was.

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How does your post-medieval setting justify swords > guns /tg/?

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>>44817625
It's just hyperbole damnit.

Not lets have a comparison between the Emperor and the Ork Warboss that fought him and Horus.

He was twice the size of the Emperor and nearly overpowered him. Hmm...big not not titan sized.

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>tfw the Dark Angels won't even show up in the most important event in Imperial history since the Horus Heresy.

>>44817644
That's not Ork. It never was. When Orks speak that way, they're speaking Gothic. You can find true Ork in Engine of Mork, which is written in translated Ork, rather than Gothic, in the same way Valedor is written in translated Eldar.

>>44817668
It is not.

The Waaagh! energy generated by Waaagh! is channelled through the Warboss. It's more so the case of Ghaz who is psychically connected to Orks all over the galaxy.

>>44817697
An event that literally is only remembered as a pair of footnotes 9,500 years later. The Imperium has almost been destroyed dozens of times. The difference is the Ordo Redactus did a better job of wiping the records clean.

>>44817697
>expecting the most selfish chapter to show up

>>44817697
They're too busy BEING COMPLETELY LOYAL.

>>44817705
>>44817644
>>44817615
Book 2 had the Imperial translating it.

Someone post it.

>>44817644
The cockney is a mangled form of low gothic adopted so they orks can bully, brag at and extort the Imperium, it became the de-facto language of the humanspace orks, the Beast speaks old ork.

>>44817678
Power Armor. Shields.

>>44817668
>Hell, there was word of disbanding marines entirely.
lol WHAT
It's like the the traitor legions weren't still around? BL has gone round the fucking bend

>>44815407
I always assumed ceramite was a cermet (ceramic/metallic composite), so this makes sense to me. Most cermets are metallic in color, though they usually aren't very reflective.

>>44815407
I've read about it more than once in other books. I'm pretty sure DB says something like that about the black templars armours in armageddon

>>44817800
They weren't. In fact they were nearly entirely forgotten. The last attack was on Cadia 800 years earlier, which it's likely that Terra never even heard about. As far as the High Lords of Terra were concerned, chaos marines weren't a thing.

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>>44817761
We are loyal anon, we just suffered the unfortunate fate of our Primarch's adoptive father being a touchy cunt.

>>44817768
Found it.

>What sounded like the kind of belly-thunder that might erupt from a carnivorous death world predator was in fact a savage xenos vernacular. A barbaric decree from a tyrant species, hollered impossibly across the void. The words were raw and delivered like a barrage of artillery, but they were unmistakably greenskin. The broadcast assumed myriad forms, although certain linguistic patterns were the most repeated. The translation was crude but compelling.

>Amongst the barbaric abandon of mindless monstrosity, the being announced itself as ‘the Slaughter to come’ and ‘the Beast’. It was beside itself with brutality and promised ‘blood for blood’, ‘an end to weakling empires’ and ‘the stench of oblivion’.

Orks are sure edgy.

>>44817885
That sounds like something a pretentious Chaos Lord would say. Not propa Orky at all.

>>44817885
>a thing in Warhammer 40,000
>edgy

No, really? Do you think?

>>44817885
>>44817931

>the secret to Ork warbossdom is finishing school

>>44817885
>>44817931
He's seen the current Ork dex.

>>44817931
He is supposed to be a Blood Axe, so intimidation tactics are to be considered a possibility, in book two it's revealed to send the oppressed and desperate into riots and near-worship.

>>44817885
Looks like Chaos Orkz are a thing again.

>>44817885
no shit what gave it away? The fact that they are so addicted to fighting they make Sayans look like hippies or the skull trophies warbosses have?

>>44816514
>Deffboss is actually a thing that could exist

>>44817931
Fuck your propa orky. I'm glad to have some meaningfully terrifying orks.

>>44818221
Never understood why people can't accept that orks are both goofy and still terrifying.

Like hippos.

>>44818264
If there were equal representation of the two, then sure. But there isn't. Also because most of the fandom never reads past the first paragraph of 40k wiki.

>>44818218
You mean Warboss Punchsun, right?

>>44818221
How the fuck is that terrifying? It sounds like some 13 year old's impression of what a badass villain sounds like. Even for a Chaos Lord that dialogue would be dumb. Why can't he have propa Orky values and still be a terrifying threat by virtue of being a giant monster whose idea of a good time is never-ending war and genocide?

>>44814426
That's a shit cover

>>44817931
Elegance in native tongue?

>your skills are inferior and need practice

>gid gud

>>44814484
Still not as interesting as Gazzy, I don't care how big he is

In theory could this Big Guyz simply not be a unheard of breed of orks sort of like how Squiggoths are a large breed of squig?

>>44818341
>in their language they have plenty of very sophisticated ways of saying they are going to kill you, and everyone you know

>we don't in ours

Just like words for the back of the knee. English doesn't have a word for it, nor does Russian IIRC.

>>44818372
The Beast was always noted as the Warboss who made Orks go from pests to "active threat must purge"

>>44815366
The Imperial Fists have huge banks of gene-seed, though. Not just the stuff on Terra - all chapters keep stashes throughout the galaxy, just in case.

>>44818404
Not to mention they drop sucessor chapters like Orks drop spores.

>>44816350
>Terra
>ever getting attacked after the Horus Heresy

It's the most important planet in the whole galaxy.

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>>44817697
That's fucking great. If they did show up, Gav Thorpe would throw in Cypher and turn the whole thing into an over the top Fallen wank-fest by the third book, so that we forget about them ever doing anything else as a chapter ever again.

Fuck you Gav Thorpe, I hate you. I hate that the first Unforgiven book was good, the second was okay, and I'm mad that the third is shit.

>>44818542
Nah, the third was cool for Azrael BTFO'ing Typhus.

>>44818542
>Deathwing famous for Xenos Hunters
>Never used as Xenos Hunters ever again now.

>>44818397
Or how there's like a dozen different Latin words that mean "to kill." Extremely militaristic cultures would logically have a lot of words to describe their favorite activity.

>all the traitors just fucked off and will never bother us again
Really?
I might believe this if Imperials of the time thought that anyone who enters the Eye of Terror DIED, but there's no indication of that

>>44818598
>tfw no one remembers the Storm of Vengeance campaign

>>44818376
The point of orks is that the stronger they are, the bigger they are and vice versa. It is not about breed, it is about environment and conditions for ork growth.

>>44818622
Or like the 53 inuit words for snow and over 70 for sea ice.

>>44816527
>I'm still curious on how they're going to pull this off
Backdoor through the human webway. Since its just their webway, but for humans.

>>44818438
I know. It's almost like Rome. I mean after it was ransacked, who would ever allow it to be undefended again? Oh wait, it is.

>>44816350
I thought the Goge heresy was the only other siege of terra

>>44818581
That part was cool, but the third basically blew apart everything that had happened before.

We had Astelan, and how subtly corrupting he was - forcing even a great Chaplain to doubt himself, showing off how grand he was as a Space Marine that simply could not be matched by today's standards, and even seeming more palpable than some of the Dark Angels.

Then Cypher comes in, casually kills him off, and gets rid of any mystery or doubt we had by going 'oh yeah he's totally Chaos, and I'm here to explain everything and be bestest friends against this threat and even stare down your scariest chaplain.'

It was a lot of cool buildup to an ending that was nice enough, but incredibly disappointing compared to what had been hinted before. What seemed like a huge conspiracy was basically 'Nurgle's servants want to attack you.' Which was clear from the moment we started seeing Nurgle taint in the first book.

>>44818598
That's gone along with the Native American theme, friend. At best you see a feather now and again, and it makes me sad, since the Deathwing short story is actually pretty good.

>>44818720
see >>44817753

>>44818719
Hey, that is not a fair comparison to make. In the Middle Ages especially, most of Rome's power was limited to the influence of the church, not direct military might. Italy was a gaggle of bickering city-states for years.

The Imperium is, at least on paper, totally united. They know how important Terra is, not just as a religious site, but as the seat of power in the Imperium and the place where the Emperor powers the Astronomican. They wouldn't let any serious threat pass through the sector unhindered, let alone actually reach the planet.

>>44818854
That requires them to actually know that such a threat was even there. Communication is not exactly the most consistent thing. It was six weeks before Terra even knew that things weren't going well against the Chromes.

>>44814426
Just from reading this thread, I'm seriously thinking about dropping any new 40k fluff. This shit is retarded.

I thought things were getting worse in the fluff for years, but titan sized orks and the secret extinction of one of the major chapters is stupid.

>>44819345

So despite Orks getting ecks bawks hueg and marine chapters being wiped out being long established things that have happened many times, this happening again is somehow a step too far?

>>44819345
>the secret extinction of one of the major chapters is stupid

They're not extinct yet.

>>44819345
Open up the 40k timeline and just look at the list of insane, apocalyptic events that happen before M41. This is nothing new.

>>44818221
want a terrifying Ork look up Boss Snikrot not this fucking wannabe Khornate

>>44814735
Perturabo did nothing wrong

>>44819738
He decided Perturabo was a worthy name.

>>44819345
In all fairness, it is a little unbelievable that the First Founding chapters are completely impervious to all permanent harm. Even the Blood Angels bounce back from near total losses once.

>>44819769
Thrice, actually.

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>>44816690
>Who or what is he expecting?
Probably the guard and the astartes to do their fucking job.

I hope it's a book about guard doing what they do best, dying holding the line.

>>44819586
For me, yeah. I like orks, but the size of a titan? Come on. And I'm fine with chapters getting wiped out. But one of the first founding ones that are so respected and old, and we're told over and over how respected and old they are, oh wait, lol nope they died but it's cool, here are the Fists II. That's poor storytelling.

>>44819605
True, but from what I've seen here, I'm not sure about 40k anymore. I think I'll stick to the older stuff from here on out.

>>44819612
What is new is that it was a cool, mysterious event, not a retarded play-by-play BL fanfiction. The fluff was better when it was old half forgotten myths and deleted files. That was cool. But Horus Heresy books started and now everyone is obsessed with knowing everything.

It is like the Prequels of Star Wars. Everyone had their imagination, and for a lot of people, the Prequels didn't live up to it.

>>44819769
I didn't say or argue that they are or should be. I just think it is a tweest that is stupid and lazy. They can't kill them off because there is 20 some odd years of background, so they found a really silly way to do it. Sorry if you disagree, I didn't mean to make you pissed.

>>44819987
The point is that this exact thing is hinted in the Blood Angels book as having happened in the past. Surprise! It actually happened. Why is this a problem?

>>44819987
I'm not mad - just playing a bit of devil's advocate. I feel they did it very stupidly - the Blood Angels were badly battered, but their successors loaned neophytes and gene-seed to the chapter so they could rebuild over time. It wasn't 'make a new chapter and call them the Imperial Fists and hope no one notices they're completely different than they used to be.

>>44816798
Cheepa den Teefs.

>>44815407
Well yes. The Grey knight have always been grey because they also don't paint their armours

>>44820017
I guess it isn't. Sorry and nevermind.

>>44820075
That's the problem I have with it.

>>44820075
I actually think it fits well. They're still a Fists successor. They're a 2nd founding chapter. I highly doubt this is something that's going to be kept a secret from other chapters. But the rest of the Imperium? Who's going to know? If you took a Crimson Fist and put him in yellow armor and stood him before a million random (yet properly weighted) sample of individuals from across the Imperium, how many are going to know he wasn't actually an Imperial Fist? We know because we're the readers and are relatively intimately familiar with the differences between chapters. But the vast majority of the galaxy isn't going to know the difference, nor care.

>>44815422
will there ever be a sequel to redemption corps?
I like mortensen better than gaunt and cain.

>>44817697
They can't, they're busy waging the Forgotten Wars against the Fallen at this time.

New Caliban must burn.

>>44820225
Just to add. Not mad. Just genuinely interested in debate on the flow of the series.

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I have nothing against exploring vague events in the Imperium's history but I just find it weird they'd take twelve books to detail this, when they could take twelve books to detail the Age of Apostacy or the fall of Kreig or the Nova Terra Interregnum.

I get that there isn't much BL material involving orks but then why don't they just write a proper Armaggedon series?

>>44820313
Because 30k sells, and they want something to tie xenos into it so that xeno players don't feel left out.

>>44820313
I think the difference is both of those events are entirely Imperium-focused. The period they're using works nicely because there's two major, earth-shattering events that occuring in fairly quick succession. The rise of The Beast, and The Beheading. One is xenos-centric, one is Terra-centric, and the implications of both are occurring at the same time.

>>44814426
That's... dumb. He should be threatening for strategical reasons, not because it's fucking Godzilla. Yeah, I know that the bigger a Waaagh! is the bigger its Boss is, but come on. That's a lazy way of portraying it.

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Have the memes become real?

>>44820394
He is threatening for strategic reasons. He's already in Segmentum Solar and less than six weeks warp travel from Terra.

>>44820401
That boy would be as tall as the Warboss if he stopped squatting.

>>44820225
Also, Fists Exemplar do not survive until the 41'st millenium, not in name at least.

Yet the Fists do.

>>44820430
So why does he need to be Godzilla on top of that? Are Orks so pathetic that they need to blown up to such ridiculous proportions to become a credible threat?

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>>44814735
Indeed.

>>44820438
Warboss is also squatting.

>>44815282
Literally who

>>44820484
We don't actually know his true size because no one's seen him in person. Most likely he's primarch size or slightly larger. Not godzilla.

>>44819924
>For me, yeah. I like orks, but the size of a titan? Come on.

Except nowhere does it say that The Beast was the size of a Titan. Nigger, did you just get angry at something YOU made up?

>>44820513
From the Errant gorget, a green whelp.

>>44820472

This too >>44815967

>>44819924

>But one of the first founding ones that are so respected and old

So they should have plot armour for no other reason than coming first and all successors are left to job? How bout no?

>That's poor storytelling.

You've not even read you utter faggot.

>>44819345
Best series is looking better than the mess called Horus Heresy not even fucking mentioning aos

>>44820345
Arguably every event I described is 30k. I don't see how the Beast is any different.

>>44820373
Are they actually going to get to the Beheading? Because that could actually be kind of awesome, although assassins need more fluff that isn't just the "snipe a fly's wings off a star system away" kind of power wank.

>>44818716
But there was daemons infesting it.

>>44820564
No, it was in the thread. Sorry.

>>44820587
I'm not for them surviving or not. I don't think they should have plot armor. I just mentioned several times that the idea of them being secretly replaced by another chapter sounded retarded. I'm sorry you are pissed at my opinion. I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to insult my reading comprehension or infer that I am a homosexual.

/tg/ always a strives to teach me to keep my opinion to myself. Sorry I forgot that lesson again.

>>44820650
Vangorich has gotten such a solid chunk of screentime he's one of the main character of the whole series. There's no way they're not getting to the Beheading. Not to mention he's eventually taken down by three chapters. Two of which we know nothing about (The Halo Brethren and the original Sable Swords) and the third one is the "Imperial Fists"

>>44820650
There is an assassin whose MO is "Cave in skulls and pull out organs with metal reinforced fists".

>>44820484

Bigger means more powerful and impressive in 40k. Angron as Daemon Prince is the size of a titan for this reason.

>>44818754
Astelan didn't die anon, the end of the book revealed it was a body double.

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>>44815159

By a warscythe

>>44819886
Or maybe he expects this series to get better than the Horus Heresy series.

>>44820687
>I'm sorry you are pissed at my opinion
>Waaah, no one is allowed an opinion on my poorly formed opinion

You're being called a faggot, because you're giving a completely uninformed opinion on a book you've clearly not read.

>/tg/ always a strives to teach me to keep my opinion to myself. Sorry I forgot that lesson again.

Glad to hear it.

>>44820687
Fists Exemplar are not another chapter, It's their successors.

The ones Dorn beloved to be the best and brightest, the shining future of his chapter, the Fists Exemplar.

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>>44820758
>Implying that 'Crons are still fluff relevant

You're just another cataclysmic doomsday race, but you don't have your shit together like Chaos, Nids or Orks. Cursed to always be swept under the carpet as tertiary baddos like Dark Eldar.

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>>44820438
>>44820496
They all squat. They're always squatting. It's just their natural posture.

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anyone else see the title and think of this?

>>44820801
No need to be a jackass. I was seriously apologizing to you.

>>44820999
>literally the only AvP book I ever read

>>44821063
was it good?

>>44821085
i enjoyed it, they made the predators actually be characters, and not cutout evil huntards.

>>44820848
Why weren't they mentioned after the Iron Cage then when the Legion split? And wouldn't the Imperial Fists be the ones Dorn loved the most?

>>44821010
Dude, it's cool. Everything's cool.

I'm personally really excited both about the period that they're covering and the fact that they really put some thought into the whole arc of the story.

>>44821110
Because the chapter was wiped from the history books. The Imperium propaganda machine can't have it known that an entire chapter was removed/renamed just to cover up the loss of the true 1st founding chapter. Even if the only effective differences is that the new one follows the codex and the old one really didn't.

>>44821110
Not the most loved, but the ones believed to be the Future of the Imperial Fists.

He split them into chapters based on their tendencies.

The ones truest to his own beliefs were kept in the IF
The most agressive and zealous were made BT
The rapid assault experts became Soul Drinkers
The most Stubborn and unrelenting defenders that refused to budge even if logic and tactic dictated otherwise became the Excoriators
The greatest duellists and siege-breakers became the Iron Knights
The newest recruits were made into the Crimson fists
The most progressive and forward thinking were made Fists Exemplar.

>>44821111

If it's cool, why the fuck were you such a piece of shit? I was actually sorry for even saying any fucking thing because I am apparently worse than fucking Hitler for it. So no, things are not cool. I'm done. I'm out. Enjoy your story, enjoy your gaming.

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>>44821352

>>44821348
When did Iron Knights become 2nd founding?

>>44821348
Hold on a sec - the Soul Drinkers aren't IF successors, and the Iron Knights don't have a specified founding.

>>44821465
31st millenium

>>44821500
No shit wise guy. What source?

>>44818397
>That feeling when you realize there isn't a word for it.

>>44818397
>>44822040
You mean the popliteal fossa?

>>44821487
>>44821514
I had a long reply typed out but after 11 attempts with spam detection and multiple 4 layer capcha I gave up.

>>44821348
>>44821487
It mentions in one of the novels that Rogal Dorn is not the Primarch of the Soul Drinkers.

Which asks the question of who is the Primarch of the Soul Drinkers?

>>44822398
My money's on a missing Primarch.

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>>44821352

>Being this much of a baby

>>44822493
They did have that unique gene seed mutation.

>>44814426
Who wanna bet that 10 random marine will take them down with no problem?

>>44822398
>Which asks the question of who is the Primarch of the Soul Drinkers?
When in doubt, the answer's Rubinek.

>>44822343
Any chance of a tl;dnr? I'm really interested to know where this info about the Iron Knights came from.

>>44822535
At least this gives us an idea of one of the missing Primarchs.

>>44822398
Considering how retarded the Soul Drinkers were, I nominate Perturabo or Lorgar.

>>44822706
But neither one of them had the mutation the Soul Drinkers had.

>>44822686
>>44822535
Which may have just been something that formed years later. Like a whole bunch of the Raven Guard successors.

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>>44815859
>Except the far more likely option is that the Fists Exemplar will take over as the new Imperial Fists

This reminds me of Star Trek when they do a time travel episode and a main character dies but in the end they just replace him with himself from 5 minutes in the future. In the end is it really that much of a big deal?

>>44816665
The same place you stop being a poorfag.

Sarpedon grew arachnid legs which is a very unique mutation. Maybe a missing Legion had a Spider theme so the Star Spiders led by Stellus Araneae?

I can imagine the Jeremy Kyle show style for Chapters in a Unknown Founding.

>Jermus Kylus: Blood Ravens. Corvus Corax...is not your Primarch!
>Blood Ravens: Oh shit!
>Magnus: It is I, Magnus the Red!
>Blood Ravens: Fucking steal him!

>>44822782
Not much, it just means you'll have progressives doing their best to emulate their stubborn and stolid forbears, in the end making them even more pig-headed than the originals in an effort to compensate.

>>44822747
It can be described as warp magicks.

>>44822947
>Jermus Kylus: Ultramarines. Robute Guilliman...is not your Primarch!
>Ultramarines: This violates the Codex Astartes!
>Jermus Kylus: It is I, Alpharius!
>Ultramarines: No! That's not true! That can't be true!

>>44822782
Well the old Imperial Fists weren't following the codex, and the Fists Exemplar were.

>>44822747
>But neither one of them had the mutation the Soul Drinkers had.

Mutations happen over time too.

>>44822947
>Jermus Kylus: Emperor's Children. You are not the Emperor's Children. You are in fact Fulgri...
>Emperor's Children: How does that make any sense?! You just said who we were and said we were not. It makes no sense.
>Emperor's Children: Actually it does *takes of helmet*
>Alpharius-Cocaine and hooker time is over!
>Everyone: Oh bollocks!

>>44817621
Is Ghaz's actually complete, though? From what I've read, it's not finished yet, but is getting close.

>>44824249
Da Waaagh is neva finished, alwayz growin. Youz sound like a humie who tinks he can has enuff dakka.

Can alwayz be more dakka. Can always be more choppy. Can always be redder for faster, bluer for lucker, n' purpler for more sneaky. Youz can always has more Boyz, bigga Nobz, and tastier grotz.

Da Waaagh grows, until itz mobz are Waaaghs dat Waaagh while they're Waaaghing in muh Waaagh like Xzibit is one of muh boyz. And den those Waaaghs grow.

>>44820488
>combi-autocannon

what the actual fuck

>tfw the Beast is defeated in a wrestling match with a Freeblade Knight

I wouldn't mind it

>>44822754
The Raven Guard are unique in the fact that their gene-seed is really, really fucked up. They have to use the gene-stocks from Terra for new recruits (which makes you wonder if they bother harvesting progenoids in the first place). Even the more stable strains of the earlier founds have serious problems, let alone the later foundings.

>>44816350
>>44816527
>>44818438
>>44818720

Well, keep in mind, this is the Eldar. They're not going to commit a massive armed force to fight the Imperium in their capital system one-on-one. They're probably going to try and slip in undetected somehow.

>>44824476
Its the handle+targetting laser/cam, its not a bolter.

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>>44818754
>Then Cypher comes in, casually kills him off, and gets rid of any mystery or doubt we had by going 'oh yeah he's totally Chaos, and I'm here to explain everything and be bestest friends against this threat and even stare down your scariest chaplain.'

Wait, the Legacy of Caliban series ruins the ambiguity of Cypher?

Because, I have to say, if that's the case, it kinda rustles my jimmies. Cypher's ambiguity is a large part of what makes him fun.

>>44820313
>when they could take twelve books to detail the Age of Apostacy
I'd totally read that, actually.