>the Orks have multiple Death Stars
>the beasts waaaaagh field is so strong it's acting like the shadow In The warp. Whole worlds are losing their mind and astropaths are dying. It's a literal roaring sound across space
>the beasts waaaagh is influencing all the other Orks. Even the smallest Ork boy in his forces tower over a regular Ork. His nobs are the size of elephants. They're also much more aggressive and act like berserkers
BL is trying had to make this guy seem threatening. Also there's only a single imperial fist left and the black Templars are trying to reunite all of the fists successor chapters
>Also there's only a single imperial fist left
>imperium on the brink of collapse after months of fighting
>the reunified imperial fist legion fails
>all hope is lost
>a company of ultramarines shows and kills the beast
I see it happening
>ORKZ ARE A MEME ARMY, THEY'RE JUST JOKES! I DON'T KNOW WHY EVERYONE THINKS THEY SHOULD BE THREATENING, WE ALL KNOW THEY'LL JUST BRING CHAOS IN SO IT IS A REAL FIGHT. YOUR OPINIONS ARE DUMB AND SO ARE YOU!
A popular theory is the fists will be remade with gene-seed from traitor corpses recovered in the siege of Terra. He last surviving fist slaughter becomes chapter master and keeps the secret to the grave
>BL is trying hard
HH tainted them into making things bigger and bigger.
I'd rather an ork be threatening for reasons other than HE'S SUPER HUGE AND ALL HIS ORKS ARE HUGE AND HE BLOWS UP PLANETS.
Like the ones in Redemption corps/spoiler]
Except the far more likely option is that the Fists Exemplar will take over as the new Imperial Fists, considering they're described as being the ones who most readily accepted the codex, whereas those who remained Imperial Fists, most certainly did not. And we know the Imperial Fists of M41 are extremely codex-compliant.
Highly doubtful, considering the series will also cover the coup of Vangorich and his removal by the Halo Brethren, Sable Swords, and (most likely newly renamed) Imperial Fists. This takes place 2 years after The Beast first shows up.
They didn't come up with the event. It's been on the 40k timeline since 6th edition, and The Beheading since 5th edition.
Maximus Thane has his name etched into Rogal Dorn's skeletal hand as a former chapter master. It's pretty strong evidence that the Fists Exemplar will become the new Imperial Fists.
What? This again? Marines produce geneseed to harvest every 20 years or so, but one marine producing enough seed for a chapter is unlikely. That's where the test slaves come in. Or you know, the geneseed storage the Cogboys have.
The only good fluff written for the 40k universe is in the Forgeworld Imperial Armour books. That, and maybe Fifteen Hours by Mitchel Scanlon. Everything else is decent at best and shit for edgy twelve year olds at worst.
Orks were in dire need of some wank. I'm okay with this. Sounds like a fun read.
The fuck? The series has been in the works since 2012. Because they realized that not planning the whole thing out in advance leads to stuff like the Horus Heresy getting bogged down.
The next book has Eldar attacking Terra and the Imperial palace..
Ohh man, I hope they just walk right in and do whatever. Would be so sweet to watch all those "NO MAN, THE SOL SYSTEM HAS MORE WARSHIPS IN IT THEN THE REST OF THE IMPERIUM COMBINED!" faggots be forced to eat shit.
>The T-rex armed warlock got arm correction surgery
I'm happy for him.
Wasn't there already a novel where Eldrad infiltrated Terra to have a chat with John Grammiticas like it aint no thing? Dickery Elf does whatever the fuck Dickery Elf wants.
Y-You're joking right? Nobody could be so anti-imperial/pro-eldar that they'd actually WANT pre-existing lore to be ignored so there can be more wank for an army that has become a literal cum bucket that is overflowing.
Gee...it's almost like the Terra of M41, which has been in a state of perpetual war, might be different from the Terra of M32, which has been at peace for nearly 1,500 years.
He indicated one image in particular, and then enlarged it onto a console’s main overhead screen. The image made Maskar blench. It was a pict feed, streamed through some exotic form of image capture system, that was being broadcast directly to them. It was a transmission for their benefit, for the benefit of any victims the orks came upon.
There was little sense of scale, but Maskar appeared to be looking into the eyes of the most immense ork warboss. The creature was so mature, so vast and bloated, its features were distorted. Broken tusks like tree trunks jutted from the cliff edge of its lower jaw. It was staring right out of the screen with tiny, gleaming yellow eyes, its jaw moving.
‘That bastard thing is aboard the moon,’ Heth said. ‘It’s their leader. I think he’s the size of a damn hab-block, Maskar. Saints of Terra, there hasn’t been an ork boss that massive since Ullanor. I mean, they just don’t develop to that size any more. Look, look. In the foreground? Those are greenskin warriors. They look like children.’
>Because they realized that not planning the whole thing out in advance leads to stuff like the Horus Heresy getting bogged down.
>implying they weren't going to milk it out from the beginning
>implying the authors have any control over said milking
I'm still curious on how they're going to pull this off.
Terra isn't as fortified as it in the modern 40k. It's going to be fun to see Custodes partaking in the tradition of beating the Avatar of Khaine to a pulp.
Agreed, and it didn't make Nids look lame just to wank the Eldar. It felt like a hard fought win. One of the few times The Avatar got to be a bad motherfucker too.
Guy Haley did one of these new books isn't he? I'll give it a read sometime.
I don't know if you noticed, but there's no associated GW material for any of this, and as ADB has mentioned, there aren't any plans for it to be. This is an entirely BL project.
I was talking about the Horus Heresy series.
>Entirely BL project
I'm going to be optimistic here and hope this ends better than the Heresy series. I'm honestly curious on that one novel they're calling "The Emperor Expects". Who or what is he expecting? The Beast or Gork and Mork?
>It's going to be fun to see Custodes partaking in the tradition of beating the Avatar of Khaine to a pulp.
But do Orks have a limit of how big they can get? Deffboss obviously can't happen but put an Ork through Hell and he'll get bigger. Maybe he's one of Great Boss Tuska's boys and got kicked out of Khorne's realm.
woaoaooah what if-
Perturabo finds life as daemon prince boring and unfulfilling, and helps bring back the Imperial Fists with all that geneseed he stole so he can have endless siege battles
But saying the Ork warriors next to him look like children makes me think the hab block thing may be hyperbole. Size of a house and all. Since orks are generally space marine sized, if they look like kids next to the boss, that'd make the boss, what, 30ft tall or so? Still big, but not godzilla big.
You are talking Imperial exaggeration as facts.
The Beast picture was out of scale. So I wouldn't take what an Imperial said about it as fact.
The Ork warboss that chocked the Emperor was twice his size. I reckon the Beast isn't much larger than that.
More like Imperial Knight sized Beast, Dreadnaught sized Nobs.
Book 2 had them described by narrator, holding that in with perspective from book 1.
I always thought it was the size of the Waagh and how important the warboss think's he is. Ghaz is doing his waagh for Gork and Mork so maybe he dosnt consider himself as important as he is.
war, war was in the air and water
>Book 2 had them described by narrator, holding that in with perspective from book 1.
>>"The puniest of the Beast’s monsters were small mountains of muscle, standing snaggle-jaw and shoulder over other orks. Striding through the mobs and madness were greater beasts still: towers of tusk, green flesh and ferocity. Like gargants or giant effigies of greenskin gods brought to life, these hulks carried colossal weapons that demolished buildings at a single strike and monstrous guns that mangled infantry and tank formations with equal, bloody ease."
It was their potent weapons that smashed and wrecked the place. No real indication about their size was given.
Ghaz Waaagh! is the largest Waaaagh! in galactic. Larger than even the Beast! Waaagh!
Saying that he wasn't at the level of any of lesser Waaagh! is bullshit.
What challenges did he face? Humies? The Orks, before the Beast came by, were isolated to the fringes of the galaxy by the Great crusade.
Ghaz fought Tyranids, Necrons, Chaos, and space Marines.
I mean, I know this is a rigorous exercise in autism but if we can take the comparison of these larger greenskin warriors to gargants literally, that puts them at roughly the size of an Imperial Knight.
Because we're talking about 40k in general and especially Orks, the Beast has to be bigger than that.
It's not like they were doing anything else. Hell, there was word of disbanding marines entirely.
The size of the Waaagh! is different from the size of the warboss. The Beast is individually bigger. It's also a hell of a lot closer to Terran than Ghaz ever was.
How does your post-medieval setting justify swords > guns /tg/?
It's just hyperbole damnit.
Not lets have a comparison between the Emperor and the Ork Warboss that fought him and Horus.
He was twice the size of the Emperor and nearly overpowered him. Hmm...big not not titan sized.
>tfw the Dark Angels won't even show up in the most important event in Imperial history since the Horus Heresy.
That's not Ork. It never was. When Orks speak that way, they're speaking Gothic. You can find true Ork in Engine of Mork, which is written in translated Ork, rather than Gothic, in the same way Valedor is written in translated Eldar.
An event that literally is only remembered as a pair of footnotes 9,500 years later. The Imperium has almost been destroyed dozens of times. The difference is the Ordo Redactus did a better job of wiping the records clean.
The cockney is a mangled form of low gothic adopted so they orks can bully, brag at and extort the Imperium, it became the de-facto language of the humanspace orks, the Beast speaks old ork.
They weren't. In fact they were nearly entirely forgotten. The last attack was on Cadia 800 years earlier, which it's likely that Terra never even heard about. As far as the High Lords of Terra were concerned, chaos marines weren't a thing.
We are loyal anon, we just suffered the unfortunate fate of our Primarch's adoptive father being a touchy cunt.
>What sounded like the kind of belly-thunder that might erupt from a carnivorous death world predator was in fact a savage xenos vernacular. A barbaric decree from a tyrant species, hollered impossibly across the void. The words were raw and delivered like a barrage of artillery, but they were unmistakably greenskin. The broadcast assumed myriad forms, although certain linguistic patterns were the most repeated. The translation was crude but compelling.
>Amongst the barbaric abandon of mindless monstrosity, the being announced itself as ‘the Slaughter to come’ and ‘the Beast’. It was beside itself with brutality and promised ‘blood for blood’, ‘an end to weakling empires’ and ‘the stench of oblivion’.
Orks are sure edgy.
He is supposed to be a Blood Axe, so intimidation tactics are to be considered a possibility, in book two it's revealed to send the oppressed and desperate into riots and near-worship.
How the fuck is that terrifying? It sounds like some 13 year old's impression of what a badass villain sounds like. Even for a Chaos Lord that dialogue would be dumb. Why can't he have propa Orky values and still be a terrifying threat by virtue of being a giant monster whose idea of a good time is never-ending war and genocide?
>in their language they have plenty of very sophisticated ways of saying they are going to kill you, and everyone you know
>we don't in ours
Just like words for the back of the knee. English doesn't have a word for it, nor does Russian IIRC.
That's fucking great. If they did show up, Gav Thorpe would throw in Cypher and turn the whole thing into an over the top Fallen wank-fest by the third book, so that we forget about them ever doing anything else as a chapter ever again.
Fuck you Gav Thorpe, I hate you. I hate that the first Unforgiven book was good, the second was okay, and I'm mad that the third is shit.
>all the traitors just fucked off and will never bother us again
I might believe this if Imperials of the time thought that anyone who enters the Eye of Terror DIED, but there's no indication of that
That part was cool, but the third basically blew apart everything that had happened before.
We had Astelan, and how subtly corrupting he was - forcing even a great Chaplain to doubt himself, showing off how grand he was as a Space Marine that simply could not be matched by today's standards, and even seeming more palpable than some of the Dark Angels.
Then Cypher comes in, casually kills him off, and gets rid of any mystery or doubt we had by going 'oh yeah he's totally Chaos, and I'm here to explain everything and be bestest friends against this threat and even stare down your scariest chaplain.'
It was a lot of cool buildup to an ending that was nice enough, but incredibly disappointing compared to what had been hinted before. What seemed like a huge conspiracy was basically 'Nurgle's servants want to attack you.' Which was clear from the moment we started seeing Nurgle taint in the first book.
That's gone along with the Native American theme, friend. At best you see a feather now and again, and it makes me sad, since the Deathwing short story is actually pretty good.
Hey, that is not a fair comparison to make. In the Middle Ages especially, most of Rome's power was limited to the influence of the church, not direct military might. Italy was a gaggle of bickering city-states for years.
The Imperium is, at least on paper, totally united. They know how important Terra is, not just as a religious site, but as the seat of power in the Imperium and the place where the Emperor powers the Astronomican. They wouldn't let any serious threat pass through the sector unhindered, let alone actually reach the planet.
That requires them to actually know that such a threat was even there. Communication is not exactly the most consistent thing. It was six weeks before Terra even knew that things weren't going well against the Chromes.
Just from reading this thread, I'm seriously thinking about dropping any new 40k fluff. This shit is retarded.
I thought things were getting worse in the fluff for years, but titan sized orks and the secret extinction of one of the major chapters is stupid.
So despite Orks getting ecks bawks hueg and marine chapters being wiped out being long established things that have happened many times, this happening again is somehow a step too far?
In all fairness, it is a little unbelievable that the First Founding chapters are completely impervious to all permanent harm. Even the Blood Angels bounce back from near total losses once.
>Who or what is he expecting?
Probably the guard and the astartes to do their fucking job.
I hope it's a book about guard doing what they do best, dying holding the line.
For me, yeah. I like orks, but the size of a titan? Come on. And I'm fine with chapters getting wiped out. But one of the first founding ones that are so respected and old, and we're told over and over how respected and old they are, oh wait, lol nope they died but it's cool, here are the Fists II. That's poor storytelling.
True, but from what I've seen here, I'm not sure about 40k anymore. I think I'll stick to the older stuff from here on out.
What is new is that it was a cool, mysterious event, not a retarded play-by-play BL fanfiction. The fluff was better when it was old half forgotten myths and deleted files. That was cool. But Horus Heresy books started and now everyone is obsessed with knowing everything.
It is like the Prequels of Star Wars. Everyone had their imagination, and for a lot of people, the Prequels didn't live up to it.
I didn't say or argue that they are or should be. I just think it is a tweest that is stupid and lazy. They can't kill them off because there is 20 some odd years of background, so they found a really silly way to do it. Sorry if you disagree, I didn't mean to make you pissed.
I'm not mad - just playing a bit of devil's advocate. I feel they did it very stupidly - the Blood Angels were badly battered, but their successors loaned neophytes and gene-seed to the chapter so they could rebuild over time. It wasn't 'make a new chapter and call them the Imperial Fists and hope no one notices they're completely different than they used to be.
I actually think it fits well. They're still a Fists successor. They're a 2nd founding chapter. I highly doubt this is something that's going to be kept a secret from other chapters. But the rest of the Imperium? Who's going to know? If you took a Crimson Fist and put him in yellow armor and stood him before a million random (yet properly weighted) sample of individuals from across the Imperium, how many are going to know he wasn't actually an Imperial Fist? We know because we're the readers and are relatively intimately familiar with the differences between chapters. But the vast majority of the galaxy isn't going to know the difference, nor care.
I have nothing against exploring vague events in the Imperium's history but I just find it weird they'd take twelve books to detail this, when they could take twelve books to detail the Age of Apostacy or the fall of Kreig or the Nova Terra Interregnum.
I get that there isn't much BL material involving orks but then why don't they just write a proper Armaggedon series?
I think the difference is both of those events are entirely Imperium-focused. The period they're using works nicely because there's two major, earth-shattering events that occuring in fairly quick succession. The rise of The Beast, and The Beheading. One is xenos-centric, one is Terra-centric, and the implications of both are occurring at the same time.
That's... dumb. He should be threatening for strategical reasons, not because it's fucking Godzilla. Yeah, I know that the bigger a Waaagh! is the bigger its Boss is, but come on. That's a lazy way of portraying it.
>For me, yeah. I like orks, but the size of a titan? Come on.
Except nowhere does it say that The Beast was the size of a Titan. Nigger, did you just get angry at something YOU made up?
>But one of the first founding ones that are so respected and old
So they should have plot armour for no other reason than coming first and all successors are left to job? How bout no?
>That's poor storytelling.
You've not even read you utter faggot.
Arguably every event I described is 30k. I don't see how the Beast is any different.
Are they actually going to get to the Beheading? Because that could actually be kind of awesome, although assassins need more fluff that isn't just the "snipe a fly's wings off a star system away" kind of power wank.
No, it was in the thread. Sorry.
I'm not for them surviving or not. I don't think they should have plot armor. I just mentioned several times that the idea of them being secretly replaced by another chapter sounded retarded. I'm sorry you are pissed at my opinion. I'm not sure why you felt it necessary to insult my reading comprehension or infer that I am a homosexual.
/tg/ always a strives to teach me to keep my opinion to myself. Sorry I forgot that lesson again.
Vangorich has gotten such a solid chunk of screentime he's one of the main character of the whole series. There's no way they're not getting to the Beheading. Not to mention he's eventually taken down by three chapters. Two of which we know nothing about (The Halo Brethren and the original Sable Swords) and the third one is the "Imperial Fists"
>I'm sorry you are pissed at my opinion
>Waaah, no one is allowed an opinion on my poorly formed opinion
You're being called a faggot, because you're giving a completely uninformed opinion on a book you've clearly not read.
>/tg/ always a strives to teach me to keep my opinion to myself. Sorry I forgot that lesson again.
Glad to hear it.
>Implying that 'Crons are still fluff relevant
You're just another cataclysmic doomsday race, but you don't have your shit together like Chaos, Nids or Orks. Cursed to always be swept under the carpet as tertiary baddos like Dark Eldar.
They all squat. They're always squatting. It's just their natural posture.
Dude, it's cool. Everything's cool.
I'm personally really excited both about the period that they're covering and the fact that they really put some thought into the whole arc of the story.
Because the chapter was wiped from the history books. The Imperium propaganda machine can't have it known that an entire chapter was removed/renamed just to cover up the loss of the true 1st founding chapter. Even if the only effective differences is that the new one follows the codex and the old one really didn't.
Not the most loved, but the ones believed to be the Future of the Imperial Fists.
He split them into chapters based on their tendencies.
The ones truest to his own beliefs were kept in the IF
The most agressive and zealous were made BT
The rapid assault experts became Soul Drinkers
The most Stubborn and unrelenting defenders that refused to budge even if logic and tactic dictated otherwise became the Excoriators
The greatest duellists and siege-breakers became the Iron Knights
The newest recruits were made into the Crimson fists
The most progressive and forward thinking were made Fists Exemplar.
If it's cool, why the fuck were you such a piece of shit? I was actually sorry for even saying any fucking thing because I am apparently worse than fucking Hitler for it. So no, things are not cool. I'm done. I'm out. Enjoy your story, enjoy your gaming.
>Except the far more likely option is that the Fists Exemplar will take over as the new Imperial Fists
This reminds me of Star Trek when they do a time travel episode and a main character dies but in the end they just replace him with himself from 5 minutes in the future. In the end is it really that much of a big deal?
Sarpedon grew arachnid legs which is a very unique mutation. Maybe a missing Legion had a Spider theme so the Star Spiders led by Stellus Araneae?
I can imagine the Jeremy Kyle show style for Chapters in a Unknown Founding.
>Jermus Kylus: Blood Ravens. Corvus Corax...is not your Primarch!
>Blood Ravens: Oh shit!
>Magnus: It is I, Magnus the Red!
>Blood Ravens: Fucking steal him!
Not much, it just means you'll have progressives doing their best to emulate their stubborn and stolid forbears, in the end making them even more pig-headed than the originals in an effort to compensate.
>Jermus Kylus: Ultramarines. Robute Guilliman...is not your Primarch!
>Ultramarines: This violates the Codex Astartes!
>Jermus Kylus: It is I, Alpharius!
>Ultramarines: No! That's not true! That can't be true!
>Jermus Kylus: Emperor's Children. You are not the Emperor's Children. You are in fact Fulgri...
>Emperor's Children: How does that make any sense?! You just said who we were and said we were not. It makes no sense.
>Emperor's Children: Actually it does *takes of helmet*
>Alpharius-Cocaine and hooker time is over!
>Everyone: Oh bollocks!
Da Waaagh is neva finished, alwayz growin. Youz sound like a humie who tinks he can has enuff dakka.
Can alwayz be more dakka. Can always be more choppy. Can always be redder for faster, bluer for lucker, n' purpler for more sneaky. Youz can always has more Boyz, bigga Nobz, and tastier grotz.
Da Waaagh grows, until itz mobz are Waaaghs dat Waaagh while they're Waaaghing in muh Waaagh like Xzibit is one of muh boyz. And den those Waaaghs grow.
The Raven Guard are unique in the fact that their gene-seed is really, really fucked up. They have to use the gene-stocks from Terra for new recruits (which makes you wonder if they bother harvesting progenoids in the first place). Even the more stable strains of the earlier founds have serious problems, let alone the later foundings.
Well, keep in mind, this is the Eldar. They're not going to commit a massive armed force to fight the Imperium in their capital system one-on-one. They're probably going to try and slip in undetected somehow.
>Then Cypher comes in, casually kills him off, and gets rid of any mystery or doubt we had by going 'oh yeah he's totally Chaos, and I'm here to explain everything and be bestest friends against this threat and even stare down your scariest chaplain.'
Wait, the Legacy of Caliban series ruins the ambiguity of Cypher?
Because, I have to say, if that's the case, it kinda rustles my jimmies. Cypher's ambiguity is a large part of what makes him fun.