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http://www.thenaf.net/
https://fumbbl.com/
http://bbtactics.com/
http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/Bloodbowl.htm

The latest rules, the CRP (aka LRB6):
http://marmeladov.com/BB/LRB6.pdf

/tg/ FUMBBL group, currently in post-season:
https://fumbbl.com/p/group&group=9828&op=view

Cknoor's tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSJ6kwwJv4Nr-Ky1PaFZys50S7zewio1O
http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blood_Bowl

NAF News About GW's Reprint of Blood Bowl:
http://www.thenaf.net/2016/01/new-blood-bowl-miniatures-first-look/
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POLL TIME

http://strawpoll.me/6501165

We'll have a few days of discussion, a week of signups, then /tg/ FUMBBL League II will kick off!
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Starting discussion off, anyone ever play with the old Undead roster that included a Vampire?

Seems like having a player like that would have pretty dramatically changed the play style of the team.
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Is it me or is diving tackle great on linedwarfs? Most teams, if they aren't super bashy, would rather run away than push him away if there's a lot of guard around. They already start with tackle so it's even better. And nobody expects a diving dwarf.
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>>44810238
dive tackle on a player who already comes with tackle? It's probably the strongest passive play skill combo in the game. Even halflings will run out of rerolls.
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Hello there. I generally dont visit /tg/ often, but i really wanted to participate in a comfy league.

Is there any place with a full list of differences between the rules used in cyanide's BBII and fumbbl?

Also, can anyone explain how the fumbbl league works?
When will the next season begin, and when will i be able to submit my team? Could i like just submit it right now or i need ot wait for some specific time when registration is open?

Also, how do people coordinate on their scheduled games? I am in yurop, and on workdays there's only like a 5-hour period when i can play. What happens if my scheduled opponent cant play at those times? Or do people just pick any available opponent during the regular season and scheduling becomes an issue only in playoffs?
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>>44810734
Registration will happen next week.(after sunday) The week after you will be able to play.

You send them a message when you can play and he answers when he can play.

>What happens if my scheduled opponent cant play at those times?
The opponent whose fault it is that the game cannot be played receives a loss.

>Or do people just pick any available opponent during the regular season and scheduling becomes an issue only in playoffs?
It's a swiss style tournament so coaches are seeded with each other.
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>>44810825
I already applied to the group some time ago with my team, is it a fuckup or am i all right?
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>>44810848
why should that be a problem? Just send him a message next week that you want to participate in the comming season.
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>>44810929
and with him I mean mauledbytigers.
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>>44810825
>swiss style tournament

Why is this so trendy among gamer nerds? Is it just their innate fedora powers making them want to find more obscure ways of running competitions?
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>>44811185
epic
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>>44811185
>Swiss style
>Obscure
Nigga, you not knowing something doesnt automatically make it obscure.
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>>44811332
>tips
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>>44811185
>one of the most famous and common tournament formats
>obscure
Great job!
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>>44811382
>used by all of those international sporting competitions
>like
>

It's a nerd format. Blood Bowl works fine (better) in classic knock-out / round robin or Group stage/knockout format. Swiss is just trying too hard.

>thinking the word obscure was used here to describe a low profile rather than to guarantee replies from angry hats.
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>>44811452
>haha I wasn't using obscure the correct way on purpose and you all fell for it!
Great job!
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>>44811452
fuck off
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>>44811495
>>44811501
Please don't shitpost.
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>>44811580
You first fampai
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>>44811604
Now, come on. Disagreeing with someone is fine. If you're not going to put any reasoning into it and just fling insults then you are derailing the thread and kind of admitting defeat at the same time.
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>>44811682
I'm not the one who keeps yelling fedora and nerd though.
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>>44811452
>Blood Bowl works fine (better) in classic knock-out / round robin
yes round robin with 30 teams good idea genius a season would last around 30 weeks. Which is 7 months good luck finding people that will commit to a 7 month season with complete strangers.
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Skink Thighs
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>>44810734

We have quite a few players in your time zone, I'd say it was fairly close to an even split between Europe and Americas for where our players were.
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>>44812024
seasons should be league format; cups should be knockout, or group stage/knockout format. You know - like every sport in the world ever.
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30 Votes for New, 17 Votes for Vet, 5 votes for stunty
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>>44813334
Rigged
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>>44813308
>league format
Are you a retard? There is no such thing as a league format. Most sports uses a round robin and again there is no chance in hell that you will get people to commit to a 7 month season.
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>>44813385
Just give it a rest, he was wrong and now tries to backpedal instead of admitting that.
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>>44813334

That's not even the official poll so it doesn't matter.
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>You will never be a glorious HE catcher
>You will never be the best dressed player on the pitch
>you will never catch the ball while between two amazon blitzers and dodge out to score
>you will never be the best saftey ever and tackle their runner when she tries to break for the end zone on defence
>you will never do this all while with a smug smile and a hearty chuckle
Fuck this gay earth
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Four and twenty saurus came down from Xlanpotec!
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>>44813385
Are you drunk? I just said "league format" in my post. I take it as read that you know how a league works. And yes, it's a round robin.

Your issue is you don't think players would commit to that. I'm saying you're wrong about that. Anyone who plays tabletop is committing to that duration because you can realistically only fit in one or two games a week tops.

With the added convenience of online play, there is no reason it should take that long. And, even if it does, it is still much easier to sustain online than in real life.

Why do you think it works for tabletop yet wouldn't?
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>>44814245

We have already played a season with 26 people. We still had a couple of weeks where some coaches barely got a match together in time for a week deadline due to conflicting schedules, and one case where there was a default.

You are arguing based entirely on supposition. You are also making some pretty generous assumptions on the ability of the average /tg/ goer to commit to such a long period of time when evidence to the contrary exists (see: other /tg/ online game leagues like /tg/ Mordheim, etc. that collapsed after only a month and a half of sustained play).
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Which team is easier to play as, undead or necro?
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>>44814021
Too bad the faggots only have 7AV and are a high-priority target. I dont think any of my HiE catchers ever survived beyond level 5.

Their careers are spectacular, but very short.
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>>44813966
The 'official' poll is shit.
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>>44814377
That's fine, we're basically getting to the bottom of it now. The choice of Swiss is not because of hat tips, it's because the user base is unreliable. Round robin or proper world cup would be much better, but the gamers cannot be trusted to run these tournaments well enough for it be worth the effort of organising.
>>44814384
Undead is more forgiving, necro is more fun. Both can be hard bastards.
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>>44813334
Well, as a newcomer, i would not want to be at disadvantage against veteran teams, but i would also not want the league to be split in two, so "New" seems like the best option to me.
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>>44814724
>disadvantage against veteran teams
if you look at the old teams most of them are under 1200k tv which translates to 1 apo and 3 skills which is not that much of an advantage.
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>>44814402
You don't get them blodge sidestep leap?

Also whats better on them, +ma to go full ninja or +av to let them live
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>>44814874
>1 Apo and 3 skills
[x] doubt
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>>44814883
Who doesn't make getting an apo job one?
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>>44814021
>You will never be a linemen on a High Elf team
>Sure you will be put into some bad situations but you'll still be vauled more than just "line fodder" like the "pro" elf teams
>they even throw you a TD when they can
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>>44814941
Forgot image
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Daily reminder to play Glorious Bretts
Not just because you know they were the best faction in WHFB, but they are the best way to stop whining about lizards
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>>44814954
>tfw no goofy hats to wear.
This makes me want to do a full bb2 helf cosplay.
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>>44815142
Ditto
Lion, Dragon or Phoenix?
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>>44814878
Of course i do, but by that point i am up against teams with plenty of tackle and occasional mighty blow.

Blodge-sidestep are usually the first ones to grab, but i prefer sure feet or jump up to leap.

Jump up is really great because even if someone blitzes the ball carrier, you often just get back up next turn, grab the ball and score it. On a doubles you grab NoS or dump off. One is good if you like putting the catcher near the endzone and waitiong for a pass opportunity, the other if you are are more often getting through with more than 1 guy.

On a 10-roll i usually grab MA, in the long run it makes it more likely the catcher gets a permanent injury or dies, but the MA advantage give you a bigger increase in a chance to win a game.
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>>44814021
>You will never BE tackled by a muscled amazon qt
>memefroge.jpg
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>>44815242
>Jump up is really great because even if someone blitzes the ball carrier
That is a good point

For my Linemen, after wrodge or blodge+guard, whats beter to live? Fend or Side step?
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>>44815157
Dragon all day.
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>>44815246
>muscled
>s3
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If we do a new league, could we do it at a higher TV?
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>>44815479
>str access
also Amazons are cannonically /fit/, even if they are statistically hobgobos.
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>>44815489
Someday i want to do a league where its 1spp per level so we can have proper star teams
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>>44815271
I usually try to have as much variety in the team as possible. If you are playing in an infinite league and intend to play your team for long, it might be a good idea to have 3 wrestle+fend linemen who would start on the line of scrimmage on defense. In general, the players who sustain more blocks than make them are better off with wrestle.

So, maybe 3-4 fends, and the rest grab side step first.
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>>44815510
>/fit/
>s3
>ma6
Canon can say all it likes, they don't got anything to back it up on the field.
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>>44815522
I know wrestle is better for linos, but if I get a dubs and thus guard I'd like them to stand. I get dodge first normally since its never a bad idea on an elf, if they don't get a dubs by lvl 3, its wrestle

Is this bad?
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i challenge you to create the most annoying player in the game.
You may use up to level 7, Any base piece and any rolls.
Be more creative than 'Gutter Runner' or 'Skink'
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>>44815562
Look I just want a qt brown jungle girl with sweet abs who will break my hips durring love and feed me grapes
Is that so wrong?
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>>44815583
Mummy with break tackle, dodge, block, and +mv +mv +str
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>>44815583
Black Orc, Blodge, Sure Hands, +ag +st +st
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>>44815562
Dodge represents a bit of trained agility, rather than an elf who is just inherantly perfect in all ways
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>>44815577
>if they don't get a dubs by lvl 3, its wrestle
That's a good approach.

If its turn 1 and im on defense, i'd probably put my guard players in a safe position, not next to the opposing team. Then move them in depending on which flank my opponent is more likely to try and getting through.
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>>44815583
kind of vague - no parameters whatsoever? Up to lvl, only rolling normals would be interesting.

We're gonna end up with a load of stat increases otherwise: Saurus with block, dodge, sure hands, +av, +av, +st.

Wardancer with +st, +st, +ag, +ma, nerves of steel, strip ball
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>>44815583
Gobbo with +ma +ma
Oh wait
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>>44815899
*lvl5, that should say
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>>44815899
also, it should say +ag, +ag, not av.

I'm not even drunk.
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>>44815583
Chaos Warrior with Blodge +st +st Break Tackle Sure Hands
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Do you have any advice for SPP management on Skaven if I'm interested in reaching top 5 in the qualifier league? I do quite well actually playing Skaven in the perpetual league, but I haven't really had to concern myself with optimization and efficiently distributing levels.

I understand it's important to level your non-GRs. Should I prioritize getting a linerat 2 tds in the first game for the quick kick? How should I value leveling linerats in comparison to blitzers? Is a thrower worth it for 20 games, or should I just relegate a GR to ball duty? How deep of a bench should I keep?

Am I a bad enough dude to take a rat ogre?
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>>44816812
Thrower lets you rat bs more
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My dorf team just matched against a 400+ higher tv chaos team in my 6th match and won! It could have been 2-0 but the fucking blitzer dropped 2 hand offs with rerolls. Why is chaos a shit? Why are dorfs the best?
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>>44815615
iktf
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>>44817115
>Why is chaos a shit?
Because it's a noob trap for edgy people that picked them because they heard they kill stuff
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Threadly reminder to join the /tg/ blood bowl 2 group.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/tgbloodbowl2
There is also a league called /tg/ Fumbbl Rejects
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have you ever played bloodbowl high? how did that go?
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>>44810734
>Could i like just submit it right now
Yes, you can apply immediately. The league organizer will have to approve your inclusion, so a message might also help.

>What happens if my scheduled opponent cant play at those times?
Couple of points:
-FUMBBL doesn't "drop" matches. If you disconnect during a match you can simply resume where you left off. It's quite possible to play in an almost PbEM format where players play in whatever short chunks they can afford. It's a pain to do but it's an option.
-You can concede the match - let the league organizer know.

Personally if you feel your schedule doesn't allow you to commit to the tournament, don't commit. It sucks, but sometimes if you don't have the free time you don't have the free time.

>>44811185
Swiss is chosen just for the logistical ease rather than any innate superiority.
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>>44818620
I accepted the ticket requests to /tg/ Fumbbl Rejects team so if you have applied before check it out. My apologies for being late, being the noob i am, i thought i would receive a warning or something if someone applied to my league.
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If people are still shooting ideas around... New teams can play up to four Preseason Games to catch up with veterans of the league. Would that work?
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>>44818621
I have played it steaming drunk. Surprisingly it didn't go very well.
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Please Nuffle, make the next /tg/ league start soon.
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>tfw you do something so stupid you feel you need to auto concede
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>>44825089
>3 die block
>Skull Pow Pow
>Accidentally click skull
>Alt f4
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>>44825089
>>44825216
I clicked "both down" with a lineman thinking it was a blitzer
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Theorycraft a new Blood Bowl Team
Go!
Posting mine
0/16 Treeman MA 2 ST 5 Agi 1 AV 10 Take Root Mighty Blow Stand Firm 60k
0/2 Treeman Runner MA 5 ST 3 Agi 3 AV 8 Take Root Pro Mighty Blow Stand Firm Long Legs Extra Arms Sprint 100k
0/2 Treeman Blitzer MA 4 ST 5 Agi 1 Av 10 Take Root Mighty Blow Stand Firm Block Pro 120k
0/1 Elder Treeman MA 2 ST 7 Agi 1 AV 10 Guard Take Root Mighty Blow Stand Firm Thick Skull Multiblock Pro 150k
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>>44826095
I bet you think that's balanced
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>>44826198
it aint meant to be balanced anon
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>>44826266
That's nice. Is it also not meant to be shit? Cos if it is, its failed at that task
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>>44826551
iunno anon, your face isn't meant to be shit but it failed that task too
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Rolled 4 (1d6)

GFI
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>>44826095

Beastmen Team!

0/16 Ungor MA 6 ST 3 AGI 2 AV 7 40k G/ASPM
0/6 Bestigor MA 6 ST 3 AGI 3 AV 8 60k Horns GSM/AP
0/2 Centigor MA 7 ST 3 AG 3 AV 8 Horns, Block, Sprint, Sure Feet 120k GSM/AP
0/1 Minotaur MA 5 ST 5 AG 2 AV 8 Loner, Frenzy, Horns, Mighty Blow, Thick Skull, Wild Animal 150k SM/GAP

Not sure, not a lot going on to make you want to pick them over vanilla Chaos besides more disposable Linemen and the super mobile Centigors.
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Newbie here. I tried all races a little (except chaos there are too many already). Gonna start with orkz. Any tips? Should I play it like dorfs, chilling and not going for the ball unless the fucks up?
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>>44830883

A little more aggressive than Dorfs, but yea you aren't going to be trying to pick up the ball every time.

Sit dudes on it, try and punch people around until you've got breathing room, then pick up the ball and cage-march it to the touchdown.
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>>44830462
Slaanesh Cult

0/16 Cultists 6337 G/SAPM 40k
0/2 Slaanesh Warriors 6438 GSA/PM 110k
0/2 Deamonettes 7347 GA/SPM Claw Animosity Regeneration 90k
0/1 Keeper of Secrets 6528 S/GAPM Loner, Bonehead, Frenzy, Claw, Foul Appearance, Disturbing Presence Regeneration 170k
Re-rolls 60k

Can't tell if this is too conservative or too wild
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>>44832894
Keepers of secrets are too intelligent and agile to be your bog-standard dumb big guy, but I don't know how you'd go about representing an agility based big-guy.

I'd replace 'bonehead' with some near-identical negatrait, but just rename it "capricious" or something.

She should also start with multiblock rather than claw, I think because I seem to remember KoSs having tons of arms with slashing blades.
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>>44832894
Bonehead should be WA, all the frenzy big guys are WA
for something you'll have no less than 6 of, cultist seem really meh
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>>44833030
Sure. I just settled on bone-head on the idea that its not actually stupid, but just decided to stop playing bloodbowl for a while. And its simplest to just work within the rules and say it has bonehead.

Multiblock sounds cool, but multiblock is also atrocious, so there's that. Probably should give the thing break tackle.
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>>44833049
Maybe four warriors wouldn't be imbalanced. I'm actually wishing I had a league to play in so I could try these dumb rules now.
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>>44833117
Would match cornflakes that way, they have 0/1 0/4 0/2 positionals
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>>44833117
You might be able to soon on FUMBBL and you won't need to even homebrew the rosters as many people have already come up with tons of roster ideas for various WHFB factions:

https://fumbbl.com/help:SecretLeague
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LIZARDMEN
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>>44832894
Drop regen from Daemonettes, they're in the Witch Elf glass cannon class imo.

Mutation access on normals seems like a more fitting idea, at the very least on the demons.

Keeper should get Hypno Gaze and Agility access imo, dropping Disturbing Presence (which is more of a Nurgle power).

Slaanesh should play more like the most agile of the Chaos teams, with Claw being a good representation of their Armour Piercing abilities.
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>>44833312
Both disturbing presence and foul appearanve are good for both nurgle and slaanesh. Disturbing presence can represent the perfumes and pheromones which are part of slaanesh
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Help my stormvermin refuse to get doubles while my rogre got block after his second game
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>>44834385
Recycle blitzer

Seriously the only purpose of storm vermin is for one to get guard and the other to get claw pomb. Or both to get guard claw pomb if you can. They exist for player removal because otherwise gutter runners are much better players and should be doing all your blitzes.

also
>rat ogre
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>>44834510
>not having a 5 STR block piece that kills dodging elves just by standing there
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>>44834616
>wasting your blitz on a rat ogre
>thinking that prehensile tale bothers elves (oh no I have a human dodge rate what shall I ever do)
>giving up 150K(actually 180K) when it would be more advantageous to get a wizard as skaven
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>>44834648
>not understanding what standing there means
>thinking 3+ dodging is safe
>wasting 150k on a 1(or some les than 4)
>thinking it's actually better than a beat magnet that distracts your enemies and even hurts some of them
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>>44834648
>being a filthy no fun allowed tryhard with a calculator
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>>44834854
>wild animal is fun

>>44834851
3+ with dodge is 89% I play humans. I 3+ dodge all the fucking time. Also it's a wild animal so only 8 av and you can just knock him over and back off and he can't get up. Whereas a wizard will scare your opponent into not caging.
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>>44834969
>big guys aren't fun
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>>44834983
Orges, mummies, and beasts of nurgle are fun. Any player with wild animal is not fun.
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>>44834969
>his rat ogre doesn't have tackle
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>>44835281
>rolling multiple dubs on a wild animal
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My stormvermin with mighty blow and claw got -agi injury. Should I send him to the glue factory? The other one has tackle, guard and mighty blow.
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>>44838229

If you have the cash to replace him immediately, yep.
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>>44838229
depends on the league your teams play in
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>>44838229
-AG isn't a complete deal breaker on a piece you're using to smash things anyway - it doesn't disrupt his primary function like -ST does. He won't be dodging away if marked, but you probably want to hit things anyway (like the guy marking you).

If you're playing perpetual it's probably best to start on the next stormvermin ASAP but then again nothing matters in perpetual. In a league... probably depends on how much time is left in the season. You might be better just toughing it out; as he's already got Claw and MB.
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>>44830883
Play lizardmen and get free wins
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I have Blood Bowl 1 on Steam, I got it for free.

I haven't really played but I was thinkinf of getting into it. Or should I just buy BB2?
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>>44840827

Just regular BB1 or Chaos Edition?

Either way, try out BB1 and see what you think. BB2 is the same game but prettier, but if you've got Chaos Edition, BB2 will have a LOT less teams to choose from by comparison.
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>>44840827
BB2 is shit, don't get it

If you really want it wait for a GOTY edition with more teams
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>>44840901

Ahhh... 'Legendary Edition' it says
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>>44840901
BB1 has MUCH worse ui compared to bb2
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Hello chaps.

Righty, how does this sound?

There will be two leagues next season. /tg/ League II, and /tg/ League II Rookies

The criteria for entry to /tg/ League II Rookies are:

>ANY coach, NEW or RETURNING, may start a NEW team

The criteria for entry to /tg/ League II are:

>ANY coach with can enter, with either a RETURNING team from /tg/ League I or a NEW team if they wish for a real challenge

After a 6-game Swiss tournament in both leagues, the top 6 teams from the main league, and top 2 from the rookies will play-off for the overall Championship.
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>>44842220
Sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure you'll have balanced numbers of teams in both leagues.
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>>44842220

So that pretty much bars the idea of coaches entering in both if we're going to have a mixed Championship?
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>>44842220
>have submitted 3 teams to the league
>not have been accepted
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>>44842555
I'd still want to join the rookie league with a team I'd play just for fun and throw it away after a season while tryharding with my actual team.
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>>44842220
Mixed championship would mean coaches would have to pick one or the other, rather than running a team in both.

If you had completely split leagues with completely split championships then population is less of an issue, as veteran coaches can always start another TV1000 team. Still, I'm willing to try it.
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>>44842558

I think he wants to finalize the league structure so he knows who to put in what before accepting the applying teams.
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>>44842220

I'm okay with this. I think letting people joing both leagues will eventually just result in a big hassle.I like that the play-offs are connected, but maybe it should be a 4-4 split between the leagues instead?
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Ok, so a couple things:

Just won me a game as WE.

Got a Catcher with Sure Feet, NoS, and Sprint who just picked up another level. Assuming I don't roll doubles, do I buy him Block, or is there something more interesting to be done?

My kicker with no other skills just picked up a level as well. Dodge, or is there another skill to throw on him?

Also, I've got two dead players, and just rolled a 6 for winnings to bring me to 14k. Thing is, I've only got two rerolls right now. Do I buy two new linemen, or do I buy the reroll and live with the Journeymen?
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>>44843939
Block is always good on everything
Buy a reroll so it can be wasted on loners assuming you have an apo
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>>44815133
How do you play as Bretts though? I really wanna play as Bretts but the team looks weird. How do you build blitzers? Only Pass / general access seems stupid.
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>>44843939

The catcher wants block to help him stay up, dodge is good for the lineman, or wrestle if you don't have anyone else with it.

What positionals do you have? I wouldn't buy new linemen, but a treeman helps a lot to protect from further injuries.
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>>44844051
Bltzers are, despite the name, your ball carriers.

One variant I had a fuckload of fun doing was to take NoS on all of the Blitzers, then put dump off on one or two of them.

Now you've got a running team that can pass the ball even in the middle of a scrim, and can make for some really weird running plays because you're so hard to cover.

Add to the fact that Blockers picking up Fend + Guard and Linemen picking up wrestle, and you've got a team that's quite handy defensively and can make the holes your blitzers need offensively.

Wrestle and Fend on everything makes you hilariously hard to make any headway against, and Dwarf teams basically straight up lose to you unless they can move the ball some other way. And the NoS Dump Off trick means that even if they make a hole to blitz your blitzers, odds are they're not going to actually get the ball away from you.
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>>44844088
Two War Dancers(one brand new after another died, one a fucking monster with +MA, +AG and Side Step) along with a Thrower with Accurate and Strong Arm.

Three other linemen have picked up dodge, plus the kicker.

I wasn't sure about a Treeman, I just feel like he's going to cost me turnovers, and I've already got the team on the long pass track, so picking up a brand new big guy who limits my mobility seems a little foolish.
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>>44844221

He's not really there to hurt the opposition, he's there to take hits. Basically it's one less elf getting blocked each time you kick.

He's mostly good for the long run, since he cuts down on attrition. If there's play-offs coming up soon I might skip him, otherwise he's a good bet.

How many catcher do you have? If you only have the one I'd probably buy a catcher and turn him into a secondary ballhawk, with Wrestle and Tackle. If you have two catchers already and you don't want the tree you should but the re-roll.
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>>44844143
I just played my second game with Bretts and got my 4th Blitzer.
I am thinking about building one as the dedicated ball carrier with Sure hands, Dump off etc.
Should I give one frenzy and the rest tackle as first skills?
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>>44844356
Only the one Catcher so far, I spent the early life of the team recovering from a spat of injuries.
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>>44844383

See, that's where the tree is good, because he cuts down on those injuries. How good he is depends a lot on the league you're in though, the more bash the more he'll do for you.
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>>44844372
One wants Leader, it's 10 TV for a free reroll.

I don't know if I like them with Tackle. I rarely use them to mark players, since they like to either be blitzing bigger threats or they like to be clustered together to make dump off that much more effective. I can see the benefit, but I'd rather it be on my blockers.

Frenzy works very well on one of them, makes them real threats for crowdsurfing and even better at opening those running holes.

If you can manage a double on a blocker, they make acceptable blitzers for grabbing the ball. If you roll doubles on any others, Jump Up makes them rather hilarious combined with Wrestle.

Fend is another skill that goes super well on any of your positionals, since the more Fend you've got, the better Fend gets.
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>>44844442
Kind of balanced, I guess. Got Humans > High Elves > Bye > Dark Elves > Dwarves > Orcs for the rest of the league games.
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>>44844641

Tree isn't high priority in that case, getting one before facing the dwarves would be really nice though.

I'd probably get the Re-Roll and then the tree once you've faced the Dark Elves. Then get a catcher the next time you have the money.
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>Pitch invasion
>My whole fucking team is stunned
>Against a faggot playing an elf team

And I am always glad there is a concede button
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>>44844051
Bretts are just better humans
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>>44845461
I wouldn't say so. They lack a thrower to make the longer passes, and they only like to fight defensively, rather than offensively. Plus they can't use their linemen nearly as well for anything other than bogging down the other team.
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>>44845429
exclusive doax3 preview

what's the source though
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>>44847156
not enough DP, sell 0/6 catcher and 1/6 thrower and buy more dp lino,
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i played 3 turns of halfling to see what the big deal was.
5 of my 11 fielded players were KOd in the first turn and every time i threw a halfling he was stunned or KOd.
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>>44848333
So you had a pretty good game then, eh?
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>>44844579
After a bunch of concedes, i leveled up all my blitzers. I have 1 mighty blow, 1 frenzy, 1 sure hands and 1 strip ball. What next senpai?
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>>44850430
Like I said, Nerves of Steel is great on all of them. It lets you make easy short passes in the middle of the fight, so they have to cover all your Blitzers to keep you from breaking away with the ball.
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nCaFjXmmr8
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>>44850957

Is that our Foulable Skink Thighs?
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>>44851011

No he was MA 10.
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got a dark elf lineman with a skill up, should i give him kick?
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>>44851487
Are dark elves fast enough to use kick?
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>>44851515
ma7 blitzers, and i have one with ma8, as well as a blodge runner whos got ma7
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Is kick worth it on Undead, Necro, or Nurgle? Do they have too many positionals to let a lineman off the line on defense? Are they fast enough to take advantage of a kick?
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>>44851585

Kick is always worth it.

Zombies and Rotters aren't worth getting very many skills on to begin with, I think the only time I'd turn down taking Kick right away is if one managed to get a double for Guard.
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>>44840827
mmm it seems like you have the outdated version of the game. play it offline and see if it interests you, since you are on /tg/ i am guessing you have the attention span to red the rulebook, so do that, since BB1 is not very easy to pick up if you don't.
After a trial time i would upgrade to caos edition or play on fumbbl, no reason to get BB2 if you have complete versions of the game
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>>44851552
i don't think he needed that answer, he was pointing out the answer is obviously yes
>>44851585
necro definitely,undead maybe, nurgle not really.Remember kick is always good on everyone, but you need that speed to make it really worth it,i usually consider good kickers humans and faster teams,but that might be wrong, i am no pro.
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>>44842220
i would be ok with this, do both leagues' teams apply to the same fumbbl group?
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>>44852223

Yep, Mauled will probably end up sending a message out on Fumbbl after he's added the applicants to find out who will be joining which tournament.
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>play on fumbbl
>high elf tem
>he leaves the ball open and has horrible luck on top of it
>wastes his rerolls on eot dodges
>take the ball and go for td
>he loses 2 people to injuries and one surfed
>goes mad, keeps whining in chat and fouls my lino to death(got another elf banned for that)
>i stall and we are 1 0 at the end of his drive
>keeps whining and making fouls
>he gets his catcher and a lino killed
>towards the end write i am sorry about the game after fouling him because i hate qwhiny faggots and those who randomly foul my guys even more
>whines because i fouled him and demands i never play with him again
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>>44852332

Did he have really bad English?

Complain about how you are lucky with every roll and he is unlucky with every roll?

Give the impression of being French?
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>>44852332
On a related note. Is fumbbl a better place to git gud than bb2? Fumbbl looks like everyone has playing for gorillion years gonna hand my ass to me while watching public humiliation porn at the same.
Also the games seem to take forever.
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>>44852473
people on fumbbl are better, this doesn't mean it's necessarily a better place to become better, but it's definitely where you want to be if BB2 seems too easy for you(i have 9 wins and 15 losses on fumbbl and yet i manage to have several undefeated BB2 teams,just understand how different the level is). You shouldn't be afraid of fumbbl really, you will find noobs too and it's easy and fast to get good at blood bowl since it's turn based
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>>44852332
guys seriously what is going on with fumbbl?it's the third game in a row i see a retarded whiner/conceder.The "perks of a larger community" are reaching fumbbl it seems.
God i hate when games become mainstream
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>>44845429
Pitch invasion is such bullshit and it should honestly be removed.
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>>44852598
I have a similar position. I generally lose or tie but desu there were few games where i did real good. Most of the time it seems like i win because the opponent sux. Will i ever git gud?
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>>44842220
I like it. But judging from how the championship is made, you can only have a single team overall.
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>>44842220
I'm fucking down diggity down.

Get the sign ups happening.
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Hey guys, I'm not sure if you've seen this yet, but this has some information on the upcoming Blood Bowl product:

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/01/gw-adeptus-titanicus-latest.html

The Bloodbowl highlight from this article:

>The other impression I got, was that at least for blood bowl, The initial boxed set will be created like a GW studio product. Plastic teams and such. And then all the support products will be Resin. In the same way, there is now a HH boxed game produced by the studio.

I thought I would let you guys know, it looks promising, what with the picture shown from the last event.
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How does Guid Ball compare to Blood Bowl?
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>>44854901
Didn't read guildball yet,but i hear it feels more like a skirmish wargame than blood bowl
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>>44853057
No. Things like pitch invasion are there to remind you that you are playing a game of random dice and you can never afford to become too complacent, nor put too much value in your triumphs.

My worst pitch invasion experience came on turn 14 after a really close fought match. My opponent had just taken a 2-1 lead and was kicking off to my chaos dwarfs. Suddenly, pitch invasion. All bar one of his team goes down stunned. Ball touches back. I hand it to a hobgoblin, who saunters upfield for an easy score to tie the game.

I have never felt worse.
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>>44854987
Why not giving it to a centaur?
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>>44854944
sounds right.

There models are different. it keep to the guild theme pretty well so you don't just get the usual run of the mill humans, elf ork act.
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>>44855258
I have the rules and it looks ok. My problem is that it's all named characters so you can't create 'your' team like you can in blood bowl.
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>>44855376
Yeah i've give you that, there's a lot less customisation allowed. It's just play this team of six, go play. which i'm fine with but does limit player options.

not trying to convert any one but worth looking at.
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don't people just play this game on vidya lol
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>>44855115
One was out, other was on the floor from the pitch invasion.
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>>44855521
the vidya is alright but after a while its flaws come through

and fumbbl iscomfy as well as better
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>>44855960
fumbbl is goofy and 2D is no fun unless you only derive joy from blood bowl through probability sums and teamsheet accountancy.
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>>44856017

>goofy and 2D

>these are bad things now
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>>44856017
>only playing for "dem grafics lulz"
>not playing to enjoy the salt in every game, be it you or them
>not liking a game for its core mechanic

I don't think BB is the game for you, Anon.
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>>44856854
You call well painted and converted miniatures "grafics lulz" now?

I don't think /tg/ is the board for you, Anon.
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>>44856876
>You call well painted and converted miniatures
and that is where in Blood Bowl 2?
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>>44856984
...who said anything about bloodbowl 2?
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>>44857000

You do realize the chain you're replying to is comparing FUMBBL to the vidya, right?
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>>44857027
>>44857027
yes and I want to see those well painted and converted miniatures in bb2
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>>44857027
Actually, if you read it, it's clearly not. Someone asked "is this not just a /v/ game now?" BB2 got criticism, Fumbbl got blowjobbed, fumbbl got criticized, fumbbl blowjobber got irate, tabletop got blowjobbed.

If you need any help or supervision reading any other threads today, just gimme a shout.
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>>44855521
>implying fumbbl doesn't have the best sound effects.
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>>44858676

BA-EHNG

SPLAT
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>>44858676
I love the Bucket sound
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>>44856876
Am sorry, but it seemed that you refered to ye olde "BB2 or FUMBBL" question which pops up all the times.

Also, tabletop BB would be fun if there were more groups around here (yuropoor here). But at least there are some guys who can hook up a game or 2 around in my area.

Anyone having experience with tournaments in BB Tabletop? If so, how did those go? Recommendations?
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WHEN YOUR DUDE
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>>44860525
I recently discovered there is actually a community for blood bowl here in italy , which is usually bad when it comes to /tg/, so it might be where you live too. Try looking for forums
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>>44860630
>all them 6s
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Hey guys, I have updated the pitch template for the /tg/ FUMBBL League again, and I have posted the ones I finished at http://imgur.com/a/BzEqA. If you guys have any color requests, please tell me them and tell me the hexadecimal of the colors if possible.
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>Opponent makes cage
>Put guys 2x2 in front of it
>Cage nullified

Why do people make cages?
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>>44860630

GFIs are the devil
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Finally done with my masterpiece upgraded and ready for season 2
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>>44861216
You fell for my trap i am going to base and bash the fuck out of you until you don't have enough people to stop the ball
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>>44861216
>someone else screens me
>proceed to pomb, dp, and mark all the players
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New leagues when?
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is there a way to play fumbbl against a computer or something? I'd like to play it, but I want to get used to the controls and stuff. I also only know the bare bones of Blood Bowl rules, so I'd like to play a bunch of practice matches and stuff.
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Do you hear the fans sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the fans
Who will not be bored again!
When the beating of players
Echoes the beating of the eardrums
There is a game about to start
When the kick-off comes.

Black Orc:
Will you join in our match?
Who will be strong and stand with me?
Beyond the cage
Is there a touchdown you long to see?

Then join in the fight
And play for the right to punch the referee.

All:
Do you hear the fans sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the fans
Who will not be bored again!
When the beating of players
Echoes the beating of the eardrums
There is a game about to start
When the kick-off comes.

Woodelf:
Will you give all you can give
So that our pig bladder may advance
Some will fall and some will live
Will you stand up and take your chance?
The blood of the players
Will water the roots of grass!

All:
Do you hear the fans sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of the fans
Who will not be bored again!
When the beating of players
Echoes the beating of the eardrums
There is a game about to start
When the kick-off comes.
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>>44861603
why no just play against someone from here?
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>>44861603
https://fumbbl.com/help:Test+mode
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>>44861611

Is this Les Miserables?
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>Pitch invasion yesterday, whole team stunned
>Get salty and stop playing
>First game today, pitch invasion
>Majority of my team and 2 of his guys stunned

Why did I spend money on this shit
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>>44862268
yes
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Aspiring knight coach here. I got dubs on a blocker who already has guard. Should I get Jump up? Also considering diving tackle or dodge.
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>>44863172
Jump up is pretty good.
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>>44861611
vocaroo fucking when?
but Look Down was better song overall
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>>44862778
Get more fan factor nerd
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Right then.

SIGNUPS for /tg/ League II are OPEN

Ensure your team meets the criteria set out in >>44842220

https://fumbbl.com/p/group&group=9828&op=view

Apply to the Group on FUMBBL with your [L] Team, and PM me (MauledByTheTigers) stating your team name and which league you wish to join. I've wiped a couple of applications from teams with games played or multiple applications. I will reply with whether you got everything right or not.

This means you can only apply with ONE team to join either /tg/ League II or the Rookies. Choose wisely whether you want to be a Rookie or not.

If you're "abandoning" a /tg/ League I team to start a new team, don't worry, they may play again one day, just don't have any non-/tg/ League games in the meantime with them.

Applications will be open for a week.

From the very nice amount of feedback I've got, we have the numbers for this. If somehow we do not, then there will be a rethink at the end of the week.

Any questions, go ahead.
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>>44863668
Look down, look down, and see the wardancer at your feet
Look down and show some mercy if you can
Look down and see your shoes with cleats
Look down, look down,Upon your fellow man!

Goblin Gavroche:
How do you do? My name's Gavroche
These are my people, here's my tricot
Not much to look at, nothing posh
Nothing that you'd call up to scratch
This is my team, my high society
Here on the astrogranite of this pitch
We live from day to day without piety
Kicking in their teeth, but what the hell!
Think you're alive?
Think you will survive?
Stomp on them, Stomp on them!

Look down, and show some mercy if you can
Look down, look down, upon your fellow man
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How do you win against dark elves? It's like they playing against agi4 humans. If I try to cover the cage they just pass and vice versa.
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Necro or undead?
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>>44864278

Really fucking minor, but the 1st placed team in the Rookies will be seeded 4th in the play-offs, whilst the 2nd placed team in the Rookies will take the 8th seed.
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daily reminder that nobody is op but it sure sucks rolling 1s
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>>44864446
hit the witch elf until they concede
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>>44864774
>lizardmen aren't OP
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Turns out the trick to beating brets is fouling their +str piece
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>>44860630
On the pitch, where nuffle's king

When player's whine

we say

when your dude gfis
and he falls down and dies
that's bloodbowl

when the crowd's cheering lulls
as you roll double skulls
that's bloodbowl

snake eyes roll
ting a ling a ling
ting a ling a ling
and you'll scream mother fucker


bloodbowl spray
tippy tippy tay
tippy tippy tay
trust us there's no sucker

when your face is a scowl
as you're turn 16 fouled
that's bloodbowl

your starplayer's head splits
from a weak snotling's blitz
you will rage

intercepted by a kroxigor you lose all control

so we say
well my friend
see the pain never ends
that's bloodbowl
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Someone on reddit asked if this was too much mighty blow

That's like asking if you can have too much ass
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>>44860525
I know two guys who play their own 16 team tourney every year.

They each paint a new 16 player team every year and bring 7 old teams

They do every tourney in the book, spike mag, chaos cup, and of course BLOOD BOWL WOOOOOO
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>>44865862
>not even every piece has mighty blow

Reddit is retarded
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>>44865862
>too much mighty blow
>laughing dwarves.jpg
If dwarf count = mighty blow - runner count than;
return"enough";
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>>44865972
That is incorrect. A dorf team should have 12 players. 12 guard, and 12 mighty blow
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What part of the old rules encouraged teams to have 16 players?
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Are there any decent blood bowl youtubers or streamers besides cknoor?
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>>44867922
nope
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>>44867922
The_Sage and Jimmy Fantastic both have teams in the top 10 of all teams in the CV league

There is also sheepdog, but all he does is bitch about his luck all the time and I cannot fucking stand him.
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>>44867922
Theres plenty of good streamers to WATCH, to learn from less so.
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>Try out realtime mode in bb1
>25 players off pitch after first drive
>COmplete clusterfuck
>injurys everywhere
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>>44868011
Thanks, I'll check them out. I hope they are not uber tryhard sperglords.
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>>44869057
chaos bowl is awesome
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>Be halfling
>Have so much money left over you start out with 5-6 fanfactor
>mfw pitch invasion doesn't mean shit
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witches should wear more armor
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>>44861216
Cages trade mobility for absolute safety for the ball carrier. They're meant to buy you time while you probe for an opening in the defence. That being said, you're definitely correct in that new players often cage unnecessarily, especially with mobile teams - there are many times when all that is needed is a loose screen.
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>>44864446
With DE especially you cannot get suckered into trying to invest too many resources in dealing with the cage, since handoffs and passes are easy and dump-off keeps the ball in play. Keep in mind though that unlike other elves DE linemen cannot outrun MA6 (which tends to be "average" movement), and Blitzers tend to want to be in the thick of the action despite being MA7, which means DE will almost always be in movement range to mark and/or blitz (unlike say Pro or WE who can keep away all day).

Remember the rule of 6 - since every 1 is a turnover you want to try and force at least 6 turnover-causing rolls every one or two turn (usually dodges) and slowly grind down the DE player's RRs. Yes, it's frustrating to close in and then watch the ball get dumped-off/quick-passed to another player, but so long as you don't overcommit you will eventually force a turnover.
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>>44873287
>unlike other elves DE linemen cannot outrun MA6
You mean like any other elf linemen except WE
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>he plays elves
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>two turns in a row my first move is snake eyes on a dodge
I didn't want to play the game anyway
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>>44874807
>first move is a dodge
Found the problem. Were you really forced to start like that?
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>>44875533
My opponent would be doing something wrong if he wasn't basing me every turn.
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>>44875541
You generally can't base everything,didn't you have any possible blocks? Any people to move into better position? It sounds pretty strange
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>>44876017
What is strange about being 6v10 and starting from the easiest roll? Come on, the post was about 4 ones in a row, it doesn't matter what I did.
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>>44876036
Well if you were down some players it's normal, i was just wondering if the dodges really were the easiest roll you had, the thing i referred to as strange was having dodging as the safest possible move,which is strange in a 11 vs 11 situation
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>>44876128
Assumptions.
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>>44876145
I never assumed anything, all my posts were questions
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save me
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>>44872265
they should wear less imo
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>>44878200
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcdYBh3hgg
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Just played a game of BB2.

had a Turn 4 concede against a team called Don't Quit FC because of a 3+ dodge fail against my Woodies.

I was very amused to say the least
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Goddamn, it is so infuriating playing against mindless bash and losing.

>Play against a clear tryhard chaos player with my shiny elves
>He has not yet gotten to high TV, so only has block on all his warriors, one POMBClaw beastman, with the rest being lvl2-3.
>Decides to attack first
>Kick-off event is Get The Ref
>Pummels the shit out of my team, shamelessly fouling thanks to the free bribe. I suffer 3 injuries+KO, but dont let him score.
>2nd half, it starts fucking snowing
>Can't make long passes, and my blitzers on catch duty die to the POMBClaw who gets an armor break every single time
>Lose the ball by turn 13, but the guy is outta RRs.
>On turn 16 he can score but needs to dodge, pass the ball to the chaos warrior, then have the warrior hand it off to another beastman.
>Rolls 4-5-6-5, ending the game in 1-0.

Maybe i should have hit that assassin pestigor with lightning instead of wasting it in 2nd half on a fireball that hit 6 targets, only succeeding against 2, and only getting 1 stun.
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>>44879341
nah you would've rolled a 1 on your lbolt anyways
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>>44879341
>tryhard chaos player
I hate people like you. What is he supposed to do? Trying to lose?
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>>44879729
throw goblins.....wait a tick
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>>44879729
>>44879341
It seems like you got unlucky with the rolls but the the problem is not the chaos or bash / fouling.
It's the shitty players who lost 50 games
but still got to 2500 TV and now you have to play against them at 1300-1500 TV (assuming bb2).
I got so many match ups like that with my skaven and even if you win, you get less spp and possibly have to use the money to replace your players.
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Well, less than 24 hours on the clock and we *technically* already have enough signups to run both leagues. The more the merrier of course!

If you've applied but haven't received an ACCEPTED PM, PM me again please.
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>>44880030
matchmaking has nothing to do with the amount of games lost or won in bb2.

If you search for matchmaking the first 30 seconds the game will try to find a team with tv around your team. Afterwards you will get whatever team also searches.
If you don't like high tv differences in matches just stop searching after 30 seconds and search again.
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>>44880483
oh shit when does sign up end?
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>>44880959

Monday night next week.
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>>44880959

I think he planned for a week of sign ups.

>>44880483

Mauled, I see you modified the championship cup. Did you see the leader shield by the same guy already?
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>>44881021
so do I just PM you with the name of the team I want to apply with?
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>>44881033

Pizzapocalypse is the guy, don't worry he's been in contact with me, some very neat stuff in the pipeline.

>>44881062
see
>>44842220
>>44864278
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>>44881128

I'll put it on my team bio then, unless someone objects.
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turn one, block one, chaos warrior is ko'd

doesn't wake up for the whole game

feels bad man
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>>44815562

Their skill selection says otherwise.
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amazons are fit in the likes of the uk style

where fit = sexy
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>>44881520
>only blitzers have s access

so, they're not a fit team? good to know
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>>44880699
I didn't know about the 30 seconds thing. Are you sure about that?
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>>44881951
I'm not, but I'm not that anon
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>>44881951
Yea the longer you spin the more likely you will play TV 3000 murder chaos. If you ever find yourself doing that take bribes wizard and maybe a star player and foul his guys. Anyone with TV 3000 is a massive bitch and will give up once you use up his apo
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Anyone else wish that Blood Bowl had stuck more to the teams having actual uniforms?

I look at >>44810410 and can't help but feel that looks like a team, while the vast majority of Blood Bowl teams just seem to be wearing their fantasy war equipment.
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>>44882134
Like stick everyone in the same, but different colored unis regardless of race (with some slight modification for position and things like that?)
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>>44882190

Nah, like each race (or even specific team) can still have their own "style" of kit ... just something that actually looks like a kit rather than looking like they just got copy pasted from a warhammer battlefield.
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>>44882118
Ok, I just had match with my 1300 Brets team against a 2200 or something welfs.

I am pretty sure it was shorter than 30 secs.

Anyways how do you stop wood elves from scoring?
I marked all his players in scoring position with 2 guys and he still got the passed and dodged to score.

Am I supposed to resign to the fact they can score any time and rely on clock management? Or is my defensive setup etc. a shit?
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>>44884156
clock management and killing all of the elves
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I wanna enter the /tg/ fumbbl tournament but I have some time considerations.
Can anyone tell me what sort of time commitment I have to make? Like few hours each week?
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>>44881128

He just modified the cup, or he made it in the first place?
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>>44884156
>Anyways how do you stop wood elves from scoring?
you don't.
you force them to score early by threatening injuries and then do a 2-1 grind
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>>44884230
And hour and a half at maximum each week.
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>>44884230
two hours a week. Around half an hour scheduling the time and an hour and half playing.

and if you want around 6 hours watching other coaches play.
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>>44884230

Most games can be finished in 50-80 minutes.

You aren't expected to be able to do more than one match a week, though the next round starts automatically once all matches have been completed, so you can assume the deadline starts a week from that time.
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>>44884326
Hit send too early.

I work full time, study science at uni and have 2 kids, if I have time, anyone does
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>>44884363
>have two kids

you done fucked up

on the upside your family is enough for a decent RR bb tourney
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>>44884392
There are days I feel that way believe me. I have started teaching my 5 year old blood Bowl though, so that's pretty cool.
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>>44884156
You can't stop skaven or wood elves from scoring. Too much AG4 too much movement. The only option is to kill them.
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Daily reminder cages are fucking useless, play elves
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Ok, to get away from the daily reminder memes, I'm going to post a serious question:


Why do you play blood bowl?

For me, it's those crazy 5+ throws, when the shit hits the fan and you get desperate. Everything's gambled on one crazy play.
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>>44885535
Daily reminder to foul elves
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>>44885535
Daily reminder that Elves are useless, play dwarfs
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>>44885776

Can't escape.

Yea I like the crazy shit too, I like seeing the ways my teams end up developing when I get unexpected skill rolls.

More fundamentally, I like it when my grasp of positioning and setting up blocks turns the opposing team into a set of dominoes to topple.
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>>44886482

>>44886482

>>44886482

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